Pentax K1 dSLR vs Panasonic Lumix S1 mirrorless camera comparison
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
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Brother, I love the Pentax K1 camera and have for years. It's a photographer's camera with plenty of useful functions that many other brands lack. Above all, it's tough so I can focus on the pictures and not worry about its death by water or some other encounter with the real world. You can see it's been abused; and is still working fine. The image quality is also amazing, beating many current, more expensive cameras, as evidenced by DxO Mark's sensor rankings and DPReview's image comparison tool. If you're just doing photography, it should still be a top choice. But the video's not particularly good...
So in comes the Panasonic Lumix S1, a full-frame mirrorless camera. I bought and sold the Lumix S1R because the increase in image quality over the Pentax K1 didn't seem worth it. But the S1 with the V-Log upgrade is an excellent hybrid camera and seems the best value choice for photography/ video at the moment. And it's mirrorless with an excellent viewfinder. So, for those few moments of my day when I wasn't staring at a screen, now I can do so again.
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Such a great comparison. The K-1 truly is a photographer's camera. Too bad it's really hard to find in my country.
Look on eBay UK, I have just bought the K1 MK2 with battery grip limited edition brand new for £1350
Where do you live?
I use a variety of mirrorless cameras, but I hold on to my Pentax DSLRs. It's hard to find a better landscape camera than the Pentax K-1, and those Limited lenses... Need I say more? It is, as you say, a photographer's camera in every sense of the word.
Thanks Brian, they really are. Amazing image quality and just so well thought out with innovative features. Great ergonomics. And tough! The Panasonic S1's mode wheel at the back has become stiff after wearing the camera around my neck on the walk. The Pentax K1 on the other hand has been thoroughly abused and just carries on regardless. Excellent build quality.
Mirrorless will totally replace DSLRs only in the minds of those who wants to see it this way. Cheap Canons and Nikons will die out rightfully, as some of them are worse than old point-and-shoot ones. But DSLRs have their niche and they are here to stay.
Yes, agreed. Pentax could do well with dSLRs incorporating new mirrorless technology. There are certainly some things that mirrorless won't be able to replace. Low power usage for example.
I currently use a Pentax K-70. kind of an update from the Pentax K-7. I know many have told me to use Lightroom to 'edit' my photos, but to be really honest, I don't really want more features than what I find in Pentax' Digital Camera Utility (Silkypix) as it feels a little more "old-school" (as it has many of the same settings I find on the camera). I feel it promotes the idea of trying to get the picture right on the first attempt.
I mostly enjoy nature photography and I really like Pentax' rendering of colors for that scenario... but nonetheless, I really appreciate videos like these that show different image tones/colors from different brands. I think they all look pretty good! I enjoy the variety. Kind of like different films in the film era.
Awesome video!
Nice you're getting the Pentax brand some exposure.
It's underappreciated where it excels
@@BJEPhoto Yup. I do a lot of landscape, portraiture and street. Not a video guy so its weaknesses are mostly irrelevant to me.
@@Clodrock I think of the K1's video as just something you would use as a backup in case your smartphone broke down. I don't think Pentax even put much effort into video and just put it there because it seems unthinkable for any camera to not have video nowadays.
The K1 is meant to be a stills camera and excels at that. I've been using it for about two years now. I do mostly night photography, astrophotography and landscapes and it is perfect for that. I occasionally do some bird photography and found the autofocus surprisingly good despite what the internet says about it. There are of course cameras that are much better at autofocus on fast moving subjects and if that is your main subject then the K1 is probably not the best choice but it is by no means a bad choice even for that.
You are right! The video on my smartphone is better than the K1 by far. It's an amazing photographers' camera though and still better than most in its price range.
Pentax has the perfect niche in OVF/DSLR. I would love to see them come out with a fixed lens camera for street photography. Something like a leica or Fujifilm x100 camera. That 36mp FF sensor in that type of camera would draw people to the brand.
Ricoh has a few, the GRiii is the latest. Lovely little cameras.
Griii and Griiix are exactly what you describe. And tiny tiny tiny APS-C sensor
Thanks for comparison! Its great to see the K-1 compared to a more modern mirrorless options. Still loving my K-1 but then I don't need video. There is a nice range of old Pentax glass available (and, I hesitate to point out, adaptable to other camera systems!) and I'm currently enjoying the character of a Pentax A 50 f1.2 (very happy with the results).
Thanks Jonathan, yes the fewer people realise that there's some excellent Pentax glass that's easily adapted the better! I've just been photographing with the 50mm f1.2 A this frosty morning actually; lovely lens. And for photography, especially landscapes, it's hard to beat the K1.
Tell me please, is 50 1.2 (without "A") and "A" version are optically the same?
Thanx
@@Xitrun I don't know for sure as I've only ever owned the 50mm f1.2 A. Some say it's better, some say they're the same (optically). Have a look at www.PentaxForums.com
@@BJEPhoto 👍thanx
Pixel shift in the Pentax isn't a high resolution mode, per se. Rather it attains full colour information at every pixel site by moving the sensor so each colour filter is brought to bear. I must say, though, the Pentax pixel shift images looked a lot better than the Panasonic ones.
Yes, that's right. I wonder how both will look with Adobe's new super resolution mode. The software could play a part too. I bought Silkypix Developer Studio Pro for the Panasonic but it isn't particularly good.
K-1 is going strong 5 years on and beyond. Amazing.
It's a real classic
Great video. Everything that needed to be said, was said with no annoying fill-talk. Thanks.
Thank you Harry
Great comparison. I use the K1 for all my stills work but also added the lumix G9 for travel and video. Looking into getting the S5 as a good all-around full frame camera, but don't think I can ever get rid of the K1!
That G9 looks great value. How do the files hold up against the K1's? How's the AF?
@@BJEPhoto The G9 is an absolute bargain for video work, especially with the V-LOG upgrade. AF is fantastic for stills, far more reliable than the K1 even for portraits, but the MFT sensor doesn't even come close to the DR and colors from the K1. The G9 is also much better for action and can shoot reliably up to 30fps, which surprised me for a contrast-based focus system. Ergonomics are good too for a small camera but nothing feels as good in my hand as the K1.
@@wesvdell Thanks, that sounds great. I wondered whether the autofocus was better than the K1. I imagined the image quality wouldn't compare. And the K1 grip is hugely underappreciated, I can't think of any other camera I've used that beats it short of some of the top-end pro bodies. Looking forward to seeing what they do with the GH6.
Pentax K-1.
When you look through the viewfinder directly at a powerful light source (mainly the Sun), you can see that are difficult to see, and even disappear (due to the internal reflections of light in the pentaprism I imagine), the green light diodes of exposure information (speed, aperture, EV, ISO, etc.)
Does anyone know how to solve this problem? Is it possible to adjust the power of the viewfinder's light diodes? Or how?
I've found that my Panasonic cameras have always exibited a slight magenta cast compared to my Canon and Nikon bodies (regardless of lenses used). This was easy enough to adjust for jpegs or Raw files in editing software such as Silkypix, but was almost impossible to set perfect in-camera at time of shooting. Whereas the Nikons such D800/810/850 always provide superb colour straight out of the camera, using Tiff or Jpegs.
Nice relaxed video comparison. Subscribed.😉
Thanks, yes, the Nikon cameras I've used have generally been well designed photographers' cameras
Interesting comparison of two different camera systems. It seems that Pentax is taking an evolutionary path to respond to technological developments that affect the cameras, it can be seen that in some area it has implemented several technology from the mirrorless camera system. Maybe in the future Pentax will more serious to create a hybrid camera.
I see so many videos of people comparing video quality of cameras whether dslr or mirrorless and complaining about some of the short comings. I have yet to see a single video of a comparison about cameras designed specifically for video and complaining about it's still photo short comings. Stop comparing and or complaining about video quality of a camera that's specific design was for "still" image capture and purchase a video specific camera. I am not directing this to you the producer, just in general.
Professional work increasingly requires both and having a single camera model that can shoot stills and video competently is desirable. Pentax is more of a purely photographers' camera because it's video is pretty much useless for professional requirements. Worth pointing that out to people who hear how good the photographs are and just assume the video will be acceptable too.
Nice video. I like the Pentax lenses. The 50-135mm is superb
Thanks, I've heard good things about the 50-135mm but never had the chance to try it.
@@BJEPhoto it's a great lens but it's for APS-C I'm afraid.
@@Alfredolunafoto1 Yes, although some can be adapted to work on the K1. The 300mm f4 works well. Have you seen the upcoming K3iii?
@@BJEPhoto HI. Yes, there are some APS-C lenses that work well in K-1. A little vignette but easily fixed in post. About K-3IIi, I still need to know about its tethering capabilities as I mainly work in studio. But it seems like a very nice camera. I'm waiting for more information... Also I've heard the price is going to be a little high. Let's wait for it and hope Ricoh Pentax release it soon.
@@Alfredolunafoto1 Excellent, I'd love to hear what you think if you decide to pick it up
Sono interessato all’acquisto di lumixS1H . Video -utile- per capire l’anima di S1H anche nel confronto con Pentax .
Saluti da Miland
Nice comparison of the pixelshift modes on both. Currently, I'm using the GH6 which does the, but hand-held and it works quite well. I miss my Pentax though... something rather reassuring about that mirror box and endless battery life.
I'm curious about the GH6, seems like a good choice. How does it compare to the Pentax?
@@BJEPhoto Ergonomics are fantastic on the GH6 and it's a chunky camera like many Pentax DSLRs. The 100 megapixel mode works like a cellphone with a bigger sensor and interchangeable lenses. If you don't need PDAF for video and video is your priority, I think the GH6 is perfect, especially if you're into slow-motion. If you want Panasonic, full-frame, and PDAF, you need to get the new S5ii. Otherwise, stick with the S1 or S1r- they're great too!
I love the colors of the pentax
And those colours love you
Great to see alot of things you brought up were my thoughts as well. I have had Pentax for close to a decade still have my K-1ii but purchased the Panasonic S5 and the Pentax has had minimal use since. Just can't say good bye though.
Interesting, my UA-cam analytics is quite literally 100% male so a very warm welcome milady. Yes, that Panasonic S5 looks excellent. I suspect the S1/S1R sales weren't as high as expected so they made the S5 a great value proposition. I was very tempted vs the S1 and it still might yet become a companion to mine. I wonder if one day we'll see a Pentax with great autofocus and video capabilities. The K1 still beats many cameras in all manner of ways, resilience chief among them.
@@BJEPhoto thanks for the warm welcome :). Photography is still very much a male dominated industry and technical side I find even less women for some reason. I research the death out of my equipment so love comparison videos etc and was so happy to see yours as it had taken the same journey as myself. The S1r was a very close contender for me but it was very heavy and didn't feel as comfortable in my hand and when the S5 came out it fitted all of my needs small mirrorless and very capable FF. I do'n''t think Pentax will venture towards video for the foreseeable future it has been a bedbug for many Pentax users for many years and it is such a shame. Although in saying that I have used what has been produced with quite acceptable results. The new K-3 iii maybe will be the answer lol I jest in good faith with the new OVF maybe it will be aligned for some AF improvements. In saying that I have never really had an issue with the AF I just used what I had and still got awesome output. Fully agree about the resilience I must say I don't have the same faith in the Panasonic equipment as I do in the Pentax equipment for that. Lets just say some casing needed resticking on my G-9 on the SD door it come off after 9 months of fairly gentle use. I guess it will need another 9 years to prove its worth before I trust it like my Pentax gear lol.
@@veronicasorley Thanks, yes I agree it may take an aeon before Pentax incorporates more video features. I'll be interested to see the K3iii' autofocus. It's likely to be as tough as its brethren. The build quality is superb. I had the S1 soaking wet from melted snow earlier with the 70-200mm f2.8 and it handled it well. But I don't trust it in the wet as much as the K1. And a hip bump temporarily broke the rear dial on the Panasonic while the Pentax takes a regular beating and keeps on going. Lovely cameras. The S5 is a better hybrid camera by far though.
Surely shortlist depends largely on the lens -would it not have been better to have use the same lens on each camera if possible.
I think I did with some of the RAW files. But I also wanted to compare equivalent lenses from both brands. Both 'kit' zooms are excellent.
I'll stick with my excellent Nikon D610 for some time. For APS-C I have K-5 & K-30. Of course the K1/K1-mkII is on my wanted list, but still too expensive.
The problem with older DSLRs is the low resale value. Better value being kept & used. The K1s being the exception. They still are quite pricey in the used market.
Good choice Lars; I had the D600 and then, courtesy of Nikon, the D610, for years. Excellent value cameras, lovely sensor. I sold it recently for a couple of hundred so excellent value for someone. I'm glad to hear the K1 has some resale value still - but I don't think I'll sell mine anytime soon, it's probably got too many battle-scars to be worth that much!
Do yourself the favor and get the Pentax..Unless you are going to get the MIGHTY Nikon D850,I would not touch a Nikon,which has become the RECALL KING,that also needs firmware updates,for the AF.Now they have the Z series,part2 ,which I might peek at,yet with my Pentax,I do not have to deal with any possible quality issues.I have used my Pentax k1mk2 since it was on preorder,and took it right to do a shoot in New Orleans,where I knew I made the right choice..It never overheats,it laughs at rain,snow,cold,etc,etc..
@@michaels5166 thx for the info. yes I've read a lot of negatives about the 850 too. Was never on my mind though. K1 or K1-II or the upcoming K3-III are what I'm pondering.
@@northof-62 If you are looking for pure shooting,composing,and getting it right in camera,the K1 is your holy grail.It let's you grab it,into a bag,or carry it in hand,and just use it.I shoot in nYC streets and no one is offended nor bothered by the size.If fact,the dominant question is,am I a photographer,not can I shoot some music video.Its not a toy,doesnt look like one,doesnt feel like one,and it's so easy to get around,with buttons,dials,and a screen that's so clear,you can probably see it from 10 feet away.I have shot at 4am,maybe around 1600-3200,and it shines,it loves the nightlife.I believe you can get the body,kit lens,70-200@2.8,and two primes,2 128GB SD cards,and maybe a couple of spare batteries.The batteries last ALL day,and even now,I am in NC,with just one battery and the charger.You can shoot DNG RAW and JPEG,and you can tether the camera to a tablet/phone.Do not bother with expensive overpriced software,and go the open source route.
@@michaels5166 Thx for sharing your exprience there.
Straight from camera on the hi res shots, the colours on the Panasonic seem really odd / weird to my eye, not very realistic? I know this can be changed in PP, but I like to start from the right point!
Could be the picture profile? There are quite a few options to choose from; most of these were Landscape profile.
Wow I thought I was the only one with a Pentax k1 and a Panasonic s1
Great taste Brother ;-)
@@BJEPhoto chose it for the same reason
K1 and S1R user here as well. I do look at my S1R as a sort of a mirrorless K1. Both are large, heavy, and very well thought out cameras.
I have a Panasonic s1, s5 and just bought a k1 :) currently.. started on a lumix point n shoot , my first dslr was a Pentax kx, then k30, k5iis … then Nikon d750 because at the time Pentax didn’t offer a full frame .. Pentax has always been my favorite to use
Nice video, mate! How does the k1 compare to the s1r? I feel like they're more comparable?
I found the K1 much more comfortable to hold and more resilient than the S1R. I like the optical viewfinder on the K1 but the S1's viewfinder is excellent and very useful. The S1R's video is much better by far. The S1R will output higher resolution images by quite a big margin and the sensor shift allows for a bit of movement, unlike the K1. That said, the K1's pixel shift looks excellent. Hard to compare because of the resolution differences. The K1 has more photographer-centric features like astrotracer, GPS, more moveable screen etc. But the S1R is more customisable. I'd choose the K1 probably unless I was doing more video. But that could be because I'm used to it so best to compare them both side by side to see which you prefer.
@@BJEPhoto thank you for taking time to reply. Appreciate it!
excellent content
Thank you Steve
great video, IQ of pentax is always stunning, i ve got Pentax kp and Lumix G9, i use my kp more for daily walks and my G9 for birding and video , i guess both get well :P
I'm tempted by the G9 for the longer reach with video, looks like a great camera with the firmware upgrades. How are you finding it?
@@BJEPhoto I am not Eder but I can share some insights. The G9 is a proper hybrid camera. Some GH5/GH5s users swear that they get better videos from their G9 vs their GH5/GH5s cameras. I still prefer videos coming from MFT cameras. I find that the G9/GH5/GH5s has crisper video quality vs the small format equivalents. Panasonic is committed to the MFT format because they say they can't replicate a certain quality from the smaller sensor vs any small format camera on the market. The handheld shots are also way more stable in the G9 vs the small format equivalents. Cheers.
@@eldorado5650 Thanks Eldo, yes that G9 looks great value with the firmware update. How is the autofocus in your experience?
@@BJEPhoto Welcome. I really haven't found that much issue with the autofocus for my wildlife/birding continuous AF shots.
I understand there is a concern coming from forums about the contrast-detect AF but I am able to work around the system. With the older smaller models like the GF7 and GM5 and with the correct shutter-speed, my AF-C bird shots shots are 100% in focus. WIth the G9, the updated DFD just makes shooting with AF-C much more reliable. So with shutter priority, depending on light levels, the correct shutter speed will give the best AF-C performance and with aperture priority, AF/AE lock gives the user total control. It won't be as flexible as the shutter priority mode but when the subject is locked in the AF/AE box, focus will be perfect. By the way, I got the tips/workaround from experienced bird photographers using Panasonic and Olympus systems.
I tried to replicate the AF issues in the forums and was only able to do so in full auto and programme modes, which I don't use at all. Also, I find that some of the AF concerns are more confined with some lenses, like the 14-140mm, rather than the body.
With AF-S (single) I don't find any issues, at all. Cheers.
@@eldorado5650 Thanks Eldo, great to hear that. I'd love to shoot with the G9 someday and compare it with the S1. I assume the m4/3rds sensors will be a blessing for smaller super-telephoto lenses
What camera did you use to shoot this video?
I think the Redmi K20 Pro for quite a lot of it, otherwise the S1
Pentax K1 has amazing colors...very very good hues,better than Canon in my opinion...i use Canon since 8 years,changed couple of them...6D was the last beautiful colors,after that everything is different in the bad way.
Thank you
Maybe the 'one push ae' feature will work the same as the green button?
Yes! Thanks very much, this works perfectly. That's another plus for the Panasonic S1; the buttons are hugely customisable.
@@BJEPhoto Glad to hear it. I remember stumbling across the feature on my gx85 and wondering who the heck would use it, nice that it came in useful.
I actually have a question. On my old Nikon slr, I could use af-l, and it would stop focusing while the button was held. On the gx85 and lx10, setting it to af-l would work the same as af-on, so it would do a one-shot focus, then hold. I wanted to use the button to avoid refocusing. Has this bug been fixed on the S1?
@@1fareast14 How are you finding the Gx85? I've heard good things about it.
Sure, it could be a customisation setting. In AF-C on the settings menu, there's an option for AF/AE Lock Hold. I've switched that off otherwise it acts like a toggle on/off. I've switched Shutter AF and Quick AF on. I've remapped the AF-On button to AF-L. The S1 then focusses continually except and only while the AF-ON (remapped to AF-L) is pressed.
That said the autofocus on the S1 isn't particularly good and sometimes even the K1's AF seems faster and more reliable. This is with the Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8 lens. So I tend to focus manually (the S1's viewfinder and zoomed-in view is lovely for that) or use single-point AF-S with the AF-On button and the Shutter AF disabled. Hopefully firmware updates will mean that we'll be able to rely on AF-C more often; and bear in mind that I'm still getting used to the camera, too.
@@BJEPhoto Re: Gx85
I like it, especially for how cheap it is.
It's small enough to fit it a in a tiny camera bag, along with 1.8 primes. Since I mostly do street, social, and concert photos, size matters.
The stabilization system is good enough that the camera is just acceptable in low light. I like showing motion blur and shoot at 1/20th regularly. Those who want more should go ff or mf. iso 3200 acceptable mechanical, 2000 with eshutter.
Aside from the crop, video quality is strong. No record limit on my us model. Need to do a minor trick with an html app spoof to unlock the cinelike d profile.
Face detection is mostly good. However it will raise the exposure. So if a face flickers in and out of detection, exposure will pump.
Built in flash works well enough for impromptu group shots, using red eye mode. In camera raw processor has saved me when needing to deliver images quickly. Surprisingly durable. My first few months of ownership were careless, and it took some wicked drops. After popping in a plastic clip, it's good. Once the evf went screwy, but have not reproduced it since.
Screen viewing angles are good.
The button layout is not perfect for one handed use. Too many controls require a heavy stretch down with the thumb with eye in finder. Touch and drag af works ok with two hands. The grip is also mediocre, though nowhere near as bad as the a6xxx series. There is a strap lug that dug into the base of my index finger till I adjusted. My back dial is now only reliably turns in one direction, a click to the left registers to the right if I press too hard. The evf has a rainbow tearing effect noticeable when moving the eye and on fast pans.
There is no way to focus stopped down without switching to manual mode. This is an issue, because my 25mm 1.7 has focus shift, which can soften the image from f2.2 to f4. Eshutter appears to add 2/3 stops of noise.
The camera is dense, feels like it has something very heavy inside it near the tripod mount. This coupled with the small grip can make it a bit fatiguing to hold. By comparison, my Em1 is heavier, but the weight is more evenly distributed.
As with all pannys, no sync is support for Oly lenses (and vice versa for dual is on oly). I have no need for anything with it, but it still bothers me that the mft system is not perfectly interoperable.
Overall, my biggest complaint about the gx85 is that there is no upgrade to it.
a6000 feels like garbage and has angled shutter button, hard to press wiht thumb at low angle. Same with a7c, no front dial for no reason.
Gx8 has worse ibis, and I dislike flip screens. gx9 has a worse grip and no major technical advancement.
Fuji x-pro2 has an ovf that I love, but screen does not tilt. x-pro3 cut an ovf magnification and has an insulting hidden screen.
It's a shame that the rangefinder style is either done cheaply or as impractical luxury.
@@1fareast14 Great review of the GX85 thanks! I've had a look and it's slightly altered for different markets. You've obviously really got to grips with yours such that it's become an extension of your eye. That's always best. Smaller cameras that you can carry everywhere are superb tools.
It seems likely that phone cameras will continue to improve, especially bolstered by computational imaging advances, so a smartphone will become an increasingly obvious choice for casual photo/videography. Quite a lot of this review was shot with the Redmi K20 Pro handheld and ungraded. Their parent company, Xiaomi, just partnered with BlinkAI for better low-light performance, and OmniVision has a good-looking new sensor. Even the shallow depth of field effect is getting better too.
Where does that leave photography? I think it will incresingly become about the feel and joy of using a camera - both to learn how to See and to enjoy the flow of creativity. That's partly why I like the Pentax and using some vintage primes like the 77mm limited. Ergonomics is part of it, so is choosing the 'right' gear for you. It's true that it's important to focus on the subject and results, f8 and be there, but there's a mindfulness in the act of creation that is its own reward.
Great comparison! I'm tempted by both of these excellent cameras.
Thanks Chris! What sort of photography/ videography do you want to do?
@@BJEPhoto I'm about 95 percent photography and 5 percent video and it's almost entirely landscape, architecture, and street. Video's never been a big deal to me and I think the video files I get from the K-5 are just fine, though the 4gb limit is a major problem. I just set the aperture to F8, focus on something 3 meters away, and shoot. The thing is, I'd actually like to do a lot more videography than I do now but again, that 4gb limit on my K-5 is a killer and only gives me a few minutes of 1080p video before cutting off. I've really had my eye on the S1 (and Canon's R6) for a while now because it just seems like the perfect camera in every way and 24mp is, IMHO, the perfect compromise of IQ to file size, especially for someone like me who doesn't regularly print poster size. From your video, the S1 files have that really weird "otherworldly" green like I've seen in the video files from Olympus M4/3 cameras and I don't like it one bit. It's garish and fake looking. In fact, the whole image had a cold, greenish cast to it (white balance issue?) and I much prefer a warmer image in most cases (though not nearly as warm as Nikon, they go too far the other way). Pentax just nails those greens better than probably any other camera manufacturer and the RAW files I get from my Pentax are pretty much the most accurate I've ever seen, even if not quite as pleasing to the eye as Canon's or Fuji's colors. In fact, I'd say that's Pentax's specialty, those incredible greens, which is one reason why I chose the K-5 to begin with. Now, I'd love to know what's your take on the continuous autofocus performance between the S1 and the K1? I LOVE the idea of not having to worry about keeping my subject in focus in favor of playing with the composition. If the S1 has significantly better continuous autofocus, especially eye AF, I would choose it over the K1 regardless of the price difference. I worry about those weird Panasonic greens but I do a lot of post processing, so that wouldn't really be a problem in the long run, I'd just add color balance into my workflow. Thanks again, mate! BTW, I just subscribed to your channel. I love that you reply quickly to your commenters. Keep up the good work!
@@Nocturnalis1978 Yes, the K5 is a lovely landscape camera, and you also have access to some great APSc primes like the 20-40mm and 15mm. I was a bit surprised by how different the pictures are actually. They have the same focal length, same aperture, shutter speed, ISO sensitivity and manually set white balance. I presume the different lenses have an impact (there's a few RAW files both with the Pentax 77mm), and the different colour profiles with Pentax leaning more towards landscapes, as you say with reference to the presentation of greens.
I've always been underwhelmed by Pentax' autofocus. The S1 also has a well-deserved reputation for poor auto-focus, especially with video, where the DFD system makes it pulse distractingly. The S1 tries to be smarter with person/animal & eye recognition among other features but these haven't been entirely convincing yet. AF-s is pretty snappy on both cameras. But, manual-focus on the mirrorless S1 is far ahead of the K1. The high-resolution electronic viewfinder, focus-peaking and zoom make manually focussing much better than the K1 such that I'm happier using manual focus large aperture primes. But for continuous autofocus? Both cameras are far behind Canon and Sony. And thanks, glad you like my videos. It's more to connect with fellow photography enthusiasts than anything else.
@@BJEPhoto I'm actually kind of surprised to hear that the S1 autofocus isn't that great. I know DFD isn't up to the hybrid AF standard in Sony and Nikon or the dual pixel AF of Canon but I was under the impression that at 6fps with AF, the S1 hits its mark at least 90 percent of the time. I was just reading DP reviews S1 review and it looked to me like the tracking AF did really well. Did you happen to download the newest firmware? I'd love to know what the S1 is like with the new S5 AF enhancements. The S5 is also very tempting for me but I prefer a larger, more rugged body, so when I heard about the latest firmware, I figured it would negate any advantages of the S5 other than the smaller size. I guess ideally, I'd get both systems but I don't really see much need for 2 very large systems. For me, it would come down to only one larger format system, either Pentax, Panasonic, or Canon (or maybe even the 645Z and all those brilliantly inexpensive 2nd hand lenses on ebay) and a go everywhere/back-up m4/3 camera like the GX9. It's a problem these days 'cause we're so spoiled with so many amazing choices.
@@Nocturnalis1978 Yes, so far I haven't been very impressed with the continous autofocus, especially compared to the Sony A7iii and Canon R6. The S5 is tempting, it looks like a great value camera. Although the image quality isn't quite as good at high ISOs judging by the DPReview samples. I haven't reviewed the 645z but the viewfinder and build quality on the 645d was lovely. Partly why I chose the S1 was the glimmer of hope for an eventual full-frame Sigma Merrill sensor one day. But then if I was waiting, I'd probably end up very tempted by the A7iv and GH6 when they arrive.
Pentax users are very loyal to the brand
Like religious devotees. I'm agnostic bar the lenses I have. Just looking for the best value for me.
You didn't compare the autofocus, buffer and FPS
Don't be lazy; FPS and buffer takes two seconds to Google. Autofocus is very dependent on the lens but I'd say they're both significantly slower and less accurate than Sony, and slightly slower and less accurate than Canon & Nikon too. The Panasonic uses depth from defocus which sometimes works quickly but sometimes gets confused and doesn't work at all, even with good light and relatively simple scenes. Because the autofocus isn't entirely reliable on either camera I tend to use manual focus a lot, and the Panasonic S1's EVF and adjustable focus peaking is much better for that.
Salisbury and surrounding area?
Not a million miles away
Interesting! specially seeing that these are both around the same price new give or take 100£. The S1 and Lumix system look like the much better choice going forward. Now a video comparing your S1 and BlackMagic camera please :)
Thanks Buddy, I agree that the S1 is the more logical all-rounder, although for the absolute bet-value photography tool I think your A7iii is hard to beat. Especially autofocus and battery life. How are you getting on with it?
That BMPCC 4K has such a lovely image! And the bmraw files are lovely to work with in Resolve. And with the greater depth of field from the smaller sensor, especially when combined with a speedbooster, it's a lovely combination. Above all it's just such an intuitive, fun camera to use. Much simpler menus than either of these cameras. If I was just doing cinematography I'd probably get the 6K.
We're so spoiled for choice with these cameras. Apparently a firmware update may update in-body 5.9k recording on the S1 and a few more features. If they could just fix the auto-focus it would be really marvellous. Good toys ;-)
price of body and kit lens is not close with both systems...
Mirrorless are only the future for the lazy one's. Until now the best camera's on the market are Pentax K1 Mark II and Nikon D850
False. As people increasingly use screens, so video becomes essential for the best cameras. They're both great cameras but the future's moving.
@@BJEPhoto Well, you said it, K1 is a photographer's camera, and i think photography is starting to become a dying medium
@@bearbearingston7696 Fight for its survival good Brrr
The Pentax made better images. More accurate colour and better image plasticity. Pentax video is still not a thing.
It may have been worth adding a Sony body to your kit to add video to your kit.
Pentax need to refresh the K1 and it will be interesting to see what is presented as its latest iteration. The Panasonic is more modern and designed for videography. The K1 is still a great proposition.
The K1 and S1 both seem much tougher than the smaller Sony bodies which have some great tech but at a steep price. I was tempted to wait for the A7iv. Who knows when the K1 replacement will arrive.
Major difference is video and, of course, cost.
And the mirror ;-)
Well, yes, there's that. :P
This isn't Barcelona anymore.
Back to rainy Blighty!
@@BJEPhoto Oh yikes! Somewhere in the Chilterns by the looks of it.
@@gordonblues843 Well recognised :-) How are things with you?
@@BJEPhoto Well, I've lived in both places! But no plans to go back to UK. Things ok thanks. Hopefully 2021 will be better than 20. Eish...
@@gordonblues843 I suppose the silver lining, especially as photographers, is that we're literally living through history!
Pricing of the systems is nowhere close.Try getting a 50mm prime with Panasonic,and the lens alone is more than the Pentax body.Then it's a horrible comparison because the Panasonic has shaky,quirky AF,which makes it less than ideal except in manual mode.The Panasonic logically should be better with it being newer and supposedly better mirrorless tech,yet we know better with many examples,like the EOS/Z series cameras which were trumped by their older DSLR cousins.I was checking out Panasonic,yet it made no logical sense to spend real money on any camera with wack AF in 2019 and beyond.I know the bodies and kits lenses were used,and I have not had any issues with my K1mk2.It does what it is supposed to,and we know that there is NO factual evidence that XQD vs SD cards makes any difference,except in speed,in some cases.There's this myth going around SD cards fail more often,and it's a lie.In fact,it's a fact that when you mix media,the slower media affects the overall speeds,so it's like having a Mustang with a 4 cylinder engine...
Thanks, good comment. I haven't bought an XQD/CFExpress card yet and didn't get the Nikon Z6 for that reason. Nikon states theyr're more durable. Physically this may be true. I think marketing nears the ridiculous when they talk about extraordinarily tough memory cards though. It's largely a non-issue for me. Mine, and I imagine most professionals', are either protected in the camera or protected in the camera bag. However, I've had loads of SD cards fail over the years, so the idea that CF Express cards may be more reliable is appealing. Brinkman of Nikon Europe said the failure rate of XQD cards is 'close to zero'. But I've also not seen any data that substantiate that claim. They're also expensive, like the fastest SD cards, and don't fit in my laptop. I tend to shoot solely in manual mode and judge the exposure from experience but I do use autofocus occasionally and the Panasonic isn't competitive with Sony or Canon yet. Or my ancient Nikon D2Xs come to think about it. The S1 video autofocus seems adversely affected by a low frame rate and V-Log by the way.
@@BJEPhoto The XQD cards are listed as 'more robust' and other catch phrases,which is just BULLSHI for us to buy more expensive crap.The cards are protected in the camera or in cases,and any failure rates probably have to do with the body/software,not the media.I dont do opinions,I do PROOF and since there's no raw facts,I will use whatever works,not what is hyped.I would NEVER quote what Nikon,King Of Recalls,says about 'durable'.and they need to focus on making their camera gear 'durable' instead of over 17+ recalls.That's like me getting car buying advice from Sony or Kodak.Besides CF EXpress and XQD type media are specialty items,not something we NEED,for the most part.Most of us do NOT make a successful living and pay off $400k+ mortgages,college educations,and have i9 workstations/servers with a photograpahy business.Most of us do not shoot for National Geographic,and need XQD for HBO stories and 600mm glass.Most of us are outside,taking phones and taking pics/video.
@@michaels5166 Anecdotally I've heard they tend to be reliable but let's wait until there's actual data to substantiate that. I read of one Nikon-sponsored PHOTOgrapher who had fifty plus XQD cards. The BMPCC 4K and FP's ability to use normal SSD drives via USBc is great for video.
@@BJEPhoto
Listen,you are going back and forth about nothing,because they're not even messing around much with XQD cards.CF Express and SD cards are what we are using on Planet Earth.Plus,not to knock Nikon per se,yet it seems some Nikon shooter constantly has something to say,as if the world needs to listen.Let's examine some logical and facts.Are we really trying to take the word of someone who shoots for the RECALL KING,from the shooters who supported the lies about the original Z series cameras?
Nikon shooters were trying to convince me and sometimes we trying to debate about the success and usefulness of the Z6/7,and I forecasted that was nonsense.As soon as I saw that one card slot,i knew there would be issues.I read their misinformation and told them that their stories about having 2-3 bodies was silly.I told then they were overpriced,underspecced,and touted as professional bodies,when they were NOT.Of course,I was100% correct,because the MIGHTY Nikon D850 DSLR,by itself,outsold ALL of the Z series cameras COMBINED.
Now if the Z6mk2 is a real remake,i might look at it and buy it,yet that remains to be seen.Point being,just because someone makes a claim about something they do,does not mean it's valid for anyone else.I am tired of going back and forth about OPINIONS and stories,so if there's no FACTS,i dont care..
@@BJEPhoto Oh and XQD cards have been out long enough to see if they are any better than something else..
Aun a día de hoy, el vídeo no es una prioridad para Pentax ni para muchos de sus usuarios.
Verdad, tengo mi telefono
No camera in the world can shoot astrophotography and even with a pixel shift and with a shutter speed of up to 3 minutes! K1 and comparison are not appropriate here.
You know Brother, Pentax really make something very special. Loads of innovative features that you miss when you use other cameras.
Pentax are a disaster when it comes to lenses. A smattering of different designs, materials, expensive but sub par limited lenses. What has happened? The Pentax M42 lenses were beautiful.
Designing for a much smaller market than Canon, Sony et all so they don't have the economies of scale. The 50mm and 85mm are both excellent lenses, likewise the 70-200mm. But heavy and relatively slow to focus. I like the K1 with the 28-105mm, 31mm, 43mm and 77mm for a photography package. Lots of manual lenses to choose from too. The alternative is mirrorless but I don't think the digital viewfinder can be that good for the eye longterm.
The Takumar's still are beautiful - my only beef is the lack of weather-sealing which reduces the usability of my K1 in bleak weather. The new zooms aren't optically inferior, nor expensive in relation to the competition, but not the most comprehensive range.