This is not OK. Can the format survive?
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Blue/Green Simic Ramp Nadu Brawl Commander deck for MTG Arena
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No outro, so here it is... You're Cool
Are there any equipment legal in brawl that equip for 0 mana?
@@princequincy5421 I think Leather Armor is one of them, but only once per turn
There was an outro, it was a commercial
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CGB your necktie is a little short.
I faced Nadu this morning. Turn 4, they had 12 lands, 7 cards in hand, and 10 creatures. I missed 1 land drop. Fun
Magic the Gathering experience like Richard Garfield intended :D
I faced a Nadu, they missed one land drop and left
@@shatteredteethofgod it's brawl. Not competitive. No prizes. You're point stands, I agree. I'm just saying it's a worryingly powerful card.
@@AutkastKain i somewhat agree and disagree. Your opponent definitely has no responsibility for your fun but WOTC absolutely does when they design cards and at the core of it this is a game and a game should be designed to be fun for people.
@@kylesmith987 I hadn't thought of it that way. I think WotC has a responsibility to make a good game that can appeal to different people's interpretation of fun, and if during their attempts to do so, they make a card that is fun for some formats but too powerful for other formats, then it is their responsibility to ban/rebalance it. But yeah, they do have responsibility that I hadn't thought of
"Only" twice, cards fine guys, we nailed it
Only twice… per creature…
It clearly would be too weak if it could draw/ramp on turn 3 only once per turn per creature 🥴
No it's ok guys, I predicted they would protect Nadu with a spell, that's why I saved two removal spells... wait how are they abusing the ability to ramp 2 and draw 3... and... they drew into a counterspell...
@@Kino280 FOR THREE MANA, WIZARDS YOU FUCKING HACKS
It reveals the nonland cards, sounds fair to me! That's what I call balance.
The first time I read Nadu when it was spoiled I misread it as it can only trigger twice a turn period. That it's per creature is just deranged and the designer of that card needs to have an assistant hired to sanity check their ideas because what the actual eff?
Legitimately, they missed every opportunity to bring the card somewhat in line. Land could come in tapped? Nope. Stat line on top of the ability? 3/4 Flying. Don’t put the card in hand if it’s not a land? Nope. It’s like it’s designed to break the game. I hope it gets banned from commander somewhat quickly.
@@acuriouscorvid531 its not being banned, its gonna end up like chulane or tergrid probably
@@Betex9s no, chulane and tergird struggled to keep up in cedh but nadu has already been winning tournaments.
@@Zachhodes i was talking in casual commander idk much about cedh
Not since Oko have I seen them design a card that was so clearly a mistake.
And for the second time, it was with a card that costs 1GU.
It's a perfectly fine card for the format it's designed for. It's very good in brawl/commander, though probably not better than the best. It is extremely unfun to play and play against though.
@@shauntoochaos235not very good. Broken.
@@shauntoochaos235 I really can't think of a simic commander that is a better general commander than Nadu.
@@eewweeppkkdebatably more OP than kinnan
Why tf would the land come into play untapped??
Because simic
Devs asleep at the wheel as usual
To have a difference between taplands and non-taplands - I guess.. Could play spelunking if they did come tapped.. They come into play ubtapped because - they did not make it so that they'd come in tapped.. Dunno if they intendet the card to be absolutely busted or if it was an oversight or something.. But they could have made it not give ability to creatures but simply have the ability whenever a creature -- so it would be max 2 times a turn per Nadu not max 2 times a turn per creature and that would have been simpler and similar to previous cards like Venerated Rotpriest - and they did not - -so looks quite intentional.
The lands entering untapped had to have been such an obvious oversight. Fire that dude.
Isn’t the bigger problem that things aren’t getting playtested? So many releases that they can’t playtest them all
@@honestabe411Sure they can, CGB broke it the second the set released. It's just the 'devs' aren't fans of the game OR don't even play
@@TheLukieBoi1 well then they can playtest but don’t, whatever, isn’t that the bigger issue than one person who designed the card?
@@TheLukieBoi1 What a braindead take.There's been shitton of cards that have been lauded as "completely broken" that end up not causing any real splash in the scene. The meta changes and adapts.
Not only that, the card is at its best in brawl, a format that is at best a side-consideration.
I don’t know how I feel about this card in regular Commander, the way it interacts with stuff like Shuko. “I guess I’ll equip and unequip this ummm, ten times, then I’ll play this creature I put into my hand and do the Shuko thing again. Then I’ll play these 3 0 cost creatures I put into my hand and do it 6 more times…”
Prophet of Kruphix would like to talk to you about monopolizing play time.
@@shatteredteethofgod I don't play comander to watch someone take a 20 minitue turn in order to deal 40,000 damage to everyone at the table.
Thoughts on running Orvar? target your own creature with an instant or sorcery, get a copy, the copy can get two additional triggers from the commander.
It wouldn't work with the commander itself from legend rule right? But for copying creatures with abilities that target your commander that's insane
@@anonymoose2474 That is correct but if you legend rule your own commander and keep the token copy that copy has not triggered the ability yet so you can use legend rule to refresh the twice per turn clock in addition to copying other creatures that are targetable by spells/sorceries.
seems unnecessarily win-more
@@davidwitt5585 what if you copy a defensive creature? I don't think it's win more
Ivy, gleeful spell thief also seems busted, she lets you copy any spell that targets a creature target her, doubling every trigger basically
I can’t believe that card is only 3 mana.
Never mind that the twice per turn clause is twice as good as it had to be, it will also be a pain in the neck to track in paper.
Also this guy reminds me of Voja: he incentives board wipes instead of spot removal, which slows down games.
Exactly! Once per turn might have been bearable, then targeted removal wouldn't be such a negative swing in value. Or, perhaps, if the effect triggered either only from your spells and abilities, or your opponent's; same issue Rotpriest has, although obviously that's considerably more niche and self-limiting. Nadu is arguably worse than Voja because the Nadu player will get at least some (and likely, a ton of) value from it before anyone else can afford to wipe the board.
The real issue is that it gives the ability for all your creatures. It would be fine if it was twice per turn total, regardless of which creature is targeted.
It's funny because even if they ban this card the necrobloom has also hyperoptimized landfall decks. Stapling avenger of zendikar, field of the dead and life for the loam on one card for 4 mana is just not fine.
I actually just built this deck in paper to play some commander with my friends, and I went all out. I got the shuko, sylvan paradise, sea kings blessing, cyclonic rift, bristly bill, nantuko guy, scute swarm, displacer kitten, fetch lands...the works + all the other shenanigans to make it top tier minus the auto win thassas oracle (although a laboratory maniac seemed ok).
Yet, after watching this video (which, for the first time ever while watching CGB content, I repeatedly skimmed forward to just see the final couple of turns of each game, since the matches were very uninteresting). It was CGB, winning EVERY game, in such an UTTERLY overpowered NO CONTEST sort of way! He just pulverized the opponents!
It did not seem fun. For anyone involved! Just an, I win deck! My turns are gonna take too long because I'm constantly searching for lands and artifacts in my deck...here please cut, AGAIN! Wait, I'll counter that spell, draw/ramp a shit ton, no that removal won't work because I used some form of protection/phasing/blinking on it...and oh yeah I draw/ramp some more. Bam, a rift! Or shit I decked myself because I locked in the combo, and now Labratory Maniac says...I WIN! Because I have Arch of Orazca to draw from that empty deck.
I haven't even played one game with my fully double sleeved and constructed Nadu "Maniacal Spiracal" deck yet, and I dont believe I should. A small part of me (the competitive a**hole part) does want to try this deck out, but the Magic loving guy, who likes having a healthy play group and good friends that enjoy playing with me, part...does NOT want to.
Thanks for the insight CGB.
Nadu is a good bird, but it's no Mesa Falcon.
It is not even Storm Crow!
I saw you build this on livestream and kind of rolled my eyes at, but my god does this simic go hard
Wait, if this ability is on each creature you control, that means that if you target your creatures with March of Swirling Mist you'll get a trigger for each of them?
Correct
Today I saw a 1 mana protection spell get turned into ancestral recall.
But only twice each turn
@@jackattackhissnack per creature, lol
@@argosbrave6415 yes but only twice
Finally, a card that can compete with Mesa Falcon as the king of flyers.
I don't know why it annoys me as much as it does. But you really need to put ivy into this deck. There is literally no reason not to 😂
I don't know why the CryLaugh emoji bothers me as much as it does, but it does
@@keithmpire Thankyou for sharing lol. You must really hate reading UA-cam comments then.
@@EggsAreGood55 I don't love it
@@keithmpire Yet here you are you little masochist.
Balance Team Monkey at it again it seems...
Can’t imagine this card stays legal in brawl for long. Played it the other day and in one turn I went from dominating to no chance at all.
I can't wait to try this card in paper commander. Actually stupid card lol
@@anonymoose2474 I mean, if you want to turn the game from commander to archenemy, assuming this card ends up threatening in actual commander.
Honestly can't say yet. It's one thing to dominate a brawl deck with super fast ramp and landfall effects, but in commander with 3 people with 40 HP to chew through? Much taller order. On one hand I feel board wipes can really ruin your day, on the other hand the stupid amount of ramp and card draw helps you find counterspells for those wipes.
@@JushakF this deck can run like 5 different infinite combos, and a bunch of removal and ways to use the commander to ramp/value, and then a ton of counter spells. I think it's just insane honestly
Because Brawl well is known for its extensive banlist of... 19 cards. Almost all of which are just variations of shutting down named card effects.
Is Brawl all about scooping? People never die in this format they just scoop
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OH NO !!i played against my favorite youtuber and didn't realize it! If I had known I wouldn't have scooped so early :D GG
Me: *finally gets the song "Surfin' Bird" out of my head*
CGB: "Haven't you heard? This bird is the word."
Me: NOOOOOOO!
You don't have to be tough to play Brawl, you just need to acknowledge it's mostly a gamble and stack your deck as best you can so the gambling favors you a little more.
That is definitely a magic card
This is why Yu-Gi-Oh has non-targeting removal, will MTG follow?
Someone played this in a game of commander, it’s really annoying because they take forever but it’s not definitive so you shouldn’t skoop. Turn takes like 10-15 min
The worst part is when they do it on your turn.
At least have the decency to do it in my end step.
I played it against it 4 times and lost 3 of them. Now I just concede before the game begins. I'm not ashamed. I'm hoping it wins enough to get put in hell-queue. I'm not salty, it's the strat
I'd recommend putting in ivy, gleeful spell thief! copies all targeted spells and lets you also target her, double the triggers per spell pretty much
Dude you've created a monster. This is wild. I played the same list, got 10-0 in 1/2 hour of game time. WTF.
brawl is the best format but it fucking sucks so badly when everyone cencedes 2 turns into each game
30:18 "Oh no! i'm late for class!" and the whole game too, it seems LMAO
THIS IS THE DUMBEST GAME EVER MADE, THE FACT THAT PPL ACTUALLY PLAY IS HILARIOUS
I just love the ad at the end. It's perfection in every way, just like you and your decks ♥
i dare u to use another round to mill your opponents deck with etali, primal conqueror and no blue cards. hint Reito
standard best of one only
Arena needs to give us a blacklist in Brawl, as in we can blacklist certain commanders we NEVER want to match up with. Maybe make it a list of 10 to 20 or somewhere in between. The only negative consequence of this would be all the decks made over the degenerate commanders would have like 5 minute ques or longer, but you know what? Deserved.
You can always just insta surrender
@@ConfirmedAsphyxia doing that a consecutive number of times cuz of innumerable degenerate commanders is tiresome.
Just looking at this card makes me not want to watch the video, but it’s my daily dose of CGB, so I guess I’ll watch it anyway
Wow it looks like Mesa, Winged Falcon is pretty overtuned.
It'll be OK when Nadu's up there with Kinnan and Golos so I never have to see it.
Without even seeing gameplay, this seems awfully gross
Wow wizards just discovered that if you make a card totally over rate and have no downsides at all people will use it.. What will the think tank come up with next?!
Not running 0 Equip Cost cards -10 Competitive Credits.
There are no 0 equip cost cards on arena. There is one 4 drop equipment that requires you to discard a card to equip, but that's not good.
Simic value engine with no real wincon is back on the menu, boys
That thumbnail lol!
We need MORE COWBELL!!! 20:27
It's hard to take brawl on Arena seriously because people scoop on the first slightest inconvenience. I've ran a Teferi deck that's just full of counterspells and I've lost 1 out of a few dozen games with it and it has no reason to win so much. But turn one counterspells into turn two counterspells, into turn 3 Teferi and they scoop. Usually before I even get to play Teferi. If they want to take historic brawl seriously on Arena they need a ranked queue. Otherwise it's a useless format where you rarely get to play magic unless you purposely nerf yourself to keep opponent from scooping. Even with hell queue, it's a joke.
Competitive, or PvE. Hard to get humans to volunteer to be your punching bag.
A ranked brawl queue would require wizards to actually treat it like a proper format and inspect cards for whether they're considered unhealthy for its meta. People are very sensitive on brawl yes, but it's a symptom of Wizard's negligence and the relatively solved meta at higher power levels leaving players bored of seeing the exact same decks over and over. Always blame the developers before the players.
The big issue is that since it's a 100 card singleton format you often have no follow up after two countered spells because you drew like shit. Commander avoids this issue by having another 2 targets once you fall behind.
Conversely, I have to play Te5eri permission to compete with what they are printing nowadays
I have an Artifact deck i just brewed up and i think it broke the meta in 1v1 xD
It's good against pretty mutch every popoular deck atm.
I rarely comment on any videos and never share my decks anywhere, but i had to share this one because its been working wonders for me. And I want others to try it out. Please give me some feedback on how its working for you if you decide try it, and how to improve it if you have any ideas.
So i hope you (people in the chat) will check it out :D
2x Skrelv
2x Three steps ahead
1x Eater of virtue
1x Collertor's cage
4x Mandible Justicar
2x Michiko's Reign of Truth
2x Machine over matter
4x Oaken Siren
4x Gold-Forged Thopteryx
2x Annex Sentry
2x Tinker's Tote
2x Akal Pakal, First Among Equals
2x Unctus, Grand Metatect
2x Assimilation Aegis
2x Urza, Prince of Kroog
2x Dollhouse of Horrors
2x Steele Seraph
Mana:
Do what you have but try to at least have:
2-4x Resteless Anchorage
2-4x Mirrex
1-2x The Mycosynth Garden
Grenzo vs nadu: two bullshit commanders. Lol. But Nadu wl poq and all that simic bs in there, that's just another level. It's like wizards designers have a blind spot in simic, wtf - - - oko, Nadu, uro.... Wtf😂😂
At first I was aftaid. I was petrified... Long story short, your bullshit $1200 deck might not survive, but I will. I will survive. Crises precipitate change.
The sponsored ad at the end was really top tier, well done
This deck really needs a Venerated Rotpriest for the memes.
They should make a new format called Nadu. Which is just like brawler but you can only choose Nadu as your commander. And ban Nadu so hars in brawler, you cant even name it with things such as Curse of silence
Absolutely disgusting.. But where's Repulsive Mutation? Map tokens? .. Too much cowbell already?
This card is just, so… dumb.
It’s exasperating that cards like this get designed and printed, seemingly with no regard to what might interact with it and what would inevitably happen when everyone starts playing it.
Wizards apparently drunk at the wheel and making me pine for the days when I was up against Kinnan. Now they just play 10 lands on turn 3. Can we ban this yet?
Today, I wanted to play some brawl. Got to concede 5 consecutive matchs against Nadu before playing vs. something different
you should show an YGO or HS player the new MH3 cards have them take a guess if its broken. would be reallly funny.
Just ban alchemy. Format would be far more stable.
just REBALANCE alchemy… wotc has been so completely lazy to leave the alchemy cards the way they are.the whole point of a digital only card is that you can change them, and instead wotc just lets them exist in their oppressive state forever
@@ashtheswan705it’s on purpose so people spend their wildcards on busted alchemy cards
Yeah they promised alchemy would be monitored and rebalanced as needed but they almost never change anything. I wish we could opt out in brawl but that'll probably never happen. I'd pay good money to opt out lol.
Bad take
I personally avoided sword of forge and frontier in my Nadu deck, bcuz pro green meant some of my spells couldn’t target him
Imagine if they ACTUALLY allowed the 0 equip artifacts like Shuko or Lightning Greaves.
you should probably cut games where the opponents have no
only watched 2min til now, but you didnt include the simic otter in your decklist, i think hes super broken with that deck :D
Cards that untap target permanent are super disgusting with Nadu. Think Kioras Follower.
30:15 "Oh no! I'm late for class!" Ah, so that's why the game had to end so quickly, lol!
It can't just be a 3-mana 3/4 Flying. Nope, it's got to simic value stapled on.
Everybody's heard about the bird 😂😂 reminds me of the family guy episode. loved the reference
Deck looks fun to me
Unctus, Grand Metatect is wild here. Pay two life to target your creatures, repeatedly.
You showed them one deck in brawl.... Now you show them another. What tomfoolery 😆
sure put all the cards that enable yet another underpowered green enchantment hothouse into modern horizons :\
Ah gotta love simic bs
Even more busted in paper EDH where you have three Equipment with 0 equip cost.
Simic: the color pair that gets a new broken card every few months. Like yeeeeesh.
That card is definitely going to see play in Modern
Nadu is the C in CEDH, which stands for CAW Elder Draw Highlander
Blue-green never escaping the trust fund color allegations I’m afraid
Some of my friends lolll me when i saw the spoiler and Say this is completely busted😂
Ok, that was a very good ad, ngl I always skip but I rather that ad than anything else
Nah, it’s just silly. This is not the fun kind of drawing cards.
I thought the video title was clickbaiting exaggeration. It’s not.
It will not take long and Nadu will meet the fate Oko faced or they will nerf it.
Another deck to instant scoop... just like EDH before it, Brawl is being ruined by tryhard playing a casual format, it's a shame.
That’s why there should be a ladder
Look, to be honest I've started turn 1 scooping to every Simic commander. It's by far, the most powerful colour combo in commander. Shoutout to Roxanne who is also a commander who's essentially immune to the commander tax.
Commander gives you access to 1 card repeatably. Card advantage doesn't matter as long as you have mana. What's the best colour at generating mana? Green. Blue is currently the best pairing because it's the only colour that interacts with the stack.
If the commander tax was "Sac a creature", "Discard a card", or something like "Lose X life", we'd see other colours emerge as the most powerful but no, they left it at mana and then let one colour be the best at generating mana.
That was all I hoped it would be. Freaking sick man
Just conceded to ya with this deck (player = Fern, Roxanne deck). Bonkers build!
Hope I did my best with my draws, but I was going for daily wins so I gave up when ya started floating 40+ mana per turn. 😂
Been following ya for a while and I think that's the first time I've matched against you. Hopefully I have better luck next time!
I´m fine with powercreep, but they are powersprinting it down
who was the person that made all people at wizards thing this card is ok
Finally a good simic commander that can compete in the big leagues on arena & immediately everyone out here trying to get it banned 😢
I'm wondering if it's possible to brick in a deck like this. It feels like you could build exclusively lands, protection spells, and blink spells and you'd still win. All of the other stuff just makes it a nigh unstoppable machine.
Not really sure what you could do to beat this, maybe drannith magistrate? But then you still have a simic value pile to deal with...
Anybody have any idea how one would deal with this card?
Simic... I LOVE SIMIC!! MOAR SIMIC! AHHHHHHH!!!!!
This was the most fun vid I've seen in ages. Makes me want to build that deck just for the funzies.
It's even worse when you're playing against someone that just net-decked it and doesn't know how to use it properly. Their turns drag on and take a week-and-a-half because the damned deck just won't die.
I for one hope it does not survive, so I can watch Mesa Falcon Guy have to suffer more in an un-rotated standard
The fact that this list isn't even optimized at all is disgusting.
This was hilarious but not healthy for magic
Oh, THIS is why I keep getting run over by Nadu's in Brawl now... It's always fun seeing which legendaries are the hell queue worthy ones of each set lol
If the Magic thing doesn't work you should really become a commercial spokesman. That Ultimate Guard bit at the end was 👨🍳 👌
We demand a 2 hour video of Nadu shenanigans
I'd like to hear from any computer scientists in the chat but is it because they coded a blink effect in such a way that it actually creates a new object and removes the original one? so when the opp conceded it just created a new tamiyo and the process got interrupted in the middle? It's always fascinating to see what's actually going on under the hood
since modern horizons 3 when clicking anything past main menu game now has a infinite loading screen and is unplayable for me
nvm i fix it by reinstalling the steam version and uninstalling the original
If the Magic thing doesn't work you should really become a commercial spokesman. That Ultimate Guard bit at the end was 👨🍳 👌
When they kill Nadu it doesn't even matter because that process usually means you got a bunch of extra lands so the +2CC is irrelevant.