The Most Expensive Midi Controller On The Market! |Kawai VPC1 Review!|
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- The Kawai VPC1 is iconic...but it's also the most expensive Midi controller out there at $2400! today we will explore it in depth and see if it's worth it!
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Thank you for the review and everything but id rather support the local businesses in my community.
This controller is out of my price range, but I'm here for Mr. John Mike's playing!
Lol thanks! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Same here bro
@@Johnmike Word of advice if like me the VPC1 is out of your range: find yourself an MP9500 or MP8, they can be relatively "cheap", around 500.
The AWA Grand pro action (don't take the mp9000 though; it's not graded) is honestly very very close to what the newer actions can achieve, provided they require quite a bit of muscle power.
I used to play a lot on a Kawai KG3-C grand and the action of my MP9500 is surprisingly close even in that regard! I suspect they modeled their AWA Grand actions to mimic that range of their pianos, including the muscle power need that they're notorious for.
It's a blast of a keyboard for a fraction of the price. It was the cutting edge by far at the time and there hasn't been any revolutions in terms of actions since then.
The rest is down to using a solid VST. 99% of piano VSTs honestly can't deal with classical music, they crumble miserably at it.
For me, if a piano vst can't do classic then it's a no go, even if I don't intent on playing classical.
Garritan CFX is by far one of the best in that regard. Coupled with such a keyboard, it can do anything seriously, from pop music, to jazz to classical
Yes Sir 💜
We love the Kawai VPC1! It's our main keyboard for making film scores. We have the Art Deco Ravenworks Digital version from NAMM. Ravenscroft takes VPC1's and does a whole key job where they upgrade the felts, align and rebalance all the keys and really take the VPC1 even further if you can imagine! Feels as close to a real grand piano action as anything. Still can't beat it!
I'd be interested to know what controller you're using for modulation. For me, it's pretty inconvenient not having the pitch/modulation or any additional controls on the keyboard itself for scoring, not to mention that it is a beast of a midi controller, so where do you keep an additional controller, if any?
There’s plenty of surface area on the keyboards deck though if you wanted to put the fader controller on top
I got this board for $1,800 in 2020. Then the price went up to $2,100 in 2021. Recently it went up to $2,400. I think this is crazy considering other brand such as Yamaha P-515 still have the same price.
However, this keyboard quality is over the top than any other brand.
Don't forget, this keyboard is Stationary because it's Freaking Heavy. It needs 2 people to carry them around which is impossible for gigging alone unless you have assistance with you.
This is the Heaviest Midi controller on the planet right now.
so true
Agreed. I love mine, and it doesn't move from its permanent location. Feels better than almost all the acoustic pianos I used to play as a cocktail jazz guy in hotels.
That's weird, in Europe it's only €/$1200, at Thomann for example
Nonsense, the VPC1 is only 29.5kg. My MP8 is heavier at 32kg, and deeper and wider and I gig that every weekend easily, plus its 14kg metal flightcase too. Have carried it up flights of stairs many times.
Ikr. And it's heavy too for gigging. For Big guy, this beast is nothing. Imagine for a short skinny guy. Let alone a female.
That run on the EP VI was a nice trip back to the 70s. What a decade for music lovers! It also sounded like it feels! The nuances were all on point.
Thanks! 🙏🏾
Excellent playing👌 The VPC1 is in a league of its own. 10 years in the market , and still the best midi controller for acoustic grand VST . Those who want to have a midi controller to play synthesiser , look elsewhere as the keys are wooden made and the action mechanism replicates a grand piano action , so not adequate for the ultra light keys of synths . That’s why there is no mod wheel or aftertouch , this is just made to play piano . But if you are a classical pianist or a jazz pianist , there is nothing closer to the real thing and it always gets the best sound available on the market as it’s not depend on a sofware with modelling or sample data that becomes obsolete. It’s better to use it in studio rather than live , because VST’s add an additional risk for technical issues in concert , but in studio with top VST like Garritan CFX or VSL synchro this stuff is pure gold . Il not sure I would recommend to use Keyscape with it, given Keyscape doesn’t support soft pedal and sustenato pedals which are very useful for the target clientele of this keyboard .
Thank you
@@bealotcoolerifyoudid7217 you are welcome
Really enjoyed watching your video. I actually own one of these and had bought it when it was $1800. It’s crazy that they raised its price! But I would still say it’s worth it. I’ve done all my serious piano projects on it for over 5 years.
Great playing btw! 👏🏻
Thanks so much!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
I own one since July 2020 and is second to none. I grabbed it used for a mere 700€, including some nice VSTs, and it is worth EVERY €
I love my VPC1 with the Vienna Synchron Pianos, the Bose, Steinway, and the Yamaha. Big realistic piano samples.
Woah, which piano in Vienna Synchron is your favorite so far? And what characteristic it gives in your opinion?
Got my VPC1 two years ago. I wouldn’t replace it to anything else. This is my fourth midi controller. Using both Garritan and PianoTeq with it.
Yeah, I totally get it. I have a Kawai MP7SE and the action is wonderful, as well. I think I would thrown down & snag a VPC if they were to update it a bit. Add a mod wheel, expression pedal jack, and make the newer optical sensing 3 pedal unit compatible. For piano I've been using Galaxy Vintage D, and it sounds wonderful and mates up with my Kawai very nicely.
Thanks for the review...nice playing, btw.
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I went from the MP 9000 to VPC-1. Love it. I just use it for piano performance.
The MP11se uses same keybed, but guessing it’s more $.
The moment they add expression capabilities, someone will not understand, defeating the whole exercise of providing the best possible piano. For my consulting work, the lack of controls is literally the top feature. I didn’t know such piano-limited controllers even existed.
The VPC1 was the controller used at NAMM 2016 to demo the new Ravenscroft plugin software. The actual Ravenscroft Grand was also in the same area to do an A + B comparison. I could tell very little difference in sound and the touch of the VPC1 was nearly as velvety as the keys on the $300,000 Ravenscroft Grand. In 2016 the cost was only $1849. Now its $2399.!
We actually have that Ravenworks from NAMM, the one with the art deco paint job! Ravenscroft actually goes and fine tweaks the VPC1's and does a complete tuning of the action, rebalancing, upgrading the felts, and properly aligning all the keys. Incredible feeling controller, I think they still offer that service for the VPC1's
@@akiyamamusic wow! thanks for letting me know! Didnt realize they will go that far to fine tune this controller - good to know! I have the Ravens software and am using the KORG RH3 keybed that is on the Kronos as my controller. It is wonderful but Im sure this is much better!
@@lbamusic It's really spectacular, they pretty much do every process you'd do when setting up a concert grand piano's action
@@akiyamamusic ...thanks again..so good to know. Will definitely look into it...
@@lbamusic No problem! I've been meaning to do a review video of it on our channel but haven't gotten around to it yet lol then I saw John's video too
Thanks for the honest review, John Mike. "It just feels like you're playing like a Yamaha C7." This video obviously wasn't sponsored by Kawai! 😂😂
Right!!! 😂Eggsactly lol!
I also noticed this funny comparison) Thank you John Mike for the review!
Dope! I wonder how this feels compared to the Yamaha CP88. THAT board feels AMAZING, and it comes with sounds…
The longer keys and triple key sensors make it feel better.
Or the Yamaha KX88. That and Kurzweil's MIDIboard were state-of-the-art in the late 1980s. I recall there was one other that was built into its own road case that was also supposedly very good - was it a Fatar? Ray Charles used to use a KX88 on tour and he could use anything he wanted.
great playing! Your words at 5:55 --> all I needed to hear. Just went down and ordered one. Many thanks. Peace and love.
In 2005, to celebrate my 2nd season of a TV show I was working on, I bought a used, well-kept Roland A-80 from the '90s for $400. Perfect piano action (feels like a Yamaha C-7) plus pitch and mod wheels, a Roland-style joystick, and 4 faders. Biggest bonus: freakin' *polyphonic* aftertouch. It's a beast at 65 lbs, but that just makes it better for me-almost zero wobble when hammering away. Save your money and buy used.
I was considering this a few years ago but went with the CA49 which also can serve as a midi controller but has a few built in sounds. The keybed is newer than the action in the VPC-1 and I have to say it’s astoundingly good. It was 2399 a few years ago and I have never once regretted the purchase. Kawai’s top level actions are really in a class all their own.
Repaired a couple sticky keys on my Kawai MP11SE yesterday. Similar action to the VPC-1. A couple good DIY vids out there. Not difficult. Got 4 years before needing to do this; your mileage may vary. Love the touch of these controllers. Enjoy!
I have one, I love it. If you're a good player, then it's a worth the money.
I think you're totally right about that. Good players are the ones who will notice the difference, most.
I own since a couple of years - and I love it. The combination with Ivory 3 it is insane.
I think well worth it for a top class action. Would be nice to have heard how it handles technique such as rapid repeated notes, what it sounds like unplugged, closeups of the action etc.
It handles repeated notes extremely well, it’s got 3 sensors rather than the typical 2 sensors. One extra in the middle to let you re-trigger notes even before the key fully resets. I’ve got the Ravenworks modded VPC1 and it’s remarkable.
I love my Kawai CA99, and I can connect it to midi both wired and wireless and it has Bluetooth audio which allows me to stream devices into it. Of course, it is more than the VPCI, but It has incredible piano sounds, and the key bed is the best I ever had in a digital. It makes a great studio key set up....not portable though..lol . I have other boards for that.
First: here in Europe it costs half what John reports. Second: it arrives with a response curve designed for Pianoteq. This makes the thing extremely interesting for me. John, you are the right guy to test it, Pianoteq can be tested free (only little limitation), why not trying? Many piano fans report this couple to be number one simulation worldwide.
Only real drawback : it's very heavy, 30 kg., being all the keys in real wood, long and with complex mechanism, not the perfect thing for the live performer in a band (like myself)
I need to move to Europe! 😂😂…but yea it also comes with curves built in for a few other piano VSTs(Alicia keys and others) I’ll definitely be testing it out with some other piano VSTs soon!
@@Johnmike Don't do it now, John. We have some energy issues here now. Keep your job there...
@@furiobisotti8150 lol no problem I’ll wait it out lol
No 🧢 my homie Oli Silk (jazz pianist) just bought one he said he paid around 1300 for his…
@@howardbthyname713 yesterday’s prices are obviously not today’s prices…(in the USA anyway🤷🏾♂️😂) www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VPC1--kawai-vpc1-virtual-piano-controller
Yes!!! This is going to become my midi controller and first piano I've ever owned. Plus I'll purchase the Spitfire audio's orchestral film library....BBCSO ALBION COLLECTION and ABBEY ROAD Orchestra library!!
Thank you for this video
Dope
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For no sounds, no controls, no plugins and lil I/O $2400 is criminal!
1300 euros in europe.. not bad for what it is.
I don't have a problem with this existing- while I probably will never buy it its on the market for our consideration- take it or leave it. I bet this keyboard feels amazing, but my cheap Roland FP10 isn't far off the feel of my Yamaha CP60M, which is a real piano with 100% wooden keys. The bang for the buck is really amazing!
Well, first of all, major props on the playing. Always happy to see young people who still play, no offense to the beatbox crowd. They really are artists in their own right and do amazing work. But my heart gets warmed up whenever I see actual musicians who can actually play musical instruments.
I can't help wondering, for all the wonderful engineering and thought that went into this device, why Kawai chose to design this thing with a rounded top? I mean, it makes no sense at all. All that real estate, and you can't use it for anything. Can't put a laptop on top of it, or a second synth, etc. A truly bizarre choice, IMO.
I used to own a Korg M1, one of the first workstations and an enormous boat anchor of a keyboard. I routinely recruited a neighbor to help me move it. But the feel of the keybed was simply amazing, and Korg at least had the good sense to flatten out the top so I could easily set my synth or whatever right on top of the thing without needing a rack.
JM, I could listen to you play all day!
KeyScape is the best!!!! It's the one piece of software I use everyday to practice and experiment with sounds. I use it with my StudioLogic SL88 Grand MIDI controller that is real close to an acoustic piano feel but about $1000 less than the Kawai. I agree with you that real odd Kawai doesn't come with any piano sounds or discounts to buy a piano library.
Yup!! SL88 is one of my favorite feels!
Best for all the EPiano sounds, not the best for Piano by a long shot though.
Keyscape sucks if you want to play piano , no una corda support , no half pedalling , no sustenato . It’s excellent for Rhodes samples , but for grand piano , doesn’t do the job at all .
im just shopping around for a decent midi but man i cant stop listening to your playing. so expressive
Congrats ! Very nice playing . This stuff is a beast . The special edition made by Ravencroft was x2 that price . Sounds silly , but actually you need to spend a minimum 50 k on a grand to have similar pleasure.
My take on it :
1) Doesn’t need an update . Grand action piano has changed for nearly 200 years . When it works , don’t fix it . Same with VPC1 , as you rightly point out , there is no software, you just buying a realistic action
2) very often , you see people asking for mod wheels . I think marketing from various vendors have confused them . A grand piano action is not versatile at all , if you want play fast synth runs on it , you are going to be severely disappointed, it it made for control of dynamics which only exists in acoustic piano . Mod wheels and aftertouch are great for electronic music but have no purpose in piano
2) this stuff is sturdy as hell . I have used a lot of keyboards, there is simply no comparison. After 5 years of intensive use of 6+ hours per day , keybed is as new . It is just a tank !
Once again congrats for your playing mate 🎉
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Looking like my Roland MKB-1000 did what this does a decade earlier. The Roland feels amazing.
Yo. This is my board for life. It’s really a joy to play on.
I worked for a piano and organ dealership that sold Kawaii pianos. Kawai makes some pretty nice grand pianos. I wonder what grand piano series they based that action off of?
came for the clickbait... stayed for the chops... very beautiful playing, thank you
Lol thanks 🙏🏾
As i'm searching for a keyboard controller i've come across a few things such as features one may have over the other that are not mentioned during these unboxing videos. I notice some come with aftertouch;polyphonic or mono, zones or keyboard splits and pads that are configurable or being able to repeat a note with a repeat or a fill button. And then some are weighted, semi weighted or synth style. Just when you look at one unit that you like only to discover and in order to obtain some of these extra features you have to go a step up to the next level or purchase the top of the line model. I looked at the Nektar and Arturia models and this seems to be the case with these two brands. There are other brands with most of these features but you'll have to sacrifice aftertouch as most do not have this feature especially polyphonic aftertouch.
I love it when John Mike says "really really good". LOL. If I took a shot every time he said that, I'd be hammered after every video.
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Nice performance! You took me to church!
Yamaha KX88, the original and best
You rock man! Great playing and great reviews. God bless!
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Thanks for the review. Kawai pianos are amazing.
Hey Boss! Another valuable video! Thank You and Best Regards and Best Wishes!
I clicked on the video out of curiosity, and I stayed because the playing is just phenomenal. obviously you are an excellent player. sounds great man
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Definitely worth it for me. Nothing comes close to this for feel. Midi to my Nord Stage Compact and get the Nord piano sounds.
The most expensive ordinary piano MIDI controller I know of is the Lachnit MK23 for around 4300 EUR. And as the Kawai VPC1 is at around 1340 EUR in Europe, it's just the beginning of the upper range of realistic piano controllers. Including a triple pedal. I don't understand why you have to pay more than 2000 $ in the US.
Yea but thats not widely available…only can be bought from their website…can’t order it from any other online retailers…
The Yamaha MM8 serves as a great midi controller, the action on that board is just as good as the action on this board and it's less than a third of the price
MM8 was cool…this is miles ahead of any of those older Yamaha boards…
@@tylenolpringle2040 functionality yes…key feel and playability…Miles apart
@@Johnmike I quite liked the way the MM8 felt, that was one of the few Yamaha boards where they actually got the action right
@@tylenolpringle2040 definitely…I had an MM8 a long while back at a church I played at…I actually still have a KX8(same Keybed) still here in the studio…I love the feel of it…it’s still not beating this…but that doesn’t mean it’s not a good keyboard or Keybed…they are just apples and oranges honestly
@@Johnmike I played this board a couple months ago, the action on this board reminds me of the Roland HP series of home digital pianos, smooth like butter
I need 2 of these
2,400 USD? Here in Europe, it's a bit more than half of that including sales tax of 21% and at today's exchange rate that would actually cost about USD 1,172.00 excluding sales tax. So for that money I could go to a shop and get 2, or I could have an MP11SE sent to my home and keep some money - heavier, slightly better action and loads of digital instruments built in, with a better version of the three pedal unit (it relies on optical sensors rather than sliding potmeter contacts).
As someone else mentions Ravenscroft in the comments, this brand did a version of the VPC1 at a higher again price than you mention, where they took the VPC1 apart and completely overhauled the keys - "regulated" them to much more precise tolerances and this is a purely mechanical thing that would happen to the keys in a real grand too - to result in an even more perfect grand piano like feel. That version had been decorated in Ravenscroft decor but, internally electronically and mechanically completely standard still, could be sent to Kawai for repair in case of mishap.
As what we hear is attributable to your virtual instruments in the app behind the MIDI connection, wouldn't it be great if that app could do some of these next things with the pedal-MIDI signals: relay it to another app that turns the pages of your "sheet music" app. Or modulate pitch in your virtual instrument.
You generally, in the case of a piano, only use the right pedal with the right foot.
Hey John I know your channel is not about the melodies that you play but let me just say that if you would someday make a channel about piano lessons or tips for Jazz enthusiasts I would for sure suscribe to that. Your playing is beautiful, man!
in germany it costs 1350 € (Thomman), wich is like a 1000 € less than the price in USA, I can not understand that!
I believe we can find it in lower price by another sellers
Yup…but even at $1300 that still makes it more expensive than other midi boards on the market
absolutly right, thanx for the review, I was waiting for your review on it, and now I am totaly gonna buy it!
I live in germany by the way!
@@shcheat nice!!
1,339 € with Thomann. Anyway, when I had to chose my controller, I opted for the Yamaha CP4, and later on an Arturia Keylab II for synth key things and Apple Logic integration.
Doc, your loopcommunity tracks are already top self. That VPC1 just gone take em higher!
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That controller is like a piano without strings
Your playing has definitely gotten better bro! As for me, it’s a definite NO! No Plug-ins, No Software, Aftertouch, Mod/ Pitch Wheel!
Yea this is strictly made for piano only! But this is definitely the best feel of any Keybed out there…midi or hardware…
Love your videos, instant subscribed!
Can you tell me how is this action compared with Studiologic SL88Grand and Numa Piano X GT? I am trying to decide between getting this one or the others 2. I was an owner of PHA50 ROland FP90 but I didn't like the action.
I got my RD-2000 and it's got what I need when it comes to the studio. Haven't really been able to play a Kawai keyboard to compare action, but RD-2000 got the ivory and wood so I'm sure the two are very close.
RD2000 has wood veneer edge strips glued onto its hollow plastic action (similar to Fatar type key spring loaded counterweight mechanism). Hardly the same as Kawai straight keysticks made of solid wood in natural seesaw fulcrum movement. It's about dynamics vs weight and feel.
good review man!
It better feel great for that price 😂 I have the M-Audio Hammer 88 Pro which is plenty for me. It's the person behind the keys that determines whether or not it sounds good and you sound great bro!! 👌🏾
Lol…thanks bro! 🙏🏾
Yeah I have the maudio it's pretty good for the price.
Have you played the Nord Grand or the CP88? How does the keybed compare to those if you’ve played them?
I’ve played the Nord grand…it’s the same Keybed that’s in this one…they partnered
@@Johnmike ohh ok got it, thanks
@@Johnmike NO!
@@Johnmike no
it isn’t same
Nord Grand have plastic(cheapest) kawai keybed
next lvl is kawai wooden compact
and VPC have long keys(its the best kawai action) but not the newest
CA79/99 have the newest 😊
@@romichjordan Exactamente!!!
That key bed but in a Yamaha montage… that would be unaffordable awesome 😅
Yes, finally! You're reviewing my baby
When you asked "Is it worth that?", immediately without watching the rest of the video, I said NO.
There are other hammer-action controllers out there that come close enough and costway less.
I've played Kawai keyboards for decades. And they're fantastic.
Studiologic SL-88 - 499.95
M-Audio's 88 key Hammer Action - 499.00
Kurzweil KM88 - 599.00
Yamaha P-125 699.99
No chance I would give up 2400 dollars for this.
You could actually buy all 4 of the ones I listed for less.
M-Audio 88 is amazing! Definitely rate it up there with the best.
Yamaha makes good keyboard actions, but some of the others you listed there have actions made by Fatar which are TOTAL junk. Not in the same league in any way. Fatar actions get a viscous feel by slathering a ton of grease on the moving joints in the action. In not that much time, that grease migrates out of the joint, and the keyboard gets clattery. Also, cheap actions do not have predictable velocity response from key to key. You won't notice it if you play highly compressed patches, but if you try to play expressively with a patch that has a wide dynamic range, you will find it difficult to control. I've owned countless keyboards, and the VPC1 really stands out. I also like the Yamaha CP88 I recently got (great for live gigs, because of the light weight), but it doesn't have the "bump" that you feel on an acoustic piano action.
@@LeeBlaske but is the difference worth paying 2400 dollars? I've played all of them and its notbworth the money
@@johnsuggs7828 I'm a full-time orchestrator, composer, studio musician, and I'm using it all day, pretty much every day. It's worth it, to me. I did get an incredible deal on mine, though. It was listed as brand-new but freight damaged on eBay with broken keys. I got it for $200. The keys were not working because the shipping carton had been dropped on the front edge, so that the front rail was bent. I bought a replacement from Kawai for $80, and I had a new VPC1 for less than $300. I would have paid full price if that deal hadn't come along, though.
@@LeeBlaske Ok you can buy it then. I don't make any assertions about whether you should buy it or not. That's why I asked the question. If you think spending 2400 for it is worth it, good for you and go for it.
Keyboard don't make the music or the artist, it's the person that does that.
Dude your playing is beautiful.
Thanks!
Reminder to show us your live room
Soon! In the process of remodeling it!
There was a really nice looking electric piano dumped outside My apartment block, looked high quality, left in the pooring rain kind of tragic waste. I didn't have the space for it plus it might of been broken and why it was dumped.
Dang
talk about luxury item yiiiikes
Right lol
4:03 like playing a Kawai piano probably? I haven't got a chance to encounter this around here, but I have played Kawai pianos. I haven't checked the exact measurements but I feel they have deeper actions? Compared to Yamaha and Steinway, I feel like Kawai pianos tire me quicker. I'd probably get a YC88/CP88 instead
Only reason I said C7 is because I was playing keyscape which was a sampled C7…
@@Johnmike makes sense.
@@Johnmike deep action though?
You inspiring to play on my Korg D1 now... ☮🔥🎹
I’ll just have to be happy with my Roland A88. And my Kawai GM 10K which is a real piano and feels and sounds like a real piano.
How does this compare to the kawai novus5s? I’m currently using a Roland v piano and a Roland fp90x as a midi controller…. But I’m wondering if I can my midi more precise for recording for my piano UA-cam channel.. x😊
I really wish that I picked up the Ravenscroft VPC1 before the company went out of business.
Billy Joel plays a VCP1 (among other things) so it's probably a good choice for an actual pianist. Oh.... and I'm all about the Scarbee!
Looks super nice but I think I'll stick with my Arturia KeyStep 88 MKii...gets me close enough that I don't really notice a huge difference between that and a piano but gives me so much more in terms of options for control of other things I want to use it for.
My first thoughts was to pair this with keyscapes- takes the price up to basically 3k total lol but One day yeah I think this might be the best set up for feel and inspiration
I have the MP7 with Keyscape. It’s insane.
Better with good samples like VSL pianos and Production Samples, Keyscape piano samples are kinda outdated these days and dont stand up to the competition
The ultimate "i shouldve bought a nord."
One of these with a yamaha reface cp+amp 😂
It’s logical that this board feels great. Even the Mp10 felt great. kawai makes their on pianos. Even Nord teamed up with them on the Nord Grand. This a bit price your basically paying for the feel. But if you can make that money back or if it pays for its self then go for it.
and why not take any "normal" epiano with a great keybed (graded wooden hammer action) and use the midi funktion of it? ... what are the advatages?
What velocity curve do you use with Keyscape??? I have never been able to find the right feel with my VPC, amazing video!
Thanks! I used the Kawai MP one
I use an M-Audio Key61. About $200. Does the job.
$2400? Wow, pretty steep for a midi controller. As you were describing it, I figure this would be something that would be best for pianists. I think the MOD-X 8 is slightly cheaper than this.
It is quite steep, but I'm not sure if you are comparing the actual keybed action of this Kawai to the one available on the Yamaha MOD-X8 or just the price...
@@GrayGhostDog1 just the price.
@@MeekSpirit1 … cool. I haven’t had a workstation keyboard in years, but did consider a Yamaha MOD-X8 because I wanted an 88-keys and decent piano-like feel for practicing… changed my mind once I realized which action they are using on that board. As workstations might go, I think Roland’s Fantom 08 might have a better “piano-feel” action compared to the MOD-X or Korg Nautilus. This Kawai midi controller has actual wooden keys, let-off/escapement, and some type of adjustability… action seems similar to the Kawai MP11SE stage piano.
@@GrayGhostDog1 The roland fantom 08 uses Pha-4 action. It does have the escapement mechanism just like an acoustic piano. It does feel way better than the Yamaha
@@ispianist … thanks. That’s what I thought. I think the correct Yamaha workstation I was looking at was the new MODX+ 8, but noticed it was using the same keybed they have on a bunch of keyboards for quite a while.
I paid $1k for a demo model VPC-1. I refuse to sell it. Best midi keyboard for pianists.
I've been saying for a while that a keyboard with super quality keys and automated faders (maybe and non automated or be able to turn the automation off on the faders) wld be top dog, pads too maybe but you cld always add in some pads seperate.
Pretty much like a roland phantom w a UF8 and mpc on it!
I know beringer used to have a keyboard w motor faders but I was always hesitant about it and wld love to try one out...
Yup…I did a review on that a few years back! ua-cam.com/video/FN4bsXaUfFw/v-deo.html
This is totally sick bro!!! Way way out of my budget
Sounds great! Which piano library and interface did you use in the intro?
Ahhh I got excited and started typing cause you sounded so good. Yeah Keyscape and Scarbee. Thought so. Nice!
Wow can’t believe you still use scarbee Ep really sounds good
Scanner is the goat
I considered buying the casio gp-310 and turning off its sounds and using it as a midi controller. And it has speakers
I had one. 65lbs became too much for my needs. It is awesome though.
Yeah, it would be a struggle to haul around for live gigs, especially because you'd really want to get a solid flight case for it. This is definitely NOT a keyboard you'd want to carry around in a soft gig bag. The weight of it ensures that it would get damaged if dropped.
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Nice Job Man!!
Amazing keybed- but I just can’t understand why you wouldn’t just buy an Kawai MP11se? - amazing keybed PLUS actual controls and 1st rate built in piano sounds
In fact this is not the same use case . MP11 is essentially designed for live performances , whereby the VPC1 is a controller designed for studio works . Best piano software VST beat internal bank sound of any stage piano including the excellent MP11 by a long shot , but cannot really be used on stage , because of loading time between the patches if you change them . Moreover the VPC1 doesn’t require an update , as you replace your VST when a new product arrives on the market . One other advantage I found is that you can use any pedal you want with the VPC1, you just have to connect the pedal via a midi to usb converter , you cannot do that with the MP11 if u want to use internal piano sound . It should be a problem but it is as the triple pedal really s…ks on the MP11 . The Roland DP10 is the kind of sustain pedal you want for a piano of that price.
Last advantage is that you edit velocity for any key on the VPC1 , you cannot on the MP11 . So bottom line 2 different things , but believe me the VPC1 is a beast
Great review! It looks so tempting, but I wouldn’t buy any piano controller that didn’t have the two mod wheels on the left. It’s just too constricting for using with MIDI.
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But there is no mod wheel on a grand piano , and the VPC1 sole purpose is to play piano that’s why the action key is a replica of grand piano action . Who wants to play synthetiser with wooden keys and heavy action ?? If you want the best controler for piano there os nothing better than the VPC1 , if you want to play synth sound banks with wheels and aftertouch , a cheap midi plastic keyboard will work better .
VI Labs has some far better Grand and Upright piano samples.
the Ravinscroft and Fazioli truly blow away keyscapes ...
Look into them and the special mods that they can do to your VPC ...
You will be amazed ..
The chassis looks similar to the MP11SE, which has a great feel but sells for about $1K more. Wonder if it is the same action.
Specs do seem the same... very well could be.
The MP has longer keysticks, so a slightly upgraded action over the vpc1. Probably only a marginal improvement in terms of authentic piano feel.
@@robappleby583 Actually pretty significant, if you have a chance to compare them directly.
How does this compare to the grand feel action and rh3 action?
holy shit it's expensive in the US. In Europe it's only 1339 Euro. WTF?
My understanding (which could be wrong) is EU products are listed pre-VAT, which adds a fair amount to the final purchase price. And typically the EUR was stronger in price compared to USD, so the differences were much closer.
actually I was at Thomann a couple month ago (largest music store in Germany) looking for a master keyboard, and I could have taken this one home for just 1339 Euro no added tax or anything. I decided against it mainly because of its size, but it definitely had the most realistic keybed I have touched.
I know this wasn't about your playing, but you got really buttery at 4:45!! Slick.
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Somehow, I wasn’t aware of this controller. It is an excellent value for fixed venues in need of a truly usable piano, which would cost many times the price, and might not fit with the venue’s logistics. For backline providers, it would only take a week or so to recoup its cost by comparison to a physical piano with all its maintenance, tuning, moving costs.
I agree
@@Johnmike Certainly, I’m not referring to a concert hall. They just bear the cost and frankly, they should. But that’s 1% of the venues which NEED a piano full time, and for them this is a bargain.
I use piano virtual instruments routinely in record producing and some are spectacularly good, with realistic piano body resonance and very advanced capabilities. I would consider this in my consulting work for venues. A dedicated computer and powered speaker would afford a great sounding self-contained piano. And for those who need it, extending this capability is a simple matter of programming and wiring sound to the PA.
Great demo, John.
@@artysanmobile thanks!
2:36 very nice! 😅
Which other midi controller would have the same feel but for half the price?
Probably the Studiologic SL88 grand
Fire felt like I was in church
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Other than that … and one might as well get an actual random piano with Silent Piano features ….. but by then it wouldn’t be as portable … that cinttroller is maybe the best real piano action one cna get , that’s portable to carry by one person …
I have $100. Which MIDI keyboard should I buy in 2022?...just got complicated.
Depends on how many keys you are looking for
Gem Equinox pro 88 thank me later
@@johnb2044 Another keyboard that no one knew existed, haha