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Hey Web DM! Your minds should also send out the message that you covered Psionics before and the issues the class had in the past: ua-cam.com/video/S6e9UAkizVU/v-deo.html The earlier video gave a great overview how psionics were handled in past D&D editions and what issues that often had. It's so great that you now just went ahead and published your own approach to the class! The new Psionic sounds fantastic! :)
So am I missing something from your psion promo? It seems to be missing the Mental Modality options at level 2. Its not really up to level 5 since these are missing.
For me, what makes psionics cool is the potential for subtlety in their use. I remember an X-Men comic that followed Xavier as a young man that demonstrated this. He was in Cairo and stepped into a restaurant. As soon as he enters, he feels another psionicist's presence (Amahl Farouk), and he knows that Farouk feels him too. They lock eyes, and the metaphorical gauntlet is thrown. Only one will leave the restaurant alive. Xavier sits down at his table and orders his food. Farouk turns back to the woman hanging off his arm. While they each eat and mingle, Xavier and Farouk duel in the Astral Plane, the effects of their battle subtley seeping into the physical world in ways that the average person may chalk up to happenstance--silverware falling from a table, a whole burning into Xavier's coat. The subdued calm of a small restaurant in the early evening contrasts against the action and bombast of their private duel. Finally, Xavier stands up and walks out the front door as Farouk, half a room away, collapses into his meal--dead. To me, that is the kind of scenario that you can't get when everyone is running around with DnD style magic. There's a level of noir or spy-thriller to those kinds of exchanges, as well as an opportunity to challenge the party on a level that they are not used to fighting, and it can give a less-combat ready character their moment to shine (it's essentially the magical equivalent of hacking or the matrix in something like Cyberpunk or Shadowrun).
It's only free if you're lifting objects. it takes an action and specifies if the object isn't being worn, but doesn't say what happens if the object is being worn, so maybe you could use it on your boots and work around it that way since your halfling wouldn't be resisting? If you wanted to do anything other than fly though, you'd kinda be screwed since it takes your action to maintain that and since it's maintained it also functions like a concertation spell. This could definitely be a useful and exploitable tool, but this sort of flight would be inefficient for both day to day travel and combat.
@Colin Deal Small sized carry weight is less than medium sized carry weight. Around 40 percent less carry weight. Thats why bear totem barbarian has an ability to carry as someone 1 size larger.
I think this is one of my favorite kickstarters for D&D ever. I've recently started to plan my own dark sun campaign and this resource could help us a lot. Thank you both.
I couldn't help but think "There is no spoon," as you were talking about how psionics was different from magic. I know you spoke about about magic and psionics being distinct, but your psion is basically how I always wanted the sorcerer to work. I've always thought of innate magic as much closer to psionics in execution than wizard spells, even if it manipulating those arcane forces. So stoked to play a psion, and you guys clearly love the source material. Can't wait to see more of this class, this awesome implied setting, and this book!
I recently got to play Kibble's psion at a table with my friends. I purposefully went for flavor rather than punch (to assuage the homebrew skeptics) and it was really fun and enjoyable. ^^
I truly can't wait to explore this class at the table! Great job, Pruitt & the rest of the team that contributed to the Psion! Can't wait to learn more about those Mental Modalities :-)
I checked out the Psion spoiler, and I'm impressed! It's a really nice blend of simplicity, theme, and power! Nice job! I like it so much more than the UA Mystic...
I actually really love how AdnD 2nd edition did psionics. Dividing it into schools and major and minor powers felt very natural, and the disciplines were very well defined. But your Psion sounds cool as well!
I loved psionics back in 3/3.5 and I did like that there was the optional psionics as magic and psionics as semi-magic rules (though I always preferred them to be completely non-magic)
I've been waiting for you to release 5e content for ages. I was sold without the ad; I'm a transplant from southeast texas to CA and you guys feel like people I know and would be friends with. If you continue to release content I will continue to buy it.
I do needed this on my life! My mindset is very much like Pruitt on the classes I play and the inspiration behind them. I've tried every psychic subclass and an beyond hyped for this to rule then all!
With the Complete Psionis book, I made one of my favorite characters. My race was immortal, I cast magic similar to video games and I summoned my sword out of thin air as I needed it.
So the simplified breakdown of 6 Primary disciplines with the ability to be a hard specialist or a broad focused generalist is a perfect way to do this. I did my take on the class in a very similar way. Some notes should they be worth your review. Telekinesis - what is the damage done with telekinetic hurl for either throwing a creature or an object into a creature? seems like it should scale with points used. Animate Objects for higher levels, Animated Sword/shield type for combat focused Psions. Telepathy - Mind Prison / Weird type effects are very cool for higher end telepaths. Psychoportation - Is a top end use of a grand teleportation spell appropriate? Seems like topping out at Dimension Door rank seems limited. This a great one to combo with Metacreativity or Telekinesis for a Steel Wind Strike type of ability. Metacreativity - Very Green Lantern, I love the vibe. Would love to see a force armor that the user can wear as a top end ability. Psychometabolism - Needs a haste and/or slow type of ability. Clairsentience - First, the tip of the hat to Thundercats is just [chef kiss]. How long does Sight beyond Sight last? Assess aura having no saving throw seems to have a couple of effect that could slow games down. If its constantly used that means that the player has full right to do a deep dive on any NPC that they want, no save, and the questions that are listed are pretty open ended. What threat does it pose...? What can it do...? I mean do I just give the NPCs sheet to the player, read one action ability off of it, do I say no threat right now because its not hostile then have that be incorrect once the player inevitably piss it off. This one is asking a lot of the GM. Separating Psionics from magic is great if its 2 way. Meaning that if Spells can't protect from Psionics then Psionics shouldn't be able to protect from spells. I am giving these notes in the intent of constructive criticism because I want this in my game and I love where you are going with it, can't wait to see more.
Oh I can’t wait to see this Psionics class. Loved how you described that you specialize in disciplines. Totally thought the Mystic gave way too many powers and it quickly became a hodgepodge of crap. I like the subclasses, but I think this is going to be awesome!
Well I just supported Dungeon Dudes and their Kickstarter so now that I see the Psion class is in yours, I'm gonna have to dip into saving yet again... All joking aside, this looks awesome. Congratulations to the both of you and all who helped make it a reality.
I'd love too see a video reviewing all the previous editions of psionics. First edition was a weird mess. I remember the very intriguing second edition psionics handbook which I believe was the high point. What are your thoughts?
Jon's mentioning dune makes it abundantly clear this is exactly what I have been looking for and just backed for my books boys. My only but, is that benegeserit are full on monks with a level in psion. Kwizats haderach breeding program was for the purpose of creating a full level 1 psion. I'm just looking for an excuse to talk about dune Fucking thank you cause I've been workshopping a "Duncah Atreid" character recently. I'm so jazzed cause everything discussed has mirrored things I've said to myself
I'm a bit confused is psionics magic or is it not? Under dimensional step you state "you magically teleport". Also, if it's not magic how do you counter it? Is psionics unable to be blocked? I really liked what I saw in the promo but I'm really sceptical of how well it will mesh with 5e if it's treated seperate from magic.
Pruitt, ma dood! You're crossing the Dune books with Lynchdune. The Bene Gesserit weren't psychic; all of their abilities were about command of their own biology and borderline supernatural powers of observation and social cues. They couldn't actually read minds.
I am so happy to see psionics getting some love! The only thing I'm missing from your version of the Psion is some form of hibernation/estivation meditative ability. Think of the old monks that self-mummified in Sokushinbutsu, only instead of doing it to mummify yourself, you'd endure environmental hardship and the like. "Oh, no food? The tunnel collapsed? Eh, I'll wait it out."
I like the idea of having a disrupt psionics spell, separate from dispel magic, that spell puts out some something that is disruptive to the harmonics of psionic activity
I have a hard time reconciling the idea that psionics isn't magic. I agree that psionics isn't spell casting, but I still see it as a form of magic. Just seems strange to me that there's two otherwise identical energy fields of infinite potential. The way I see it, Arcane casters manipulate the energy that soaks the world around them. They gather it up, store it inside them, then release it when desired. Divine casters gather magical energy from magnificently powerful spiritual entities. Psionists, however, convert their own spiritual energy into magical effects. No components are need to cast because the energies are shaped within, at the very source. I think psionics is the most direct path to godhood. It's all about strengthening one's spirit to bend existence to its will.
Imma fund this right now. I'm sure you've already got it covered, but if you gents want some 3rd party balance/play testing, my group will attune their minds to your psionic frequencies. We have almost 50 years playing/DMing experience between 2 of our group. Good luck, guys. I hope you kill it and make Wizards sit up and take notice.
I think it's totally fair and reasonable to say that Detect Magic doesn't work on psionics. It may be a little brutal in some cases for that to be so, but a totally appropriate and flavorful part of Dark Sun, which I imagine would also work very well in the implied setting of Weird Wastelands, is that things are a little tougher in a general sense. The tools that could previously always be relied upon aren't always appropriate and assumptions about what to use when are challenged.
You chose to keep it very simple, while not banalizing it making it the same as magic. The focus on the disciplines seems a logical consequence of that.
I don't know where to get hold of you so I'm using this comment section. You asked in the latest Kickstarter mail for ideas what more stretchgoals to put in. Well I thought maybe you could hire some writers that makes 3-4 dungeons that can be dropped in anywhere. Places you would just stumble over in the Wasteland. Maybe an abandoned alchemical research lab, a clockwork soldiers factory - that is still guarded by some of them, or an former illegal magic waste dump - that has turned the normal pests into... something else, I dunno. Anyways, still holding my breath until my copy arrives :)
So can you be Jean Grey and potentially go nova as Dark Phoenix from X-men 3: Last Stand; creating tornados, stopping missiles, and disintegrating fools with your mind?
Hey, I'm a bit confused about Discipline advancement, if I only put one point into a discipline, do I only get the first ability, eg. for telekinesis do I only get manipulate? What does advancing a discipline do for me? I apologize, but I find this incredibly fascinating and I really would like to implement this in my games. Thank you in advance.
You get all the abilities up front and the more points you put in the more things you can do or the more powerful you can make them. The full class will lay it all out
The way I've come to look at the magic vs psionics division is simple. Energy is energy. E=MC2. Pump enough unbalanced energy into a delicately balanced system and the system breaks down. So yes. They are two very different things. But counterspell and dispel magic still work on psionics and whatever the artificer is doing because the spell caster is pumping magical energy into a system that wasn't meant to process that magical energy. Likewise any Psionic versions of dispel and counter work on magic spells and artificer gadgets because those spells and gizmos weren't designed with random bursts of psychic energy in mind. Gonna reserve final judgement for when the book I backed is in my hands, but I'm looking forward to psion and all the exploration challenges in the book.
Psions are just sorcerers that use subtle spell and concentrate on ‘psionic’ spells. Or.....sorcerers are Psions in an alternate world were D&D kept its John Carter/sci fi bent.
I love psionics, but Frank Herbert was very clear that telepathy and similar powers do not exist in Dune. They can certainly be modeled as psionics, of course (and that is probably the easiest way to mechanically model them for the game), but Herbert was thinking of them differently. The Bene Gesserit have minds augmented by millennia of selective breeding and are further enhanced by the use of melange in a way that gives they a limited taste of prescience, but even prescience is more akin to spice-augmented "psychohistory" (from the Foundation series). The spice augments the mind allowing for extreme enhancements to human computational power that lets, for example, the navigators plot courses through folded space. In the case of Paul and God Emperor Leto (and the Bene Gesserit) their minds become powerful enough to see the patterns that could occur in the future, and then to make the choices needed to send people down that path. The use of "Voice" is something else again, but it is also not supposed to be a psychic power. It is more about psychology and playing with subconscious triggers. The David Lynch movie complicates this, if that is your stronger memory of the series, as there they do show something like mind-reading and the Voice is clearly not just modulating your natural voice to manipulate the subconscious in a naturalistic way. Love your channel and the Kickstarter, and I especially love the idea that psions needed a lot of people to die so that they could assert their power without "psionic interference". That just begs for some psions to be looking to cull the herd even more so their own powers can expand. There can be only one!
I might suggest some clarifying text for Force Weapon. What properties is the summoned weapon allowed to have? I'm imagining a nightmare Rogue/Psion multiclass, though that might just be because Rogues are nightmares anyway
i made a psionic character using the 2nd edition handbook back in the day, but it was a little too complicated, and i think he died an early death :D i've always loved the concept though and definitely should be its own thing and not "magic but with the mind"
I hope the class can be bought as an individual supplement. Not really all that interested in the book as a whole, but I've been searching up and down for a balanced psionics class that is not just another spellcaster.
I thought your video said prisons and I thought. Why don’t you do an episode on prisons? A campaign about prison life anybody? Think Oz but with dragonborns and tieflings
If you're referring to Aus, it makes an interesting case study because it was only a relatively small amount of convicts and lots of people who *wanted* to go there because it offered a chance for a better life than in Britain.
Psionics worry me in every iteration because they always seem to just be better. One of the things that’s interesting about magic requiring components is the counter play of binding casters hands, gagging/silencing them, or taking away the necessary materials for the spell along with general anti magic like counter while psionics lack any of that counter play. There should be better options for going against psionics other than being psychic yourself or just killing them (hell the 5e mystic can’t even be stopped by killing it because they just respawn) Not to mention different iterations of mystic/psion simply being broken simply being better than other classes at most if not everything. My dm tells stories of everyone but him at the table in past games he played being mystics because why wouldn’t you be a mystic they’re just too good. I hope I’m overthinking it and your version of psionics won’t be so dominating and overwhelming to anything at the table that doesn’t have it
@@WebDM Fantastic! Ive already put in my pledge/order so I'm really looking forward to trying it. Been a fan of your content for ages by the way, love what you do
I am worried about how the preview feel alot like the mystic. they can do alot of things with a new system that redo alot of things even though its already been done as spells
Seen many 2ed games ruined by this. You went into great detail on the class and even your example showed our group once again its OP and wont be welcome at our tables. My question is how much of the book is devoted too this class and will it be worth our money too buy?
Correct. It is the same length as any base class. We are playtesting and are confident and happy with its power level compared to the other base classes. There will be info on integrating psionics as a concept throughout the book if you choose to include it, but if it's just not for your table, there's tons of content that will be of use to you.
Bene Gesserit do not use psionics. They are extraordinarily developed human beings. The past lives the reverend mothers draw on are a gift of spice drug. My experience with psionics was with a DM who through the kitchen sink at me trying to strip the abilities. I actually rolled the 1% chance gift. When I played, there was no game system to develop or level up psionics.
I remember when Kimmuriel Teleported into a room which had an anti-magic shell in it. Also, during the Time of troubles House Oblodra was not affected. Psionics are not magic.
Thanks for watching! Our Kickstarter for Worlds of Web DM: Weird Wastelands is LIVE NOW! Check it out here: www.kickstarter.com/projects/webdm/worlds-of-web-dm-weird-wastelands?ref=68x7l6 Download the first 5 levels of our Psion base class here: store.2cgaming.com/products/worlds-of-webdm-weird-wastelands-psion-promo
Hey Web DM! Your minds should also send out the message that you covered Psionics before and the issues the class had in the past: ua-cam.com/video/S6e9UAkizVU/v-deo.html The earlier video gave a great overview how psionics were handled in past D&D editions and what issues that often had. It's so great that you now just went ahead and published your own approach to the class! The new Psionic sounds fantastic! :)
So am I missing something from your psion promo? It seems to be missing the Mental Modality options at level 2. Its not really up to level 5 since these are missing.
So is there a offical Psion class by 5E WOTC rules for players or is the Psionic Knight all there is?
halfling psionic criminal background. a small medium at large
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I kinda hate I had to give you a like
Omg 😂😂😂😭😭💀💥
That was both horrible and beautiful.
So far, the reception to this joke is tiny.
For me, what makes psionics cool is the potential for subtlety in their use. I remember an X-Men comic that followed Xavier as a young man that demonstrated this. He was in Cairo and stepped into a restaurant. As soon as he enters, he feels another psionicist's presence (Amahl Farouk), and he knows that Farouk feels him too. They lock eyes, and the metaphorical gauntlet is thrown. Only one will leave the restaurant alive. Xavier sits down at his table and orders his food. Farouk turns back to the woman hanging off his arm. While they each eat and mingle, Xavier and Farouk duel in the Astral Plane, the effects of their battle subtley seeping into the physical world in ways that the average person may chalk up to happenstance--silverware falling from a table, a whole burning into Xavier's coat. The subdued calm of a small restaurant in the early evening contrasts against the action and bombast of their private duel. Finally, Xavier stands up and walks out the front door as Farouk, half a room away, collapses into his meal--dead.
To me, that is the kind of scenario that you can't get when everyone is running around with DnD style magic. There's a level of noir or spy-thriller to those kinds of exchanges, as well as an opportunity to challenge the party on a level that they are not used to fighting, and it can give a less-combat ready character their moment to shine (it's essentially the magical equivalent of hacking or the matrix in something like Cyberpunk or Shadowrun).
This is a brilliant approach.
30 lb mage hand? Sign up my halfling Psion for permanent subtle spell flying
It's only free if you're lifting objects. it takes an action and specifies if the object isn't being worn, but doesn't say what happens if the object is being worn, so maybe you could use it on your boots and work around it that way since your halfling wouldn't be resisting? If you wanted to do anything other than fly though, you'd kinda be screwed since it takes your action to maintain that and since it's maintained it also functions like a concertation spell. This could definitely be a useful and exploitable tool, but this sort of flight would be inefficient for both day to day travel and combat.
@Colin Deal oh I dunno. Forgotten realms wiki says they’re between 30-35 lbs.
@Colin Deal Small sized carry weight is less than medium sized carry weight. Around 40 percent less carry weight. Thats why bear totem barbarian has an ability to carry as someone 1 size larger.
I think this is one of my favorite kickstarters for D&D ever. I've recently started to plan my own dark sun campaign and this resource could help us a lot. Thank you both.
Okay, I am LOVING the idea of the wasteland giving birth to something new. Nicely done!
I couldn't help but think "There is no spoon," as you were talking about how psionics was different from magic.
I know you spoke about about magic and psionics being distinct, but your psion is basically how I always wanted the sorcerer to work. I've always thought of innate magic as much closer to psionics in execution than wizard spells, even if it manipulating those arcane forces.
So stoked to play a psion, and you guys clearly love the source material.
Can't wait to see more of this class, this awesome implied setting, and this book!
I loved the psionic elemental Crysmals from 3.5 psionics. Such a good critter.
I recently got to play Kibble's psion at a table with my friends. I purposefully went for flavor rather than punch (to assuage the homebrew skeptics) and it was really fun and enjoyable. ^^
Watched NerdImmersion's review of your Psion class, I'm hyped for this
Thanks!
I am watching it tonight but this sounds so good!!!
Link.?
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I truly can't wait to explore this class at the table! Great job, Pruitt & the rest of the team that contributed to the Psion! Can't wait to learn more about those Mental Modalities :-)
I checked out the Psion spoiler, and I'm impressed! It's a really nice blend of simplicity, theme, and power! Nice job!
I like it so much more than the UA Mystic...
If there's anyone I would trust to make a damn good Psion class it'd be you boys.
So psyched (PSIched?)
I do want a proper psionic class.
Psionics the greatest of bugbears of DnD.
I'm currently writing a psionic-like class that uses con as its spell casting stat because why not
I actually really love how AdnD 2nd edition did psionics. Dividing it into schools and major and minor powers felt very natural, and the disciplines were very well defined.
But your Psion sounds cool as well!
I appreciate this. And still pine for my sweet brutal Athas, but this bring us closer that we've been in a while.
That intro was fantastic, LOL, needed that laugh, thanks!
I’m stoked for your take on the Psion, love this class idea!
On a related note I just saw Scanners yesterday and that movie is so cool.
Very excited, I have been waiting for this episode! Thank you Jim and Pruitt, 🙂
I loved psionics back in 3/3.5 and I did like that there was the optional psionics as magic and psionics as semi-magic rules (though I always preferred them to be completely non-magic)
I've been waiting for you to release 5e content for ages. I was sold without the ad; I'm a transplant from southeast texas to CA and you guys feel like people I know and would be friends with. If you continue to release content I will continue to buy it.
This goes down as a top 5 intro for me.
Rad!😎 Always loved psionics
Good grief, y'all are FAST
I so miss playing the Psionic. Since I am getting back into the game and you have brought it back, take this sub and like it!
I do needed this on my life! My mindset is very much like Pruitt on the classes I play and the inspiration behind them. I've tried every psychic subclass and an beyond hyped for this to rule then all!
With the Complete Psionis book, I made one of my favorite characters. My race was immortal, I cast magic similar to video games and I summoned my sword out of thin air as I needed it.
So the simplified breakdown of 6 Primary disciplines with the ability to be a hard specialist or a broad focused generalist is a perfect way to do this. I did my take on the class in a very similar way. Some notes should they be worth your review.
Telekinesis - what is the damage done with telekinetic hurl for either throwing a creature or an object into a creature? seems like it should scale with points used. Animate Objects for higher levels, Animated Sword/shield type for combat focused Psions.
Telepathy - Mind Prison / Weird type effects are very cool for higher end telepaths.
Psychoportation - Is a top end use of a grand teleportation spell appropriate? Seems like topping out at Dimension Door rank seems limited. This a great one to combo with Metacreativity or Telekinesis for a Steel Wind Strike type of ability.
Metacreativity - Very Green Lantern, I love the vibe. Would love to see a force armor that the user can wear as a top end ability.
Psychometabolism - Needs a haste and/or slow type of ability.
Clairsentience - First, the tip of the hat to Thundercats is just [chef kiss]. How long does Sight beyond Sight last? Assess aura having no saving throw seems to have a couple of effect that could slow games down. If its constantly used that means that the player has full right to do a deep dive on any NPC that they want, no save, and the questions that are listed are pretty open ended. What threat does it pose...? What can it do...? I mean do I just give the NPCs sheet to the player, read one action ability off of it, do I say no threat right now because its not hostile then have that be incorrect once the player inevitably piss it off. This one is asking a lot of the GM.
Separating Psionics from magic is great if its 2 way. Meaning that if Spells can't protect from Psionics then Psionics shouldn't be able to protect from spells.
I am giving these notes in the intent of constructive criticism because I want this in my game and I love where you are going with it, can't wait to see more.
Oh I can’t wait to see this Psionics class. Loved how you described that you specialize in disciplines. Totally thought the Mystic gave way too many powers and it quickly became a hodgepodge of crap. I like the subclasses, but I think this is going to be awesome!
Well I just supported Dungeon Dudes and their Kickstarter so now that I see the Psion class is in yours, I'm gonna have to dip into saving yet again...
All joking aside, this looks awesome. Congratulations to the both of you and all who helped make it a reality.
love the sheer honesty and straightforward approach "why should you give a crap about our psion? here is why!"
I'd love too see a video reviewing all the previous editions of psionics. First edition was a weird mess. I remember the very intriguing second edition psionics handbook which I believe was the high point. What are your thoughts?
Jon's mentioning dune makes it abundantly clear this is exactly what I have been looking for and just backed for my books boys. My only but, is that benegeserit are full on monks with a level in psion. Kwizats haderach breeding program was for the purpose of creating a full level 1 psion. I'm just looking for an excuse to talk about dune
Fucking thank you cause I've been workshopping a "Duncah Atreid" character recently. I'm so jazzed cause everything discussed has mirrored things I've said to myself
I'm a bit confused is psionics magic or is it not? Under dimensional step you state "you magically teleport". Also, if it's not magic how do you counter it? Is psionics unable to be blocked?
I really liked what I saw in the promo but I'm really sceptical of how well it will mesh with 5e if it's treated seperate from magic.
Pruitt, ma dood! You're crossing the Dune books with Lynchdune. The Bene Gesserit weren't psychic; all of their abilities were about command of their own biology and borderline supernatural powers of observation and social cues. They couldn't actually read minds.
I guess our bonus is conning soon and I can get in on this Kickstart. I can apply it to Dark Sun.
End of the month.
I'm super excited for this, can't wait to see the other 3/4 of the class!
Your bits are the best 🙂.
Always love your content thanks for the years of guidance wisdom and advice. I can't wait to support!
I am so happy to see psionics getting some love!
The only thing I'm missing from your version of the Psion is some form of hibernation/estivation meditative ability.
Think of the old monks that self-mummified in Sokushinbutsu, only instead of doing it to mummify yourself, you'd endure environmental hardship and the like.
"Oh, no food? The tunnel collapsed? Eh, I'll wait it out."
Thanks!
I like the idea of having a disrupt psionics spell, separate from dispel magic, that spell puts out some something that is disruptive to the harmonics of psionic activity
A fey'ri psionic Kensi monk. Straight Jedi.
I've always said magic focuses on brute force, where psionics focuses on cunning.
Okay… but what is the actual difference between psionics and magic? This just sounds like a different flavor of magic.
19:50 "there are no gods coming to save you" 😍
I have a hard time reconciling the idea that psionics isn't magic. I agree that psionics isn't spell casting, but I still see it as a form of magic. Just seems strange to me that there's two otherwise identical energy fields of infinite potential.
The way I see it, Arcane casters manipulate the energy that soaks the world around them. They gather it up, store it inside them, then release it when desired. Divine casters gather magical energy from magnificently powerful spiritual entities. Psionists, however, convert their own spiritual energy into magical effects. No components are need to cast because the energies are shaped within, at the very source.
I think psionics is the most direct path to godhood. It's all about strengthening one's spirit to bend existence to its will.
Imma fund this right now. I'm sure you've already got it covered, but if you gents want some 3rd party balance/play testing, my group will attune their minds to your psionic frequencies. We have almost 50 years playing/DMing experience between 2 of our group. Good luck, guys. I hope you kill it and make Wizards sit up and take notice.
Gimmie Weird Wastelands!!
I think it's totally fair and reasonable to say that Detect Magic doesn't work on psionics. It may be a little brutal in some cases for that to be so, but a totally appropriate and flavorful part of Dark Sun, which I imagine would also work very well in the implied setting of Weird Wastelands, is that things are a little tougher in a general sense. The tools that could previously always be relied upon aren't always appropriate and assumptions about what to use when are challenged.
When I hear Weird Wasteland I think of the setting of Fallout where weird shit that's usually referential happens randomly
Fallout is definitely one of our inspirations with this book?
Interestingly, a foil hat would actually amplify the signal for telepathy like an antenna. What you need is a Faraday cage break up that signal.
You chose to keep it very simple, while not banalizing it making it the same as magic.
The focus on the disciplines seems a logical consequence of that.
I love that the Discipline ranking boils down to a five-row table. So simple, yet so complete!
Psionics in my homebrewed world is a plague...as in an actual plague kind of disease.
I don't know where to get hold of you so I'm using this comment section. You asked in the latest Kickstarter mail for ideas what more stretchgoals to put in. Well I thought maybe you could hire some writers that makes 3-4 dungeons that can be dropped in anywhere. Places you would just stumble over in the Wasteland. Maybe an abandoned alchemical research lab, a clockwork soldiers factory - that is still guarded by some of them, or an former illegal magic waste dump - that has turned the normal pests into... something else, I dunno. Anyways, still holding my breath until my copy arrives :)
So can you be Jean Grey and potentially go nova as Dark Phoenix from X-men 3: Last Stand; creating tornados, stopping missiles, and disintegrating fools with your mind?
Hey, I'm a bit confused about Discipline advancement, if I only put one point into a discipline, do I only get the first ability, eg. for telekinesis do I only get manipulate? What does advancing a discipline do for me? I apologize, but I find this incredibly fascinating and I really would like to implement this in my games. Thank you in advance.
You get all the abilities up front and the more points you put in the more things you can do or the more powerful you can make them. The full class will lay it all out
I'm so glad it came back I missed it the first time
Definitely something to think about
The way I've come to look at the magic vs psionics division is simple.
Energy is energy. E=MC2. Pump enough unbalanced energy into a delicately balanced system and the system breaks down.
So yes. They are two very different things. But counterspell and dispel magic still work on psionics and whatever the artificer is doing because the spell caster is pumping magical energy into a system that wasn't meant to process that magical energy.
Likewise any Psionic versions of dispel and counter work on magic spells and artificer gadgets because those spells and gizmos weren't designed with random bursts of psychic energy in mind.
Gonna reserve final judgement for when the book I backed is in my hands, but I'm looking forward to psion and all the exploration challenges in the book.
Psions are just sorcerers that use subtle spell and concentrate on ‘psionic’ spells. Or.....sorcerers are Psions in an alternate world were D&D kept its John Carter/sci fi bent.
I missed the Kick Start, will you guys be selling the book elsewhere or no?
Yes! You can pre-order on backerkit now! weird-wastelands.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders
Jim:Not again.
Me: I have questions.
Yes, Star Wars is science fantasy! Preach!
I'm incredibly excited for this 🎉🎉
Psionics is my favorite thanks guys
I love psionics, but Frank Herbert was very clear that telepathy and similar powers do not exist in Dune. They can certainly be modeled as psionics, of course (and that is probably the easiest way to mechanically model them for the game), but Herbert was thinking of them differently.
The Bene Gesserit have minds augmented by millennia of selective breeding and are further enhanced by the use of melange in a way that gives they a limited taste of prescience, but even prescience is more akin to spice-augmented "psychohistory" (from the Foundation series). The spice augments the mind allowing for extreme enhancements to human computational power that lets, for example, the navigators plot courses through folded space. In the case of Paul and God Emperor Leto (and the Bene Gesserit) their minds become powerful enough to see the patterns that could occur in the future, and then to make the choices needed to send people down that path. The use of "Voice" is something else again, but it is also not supposed to be a psychic power. It is more about psychology and playing with subconscious triggers.
The David Lynch movie complicates this, if that is your stronger memory of the series, as there they do show something like mind-reading and the Voice is clearly not just modulating your natural voice to manipulate the subconscious in a naturalistic way.
Love your channel and the Kickstarter, and I especially love the idea that psions needed a lot of people to die so that they could assert their power without "psionic interference". That just begs for some psions to be looking to cull the herd even more so their own powers can expand. There can be only one!
Sounds like you nailed it
I might suggest some clarifying text for Force Weapon. What properties is the summoned weapon allowed to have? I'm imagining a nightmare Rogue/Psion multiclass, though that might just be because Rogues are nightmares anyway
i made a psionic character using the 2nd edition handbook back in the day, but it was a little too complicated, and i think he died an early death :D i've always loved the concept though and definitely should be its own thing and not "magic but with the mind"
Kickstarter backed!
Thank you!
I broke my Kickstarter cherry on this
I hope the class can be bought as an individual supplement. Not really all that interested in the book as a whole, but I've been searching up and down for a balanced psionics class that is not just another spellcaster.
That's definitely a possibility in the future!
@@WebDM That would be amazing! I hope the Kickstarter goes well for you, and that it is well-received by the community.
Have you seen Kibble's Psion? it seems fairly well balanced and mostly avoids just saying "you use psionics to cast x spell".
@@whiskeyhound No I haven't yet. Last I looked was about a year or so ago, but gave up. Might have to check it out, thanks :D
Best intro in ages!
Great intro!
Thank you!
Will there be anything for specific for pyrokenisis?
I thought your video said prisons and I thought. Why don’t you do an episode on prisons? A campaign about prison life anybody? Think Oz but with dragonborns and tieflings
If you're referring to Aus, it makes an interesting case study because it was only a relatively small amount of convicts and lots of people who *wanted* to go there because it offered a chance for a better life than in Britain.
@@AGrumpyPanda oz was an HBO show about life in maximum security prison. Good show recommend
The tinfoil hat was all I needed to see, worth the thumbs up 👍 right there
Psionics worry me in every iteration because they always seem to just be better. One of the things that’s interesting about magic requiring components is the counter play of binding casters hands, gagging/silencing them, or taking away the necessary materials for the spell along with general anti magic like counter while psionics lack any of that counter play. There should be better options for going against psionics other than being psychic yourself or just killing them (hell the 5e mystic can’t even be stopped by killing it because they just respawn)
Not to mention different iterations of mystic/psion simply being broken simply being better than other classes at most if not everything. My dm tells stories of everyone but him at the table in past games he played being mystics because why wouldn’t you be a mystic they’re just too good. I hope I’m overthinking it and your version of psionics won’t be so dominating and overwhelming to anything at the table that doesn’t have it
Thank you.
How does your Psionics work with classes/subclasses like Psychic Warrior or Soul Knife?
The complete class will include its own subclasses but there are great multiclass combos like that too!
@@WebDM Fantastic! Ive already put in my pledge/order so I'm really looking forward to trying it.
Been a fan of your content for ages by the way, love what you do
Nice work guys!
In my setting wizards and such refer to psionicists as Mind Mages
Did this come out or what? Can I buy the book
I downloaded the demo and its exactly what I wanted for 5e psionics. Is there any chance this class will show up on DNDBeyond or Fantasy Grounds?
IMO the best approach is having different classes, a wizard/druid equivalent, a bard/cleric equivalent, and a paladin equivalent.
Say what.yku want about Palladium Books, but the Palladium Fantasy RPG did psionics really well.
I am worried about how the preview feel alot like the mystic. they can do alot of things with a new system that redo alot of things even though its already been done as spells
Seen many 2ed games ruined by this. You went into great detail on the class and even your example showed our group once again its OP and wont be welcome at our tables.
My question is how much of the book is devoted too this class and will it be worth our money too buy?
They showed a preview of the book's table of contents, it was over a hundred pages with only four pages dedicated to the psionic as I recall.
Correct. It is the same length as any base class. We are playtesting and are confident and happy with its power level compared to the other base classes. There will be info on integrating psionics as a concept throughout the book if you choose to include it, but if it's just not for your table, there's tons of content that will be of use to you.
So jazzed!
The barrier ability needs to specify if it's opaque or not.
Bene Gesserit do not use psionics. They are extraordinarily developed human beings. The past lives the reverend mothers draw on are a gift of spice drug.
My experience with psionics was with a DM who through the kitchen sink at me trying to strip the abilities. I actually rolled the 1% chance gift. When I played, there was no game system to develop or level up psionics.
Are psionics magic detectable?
Psion seems like a more balanced version of Mystic that steps on far fewer classes' toes imho.
"It's all just stuff" *Nakor*
I get that reference. "There's no such thing as magic, it's just a trick"
Second Edition had its issues, but the basic idea of the system translated to skills and feats instead of spells. It could be done better in 3E or 5E.
I too love psionics :D
Wish WOTC would do something like this. Many dms won't allow it because the source ii not official.
Thanks.
I remember when Kimmuriel Teleported into a room which had an anti-magic shell in it. Also, during the Time of troubles House Oblodra was not affected. Psionics are not magic.
Any chance of a deal with WoTC to make this official?