@@AmandaCostner Oh, come on Amanda...what if someone's woman/lover in the heat of the moment whispers: "Honey can you pass me the "K-_." .ah, never mind...🙃😁
"Pour your own fucking tea" was the start of where I knew this episode would be brilliant. Mr Grey is the ally we all want and didn't know we had! According to the diaries AW was always pushing and pulling AL due to her faith, internalised homophobia, finances and even servants disputes. I hope there is a few more seasons and goes up until AL's death.
It will be a travesty if we don't get at least 1 more season! Funny thing about the "pour your own fucking tea" line---I rewound and rewatched that scene about 9 times. I just found it so interesting that they let us inside AW's head for a brief period of time and then had AL respond to it almost as if she heard her say it!
@@AmandaCostner Someone needs to record THAT, and put IT one a ONE HOUR LOOP! And then maybe add some rap beats, beat box, or synth pop rhythms. 😁. Like: "Pour yer' own effen tea, pour yer' own effen tea, t t t-tea, t t t-tea"... and sounds of a percolator in the back round... just a thought- 🤣 J/L
Hello Amanda. I’m a 74 old woman and have been in a32 year relationship with my partner, a woman. Just wanted to let you know how much I have enjoyed this series. I also have enjoyed your reviews. You have given very insightful commentary in a very entertaining way. You have made me laugh many times and I love you for that. Keep up the good works and will be looking forward to hearing your commentary for season 3
This was so sweet to wake up to today! Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching my recaps! Congrats on your 32 years together that is so awesome. I can only hope to say the same one day about me and my partner 💜
Thomas Sowden was at the casino dedication, they showed him twice. They must be leaving it for season 3. Also, the writer is following the journals as much as she can so the early content with Mariana was showing us the final hurrah with her and Anne focusing on her relationship with Ann. In real life that is where she did end it with Mariana.
I've been in touch with some researchers who have informed me they're researching Ann Walker's life---it's pretty cool because she's just as fascinating as a person imo.
I so much enjoy your content, your cool style, your wit and sarcastic humor. Although I´m not gay, I love GJ and I want them back for S3. Greetings from South America!
Damn this was such a nice and complimentary comment thank you!!!! Sending love down to South America! Let's hope we get a season 3! Also I've always wondered the breakdown of the Gentleman Jack audience, it's such a good show!
Thank you for doing these. Seriously you’re hilarious. I have so many littles and don’t exactly have all the time in the world to devote to a whole show. I was super entertained by your content. Legit almost killed myself laughing because I’m getting over Covid but it was very worth it
Great reaction as always. This season has been about the psychology of the relationship rather than season 1's thrill of the Chase. The theme has been "how does a marriage work?" I note that you (and other commentators) do not pay attention to the scene in Ashbourne church where Anne Lister becomes emotional while viewing the monument to Penelope Boothby. I think this is shown as the beginning of the healing of the relationship between the two women. How often have we seen AL reveal her doubts and vulnerability? In this scene she gives herself emotionally and spiritually, rather than physically, to AW. The acting is brilliant as you see AW move from repressed annoyance through amazement to a joyful realisation that she is truly loved. The problem of a childless marriage, and it is a problem for them in their era is addressed and acknowledged. Today it is a non issue for gay couples but in a time when women were defined by their role as wife and mother embracing a relationship in which one role had to be hidden and the other was impossible required a huge degree of commitment. For me this scene was literally the heart of the episode.
You're right I did ignore the baby scene, partly because a lot of my commentary about this scene would have involved me mostly asking questions. I'm not finished with the diaries and not sure this is in the diaries, but I'd be very curious about whether this was rooted in the writer's room or the diaries. I think I saw it as a scene that we were supposed to view, as an audience, as powerful, and because I didn't fully get on board with it, sort of shrugged my shoulders, noted the change in AW's attitude as you said, and moved on. A lot of my questions surrounding this scene involved the way it made me feel watching it. I found it a little odd, just the entire concept of "this child who has died, I thought this could be, like, our child". There's so much going on in just that one sentence. If I was in AW's shoes I would have been like "you want me to treat someone else's dead baby as if it was your and mine dead baby??" lol like I'm sure other more mature, less silly people would immediately understand what was happening and take it as a sign that they're meant to be together, I just really didn't know how to take it. But it's an interesting scene. Almost somewhat of a shocking scene.
@@AmandaCostner It seemed manipulative to me. I didn't buy it for a second. Especially after AL had that whole temper tantrum in episode 7. I think the actress Suranne intentionally wanted to come across as having fake tears and putting on a big show for AW's benefit. I think her talking to Lady Cameron about children seemed more genuine after she had some time to reflect and had just f'd up with AW yet again.
I have empathy for both Ann and Anne. Ann Walker was, it seems, quite trying and Anne Lister was so patient and good to her- signs of true love I think.
i think them needing/wanting to stick to the diaries, they needed more episodes to bring all the various story lines to a decent conclusion, and give us more drama. Like what about the coal and her not knowing who to trust? what about the elections, what happened in the end? things that got so much focus just never... reached an actual conclusion. Like at that point either step away from the diaries, ignore some of the business that occurred and enhance the drama, or add more episodes to both end the side quests, and give the characters more scenes.. like more thomas serial killer sowden, more mariana, and most importantly more ann and anne... not to mention who wrote the marriage announcement?
Agreed. Another commenter (not sure it was on this recap or one of the other recaps) said the real Thomas Sowden's family came forward and pitched a fit about his plotline, and this may have had to do with them dropping it. Not sure if it's true but if it is that will be such a weird dropped plotline. He was present at the casino dedication but if they do a S3 and don't talk about him being a murderer again it'll just be weird and confusing lol.
I think one of the reasons Thomas sowden wasn't on, is because the real Sam sowden wasn't murdered. Didn't have a son Thomas, was a nice person and lived to a good age. And Sally Wainwright had to apologise to his realatives for what she wrote. Sam had 7 sons and 4 daughters and 2 sons became ministers and were friends of the Brontës. Always look forward to watching your comments, you're hilarious.
Oh WOW Caroline, you are bringing me the important INFO! Thank you. Wow, that is so interesting. I guess when all your characters were real people you have to be careful...but that's....too bad.
I think the reason AL could not introducing AW to her friends had to do with rank. The reason AL could crossover to the higher society was because of her intellect and her oddities. M understood that S1 E7 because she could not go either. You look the bee’s knee’s in your top hat and keep them coming.
Anne L was only one rank below lords & ladies, (aristocracy), Ann W was two. AL had been introduced via Norcliffes, and being only LG could not introduce any one else, and for her to ask that AW be introduced or invited would be unforgivable. Hierarchy was: Monarchy, then Aristocracy, then landed gentry, (AL), then 'new money' (AW), then others ranked below, not relevant. Class was critical and rigid. Note that AL observed others at dinner to check etiquette - what cutlery to use etc (early episode in s1). Fake it til you make it ....
Thanks for pointing this out I hadn't thought much about it, but as AL was super concerned with status/order I'm sure it was of great importance to her and factored into her hiding AW.
Love this Amanda! And love Gentleman Jack. I knew a woman irl that was so much like her. She was my parent’s age (they had me VERY late in life). She was a woman pilot in WW2. She was quirky, funny & tough as they come. She and her wife owned and operated a resort business in Colorado. I worked for them a couple of summers. My dad was an airline pilot, so he made friends with her (My folks had a cabin up there.) She lived her life boldly & unapologetically, even though it was not easy during her lifetime. She insisted on doing all the work at the resort herself (you should have seen her with a chain saw! 🤣) One time, she threatened to run a man down with a bulldozer over a land dispute. Thank goodness my dad was there to keep her out of jail! A famous quote I remember from her: “I like men just fine. I just don’t want to sleep with them.” 😂
Of course I’m referring to Anne Lister in this. Hope you see this @AmandaCostner And I sure hope a network picks up Gentleman Jack for a renewal. This series tells her story in such a unique way. And Suranne Jones and Sophie Rundle are absolutely brilliant in their roles. The supporting cast is very good as well.
I enjoyed series 1 more. I know they wanted to concentrate on Anne's business empire in series 2, but a bit more of Anne and Ann would have been nice. Also distracting for me was Suranne's different voice. Preferred the one she used in series 1. I guess having to film during the pandemic didn't help, all the stop/start filming. Sophie had a baby, got COVID, suranne's dad died etc etc.
I disagree. She was an incredible person If she had been a man history would have remembered her for all her achievements Instead of the obsession with sexuality
BBC ratings series 1 was over 5 million viewers. series 2 started with 3.7 million and went down to 3.2 million don't know yet how many viewers watched EP 7 & 8. Believe it or not after viewers found out Anne was conservative some viewers turned off. They're hated (Tories)
yeah, i felt the same way. eventhough i knew it beforehand, when i saw her manupulating the votes, ...she lost lot´s of her on screen sex appeal for me. i still watched the show, fascinated by the dynamics and also hungry for any historical lesbian representation, of course, but the reason why i watched definitly changed then.
Wow that's so interesting, thanks for giving us the BBC ratings! As with every show I'm not even sure how much ratings matter anymore, as most people stream nowadays. But it sucks the numbers went down a little. I actually find Anne's conservative snobbery to add to her complexity as a character so it didn't bother me finding out she was a Tory, but I can see how it could be a turn off for others. You tune in to watch this badass lesbian do badass lesbian things and then find out she only thinks women who own property should get to vote lol. Not a good look Anne!!!
Amanda: "Suc* it Captain Sunderfu**." Nice one...funny AF. Good thing I watched this NOW, and not at tonight's meeting at work! Have a great rest of the week-Jules/Laura.
Wow the last episode was 🤌. Made me realize how much I missed/we lacked scenes w AL+AW together this season. Even if majority of this episode their relationship was in limbo ( alot of us can relate). I found myself getting teary a few times as again as a masc lebian I could relate to AL especially w the whole child thing. I absolutely loved AW finally standing up for herself against Anne as well as Suthercuck. ANNE finally standing up for her wife was A+ as well. I loved this season and the flaws it showed us w all characters. Hell, I read the diaries and didn't like AL sometimes! Also, Alot of folks didn't like that Anne was a conservative , I loved it ( conservative lesbians we do exist 😘) . As far as s3 I hope we get it but honestly I do not want the show to go as far as AL'S death and AW falling off the deep end. Their story does not end happily after all but like shakespear said " it is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all". Really makes you appreciate how far we have come ❤️
BTW, Amanda, if anyone is interested, I found a channel on YT that has the INTRO theme song for Gentleman Jack on a ONE HOUR LOOP! LMAO! Now I know what to blast out the windows of my house on my deafening sound system, when the neighbors tick me off! Not sure if I can say the channel name here? (It's David Niemczyk). J/L
@@AmandaCostner Yeah but feel sorry for the neighbors, or for the one who is having such a crap day, that they'd resort to such a one hour loop. PS) I'll admit, the other day, when I was cleaning the house, I put it on just for shtz n giglz, and after about 20 minutes, I was driven completely INSANE! The house got cleaned pretty quickly, though. Love your channel!! Have a good week! From:JRK/LZR -😁
I think that ann walker knows that something has happened between ann and marianna she just doesn't know what. I hope that ann lister tells her what happened and more about her past. I honestly thought that their marriage wasn't going last.
I think the show was playing with our emotions a little bit, wanting us to not really know for sure if AL truly loves Ann Walker. I haven't completed the diaries yet but a lot who have seem to come to the conclusion that Anne Lister did truly love AW.
@@AmandaCostner true, I've started reading the diaries, will the guy who fed his dad to the pigs get found out? And will all those buildings that Ann lister is building will they be a success or will she end up in debt? ann walker seems to have taken to drinking alot more this series
I think season two, as laborious as some aspects of it was, was both a pull back in scope with respect to the rise of the Industrial period, and a down in the weeds focus on how they as a couple negotiated those times. I’m not sure that I want a third season, not because of the quality of the project, but because Ann Lister died relatively soon thereafter. The grimness of the facts (STD’s, how she dies, and Anne Walkers subsequent institutionalization) that follow might be too depressing.
You might get your wish ha, the way they wrapped up S2 and took like a million years between s1 and s2, I’m starting to suspect we may not get that third season. Though I think the fan base would support the idea of gaining new fans must be not likely so just depends…. Interesting take on season 2, down in the weeds is a good way to describe it. I love the characters and setting so i didn’t mind it but thought it was less entertaining on a whole than season 1.
@@ronhunt2254 you're right. It is possible that someone has studied AL and yet has managed to completely ignore the loving care she showered on AW over the years, ignored how she set AW's accounts in order, kept her from being ripped off from her family and driven into virtual insanity. It is possible that someone who has studied Anne Lister could have missed the fact that it was she who saw to it that Ann Walker got the finest mental and physical health care, not AW's "tribe." I suppose someone who studied the AL/AW relationship could have concluded that AL was out only for money. After all, AW paid for the lion's share of their travel and financed much of the improvements to Shibden. However that would fail to take into account that the Shibden money was borrowed and repaid with appropriate interest, so AW (or her estate) actually made money on those improvements. As for the travel, well, you got me there. Anne did like to live high on the hog, but these were experiences Ann would never have had if not for Anne, so I say, fair trade. Yes, you're right, I should not leap to conclusions, but by a preponderance of the evidence I stand by my original conclusion that the statement was made by one who had not studied Anne Lister.
I hate to say I was a bit dissapointed with the last few episodes. Too much business stuff in the plot for me. I would have liked to see what happened to Mariana(that was so exciting)and like you mentioned the pig murderer. All very juicy plotlines that sort of just got forgotten. Still a good show but after waiting so long for the second season I am slightly underwhelmed :(
So you know, of course, that this is based on a true story as reported in Anne Lister's diaries. Well **SPOILER ALERT** according to AL, she never again slept with Mariana after Christmas 1832, which is why you heard no more from her. Also, Anne never again cheated on Ann after that one final daliance with Mariana.
Do you think it's possible she was unfaithful again and just didn't record it in the diaries? I have no reason to doubt except the "once a cheater..." thing lol
@@AmandaCostner I doubt it because she recorded many occasions when she contemplated cheating and many times when she "incurred a cross" thinking of one woman or another over the years. Yet she remained faithful to Adney.
I enjoyed hearing Ann telling Anne to pour her own f*****g tea, even though she didn't say it out loud to Anne.
I've always found the concept of two people sitting, one of them tells the other to get up and do something for them, so irritating!
@@AmandaCostner Oh, come on Amanda...what if someone's woman/lover in the heat of the moment whispers: "Honey can you pass me the "K-_." .ah, never mind...🙃😁
@@22ergie 😅
"Pour your own fucking tea" was the start of where I knew this episode would be brilliant. Mr Grey is the ally we all want and didn't know we had!
According to the diaries AW was always pushing and pulling AL due to her faith, internalised homophobia, finances and even servants disputes. I hope there is a few more seasons and goes up until AL's death.
It will be a travesty if we don't get at least 1 more season! Funny thing about the "pour your own fucking tea" line---I rewound and rewatched that scene about 9 times. I just found it so interesting that they let us inside AW's head for a brief period of time and then had AL respond to it almost as if she heard her say it!
@@AmandaCostner haha.
If there is another season I'd love to see AW have more internal dialogue, especially if Marianne is leaving
@@AmandaCostner Someone needs to record THAT, and put IT one a ONE HOUR LOOP! And then maybe add some rap beats, beat box, or synth pop rhythms. 😁. Like: "Pour yer' own effen tea, pour yer' own effen tea, t t t-tea, t t t-tea"... and sounds of a percolator in the back round... just a thought- 🤣 J/L
Hello Amanda. I’m a 74 old woman and have been in a32 year relationship with my partner, a woman. Just wanted to let you know how much I have enjoyed this series. I also have enjoyed your reviews. You have given very insightful commentary in a very entertaining way. You have made me laugh many times and I love you for that. Keep up the good works and will be looking forward to hearing your commentary for season 3
This was so sweet to wake up to today! Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching my recaps! Congrats on your 32 years together that is so awesome. I can only hope to say the same one day about me and my partner 💜
Thomas Sowden was at the casino dedication, they showed him twice. They must be leaving it for season 3. Also, the writer is following the journals as much as she can so the early content with Mariana was showing us the final hurrah with her and Anne focusing on her relationship with Ann. In real life that is where she did end it with Mariana.
seeing as the Thomas sowden storyline was made up by Sally, I'd just forget about it.
If that was truly the final hurrah with Mariana I will be sad! She's such a juicy character. Maybe she can get a rebound chick in S3 lol
Did you know Ann Walker wrote diaries too. They found one of hers. Though she didn't write as much detail as Anne
I've been in touch with some researchers who have informed me they're researching Ann Walker's life---it's pretty cool because she's just as fascinating as a person imo.
I so much enjoy your content, your cool style, your wit and sarcastic humor. Although I´m not gay, I love GJ and I want them back for S3. Greetings from South America!
Damn this was such a nice and complimentary comment thank you!!!! Sending love down to South America! Let's hope we get a season 3! Also I've always wondered the breakdown of the Gentleman Jack audience, it's such a good show!
I wanted more interactions with Argus! I loved how she would always greet him in Season 1.
Thank you for doing these. Seriously you’re hilarious. I have so many littles and don’t exactly have all the time in the world to devote to a whole show. I was super entertained by your content. Legit almost killed myself laughing because I’m getting over Covid but it was very worth it
Awe thank you so much! So sorry you have Covid I'm sending you wishes of a speedy recovery 🤧😊 and strength to handle all the littles!
Great reaction as always. This season has been about the psychology of the relationship rather than season 1's thrill of the Chase. The theme has been "how does a marriage work?" I note that you (and other commentators) do not pay attention to the scene in Ashbourne church where Anne Lister becomes emotional while viewing the monument to Penelope Boothby. I think this is shown as the beginning of the healing of the relationship between the two women. How often have we seen AL reveal her doubts and vulnerability? In this scene she gives herself emotionally and spiritually, rather than physically, to AW. The acting is brilliant as you see AW move from repressed annoyance through amazement to a joyful realisation that she is truly loved. The problem of a childless marriage, and it is a problem for them in their era is addressed and acknowledged. Today it is a non issue for gay couples but in a time when women were defined by their role as wife and mother embracing a relationship in which one role had to be hidden and the other was impossible required a huge degree of commitment. For me this scene was literally the heart of the episode.
You're right I did ignore the baby scene, partly because a lot of my commentary about this scene would have involved me mostly asking questions. I'm not finished with the diaries and not sure this is in the diaries, but I'd be very curious about whether this was rooted in the writer's room or the diaries. I think I saw it as a scene that we were supposed to view, as an audience, as powerful, and because I didn't fully get on board with it, sort of shrugged my shoulders, noted the change in AW's attitude as you said, and moved on.
A lot of my questions surrounding this scene involved the way it made me feel watching it. I found it a little odd, just the entire concept of "this child who has died, I thought this could be, like, our child". There's so much going on in just that one sentence. If I was in AW's shoes I would have been like "you want me to treat someone else's dead baby as if it was your and mine dead baby??" lol like I'm sure other more mature, less silly people would immediately understand what was happening and take it as a sign that they're meant to be together, I just really didn't know how to take it. But it's an interesting scene. Almost somewhat of a shocking scene.
It is in the diaries.
@@AmandaCostner It seemed manipulative to me. I didn't buy it for a second. Especially after AL had that whole temper tantrum in episode 7. I think the actress Suranne intentionally wanted to come across as having fake tears and putting on a big show for AW's benefit. I think her talking to Lady Cameron about children seemed more genuine after she had some time to reflect and had just f'd up with AW yet again.
It took a very quick turn, a lot happened in this episode, my head spun a bit . I feel sorry for Anne W
Yeah me too. Seems like she struggles to find people she can trust.
I have empathy for both Ann and Anne. Ann Walker was, it seems, quite trying and Anne Lister was so patient and good to her- signs of true love I think.
@@AmandaCostner awkward situation!
“White girl wasted” 🤣 oh I been there a lot 🥴
Me too lol 😩😂
Love the hat. Suits you!
Thank you I had fun in it!!!
@@AmandaCostner And I have fun everytime I watch your recaps. Can't keep it together. I really appreciate that.
i think them needing/wanting to stick to the diaries, they needed more episodes to bring all the various story lines to a decent conclusion, and give us more drama.
Like what about the coal and her not knowing who to trust? what about the elections, what happened in the end? things that got so much focus just never... reached an actual conclusion.
Like at that point either step away from the diaries, ignore some of the business that occurred and enhance the drama, or add more episodes to both end the side quests, and give the characters more scenes.. like more thomas serial killer sowden, more mariana, and most importantly more ann and anne... not to mention who wrote the marriage announcement?
Agreed. Another commenter (not sure it was on this recap or one of the other recaps) said the real Thomas Sowden's family came forward and pitched a fit about his plotline, and this may have had to do with them dropping it. Not sure if it's true but if it is that will be such a weird dropped plotline. He was present at the casino dedication but if they do a S3 and don't talk about him being a murderer again it'll just be weird and confusing lol.
Agree with you. Thought there were parts of the season and episode that were rushed, and a LOT of dropped plot lines. Found it a bit perplexing!
Hopefully we get a third season to make things right again, we'll see...
I think one of the reasons Thomas sowden wasn't on, is because the real Sam sowden wasn't murdered. Didn't have a son Thomas, was a nice person and lived to a good age. And Sally Wainwright had to apologise to his realatives for what she wrote. Sam had 7 sons and 4 daughters and 2 sons became ministers and were friends of the Brontës. Always look forward to watching your comments, you're hilarious.
Oh WOW Caroline, you are bringing me the important INFO! Thank you. Wow, that is so interesting. I guess when all your characters were real people you have to be careful...but that's....too bad.
@@AmandaCostner if there is series 3, Sally will probably finish the Thomas sowden storyline
The maid pregnant to the guy shot out of a tree was also rubbish.they never meet
I think the reason AL could not introducing AW to her friends had to do with rank. The reason AL could crossover to the higher society was because of her intellect and her oddities. M understood that S1 E7 because she could not go either. You look the bee’s knee’s in your top hat and keep them coming.
Anne L was only one rank below lords & ladies, (aristocracy), Ann W was two. AL had been introduced via Norcliffes, and being only LG could not introduce any one else, and for her to ask that AW be introduced or invited would be unforgivable. Hierarchy was: Monarchy, then Aristocracy, then landed gentry, (AL), then 'new money' (AW), then others ranked below, not relevant. Class was critical and rigid. Note that AL observed others at dinner to check etiquette - what cutlery to use etc (early episode in s1). Fake it til you make it ....
@@asilver2889 thanks for clarifying that because that was a bone of contention for a lot of people.
Thanks for pointing this out I hadn't thought much about it, but as AL was super concerned with status/order I'm sure it was of great importance to her and factored into her hiding AW.
Love this Amanda! And love Gentleman Jack.
I knew a woman irl that was so much like her. She was my parent’s age (they had me VERY late in life). She was a woman pilot in WW2. She was quirky, funny & tough as they come. She and her wife owned and operated a resort business in Colorado. I worked for them a couple of summers. My dad was an airline pilot, so he made friends with her (My folks had a cabin up there.)
She lived her life boldly & unapologetically, even though it was not easy during her lifetime. She insisted on doing all the work at the resort herself (you should have seen her with a chain saw! 🤣) One time, she threatened to run a man down with a bulldozer over a land dispute. Thank goodness my dad was there to keep her out of jail!
A famous quote I remember from her:
“I like men just fine. I just don’t want to sleep with them.” 😂
Of course I’m referring to Anne Lister in this. Hope you see this @AmandaCostner And I sure hope a network picks up Gentleman Jack for a renewal. This series tells her story in such a unique way. And Suranne Jones and Sophie Rundle are absolutely brilliant in their roles. The supporting cast is very good as well.
Who else was shocked when happened the sex scene with Mariana? Omg I thought Anne was betraying again
Absolutely through me off. Also it was more graphic than a lot of the previous sex scenes so it was a surprise and also really eye-popping!
loving the hat x x it's my next tatt x
That's gonna be awesome! Great tattoo idea 🎩
if u read about anne and vere. there's no way she wants ann to meet Vere EVER.
I'm still reading through the diaries but you've made me want to read them faster lollll
I enjoyed series 1 more. I know they wanted to concentrate on Anne's business empire in series 2, but a bit more of Anne and Ann would have been nice. Also distracting for me was Suranne's different voice. Preferred the one she used in series 1. I guess having to film during the pandemic didn't help, all the stop/start filming. Sophie had a baby, got COVID, suranne's dad died etc etc.
Yes I also noticed Suranne’s voice was much deeper in a lot of the scenes in this episode. Wondered if she’d gotten sick.
Haven't a clue why suranne went deeper with her voice, maybe she thought it wasn't deep enough in series 1. Or maybe she forgot how she sounded. lol
I disagree. She was an incredible person
If she had been a man history would have remembered her for all her achievements
Instead of the obsession with sexuality
I very much liked her deeper voice. Then again I'm a fool for a female baritone. Lauren Bacall knocks my socks off every time she speaks!😁
@@AmandaCostner i would think the the longer someone play's a role the more they get into the character
BBC ratings series 1 was over 5 million viewers. series 2 started with 3.7 million and went down to 3.2 million don't know yet how many viewers watched EP 7 & 8. Believe it or not after viewers found out Anne was conservative some viewers turned off. They're hated (Tories)
Just curious if you have ever heard of Log Cabin Republicans?
yeah, i felt the same way. eventhough i knew it beforehand, when i saw her manupulating the votes, ...she lost lot´s of her on screen sex appeal for me. i still watched the show, fascinated by the dynamics and also hungry for any historical lesbian representation, of course, but the reason why i watched definitly changed then.
Lots of people, land owners did as Anne Lister did. Manipulate the vote.
Wow that's so interesting, thanks for giving us the BBC ratings! As with every show I'm not even sure how much ratings matter anymore, as most people stream nowadays. But it sucks the numbers went down a little. I actually find Anne's conservative snobbery to add to her complexity as a character so it didn't bother me finding out she was a Tory, but I can see how it could be a turn off for others. You tune in to watch this badass lesbian do badass lesbian things and then find out she only thinks women who own property should get to vote lol. Not a good look Anne!!!
Maybe they had captain Sutherland smiling at Ann Walker because he'll be moving into shibden hall after Anne dies lol.
Yeah I heard they basically “win” the long war 😢
Gosh, Is that right? I heard that some of the Sutherland´s children died young. If so, the happiness did not last long.
Damn that's a cold piece of work!!! So in the end Sunderf**k not only gets AW's property but Lister's too!!! Long game...
Amanda: "Suc* it Captain Sunderfu**." Nice one...funny AF. Good thing I watched this NOW, and not at tonight's meeting at work! Have a great rest of the week-Jules/Laura.
Haha, I love that you always sign out "Jules/Laura" makes my day ☺️
@@AmandaCostner I guess it's better than if I'd sign out: "Jerk/Loser" - LMFAO!
You rock this look so hard my dude! ✨
Thank you!!!! I’m quite pleased with it! May take it out in public one of these days ha!
@@AmandaCostner yes! You gotta 🙏🤩
There relationship must have been very challenging.
Yes especially back then true
Amanda that top hat is a great look for you!!!
Wow the last episode was 🤌. Made me realize how much I missed/we lacked scenes w AL+AW together this season. Even if majority of this episode their relationship was in limbo ( alot of us can relate). I found myself getting teary a few times as again as a masc lebian I could relate to AL especially w the whole child thing. I absolutely loved AW finally standing up for herself against Anne as well as Suthercuck. ANNE finally standing up for her wife was A+ as well. I loved this season and the flaws it showed us w all characters. Hell, I read the diaries and didn't like AL sometimes! Also, Alot of folks didn't like that Anne was a conservative , I loved it ( conservative lesbians we do exist 😘) . As far as s3 I hope we get it but honestly I do not want the show to go as far as AL'S death and AW falling off the deep end. Their story does not end happily after all but like shakespear said " it is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all". Really makes you appreciate how far we have come ❤️
Seems back than a carriage was THE place for couples to have a heated argument. A car these days, I guess.
BTW, Amanda, if anyone is interested, I found a channel on YT that has the INTRO theme song for Gentleman Jack on a ONE HOUR LOOP! LMAO! Now I know what to blast out the windows of my house on my deafening sound system, when the neighbors tick me off! Not sure if I can say the channel name here? (It's David Niemczyk). J/L
Yes of course you can link to it! That sounds awesome!
@@AmandaCostner Yeah but feel sorry for the neighbors, or for the one who is having such a crap day, that they'd resort to such a one hour loop. PS) I'll admit, the other day, when I was cleaning the house, I put it on just for shtz n giglz, and after about 20 minutes, I was driven completely INSANE! The house got cleaned pretty quickly, though. Love your channel!! Have a good week! From:JRK/LZR -😁
I think that ann walker knows that something has happened between ann and marianna she just doesn't know what. I hope that ann lister tells her what happened and more about her past. I honestly thought that their marriage wasn't going last.
I think the show was playing with our emotions a little bit, wanting us to not really know for sure if AL truly loves Ann Walker. I haven't completed the diaries yet but a lot who have seem to come to the conclusion that Anne Lister did truly love AW.
@@AmandaCostner true, I've started reading the diaries, will the guy who fed his dad to the pigs get found out? And will all those buildings that Ann lister is building will they be a success or will she end up in debt? ann walker seems to have taken to drinking alot more this series
Anne Lister’s mom, Rebecca Battle was, I believe an alcoholic or at least drank a bit.
Oh that makes sense then.
I love it when you call Captain Sutherland, Sutherf#%€*! Lol.
Yes, she was an alcoholic!
I think season two, as laborious as some aspects of it was, was both a pull back in scope with respect to the rise of the Industrial period, and a down in the weeds focus on how they as a couple negotiated those times. I’m not sure that I want a third season, not because of the quality of the project, but because Ann Lister died relatively soon thereafter. The grimness of the facts (STD’s, how she dies, and Anne Walkers subsequent institutionalization) that follow might be too depressing.
You might get your wish ha, the way they wrapped up S2 and took like a million years between s1 and s2, I’m starting to suspect we may not get that third season. Though I think the fan base would support the idea of gaining new fans must be not likely so just depends….
Interesting take on season 2, down in the weeds is a good way to describe it. I love the characters and setting so i didn’t mind it but thought it was less entertaining on a whole than season 1.
People forgetting that lister interests in walker for her OWN MONEY and that’s it!
NO!!!!!!!!
What do you think Sutherland the brother In-law was after.it was him that ended up in shibden
That is the response of someone who has not studied Anne Lister.
@@mswildi it's dangerous to assume anything
How do you know who have studied something
@@ronhunt2254 you're right. It is possible that someone has studied AL and yet has managed to completely ignore the loving care she showered on AW over the years, ignored how she set AW's accounts in order, kept her from being ripped off from her family and driven into virtual insanity. It is possible that someone who has studied Anne Lister could have missed the fact that it was she who saw to it that Ann Walker got the finest mental and physical health care, not AW's "tribe."
I suppose someone who studied the AL/AW relationship could have concluded that AL was out only for money. After all, AW paid for the lion's share of their travel and financed much of the improvements to Shibden. However that would fail to take into account that the Shibden money was borrowed and repaid with appropriate interest, so AW (or her estate) actually made money on those improvements. As for the travel, well, you got me there. Anne did like to live high on the hog, but these were experiences Ann would never have had if not for Anne, so I say, fair trade.
Yes, you're right, I should not leap to conclusions, but by a preponderance of the evidence I stand by my original conclusion that the statement was made by one who had not studied Anne Lister.
I hate to say I was a bit dissapointed with the last few episodes. Too much business stuff in the plot for me. I would have liked to see what happened to Mariana(that was so exciting)and like you mentioned the pig murderer. All very juicy plotlines that sort of just got forgotten. Still a good show but after waiting so long for the second season I am slightly underwhelmed :(
So you know, of course, that this is based on a true story as reported in Anne Lister's diaries. Well **SPOILER ALERT** according to AL, she never again slept with Mariana after Christmas 1832, which is why you heard no more from her. Also, Anne never again cheated on Ann after that one final daliance with Mariana.
Thought it was Christmas 1834
@@carolinethom3022 Quite right. My error.
Do you think it's possible she was unfaithful again and just didn't record it in the diaries? I have no reason to doubt except the "once a cheater..." thing lol
@@mswildi easily done!
@@AmandaCostner I doubt it because she recorded many occasions when she contemplated cheating and many times when she "incurred a cross" thinking of one woman or another over the years. Yet she remained faithful to Adney.