@@Puddles856 your art is genuinely good tho and I mean if Butch Hartman can overprice his commissions you can atleast price your's a bit higher and following you for a while your art skills are genuinely good better then Butch Hartman
I know people are saying "you shouldnt undersell yourself" or "you shouldve declined this commission", but I totally understand why youve done what youve done. Its really easy to take any commission for any price when NO ONE commissions you and you REALLY need the money, simply to feed yourself. People saying "dont undersell yourself" are usually the people who probably never went through "having no commissions and no money to pay your bills" phase
@@mila6589 i believe i do have a limit for changes on my ko-fi but this person went through email instead, so i used that for reference, but i agree with you, you make a good point
Hearing the updates about this in real time was a trip - shoulda had them talk to me, they were so difficult for no reason, like wdym you don't know what you want, YOU asked for the drawings😭
I totally understand this. I did 14 pieces for a "friend" for 300, got no feedback or told exactly what they wanted other than cards. Had to figure it all out, full illustrations, and then didn't get paid for months. I at least got half up front and then had given up on the rest. I'm so glad you're free from that hell and..... Silver lining learned what not to go through? Naah I wish you never had to go through that. Also shameless plug but it worked I love webcomics lemme just go check this out.
sorry you had to deal with that, especially when its a "friend" thats never easy or fun cause they really do expect a friend discount or something when they pull that, real scum behaviour.
a tip for files like this; you should have sent it to a google drive for them to download. and please please even when you're underselling yourslf (you shouldn't your art is great ) get at least half payment upfront
Hi! I discovered you from this vid and when you mentioned your webcomic I went to check it. I absolutely LOVED it, it’s so good and I was hooked right from the beginning. The art was stunning and the story intriguing. Anyways basically good job, keep it up, your art and story is very impressive and I’ll definitely be tuning into Alice the vampire slayer often!
had similar commission to the point i don’t ever want to do it again if i see children book illustration commission i say no they will sneak extra or constant changing adding what they want did everything you said. i feel like same company contacted you i got similar course of events tried to refund but the website sided with me.
I'm dealing with a similar client right now; the person that's paying me is my bestie who wanted to help me with my new laptop but I didn't wanna just accept his money. I'm drawing commissions for his city of mist party members and one of them seems to not understand that every major decisions they make to change something they said they already liked and dragged me until semi clean sketch for means I have to do it again, from scratch. it's not a 3D model you dingus. anyway, been a pain, gave them an ultimatum, I'm not doing any more modifications for this client. nightmare client istg. it's worse when they don't break tos but get on your nerves. at least you can just cancel it with a decent reason and a fee if they break tos.
Mate. I feel like some of this would be avoided if you got the payment upfront and laid down the law that you don't do major changes after completion. Save receipts to their requests to change during the commission, then when they wanted major changes at the end, remind them of those original conversations where they had time to request changes. Charge extra for editing or don't edit unless it's MINOR changes. It's not just underselling yourself. It's a lot of bad choices here. I also don't understand why you wouldn't just upload the files to a larger cloud and share it with them that way if you couldn't emai them. Avoid the USB situation.
@@Hierarchia i agree, hindsight is 2020, i dont get commissions very often, so really i am a bit new at the whole commission thing, for some reason the mere mention of payment or money is taboo whenever i get commissioned, overall i agree. gotta make a solid contract when it comes to offering services. (Thanks for commenting!)
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You really shouldn't under sell your work. you're worth the money and your time is valuable! :D
Thanks, Its kinda hard to put a price on my work when I'm not that confident about my skills lmao, or trying not to scare someone off
@@Puddles856 your art is genuinely good tho and I mean if Butch Hartman can overprice his commissions you can atleast price your's a bit higher and following you for a while your art skills are genuinely good better then Butch Hartman
@@theidioticghostNOT BUTCH HARTMAN 😂😂😂😂😂 OMG
I know people are saying "you shouldnt undersell yourself" or "you shouldve declined this commission", but I totally understand why youve done what youve done. Its really easy to take any commission for any price when NO ONE commissions you and you REALLY need the money, simply to feed yourself. People saying "dont undersell yourself" are usually the people who probably never went through "having no commissions and no money to pay your bills" phase
Thanks for watching!
That's why you need to have a limit for changes, if the client wants more they can make more payment
@@mila6589 i believe i do have a limit for changes on my ko-fi but this person went through email instead, so i used that for reference, but i agree with you, you make a good point
Hearing the updates about this in real time was a trip - shoulda had them talk to me, they were so difficult for no reason, like wdym you don't know what you want, YOU asked for the drawings😭
shoulda woulda coulda
@Puddles856 FOR FUTURE REFERENCE: don't be shy, let me be your manager, I'll make sure you get paid good 😌
im really tempted but also am terrified if i give you that much power....
@@Puddles856 why😭😭😭
because ik what you're capable of??
I totally understand this. I did 14 pieces for a "friend" for 300, got no feedback or told exactly what they wanted other than cards. Had to figure it all out, full illustrations, and then didn't get paid for months. I at least got half up front and then had given up on the rest.
I'm so glad you're free from that hell and..... Silver lining learned what not to go through? Naah I wish you never had to go through that.
Also shameless plug but it worked I love webcomics lemme just go check this out.
sorry you had to deal with that, especially when its a "friend" thats never easy or fun cause they really do expect a friend discount or something when they pull that, real scum behaviour.
oof what a horrible nightmare of a commission to go through. And then the add on costs... I hope you won't get another client like this again
yeah same, thanks for the suggestion! i dont think I even considered google drive because i was on the brink of madness lmao 😅
@@Puddles856 fair enough xD It was a lot of craziness lol
a tip for files like this; you should have sent it to a google drive for them to download. and please please even when you're underselling yourslf (you shouldn't your art is great ) get at least half payment upfront
All around solid advice, hope things get better with your commissions !
@Puddles856 haha thanks. I'm working on another commission with a lovely client for a pallete cleanse.
I was just rewatching the catadora vid and you uploaded another commission horror story I find it ironic
not the catradora vid ;-; dbfbdn
Hi! I discovered you from this vid and when you mentioned your webcomic I went to check it. I absolutely LOVED it, it’s so good and I was hooked right from the beginning. The art was stunning and the story intriguing. Anyways basically good job, keep it up, your art and story is very impressive and I’ll definitely be tuning into Alice the vampire slayer often!
thats awesome, glad you liked it lol
had similar commission to the point i don’t ever want to do it again if i see children book illustration commission i say no they will sneak extra or constant changing adding what they want did everything you said. i feel like same company contacted you i got similar course of events tried to refund but the website sided with me.
sorry you had to experience that, its the worst 😣
200 for a month of work. Amazing
I just stumbled upon your channel by chance and was pleasantly surprised! you're very underrated! keep it up! :D
Thanks!
I'm dealing with a similar client right now; the person that's paying me is my bestie who wanted to help me with my new laptop but I didn't wanna just accept his money.
I'm drawing commissions for his city of mist party members and one of them seems to not understand that every major decisions they make to change something they said they already liked and dragged me until semi clean sketch for means I have to do it again, from scratch.
it's not a 3D model you dingus.
anyway, been a pain, gave them an ultimatum, I'm not doing any more modifications for this client. nightmare client istg. it's worse when they don't break tos but get on your nerves. at least you can just cancel it with a decent reason and a fee if they break tos.
MORE SUBSCRIBTIONS, WE MUST GET THIS GUY TO HOLLYWOOD.
Woahhh your art is so awesome!!! I loved the video! :D
Thank you lol, happy to hear!
This is why I don’t do commissions
thats fair
Mate. I feel like some of this would be avoided if you got the payment upfront and laid down the law that you don't do major changes after completion. Save receipts to their requests to change during the commission, then when they wanted major changes at the end, remind them of those original conversations where they had time to request changes. Charge extra for editing or don't edit unless it's MINOR changes. It's not just underselling yourself. It's a lot of bad choices here. I also don't understand why you wouldn't just upload the files to a larger cloud and share it with them that way if you couldn't emai them. Avoid the USB situation.
@@Hierarchia i agree, hindsight is 2020, i dont get commissions very often, so really i am a bit new at the whole commission thing, for some reason the mere mention of payment or money is taboo whenever i get commissioned, overall i agree. gotta make a solid contract when it comes to offering services. (Thanks for commenting!)
you should write a TOS; do you want my TOS?
that's what happens to your voice when we VC for more than an hour😭😂
my poor voice 🥲🥲🥲