Repair of an old German Stradiuarius violin Neuner & Hornsteiner workshop 803
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Sorry to see all these stupid comments below:
Yes - it's a German Stradiuarius copy by the Neuner & Hornsteiner workshop in Mittenwald / Germany ...
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Guitarist here but I am absolutely in love with violin making and repair videos. The attention to detail and craftsman ship that violins take is incredible.
Another guitarist here. Fantastic craftsmanship. What a brilliant player that musician! I lo ed every second d of this video. I will watch it several times. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you Werner Hertzog for another great documentary.
HAHAHA
Lovely work, I really enjoyed watching the restore process. I did miss the positioning and adjustment of the soundpost, and how you assessed the best position for it.
It does sound like you got it right!
This is a violin "modeled after" or "copied from" a Stradivarius pattern. It was made in the workshop of Neuner and Hornsteiner in Mittenwald, Germany in the very early part off the Twentieth Century. Neuner and Hornsteiner was a very reputable luthier firm. Their copies are quite good and can run into the thousands of dollars.
Wow, thanks for the full on restoration experience and the sound is great and the playing in the end is beautiful
I have one of those violins, found it in a school cupboard. No cracks in mine. Sounds great.
German Strads. Cool! Can't wait for Polish Michelangelos.
Don't worry - be happy: You'll always have real FRENCH fries at McDonalds,
+Stefan Avalos stradivari was making violins, of which are a specific model, are meant to sound a specific way, through replications. while michelangelo was sculpting works of art, that are not repetitive processes used to create the same outcome. stradivari sought to put music into the hands of the people, michelangelo wanted to show the world art. very different.
+Bo Huggabee Unfortunately, you missed the joke.
Stefan Avalos but the joke doesn't make sense. now jb violins was funny.
+Bo Huggabee ok here's the explanation... Stradivari was an Italian violin maker. So, a "German Stradivari" is as silly and impossible as saying a "Polish Michelangelo" - because ... Where is Michelangelo from?
Wow those young people are awesome, a good thing to see them being trained by " The Old Master"
Enjoy seeing your shop Ann the work being done thank you
Complimenti per l'Arte, la Maestria e il bellissimo sorriso della ragazza che ha fatto davvero un ottimo lavoro.
Fantastic video! Thanks for posting. 👍
That was really fantastic to watch.
What a fascinating video. I saw no sound post being inserted. Was it completed and played without a sound post ? I know nothing about violins, but am trying to learn, so some experts out there might find my question silly. Please be understanding.
Also, will the bridge need to be completely re-fitted, after this repair ?
I was disappointed that the work to re-attach the neck was not shown.
If it helps you to understand. The plate is glued on first. The sound post is fitted later through the f-hole.
Какой чистый звук.Мастера молодцы!
This violin lives another day truly lovely! Please show more on french polishing techniques thanks!
More to come!
Surrounded by beautiful women and wonderful violins. You have a very good life I think!
Yeahhh!! Lindsey stirling music in the background!! Mouhahaha
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!
Lol
This was a very enjoyable video. You do great work, thank you.
Tolle Arbeit 🙏🏻 Was für ein grandioser Violinist 👌🏻🙏🏻
thanks again for this beautiful video. Did you - sorry did she! - use Dragon's blood with alcohol based varnish also for this retouch? .....yes! what a beautiful life among all these beautiful ladies and violins;)
Lovely - thank you so much for posting this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing! And so moving...
Love the Lindsey music. Well done.
Quedó muy bien ,,es hermoso
Why is the treble F hole crooked? The bass one looks fine, straight up and down. That treble one looks canted to the inside. What happenef? You are a brave person. It takes great finesse I think, to ever take an instrument aparr. Thank you for letting us watch.
Beautiful instrument And Beautiful Woman
And how BEAUTIFUL, this girl has hands!
He is good at repairing old violins or violas.
I bought one similar to this label says "Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis Faciebat Anno 1713
Made in Czechoslovakia" 1930's
Repairing a guitar I cut the little pyramids to shape first..Much easier and less risky . One guitar had been stood on , and the back was split from top to bottom .
how much they charge for this job?
escutei alguem falando em português do Brasil, onde é essa tenda?
Eu também escutei... I also wanted someone talking in Brazilian Portuguese...
VERY GOOD WORK ... I AM IN ARGENTINA AND WOULD MAKE A CONSULTATION, restore a very old violin gave me that he was very DAMAGED PAINT .. ALL THE SAND AND A FIST and droplets of shellac YOU I WAS GIVING UNTIL MANY HANDS BIE was very .. WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE rECOMMENDED I can pass shellac or varnish or OTHER rECOMMENDED FOR WHAT WOOD vibration. THANK YOU
Very good video! Its really interresting i hope theres more!
Well done thanks for posting
What kind of glue is used to repair the cracks?
Oooh, big mistake, sorry and congratulationes, beautiful work
Please you could someone give me a hint on how to take off the ebony scale glued from Cello arm. Luthiery'm learning by myself, because I live far from the large urban centers of my country. I intend to form a first musical group with stringed instruments in my municipality. I am very grateful.
Какие красивые руки у девочки :-)
what do you use to restore the finish after you re-glue? thank you
are those cleats gonna hold just by gluing them down with your thumb? I know violins are mostly fragile and don't excert forces like bigger stringed instruments do. but I would still clamp those cleats in place
Hide (animal) glue shrinks as it dries and it doesn't creep like other wood glues.
They know what they are doing.
To trim down the cleats, why not use a dremel. Would be dangerous, but so would a knife slip. Any thoughts?
dremels destroy would fiber. they are like mini chainsaws.
Bo Huggabee Thats the point. Trim down the cleats, not the violin body. And you can get fine carbide tips at high speed to get smooth grind.
Slap Stick not microscopically...
Nope. Chiseling away would more likely cause separation of wood fibers, although I don't see that happening as long as the chisels are sharp.
Slap Stick knives get a far cleaner cut than saws. their edge is finer than any drill bit. besides carbides, aren't necessarily sharper, they are just stronger
I realise that with no repair it will not sound at all, but will these repairs alter the sound of the original instrument in any significant way, will it have a new tone to it afterwards ?
Steel Standing the short answer is yes because anytime you add or take away materials from an object it changes it's acoustics. The game is to not add/take away too much so that you are not affecting the tone too extremely. The act of removing the top however can greatly alter the sounds of a string instrument immediately so it is best to avoid that if possible. The alternative here however would be leaving the cracks which would surely produce some horrific sounds of wood edges vibrating against each other which would cause more damage eventually and could eventually lead to the instrument being beyond reasonable repair.
I'm sure I heard someone listening to Lindsay Stirling early in the video!
Increible la prueba final del violín!
Hello everybody!
Can someone share with me the second part bowing sequence for Sur Le Fil(Yann Tiersen)[14:44] Second part [16:36]? I can't find it, and its too fast to really understand what he is playing. I really want to play this song as this performance. Thank you all!
The majority of production violins made in the last hundred years or so are reproductions of the old Italian masters. The label identifies which master, and which era it is patterned after.
When I used to own my music store I would get a laugh when ever some one would call excitedly telling me he found a " Stadivarius" in his grandfathers bedroom. Look inside any violin and there's a good chance it will have a Stradivarius label. Of course, most individual builders will put their own label inside.
By the way,Slap Stick no reputable repair man would use a dremel inside a violin! The knife or chisel or violin plane will offer much more control, and allow a practiced hand to take it down to a couple of mls or even paper thin.
I live in Peru and I have a violin ANTONIUS CREMONENFIS faciebat STRADIVARIUS MADE IN GERMANY ANNO 17, can you tell me what is its value?
That is a difficult question without seeing the instrument. Here is some information of violins labeled Stradivarius.
Since the late 1800’s, makers of violins, mostly in western and eastern Germany, were producing tens of thousands of violins annually, labeled "Antonius Stradivarius, Cremonenfis Faciebat Anno 17," or some other famous makers name. They were also made world-wide in such places as Bulgaria, China, Czechoslovakia, France, Japan, England and elsewhere.
They frequently also included the circular embellishment on these labels that included a cross above the initials "A" and "S". More often than not, the last two digits of the date were penciled or inked in by hand. Sometimes it was left blank. After 1700, Stradivari only block printed the 1, leaving the final 3 digits to fill in by hand.
These manufacturers, in towns such as Bubenreuth, Mittenwald, Markneukirchen, and Mirecourt, mass produced these violins in the beginning by hand or more recently by machine and labeled them exactly as the old masters did. As early as 1914, for legal reasons, the words "Copy of" or "Model" were often included on the labels. Stradivari never left Italy and never learned English.
Millions of these instruments exist today.
Stradivari is believed to have made around 1,100 instruments during his lifetime, roughly 500 violins remain.
Obviously it is not a real Strad as you know. The copies were sometimes good and very often not so. The copies are worth from nothing up to around $3000 for the very best. Take it to a violin shop for an appraisal to be sure. Many shops do not charge for a verbal appraisal.
Wondering why you use a brush to apply the glue and push it into the crack rather that a syringe that would inject the glue into it?
Because it's a cheap copy and doesn't merit the expense of a syringe.
@@c.a.g.3130 It should be done from the back and you will never get full penetration of the glue without a syringe to inject it.
What's the final song's name??? I just loved that song :)
I'm sure the information was good but I couldn't watch the video as it was sooo jerky. Please get a tripod sir.
And stop talking!
Didn't see sound post removed nor installed on your repair video
just bought an old RW violin
is it easy to repair small scratches in varnish?
can i try it myself?
Did you install the sound post. Did not see it in the video and it was not there when the violin was disassembled.
Exactly! I noticed that myself.
Which type of glue/gum to be used?
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How much did this violin end up selling for? Just curious. Thanks!
there is one part of the repairs that made the violin remind me of a person who had major surgery to implant pins to repair a broken leg .
Looks identical to mine,which unfortunately has no label. Got mine for £50 in a junkshop!
Wow does it play good? Did u have restored?
+Picco bow I restored it. Fortunately it just needed cosmetic cleaning and tidying because it was filthy,and the strings had turned green and stuck to the fingerboard. It plays and sounds nicely. I had it valued and they said it was worth £600-£800 pounds.
What kind of wood are those cleats/reinforcements made of?
i think wood type isnt important at all they tiny so any good soft hard wood like spruce maple anything on disposable is ok .important think grain if u cross the those tiny cleats agaist grain its will streng up if again crch will stop there cant crack up cleats so gone stop there.thats why they put so many tiny cleats if u put world hardestwood from same grain driection it can be carack with top
they moslty use good wood becouse of even they tiny still not mess with sound that why maple spruce etc i think moslty.and they scolpped loot of those tiny so not couse any vibration change
What kind of strings did you put on it?
Excellent
Lindsey Stirling in the background at 1:30, if I'm not mistaken?
And what a beautiful girl with these beautiful hands!
To test if it is a true Strad copy, the tweeter region (left of the left f-hole) needs to be properly carved, as well as, under the fingerboard on the top plate. BTW, cleating completely destroys the delicate nuanced sound of a true Strad. A.S. carved his top plates to 1/10 mm accuracy to the desired topology. This was his trade secret.
good job
Thanks
What material is the mould made of?
Don’t they mean a german imitation of a strad? I don’t think Stradivari ever made a violin in Germany.
the varnish on my old german violin glows opaque and pale olive green under uv light. What causes this? the varnish is clear and brown in normal light.
@123rewd shellac was what I meant. Thanks for telling me how they made it,quite fascinating! I wonder if there is something in the beetle that causes shellac to look green under u.v. light though? I dont think I would be brave enough to attempt to resurface my violin incase I ruined it. Its Victorian as far as I can tell. Under the u.v. light its the varnish itself that looks green. Thinner or worn areas dont show up.
What is the current value of this violin?
20 millions?
Va a salir más cara la reparación, de lo que vale .
Your English is so excellent. Did you live in an English-speaking country for any length of time?
She has skilled hands, but a dull knife to shave the cleats with. Rather painful to watch. It's not hard to produce decent edges, especially on a tool like that.
William Young
Maybe the knife was purposely dull so she won't cut into the underside of the top plate or shave too much off of the cleats?
I would be sweating bullets doing that. Dull, yes. No coffee either.
I would rather use a dremel tool for the sake of fewer impacts and less pressure on the top in general.
My thoughts, also.
Also, why not shape the cleats to profile before gluing them on?
Top
W.O.W.
If the violin from 1920's is the label 1715 refers to the model copied?
Yes
how much is it worth
Muito.bom
Where is your work shop
What about the loose neck?
Hi mr. Rosa, you’re dead right, the old masters used the best glue that was available. If they would’ve had our modern glues, they would have been over the moon 🌝. Al
old glue from bones can be opened again with water an warmth..
What is the working time for the glue?
From what I've heard about 5 or so minutes
I would have liked to see the sound post installed and adjusted. now as for the name. Lots of makers are using similar Strad. name to sell violins. Germany. Poland and many more sadly. but they are not bad violins.
wow
Eles estão falando PT_br. Esta loja/oficina fica no Brasil?
GREAT!!
Sadly, there are no original Strads. The necks were ripped out by the roots and replaced with modern ones, they were reinforced to be able to withstand the tension of steel strings. In 50 years of looking I've never once seen a Strad or any other contemporary fiddle in unmolested original condition.
Buenàs tasdes cual es su lugar de origen
my daughter just got her first violin,then my dad had one in his attic and took it back to Ireland for me it needs a bit done eg strings,bow but the reed is rattling about inside I took it to our local music shop to be told if the reed was inplace it would cost just over €50 but if iv to get someone to do the reed that alone will cost €100 it's not a big name I only paid €107 for the new one, advice is all I'm looking for.I did get it in place and it stayed in we gave it a bit of a swing about and success it stayed in place till today when I took it out to clean up the body and the dam reed is rattling about in the violin I was told it's all about placement and no glue should be used and I can see there is no sign of glue bits..what to do I'll try replace it again iv a better idea how to go about it now naturally I can't take it apart like you can what do you suggest? thanks,beautiful work by the way
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Most of the negative comments are really dumb. That master violin maker died some 300 years ago. Ergo, a violin made in the 1920s could NOT possibly be one of them. Obviously, it is just a ploy to increase hits to this video. The photo of the Stradiuarius label says 1715. Thus even if it was produced in the same workshop, what was made in 1920 wont be the same as something made in 1715. Nor, would a violin repairer give away his trade secrets. What I find shocking is that one German violin maker from around the same time period has moved to China and is now producing cheap production line violins on a mass scale. People with a good ear will pay big money, while those without an ear go for inexpensive violins made in China marketed with a German name.
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Sorry to see all these stupid comments - mostly from USA users:
Yes - it's German Stradiuarius copy by the Neuner & Hornsteiner workshop in Mittenwald / Germany ...
Any further doubts?
Please stop being totally stupid ....
I didn't see a sound post being put in.
I had been waiting this was the only thing I wanted to see :O
why as if there is no sound post that connects the top plate and the bottom plate?
Seems most players insist on playing some of more obscure pieces to demonstrate the sound. They should stick to the 19th cent. romantics to give the best example of the tone.
That is not a strad, its a very nice copy tho.
I dont know whats better, repairing a Strad or repairing a Strad in a shop full of super beautiful women!
In India there is no perfect repairer that's why we take New violin every time
Let’s be straight: it’s a copy of a Strad made in Germany. I have an old German Meinel but it doesn’t look much like a Strad.
if they's say Strad. Type 1960 Ubitz Germany , or something consistent--
UUhat a strange idea to uurite the uery uuell-knouun name of Stradivarius like 'Stradiuarius'. In present-day typesetting, uue haue the v and the w at our disposal. Maybe in Stradivarius' times, the man used the 'u' character to represent the v and the w (or at least his label printer did), but there is no reason for doing so today.
Hannes Minkema i see what you did there
Hannes Minkema there is no "i" at all between d & u = it clearly reADS : Straduarius , yes STRADUARIUS ... Freeze @ 1:53 ...