I used to come here when destiny would have two or 3,000 viewers a stream, maybe 7,000 if arguing some really spicy political topic. Yesterday there were 55,000 live viewers. What did I miss? I've spent the last 3 months moving and preparing for new job, I must have missed something crazy.
Terrible people who live stream got exposed as terrible people because they gaslit a sexual assault victim and buried the story. Love the cat videos Louis, keep at it :)
Okey. Police comes. There was a gun discharge on the first floor when you were down in the kitchen . You can litteraly say you were there and that you didn't see a gunshot at the same time.
There’s kind of a key difference between a gun discharge and a sketchy social interaction. You can hear a gun shot from outside the room. You can’t hear or in any way witness a conversation, groping, or harassment happening inside the house when you’re outside.
@@sneppen5443 Explain. I didn’t express any judgment or opinion on the matter at hand. I only pointed out a logical flaw in someone’s hypothetical point of comparison. So explain how I lost the plot, bud.
I know how serious this is, but Mitch going “Yo, I’m back” Right in the middle of the emotional silence they were having, is the funniest thing I’ve seen in years. Timestamp cus you guys asked is 1:44:00
He might not have even sexually assaulted her but we will never know. With Slick his history and all the private messages to female streamers coming out he will never be believed. But I do find it strange that the friends said he touched her wrist/neck but a year later turned it into chest. The friend who was there and witnessed it all happening consistently has said it wasn't SA. It would be crazy if it's not true for Slick his sake because obviously with all the creepy messages releasing it looks very bad for him. The sad part is the only witnesses to what happened aren't even being spoken to.
Slick was probably telling him that he meant it as a joke and he didn’t intend to sexual assault her and that he’s very sorry it went down that way blah blah blah. It’s a pretty normal reaction to want to give your best friend who lives with you the benefit of the doubt. Everyone in the comments is going “these twitch streamers are so out of touch” but this is like the exact same shit that goes down in lots of friend groups, unfortunately.
Miz keeps saying that “he’s my best friend, I wanted to make sure he was okay.” He genuinely felt like he knew the truth before he even had all the information or talked to Adrianna. He never said ONCE that he was concerned with Adrianna’a welfare, even before maya and Mitch even went to her house. In his mind, Slick was already innocent or at the very least was the victim of a gross miscommunication. He didn’t send maya or Mitch there to “get the truth” or even see if Adrianna was okay, he sent them there to protect slick from the very beginning.
Train really jumped on miz despite the fact that there is very little evidence and he's just relying solely on barry's interpretation of events since mitch really just heard it from barry and passed it on, apparently. There is nothing solid here at all. It seems like miz and train both had some ulterior motives in the way that they talked about the situation. It's tragic that people have to be caught up in this mess. Train is just making it personal instead of about what actually happened. With all these accusations thrown back and forth, it makes sense that they would want to hear from adriana. She made the accusation in the first place so she should want to be able to clarify as much as possible as long as everything is kept on the level.
Mitch is fine incriminating anybody but himself. He thought he could drop a bomb and dip out and watch them destroy eachother. He even at one point says “I got caught in the middle of the situation” when he is the one who brought it to the person who needed something spicy against Miz. There were no good intentions in what Mitch is doing, even though this is something that needed to come out
@Daniel Foodist Man he did though. He didn’t do the assault but he’s definitely guilty of using his position and the position of the people around him to silence others. And trying to make it seem like SA isn’t a big deal because the assaulted is somebody’s best friend
I don’t think he understood how bad “I’m having a panic attack my best friend is about to get canceled” sounded when his best friend is a creep who’s justly being canceled.
@@Yrgzip0 The thing is, his reasoning there actually makes sense. He's just really, really bad at laying it out. (Most of these people probably would be, for the record, if their asses were on the fire.) His point of interest is the friend, otherwise he'd just keep his nose out of it and let the situation balloon out for the more relevant parties. Being more concerned for your friend than for a stranger isn't a *crime*. Finding out the truth and whether he should completely cut ties with this person who was his best friend, or seriously comfort his best friend and try to save him from a huge cancellation is a justifiable thing. He needed to make harder statements re: "I did not intend to change their story", he needed to get one good consistent paragraph of his version up all at once, and address the relevant points concretely, and not 'just' repeat the best friend thing. From how I read it, he actually didn't intend to do anything devious, he's just really, incredibly stupid at getting that across.
@@rocketrelm1125 I feel you to an extent. This isnt about intentions, its about what happened and they way he choose to deal with it. And this isnt totally separate for miz either, remember he had a hand in covering it up, if he helps down play it then he wont catch as much shit either for covering up his best friends assault of a unconscious woman. There shouldn't be a choice here but cause of the person miz is choosing to be, he's choosing his best friend who is willing to assault a sleeping girl, over a stranger his best friend assaulted.
Isn't it funny that all of this Twitch drama and scandals are now being covered exclusively from an impartial lens by a banned streamer (on twitch) on UA-cam with a girl's name?
@@Odinsday And people have been trying to cancel him regularly too. Been called racist, transphobic, homophobic, a pedophile etc. My man still comes back. All this against a streamer with a girl's name
when they say sexual assault they think raping someone, not groping someone they were all calling it sexual harassment until a few days ago, none of these fuckers knew that assault starts right when someone gets touched they didnt think this was a big deal, they're a bunch of morons
The 1st statement was his true beliefs hence why he kept repeating it, the 2nd statement was a virtue signal when he realized how bad his 1st looked to the other callers. Dude is very Machiavellian and intelligent.
Asmongold is one of my favorite streamers. I was really nervous that he was in this call, because I really had no idea what this drama was about until a couple hours ago. But I’m really glad he was a part of this call now- he’s the only one in that call that doesn’t live in the echo chamber their brain dead chats create.
Ye, as much as I condemn Mizkif for the way he spoke about the situation in the past and for not doing more to find out more from Adriannah sooner, Train annoyed the hell out of me. He took every chance he could to spin the narrative he wanted. Even when it was backed up by very little evidence. The real problem was not talking to Adriannah himself, regardless of his streamer status. This got messy as soon as he sent someone else. Theres no real way to prove that he didnt tell Maya what to say. But at the same time theres no way to prove that he did. It could only be his word versus hers, and Ive no doubt if they agreed we'd be having this conversation all over again.
So the chronology of the situation is, Slick tried to molest a sleeping Adrianah multiple times, and the act was witnessed by her friends. Adrianah herself wasn't aware of his actions. Then Adrianah's friends told her about it, and she wanted to tell twitter. Miz and Maya found out and tried to find out the truth from Adrianah, whom we know wasn't actually aware of what's actually happened because she was asleep. So Maya uses that fact to gaslight Adrianah into thinking that maybe, just maybe, Slick wasn't actually trying to harass her, he was just drunk. They succeeded to make her downplay her own harassment with the promise that they would let her into their circle of large streamers. Miz then downplays Slick's actions on stream multiple times by saying it wasn't "rape". Years go by, but Slick wasn't done with harassing Adrianah. He went around, stalking Adrianah and messaging any streamer who dares to collab with her that she's bad news. Maya and Miz claims they never knew Slick does this, so that's why all this goes under the radar. Adrianah herself only found out from her steamer friends who got messaged by Slick after streaming with her. Miz covered up for his "best friend", and actually thought his blind faith was a virtue. Maya is a master gaslighter with a kind demeanor, even now. Adrianah was initially blinded by the opportunity for clout and fell victim to Maya's gaslighting, causing Slick to be able to slither away to continue his harassment.
@kurokjo That just reads like the same story told by someone looking to justify their actions. Whatever the intentions were at the time, sending people invested in the outcome of catastrophic news for your friends is going to influence the telling of that news
so slick could’ve got away with this horrendous act if he just didn’t try and tell ppl to not work with adrianah ? seems like a stupid play from slick considering he’s the perpetrator
@@kurokjo9107 but you stopped your version early. After Adrianah’s twitlonger, she was ostracized by Maya, Miz, and people around them. There are people who claim they witnessed this firsthand when they attended events with Adrianah. Why would Miz and Maya act like that to a person who minimized her own sexual assault to help Slick, who is their friend? It seems more likely that Miz and Maya’s pressure to downplay Slick’s wrongdoings was intentional and they continued to cover for Slick by allowing him to continue his campaign of harassment against Adrianah and even participated in it themselves. They convinced Adrianah that downplaying Slick’s assault would be good for her career and that they would help boost her if she did this solid for them. Then after Adrianah made good on her end of the deal, they said “thanks sucker” and tried to ostracize her out of existence so that no one would ever have to be reminded of the entire ordeal ever again.
Like it really is so insane neither Maya nor ArianahLee who are probably two of the most important people in this case aren't there. So much of the back and forth could be disputed if they were both also in the convo to actually give the facts here. It makes a real situation turn into a high school debate rather than a personal inquiry into a crime.
@@ThaPinkGuy Yes, let's just make baseless assumptions about these people's motives and intentions. It's not like there's any other explanations, like not Adrianah understandably not wanting to talk so much about a pretty horrible event in her life, and Maya potentially having gaslit a SA survivor and downplayed what happened to her so the perpetrator won't get cancelled.
@@idontcare9041 It didn't happen live. It was a private call and it was leaked. I saw in an article that it was possibly Train who leaked it but obviously nobody knows that for sure. Maybe Destiny? Either way, this didn't help resolve anything since Maya and Adrianah weren't there when they should have been. I see people keep saying Mitch is untrustworthy and Barry could be exaggerating what Maya said. I don't know if either have said anything about what Barry mentioned. Someone let me know if they did
It's really frustrating that during this entire call no one brings up the smoking gun clip where Miz literally says that what happened to Adriana was sexual assault, meaning that at some point he learned what happened and has actively covered it up. It proves that it doesn't matter what Miz did or knew this night when he sent Maya over, what matters is he did learn at some point and never said or did anything.
@@stephenmason1028 I realized somewhere after halfway through that this was before she even went live, so this call makes Miz look even far worse. I know very little about these streamers but holy shit it's fucking over lmao.
That clip was old right, like, that was around the time the SA actually happened and not recent? Maybe none of them know about it yet at that moment? Idk how viral that clip was before all this.
@@junlim7330 this call was right before Adrianah went live exposing Slick and Miz. It sounds like it happened shortly after Train dropped the tweet that started this.
If I wasn’t answering someone calls and then they showed up at my house I would feel so uncomfortable. Like that alone is a lack of respect of people boundaries. If someone doesn’t want to talk LEAVE THEM ALONE
Really good point, Adrianah's only actual input here is that she didnt give the ok for Maya and others to come over when she wasnt returning their calls, but they got the go ahead to come over from another person of the house.. that is a pretty uncomfortable situation.
I once hung out with a friend at his place, or rather: I was gaming by myself whilst he was arguing for hours with his jealous girlfriend on the phone All of a sudden he took down his phone and looked at me, terrified: "we need to lock the doors. She's coming" I just remember how panicked he seemed. Was actual lunacy. It's just like... If people end a phone call early or if they don't wanna pick up the phone in the first place, DON'T assume to seek them out irl. That will only worsen everything. Respect people's boundaries, be adult about it, and don't pursue them In their homes. That's so unbelievably intrusive I still remember his terrified look to this day.
Thats a tough ask Empress. Especially when its a conversation with this level gravity and not just being mad over pokemon cards. People sometimes take their own life unable to face things, or anything else... so when a friend or a person I personally know would not answer a phone on a scale of something like this, either I would go or would send someone close to that person to check on that person and see them through to their next course of actions. I get what you are saying, but context always matters. Maybe I am a weirdo for thinking that way, but If a person does not answer a phone long time - or at least text back to leave alone, I become super worried some harm has come to them.
@@MALITH666 Your life and friends also aren't constantly in a spot light on every single small move you make. It's easy to make the judgement when you can disappear and nothing happens besides the people close to you wondering where you went. Of course something that's in a spotlight has a different affect then the average person. They need to figure out what is going on and what to do because once the media gets ahold of something when your life is like this it's completely different then what you can possible imagine how it gets skewed in the environment of content. Ever seen TMZ you think those stories are facts? They do whatever is best for content and people are going to these celebs to figure out what actually happened and majority have PR teams on 24/7 stand by to stop stuff like this from coming to light because it would go down like this. We have to remember these people are like celebs and we can't relate we are fucking normies.
This may be an odd takeaway... With Miz being such a big part of OTK I was concerned for the blowback the Org would take, like how Method got nuked sort of thing. So my takeaway from this call is this leak is probably the best thing that could have happened to OTK. Asmongold's leadership, and his demeanor and words in this call, probably saved OTK from major issues. This being a supposed private call as well makes it all the more credible that he means it and is taking it deadly serious. Really impressed with him
I looked up the laws and precedent for the Texas courts. The courts are likely to consider crazyslicks acts to be sexual harassment ( a civil charge) rather than sexual assault ( a criminal charge). As such it will likely be impossible to charge mizkif with anything as he can not be charged with conspiracy as no crime was committed and he can not be charged as an accomplice following the same logic. Mizkif should sue for defamation/ slander
@@dylanfitzpatrick9423 I don't believe anyone is accusing Miz of committing a crime. He's just been a terrible person who allowed a creep to be creepy without repercussion. Can't really sue for defamation/slander because 1) The claims against him seem to be valid 2) As a public figure you would have to prove in court that the person accused of defamation was acting with actual malice which could only possibly apply to those who were in those original conversations after the incident. But Miz doesn't even really refute those claims so he has no cause or reason to sue.
I'm only 40 min in so I might be jumping the gun but damn it sounds gross to hear Miz seem to ask for pity because of his friendship and emotions, over and over again while plotting to send people over there for any reason, he didn't stop once to think about Adri, only himself and Slick. He didn't even think how this would look for Mitch, Maya etc.
would u of preferred he went himself or brought slick? i dont get how u find that more of an issue then the guy who is under pressure from gambling drama LEAKING another persons SA story to change the subject. Im not saying miz isnt wrong im saying ur mad at the weirdest detail
@@burntemail3950 That's is such an unbelievably stupid take. Going himself or sending someone else to talk to Adrianna's is bad. Train didn't name any names and Adrianna had given him the green light on saying anything at all. Now I know that's complicated for smooth brains to understand so I'll explain it here; Train brought light to there being an assault, then Adrianna went live to say her piece while the spot light shone on her situation. Simple. Mizkif needed to sit back and wait to see if there are any inconsistencies in Adrianna's story and go from there, never to send someone to talk in any context on the situation until after the victim has the opportunity to say her piece, and she's comfortable speaking on it with you.
@@TheMoinomedian "train brought light to there being an assault" we can play this game bucko. Train clearly was cornered by his addiction catching up to him and decided to weaponize some dirt hes been holding onto for a while. And since were getting extra delusional if shes not comfortable speaking to them why let them in the first place its not like they broke in not their fault adrianna cant function like an adult and if u wanna give anymore excuses about her pain then call the cops dont cry on twitter the moment your freind gets cornered. Realisticly if u want to say there is a better way of handling this ill just mock u with ur own point since theres clearly a better way adriannah could of gone about this instead of trusting a junkie to weaponize her story. and if this was in court im confident train would lose the most of this highschool dramafest.
Around 1:17:35 it became very clear that this isn't about Adrianna for Miz and Train. Really just feels like they've had personal issues with each other and this was used as a reason to bite at Miz' throat. While Asmongold and Xqc are actually keeping the conversation focused on Adrianna, (despite lacking two crucial testimonies). It's like two different conversations are happening at the same time the whole way through. Because around 1:38:00 or so you've just got them talking bout nothing but other accusations and shit that doesn't matter. Miz saying stuff like "Train, weren't a buncha girls coming out saying you were getting super sexual, super touchy," or whatever is like... grasping at straws looking for a reason to delegitimize the original conversation. Like all this "you're bad too, you're bad too" shit is really annoying. Deflecting 100%. ...Why am I so interested in this dumb drama lol
Watching streamers destroy themselves will always be the most engaging content on social media because it's clickbait enough for people to want to know what it's about and drama enough for people to care. Asmon is clearly the singular voice of reason in most of this conversation and watching him deal with this makes it very obvious to me that it's just another thing on his plate that gives reason to him not wanting to stream on his main channel. Regardless, this sort of conversation isn't the first to have been put public on the internet and it most certainly won't be the last. In fact, I bet most of us have been in this kind of scenario before, which is all the more reason this is relatable when it happens to our favorite streamer(s). And when all is said and done, I bet most streamers in this conversation will have a bigger following than before this happened due to the publicity this is all getting.
Mitch is the biggest two faced liar. From the start with screwing Reckful over by leaking the car detail he promised not to reveal to crying how he loses all his friends for no reason when he backstabs, lies and plays off any sort of drama. Guy is the biggest snake I've ever seen.
Not true y’all just want him to say they sat down like villains and orchestrated a plan. 😂😂😂 He’s allowed to make it clear they talked about a situation and what to do like normal people. The outcome is slick is now gone. But people wanna create a fake perspective on what we all know is normal human behaviours “SITTING DOWN ADDRESSING AND FINDING THE RIGHT MANNER TO FIX OR REMOVE A SITUATION”
Mitch is the biggest two faced liar. From the start with screwing Reckful over by leaking the car detail he promised not to reveal to crying how he loses all his friends for no reason when he backstabs, lies and plays off any sort of drama. Guy is the biggest snake I've ever seen.
miz is too dumb to explain it right.. he didn't even know what was being accused when he "sent" them .... it was meant to find out what happened and help his friend soft land it.. it wasn't to cover anything up or intimidate anyone
@@Imac7065 Honestly I feel like that's the issue. Mizkif is smart when it comes to business, great at telling a joke, but when it comes to conveying his thoughts in a serious manner he is completely inept. He is saying one thing but his poor use of language implicates the opposite and it seems like he genuinely doesn't understand the inconsistency. A smart orator would never consistently say the wrong things the way Mizkif has in this video even if their goal was to play dumb.
@@Imac7065 watched the full parts. Miz is 100% complicit. He didnt tell anyone to act some way but he did talk to them in a way that provokes them to do something about the situation. He never told directly what to do or what Maya to say and seeing as Maya was good friends with Slick as well, then what she told, her tone and the message she gave might be completely hers. But that doesnt excuse him of what he and others did after the fact, like the blacklisting and shit. He 100% tried to cover it up and downplay it maybe not cut and dry in the first instance but quite clearly even after the incident. Too bad this Mitch guy is too pussy to say it with Mizkif's face and wants to act like the hero, the victim and just a bystander at the same time. And Train's part sucks as well because he sucks at arguing (focusing on wrong points and making big claims without presenting his argument, properly), is presented by a witness that flip flops on his head and details he doesnt want to share as readily because its involving stuff he wants adriana/whoever first party is involve's permission.
Asmongold is the poster boy for someone who is physically, mentally, and emotionally unhealthy from all the attic dwelling filled with nothing but junk food and video games. Sprinkle that with tens of thousands of fans who agree with everything he says daily for years letting him think he's some sort of moral authority.
Maya admitted on her own stream that she helped the victim write it and even told her to include “it wasn’t sexual assault”. The question NOW is if miz sent her with that purpose in mind (which it sounds like) OR if she acted on her own.
God I hope asmon never changes. He doesn't need the spotlight to get shit done and he is the exact person you want running things behind the scenes. You don't literally have the entire organization crumbling because of one incident because of him. It's why the rest of OTK feels so confident in their positions as well. They don't need to constantly talk about and address it because asmon is handling everything
Honestly even if he only sent Maya because he thought he was intimidating I still think his reasoning is super off. He keeps saying he did it to protect slick essentially not to see what he may have done. It just really comes off like he's 10x more concerned about making sure his friend doesn't get canceled then hearing out both sides of what actually happened. I have had experiences with certain men in the past who refuse to believe their friend could be creepy with women and it's always really frustrating to deal with. It's definitely not all men but it's common to a degree.
"He is my best friend", "I can't be friends with someone that sexually assaulted people", "If your best friend gets cancelled, you have to act". So basically they can't hang out anymore if the story gets out, therefore he had to act. I have no idea why Miz thought this makes him sound less suspicious but he kept repeating it a lot.
Well, it is his friend. It’s not unreasonable for all of these statements to be his reaction tbh. With no context, you’d want to help your friend and not just call him a rapist off the bat. And also when I saw Trains initial tweet, it did read like Mizkif did the SA. The accusation wasn’t clear. Train clarified in a later tweet, but is Mizkif’s ask to delete the initial tweet so crazy when it perceived like he committed the actual crime? Feels like it’s farming a cancel movement.. unless I’m missing something.
Because, dude 😎, bros before hoes dude 😎, except he's a guy that takes a stance like that fully to heart as a principle, and not like, a half serious suggestion to not let long standing friendships erode over the unhealthy worship of a love interest 😎. A woman who was violated not getting justice and closure is collateral against the preservation of a deep seated long standing friendship. It's unironically rape culture.
@@jcherryo i dont really think so. the 1st tweet only implies that he helped bury a sexual assault allegation. at least that was my what i got out of it when i read it.
@@LaMiGrAFrAnK a lot of it imo is absolutely weak. Mostly hearsay and narrative based arguments that ascribe intention to actions without the necessary testimony to give context, ie mayas and adrianas. This is what I meant by appreciating the rules of evidence. The best evidence is always first hand. And if credibility of first hand evidence is in question, corroboration helps a lot
I looked up the laws and precedent for the Texas courts. The courts are likely to consider crazyslicks acts to be sexual harassment ( a civil charge) rather than sexual assault ( a criminal charge). As such it will likely be impossible to charge mizkif with anything as he can not be charged with conspiracy as no crime was committed and he can not be charged as an accomplice following the same logic. Mizkif should sue for defamation/ slander. Is my initial analysis flawed?
Watching Mitch fumble through trying to turn off alerts and then his stream breaking has to be one of the funniest things I’ve seen on stream this year.
Mitch is the biggest two faced liar. From the start with screwing Reckful over by leaking the car detail he promised not to reveal to crying how he loses all his friends for no reason when he backstabs, lies and plays off any sort of drama. Guy is the biggest snake I've ever seen.
I feel like miz admits at least ten times that he was trying to protect his friend which suggests it was to silence her, there can't be any other meaning to helping his friend by doing that. (Supporting your friend would be different and not involve what they did) People who are innocent don't need to have their friends go to the house of the victim uninvited to "talk them off the cliff". Obviously this is twitch but that's usually considered intimidating a witness/victim. The fact that a topic of conversation had anything to do with her twitch career is probably the biggest red flag. It's irrelevant when an accusation this serious comes up, the priority is figuring out what happened not warning the side effects of coming forward. That's the definition of intimidation.
It could be that but it could also be he is saying to protect him meaning he isn't sure what happened and wanted them to find out and not have someone accuse him for no reason. I feel apart of the misunderstanding is Miz doesn't know how to convey his thoughts in a way to make them completely clear. I'm not saying he didn't have the intent of downplaying or whatever but it could have also be that he was worried that someone is going to accuse his friend for something that didn't happen and since he wasn't aware of what happened and just wanted to get the facts. Either way, they did this completely wrong and kept the conversation away from the actual problem.
He's smart, and he is not a clout goblin. He also stresses there is no such thing as speaking truth, only speaking your truths, and they can change with analysis. Plus if you like factorio, I mean tune in!
He's very intelligent, can speak well publicly, and has studied/taken classes in conflict resolution. He's a breath of fresh air in todays hyper-partisan, willingly lying to push narratives media space.
@@RussianSoviet102s Because the PC stance is absolutely no questioning the narrative, in this case the trans narrative about sports in particular. He dared to say he doesnt think m2f trans should compete at the top level in womens divisions. He has a long history of standing up to the PC narrative and its too much of a brand risk for twitter and twitch since the extreme left currently holds the power to get people cancelled and pressure advertisers to pull support from platforms.
Miz's continued fixation on the consequences for _him,_ coupled with his inability to be angry with the right person (Slick) for causing all of this, is excellent evidence that he did what he's being accused of -- and that he would do it again, in a heartbeat.
This call also took place before adrianahs stream coming out with more details and we never heard from miz after more stuff came out. A year ago the position was that this wasn't sexual assault and it was stated explicitly in the original twitlonger, up until a week ago this was her stance, so I'd believe that miz just didn't know the severity of slicks actions. Miz has logs from a year ago saying that if this is bad he would kick slick out of his house, now that more has come out about slick mix kicked him out. In my opinion miz was just more trusting of his best friend than someone he doesnt know, and now that more has come to light it's clear that slick has just been a disgusting liar the whole time, I dont really think miz is in the wrong here because it just seems like he didn't know anything.
@Lala Emm of course I’d cover, how else can women learn to stop fake accusations. i literally heard my boss’s wife, who is stupid as fk, say how she could “make things up”. Zero consequences for women. like my ex’s sister crying her way out of a DUI pretending her bf broke up with her
Mitch on his stream giving a solid “yes” to whether or not Miz deliberately instructed Maya to manipulate Adri is the only thing from last night that matters. There, I just saved you 2 hours. Im 40. I stayed up for the whole stream. What is wrong with my life…
miz sounds completely self interested in just wanting to keep his friendship with slick him saying "figuring out whats going on" sounds like "finding out that nothing bad happened" when he says "hes my best friend" "i dont want to lose him" "hes sitting there depressed" as to why he sent people to adrianah
Well most important he does want to be taken to court. And of course he doesn't want his friend get in trouble. I have an uncle who to this day is technicly looked for the court in Haga. I don't want him to go to jail either and he is 62 now .
As I see it from the moment mizkif knew about the sexual assault with crazy slick he put every girl including Emiru in danger when going to his house. Also the twitlonger is sick in itself, Maya standing there having essentially a fake convo for "reassurance" incase this sexual assault ever came to light. It's concerning how much of the story we are hearing from them and not the victim.
Channel growth has been insane lately. 495k to 526k subs in 13 days. Keffals getting Destiny banned from Twitch only made him more relevant had gave him a larger reach.
If Mitch didn't open his mouth and leak it to Trainwrecks then CrazySlick, Mizkif, and Maya would have gotten away with it and the SA victim would've been permanently screwed and ostracized.
1:00:30 This part could have some heavy indications. If I'm not mistaken, I remember somewhere earlier in the call where Mizkif said they we're trying to get a hold of her by any means necessary, because they we're so concerned and wanted to know what happened. Around this timestamp, Train points out that it was irresponsible to not take the hint, by her not answering them, that she didn't want to tell them anything, and that she doesn't owe them any explanation about what happened. (there is a clear reason she wouldn't want to talk to them about it that Train pointed out as well, because Miz is Slicks best friend, and that there's a giant conflict of interest there). After Train points out that Adrianah doesn't owe Miz an explanation, I think Miz realized that what he was saying looks bad, and switches to denying that he was trying to get a hold of her a lot, and starts heavily downplaying that point.
1:24:22 Adding to my earlier comment. Destiny states that Adrianah points out, she didn't give permission to Mitch and Maya to show up to her house. This would further implicate Miz, Mitch, and Maya because not only was she not answering them, but evidently she didn't want them to come over and have to talk with them. This also makes me wonder, if that's the case; why would Berry, her friend, take Mitch and Maya to her house if she didn't give them permission to come over? Interesting. EDIT: at 2:06:50 XQC points out that everytime Berry has been brought to the stand, he gets in like one thing and they get distracted and off topic, and that Berry hasn't said much. Destiny points it out that he should be saying more, and it could be odd that he isn't. I agree, I think that everytime Berry is brought up to speak, he says the least amount he can and is very short in detail, despite him being there for the entire process. I also thought this tied in well with the first part of this reply, about him taking Mitch and Maya to Adrianah even though she didn't want them there.
@@Culturedtuna1 The reason Barry isn't saying much is because the story of what happened here is very simple, but being blown up as this huge complicated mystery. Train is right, Miz pretty much admitted he sent Maya over because he was "concerned for his best friend" not because he wanted to know what happened. There's no mystery here. Someone who is honest and innocent will not need loud and dramatic tales. Their statements will be very simple and straightforward.
Backpedaling the Tour de Twitch. He also says at the start he never sent them over there, then says multiple times he sent them because he needed to know what happened. . .
Slick is miz’s bestfriend and as he said all of their best friends. Any of them going is a conflict of interest… the fact they’re even arguing over that is funny.
A friend has to asks you whats wrong, a good friend has a shoulder for you to cry on, but a best-friend knows where to bury the bodies. The problem isn’t that he’s a good friend, the problem is that he’s burying a body.
Watching the stream live with multiple chats was so great to see all these communities get mad at each other and find out the truth of some of these streamers.
Bro at like an hour and 30 minutes in the conversation derails so hard i was just in shock. They went from sexual assault testimony to hurling personal insults and venting past anger.
@@walaaya2223 im saying it could be some great content like the raj love or host thing but like a spin off called the court of public opinion because thats real and they could get ahead of the curve
I can absolutely see a scenario where Mizkif asked Maya to go over to speak to Adrianna directly to confirm what happened, before making the huge decision to kick his friend of four years out the house and cutting all ties. It actually seems pretty plausible and reasonable. The problem is that Mizkif is doing a terrible job defending himself.
My thoughts exatly and Mitch is the worst witness I've ever heard. His recollection of the "planning" was so vague... basically "like he said this and then we did that like whatever you know". Him leaving the call with Destiny was cherry on the top lmao
Exactly. Dude can barely speak when he isn't being canceled and being accused over covering up sa. Why would people think he could properly defend and explain himself? Especially with train screaming and twisting mitch words the whole fucking time
I feel as though the most important thing here is that Miz, Maya and Mitch wanted to be involved in Adrianah releasing her story. Just let her write the twitlonger with her friends (who actually witnessed the event) and then respond. Miz kept harping on about how he needs to find out whether or not he needs to kick Slick from his life, but can you imagine if Weinstein's best friend started going around to talk to his victims before they released their stories and how incredibly fucked that would be? If they had just waited for the twitlonger and not gone over to the house that almost all of this could have been avoided.
i think the issue with that is Miz made it (more or less) clear that he didn’t know that Adriannah was coming out with that twitlonger before sending Maya and Mitch
This is what baffles me.. I'm pretty sure that friends or relatives of a perp have no place to approach the victim..In fact it's illegal since what this guy did was an actual crime
Even playing devil's advocate with miz telling the truth it was braindead of him to send anyone over to talk to her. The move to find out what happened was to go to everyone who was there and witnessed it. Then after confirming what happened only talking to her about how she wants to go forward with this event. Whether she want to make it a big deal or handle it behind close doors.
Need to hear from Maya. Did she really gaslight and try to downplay and threaten clout ?? That Mitch guy is a marble mouth who can’t speak in facts. Painful to listen to.
@@kjahorski hate to say this bc I like Maya, but even if she didn't intend to manipulate, her being there and asking questions felt like intimidation. It was totally the wrong move.
@@kjahorski Mitch was bad but even if Maya didn't try to gaslight her she should have known how fucked it was for her to even go there. The big streamer who can decide whether she has a thriving career or not sends his girlfriend to check on her side of a story involving his best friend fucking up. The only reason to try to get the story out of her ahead of time is either your trying to bury it or your trying to get ahead of it for damage control both of which are terrible. Any question and misunderstandings could have been addressed after the tweet was sent. This is a situation where intent no longer matters because of how blatantly bad the actions were.
There's a big difference between "it's braindead to send her over" and "he intentionally and sent Maya to suppress a rape allegation". You can be concerned about your friend.
It is inherently problematic to send someone over to hear the story when the story is known to be coming out shortly, the fact that someone can send humans TO YOUR HOME after you even attempt to come out with a story is intimidation
This whole thing sounds so silly. Guys and girls get playfully groped (if that’s what happened) everyday, all around the world. I’ve seen black-out drunk male friends get their crotches grabbed at parties by girls (and guys for that matter), or had sexual acts simulated to them by girls (with pictures), butt pokes, etc. Its not good, and it’s dumb and childish, but it’s not the end of the world. The fact that the his incident escalated to where it has is ridiculous. The dude should have apologized, been remorseful, done the public self-flagellation and said he would get counseling … and he would have been cleared by now. Instead … there are multiple lawsuits from both sides, the guy is still canceled, and the “victim” is bankrupt and probably going to lose all her money on the case. Everyone loses.
@@clip3849i would argue that it depends on the person. If it were my family or something I would be thinking it’s their worry for my safety, if it’s coworkers&/friends that know both me and the abusive person; intimidating af.
@@studentism lol, 50% being mean. And 50% is i think its dumb to admit "id be all up in that pathos". Its one thing to recognize bias and another thing to just be a dumbass with no control.
Nah its more like Train: mizkif u sent maya to threaten and control adrianah Mizkif: train no I only sent maya to finger the pulse of the situation Mitch: I can copy poki and talk for 30 minutes without saying anything. Also i was not even there when maya spoke to adrianah but somehow I am the person with all the knowledge Barry: wanna watch me switch side between the two perspectives every second? Destiny: maya and mizkif are the same person What we really need are maya and mizkif in the same call to first find out what mizkif really told maya Then maya and Adrianah in the same call to find out what maya told adrianah
@@boxtupos7718 out of curiosity, is it worse for someone to non consensually rub their dick on your face while you are conscious or unconscious? 🤔 like it sucks either way, and if you are awake you have to actually experience the face rub, but if you are unconscious it’s a complete loss of control so maybe it feels more fucked up after the fact
"Asmongold has the capacity to lead all these people but he's too busy playing world of warcraft" -- Top tier commentary (To be clear this quote was a joke, not to be taken seriously)
I believe August gets a substantial percentage of the youtube revenue. That's why he puts so much effort in them (besides the other reasons that i am not aware of)
If i have to hear xqc interrupt one more discussion at a crucial point i will video game myself. Asmon about to hammer Mitch to a yes or no and xqc " let me be the voice of reason" raised my pulse by like 60
"The reason why I sent Maya... Is because Maya is much more liked, people respect her, and I feel like Maya can talk to these girls." Boom. There it is. That's exactly what you'd say, if you were trying to cover it up. If Maya got sent over to find "facts"... Why does any of that matter? They should have sent my boy, Asmongold. He would have cut through the BS in 10 minutes and figured out the facts of the situation. He also told Miz to cut all ties, and kick Sliker the F out of the house because it endangers the entire org. While Miz wanted to "protect his best friend". Maybe choose better friends Miz, ever think of that? Then you wouldn't have to help cover up their SA...
This is unreal. In what universe is it OK for friends of someone who is accused of sexual assault to conduct an investigation consisting of questioning the purported victim, PRIOR to the victim making her statement, ESPECIALLY when there is a lopsided power dynamic where the investigators are big twitch streamers who can make or break careers "investigating" a smaller streamer for her accusations against their "best friend". Can you imagine how you'd react in the real world (because these people are living in some alternate reality it seems) if you heard friends of an accused rapist decided to question a victim prior to them making a statement to the police? Would you seriously ask yourself "maybe the friends just really wanted to know 'what happened' out of concern for their friend"? What if you found out that the friend doing the investigation was the boss and the victim was his or her subordinate? These people are either completely tone-deaf imbeciles or this was purposefully done, as trainwrecks accuses, with the intention of minimizing the damage done to their friend. I have no idea who this Maya person is, but it's rather unbelievable that she wouldn't realize in that moment that she should absolutely NOT make contact with the accuser, especially in private, especially when she is a much bigger streamer who can impact the smaller streamers career. Not sure how I got sucked into watching this drama since I try to stay away from twitch and most social media squabbles altogether, but now that I got some information as to what is going on it just seems to me these there is something seriously wrong with the entire lot of them. I think Destiny is also a bit too fixated on the competing narratives and which side is better supported by the evidence, because the fact is that you're never going to have any direct evidence of wrongdoing by Miz or Maya short of a confession. What Destiny should have said from the get-go is what I said above. Trainwrecks likewise got a bit too baited by Miz in the conversation - I could tell he was trying to communicate something along the lines of what I said but he wasn't doing a very good job of it, because he was accusing Miz of something that Miz could easily deny.
I think that a point where they could argue in their favour is that they think they know the character of their "best friend" but if whatever the accusations are were true then them living with him would be a problem, not just for their careers but for the safety of the women that may visit the streamer house, so they would need to know whether they should kick him out or not, nothing wrong with due diligence Also the power dynamic probably wouldn't matter much because if they blatantly threatened someone in to hiding a S.A case then all she would need to do is come out with her story and get everyone involved cancelled, it wouldn't matter how big you were
I just wanted to know why this dude Barry called them and told them that their friend is going to get canceled why tell them that and not let her just tell her story it kinda seems like they wanted something out of it....
@@helldeirch No, what he's saying is not go after the victim before she becomes the accuser. If they visited after her accusations it would be a lot less weird, still conflicting tho. Let's say you want to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, wait for both sides to give their statements/evidence of the case then make an informed decision. There's no universe where you try to be a PI in this situation, unless you want something out of it.
True , if you friend fucks up , you should help them own up to it and pay , that doesn't mean you have to abandon them or completely cut ties , just help them get through it and grow and become a better person .
@@swiftchancellor159 Dude between all these dramas Mitch was ALWAYS somewhere in the background. That beanie is probably hiding information we couldn't even conceive of.
Adrianna has to give her account of what Maya said to her and if she felt she was being coerced. Maya has to come out with her version simultaneously, with her story lining up with Adrianna’s perfectly. If it turns out there was any coercion or downplay, streamers should excise Miz, Maya, Slik and Mitch, and maybe have them banned for conspiring to omit an SA.
" I sent Miya and Mitch there to make sure Slick is okay " Miya proceeds to gaslight Adriana supposedly, and supposedly even threatens her streaming career. The result? Slick doesn't get blown up for SA. Miz, this is exactly what Train and X are saying. You don't have to tell Miya word for word what to do. She didn't need to hear it from you anyways. You sent them with one goal, make sure Slick is okay. Under those orders, they made sure Slick was okay and according to Barry that involved gas lighting and even threatening Adriana's streaming career. You have to eat that. What you should have done was sent them over with the orders of ' find out what happened and if Adriana is okay ' that is how a neutral third party would respond to allegations. You didn't, you protected Slick from the very beginning because he's your best friend.
Or just be real simple and don't send your recon team to scout the victim of an assault that didn't involve you. Adrianah doesn't seem like the type of person who'd have tried to destroy Slicks career or anything like that if they didn't handle it so terribly. If he honestly just wanted to check on her he could've DMed or called.
This comment gave me brain rot. You're assuming so much. Also, you're a moron if you think he should have sent anyone to that house at all. A neutral third party doesn't send people to your house for information gathering. Also, none of them are even neutral 3rd party, they were already part of it before sending them over. Also, we have no idea what the intention truly was for them being sent to the house.
21:45 I recommend watching his alt channel, Destiny. Zackrawrr on YT. This is where he speaks from the heart and from the dome. He is extremely level-headed and socially aware as well as has a good grasp on socioethical and sociophilosophical matters. It's the same for almost every person in the limelight who is somewhat of a meme. People are satisfied with pogging over (or hating on) the meme that they don't care to look beyond it. In Asmon's case that is a massive mistake. One that I made myself until ~4 years ago.
Do we even know it is SA because the girl herself said it wasnt. With all the experience we have with false accusations people are still making this mistake, allowing girls to get free clout by destroying guy's reputations. I don't know if CrazySlick is the pinnacle of morality (probably not) but seriously? are you such children you cant ask questions when something like this happens. She hears from her (probably) drunk friends she was being molested, Slick says he was checking if she was still alive (reasonable) and everyone just assumes the drunk friends are correct. Like what?
@@kevin23 if they’re accused why would you not side with the victim until further prove does show if it was guilty or innocent instead of blaming the victim and automatically thinking they’re lying especially when there’s moments in the past that resurface and show their true colors.
@@amygarcia8857 It makes sense if its your best friend that you would feel more inclined to be on their side instead of the victims. Its not great but its just human nature, you cant just turn off/erase emotions you have towards someone the second you hear something bad about them.
Factorio is the farthest thing from a "300 IQ" game lmao... once you get used to the basic mechanics, it's easy af to do it on autopilot, just like any game with micromanagement as its core mechanic.
I find it quite annoying how much some of these people spend talking about how hard this is for them and how emotional they are over this happening and yeah I’m sure it’s stressful but all I care about is how stressful this is for the person that was sexually assaulted. I truly do not care how hard it is for anybody else. Her abuser’s roommates called her repeatedly and then showed up to her house to get her to tell them her sexual assault story and ask if it really happened. That’s traumatic I would be terrified even if their demeanor appeared to be friendly. If my friend told me that was happening to tell I would say do not open the door and have police remove them. She was going to say something and that situation feels very unsafe.
EXACTLY ⬆⬆⬆ it's just nonstop boohooing from these grown men and then fighting over completely unrelated beef. and as others have said, in what world is it normal to hear somebody was allegedly assaulted and then send multiple people over there to interrogate them over it, with a clear bias towards their rapist lol. this should be going to the police and the fact that we instead have a bunch of adult children making it into drama is horrifying.
To me the most shady part is just…. Why even go. Why “send” people over to discuss. If yall really cared, just tell adri “put out a statement as accurately as you can and we will support you.” Not literally try to manipulate and push her towards a certain milder narrative. Idk man shit stinks pretty bad.
I WANT to agree with you but look at Amber Heard, people didnt actually dig for the evidence up front, they basically told her to release a statement and they would support her. She did, they did and look how poorly that ended when the actual evidence came to light.
2:01:01 Mitch joins RQ after 40 flustered, contentious seconds When playback resumes, train’s next point to miz as he activates trap card is “you need to get ahead of this” which is exactly what Mitch was trying to do here, and on his own stream (unsuccessfully) with the optics of an arc torch
I couldn't agree more. If you watched the stream Mitch went live a little while after he hoped into Destiny's stream and rambled for about 15 minutes before pulling someone in to ask him questions to keep him on point. He couldn't get Destiny to play ball so he got someone who he thought would slow pitch to him.
@@DownSouthGhost I felt sympathy for dude taking those Ls to boomer tech in the middle of panic. IDK why he thought it was a good idea to call in, but quickly realized dest was not about to derail all the progress made in deciphering this material, only to shift focus by involving himself in tangential emotional debate
The unapologetic tone of mizkif really leads me to believe that he either is A) in Denial or his wrongdoing, or B) is severely guilty and trying to hide it. He’s dismissive of every question and scenario, and he is too emotionally invested in his friend to be morally correct. At first I thought he could overcome this but hearing this call, I don’t think dude should ever have a platform again.
It's clear as day that Mizkif did everything in his power to stop the girl from reporting his "best friend". He cooked up this plan to send Maya and Mitch to threaten and talk her out of it. Miz and Maya are already guilty in the court of public opinion. Listening to Miz trying to justify his actions and dress them up as being something else is insulting my intelligence and makes my skin crawl.
The income comes first, dude doesn't care about his friend, just his reputation/income. When your friend does something shitty, hold them to that. If it's a pattern, they shouldn't be your friend.
Mizkif has no other option than going for the "he is my best friend i had to get involved" narrative but the real conflict of interest was that he knew that if the news went more public less woman would feel confortable going to his house and he downplayed it to get more guests, the fact that he downplayed the charges to convince and brought Alinity and Emiru to a house with sex offenders is so irresponsible and a selfish act
@Daniel Foodist Man dude, you should post this comment all over, it makes Miz look so good. Yeah, he's totally just mad Miz's shitty "content" is better than the girl who was SA'ed by Miz's life partner slick, lmao, are you like 4 years old? 🤣
It goes to show that her claims were valid and that even if miz went to find out, the fact he didn't kick slick out should show that he did in fact cover it up the fact it hasn't come out until now is the proof
No, because Mizkif would've of gotten the downplayed version of the SA that was generated after Maya went over. Moreover there's no evidence that Mizkif knew about egregious examples of Slick blacklisting Adriannah.
@@thfkmnIII I watched everything unfold live. When Mitch says Miz "explicitly" told them to suppress the accusations, he means Miz acted like the boss, told Maya "You're Maya Higa" and was concerned about slick. None of that is an explicit call to suppress allegations. Moreover, Mitch's characterization is biased and untrustworthy because in his convo with train he revealed that he hates Miz for unrelated reasons ( accusations that he suppressed his twitch career ) and thinks he's an all around bad guy.
@@TCSyndicate + "she'll listen to you". Miz was concerned abt slick, but more concerned abt him getting cancelled rather than if he actually committed a crime. He had no business sending ppl to her for info, aint none of his business. Mitch has such burning hatred for Miz but was so vague, avoiding, and on the fence abt what exactly happened during the entire call. Only gave a clear answer when he was sat down and pressed to give a clear yes or no. Fasho booboo☕️
@@cngotham4111 over literally nothing. He did not do himself aby good with that little pout fest. All destiny was trying to do was to finish the call. That ain't asking for anything crazy
This is a 5head, 4D chess move. Leak the call to Destiny who can give a relatively unbiased take. No one on twitch can touch it cuz Destiny is banned. Takes content off twitch so they might start to respect their creators and update their terms of service. GG Destiny, X, and Train. Well played.
Mizkif asking Train to delete his tweet because people think HE assaulted someone... Is exactly the point Train was trying to make about Alinity. Mizkif seems self absorbed, repetitive in trying to drown out any progress in the conversation, and definitely chooses friends over doing the right thing. Feels like frat culture... Scary
I like how Miz story went from Slick wasn't telling them anything so they went over to find out what happened. To at the end Miz saying well Slick said he didn't do it and were gonna believe him because he's the group's better friend. What he says at the end voids their stance of they didn't know what was going on or what it was about and wanted more info. Instead it seemed more like they knew, and wanted to go over to purely do what they can to help their friend.
@@GLUFSAREN I don't think so. I don't see where you can have both him not saying anything to them and them only going in with rumors. But also have oh he did talk to them and he told them he didn't do it. What is it, did he talk to yall or did he not talk to yall. Depending on which one it is shows two different stories. The fact he made the switch also makes it seems like one of those is a lie and I'm guessing it's the first one.
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I used to come here when destiny would have two or 3,000 viewers a stream, maybe 7,000 if arguing some really spicy political topic. Yesterday there were 55,000 live viewers. What did I miss? I've spent the last 3 months moving and preparing for new job, I must have missed something crazy.
Big Drama always get views, during the rape review arc and N-Word arc the views were insane
*59,000!
Long story summed up in two words: Twitch drama.
Terrible people who live stream got exposed as terrible people because they gaslit a sexual assault victim and buried the story.
Love the cat videos Louis, keep at it :)
Iv been here since remember tomorrow
When the ceo of twitch, John Twitch, said "Its twitchin time" as he insulted mizkif, I cried tears of soy.
Twitch is the website ever
@@blackelton7127 twitch isn’t a website- it’s a lifestyle
Crying soy sounds incredibly painful, you sure it wasn't soy milk?
You forgot the part when he Twitched all over the place
Tears of soy at 1:43:50
Mitch - I was there for everything.
Also Mitch - I was in the backyard playing with the dog.
Okey. Police comes. There was a gun discharge on the first floor when you were down in the kitchen . You can litteraly say you were there and that you didn't see a gunshot at the same time.
There’s kind of a key difference between a gun discharge and a sketchy social interaction. You can hear a gun shot from outside the room. You can’t hear or in any way witness a conversation, groping, or harassment happening inside the house when you’re outside.
@@BareBandSubscription You lost the plot my man.
@@sneppen5443
Explain. I didn’t express any judgment or opinion on the matter at hand. I only pointed out a logical flaw in someone’s hypothetical point of comparison. So explain how I lost the plot, bud.
@@BareBandSubscription you lost the plot when u said bud
I know how serious this is, but Mitch going
“Yo, I’m back”
Right in the middle of the emotional silence
they were having, is the funniest thing I’ve seen in years.
Timestamp cus you guys asked is 1:44:00
He probably just came back from taking a big shit XD
Dont know why but mitch is giving me Jesse vibes
Time?
@@sir_zzzzz7127 will do ina minut
1:44:05
I have to say Mitch is clearly the type of person who tells whoever is in front of him what they want to hear.
Yeah hahah 😆
YEP Mitch is a pushover. Train was pushing him to fit his narrative and Miz was confused why Mitch wasn't saying anything to his side. What a loser
He's always been that way.
Well he is a rat after all.
Why even snitch the story if you are so scared for the repercussions of it? Dude fucked up hard, it was over for him the moment he snitched.
Asmondgold is just singlehandedly carrying the careers of all of the Austin streamers. That's crazy
You could at least give the man the decency of saying his name properly
@@jackierman shut up nerd
@@jackierman its actually asmonbald
@@Yfrith Asmonmald now.
@@Yfrith AsmonGod
Can I just say that Asmongold was the most reasonable person on that call.
Asmongold is a very reasonable person
Asmon is a based individual
You mean the point Destiny made multiple times in the video? LOL hot take man
@@theprophet9428 just because he doesn’t agree with you crypto gambling?
Asmongod being based as usual. Common AsmonW
"She didn't answer, we didn't want to bother her" So you sent 3 people to her house after sitting down and brainstorming the game plan?
This call is what a court case would sound like if two lawyers were allowed to argue a case with no judge to keep order.
5 lawyers*
With none of them have experience in the court room as a lawyer lol and the worlds largest jury (well the jury can’t actually really do so much lol)
@@natemajor6560 the jury is twitch chat lmao.
@Daniel Foodist Man COPIUM
@Daniel Foodist Man “get grip” proofread your message bro
I like how in Miz's eyes, "My friend is getting cancelled." causes more stress than "My friend does sexual assault."
Exactly.....
He might not have even sexually assaulted her but we will never know. With Slick his history and all the private messages to female streamers coming out he will never be believed. But I do find it strange that the friends said he touched her wrist/neck but a year later turned it into chest. The friend who was there and witnessed it all happening consistently has said it wasn't SA.
It would be crazy if it's not true for Slick his sake because obviously with all the creepy messages releasing it looks very bad for him. The sad part is the only witnesses to what happened aren't even being spoken to.
Money is all that matters to streamers lol with the exception of asmon
@@MalphasMikaelson no the friend has CONSISTENTLY said it WAS SA. Bro where have u been she had him on the phone in her stream dude.
Slick was probably telling him that he meant it as a joke and he didn’t intend to sexual assault her and that he’s very sorry it went down that way blah blah blah. It’s a pretty normal reaction to want to give your best friend who lives with you the benefit of the doubt. Everyone in the comments is going “these twitch streamers are so out of touch” but this is like the exact same shit that goes down in lots of friend groups, unfortunately.
Miz keeps saying that “he’s my best friend, I wanted to make sure he was okay.” He genuinely felt like he knew the truth before he even had all the information or talked to Adrianna. He never said ONCE that he was concerned with Adrianna’a welfare, even before maya and Mitch even went to her house. In his mind, Slick was already innocent or at the very least was the victim of a gross miscommunication. He didn’t send maya or Mitch there to “get the truth” or even see if Adrianna was okay, he sent them there to protect slick from the very beginning.
How tf would you know that
Train : " omg dude your guitly asf"
Miz : " maaa beessstiiee"
Mitch : " i dont want to incriminate anyone"
Asmongold: " actual logical thinking "
Train really jumped on miz despite the fact that there is very little evidence and he's just relying solely on barry's interpretation of events since mitch really just heard it from barry and passed it on, apparently. There is nothing solid here at all. It seems like miz and train both had some ulterior motives in the way that they talked about the situation. It's tragic that people have to be caught up in this mess. Train is just making it personal instead of about what actually happened. With all these accusations thrown back and forth, it makes sense that they would want to hear from adriana. She made the accusation in the first place so she should want to be able to clarify as much as possible as long as everything is kept on the level.
Mitch is fine incriminating anybody but himself. He thought he could drop a bomb and dip out and watch them destroy eachother. He even at one point says “I got caught in the middle of the situation” when he is the one who brought it to the person who needed something spicy against Miz. There were no good intentions in what Mitch is doing, even though this is something that needed to come out
@@infinityseven5924 maya and mitch literally admitted to it multiple time
@Daniel Foodist Man he did though. He didn’t do the assault but he’s definitely guilty of using his position and the position of the people around him to silence others. And trying to make it seem like SA isn’t a big deal because the assaulted is somebody’s best friend
@Daniel Foodist Man typical bot maya and mitch admitted
Every time Miz has to defend his actions: "I was trying to help my best friend."
Destiny "oh boy"
He didn’t care about SA. 💀💀💀💀💀
I don’t think he understood how bad “I’m having a panic attack my best friend is about to get canceled” sounded when his best friend is a creep who’s justly being canceled.
He said bestfriend so many times It actually started to make me angry ☠
@@Yrgzip0 The thing is, his reasoning there actually makes sense. He's just really, really bad at laying it out. (Most of these people probably would be, for the record, if their asses were on the fire.) His point of interest is the friend, otherwise he'd just keep his nose out of it and let the situation balloon out for the more relevant parties. Being more concerned for your friend than for a stranger isn't a *crime*. Finding out the truth and whether he should completely cut ties with this person who was his best friend, or seriously comfort his best friend and try to save him from a huge cancellation is a justifiable thing. He needed to make harder statements re: "I did not intend to change their story", he needed to get one good consistent paragraph of his version up all at once, and address the relevant points concretely, and not 'just' repeat the best friend thing.
From how I read it, he actually didn't intend to do anything devious, he's just really, incredibly stupid at getting that across.
@@rocketrelm1125 I feel you to an extent. This isnt about intentions, its about what happened and they way he choose to deal with it. And this isnt totally separate for miz either, remember he had a hand in covering it up, if he helps down play it then he wont catch as much shit either for covering up his best friends assault of a unconscious woman. There shouldn't be a choice here but cause of the person miz is choosing to be, he's choosing his best friend who is willing to assault a sleeping girl, over a stranger his best friend assaulted.
It has been revealed to me that Mizkif has been withholding the information that Destiny is a girl name
This joke is getting old
@@GikamesShadow it's been going for so long that it will never die
@@GikamesShadow it’s not a joke it’s a reminder that destiny name is indeed a girls name
@@stefanmarinkovic1229 true, it's no longer a joke, it's become just a part of the UA-cam watching experience.
I’m so sick of these
Mitch really is like a comedic relief character in a movie lol That timing when Miz was crying was movie-like
Isn't it funny that all of this Twitch drama and scandals are now being covered exclusively from an impartial lens by a banned streamer (on twitch) on UA-cam with a girl's name?
lmao this one got me
Ahmayzing
@@threadpress8331 beytaaaaaaa
*partial
Ok this was a good observation AND funny. Good one bud
Destiny, a man with a girls name, dancing on the ashes of the platform he helped build. I’m all here for it ❤
For real bro he was up the top of twitch in 2011
It is crazy to think how long Destiny has been doing this. I can still remember him playing Far Cry all the way back in like 2012-2013.
Amazing
@@Odinsday And people have been trying to cancel him regularly too. Been called racist, transphobic, homophobic, a pedophile etc. My man still comes back.
All this against a streamer with a girl's name
lol
Mizkif: "My BEST FRIEND is gonna get cancelled" repeat 100x
Also Miz: "I couldn't be friends with someone who sexually assaulted someone."
Hm.
when they say sexual assault they think raping someone, not groping someone
they were all calling it sexual harassment until a few days ago, none of these fuckers knew that assault starts right when someone gets touched
they didnt think this was a big deal, they're a bunch of morons
Bro imagine your best friend sexually assaulted someone. I can’t imagine a more difficult situation to be in.
@@BOBMAN-zt9fz easy. I tell them they fucked up and that they need to go apologize and go to therapy
The 1st statement was his true beliefs hence why he kept repeating it, the 2nd statement was a virtue signal when he realized how bad his 1st looked to the other callers. Dude is very Machiavellian and intelligent.
@@BOBMAN-zt9fz It was a time bomb and he just hid it. If your "Friend" took advantage of your fame to get women, he is not really your friend.
Asmongold is one of my favorite streamers. I was really nervous that he was in this call, because I really had no idea what this drama was about until a couple hours ago. But I’m really glad he was a part of this call now- he’s the only one in that call that doesn’t live in the echo chamber their brain dead chats create.
Ye, as much as I condemn Mizkif for the way he spoke about the situation in the past and for not doing more to find out more from Adriannah sooner, Train annoyed the hell out of me. He took every chance he could to spin the narrative he wanted. Even when it was backed up by very little evidence.
The real problem was not talking to Adriannah himself, regardless of his streamer status. This got messy as soon as he sent someone else. Theres no real way to prove that he didnt tell Maya what to say. But at the same time theres no way to prove that he did. It could only be his word versus hers, and Ive no doubt if they agreed we'd be having this conversation all over again.
Yeah wait until there are accusations about him.
@Daniel Foodist Man the dick riding is insane
Assmon is a garbo reactor, doesn’t do anything original
@Daniel Foodist Man stop sucking him off. He ain’t gonna screw you
So the chronology of the situation is, Slick tried to molest a sleeping Adrianah multiple times, and the act was witnessed by her friends. Adrianah herself wasn't aware of his actions. Then Adrianah's friends told her about it, and she wanted to tell twitter.
Miz and Maya found out and tried to find out the truth from Adrianah, whom we know wasn't actually aware of what's actually happened because she was asleep. So Maya uses that fact to gaslight Adrianah into thinking that maybe, just maybe, Slick wasn't actually trying to harass her, he was just drunk. They succeeded to make her downplay her own harassment with the promise that they would let her into their circle of large streamers. Miz then downplays Slick's actions on stream multiple times by saying it wasn't "rape".
Years go by, but Slick wasn't done with harassing Adrianah. He went around, stalking Adrianah and messaging any streamer who dares to collab with her that she's bad news. Maya and Miz claims they never knew Slick does this, so that's why all this goes under the radar. Adrianah herself only found out from her steamer friends who got messaged by Slick after streaming with her.
Miz covered up for his "best friend", and actually thought his blind faith was a virtue.
Maya is a master gaslighter with a kind demeanor, even now.
Adrianah was initially blinded by the opportunity for clout and fell victim to Maya's gaslighting,
causing Slick to be able to slither away to continue his harassment.
damn man
@kurokjo That just reads like the same story told by someone looking to justify their actions. Whatever the intentions were at the time, sending people invested in the outcome of catastrophic news for your friends is going to influence the telling of that news
so slick could’ve got away with this horrendous act if he just didn’t try and tell ppl to not work with adrianah ? seems like a stupid play from slick considering he’s the perpetrator
@@9aaron Damn. I didn't even think about that but it makes sense looking at the timeline. I'm glad his blacklisting costed him.
@@kurokjo9107 but you stopped your version early. After Adrianah’s twitlonger, she was ostracized by Maya, Miz, and people around them. There are people who claim they witnessed this firsthand when they attended events with Adrianah. Why would Miz and Maya act like that to a person who minimized her own sexual assault to help Slick, who is their friend?
It seems more likely that Miz and Maya’s pressure to downplay Slick’s wrongdoings was intentional and they continued to cover for Slick by allowing him to continue his campaign of harassment against Adrianah and even participated in it themselves.
They convinced Adrianah that downplaying Slick’s assault would be good for her career and that they would help boost her if she did this solid for them. Then after Adrianah made good on her end of the deal, they said “thanks sucker” and tried to ostracize her out of existence so that no one would ever have to be reminded of the entire ordeal ever again.
Like it really is so insane neither Maya nor ArianahLee who are probably two of the most important people in this case aren't there. So much of the back and forth could be disputed if they were both also in the convo to actually give the facts here. It makes a real situation turn into a high school debate rather than a personal inquiry into a crime.
That's because the men need to talk about what happened with their women. They can't possibly speak for themselves.
Correct me if I am wrong but drama makes money
@@ThaPinkGuy Yes, let's just make baseless assumptions about these people's motives and intentions.
It's not like there's any other explanations, like not Adrianah understandably not wanting to talk so much about a pretty horrible event in her life, and Maya potentially having gaslit a SA survivor and downplayed what happened to her so the perpetrator won't get cancelled.
@@ThaPinkGuy i don't think thats the case, but maybe you could come to believe that if all you knew about these people was this single video
@@idontcare9041 It didn't happen live. It was a private call and it was leaked. I saw in an article that it was possibly Train who leaked it but obviously nobody knows that for sure. Maybe Destiny? Either way, this didn't help resolve anything since Maya and Adrianah weren't there when they should have been. I see people keep saying Mitch is untrustworthy and Barry could be exaggerating what Maya said. I don't know if either have said anything about what Barry mentioned. Someone let me know if they did
It's really frustrating that during this entire call no one brings up the smoking gun clip where Miz literally says that what happened to Adriana was sexual assault, meaning that at some point he learned what happened and has actively covered it up. It proves that it doesn't matter what Miz did or knew this night when he sent Maya over, what matters is he did learn at some point and never said or did anything.
that's the clip that left even Adrianah speechless
@@stephenmason1028 I realized somewhere after halfway through that this was before she even went live, so this call makes Miz look even far worse. I know very little about these streamers but holy shit it's fucking over lmao.
That clip was old right, like, that was around the time the SA actually happened and not recent? Maybe none of them know about it yet at that moment? Idk how viral that clip was before all this.
@@junlim7330 this call was right before Adrianah went live exposing Slick and Miz. It sounds like it happened shortly after Train dropped the tweet that started this.
Wait so he already knew what happened, so his story of how he was just trying to figure out what happened is bs?
If I wasn’t answering someone calls and then they showed up at my house I would feel so uncomfortable. Like that alone is a lack of respect of people boundaries. If someone doesn’t want to talk LEAVE THEM ALONE
Agreed dude wtf
Really good point, Adrianah's only actual input here is that she didnt give the ok for Maya and others to come over when she wasnt returning their calls, but they got the go ahead to come over from another person of the house.. that is a pretty uncomfortable situation.
I once hung out with a friend at his place, or rather: I was gaming by myself whilst he was arguing for hours with his jealous girlfriend on the phone
All of a sudden he took down his phone and looked at me, terrified: "we need to lock the doors. She's coming"
I just remember how panicked he seemed. Was actual lunacy.
It's just like... If people end a phone call early or if they don't wanna pick up the phone in the first place, DON'T assume to seek them out irl. That will only worsen everything. Respect people's boundaries, be adult about it, and don't pursue them In their homes. That's so unbelievably intrusive I still remember his terrified look to this day.
Thats a tough ask Empress. Especially when its a conversation with this level gravity and not just being mad over pokemon cards. People sometimes take their own life unable to face things, or anything else... so when a friend or a person I personally know would not answer a phone on a scale of something like this, either I would go or would send someone close to that person to check on that person and see them through to their next course of actions.
I get what you are saying, but context always matters. Maybe I am a weirdo for thinking that way, but If a person does not answer a phone long time - or at least text back to leave alone, I become super worried some harm has come to them.
@@MALITH666 Your life and friends also aren't constantly in a spot light on every single small move you make. It's easy to make the judgement when you can disappear and nothing happens besides the people close to you wondering where you went. Of course something that's in a spotlight has a different affect then the average person. They need to figure out what is going on and what to do because once the media gets ahold of something when your life is like this it's completely different then what you can possible imagine how it gets skewed in the environment of content. Ever seen TMZ you think those stories are facts? They do whatever is best for content and people are going to these celebs to figure out what actually happened and majority have PR teams on 24/7 stand by to stop stuff like this from coming to light because it would go down like this. We have to remember these people are like celebs and we can't relate we are fucking normies.
This may be an odd takeaway... With Miz being such a big part of OTK I was concerned for the blowback the Org would take, like how Method got nuked sort of thing. So my takeaway from this call is this leak is probably the best thing that could have happened to OTK. Asmongold's leadership, and his demeanor and words in this call, probably saved OTK from major issues. This being a supposed private call as well makes it all the more credible that he means it and is taking it deadly serious. Really impressed with him
But what happened with method was much worse imo
I looked up the laws and precedent for the Texas courts. The courts are likely to consider crazyslicks acts to be sexual harassment ( a civil charge) rather than sexual assault ( a criminal charge). As such it will likely be impossible to charge mizkif with anything as he can not be charged with conspiracy as no crime was committed and he can not be charged as an accomplice following the same logic. Mizkif should sue for defamation/ slander
@@dylanfitzpatrick9423 I don't believe anyone is accusing Miz of committing a crime. He's just been a terrible person who allowed a creep to be creepy without repercussion. Can't really sue for defamation/slander because 1) The claims against him seem to be valid 2) As a public figure you would have to prove in court that the person accused of defamation was acting with actual malice which could only possibly apply to those who were in those original conversations after the incident. But Miz doesn't even really refute those claims so he has no cause or reason to sue.
@@dylanfitzpatrick9423 anytime someone recommends suing for defamation you can immediately tell they know next to nothing about law
5Head Twitch politics lesson #73: always think you are being recorded in a call
I'm only 40 min in so I might be jumping the gun but damn it sounds gross to hear Miz seem to ask for pity because of his friendship and emotions, over and over again while plotting to send people over there for any reason, he didn't stop once to think about Adri, only himself and Slick. He didn't even think how this would look for Mitch, Maya etc.
would u of preferred he went himself or brought slick? i dont get how u find that more of an issue then the guy who is under pressure from gambling drama LEAKING another persons SA story to change the subject. Im not saying miz isnt wrong im saying ur mad at the weirdest detail
I would be curious to see if he ever commented on the Cuomo scandal. Because he kinda pulled a Cuomo in this situation...
@@burntemail3950 stfu he covered up SA. train is right and the victim said train had been helping her throughout the past year
@@burntemail3950 That's is such an unbelievably stupid take. Going himself or sending someone else to talk to Adrianna's is bad. Train didn't name any names and Adrianna had given him the green light on saying anything at all. Now I know that's complicated for smooth brains to understand so I'll explain it here; Train brought light to there being an assault, then Adrianna went live to say her piece while the spot light shone on her situation. Simple. Mizkif needed to sit back and wait to see if there are any inconsistencies in Adrianna's story and go from there, never to send someone to talk in any context on the situation until after the victim has the opportunity to say her piece, and she's comfortable speaking on it with you.
@@TheMoinomedian "train brought light to there being an assault" we can play this game bucko. Train clearly was cornered by his addiction catching up to him and decided to weaponize some dirt hes been holding onto for a while. And since were getting extra delusional if shes not comfortable speaking to them why let them in the first place its not like they broke in not their fault adrianna cant function like an adult and if u wanna give anymore excuses about her pain then call the cops dont cry on twitter the moment your freind gets cornered. Realisticly if u want to say there is a better way of handling this ill just mock u with ur own point since theres clearly a better way adriannah could of gone about this instead of trusting a junkie to weaponize her story. and if this was in court im confident train would lose the most of this highschool dramafest.
Around 1:17:35 it became very clear that this isn't about Adrianna for Miz and Train. Really just feels like they've had personal issues with each other and this was used as a reason to bite at Miz' throat. While Asmongold and Xqc are actually keeping the conversation focused on Adrianna, (despite lacking two crucial testimonies).
It's like two different conversations are happening at the same time the whole way through. Because around 1:38:00 or so you've just got them talking bout nothing but other accusations and shit that doesn't matter. Miz saying stuff like "Train, weren't a buncha girls coming out saying you were getting super sexual, super touchy," or whatever is like... grasping at straws looking for a reason to delegitimize the original conversation. Like all this "you're bad too, you're bad too" shit is really annoying. Deflecting 100%.
...Why am I so interested in this dumb drama lol
everything makes perfect sense if you see that it's their career first for all of them. This goes for everyone involved
@@harrybellingham98 agreed
Watching streamers destroy themselves will always be the most engaging content on social media because it's clickbait enough for people to want to know what it's about and drama enough for people to care.
Asmon is clearly the singular voice of reason in most of this conversation and watching him deal with this makes it very obvious to me that it's just another thing on his plate that gives reason to him not wanting to stream on his main channel.
Regardless, this sort of conversation isn't the first to have been put public on the internet and it most certainly won't be the last.
In fact, I bet most of us have been in this kind of scenario before, which is all the more reason this is relatable when it happens to our favorite streamer(s).
And when all is said and done, I bet most streamers in this conversation will have a bigger following than before this happened due to the publicity this is all getting.
Mitch is so good at saying so much without saying anything lol
Mitch is the biggest two faced liar. From the start with screwing Reckful over by leaking the car detail he promised not to reveal to crying how he loses all his friends for no reason when he backstabs, lies and plays off any sort of drama.
Guy is the biggest snake I've ever seen.
He would be a good president/politician.
@@HaloLvl43Legit Mitch is the OG rat king of twitch, it's "good" to see he's still living up to his old title.
Not true y’all just want him to say they sat down like villains and orchestrated a plan.
😂😂😂
He’s allowed to make it clear they talked about a situation and what to do like normal people.
The outcome is slick is now gone.
But people wanna create a fake perspective on what we all know is normal human behaviours “SITTING DOWN ADDRESSING AND FINDING THE RIGHT MANNER TO FIX OR REMOVE A SITUATION”
@@dillmader8042 I mean i would hope slick is gone after all the backlash they got 💀
Mitch is just so spineless. It's wild. Did Mizkif plan a fact finding mission or a raid? Wtf?
Mitch is the biggest two faced liar. From the start with screwing Reckful over by leaking the car detail he promised not to reveal to crying how he loses all his friends for no reason when he backstabs, lies and plays off any sort of drama.
Guy is the biggest snake I've ever seen.
miz is too dumb to explain it right.. he didn't even know what was being accused when he "sent" them .... it was meant to find out what happened and help his friend soft land it.. it wasn't to cover anything up or intimidate anyone
@@Imac7065 Honestly I feel like that's the issue. Mizkif is smart when it comes to business, great at telling a joke, but when it comes to conveying his thoughts in a serious manner he is completely inept. He is saying one thing but his poor use of language implicates the opposite and it seems like he genuinely doesn't understand the inconsistency. A smart orator would never consistently say the wrong things the way Mizkif has in this video even if their goal was to play dumb.
@@Imac7065 I honestly understood it perfectly, and I was surprised that train continuously didn't understand his point.
@@Imac7065 watched the full parts. Miz is 100% complicit. He didnt tell anyone to act some way but he did talk to them in a way that provokes them to do something about the situation.
He never told directly what to do or what Maya to say and seeing as Maya was good friends with Slick as well, then what she told, her tone and the message she gave might be completely hers.
But that doesnt excuse him of what he and others did after the fact, like the blacklisting and shit.
He 100% tried to cover it up and downplay it maybe not cut and dry in the first instance but quite clearly even after the incident.
Too bad this Mitch guy is too pussy to say it with Mizkif's face and wants to act like the hero, the victim and just a bystander at the same time. And Train's part sucks as well because he sucks at arguing (focusing on wrong points and making big claims without presenting his argument, properly), is presented by a witness that flip flops on his head and details he doesnt want to share as readily because its involving stuff he wants adriana/whoever first party is involve's permission.
I think Asmongold and Destiny are very reasonable and data driven people in the way they think things through. I think they'd get along a lot.
They have had convos in the past
Asmongold is the poster boy for someone who is physically, mentally, and emotionally unhealthy from all the attic dwelling filled with nothing but junk food and video games. Sprinkle that with tens of thousands of fans who agree with everything he says daily for years letting him think he's some sort of moral authority.
They were connected a lot more back when the Scuffed Podcast was at its prime
^Tell us you’re new around here without telling us your new
Watch their debate from 5 years ago
Maya admitted on her own stream that she helped the victim write it and even told her to include “it wasn’t sexual assault”. The question NOW is if miz sent her with that purpose in mind (which it sounds like) OR if she acted on her own.
You are so bad faith. You intentionally leave out the fact that Adrianha and the witnesses told her that it wasn’t SA which they admitted.
God I hope asmon never changes. He doesn't need the spotlight to get shit done and he is the exact person you want running things behind the scenes. You don't literally have the entire organization crumbling because of one incident because of him. It's why the rest of OTK feels so confident in their positions as well. They don't need to constantly talk about and address it because asmon is handling everything
It's the guild master training in wow.
Honestly even if he only sent Maya because he thought he was intimidating I still think his reasoning is super off. He keeps saying he did it to protect slick essentially not to see what he may have done. It just really comes off like he's 10x more concerned about making sure his friend doesn't get canceled then hearing out both sides of what actually happened. I have had experiences with certain men in the past who refuse to believe their friend could be creepy with women and it's always really frustrating to deal with. It's definitely not all men but it's common to a degree.
exactly!
He literally just said "I did want to save slick" after train accused him of it lol. Did destiny miss that?
When was this call?
@@xvingar6318 I think some time after the whole thing happened
@@xvingar6318 I think about 2 days ago. Isn't this the call xqc brought up to Hasan?
Asmon low key was the voice of reason.
Always is
@@jt_on_youtube Definitely not always, no.
I diagree, he was just tryng to be impartial so he barelly spoke. Thats not te same as being the voice of reason.
@@jt_on_youtube nah he doesn't believe in intellectual property rights.
Not low whatsoever
Mitch really seems like the type of guy to drop a bomb and then forget that he is still within the blast radius.
"He is my best friend", "I can't be friends with someone that sexually assaulted people", "If your best friend gets cancelled, you have to act". So basically they can't hang out anymore if the story gets out, therefore he had to act. I have no idea why Miz thought this makes him sound less suspicious but he kept repeating it a lot.
Well, it is his friend. It’s not unreasonable for all of these statements to be his reaction tbh. With no context, you’d want to help your friend and not just call him a rapist off the bat.
And also when I saw Trains initial tweet, it did read like Mizkif did the SA. The accusation wasn’t clear. Train clarified in a later tweet, but is Mizkif’s ask to delete the initial tweet so crazy when it perceived like he committed the actual crime? Feels like it’s farming a cancel movement.. unless I’m missing something.
Because, dude 😎, bros before hoes dude 😎, except he's a guy that takes a stance like that fully to heart as a principle, and not like, a half serious suggestion to not let long standing friendships erode over the unhealthy worship of a love interest 😎. A woman who was violated not getting justice and closure is collateral against the preservation of a deep seated long standing friendship. It's unironically rape culture.
@@jcherryo i dont really think so. the 1st tweet only implies that he helped bury a sexual assault allegation. at least that was my what i got out of it when i read it.
He should have thought about that. All his answers are too vague and sus
@@jcherryo you missed the logic here...
as a law student this video is very entertaining lmao. makes me appreciate the rules of evidence and witness examination even more than i already do.
Care to share your thoughts from the "evidence" presented so far lmao..
@@LaMiGrAFrAnK no evidence apart from he say she say the main witnesses are not even talking
@@LaMiGrAFrAnK a lot of it imo is absolutely weak. Mostly hearsay and narrative based arguments that ascribe intention to actions without the necessary testimony to give context, ie mayas and adrianas. This is what I meant by appreciating the rules of evidence. The best evidence is always first hand. And if credibility of first hand evidence is in question, corroboration helps a lot
@@LuffyTaro907 so what's your verdict. Make one now
I looked up the laws and precedent for the Texas courts. The courts are likely to consider crazyslicks acts to be sexual harassment ( a civil charge) rather than sexual assault ( a criminal charge). As such it will likely be impossible to charge mizkif with anything as he can not be charged with conspiracy as no crime was committed and he can not be charged as an accomplice following the same logic. Mizkif should sue for defamation/ slander. Is my initial analysis flawed?
Watching Mitch fumble through trying to
turn off alerts and then his stream breaking has to be one of the funniest things I’ve seen on stream this year.
Dude was spilling his spaghetti bc Train leaked the call. Mitch did himself so dirty at the end.
Dude has overcooked spaghetti for brains
Bro the stuff leading up to the 1:44:05 "I'm back" had me rolling
Mitch is the biggest two faced liar. From the start with screwing Reckful over by leaking the car detail he promised not to reveal to crying how he loses all his friends for no reason when he backstabs, lies and plays off any sort of drama.
Guy is the biggest snake I've ever seen.
@@HaloLvl43Legit 30K CAR SHEEEEEEIT
I feel like miz admits at least ten times that he was trying to protect his friend which suggests it was to silence her, there can't be any other meaning to helping his friend by doing that. (Supporting your friend would be different and not involve what they did) People who are innocent don't need to have their friends go to the house of the victim uninvited to "talk them off the cliff". Obviously this is twitch but that's usually considered intimidating a witness/victim. The fact that a topic of conversation had anything to do with her twitch career is probably the biggest red flag. It's irrelevant when an accusation this serious comes up, the priority is figuring out what happened not warning the side effects of coming forward. That's the definition of intimidation.
It could be that but it could also be he is saying to protect him meaning he isn't sure what happened and wanted them to find out and not have someone accuse him for no reason. I feel apart of the misunderstanding is Miz doesn't know how to convey his thoughts in a way to make them completely clear. I'm not saying he didn't have the intent of downplaying or whatever but it could have also be that he was worried that someone is going to accuse his friend for something that didn't happen and since he wasn't aware of what happened and just wanted to get the facts. Either way, they did this completely wrong and kept the conversation away from the actual problem.
This just proves what we've all known; just chatting was a mistake.
Lmao true
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Thiiis iss just Twiiiitch 🎶
this
Then we would have missed this gold. Wdym?
Actually it proves that Destiny… is a girls name.
I don't watch destiny but this guy is really good at clarifying both sides of the story.
He's smart, and he is not a clout goblin. He also stresses there is no such thing as speaking truth, only speaking your truths, and they can change with analysis. Plus if you like factorio, I mean tune in!
He's very intelligent, can speak well publicly, and has studied/taken classes in conflict resolution. He's a breath of fresh air in todays hyper-partisan, willingly lying to push narratives media space.
its too bad that destiny is a girls name
@@8motozero8 why did twitch give him the boot?
@@RussianSoviet102s Because the PC stance is absolutely no questioning the narrative, in this case the trans narrative about sports in particular. He dared to say he doesnt think m2f trans should compete at the top level in womens divisions.
He has a long history of standing up to the PC narrative and its too much of a brand risk for twitter and twitch since the extreme left currently holds the power to get people cancelled and pressure advertisers to pull support from platforms.
These two must have the Guinness world record for derailing a conversation lmfao
Miz's continued fixation on the consequences for _him,_ coupled with his inability to be angry with the right person (Slick) for causing all of this, is excellent evidence that he did what he's being accused of -- and that he would do it again, in a heartbeat.
What that tells me is that miz is a pretty good friend that covers for you despite of the consequences. Nice.
This call also took place before adrianahs stream coming out with more details and we never heard from miz after more stuff came out. A year ago the position was that this wasn't sexual assault and it was stated explicitly in the original twitlonger, up until a week ago this was her stance, so I'd believe that miz just didn't know the severity of slicks actions. Miz has logs from a year ago saying that if this is bad he would kick slick out of his house, now that more has come out about slick mix kicked him out. In my opinion miz was just more trusting of his best friend than someone he doesnt know, and now that more has come to light it's clear that slick has just been a disgusting liar the whole time, I dont really think miz is in the wrong here because it just seems like he didn't know anything.
@@Thesngian i wouldn't be surprised if you're a sex offender
@@Thesngian covering for somebody no matter the context is the weakest thing you can do as a person
@Lala Emm of course I’d cover, how else can women learn to stop fake accusations. i literally heard my boss’s wife, who is stupid as fk, say how she could “make things up”. Zero consequences for women. like my ex’s sister crying her way out of a DUI pretending her bf broke up with her
Mitch on his stream giving a solid “yes” to whether or not Miz deliberately instructed Maya to manipulate Adri is the only thing from last night that matters. There, I just saved you 2 hours.
Im 40. I stayed up for the whole stream. What is wrong with my life…
Yea but he then follows it up by saying the only thing he said was "YOU ARE MAYA HIGA" so I'm not sure his yes statement is all that important.
@@link212112 he said that a bunch on the call but I don’t remember that from the Twitch stream when he gave the point blank “yes” to the Miz question.
@@PauloLz A lot but you might as well have fun with it.
@@PauloLz and I make fun of my wife for watching the bachelor…if she only knew what my “podcasts” were really about
@@opinionshurt2905 thanks for destroying those grey names
miz sounds completely self interested in just wanting to keep his friendship with slick
him saying "figuring out whats going on" sounds like "finding out that nothing bad happened" when he says "hes my best friend" "i dont want to lose him" "hes sitting there depressed" as to why he sent people to adrianah
Well most important he does want to be taken to court. And of course he doesn't want his friend get in trouble. I have an uncle who to this day is technicly looked for the court in Haga. I don't want him to go to jail either and he is 62 now .
As I see it from the moment mizkif knew about the sexual assault with crazy slick he put every girl including Emiru in danger when going to his house. Also the twitlonger is sick in itself, Maya standing there having essentially a fake convo for "reassurance" incase this sexual assault ever came to light. It's concerning how much of the story we are hearing from them and not the victim.
Channel growth has been insane lately. 495k to 526k subs in 13 days. Keffals getting Destiny banned from Twitch only made him more relevant had gave him a larger reach.
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Nah it's just the drama.
I cant help but laugh at mitch, the guy could have said nothing and skirted by, but he opened his big mouth and made himself look like a idiot.
If Mitch didn't open his mouth and leak it to Trainwrecks then CrazySlick, Mizkif, and Maya would have gotten away with it and the SA victim would've been permanently screwed and ostracized.
Every time he talked i audibly said "DUDE STFU". Dumb and stupid and dumb.
Snitch jones 🐀
all he had to do was say his piece and then keep quiet for the remainder
uwutmate Rat Jones will never die
1:00:30 This part could have some heavy indications. If I'm not mistaken, I remember somewhere earlier in the call where Mizkif said they we're trying to get a hold of her by any means necessary, because they we're so concerned and wanted to know what happened. Around this timestamp, Train points out that it was irresponsible to not take the hint, by her not answering them, that she didn't want to tell them anything, and that she doesn't owe them any explanation about what happened. (there is a clear reason she wouldn't want to talk to them about it that Train pointed out as well, because Miz is Slicks best friend, and that there's a giant conflict of interest there). After Train points out that Adrianah doesn't owe Miz an explanation, I think Miz realized that what he was saying looks bad, and switches to denying that he was trying to get a hold of her a lot, and starts heavily downplaying that point.
1:24:22 Adding to my earlier comment. Destiny states that Adrianah points out, she didn't give permission to Mitch and Maya to show up to her house. This would further implicate Miz, Mitch, and Maya because not only was she not answering them, but evidently she didn't want them to come over and have to talk with them. This also makes me wonder, if that's the case; why would Berry, her friend, take Mitch and Maya to her house if she didn't give them permission to come over? Interesting.
EDIT: at 2:06:50 XQC points out that everytime Berry has been brought to the stand, he gets in like one thing and they get distracted and off topic, and that Berry hasn't said much. Destiny points it out that he should be saying more, and it could be odd that he isn't. I agree, I think that everytime Berry is brought up to speak, he says the least amount he can and is very short in detail, despite him being there for the entire process. I also thought this tied in well with the first part of this reply, about him taking Mitch and Maya to Adrianah even though she didn't want them there.
@@Culturedtuna1 The reason Barry isn't saying much is because the story of what happened here is very simple, but being blown up as this huge complicated mystery. Train is right, Miz pretty much admitted he sent Maya over because he was "concerned for his best friend" not because he wanted to know what happened. There's no mystery here.
Someone who is honest and innocent will not need loud and dramatic tales. Their statements will be very simple and straightforward.
@@TR13400 That's a fair assessment for sure I could agree with that.
Backpedaling the Tour de Twitch. He also says at the start he never sent them over there, then says multiple times he sent them because he needed to know what happened. . .
Slick is miz’s bestfriend and as he said all of their best friends. Any of them going is a conflict of interest… the fact they’re even arguing over that is funny.
A friend has to asks you whats wrong, a good friend has a shoulder for you to cry on, but a best-friend knows where to bury the bodies.
The problem isn’t that he’s a good friend, the problem is that he’s burying a body.
Watching the stream live with multiple chats was so great to see all these communities get mad at each other and find out the truth of some of these streamers.
Bro at like an hour and 30 minutes in the conversation derails so hard i was just in shock. They went from sexual assault testimony to hurling personal insults and venting past anger.
That's how most phone arguments go.
What do you expect, it’s a private call not a court trial
@@walaaya2223 im saying it could be some great content like the raj love or host thing but like a spin off called the court of public opinion because thats real and they could get ahead of the curve
Lmao while telling each other they actually like them lol
Dude it already derailed 40 minutes in. As soon as people started hard core yelling it was long gone.
You know its a scandal when XQC is the most chill one throughout the entire call.
Lmao
Mitch coming in the call, not understanding destiny, and leaving, was golden.
I can absolutely see a scenario where Mizkif asked Maya to go over to speak to Adrianna directly to confirm what happened, before making the huge decision to kick his friend of four years out the house and cutting all ties. It actually seems pretty plausible and reasonable. The problem is that Mizkif is doing a terrible job defending himself.
Yeah that’s plausible, but also the allegations against miz are very plausible
My thoughts exatly and Mitch is the worst witness I've ever heard. His recollection of the "planning" was so vague... basically "like he said this and then we did that like whatever you know". Him leaving the call with Destiny was cherry on the top lmao
Exactly. Dude can barely speak when he isn't being canceled and being accused over covering up sa. Why would people think he could properly defend and explain himself? Especially with train screaming and twisting mitch words the whole fucking time
based comment right here
We now know what happened but at the time Miz and Maya didn't.
I feel as though the most important thing here is that Miz, Maya and Mitch wanted to be involved in Adrianah releasing her story. Just let her write the twitlonger with her friends (who actually witnessed the event) and then respond. Miz kept harping on about how he needs to find out whether or not he needs to kick Slick from his life, but can you imagine if Weinstein's best friend started going around to talk to his victims before they released their stories and how incredibly fucked that would be? If they had just waited for the twitlonger and not gone over to the house that almost all of this could have been avoided.
I wish this was brought up
i think the issue with that is Miz made it (more or less) clear that he didn’t know that Adriannah was coming out with that twitlonger before sending Maya and Mitch
Yeah, that’s what Maxwell basically did. I can’t understand how Miz doesn’t understand that sending Maya is automatically manipulation and coercion
Miz took down Train and X main source of income on twitch.. Mitch is jealous and broke.. think about it.
This is what baffles me.. I'm pretty sure that friends or relatives of a perp have no place to approach the victim..In fact it's illegal since what this guy did was an actual crime
Even playing devil's advocate with miz telling the truth it was braindead of him to send anyone over to talk to her. The move to find out what happened was to go to everyone who was there and witnessed it. Then after confirming what happened only talking to her about how she wants to go forward with this event. Whether she want to make it a big deal or handle it behind close doors.
Need to hear from Maya. Did she really gaslight and try to downplay and threaten clout ?? That Mitch guy is a marble mouth who can’t speak in facts. Painful to listen to.
@@kjahorski the problem is why would maya ever admit to gaslighting. She has too much to lose.
@@kjahorski hate to say this bc I like Maya, but even if she didn't intend to manipulate, her being there and asking questions felt like intimidation. It was totally the wrong move.
@@kjahorski Mitch was bad but even if Maya didn't try to gaslight her she should have known how fucked it was for her to even go there. The big streamer who can decide whether she has a thriving career or not sends his girlfriend to check on her side of a story involving his best friend fucking up. The only reason to try to get the story out of her ahead of time is either your trying to bury it or your trying to get ahead of it for damage control both of which are terrible. Any question and misunderstandings could have been addressed after the tweet was sent. This is a situation where intent no longer matters because of how blatantly bad the actions were.
There's a big difference between "it's braindead to send her over" and "he intentionally and sent Maya to suppress a rape allegation". You can be concerned about your friend.
It is inherently problematic to send someone over to hear the story when the story is known to be coming out shortly, the fact that someone can send humans TO YOUR HOME after you even attempt to come out with a story is intimidation
This whole thing sounds so silly.
Guys and girls get playfully groped (if that’s what happened) everyday, all around the world.
I’ve seen black-out drunk male friends get their crotches grabbed at parties by girls (and guys for that matter), or had sexual acts simulated to them by girls (with pictures), butt pokes, etc. Its not good, and it’s dumb and childish, but it’s not the end of the world.
The fact that the his incident escalated to where it has is ridiculous.
The dude should have apologized, been remorseful, done the public self-flagellation and said he would get counseling … and he would have been cleared by now.
Instead … there are multiple lawsuits from both sides, the guy is still canceled, and the “victim” is bankrupt and probably going to lose all her money on the case. Everyone loses.
Everything you said here is completely false.
@@clip3849i would argue that it depends on the person. If it were my family or something I would be thinking it’s their worry for my safety, if it’s coworkers&/friends that know both me and the abusive person; intimidating af.
@@clip3849not really
I really admire how Destiny can be so reasonable, and cool about everyone's position. I'd be all up in that pathos, immediately.
Grow up
@@chroniccomplainer3792 genuinely curious--is your problem with Destiny all-siding or that you misinterpreted what OP was saying as sarcasm?
@@chroniccomplainer3792 not very grown up of you
@@studentism lol, 50% being mean. And 50% is i think its dumb to admit "id be all up in that pathos". Its one thing to recognize bias and another thing to just be a dumbass with no control.
@@drinkswatere true
I can imagine Hasan seething at the fact that Destiny was getting 50k+ views in this stream
Mizkif: " ya well degen gamba mustn't be tolerated ever Train."
Also Mizkif: " Well he is my BEST FRIEND and the SA was very low lvl so."
To be fair, the SA was very low level (arguably the lowest level that you could still consider SA)
@@andrewcox5873 I would say it's pretty high given the fact that she was unconscious.
@@boxtupos7718 So on a SA scale of 1-10, where 10 is r**e, you're saying this is higher than a 5? What would you consider a 2 or a 3?
Nah its more like
Train: mizkif u sent maya to threaten and control adrianah
Mizkif: train no I only sent maya to finger the pulse of the situation
Mitch: I can copy poki and talk for 30 minutes without saying anything. Also i was not even there when maya spoke to adrianah but somehow I am the person with all the knowledge
Barry: wanna watch me switch side between the two perspectives every second?
Destiny: maya and mizkif are the same person
What we really need are maya and mizkif in the same call to first find out what mizkif really told maya
Then maya and Adrianah in the same call to find out what maya told adrianah
@@boxtupos7718 out of curiosity, is it worse for someone to non consensually rub their dick on your face while you are conscious or unconscious? 🤔 like it sucks either way, and if you are awake you have to actually experience the face rub, but if you are unconscious it’s a complete loss of control so maybe it feels more fucked up after the fact
Im relieved that I can still rely on Asmongold in all this shit. Im happy to stay behind him as a fan with how he stayed cool
tbf, there was a moment when Asmon lost it and said he hopes Slick(er?) dies irl. Still love the dude but he's not perfect.
Tbh i dont think it fully effects on how i watch these streamers. This will go away in a week or month
@@4ataraxia nobody is perfect.. wtf even if this comment 😂
@@4ataraxia I mean he should tho for sexual assault like yeah deserved L
@@cshepard09 the comment was a response to a previous comment about asmongold seeming perfect
"Asmongold has the capacity to lead all these people but he's too busy playing world of warcraft" -- Top tier commentary
(To be clear this quote was a joke, not to be taken seriously)
timestamp for this?
@@jakematterson8652 Might be in part 2
He is a Grand Marshall in World of Warcraft though. So, the patience to go through that in PvP is there just not always present 😂
To be fair, that is his job
That’s exactly why I love him lmao
August needs a raise Steven
I believe August gets a substantial percentage of the youtube revenue. That's why he puts so much effort in them (besides the other reasons that i am not aware of)
Destiny milking good drama in an interesting way is in itself the raise. I believe he gets 50% of all vod revenue on the main YT channel.
WHERE'S THE FUCKING MONEY STEBEN
I like to applaud editors by all means... but i don't think there was a single cut here.
August makes 6 figures
If i have to hear xqc interrupt one more discussion at a crucial point i will video game myself. Asmon about to hammer Mitch to a yes or no and xqc " let me be the voice of reason" raised my pulse by like 60
"The reason why I sent Maya... Is because Maya is much more liked, people respect her, and I feel like Maya can talk to these girls."
Boom. There it is. That's exactly what you'd say, if you were trying to cover it up. If Maya got sent over to find "facts"... Why does any of that matter? They should have sent my boy, Asmongold. He would have cut through the BS in 10 minutes and figured out the facts of the situation. He also told Miz to cut all ties, and kick Sliker the F out of the house because it endangers the entire org. While Miz wanted to "protect his best friend". Maybe choose better friends Miz, ever think of that? Then you wouldn't have to help cover up their SA...
This is unreal. In what universe is it OK for friends of someone who is accused of sexual assault to conduct an investigation consisting of questioning the purported victim, PRIOR to the victim making her statement, ESPECIALLY when there is a lopsided power dynamic where the investigators are big twitch streamers who can make or break careers "investigating" a smaller streamer for her accusations against their "best friend". Can you imagine how you'd react in the real world (because these people are living in some alternate reality it seems) if you heard friends of an accused rapist decided to question a victim prior to them making a statement to the police? Would you seriously ask yourself "maybe the friends just really wanted to know 'what happened' out of concern for their friend"? What if you found out that the friend doing the investigation was the boss and the victim was his or her subordinate?
These people are either completely tone-deaf imbeciles or this was purposefully done, as trainwrecks accuses, with the intention of minimizing the damage done to their friend. I have no idea who this Maya person is, but it's rather unbelievable that she wouldn't realize in that moment that she should absolutely NOT make contact with the accuser, especially in private, especially when she is a much bigger streamer who can impact the smaller streamers career.
Not sure how I got sucked into watching this drama since I try to stay away from twitch and most social media squabbles altogether, but now that I got some information as to what is going on it just seems to me these there is something seriously wrong with the entire lot of them. I think Destiny is also a bit too fixated on the competing narratives and which side is better supported by the evidence, because the fact is that you're never going to have any direct evidence of wrongdoing by Miz or Maya short of a confession. What Destiny should have said from the get-go is what I said above. Trainwrecks likewise got a bit too baited by Miz in the conversation - I could tell he was trying to communicate something along the lines of what I said but he wasn't doing a very good job of it, because he was accusing Miz of something that Miz could easily deny.
I think that a point where they could argue in their favour is that they think they know the character of their "best friend" but if whatever the accusations are were true then them living with him would be a problem, not just for their careers but for the safety of the women that may visit the streamer house, so they would need to know whether they should kick him out or not, nothing wrong with due diligence
Also the power dynamic probably wouldn't matter much because if they blatantly threatened someone in to hiding a S.A case then all she would need to do is come out with her story and get everyone involved cancelled, it wouldn't matter how big you were
are you saying that if your best friend was accused of something, you don't find out what happened and straight up just believe the accuser?
I just wanted to know why this dude Barry called them and told them that their friend is going to get canceled why tell them that and not let her just tell her story it kinda seems like they wanted something out of it....
@@helldeirch No, what he's saying is not go after the victim before she becomes the accuser.
If they visited after her accusations it would be a lot less weird, still conflicting tho.
Let's say you want to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, wait for both sides to give their statements/evidence of the case then make an informed decision.
There's no universe where you try to be a PI in this situation, unless you want something out of it.
@@marrytheweeb8768 wait? do nothing? I don't believe you, unless you don't have a best friend
If you have to twist your morals for a friend its not a friend
True , if you friend fucks up , you should help them own up to it and pay , that doesn't mean you have to abandon them or completely cut ties , just help them get through it and grow and become a better person .
Or you're not twisting your morals
If someone is a good friend Ill visit them in jail, I aint burying a body
@@sydthesadman What I do for my friends & they do for me. We hold each other accountable. That way we grow & improve.
I think it's more that they aren't your morals
Its so funny that whenever Mitch tried to answer a question everyone just talks over him.
Because his perspective is completely useless here
@@swiftchancellor159 ok
@@swiftchancellor159 Dude between all these dramas Mitch was ALWAYS somewhere in the background. That beanie is probably hiding information we couldn't even conceive of.
Adrianna has to give her account of what Maya said to her and if she felt she was being coerced.
Maya has to come out with her version simultaneously, with her story lining up with Adrianna’s perfectly.
If it turns out there was any coercion or downplay, streamers should excise Miz, Maya, Slik and Mitch, and maybe have them banned for conspiring to omit an SA.
This call just goes to show how audacious Miz, Maya, and Mitch are that they refuse to acknowledge that Destiny is a girl's name.
Good one
" I sent Miya and Mitch there to make sure Slick is okay " Miya proceeds to gaslight Adriana supposedly, and supposedly even threatens her streaming career. The result? Slick doesn't get blown up for SA.
Miz, this is exactly what Train and X are saying. You don't have to tell Miya word for word what to do. She didn't need to hear it from you anyways. You sent them with one goal, make sure Slick is okay. Under those orders, they made sure Slick was okay and according to Barry that involved gas lighting and even threatening Adriana's streaming career. You have to eat that.
What you should have done was sent them over with the orders of ' find out what happened and if Adriana is okay ' that is how a neutral third party would respond to allegations. You didn't, you protected Slick from the very beginning because he's your best friend.
Or just be real simple and don't send your recon team to scout the victim of an assault that didn't involve you.
Adrianah doesn't seem like the type of person who'd have tried to destroy Slicks career or anything like that if they didn't handle it so terribly. If he honestly just wanted to check on her he could've DMed or called.
This comment gave me brain rot. You're assuming so much. Also, you're a moron if you think he should have sent anyone to that house at all. A neutral third party doesn't send people to your house for information gathering. Also, none of them are even neutral 3rd party, they were already part of it before sending them over. Also, we have no idea what the intention truly was for them being sent to the house.
its MAYA not MIYA you MORON
Mizkif only cares about slick and himself. Crazy how he never apologized
@HUH they all do
Sounds to me like a maya problem not a Miz problem
@@razieluchiha7580 if miz sent her, he is to blame
Miz is weirdly attached to slick he have dirt in him.
@@van1141 For sure
21:45 I recommend watching his alt channel, Destiny. Zackrawrr on YT. This is where he speaks from the heart and from the dome. He is extremely level-headed and socially aware as well as has a good grasp on socioethical and sociophilosophical matters. It's the same for almost every person in the limelight who is somewhat of a meme. People are satisfied with pogging over (or hating on) the meme that they don't care to look beyond it. In Asmon's case that is a massive mistake. One that I made myself until ~4 years ago.
Miz digs himself more and more especially when he said he would bring up another situation
If your friends are guilty of SA or cover it up in any way, those people aren't worth keeping around.
his BEST friend
Guilty or accused? Honest question
Do we even know it is SA because the girl herself said it wasnt. With all the experience we have with false accusations people are still making this mistake, allowing girls to get free clout by destroying guy's reputations. I don't know if CrazySlick is the pinnacle of morality (probably not) but seriously? are you such children you cant ask questions when something like this happens.
She hears from her (probably) drunk friends she was being molested, Slick says he was checking if she was still alive (reasonable) and everyone just assumes the drunk friends are correct. Like what?
@@kevin23 if they’re accused why would you not side with the victim until further prove does show if it was guilty or innocent instead of blaming the victim and automatically thinking they’re lying especially when there’s moments in the past that resurface and show their true colors.
@@amygarcia8857 It makes sense if its your best friend that you would feel more inclined to be on their side instead of the victims. Its not great but its just human nature, you cant just turn off/erase emotions you have towards someone the second you hear something bad about them.
This man is playing some 300 IQ game while processing all this shit better than anyone else.
@\f_a/ Factorio
Factorio is the farthest thing from a "300 IQ" game lmao... once you get used to the basic mechanics, it's easy af to do it on autopilot, just like any game with micromanagement as its core mechanic.
@@Derplox not to mention destiny was a starcraft player
I find it quite annoying how much some of these people spend talking about how hard this is for them and how emotional they are over this happening and yeah I’m sure it’s stressful but all I care about is how stressful this is for the person that was sexually assaulted.
I truly do not care how hard it is for anybody else. Her abuser’s roommates called her repeatedly and then showed up to her house to get her to tell them her sexual assault story and ask if it really happened. That’s traumatic I would be terrified even if their demeanor appeared to be friendly. If my friend told me that was happening to tell I would say do not open the door and have police remove them. She was going to say something and that situation feels very unsafe.
EXACTLY ⬆⬆⬆ it's just nonstop boohooing from these grown men and then fighting over completely unrelated beef. and as others have said, in what world is it normal to hear somebody was allegedly assaulted and then send multiple people over there to interrogate them over it, with a clear bias towards their rapist lol. this should be going to the police and the fact that we instead have a bunch of adult children making it into drama is horrifying.
To me the most shady part is just…. Why even go. Why “send” people over to discuss. If yall really cared, just tell adri “put out a statement as accurately as you can and we will support you.” Not literally try to manipulate and push her towards a certain milder narrative. Idk man shit stinks pretty bad.
They know.
The takeaway from this is that all of the biggest streamers are objectively bad people.
I WANT to agree with you but look at Amber Heard, people didnt actually dig for the evidence up front, they basically told her to release a statement and they would support her. She did, they did and look how poorly that ended when the actual evidence came to light.
@@YerpDerp17 true
@@Gtascyzoryk12 they don’t need the information first they can wait just like everyone else till it goes public.
this is the longest amongus meeting I ever heard
It’s actually mind blowing how Miz comfortably has called out others while having this in his pocket💀. like you’d think he’d exercise caution
Because he had zero idea that Adrianna was contacting Train about this. And Barry and Mitch
Live by the drama, die by the drama
MizDrake, PushaTrain, and the Story of Adriadon
@@brianc620 Sounds like a GoT spinoff
@@saqib_999 or he thinks nothing happened and thinks she is just one of them girls who do that but no one knows
Zack is a great human being that’s why he’s not taking any of this shit. He doesn’t deserve it man ! I feel so bad for Zack.
lol
zach
I cried when Mitch said that Miz said to Destiny "You are Destiny Bonnell. You have a woman's name."
Hahahaha
Oh that's so original. Ha ha
2:01:01 Mitch joins
RQ after 40 flustered, contentious seconds
When playback resumes, train’s next point to miz as he activates trap card is “you need to get ahead of this” which is exactly what Mitch was trying to do here, and on his own stream (unsuccessfully) with the optics of an arc torch
I couldn't agree more. If you watched the stream Mitch went live a little while after he hoped into Destiny's stream and rambled for about 15 minutes before pulling someone in to ask him questions to keep him on point. He couldn't get Destiny to play ball so he got someone who he thought would slow pitch to him.
@@DownSouthGhost I felt sympathy for dude taking those Ls to boomer tech in the middle of panic. IDK why he thought it was a good idea to call in, but quickly realized dest was not about to derail all the progress made in deciphering this material, only to shift focus by involving himself in tangential emotional debate
Only slept for 5 hours to watch the stream but it was worth it. This stream will be in the history books, legendary top tier content.
Bro I only got 3 , and was almost late to work this morning 💀
@@Jeimuzu17 unhinged
i don't like how everyone is drawing conclusions based on conflicting personal testemonies. We literally cannot be sure of anything.
LSF thinking this shit makes asmon look bad are fucking smoking, he was the most sane person this entire call.
lsf are saying he dissed pokimane and if you watch the clip he litterally says nothing
LSF is actually delusional, like I feel like some of these people lack awareness, because they misread everything.
all you need to do is check the posting histories of those who said asmon looked bad from this. you'll see why they're saying it.
@@rosskaske6357 Can you elaborate?
@@hahaseab I mean he does diss Poki a bit. But who fucking cares? I dont see how or why that makes him look bad either wY
For a fun drinking game, take a shot every time Mizkif mentions that Slick is his best friend.
The unapologetic tone of mizkif really leads me to believe that he either is A) in Denial or his wrongdoing, or B) is severely guilty and trying to hide it. He’s dismissive of every question and scenario, and he is too emotionally invested in his friend to be morally correct.
At first I thought he could overcome this but hearing this call, I don’t think dude should ever have a platform again.
It's clear as day that Mizkif did everything in his power to stop the girl from reporting his "best friend". He cooked up this plan to send Maya and Mitch to threaten and talk her out of it. Miz and Maya are already guilty in the court of public opinion. Listening to Miz trying to justify his actions and dress them up as being something else is insulting my intelligence and makes my skin crawl.
The income comes first, dude doesn't care about his friend, just his reputation/income. When your friend does something shitty, hold them to that. If it's a pattern, they shouldn't be your friend.
the worst part is they all got away with it
Mizkif has no other option than going for the "he is my best friend i had to get involved" narrative but the real conflict of interest was that he knew that if the news went more public less woman would feel confortable going to his house and he downplayed it to get more guests, the fact that he downplayed the charges to convince and brought Alinity and Emiru to a house with sex offenders is so irresponsible and a selfish act
@Daniel Foodist Man dude, you should post this comment all over, it makes Miz look so good. Yeah, he's totally just mad Miz's shitty "content" is better than the girl who was SA'ed by Miz's life partner slick, lmao, are you like 4 years old? 🤣
@Daniel Foodist Man 🐟
@@ryohio4706 no one asked you fool
At least Asmongold still seems like a good dude . . . so that's nice.
Have we ever had private calls like this leaked? This really feels like a premier.
The last I remember is the Arcadum drama
how was this even leaked with only them in the call
@@hplus1 train leaked it
@@mr.bubbles4439 if he did anything wrong in the call then that'll be the stupidest self report
did he leak the full call?
@@hplus1 I was there for the full stream it was 3 calls and from what I can tell yes on the big one (3 hour call)
this should have been handled by proper authorities.
cancel culture is disgusting
It goes to show that her claims were valid and that even if miz went to find out, the fact he didn't kick slick out should show that he did in fact cover it up the fact it hasn't come out until now is the proof
No, because Mizkif would've of gotten the downplayed version of the SA that was generated after Maya went over. Moreover there's no evidence that Mizkif knew about egregious examples of Slick blacklisting Adriannah.
@@TCSyndicate boy, Mitch confessed on his stream that Mizkif gave orders to keep the assault under wraps
@@thfkmnIII I watched everything unfold live. When Mitch says Miz "explicitly" told them to suppress the accusations, he means Miz acted like the boss, told Maya "You're Maya Higa" and was concerned about slick. None of that is an explicit call to suppress allegations.
Moreover, Mitch's characterization is biased and untrustworthy because in his convo with train he revealed that he hates Miz for unrelated reasons ( accusations that he suppressed his twitch career ) and thinks he's an all around bad guy.
@@TCSyndicate + "she'll listen to you". Miz was concerned abt slick, but more concerned abt him getting cancelled rather than if he actually committed a crime. He had no business sending ppl to her for info, aint none of his business.
Mitch has such burning hatred for Miz but was so vague, avoiding, and on the fence abt what exactly happened during the entire call. Only gave a clear answer when he was sat down and pressed to give a clear yes or no. Fasho booboo☕️
every part with mitch had me dying laughing especially the failing stream and the call lmaoooo
The failing stream was so funny. It’s as if the stream gave up on him saying anything useful. Lol
Then him being insanely upset and hang up like bruh
@@cngotham4111 over literally nothing. He did not do himself aby good with that little pout fest. All destiny was trying to do was to finish the call. That ain't asking for anything crazy
This is a 5head, 4D chess move. Leak the call to Destiny who can give a relatively unbiased take. No one on twitch can touch it cuz Destiny is banned. Takes content off twitch so they might start to respect their creators and update their terms of service. GG Destiny, X, and Train. Well played.
Mizkif asking Train to delete his tweet because people think HE assaulted someone... Is exactly the point Train was trying to make about Alinity.
Mizkif seems self absorbed, repetitive in trying to drown out any progress in the conversation, and definitely chooses friends over doing the right thing. Feels like frat culture... Scary
I like how Miz story went from Slick wasn't telling them anything so they went over to find out what happened. To at the end Miz saying well Slick said he didn't do it and were gonna believe him because he's the group's better friend. What he says at the end voids their stance of they didn't know what was going on or what it was about and wanted more info. Instead it seemed more like they knew, and wanted to go over to purely do what they can to help their friend.
Both of those statements can be true at the same time.
@@GLUFSAREN I don't think so. I don't see where you can have both him not saying anything to them and them only going in with rumors. But also have oh he did talk to them and he told them he didn't do it. What is it, did he talk to yall or did he not talk to yall. Depending on which one it is shows two different stories. The fact he made the switch also makes it seems like one of those is a lie and I'm guessing it's the first one.