Thank you for your comprehensive review. It seems this matte box is a definite step up from the Tilta mini (price, size and functionality). Nearly all of my shooting takes place outdoors so I was particularly interested in your explanation of the advantages of the Nisi system in outdoor and brightly lit locations. Definitely one to think about (I already have the Tilta and Small Rig matte boxes but this one seems to fit nicely between them - in more ways than one!).
Thanks for watching!! It really is, as I mentioned in the video it is quite a versatile and useful matte box for a lot of situations. Very well suited for outdoor and run and gun.
Great review - thanks Flor. I agree - the big draw back for me is that if you need the VND and IR - that's all you can do. If you want to add Mist or any other filtration, there is no 2nd level 4 x 5.65 filter tray. Good for beginner's, but not for advanced. Also - that flag looks very weak and flimsy - which is a real shame. I'm kinda on the fence about this one. I could see using it a lot in simple run-and- gun shoots, docs, and fast moving projects as it gives you great control of the amount of light hitting the lens - but for anything that requires more control, you'll need something better. Thanks again.
Thanks!! You can actually use both 4x4 and 4x5.65 filters at the same time. So you can get an IRND 4x4 and then use the 4x5.65 black mist for example. That way you have a 2 filter set up similar to a more traditional matte box.
I have the small rig star trail matte box, it has stackable filter trays that’s the primary reason I got it so I can use as many 4x5.65 filters as I want. I think that’s a big problem solver
@@JimmyBlanco you can stack extras in the Tilta one that comes w the Mirage set, which is what i have, but the color shift is awful. i really wanted this bc Nisi's got such nice filters, but i think not being able to stack at least one more is a dealbreaker... really need one extra slot, i dunno why they'd make it this way other than just being able to come out with one that does have an extra slot later. frustrating
@@JimmyBlanco How is the reliability of the stacking trays? Those support 4mm filters without any issue? I'm thinking of this for new BMPCC 6k fullframe as it has no internal ND
@@OfTwoLandsSorry if I’m just not understanding this, but it sounds like your limited to only 2 filters at a time. My desired setup is to use the variable ND filter built for this system, an IR Cut filter, and a mist filter, is that possible with this system?
Great video, as always.I mostly use photo lenses but I had to buy a matte box anyway, because I couldn’t use Lens hoods with a VND Got myself a tiny mini matte box from SmallRig :)
Great video. Changing filters looks a lot easier on this one compared to my SmallRig, but looks like it only takes one 5x4.65 which is a shame. The IR CUT filter in the swift system is very effective when using the True Colour VND on BMPCC, life saver.
I bought the C5 matte box system a week ago and this review is spot on. Nisi tried a quick fix to enable quick removal of the carbon fiber hoods like some of the other competiors and it was a mistake to me there could of been a better way to do it other than that I like the matte box
Let's say you want to use the VND and the mist at the same time. You would still be missing the IR filter, what approach would you use to achieve that goal? thank you. Very informative video as usual.
If I can offer a critique (with due respect)... Please keep your examples up for longer, especially the side by side comparisons. I can barely see one and before I can see the other the shot is gone. And a question: Have you tried the Small Rig Modular (Star Trail?) matte box? How would that compare to this NiSi? They both seem to be similar, I think it comes down to filter quality and construction of the matte box. I read a couple negative reviews on this C5 and one of the criticisms was unexpected plastic bits on something that should have been metal (I don't recall what the review referred to). I'm in the market for my first matte box for my BMPCC 4K and I want to pick the right one.
Thanks for the great review. Can I ask, did U remove a bracket or hinge from the left side of the top flag? Was this to allow U to remove it? The fact that the top flag is not easily removable is the main reason I am hesitant to buy it. Thanks
great review, thanks! how are you getting along w it, a few months in? any more complaints? i have the tilta mirage and it's great to have the motor for gimbal work but the color shift is killing me, too much time in post... wanted this bc Nisi's filter quality, but like others have noted, i really, really wish you could add just one more filter, either 4x4 or 4x6.5, it would so, so much more versatile, and yeh in certain situations you're gonna run into issues w vignetting/etc by stacking, but 3 filters isn't too many, and you're able to stack w the Mirage... i wonder... someone told me the C5 filters fit in the Mirage, so maybe i can buy the kit, and when i need to stack 3, put the Nisi filters inside the Mirage matte box.. lol sorry for the novel. but yeh, would love to know if you've experienced any issues w it, I'd like to replace the Tilta VND ASAP. thx again!
Hello, thank you very much for this and for all the videos, they are very clear and beautiful to see. I also use a BMPCC6k with Sigma ART and Pictor Zoom, and my question is if when you use only the VND, without IR ND, in your experience, the black tones turn magenta?
Thanks for watching!! It really depends on the situation and how much ND you are using and with what lenses etc. More often than not I don't notice it but I have my IR Cut or my NISI IRNDs just in case with me for proper projects :)
Thank you!! I love this bag! I’ve been using Tenba products for years and always liked the quality but I had no idea about these bags until Thomas (from the video) brought his 24L backpack. And yes you can get it in shoulder, roller or backpack. I chose the shoulder one because I don’t need the backpack so for me it’s perfect to carry the whole camera kit built especially in a car.
Thanks for the review Flo! I was wondering if you could still use any circular filters with the matte box? I am saying this as I can see myself in the situation where I don't need the full 4 stops of ND, but still would need 1-3 stops with IR cut filter. Therefore by removing the IRND 4 stops, I loose the IR feature, which I could replace with my Hoya circular IR cut filter. Cheers
Thanks for watching! I don’t think you can, I haven’t tried it yet but I don’t think it is deep enough at the back. I haven’t tested this since I have the vnd by itself and would probably use it with my IR cut circular filter if I knew I wouldn’t need more nd, but I do understand why you might want to.
Thanks for this in-depth review! Does the NiSi TC Vario-ND have full stops? (so you’re not able to accidentally rotate the filter further than it’s supposed to be).
Great video, thanks! Have you tried it with the adapter rings on your contax line? As i see the adapter ring leans backwards so it may overlap the focus ring a bit and makes it impossible to use the follow focus since the mattbox blocks the way. I have zeiss jenas and the focus rings are so close to the front so im a bit worried if the c5 compatible with them.
Thank you!! My Contax Zeiss are all 77mm front thread with a step up ring so it works with the C5 since the matte box is quite fare from the focus ring :)
I have the Nisi True Colour VND circular filters used for photography, would I be able to use that Nisi filter in this cinema kit? Is it possible to insert the circular filters from Nisi (like the Mist or CPL from the Nisi Swift system) with this matte box? Or must I buy separately filters for this matte box? Thanks so much
I'm doing quite a lot of outdoor and wildlife shooting myself for a Belgian TV and I'm really surprised that you manage to use a mate box in these conditions... I've the smallrig one and ended up never using it because it's all too bulky, cumbersome to use.. that being said, now, with that rotating wheel ,, and the fact that you can put a rectangular Black Mist .. i suppose it helps avoiding the tunnelling effect when stacking too much filters.. Did you test the system out on say a 16mm lens (full frame) to see if there are issues? Thanks for the extensive review.
Is it posible at attach it to smaller lens with fiter size of 52mm. Nisi website just has adapters from 67mm onwards. Is it possible to use third party adapters. Small rig and tilta have it. TIA
Often times the top hood is not enough under Arizona's bright intense desert sun. I would buy the C5 matte box immediately if it had barn doors on the left and right.
If your'e using the Black Mist filter (Which I basically use ALL the time...), and you want more than 5 stops of ND's, you can't... So, is there a way screw a circular Black Mist on the lens and still use the Matte Box or there is not enough clearance for that? Thanks!
No, you have to use the slots. But You can either use the VND so you have 1 to 5 as you said and if you have to keep a blackmist and still need more ND you can actually get a 4x4 7 stops filter that would replace the VND.
@@OfTwoLands Ah.. ok, thanks.. but that product will only come out in the future I guess? Coz I can't see a 6-9 Stops VND for C5 matte Box on their website...
Great solution but the vast majority of cinema glass has an outer diameter of 104 mm and above - which severely limits its usability - I really dont get why they couldnt size it that little bit up to accomodate standard sizes - a huge missed potential. Of course its not meant for large production sets but still... for my usage it would be perfect but it doesnt fit my most used lenses - so no go.
what I'm hearing is that this mattebox is only compatible with photography, and modern cine lenses. most older and vintage lenses don't have filter threads. and come in all sizes, not just 95mm. I consider that a huge negative
Here is my review of the NISI C5 Matte Box.
Do you own a matte box yet ?
Cheers,
Flo
Thank you for your comprehensive review. It seems this matte box is a definite step up from the Tilta mini (price, size and functionality). Nearly all of my shooting takes place outdoors so I was particularly interested in your explanation of the advantages of the Nisi system in outdoor and brightly lit locations. Definitely one to think about (I already have the Tilta and Small Rig matte boxes but this one seems to fit nicely between them - in more ways than one!).
Thanks for watching!! It really is, as I mentioned in the video it is quite a versatile and useful matte box for a lot of situations. Very well suited for outdoor and run and gun.
Great review ! Dope Matte Box 😜
Haha thanks mate! We should meet up asap :)
Great review - thanks Flor. I agree - the big draw back for me is that if you need the VND and IR - that's all you can do. If you want to add Mist or any other filtration, there is no 2nd level 4 x 5.65 filter tray. Good for beginner's, but not for advanced. Also - that flag looks very weak and flimsy - which is a real shame. I'm kinda on the fence about this one. I could see using it a lot in simple run-and- gun shoots, docs, and fast moving projects as it gives you great control of the amount of light hitting the lens - but for anything that requires more control, you'll need something better. Thanks again.
Thanks!! You can actually use both 4x4 and 4x5.65 filters at the same time. So you can get an IRND 4x4 and then use the 4x5.65 black mist for example. That way you have a 2 filter set up similar to a more traditional matte box.
I have the small rig star trail matte box, it has stackable filter trays that’s the primary reason I got it so I can use as many 4x5.65 filters as I want. I think that’s a big problem solver
@@JimmyBlanco you can stack extras in the Tilta one that comes w the Mirage set, which is what i have, but the color shift is awful. i really wanted this bc Nisi's got such nice filters, but i think not being able to stack at least one more is a dealbreaker... really need one extra slot, i dunno why they'd make it this way other than just being able to come out with one that does have an extra slot later. frustrating
@@JimmyBlanco How is the reliability of the stacking trays? Those support 4mm filters without any issue? I'm thinking of this for new BMPCC 6k fullframe as it has no internal ND
@@OfTwoLandsSorry if I’m just not understanding this, but it sounds like your limited to only 2 filters at a time. My desired setup is to use the variable ND filter built for this system, an IR Cut filter, and a mist filter, is that possible with this system?
Great content. It would be great if you could review the Freewell K2 filters system
Great video, as always.I mostly use photo lenses but I had to buy a matte box anyway, because I couldn’t use Lens hoods with a VND
Got myself a tiny mini matte box from SmallRig :)
Thanks for watching!!
And that makes sense, never thought about it this way.
Great video. Changing filters looks a lot easier on this one compared to my SmallRig, but looks like it only takes one 5x4.65 which is a shame. The IR CUT filter in the swift system is very effective when using the True Colour VND on BMPCC, life saver.
Thanks!! Changing filters is super easy for sure. It takes both 4x4 and 4x5.65 :)
And yes, the IR cut in the Swift system is really good and helpful!
Can you point me to where I can buy the IR cut filter for this system?
goof job bro!
me need it!
Thanks!!
I bought the C5 matte box system a week ago and this review is spot on. Nisi tried a quick fix to enable quick removal of the carbon fiber hoods like some of the other competiors and it was a mistake to me there could of been a better way to do it other than that I like the matte box
Thanks and yes, totally agree!!
Does it allow us to use circular filter ? Great video btw!
Let's say you want to use the VND and the mist at the same time. You would still be missing the IR filter, what approach would you use to achieve that goal? thank you. Very informative video as usual.
If I can offer a critique (with due respect)... Please keep your examples up for longer, especially the side by side comparisons. I can barely see one and before I can see the other the shot is gone. And a question: Have you tried the Small Rig Modular (Star Trail?) matte box? How would that compare to this NiSi? They both seem to be similar, I think it comes down to filter quality and construction of the matte box. I read a couple negative reviews on this C5 and one of the criticisms was unexpected plastic bits on something that should have been metal (I don't recall what the review referred to). I'm in the market for my first matte box for my BMPCC 4K and I want to pick the right one.
Thanks for the great review. Can I ask, did U remove a bracket or hinge from the left side of the top flag? Was this to allow U to remove it? The fact that the top flag is not easily removable is the main reason I am hesitant to buy it. Thanks
great review, thanks! how are you getting along w it, a few months in? any more complaints? i have the tilta mirage and it's great to have the motor for gimbal work but the color shift is killing me, too much time in post... wanted this bc Nisi's filter quality, but like others have noted, i really, really wish you could add just one more filter, either 4x4 or 4x6.5, it would so, so much more versatile, and yeh in certain situations you're gonna run into issues w vignetting/etc by stacking, but 3 filters isn't too many, and you're able to stack w the Mirage...
i wonder... someone told me the C5 filters fit in the Mirage, so maybe i can buy the kit, and when i need to stack 3, put the Nisi filters inside the Mirage matte box..
lol sorry for the novel. but yeh, would love to know if you've experienced any issues w it, I'd like to replace the Tilta VND ASAP.
thx again!
Support for 4 inch filters is interesting. 100mm square filters are available at much lower prices than “professional cinema” 4x5.65 inch filters.
100%! It's great to have the choice or only use or the other.
I just purchased this system and should receive soon. Which Nisi IR Cut filter is best for this system? Where can I buy it?
nice video :) can you use the rotating ND and rotating polariser at the same time?
Thanks!! You can use one rotating and one 4x5.65 at the same time.
Hello, thank you very much for this and for all the videos, they are very clear and beautiful to see. I also use a BMPCC6k with Sigma ART and Pictor Zoom, and my question is if when you use only the VND, without IR ND, in your experience, the black tones turn magenta?
Thanks for watching!! It really depends on the situation and how much ND you are using and with what lenses etc.
More often than not I don't notice it but I have my IR Cut or my NISI IRNDs just in case with me for proper projects :)
@@OfTwoLands Thank you very much for answering... and which Nisi kit do you recommend for BMPCC + Pictor... the Swift or C5?
Great review. How do you like that Tenba bag? I saw they had a roller as well.
Thank you!! I love this bag! I’ve been using Tenba products for years and always liked the quality but I had no idea about these bags until Thomas (from the video) brought his 24L backpack. And yes you can get it in shoulder, roller or backpack. I chose the shoulder one because I don’t need the backpack so for me it’s perfect to carry the whole camera kit built especially in a car.
Hey Flo, did you film these images with the DZO? The images look (even!) more beautiful than you normally have.
Hey, thank you!! Yes I did. This time I used both the 12-25 and 20-55 ☺️
Thanks for the review Flo!
I was wondering if you could still use any circular filters with the matte box? I am saying this as I can see myself in the situation where I don't need the full 4 stops of ND, but still would need 1-3 stops with IR cut filter. Therefore by removing the IRND 4 stops, I loose the IR feature, which I could replace with my Hoya circular IR cut filter.
Cheers
Thanks for watching!
I don’t think you can, I haven’t tried it yet but I don’t think it is deep enough at the back.
I haven’t tested this since I have the vnd by itself and would probably use it with my IR cut circular filter if I knew I wouldn’t need more nd, but I do understand why you might want to.
I would think you could if you had a threaded step up ring like smallrig
Thanks for this in-depth review! Does the NiSi TC Vario-ND have full stops? (so you’re not able to accidentally rotate the filter further than it’s supposed to be).
Thanks for watching! And yes, I believe it does :).
Question: I have a circular mist filter (82mm). Is it possible to use my mist filter inside the C5 matte box?
Great video, I’d watch the comparison if you made it!
Thanks ☺️
Great video, thanks! Have you tried it with the adapter rings on your contax line? As i see the adapter ring leans backwards so it may overlap the focus ring a bit and makes it impossible to use the follow focus since the mattbox blocks the way. I have zeiss jenas and the focus rings are so close to the front so im a bit worried if the c5 compatible with them.
Thank you!! My Contax Zeiss are all 77mm front thread with a step up ring so it works with the C5 since the matte box is quite fare from the focus ring :)
@@OfTwoLands So if i got this straight you stepped them up to 77mm and then use the 77mm to 95mm adapter ring?
@@BognarMarci Correct ☺️
I have the Nisi True Colour VND circular filters used for photography, would I be able to use that Nisi filter in this cinema kit? Is it possible to insert the circular filters from Nisi (like the Mist or CPL from the Nisi Swift system) with this matte box? Or must I buy separately filters for this matte box? Thanks so much
Hi my friend, do you use this mattebox on your contax and vintage lenses? I've fear of damage my lenses using it.
After hearing "only 82mm" I had to give you a like and close the video. 95mm is a must for my Sony 200-600mm G.
82 with a thread, 95 outer :)
@@OfTwoLands I know, the 200-600mm is a 95mm thread, 111mm outer.
I'm doing quite a lot of outdoor and wildlife shooting myself for a Belgian TV and I'm really surprised that you manage to use a mate box in these conditions... I've the smallrig one and ended up never using it because it's all too bulky, cumbersome to use.. that being said, now, with that rotating wheel ,, and the fact that you can put a rectangular Black Mist .. i suppose it helps avoiding the tunnelling effect when stacking too much filters.. Did you test the system out on say a 16mm lens (full frame) to see if there are issues? Thanks for the extensive review.
Thanks for watching!! And yes the combo VND + Black mist is pretty handy. I don't have a full frame sensor so the widest I used was the DZO 12-25.
So you cant stack a PL and the VND filter on this one ????
have you tried the Tilta Mirage MAtte box. Seems you can use circular filters too
I haven’t yet, no! Tilta makes good products for sure!
Is it posible at attach it to smaller lens with fiter size of 52mm. Nisi website just has adapters from 67mm onwards. Is it possible to use third party adapters. Small rig and tilta have it. TIA
It is. Use 52mm to 82mm step up, then screw on 82mm adapter and you're good to go.
Often times the top hood is not enough under Arizona's bright intense desert sun. I would buy the C5 matte box immediately if it had barn doors on the left and right.
That’s a good point!
Does the flag hold up? half of the amazon reviews are saying the flag is flimsy
If your'e using the Black Mist filter (Which I basically use ALL the time...), and you want more than 5 stops of ND's, you can't... So, is there a way screw a circular Black Mist on the lens and still use the Matte Box or there is not enough clearance for that? Thanks!
No, you have to use the slots. But You can either use the VND so you have 1 to 5 as you said and if you have to keep a blackmist and still need more ND you can actually get a 4x4 7 stops filter that would replace the VND.
@@OfTwoLands Ah.. ok, thanks.. but that product will only come out in the future I guess? Coz I can't see a 6-9 Stops VND for C5 matte Box on their website...
You can use screw on Black Mist first, then the adapter for C5. It works. I use 82mm Glimmerglass and C5 with it.
@@kureki147thanks ! Do you experience vignetting or tunnel effect when using wide lenses (16mm) ? Thanks
Thanks, I am eyeing this one for sure, Just got their screw on filters, Wish the flag could be easily removed...
It is a pretty solid system :)
You can remove the flag if you want to.
@@OfTwoLands Thanks, But easily? I heard it was a Pain...?
Great solution but the vast majority of cinema glass has an outer diameter of 104 mm and above - which severely limits its usability - I really dont get why they couldnt size it that little bit up to accomodate standard sizes - a huge missed potential. Of course its not meant for large production sets but still... for my usage it would be perfect but it doesnt fit my most used lenses - so no go.
what I'm hearing is that this mattebox is only compatible with photography, and modern cine lenses. most older and vintage lenses don't have filter threads. and come in all sizes, not just 95mm. I consider that a huge negative
can the c5 stack two 4x4? I know that it only comes with one 4x4 tray. Can always but an extra tray.