It is all logistics, and it's quite relevant. They did a similar video on the logistics in F1. In football (the non-american version) it's a way smaller problem, because of national leagues, and most countries, apart from the USA, have their population, and thus most of their teams, located close together.
The NFL should just play in London, Ontario and claim it's actually England. That'll cut down on travel time. Just CGI the background during panoramic shots.
@@pleasestop104 He mixed the two terms around. So it would normally be said: "American Football FIELD under it's grass Soccer PITCH." (Although it would never be called Soccer Pitch, since the rest of the world calls Soccer, Football) I imagine he did it that way not so much as a troll, but just because it sounded better that way, and to avoid saying field twice.
That would be interesting, because it involves the logistics to host, the logistics to prepare to host, and the logistics of the different NOC that compete
@Flight 32X panes solve a lot of logistical problems. I'm curious thought to see how these problems will look like if SpaceX delivers on it's promise of 40 minute to any destination using with their starship/BFR vehicle.
I played baseball at University of Hawaii, and let me tell you, that travel is hell. Would have been a lot easier if I was being paid like NFL players do though.
I think that it was a very interesting video. Logistics is a lot more important than people realize, whether it's in pro sports or the military. (There's some old saying that military amateurs study tactics while professionals study logistics.) It makes a lot of sense that travel issues are a major hassle for NFL teams, given that they play only 1 game a week, while other pro sports teams are playing from 3-4 games a week to sometimes 6-7 games a week. Also, lots of NFL players (i.e. linemen) are significantly larger than most players in other sports. I will say that NBA players can be "large", but their size is more about height than weight and girth. I'd imagine that the major issue for NBA players is leg room. Long term, it'd seem easier for NFL teams to just lease a plane from Boeing or whatever company buys and leases out planes. And then have those planes' interiors custom designed for the needs of NFL sized players, etc. IIRC, some teams in the NBA have done just this, since custom designed planes are a lot more comfortable for NBA sized guys.
It's all almost completely wrong. The patriots own their own planes. Most NFL teams actually own their own planes but call it chartering. Basically the owners of the teams all have their own private planes. The Teams just :rent" the planes from the owners and it's called a business expense. He's usually pretty good, but this is fucking all wrong and just so stupid.
Apples and oranges. F1 - like NASCAR and Indy Racing - stages their events in one place at a time; the NFL - like MLB, NBA and NHL - stages their events in more than a dozen places at a time.
@@tjcassidy2694 they still have drive their cars and a lot of equipment between races. There's plenty of videos explaining the logistics and it makes the NFLs problems look laughable in comparison.
TJ Cassidy while there is only one race at a time, F1 happens all over the world, sometimes with back-to-back races, racing at one place one weekend, and then another location, thousands of miles away the next week. So teams actually have multiple sets of basic equipment that they send on a complex dance choreograph all over the world. The more sensitive and upgradable equipments like cars will be sent back to the factory after each race, and then sent back out. Teams pack everything up the Sunday night after the race and have things back at the factory Monday or Tuesday. Then they have to shipped out Wednesday or Thursday for the Friday practice session. And then there are the last minute upgrade packages. Sometimes sent halfway around the world using overnight shipping. Also it doesnt matter if there are a million NFL games in a thousand different locations, each team is responsible for their own shit.
From this video I now know that a 6'6 250lb black guy from the US needs two seats for him and each of his team mates. I think we could have guessed this.
Personally id rather see an Hawaiian or Alaskan team before I see a English team. It could be a good proof of concept if the NFL can maintain a team in both or just one of those relatively isolated parts of the US. Plus seeing a team called the Honolulu Volcanoes or something would be really cool.
Alaska isnt possible. Waaaay to fucking cold and too little people. Hawaii on the other hand is legit. I dont know why they dont already have a team tbh.
Matthew Stinar maybe they should more often? Especially if the flight is only 34 minutes, the bus ride isnt that much longer. Its also way better for the environment
@@StratosTitan In that part of the country, driving is painfully slow and unpredictable. That's why they have bicycle messengers. Bicycles there are more predictable and often faster than driving. You would not want to be stuck on a bus in that traffic.
7:30 I have to question why so much equipment has to travel with the team, rather than league-wide supplies being stationed at each NFL stadium. Surely the players could travel only with their personal belongings and uniforms while the medical supplies, athletic tape, etc. and other general purpose supplies are located permanently at the destination.
They could be worried about sabotage, or shoddy gear. Bringing their own stuff means they can take full responsibility for what goes right or wrong in the game.
I think much of the items are still person-specific. Like helmets and padding and everything are often fit to the individual so it would be anything from a gamble to actually unsafe to just assume it would be there
It's common that the locker rooms and arena accommodations for the visitors is lesser quality than for the home team. I would assume any league-provided items would be the generic minimum.
It's all almost completely wrong. The patriots own their own planes. Most NFL teams actually own their own planes but call it chartering. Basically the owners of the teams all have their own private planes. The Teams just :rent" the planes from the owners and it's called a business expense. He's usually pretty good, but this is fucking all wrong and just so stupid.
@@pyrotechnic96 Most teams actually own their own planes. The Owners techinically own them then the teams use them and it's called a "business expense" on taxes. That way they save on taxes and wh
Komrade BigTex sucks not only does it own a day of the week, that’s the same day of the week previously (and currently depending on who you ask) owned by churches
@@HeadCannon19 I dont know man. F1 is more important for me to watch on Sunday. However, racing is usually very early for Americans so I can still watch the Pats when they play.
Ireland here, plenty of my friends are NFL and NBA fans and will stay up to 2 or 3am to watch games and the super bowl was televised in a few pubs here this year
Talking about that... A Renault trailer crashed on its way from Hockenheim to Budapest... and the race is next weekend. Wonder how they'll manage this, but surely for Wendover it'll involve some planes ;)
Super Rugby trans-continental format was killed by COVID. The Jaguares scaled back to only playing in a lower standard South American league (SLAR) and the Sunwolves folded completely, with Japan focusing on expanding their own domestic league. South Africa left too and joined in with European teams to form the United Rugby Championship. Trips are long, but the furthest distance is only around 6,300 miles (Glasgow to Durban).
@@Ivanmaradonaaa Any city outside the US has unique challenges for an NFL team. Do American players want to live there the majority of the time? Exchange rate for currency? Corporate and personal taxes and regulations in the host country, and how different are they from US law? Stuff like that. But like I said, MC's location makes it easier to deal with team logistics and travel than London.
@@peteg475 For more than 7 months. No NFL games is played. Live in the USA if you want. MC have nice beautiful neighbourhoods. Those NFL players will feel comfy. Personal and corporate taxes?? You do know that if you pay higher taxes in a foreign country, you can offset it by claiming credit. That means the net cost will be zero. Exchange rate? They will be paid in dollars. Also the pesos is stable. Not how it was in the 1990s.
As someone who's been a football fan for a long time, I haven't really considered this topic until now. Loved watching the video as I wait for the games to begin.
Other than hosting it, it’s very much a profitable venture for the rest of the teams. You travel there once and maybe do a few domestic trips dependent on where your next match is, and then go home. Only usually like below 50 people in total per nation too.
Anthony Fradley I was more thinking of the building of infrastructure and the money involved as it takes years to prepare for this month long tournament
the same amount as it would take to go from Washington to Philly..... I'll bet one of the NFL owners owns a Car Rental already so it would be no big deal. Or they could buy an Airline Company w/ Concession Stand money....... chump change for them to travel? peace
txmisin NFL does larger quantities of equipment than F1 though. I know when they play their overseas games it was something like 30 shipping containers per team. But I do think shipping equipment between many countries in such a short time span like in F1 would be very difficult too
@@MrZachgonz f1 brings whole mobile office buildings with them. Plus the 100s of people needed at the events and the logistical nightmare of setting everything up quickly once its in a new country
@@bert7109 the NFL has games internationally often, they've played games in japan, mexico, britian , and were supposed to have a seasonal game in china which apparently also has a growing interest in american football, of these countries the only one with its own american football league is japan which has the X league
Thanks for the informative video. It is a small point but I need to note that the number of players on the active roster of an NFL team is not 56. It is 53. Not all of them always travel to away games, though. The game day roster is 46, and the teams regularly leave at home players who need rehab on a minor injury (i.e. injury that does not land them on injured reserve).
Could make a Mexican or Canadan team we share a border with them and the travel between some of the teams would be almost as simple as playing division rivals. One problem is what division would they go to.
2:29 HIGHLY improbable actually. In the charter industry it is standard that you are not only paying for flight time, but also any ground time that requires pilots/crew/aircraft to sit and wait somewhere. As someone who works in the industry, I can tell you that ground pay rates are designed specifically to cover any cost of missing other flights.
Canada is a no-go zone for the NFL because of the Canadian Football League. I can imagine NFL teams being located in Mexico, but the political tensions between the US and Mexico might prevent that from ever happening.
Haha pretty much what I was thinking. He even led off with how wealthy the league is. It would cost a west coast team $1m to fly to London? They pay 95% of their players more than that per year. QB's are making over $30m per year. I think they can afford it.
historian: are you familiar with 19th century history? wendover: I thought anything before the 20th century is myth.. historian: why? wendover: there weren't any airplanes before the 20th century.
In short, it's hard to fly that many players (especially big guys), that much support staff and that much equipment - particularly if the team isn't near an airline hub. This is multiplied for London games, a risk of expansion there. A college football team in Hawaii, and some foreign leagues in other sports, show long distances on a regular basis are doable.
I went to one of the London games this year, it actually seemed to have a very European feel, a lot of the fans had come over from the continent especially Holland and Germany so I think it's more a European thing than just British
Hawaii also has an NCAA exemption allowing them to play 13 games a year. This allows them to have an extra home game to help pay for the extra travel costs they incur because of their location.
deadeye yeah! It’s a myth....it’s currently 70 degrees outside in the middle of January here in Pennsylvania but I’m sure it’s fine. Nothing to see here! Move along!
@@CyberNut930 Average temperatures are up less than 2 degrees on average. I doubt if it was 68.5 degrees you would call that all normal. A hot day doesn't prove global warming anymore than a cold day disproves it. Weather is not climate. Both sides need to stop cherrypicking.
@@juanramirezgonzalez2213 NFL has a lot more players to pay. So even though they make the most, instead of 10-13 guys a team they gave to pay 53. Also they have a real salary cap tip influence parity where other sports like MLB dont
Yeah what about guaranteed paid contracts the MLBPA has got those , and if girls want equal pay than maybe they can start showing up bkz we (GenY) went to and support say girls volleyball games religiously
I remember seeing some reality tv show from the UK and someone on the show had a bunch of SF 49ers stuff in his office. I had no idea there was an overseas NFL fan base until then. Wild.
@@philipkvamme1389 maybe it's easier to get to Foxboro from Providence? It's about the same amount of time (40min/30mi) from each there and Logan, so maybe traffic and the size of the airport plays a factor. I also am pretty sure sure the Jets usually bus to games that are that close, I've seen posts on social media of them getting on and off branded busses on their way to games. Unless they drive them separately or ship them as well which seems even more ridiculous.
Hawaii also has 85 scholarship players and 70 players on its travel roster rather than the NFL's 53 man rosters. And they manage that amount of travel on a minuscule fraction of an NFL team's budget.
I've been to see my beloved 49ers win both of their Wembley games but I would love to go and see a game at Spurs new ground even as a neutral fan. I grew up with 3 non American Football 🏈 fans.2 of them are Spurs fans and the other brother who has been intolerant and downright cheeky to me for liking American Football 🏈 instead of soccer,supports Chelsea. I'll take great delight in telling him that the NFL has helped Spurs to build their new stadium by giving them 💲20,000,000 the next time he's rude to me.
There is a similar example of this in a similar sport already. The English Rugby League added the Toronto Wolfpack to that countries' third division. What they did was Toronto would travel to England and stay there for about a month. They would come back and play a month at home with teams coming over from England. After the first two seasons the team was a win away from the first division. English League logistics though is different as there is no draft and salary cap. Many players that made the team were from Canada, United States, and Europe. Also Air Transat (a Canadian Airline) is the main airline that covers all the flying across the pond. I don't know if a British airline or American airline would do that kind of sponsorship. At the end it is very possible, if done right.
I would be in favor of this if the airline that sponsored the team was Spirit and all the players had to climb into their economy section of an A320neo. I've been stuck on their flights to South America with all the "big seats" in front sold out. Walking is a challenge for the first 12 hours after I land.
NFL makes too much money for anyone to give them anything for free. Also with the rugby arrangement you mentioned where Toronto goes away for a month the plane doesn't sit waiting for a full day and can resume service immediately after dropping the team off. Rugby teams carry less equipment which helps with the logistics and may not require a 767 an A321 or a 737 would be enough.
OMG I LOVE THIS SO MUCH! Thank you for the background information, and explaining this so well! Having been part a crew that LOADED up a NFL team's equipment- with K-Loader involved to handle the larger boxes, holy cats, is there a LOT of equipment :-) And, it's heavy. Weight and balance are all important details when flying, and the larger planes do the best, more space up top, and more space in the cargo pits. I can't wait to watch more of your videos
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The nfl would really need two teams to make it worth it, then any team could go over and play both before coming back. Sorta like in baseball when the giants and dodgers went out west
@@lollol-kz8vc You can put one in London (Wembley Stadium), one in Paris (Stade de France), one in Amsterdam (new venue needed), and one in Munich (Allianz Arena or Olympiastadion) and put these 4 teams in 1 division.
The Toronto Wolfpack played in the English RFL for 3 seasons playing home games in Toronto. It's been done. The team went under due to the pandemic. The league could easily buy a plane and fit it for teams to use for flying to London. The league is doing over $17bn in revenue. If they want to make it work, they will.
Wendover: The majority of this team's players would come from the US and would need to be persuaded, either monetarily *or otherwise* Me: stop scaring me
yes why not and get overfly rights for any country, ah wait this does not work like that....... ;) Iam sure Wendover explained once why that is (20BLN is a Joke in Airlines)
The NFL would need to add four teams and two at minimum in the UK. That would eat up some of that travel time. It would also allow teams to stay for 2-4 weeks reducing the travel burden.
They would also need to find the fans to watch the games. Outside of London that is probably impossible and too many games in London and the novelty of gridiron wears off.
@@Gambit771 You're right it might work better if they had teams in other euro countries like France and Germany, but they probably don't have the fans there either.
This has a very simple solution. You build a practice facility in an american city. base the team there for 8 weeks while they play their road games then ship them to London for their block of home games. you could go 4 away + 8 home + 4 away and you've limited it to two transatlantic flights per season, the same amount any team takes to play in London currently.
If you consider the travel time of other sports then it's not that bad really. Plus the UK has its own NFL league that's slowly growing with teams all over. We may not need any help from the NFL in the near future. Considering over four million fans actively watch the sport on TV here. It not hard to assume that these people would support a local team to.
@@cool-hf2pe What's with the negativity mate. NFL came from Rugby you know. Before you say. Yes I know the history of the NFL and half of those player at the start where rugby players who switched because the American sports committee wouldn't pay rugby players but would pay NFL players. Plus there are load of Americans playing both Ruby and football here. You even have English players in the NFL over there You have the MLS which is huge and right now is at a point where it can compete with some of the best leagues. Italy. Germany. France. One day you could be as high as the Premier league. The biggest in world sport. If I was American I'd be positive about what the future will/may hold not negative.
Came here to say this. I know literally no-one in my friends, family, or workplace that care even a little about american football. There was a small society of supporters at my university, but there it was dwarfed by the society for Quiddich, so that's not saying much. It's the definition of niche here.
yep apparently more people are following the game than any other sport in the UK except football. they must all be hiding it very well as I am yet to meet a single person that even knows that the game is played hear. but that's the NFL for you they don't let the facts get in the way of marketing mate.
@@these_handles_are_stupidep and that's why I'v had a pop at them not him mate. his stuff is very good and I love his vids. but the guy is relying one the people he gets his info for being both truthful and correct. the idea that one in five of the UK population is a fan of the NFL is something they keep trying to get out there and is bull. the british sports council estimates the numbers at about 30,000 with an interest and maybe as low as 3,000 true fans. but none of that is wendovers problem and being given false info to work with is also not down to him. why would he not believe the NFL numbers. they are correct for the USA fans after all.
After watching the video. I believe that is the NFL optimistic projections for popularity within the United Kingdom markets. So it may not be 20% yet just what they believe that they can get into the marketplace. Also I was very surprised by just 57% of Americans. I do not watch football but that is allot more people that do not watch football than I would have ever imagined. I thought like 90% of people watch football here in the United States. I figured that I was about the only person who did not 😂😂😂
I so badly hope it doesn’t happen… I think it’s a cool idea on paper to have a team in London, but given no one would want to play there, it would probably be absolutely terrible year Im and year out…. If Canada didn’t have the CFL I’d say Toronto would make a heck of a lot more sense for international expansion. I think Mexico City makes more sense given it is a similar time zone and much closer. I would be very curious as to how the logistics would work for that and how football has been received down there. Great video!
MLB has a Toronto team and used to have another Canadian team (Montreal Expos) and there don't seem to be any issues! Canada makes perfect sense as an expansion, if you can convince them to care about football.
To anyone wondering why the NFL makes more money than the Premier League, I can say why 90 % of the time there's an ad I really don't understand why people watch it.
NFL has bigger stadiums too and I’d imagine lack of relegation and the draft among other fairness tools in the nfl mean you have a lot more teams bringing in large revenues and attracting large fan bases. In the PL the big six (heck probably just arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool alone given their huge international fanbases) bring in the same amount of money as the bottom 10 clubs combined.
The US is the home of capitalism and the NFL is based in America, it's not rocket science to imagine that the sport will be marketed all to hell with profit being the main motivator in all matters (I mean they call each team a franchise, ffs), sadly this disease of money over matter is spreading to Europe now as Stadiums start getting named "Frankie's Quality Goods Emporium" and moronic shit like that. Soon you won't be able to get into an EPL match unless you're wearing the new strip complete with giant foam glove and beer-drinking cap.
It's also because european teams aren't profit maximizers but success maximizers, so they spend a lot more so they don't get relegated, get promoted, etc.
Absolutely "NO" to having an NFL team in London. The current arrangement with international games in London is ideal. Today, neither team playing in London would have a jetlag advantage while a London based team would be fresh with no jet lag. Los Angeles and Las Vegas proved you can have fans in cities with no teams. The logistic problem is much easier for LA and LV vs London.
Did it prove that, though? Because teams are now moving (or have moved) to those cities. So obviously they feel they need to have a physical presence in these places. In a lot of parts of the US, college football is more dominant than the NFL. I think there are *football* fans in places without NFL teams, but are there NFL fans (willing to pay outrageous prices to see games every weekend) in places without NFL teams?
Hey! Video is great, same as pretty much all the content you post! Just wanted to point out that you mentioned Providence, Rhode Island twice as the home of the New England Patriots, when in reality they play in Foxborough, Massachussets. Keep up with the great, great work! Best, Luciano.
I highly doubt 1/5 people in the uk are interested in the nfl. The market is much smaller. However, if the money is good our best Rugby talents can be convinced to switch over.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody I know from the UK cares at all about American football (I'm American and I don't care either, but that's irrelevant). I wonder if people like the novelty of it now, but would drop off if a regular team was founded. I could see huge crowds showing up four times a year if a UK soccer team played here, but would people show up if an American city got a Premier League team for example?
@@RJT80 Because I live in the UK and I understand the culture. The closest thing we have to American Football is Rugby, and that's the 2nd most popular sport, and half of those "fans" only watch the international games as an act of patriotism. Otherwise they couldn't care less about the club games which is where the players earn their living. Opposite is true with football/soccer. But if you asked those fans to give up their weekends of watching either of those sports to watch NFL games, travel to the other side of the world to support their team every away game. They will laugh at you. Plus there are too many breaks (american) football which is offputting for the UK audience because we hate ads and we want free-flowing sports. Just because 13m people watched the Superbowl final, doesn't mean they would all support an NFL team based in London.
Yeah, it's the NFL puffing up their numbers. I'd imagine 20m is about the number of people who know what the NFL is. Breaking into the UK market seems like a bit of a fool's errand for the NFL. The UK already has pretty much all of its time taken up with football, rugby, and cricket, all of which are home-grown. I think there would be a pretty strong resistance to a widespread embrace of a sport that is so incredibly American as anything more than a novelty. There's already plenty of annoyance at Americans calling it "football" and at the sport for being a much more padded up and slower version of rugby.
@@James-gm9cs I agree that the amount of breaks and ads is offputting with most American sports. I tend to only watch them at the business end of the season and even then I record them and watch them later on so I can skip all the ads and breaks in play. The only time I actually watch live is the Super Bowl as I don't want the result to be spoiled. I also find the 13m viewership questionable, I could see this being a Europe wide viewing figure but 13m in the UK alone seems like a very high number to me.
Please my *checks notes* $16bn in 2019 sports league, it is very sick. Only dropped to $12bn in 2020, probably at that point an advantage that they’re US based. I imagine F1 got fucked.
As mentioned, jet lag is a big factor. I witness this a lot in the Super Rugby league, where the travelling teams fatigue by the 3rd quarter. Another problem for leagues, located between time zones longer than 8 hours, is that the audience watches a lot of the live nights games in the early mornings where they stay.
tbh, as a music fan, I was intrigued by the mix between Sweet Victory and Sicko Mode, be happy it was there... right now you need to be mad about Nickelodeon making Spongebob spinoffs, something Hillenburg never wanted to have
Title: *"Logistics of NFL"*
Content: *10% NFL, 90% airplane*
*BECAUSE WENDOVER*
*Perfectly balanced, like all things should be.*
It is all logistics, and it's quite relevant. They did a similar video on the logistics in F1. In football (the non-american version) it's a way smaller problem, because of national leagues, and most countries, apart from the USA, have their population, and thus most of their teams, located close together.
Jesus you weren't kidding
Jacko Dees ya ruined it, immediately
That's also why two close-by teams have the biggest rivalries. Home or away, the most fans can participate.
Me: "Hey Wendover, NFL video?"
Wendover: "Airplane Video."
The "Nope, it's a Tide ad" of Wendover Productions videos.
I don’t mind them at all
The NFL should just play in London, Ontario and claim it's actually England. That'll cut down on travel time. Just CGI the background during panoramic shots.
Clever but I'm not sure if Canadians really like football. They seem to like hockey and maple trees more.
@@robertandrews6915 There is a Canadian Football League (CFL) for what it's worth. lol
@@robertandrews6915 a lot of people here actually like football
Canadian here that plays football. We like it but hockey’s better
The CFL at least used to be very popular here.
Sam, I'm really becoming worried about this airplane obsession. I think it's time for an intervention.
How about you engineer yourself a door to show yourself out of.
@@Wendoverproductions bruh
@@Wendoverproductions how about I engineer a hand to slap your butt? How about that!?
Dayum
Why don’t you both go to WENDOVER, Utah which is HALF AS INTERESTING as California to ENGINEER a solution with the LORE of REAL LIFE.
Me: Oh Nice a NFL video
Wendover: Flying, 767, Chartered planes, American airlines...
Me: Almost ignores video because thumbnail has "NFL" in it. Then, sees that it's from Wendover - can't click fast enough.
Lucas Henveaux we get it. He talks about airplanes. Thanks for pointing that out.
"A permanent synthetic American Football *pitch* under its grass soccer *field* "
Good god man, are you trying to incite a riot or what?
I'm amazed he chose this channel to do the troll instead of Half As Interesting.
Like #400
I’m really fuckin dumb, can someone dumb it down for me?
@@pleasestop104 He mixed the two terms around. So it would normally be said: "American Football FIELD under it's grass Soccer PITCH." (Although it would never be called Soccer Pitch, since the rest of the world calls Soccer, Football) I imagine he did it that way not so much as a troll, but just because it sounded better that way, and to avoid saying field twice.
LPcrazy88 oh thanks!
Logistics of huge tournaments like world cup and Olympics will be interesting to watch
Some cities repurpose buildings, others build new ones. Would love to see how they consider sites and logistics for those too.
That would be interesting, because it involves the logistics to host, the logistics to prepare to host, and the logistics of the different NOC that compete
You mean the logistics of burning billions of dollars
Yes. I second this.
@@roadrunner6224 lol exactly
0:00 - “Ahh nice a video about the nfl”
1:06 - “Nevermind it’s planes again”
@Flight 32X No. It's just ALWAYS about fucking airplanes
KENSHIRO that’s good
@Flight 32X panes solve a lot of logistical problems.
I'm curious thought to see how these problems will look like if SpaceX delivers on it's promise of 40 minute to any destination using with their starship/BFR vehicle.
Flight 32X It was just a joke fam
@Flight 32X Planes are like Superman in comics. Superman is strong, he punches the guy. no more problem.
I played baseball at University of Hawaii, and let me tell you, that travel is hell. Would have been a lot easier if I was being paid like NFL players do though.
how was your experience
Only Wendover can talk about football and bring up aeroplanes
Zac i saw your original comment “are there any planes in this video” 😂
Zac me
That’s why he’s the best
Title says logistics of . . .
I was hoping that you would clarify by saying ‘American’ Football, not just football...
Wendover: Makes a Video about the NFL
No One:
Wendover: Okay and this is how it relates to planes
so underrated
It litterally says the logistics problem of NFL, nothing more or less. Hmm, what will it be about?
These NFL teams really need to cash in on their frequent-flyer miles, imagine all the reward they could get.
They probably get none in their contract
@@tomlxyz bc
Only Wendover can make an NFL video 90% about planes.
@The Bad Ass
Corolla: exists
Real Life Lore: is this a new measurement unity?
its so trrue tho
I think that it was a very interesting video. Logistics is a lot more important than people realize, whether it's in pro sports or the military. (There's some old saying that military amateurs study tactics while professionals study logistics.)
It makes a lot of sense that travel issues are a major hassle for NFL teams, given that they play only 1 game a week, while other pro sports teams are playing from 3-4 games a week to sometimes 6-7 games a week. Also, lots of NFL players (i.e. linemen) are significantly larger than most players in other sports. I will say that NBA players can be "large", but their size is more about height than weight and girth. I'd imagine that the major issue for NBA players is leg room.
Long term, it'd seem easier for NFL teams to just lease a plane from Boeing or whatever company buys and leases out planes. And then have those planes' interiors custom designed for the needs of NFL sized players, etc. IIRC, some teams in the NBA have done just this, since custom designed planes are a lot more comfortable for NBA sized guys.
He combined the two aspects of my personality - Obsession with the NFL and obsession with airplanes
It's all almost completely wrong. The patriots own their own planes. Most NFL teams actually own their own planes but call it chartering. Basically the owners of the teams all have their own private planes. The Teams just :rent" the planes from the owners and it's called a business expense.
He's usually pretty good, but this is fucking all wrong and just so stupid.
New video: Wendovers logistics problem of finding new airplane related topics
Mika de Grote we get it. He talks about airplanes. Thanks for pointing that out.
This joke is so lame. It’s not funny anymore dude.
WillTheProdigy these people set an alarm to make the same joke as soon as he uploads lol
@@willtheprodigy3819 I found it a funny spin on an admittedly old joke.
0:00 ooh a football video, exciting
3:50 God dammit its just planes again
Lol
this comment is gold
Me: 0:00 sad a american football video, it'll probs involve plands tho
3:50 yay planes
NFL: We have a logistic problem
F1: hold my Heineken
I was thinking this for the entire video😂
Seriously! The F1 video boggled my mind!!!! Gave me a new found appreciation for F1!
Apples and oranges. F1 - like NASCAR and Indy Racing - stages their events in one place at a time; the NFL - like MLB, NBA and NHL - stages their events in more than a dozen places at a time.
@@tjcassidy2694 they still have drive their cars and a lot of equipment between races. There's plenty of videos explaining the logistics and it makes the NFLs problems look laughable in comparison.
TJ Cassidy while there is only one race at a time, F1 happens all over the world, sometimes with back-to-back races, racing at one place one weekend, and then another location, thousands of miles away the next week.
So teams actually have multiple sets of basic equipment that they send on a complex dance choreograph all over the world.
The more sensitive and upgradable equipments like cars will be sent back to the factory after each race, and then sent back out. Teams pack everything up the Sunday night after the race and have things back at the factory Monday or Tuesday. Then they have to shipped out Wednesday or Thursday for the Friday practice session.
And then there are the last minute upgrade packages. Sometimes sent halfway around the world using overnight shipping.
Also it doesnt matter if there are a million NFL games in a thousand different locations, each team is responsible for their own shit.
But seriously, your videos are some of the best quality on UA-cam, they are like mini documentaries, keep up the great work!
I'd hear him talk about anything.
Yeah, if you're into airplanes lol
TheSnufking which I am
Not really. They are interesting, but frequently have misinformation or completely miss important facts or background.
Of course the Patriots just bought some planes.
EanMac the tail has a decal of every Lombardi trophy they’ve won... it’s majestic
The plane is called AirKraft
😂😂
Planegate
That’s what happens when you have the best owner in the league.
Planes: *exists*
Wendover: Write that down! write that down!
I am deceased
@@BookofProverbs Oh dear. We're sending an emergency response right away!
Anything: exists
Wendover productions:
*Zippity Zane*
*This is now about p l a n e s*
562 likes and only 2 comments? Bruh
747 likes
Coincidence .?Prolly not
touche
From this video I now know that a 6'6 250lb black guy from the US needs two seats for him and each of his team mates. I think we could have guessed this.
Personally id rather see an Hawaiian or Alaskan team before I see a English team. It could be a good proof of concept if the NFL can maintain a team in both or just one of those relatively isolated parts of the US. Plus seeing a team called the Honolulu Volcanoes or something would be really cool.
Alaska isnt possible. Waaaay to fucking cold and too little people. Hawaii on the other hand is legit. I dont know why they dont already have a team tbh.
@@ChefofWar33 Cold can be solved with indoor stadium, but there aren't enough people to support a football team in Alaska.
@@ChefofWar33 Then explain Green Bay 😂 😂
@@matthewwelsh294 You dont understand real cold. Green Bay feels like Tampa Bay compared to Alaska in the late fall.
@@ChefofWar33 Anchorage is not in the Arctic 😂 😂
10:53 "London" *Puts marker on Leicester*
Matthew McColl Same thing with Ann Arbor and Detroit
Lol
Lol could you imagine a London vs. Patriots game...I can already hear the fans cheering, "the Redcoats are coming, the Redcoats are coming!"
THE BRITISH ARE COMING! THE BRITISH ARE COMING!
I think that was a Family Guy episode years back...
The Patriots played games in London in 2009 and 2012
@@golfprocory but they didn't play against a London team.
Hell, the Redcoats would be a great name for a London team in the NFL.
LA Rams should have taken that skillshare course on team logo design.
So true. How could they screw up a logo that much?
Ouch!
And their unis in general are vomitous.
@@dvhughesdesign I like the blue ones
me: this is about NFL teams, there’s no way that there can be airplanes in this!
Wendover: hold my aircraft
Maybe you thought NFL teams traveled on busses?
Matthew Stinar maybe they should more often? Especially if the flight is only 34 minutes, the bus ride isnt that much longer. Its also way better for the environment
@@StratosTitan In that part of the country, driving is painfully slow and unpredictable. That's why they have bicycle messengers. Bicycles there are more predictable and often faster than driving. You would not want to be stuck on a bus in that traffic.
hold my 737 because it will stall and fall
As a huge NFL fan, with interests in aviation and economics, this may be my favorite video of all time.
If only he mentioned the mid flight wrestling
Then it would just be perfect.
7:30 I have to question why so much equipment has to travel with the team, rather than league-wide supplies being stationed at each NFL stadium. Surely the players could travel only with their personal belongings and uniforms while the medical supplies, athletic tape, etc. and other general purpose supplies are located permanently at the destination.
They could be worried about sabotage, or shoddy gear. Bringing their own stuff means they can take full responsibility for what goes right or wrong in the game.
I think much of the items are still person-specific. Like helmets and padding and everything are often fit to the individual so it would be anything from a gamble to actually unsafe to just assume it would be there
Cowboys once carried their own sideline benches to Washington because the benches' heaters in Washington didn't work. Plus, it was a winter night game
It's common that the locker rooms and arena accommodations for the visitors is lesser quality than for the home team. I would assume any league-provided items would be the generic minimum.
This man is probably the only person on Earth that likes the movie Planes better than Cars.
The Great CooLite Planes is not that bad. There are worse animated movies out there like the Angry Birds movie, Norm of the North, and Minions.
i feel attacked
The Great CooLite well I guess there’s at least two of us.
Angry Birds was great (partially because the first half of the movie was an allegory to the Euro Immigration crisis)
Planes, Trains and Automobiles
Watch this instead ^
1:07
Wendover: alright enough about that stuff, PLANE TIME
It's all almost completely wrong. The patriots own their own planes. Most NFL teams actually own their own planes but call it chartering. Basically the owners of the teams all have their own private planes. The Teams just :rent" the planes from the owners and it's called a business expense.
He's usually pretty good, but this is fucking all wrong and just so stupid.
@@AF-sb3jk He literally mentioned that the pats own their own planes
@@pyrotechnic96 Most teams actually own their own planes. The Owners techinically own them then the teams use them and it's called a "business expense" on taxes. That way they save on taxes and wh
The NFL essentially owns a day of the week. Its big.
Komrade BigTex sucks not only does it own a day of the week, that’s the same day of the week previously (and currently depending on who you ask) owned by churches
@@HeadCannon19 I dont know man. F1 is more important for me to watch on Sunday. However, racing is usually very early for Americans so I can still watch the Pats when they play.
thanks sherlock
Bryce Peters lmao way more Americans tune into NFL games than racing it’s not even close
Jack Wyatt when did he say they didnt
I'm a Brit and I had no idea the NFL was popular in the UK.
I had no idea it was popular at all but I think it would be good if there was a British team, i mean why not
Tom Golden what’s an americaphile
I’m an American and I only recently realized there were a number of die hard Premier League fans in the US
Ireland here, plenty of my friends are NFL and NBA fans and will stay up to 2 or 3am to watch games and the super bowl was televised in a few pubs here this year
I don't think they should put a team in the UK. Its stupud and there's no fan base
The logistics for Formula 1 racing is far more daunting.
Talking about that... A Renault trailer crashed on its way from Hockenheim to Budapest... and the race is next weekend. Wonder how they'll manage this, but surely for Wendover it'll involve some planes ;)
@@angelrobles7201 It doesn't matter Renault is gonna DNF from the race anyway
Angel Robles the trucks normally carry pit equipment not the cars
So they may lack a few tables but they will race
@@mohameda.4851 The truck crashed as an empathy movement towards the drivers
@@guanweihe7614 Yeah, but that shows how the logistics can be thrown to the bin with an accident
Super Rugby trans-continental format was killed by COVID. The Jaguares scaled back to only playing in a lower standard South American league (SLAR) and the Sunwolves folded completely, with Japan focusing on expanding their own domestic league.
South Africa left too and joined in with European teams to form the United Rugby Championship. Trips are long, but the furthest distance is only around 6,300 miles (Glasgow to Durban).
Me seeing the thumbnail:
"Wow, a Wendover video that isn't about airplanes"
Me, literally a minute and a half later:
"Well shit"
PiaNoONE well to be fair it’s about logistics
Jonh Hughes:Planes, Trains and Automobiles
Wendover Productions: Planes, Planes and Planes
**Planes, Planes and Planeomobiles
Roster is 53 but only 45 dress for a game
No idea where this jabroni got 56 from
Remember it doesn’t matter to Sam, only the planes matter
58 including practice squad
@@trharrington22 53 man roster. 10 on the practice squad.
wezleey25 practice squad doesn’t travel with team
A Mexico City team would work based on location in proximity to other teams. Not counting MC's other issues.
Pete G imagine how the fan base would be 😳
It would under your terms but from a marketing perspective it makes little sense
Do you think Mexico City has more issues than NO or Detroit or LA for that matter?
@@Ivanmaradonaaa Any city outside the US has unique challenges for an NFL team. Do American players want to live there the majority of the time? Exchange rate for currency? Corporate and personal taxes and regulations in the host country, and how different are they from US law? Stuff like that. But like I said, MC's location makes it easier to deal with team logistics and travel than London.
@@peteg475 For more than 7 months. No NFL games is played. Live in the USA if you want. MC have nice beautiful neighbourhoods. Those NFL players will feel comfy. Personal and corporate taxes?? You do know that if you pay higher taxes in a foreign country, you can offset it by claiming credit. That means the net cost will be zero. Exchange rate? They will be paid in dollars. Also the pesos is stable. Not how it was in the 1990s.
First time I've ever heard the phrase "American Football Pitch."
Its a football field not a pitch
@@dubstepphene82 I think Wendover was joking around
@@de132 What? Wendover? Joking? Surely not!
@Not Bugarev Pitch also means a field. So he is not wrong. In World football, we say football field as football pitch.
Wendover lives in the UK, where they're called pitches, not fields - so that's why he called them that.
As someone who's been a football fan for a long time, I haven't really considered this topic until now. Loved watching the video as I wait for the games to begin.
Logistics or economics of the fifa World Cup ?? Could you make a video on it
CSPS it’s fairly simple give it to a tiny oil state and turn a blind eye to their moral crimes and they’ll pay for everything
Other than hosting it, it’s very much a profitable venture for the rest of the teams. You travel there once and maybe do a few domestic trips dependent on where your next match is, and then go home. Only usually like below 50 people in total per nation too.
Jacob Finlay I know I hate corrupt fifa and qatar really wish it was hosted in England or Spain and portugal
Anthony Fradley I was more thinking of the building of infrastructure and the money involved as it takes years to prepare for this month long tournament
@@c.t.i.d2204 It had to be in Asia tho since FIFA rotates host continents. I would have liked to see it in China
How many toyota Corollas would it take to transport an NFL team from East coast to west coast ?
*OH WAIT WRONG CHANNEL* 😳😨
thats implying a player can fit in a corolla
the same amount as it would take to go from Washington to Philly.....
I'll bet one of the NFL owners owns a Car Rental already so it would
be no big deal. Or they could buy an Airline Company w/ Concession
Stand money....... chump change for them to travel? peace
NFL: having a team overseas is a big logistics issue for us!
F1 teams: *LAUGHS IN F1 CAR*
In F1 it’s a lot easier because they have DHL
@@treecrab8192 you kidding lol
@@treecrab8192 transporting cars, computers and engines is easier than transporting helmets.
txmisin NFL does larger quantities of equipment than F1 though. I know when they play their overseas games it was something like 30 shipping containers per team. But I do think shipping equipment between many countries in such a short time span like in F1 would be very difficult too
@@MrZachgonz f1 brings whole mobile office buildings with them. Plus the 100s of people needed at the events and the logistical nightmare of setting everything up quickly once its in a new country
NFL: "We cant travel across the world in a reasonable amount of hours"
SpaceX: "Hold my season tickets."
NFL is only in USA so they technically can't travel the world
@@bert7109 the NFL has games internationally often, they've played games in japan, mexico, britian , and were supposed to have a seasonal game in china which apparently also has a growing interest in american football, of these countries the only one with its own american football league is japan which has the X league
@@bert7109 did you even watch the video
english people love saying "Jaeg-you-ahhre"
thats why Jacksonville is always in London
@@Caraxian I watched like half of it
When he mentions your favorite team, but only to mention that it's not as wealthy as the others...
Lions 😢
Only time the Lions get mentioned smh
Not a bad thing though. Underdogs for life!
Surprised he didn't even mention the Packers, since the local airport is probably not even big enough for some of these planes
Theres revenue sharing, unlike in MLB and most other pro leagues worldwide. So no team is really hurting.
Thanks for the informative video. It is a small point but I need to note that the number of players on the active roster of an NFL team is not 56. It is 53. Not all of them always travel to away games, though. The game day roster is 46, and the teams regularly leave at home players who need rehab on a minor injury (i.e. injury that does not land them on injured reserve).
London and Honolulu should get NFL teams at the same time. Double the logistical problems, but hey, both new teams rock the Union Jack.
Could make a Mexican or Canadan team we share a border with them and the travel between some of the teams would be almost as simple as playing division rivals. One problem is what division would they go to.
London shouldn't get a team because just like the NHL and Canadian teams, it wouldn't be National anymore
would a game between the london and honolulu teams mean flying the other way around the world?
@@derektheseahawkslightningf2932 the nhl was never national though, the original 6 came from vogue the us and Canada
HW would need a stadium first. Aloha Stadium is a mess!
2:29 HIGHLY improbable actually. In the charter industry it is standard that you are not only paying for flight time, but also any ground time that requires pilots/crew/aircraft to sit and wait somewhere. As someone who works in the industry, I can tell you that ground pay rates are designed specifically to cover any cost of missing other flights.
That's what I was thinking. There's no way in hell they're just gonna eat that cost, when they could be charging other passengers for flights.
Ok ya jackass logistics SNOB!!
I don’t mind the idea of the NFL expanding outside the US.
But crossing the Atlantic is ridiculous.
Let’s look to Canada and Mexico.
That makes sense but Europe already has a very big fan base for football games
Canada is a no-go zone for the NFL because of the Canadian Football League. I can imagine NFL teams being located in Mexico, but the political tensions between the US and Mexico might prevent that from ever happening.
Tyler Larsen
Which is a shame.
There once was a nfl league in Europe.
Jack Greene
Yes, but NFL Europe never crossed the Atlantic weekly for games, either.
NFL team based in a foreign city:
You think: Logically, Mexico City and Toronto! Maybe somewhere in the Caribbean?
You get: London :|
d0su Mexico is a perfect market for football team since Mexicans lOovve American football
send the raiders to mexico city the nfl will double its profits!
@@MrBearcatjew haha their Vegas stadium is not even complete and you want them to be moved to Mexico?
@@giths19 Nobody besided Nevada wanted the Raiders to LV
Why not one in Puerto Rico?
Oh, no! An NFL team has to shell out another million dollars! NFL Owner: "Ms. Smith, the petty cash box, please."
Haha pretty much what I was thinking. He even led off with how wealthy the league is. It would cost a west coast team $1m to fly to London? They pay 95% of their players more than that per year. QB's are making over $30m per year. I think they can afford it.
They should just make another US based team instead and call it The Greenland Sasquatches
Sam, I'm really becoming worried about this airplane obsession. I think it's time for an intervention.
historian: are you familiar with 19th century history?
wendover: I thought anything before the 20th century is myth..
historian: why?
wendover: there weren't any airplanes before the 20th century.
I talked about this in my sports management class and got laid. Thanks
Bronguero Rao lol
Lmao
@@MacMyKitty Riverplate better ok
Bronguero Rao your teacher must have really like it.
Laid by a plane
In short, it's hard to fly that many players (especially big guys), that much support staff and that much equipment - particularly if the team isn't near an airline hub. This is multiplied for London games, a risk of expansion there. A college football team in Hawaii, and some foreign leagues in other sports, show long distances on a regular basis are doable.
I went to one of the London games this year, it actually seemed to have a very European feel, a lot of the fans had come over from the continent especially Holland and Germany so I think it's more a European thing than just British
No One:
Wendover Productions: Everything must have a logistics problem
Wendover: Everything must include planes
Everything does to some degree.
Me: Wow a non airplane related video from WP
1 minute later: Airplane logistics
Me: Oh well this channel is too nice to be annoyed
Me: Aw sweet a non airplane video
Wendover: NFL CHARTERS FLIGHTS
Hawaii also has an NCAA exemption allowing them to play 13 games a year. This allows them to have an extra home game to help pay for the extra travel costs they incur because of their location.
Planet Earth: Guys, we have a warming problem
Humans: We totally need a NFL team in London
go dig a hole and live in it.
Shut up liberal
global warming is a socialist myth
deadeye yeah! It’s a myth....it’s currently 70 degrees outside in the middle of January here in Pennsylvania but I’m sure it’s fine. Nothing to see here! Move along!
@@CyberNut930 Average temperatures are up less than 2 degrees on average. I doubt if it was 68.5 degrees you would call that all normal. A hot day doesn't prove global warming anymore than a cold day disproves it. Weather is not climate. Both sides need to stop cherrypicking.
FIFA World Cup logistics next, please!
Yeah and why are NFL players paid less than most athletes for example MLB player contracts
@@juanramirezgonzalez2213 Women are paid less too
@@jorgemacias4006 🤣🤣🤣
@@juanramirezgonzalez2213 NFL has a lot more players to pay. So even though they make the most, instead of 10-13 guys a team they gave to pay 53. Also they have a real salary cap tip influence parity where other sports like MLB dont
Yeah what about guaranteed paid contracts the MLBPA has got those , and if girls want equal pay than maybe they can start showing up bkz we (GenY) went to and support say girls volleyball games religiously
Viewers: So many airplane videos!!
Wendover: NFL Video
Viewers: oooo😯
Wendover: 😏... airplane video in disguise
Frederic Simeon he’s always been unloading aviation related videos... and people are still crazy about it?
@@airwipe1639 oh don't get me wrong😅 my major revolves around engineering and aviation a d I love this
😂😂😂😂
what the fuck are these cancerous emoji's
I remember seeing some reality tv show from the UK and someone on the show had a bunch of SF 49ers stuff in his office. I had no idea there was an overseas NFL fan base until then. Wild.
I'm surprised no one else has pointed this out yet, but team rosters are 53, not 56, players.
I knew that sounded wrong. Also, the Patriots play near Boston, unless they just land there for some reason...
I don’t watch American football
@@philipkvamme1389 maybe it's easier to get to Foxboro from Providence? It's about the same amount of time (40min/30mi) from each there and Logan, so maybe traffic and the size of the airport plays a factor.
I also am pretty sure sure the Jets usually bus to games that are that close, I've seen posts on social media of them getting on and off branded busses on their way to games. Unless they drive them separately or ship them as well which seems even more ridiculous.
That must be it, since I think I saw elsewhere that the Pats fly their planes out of Providence. Thanks for the info
Also that the MLB makes more revenue than the NFL
Hawaii also has 85 scholarship players and 70 players on its travel roster rather than the NFL's 53 man rosters. And they manage that amount of travel on a minuscule fraction of an NFL team's budget.
I think the biggest problem would be convincing players to play in another country an ocean away
Trenton Wilson Taxes would be an issue for players too
@@urbanerabyss4387 yeah for sure tho they get pay millions
"At least 2 football games in the UK in the coming years"
*released in 2019*
2020: I don't think so!
I've been to see my beloved 49ers win both of their Wembley games but I would love to go and see a game at Spurs new ground even as a neutral fan. I grew up with 3 non American Football 🏈 fans.2 of them are Spurs fans and the other brother who has been intolerant and downright cheeky to me for liking American Football 🏈 instead of soccer,supports Chelsea. I'll take great delight in telling him that the NFL has helped Spurs to build their new stadium by giving them 💲20,000,000 the next time he's rude to me.
Even in a video about the NFL wendover makes sure to talk about planes first
When you realize his videos are actually about logistics then it begins to make sense.
There is a similar example of this in a similar sport already. The English Rugby League added the Toronto Wolfpack to that countries' third division. What they did was Toronto would travel to England and stay there for about a month. They would come back and play a month at home with teams coming over from England. After the first two seasons the team was a win away from the first division. English League logistics though is different as there is no draft and salary cap. Many players that made the team were from Canada, United States, and Europe. Also Air Transat (a Canadian Airline) is the main airline that covers all the flying across the pond. I don't know if a British airline or American airline would do that kind of sponsorship.
At the end it is very possible, if done right.
I would be in favor of this if the airline that sponsored the team was Spirit and all the players had to climb into their economy section of an A320neo. I've been stuck on their flights to South America with all the "big seats" in front sold out. Walking is a challenge for the first 12 hours after I land.
NFL makes too much money for anyone to give them anything for free. Also with the rugby arrangement you mentioned where Toronto goes away for a month the plane doesn't sit waiting for a full day and can resume service immediately after dropping the team off.
Rugby teams carry less equipment which helps with the logistics and may not require a 767 an A321 or a 737 would be enough.
Me: “ah a video not about airplanes”
....
Me: Wendover posted a video not about planes?
Also me: 1:08 oh there it is
And here I am complaining how expensive my Lyft 4$ fares are.
turns out you're not a football team
OMG I LOVE THIS SO MUCH! Thank you for the background information, and explaining this so well! Having been part a crew that LOADED up a NFL team's equipment- with K-Loader involved to handle the larger boxes, holy cats, is there a LOT of equipment :-) And, it's heavy. Weight and balance are all important details when flying, and the larger planes do the best, more space up top, and more space in the cargo pits. I can't wait to watch more of your videos
Well, this did not age too well
Not to be mean or anything but
Script writer: how many plane mentions do you want?
Wendover: yes
Sam, *you see*, we love you... You have perfected your craft...
You see, only Sam can link NFL, Airplanes and Skillshare in a single conversation.
You see, Sam is good!
The nfl would really need two teams to make it worth it, then any team could go over and play both before coming back. Sorta like in baseball when the giants and dodgers went out west
yep they would need 2 teams full of brits for brits to root for an against
@@lollol-kz8vc You can put one in London (Wembley Stadium), one in Paris (Stade de France), one in Amsterdam (new venue needed), and one in Munich (Allianz Arena or Olympiastadion) and put these 4 teams in 1 division.
You said "match" (not game) when playing overseas in London/Sydney.
Awesome!
The earth is tiny. Imagine the travel costs for teams in opposite sides of Jupiter...
@@ethanswimmer1287 Truman Show
The Toronto Wolfpack played in the English RFL for 3 seasons playing home games in Toronto. It's been done. The team went under due to the pandemic. The league could easily buy a plane and fit it for teams to use for flying to London. The league is doing over $17bn in revenue. If they want to make it work, they will.
Wendover: The majority of this team's players would come from the US and would need to be persuaded, either monetarily *or otherwise*
Me: stop scaring me
NFL should start their own airline. during the season only fly teams but during the off-season fly commercial or at least cargo
They could have autographed seats as a selling point..
yes why not and get overfly rights for any country, ah wait this does not work like that....... ;) Iam sure Wendover explained once why that is (20BLN is a Joke in Airlines)
Or just buy 16 planes and split those planes between two teams
Eddy2smooth damn bro....you’re goin places if you keep coming up with ideas like that!
12:35 im so glad you wrapped the path around the edge of the map
The NFL would need to add four teams and two at minimum in the UK. That would eat up some of that travel time. It would also allow teams to stay for 2-4 weeks reducing the travel burden.
They would also need to find the fans to watch the games.
Outside of London that is probably impossible and too many games in London and the novelty of gridiron wears off.
@@Gambit771 You're right it might work better if they had teams in other euro countries like France and Germany, but they probably don't have the fans there either.
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Wendover: Ya know, NFL uses planes
This has a very simple solution. You build a practice facility in an american city. base the team there for 8 weeks while they play their road games then ship them to London for their block of home games. you could go 4 away + 8 home + 4 away and you've limited it to two transatlantic flights per season, the same amount any team takes to play in London currently.
This then gets more complicated if that team then makes the playoffs.
NFL fans: make the gameplay better
NFL: Let's put a team in London
NFL Players: Wait, hold on
It's a USA sport and we don't need toxic people in here
@@cool-hf2pe boi we ain't toxic
ar the only thing that’s toxic is that shitty mentality you have.
If you consider the travel time of other sports then it's not that bad really. Plus the UK has its own NFL league that's slowly growing with teams all over. We may not need any help from the NFL in the near future. Considering over four million fans actively watch the sport on TV here. It not hard to assume that these people would support a local team to.
@@cool-hf2pe What's with the negativity mate. NFL came from Rugby you know. Before you say. Yes I know the history of the NFL and half of those player at the start where rugby players who switched because the American sports committee wouldn't pay rugby players but would pay NFL players. Plus there are load of Americans playing both Ruby and football here. You even have English players in the NFL over there You have the MLS which is huge and right now is at a point where it can compete with some of the best leagues. Italy. Germany. France. One day you could be as high as the Premier league. The biggest in world sport. If I was American I'd be positive about what the future will/may hold not negative.
13,000,000 fans in the UK?? 20% of the population? Absolute bollocks mate. Nobody here gives a crap about American football.
Came here to say this. I know literally no-one in my friends, family, or workplace that care even a little about american football. There was a small society of supporters at my university, but there it was dwarfed by the society for Quiddich, so that's not saying much. It's the definition of niche here.
yep apparently more people are following the game than any other sport in the UK except football. they must all be hiding it very well as I am yet to meet a single person that even knows that the game is played hear. but that's the NFL for you they don't let the facts get in the way of marketing mate.
wendover didnt say it the nfl did
@@these_handles_are_stupidep and that's why I'v had a pop at them not him mate.
his stuff is very good and I love his vids. but the guy is relying one the people he gets his info for being both truthful and correct.
the idea that one in five of the UK population is a fan of the NFL is something they keep trying to get out there and is bull. the british sports council estimates the numbers at about 30,000 with an interest and maybe as low as 3,000 true fans.
but none of that is wendovers problem and being given false info to work with is also not down to him. why would he not believe the NFL numbers. they are correct for the USA fans after all.
After watching the video. I believe that is the NFL optimistic projections for popularity within the United Kingdom markets. So it may not be 20% yet just what they believe that they can get into the marketplace.
Also I was very surprised by just 57% of Americans. I do not watch football but that is allot more people that do not watch football than I would have ever imagined. I thought like 90% of people watch football here in the United States.
I figured that I was about the only person who did not 😂😂😂
I so badly hope it doesn’t happen… I think it’s a cool idea on paper to have a team in London, but given no one would want to play there, it would probably be absolutely terrible year Im and year out…. If Canada didn’t have the CFL I’d say Toronto would make a heck of a lot more sense for international expansion. I think Mexico City makes more sense given it is a similar time zone and much closer. I would be very curious as to how the logistics would work for that and how football has been received down there. Great video!
MLB has a Toronto team and used to have another Canadian team (Montreal Expos) and there don't seem to be any issues! Canada makes perfect sense as an expansion, if you can convince them to care about football.
To anyone wondering why the NFL makes more money than the Premier League, I can say why 90 % of the time there's an ad I really don't understand why people watch it.
I was wondeting that as well. You are right, there are no comercial breaks in the prem, bar 15' half time.
NFL has bigger stadiums too and I’d imagine lack of relegation and the draft among other fairness tools in the nfl mean you have a lot more teams bringing in large revenues and attracting large fan bases. In the PL the big six (heck probably just arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool alone given their huge international fanbases) bring in the same amount of money as the bottom 10 clubs combined.
Whenever you hear about the money that a company makes, that figure is their income, not their profit.
The US is the home of capitalism and the NFL is based in America, it's not rocket science to imagine that the sport will be marketed all to hell with profit being the main motivator in all matters (I mean they call each team a franchise, ffs), sadly this disease of money over matter is spreading to Europe now as Stadiums start getting named "Frankie's Quality Goods Emporium" and moronic shit like that. Soon you won't be able to get into an EPL match unless you're wearing the new strip complete with giant foam glove and beer-drinking cap.
It's also because european teams aren't profit maximizers but success maximizers, so they spend a lot more so they don't get relegated, get promoted, etc.
Absolutely "NO" to having an NFL team in London. The current arrangement with international games in London is ideal. Today, neither team playing in London would have a jetlag advantage while a London based team would be fresh with no jet lag. Los Angeles and Las Vegas proved you can have fans in cities with no teams. The logistic problem is much easier for LA and LV vs London.
Did it prove that, though? Because teams are now moving (or have moved) to those cities. So obviously they feel they need to have a physical presence in these places. In a lot of parts of the US, college football is more dominant than the NFL. I think there are *football* fans in places without NFL teams, but are there NFL fans (willing to pay outrageous prices to see games every weekend) in places without NFL teams?
Don't get people started on LA. LA being empty was how they kept cities footing billions for their extravagent skyboxes for over 2 decades.
Apart from their away games where they would be jet lagged. It's completely doable.
The London team would be jet lagged when they play in the states so it works out.
Hey! Video is great, same as pretty much all the content you post! Just wanted to point out that you mentioned Providence, Rhode Island twice as the home of the New England Patriots, when in reality they play in Foxborough, Massachussets. Keep up with the great, great work! Best, Luciano.
He heard the airplane jokes and threw this at us😂😂 Love it tho
Me: I wonder what the logistics problem the NFL has...
Wendover: it’s travel
All the comments: WHAT A TWIST
the "Wenstminster Twats" will be a great team!
That just sounds like Saracens
Rugby joke...
*WHERE'S THE AIRPLANE?* 😱😱😱😱
Edit: found it!
I highly doubt 1/5 people in the uk are interested in the nfl. The market is much smaller. However, if the money is good our best Rugby talents can be convinced to switch over.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody I know from the UK cares at all about American football (I'm American and I don't care either, but that's irrelevant). I wonder if people like the novelty of it now, but would drop off if a regular team was founded. I could see huge crowds showing up four times a year if a UK soccer team played here, but would people show up if an American city got a Premier League team for example?
So a dude who makes highly detailed logistics videos cannot research the amount of fans in the UK? Why not prove him wrong?
@@RJT80 Because I live in the UK and I understand the culture. The closest thing we have to American Football is Rugby, and that's the 2nd most popular sport, and half of those "fans" only watch the international games as an act of patriotism. Otherwise they couldn't care less about the club games which is where the players earn their living. Opposite is true with football/soccer. But if you asked those fans to give up their weekends of watching either of those sports to watch NFL games, travel to the other side of the world to support their team every away game. They will laugh at you. Plus there are too many breaks (american) football which is offputting for the UK audience because we hate ads and we want free-flowing sports.
Just because 13m people watched the Superbowl final, doesn't mean they would all support an NFL team based in London.
Yeah, it's the NFL puffing up their numbers. I'd imagine 20m is about the number of people who know what the NFL is.
Breaking into the UK market seems like a bit of a fool's errand for the NFL. The UK already has pretty much all of its time taken up with football, rugby, and cricket, all of which are home-grown. I think there would be a pretty strong resistance to a widespread embrace of a sport that is so incredibly American as anything more than a novelty. There's already plenty of annoyance at Americans calling it "football" and at the sport for being a much more padded up and slower version of rugby.
@@James-gm9cs I agree that the amount of breaks and ads is offputting with most American sports. I tend to only watch them at the business end of the season and even then I record them and watch them later on so I can skip all the ads and breaks in play. The only time I actually watch live is the Super Bowl as I don't want the result to be spoiled. I also find the 13m viewership questionable, I could see this being a Europe wide viewing figure but 13m in the UK alone seems like a very high number to me.
One thing that I feel like would be more wise than to make a team in London would be to expand to Canada and possibly merging with the CFL.
The Canadian government wouldn't allow it seeing how its becoming more anti American by the year
lol merging with the CFL will never happen in a billion years.
Oh the horror, a massive industry can't grow without new challenges? Breaks my heart.
Please my *checks notes* $16bn in 2019 sports league, it is very sick.
Only dropped to $12bn in 2020, probably at that point an advantage that they’re US based. I imagine F1 got fucked.
Honolulu vs London. Imagine the flight
Yeah, but Hawaii is a university not a pro team
It's no worse that flying to Asia from the east coast.
Probably about 14 hours or so.
@@timothybogle1461 Actually the flight from east Asia to the US East Coast takes like 17/18 hours I think
According to travelmath.com, the flight would take 15 hours
@@ducciocolombi7729 no cap I literally just traveled to Japan, and the flight was 11 hours, not 18
As mentioned, jet lag is a big factor. I witness this a lot in the Super Rugby league, where the travelling teams fatigue by the 3rd quarter. Another problem for leagues, located between time zones longer than 8 hours, is that the audience watches a lot of the live nights games in the early mornings where they stay.
*_The saddest part about the National Football League is that "Sweet Victory" was now replaced by "Sicko Mode"._*
tbh, as a music fan, I was intrigued by the mix between Sweet Victory and Sicko Mode, be happy it was there... right now you need to be mad about Nickelodeon making Spongebob spinoffs, something Hillenburg never wanted to have