Often you can tell the true experts by their mannerisms, especially HUMILITY. If you are extremely talented at ???, you don't need to broadcast that info. It's just been my experiences.
kllrjo yes and mostly with Ford motors. I love how these guys get on here and try to say that Ford motors won't make horsepower. the record books contradict that. it's funny how GM and Mopar guys are always the bad boys when they win, but when a Ford wins they have always got some lame excuse why they got beat. I think all of the big three had a lot of success back in the day, but none of them had a monopoly on engine design and developing horsepower.
Which is SO well known for attracting "engine builders" ANYBODY ever heard of "nationally" besides...Jon Kaase. Who is mainly "nationally-known" WHY? Because he's the "undisputed king" of somehow having shitloads of "free time" to "compete" in a "challenge" so hilariously "rigged" in favor of "Ford" and "Chrysler" and any other "automaker" not "Chevy" AND so completely irrelevant to the aftermarket high-peformance auto "industry" that the "king" STILL had/has apparently ENDLESS "free time" to "compete" in THAT challenge as well "motorsports" even more obscure and unknown to "car guys" and "auto racers" etc than HE is outside of the idiot Fordtard "collector" and "enthusiast" so-called "communities" of idiots building "kinda show cars" and with more dollars than sense and so much "brand loyalty" that "money is no object" and they will "break the bank" while paying a "Ford engine-builder" to "build" them "iconic" engines Ford never "built" for and which were never "factory-installed" in the "iconic" vehicles FORD didn'r "factory produce" period AND they pay the big bucks for ZERO ACTUAL "FORD" PARTS WHATSOEVER AND ALL TO "COMPETE" - IN THEIR IDIOTIC FANTASIES WHERE THE REST OF THE "BIG 3" GAVE A TIN SHIT ABOUT "COMPETING" WITH FORD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM "ON THE RACETRACK/DRAGSTRIP" - WHICH IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT "GM" AND "CHRYSLER" TOGETHER HAD ZERO "FACTORY RACE" TEAMS/EFFORTS/DEPARTMENTS/BUDGETS/DIVISIONS AND WERE WAY TOO BUSY "ENGINE BUILDING" FOR THEIR FACTORY PRODUCTION VEHICLES - WITH "CHEVY GUYS" THAT DON'T HAVE, WANT OR NEED AN "ENGINE MASTER" TO "BUILD" THEIR CHEVROLET "RACE ENGINES" FOR THEIR CHEVROLET "RACE CARS" IN "VINTAGE" OR "CLASSIC" STOCK-APPEARING "RACE CARS". AND OF COURSE ONLY IDIOTS LIKE THAT COULD LOOK AT AN ABSOLUTE NON-AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERING ABORTION LIKE THAT NEVER FACTORY-PRODUCED AVAILABLE IN ZERO "FORD" PASSENGER CARS EVER "FORD EDSEL" (THE "HERITAGE" OF THE "FE" WAS GOING TO BE EDSEL CARS AS WELL AS FORD TRUCKS BECAUSE "FORD" WAS GETTING OUT OF THE "CAR BUSINESS" SINCE "CHEVY" HAD ALREADY SOLD 40 MILLION "CARS" BY "1955" AND WITH ZERO "DOMESTIC AUTO PRODUCTION" DURING "WWII" AND WAS SO FAR AHEAD OF THE "COMPETITION" FORD STOPPED "PUBLISHING" ITS "SALES FIGURES" ABOUT THE TIME THE "MODEL A" WAS "INTRODUCED" 25 YEARS AFTER THE "MODEL T" AND TEN YEARS AFTER THE FIRST "CHEVY" - WHICH WAS IN MASS-PRODUCTION WITH AN OHV 2-VALVE DISTRIBUTOR-IGNITION ELECTRIC-START PRESSURE-LUBRICATED FUEL-PUMPED V8 IN 1918 - CAME ALONG AND FORD "SALES" FOR SOME REASON "SLUMPED" THAT ONLY BY "SPLITTING UP" FORD CARS AND FORD TRUCKS AND "REBRANDING" THE CARS AS "EDSEL" AND "GOING PUBLIC" WITH ITS "AUTOMAKING" WAS FORD GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH "GM" USING "SALES FIGURES" AND JUST UNTIL THE "IPO" AND BIG "GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS" THAT AS A "PRIVATE COMPANY" FORD WAS THEN AND IS NOW INELIGIBLE FOR.
@@ThePaulv12 ; You might've noticed. On all the 71-73 Mustangs, the shock towers were redesigned from the factory to drop the "BOSS9" in without sending the Mustang to KarKraft. To bad the government shot that down.
825 hp on pump gas built to take abuse, and it's going in a Cobra. Or around 3lbs per HP with the wheel base of a VW bug. That's an E ticket ride for sure.
I was at a World of Wheels car show in 1977, I was 16. There was a guy there selling a 427 Cammer still in the Holman & Moody crate for $1,500.00, I begged my dad to loan me the money, but that was a lot of money for a kid working at a gas station pumping gas for a living, he knew it would take me forever to pay him back, so he wouldn`t do it. It would have been a sweet addition to my `68 Torino GT fastback I was driving!
I built a 351C for a '67 fastback Mustang I had back in high school and that engine was so freakin' powerful! I could get a chirp in every gear and could smoke 'em at freeway speed, just drop it into third and dump the clutch. Never had so much fun in a car and that engine never let me down. The secret to that engine was the month of port work I put into it, measuring and re-measuring each intake runner to get them shaped right and smooth out all the casting flash and rough surfaces. The exhaust side got an extensive polishing of the valve heads, combustion chambers and piston tops. Would love to know what happened to that car and engine. My current project is doing the same thing to a Corvair engine/drive train, w/ the end-goal of 200+ RWHP to motivate that 2750lb. chassis around the autocross courses.
The '68 came with an FE 428, my 69 Cougar had a 428 SCJ from the factory. There was lots of room, just the 4 bolts per port headers were tedious a bit. The 68 Cougar had an extremely fast race car issued by Ford with drag slicks. The Cleveland and of course 429 Boss will have clearance issues, but can be done. 428's outperformed the 429's for a long time. At stock displacement they have too much flow, they really do better at 500 cubic inches or more. Mr Kaase builds them well over 600 cubic inches, I've heard of 700 cid even. A 427 crank in a 428 gives you an easy 454 cid to start with. Put in Monte Carlo bars and solid motor mounts even with a stock FE. You can save the shoe horn for those fancy Italian spider squisher 👞 Cheers 🍻
I love it that Jon has been building great Ford products for over 45 years! I'd love to see him develop competitive Ford based engines, just like the Hemi continuations for T/F & F/C!!!
I've never been a real Ford fan but I would buy and run one of your engines in a heartbeat. You turn Ford engines into real works of art that will scream. I really admire what you do.
Jon built my engine in 2010. 521ci with P51 heads with about 50,000 miles on it. It is a bullet proof monster in a Cobra. Runs incredibly and never a moments problem.
It's a real waste. Those Cobras do not work well with any big block. They used to be very popular at one time here in Quebec. The guy putting them together was a real pro, but there was no changing the laws of physics. There was even a magnesium FE block available at one time, still too much weight in the wrong place without enough wheelbase.
Mr Kasse,please build new FE stuff! We love it. The block and heads all on the Wedge are what I like, but finally an FE block to match the Cammer! I got burned in a design I signed off on and it got wallowed around . Bill Ballinger.
@@culbycars....The Cleveland is an excellent choice for your Cobra replica kit car. One of the best features of a kit car is being able to choose the engine and drivetrain combination. If someone wants to build a replica of the original, then they are limited to only two choices, the underpowered 289 or the expensive 427. Since the Cobra is all about extreme performance, then why not choose an engine that can deliver different levels of extreme without the extreme price tag ? The 351 Cleveland is one of the most misunderstood engines in history and thanks to the internet, there’s more misinformation than ever before. But the engine itself isn’t all that complicated and the selection of aftermarket components and performance parts is the best its ever been. I’ve been into drag racing Fords since 1964 and Clevelands specifically for 40 years. UA-cam has some great sources for Clevelands that are based on the facts instead of the hype and could be very helpful for anyone interested in building a Cleveland. The DragBoss Garage has plenty of great Cleveland videos including the 408 Cleveland stroker he built for his ‘69 Cougar. It’s built using readily available parts like the production cast iron block that he has been using for 20 years. The engine doesn’t use nitrous or forced induction/supercharging. Just a single four barrel Holley and Ford A3 aluminum heads from the eighties. On the dyno it made 752 horsepower at 7600 rpms and 571 pounds of torque at 5600 rpms. His street/ strip all steel Cougar runs consistent 9.60 second quarter mile times with this engine. A Cleveland like this could put a lightweight Cobra in the seven second quarter mile zone without costing a fortune. I buy a lot of my Cleveland parts from Timothy Meyer. He specializes in Cleveland specific parts including his TrackBoss aluminum alloy Cleveland block. Check it out. tmeyerinc.com
@@danielwilson6665 thank you so very much for your time! I get compliments every time I drive it on the sound alone as everyone says it doesn't sound like the others in our group! And thank you for the lead on who's in the know for the Cleveland
Got that right.. you would not believe how many people do not know anything about this motor.... Such badass shit that the public doesn't know how advance for was in the late 60s. That cammer 850hp street engine damn
@@merlemorrison482 u mush have not listen to that guy... With any new designs at first u will have a few bugs once straight total killer engine. This was late 60s technology and a first Ford is the shit. Nor do they know much about these. Another boss 429 a one and only Tru hemi style head. Even Dodge hemi was not a full Tru hemi head.
Jay Leno has an original SOHC, which was a kit back in the day the could be added to an existing 427 FE. These are absolutely beautiful engines, masterpieces
Would love to cram that 427 into a little black 66 fastback, cut the mufflers and just have straight pipes coming out in front of the rear wheels...jacked up just a tad with deep dish cragers all the way around, 4 speed manual, two 4bbl. Carbs with breathers sticking out of the hood, an air spoiler under the front bumper like the Mach 1's have....just a brutal little MONSTER!!....YOU CAN TELL.....I've had this dream for a minute huh? Lol... Just like the rest of us..♥️✔️‼️
Not his engine builder. His helper. But later he became an engine builder in his own right. He was Ricky Smith's engine builder and together they won IHRA pro stock Championship.
@erikalston4496 I'm mistaken, I was under the impression that Jon was building Don's engines. Thank you for this info. I know that Jon has became incredible at what he does. I'm glad he has developed so much for the Ford faithful!
825 horse/427 cammer, sends my heart to quiverin' :) I'm thinkin' of a 41 Willeys coupe kit with a Winters quick change rear end and to connect it all a C6 automatic, yesssss :), hey, its Christmas Eve, I can wish :)))
The only thing I would add to that cammer would be a '55 Sunoco blue Customline 2 dr post sedan with a nice red leather bench seat interior and to keep my wife from sneaking it out when I'm not home a Richmond gear 5 speed and a 4.57 alum case 9" Strange rear. And the name of a good attorney. I might be dead quick but it would take the undertaker 2 lbs. of putty to hide the grin.
It's a show car. He said it comes out of Utah, which likely means it's a Kirkland. If so, that's a hand formed aluminum body, just like Carrol Shelby's were. I doubt it'll ever see a race track or drag strip, and with that short wheel base that's a GOOD thing. I'd love to see it when finished, not drive it, just see it.
The new Ford 7X engine should be based off the Cammer but with modern technology and should be displacing at 7.5 liters (460) Cubic inches which would be a modern day 460 Big Block with a SOHC 2V HEMI design (code name KING KONG) which would put the Coyote, the Voodoo, and even the EcoBoost engines to shame.
I was around to be part of the great days of Cammers and Bosses. Awesome stuff no doubt. But technology and Ford are now building more horsepower with only half the cubic inches. Truth. Just accept it guys 👍
People dont want to beleive it. They still think big cubes are king and old school stuff was better. While they have thier place and it's cool to keep them alive. The new stuff is better engineered, with better materials. And sorry to say to most old timers, fuel injection is much better than a carb.
@ Leo Karasinski....I owned my first ‘69 428 CJ , Ram Air Mach 1 in 1971. I was 17 and still on a steep learning curve. It was a torque monster with the C6 automatic and would boil the G60/15 Uniroyals easily at any speed below 60 when it would downshift into first gear. It was a blast to race against original 426 Hemis, 427 Chevys, 440 six pack Chryslers and all of the first generation of factory muscle cars so common on the streets then. For decades I thought there was no way in hell a 4.6 liter Mustang could possibly come close to the 428 CJ in brute force performance. WRONG 😳. In 2003 a very trusting woman I worked with let me borrow her ‘03 Mustang Cobra Terminator for a 2 hour test drive BY MYSELF one nice springtime afternoon in Atlanta. The first time I hammered the throttle and heard the Eaton Supercharger scream i was hooked. For the next couple of hours I pushed her Cobra to it’s limits constantly and it performed flawlessly. Smoking the radials through the first 3 gears from every stoplight or sign. Hard cornering on deserted streets out in the suburbs. Top end runs in low traffic areas on interstate highways and even a few panic stops from 150 mph on the interstate when traffic got screwed up suddenly. As awesome as my Cobra Jet Mustang was the 428 was no match for the blown little 281 in the high technology Modern Cobra. The old Mach 1’s front disc/rear drum brakes would have faded out becoming useless quickly. The big torque monster 428 CJ would have overheated at sustained speed above 140. The modern Cobra has good overall balance and would corner like a slot car. The nose heavy 428 would try to push right into a ditch if pushed near its limits. I LOVED MY ‘69 428 CJ MACH. It was awesome in its day. But the natural order of evolution through technology has resulted in a true world class performance Mustang with much bigger highly refined BALLS. 😄
@Daniel Wilson Nobody is arguing that. Yes, technology has allowed a 5.0 Mustang to out run a Boss 9. But, for those of us that grew up in the muscle car era, there is nothing like a big block engine. Especially, big block Fords and Mopars. I can't get too excited about a new small block engine that doesn't even resemble a muscle car engine and I can't do anything to it without a computer. I'd take a Boss 9 any day over these new ones. To each his own.
@@1LOCKNLOAD Perhaps my choice of words delivered the wrong message. I think the early muscle cars are great. That’s probably why I’ve owned my 1970 Mustang Mach 1 with the 351 Cleveland 4-V for 37 years 👍.
The badass big block Ford that made Chrysler and the Mopar camp wine and cry to NASCAR to banned this engine because Slopar knew there Clocks were about to get cleaned if NASCAR hadn't stepped in Chrysler was going to go home with a worn out Bootyhole!!!!#Blue Oval Nation
Jerry half of those engines blew up most of the time from poorly designed oiling issues crank bearing problems as well as the crappy timing issues they had, the other reason they were banned was because it wasn't a production based engine that came in any blue oval car off the show room floor it was basically an experimental engine that was built in a very short time to try to compete against the Hemi . NASCAR also banned the use of the Hemi cars from running a 2x4 carburetor & intake system on those to slow them down being the Daytona & Super bird stock cars set the 200 mph records on the tracks something non of the rest of the did Ford or Chebbie in those days ! Those Cammer engines did make great power but we're plagued by all of the problems I mentioned above & many used in the nitro classes of drag racing had a life expectancy of 1 or 2 runs down the strip before the cranks would go out of them & grenade the block, my old neighbor Tom Hoover of the funny car Show time & the old Pioneer funny car used those Cammers in his early years in his front engined sling shot dragsters & said great power but unreliable & expensive to build or rebuild compared to the Chrysler Hemi or a BB Chevrolet that was also used in those nitro classes & that 80% of the teams running them ended up going back to the Hemi instead, Tom had a pile of those Cammer blocks laying behind his shop after blowing them up, wish I could have got one of those blocks & some bad heads just to put one together as a display even if it didn't run in my garage as hot rod art. These here engines are much better than those original designed Cammer so they at least stay together much better with the prior problems figured out & would love to have 1 but you know these aren't going to be cheap at all to buy or to buy parts for !
@@peteloomis8456 ,The timing chain would stretch causing the left cylinder bank to get out of time.It required the cam to be retarded a few degrees to compensate for the timing chain stretching.It was a big problem with the SOHC engine,if Ford would have designed the timing chain better or come up with a solution after the problem came to light the engine would've been much more successful.
❤❤ ur engines Jon Kasse . Wish l had the Funds 2 build up a Eliminator 21 ft jet boat from California. With a 598 Ford Boss (429 heads) ( Whipple Supercharger 8.3ltr & Whipple Cupronickel Marine Intercooler Core . Billet Crank , Rods & Pistons with Injection Hat . 1600 hp Jon With a Mini Tunnel Ram. A guy in Australia where l reside does a lovely billet job 4 Chevy BB. And Frankenstein in the USA do real nice Billet Gear .
I'm not jealous of Bill Cosby wrecking his Cobra. I was just saying he "HAD" one and wrecked it. I do have a 429SCJ that I've thought about putting in a Cobra.
Love to have one of those aluminum FE blocks for my 75 F250. Already came from the factory with a 390 FE but it has problems so I need a bolt in replacement.
@@jesusisalive3227 Thanks for bringing that typo to my attention. I meant 400M based on his engine master creations that I’ve read about. I’ve fixed it.
@@scarbourgeoisie Did you know that Ford was planning to use the 400 as a Boss engine? I believe the fuel efficiency bs killed it and Ford ended up detuning the poor thing to death.
Saw a real 427 AC Cobra that Russ Meeks show horned in a real camper into years ago. It was owned by a gentleman named Shannon from Scottsdale. It was fantastic!
Cammer got all this low and mid lift flow, almost as much as a DOHC head on that bore. Someone said it stretches the torque and HP peaks. I wasn't seeing anything about peak power gains mentioned. Can someone discuss what an abundance of low lift flow does with the same camshaft on a head that has the same mid and hi lift flows.?
That cammer engines would look nice in a 57 Ford Fairlane 300 2 door post making a gasser with a straight axle that would be the car to put that nastalgic engine in.
I’ll take the wedge FE over the cammer. At a cost of 100 hp difference, I suspect the cost for the wedge is much less as is the weight plus your not delving into unobtanium territory. You can likely single source the wedge parts from JK. The SOHC? Not so much.
Apparantly it was an unreliable engine that wouldn't even last down a 1/4 mile. Also Mopar had a DOHC Hemi then that they weren't able to use and probably would have done well.
Love to see the SOHC motor in a continental mk2 detuned a little bit so it's more torquey with less top end and quieter so it would really sound like a luxury car engine like the 6.75 L Bentley V8.
Jon is so humble, he’s always crediting other people and never blows his own horn. The King of Understatement.
Often you can tell the true experts by their mannerisms, especially HUMILITY. If you are extremely talented at ???, you don't need to broadcast that info. It's just been my experiences.
Jon Kaase is the undisputed KING of the engine master challenge!
kllrjo yes and mostly with Ford motors. I love how these guys get on here and try to say that Ford motors won't make horsepower. the record books contradict that. it's funny how GM and Mopar guys are always the bad boys when they win, but when a Ford wins they have always got some lame excuse why they got beat. I think all of the big three had a lot of success back in the day, but none of them had a monopoly on engine design and developing horsepower.
@@mikeburks9641 And who caved to Obama's failed takeover? G.M. and Chrysler.
Which is SO well known for attracting "engine builders" ANYBODY ever heard of "nationally" besides...Jon Kaase. Who is mainly "nationally-known" WHY? Because he's the "undisputed king" of somehow having shitloads of "free time" to "compete" in a "challenge" so hilariously "rigged" in favor of "Ford" and "Chrysler" and any other "automaker" not "Chevy" AND so completely irrelevant to the aftermarket high-peformance auto "industry" that the "king" STILL had/has apparently ENDLESS "free time" to "compete" in THAT challenge as well "motorsports" even more obscure and unknown to "car guys" and "auto racers" etc than HE is outside of the idiot Fordtard "collector" and "enthusiast" so-called "communities" of idiots building "kinda show cars" and with more dollars than sense and so much "brand loyalty" that "money is no object" and they will "break the bank" while paying a "Ford engine-builder" to "build" them "iconic" engines Ford never "built" for and which were never "factory-installed" in the "iconic" vehicles FORD didn'r "factory produce" period AND they pay the big bucks for ZERO ACTUAL "FORD" PARTS WHATSOEVER AND ALL TO "COMPETE" - IN THEIR IDIOTIC FANTASIES WHERE THE REST OF THE "BIG 3" GAVE A TIN SHIT ABOUT "COMPETING" WITH FORD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM "ON THE RACETRACK/DRAGSTRIP" - WHICH IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT "GM" AND "CHRYSLER" TOGETHER HAD ZERO "FACTORY RACE" TEAMS/EFFORTS/DEPARTMENTS/BUDGETS/DIVISIONS AND WERE WAY TOO BUSY "ENGINE BUILDING" FOR THEIR FACTORY PRODUCTION VEHICLES - WITH "CHEVY GUYS" THAT DON'T HAVE, WANT OR NEED AN "ENGINE MASTER" TO "BUILD" THEIR CHEVROLET "RACE ENGINES" FOR THEIR CHEVROLET "RACE CARS" IN "VINTAGE" OR "CLASSIC" STOCK-APPEARING "RACE CARS".
AND OF COURSE ONLY IDIOTS LIKE THAT COULD LOOK AT AN ABSOLUTE NON-AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERING ABORTION LIKE THAT NEVER FACTORY-PRODUCED AVAILABLE IN ZERO "FORD" PASSENGER CARS EVER "FORD EDSEL" (THE "HERITAGE" OF THE "FE" WAS GOING TO BE EDSEL CARS AS WELL AS FORD TRUCKS BECAUSE "FORD" WAS GETTING OUT OF THE "CAR BUSINESS" SINCE "CHEVY" HAD ALREADY SOLD 40 MILLION "CARS" BY "1955" AND WITH ZERO "DOMESTIC AUTO PRODUCTION" DURING "WWII" AND WAS SO FAR AHEAD OF THE "COMPETITION" FORD STOPPED "PUBLISHING" ITS "SALES FIGURES" ABOUT THE TIME THE "MODEL A" WAS "INTRODUCED" 25 YEARS AFTER THE "MODEL T" AND TEN YEARS AFTER THE FIRST "CHEVY" - WHICH WAS IN MASS-PRODUCTION WITH AN OHV 2-VALVE DISTRIBUTOR-IGNITION ELECTRIC-START PRESSURE-LUBRICATED FUEL-PUMPED V8 IN 1918 - CAME ALONG AND FORD "SALES" FOR SOME REASON "SLUMPED" THAT ONLY BY "SPLITTING UP" FORD CARS AND FORD TRUCKS AND "REBRANDING" THE CARS AS "EDSEL" AND "GOING PUBLIC" WITH ITS "AUTOMAKING" WAS FORD GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH "GM" USING "SALES FIGURES" AND JUST UNTIL THE "IPO" AND BIG "GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS" THAT AS A "PRIVATE COMPANY" FORD WAS THEN AND IS NOW INELIGIBLE FOR.
@@deeremeyer1749 Say what?
@@deeremeyer1749 Spoken like a drunken screaming GM fanboi.
Such a beautiful engine. I dream of putting a sohc in a 69 Torino Talladega painted up like Pearson.
You just hardly see any Talladegas or Cyclones, they are such hot but rare cars.
I'd like to put his Boss 9 engine in a 71-73 Mustang and make it look like a factory install complete with labels, tags and overspray.
How about Rick Stanton's tribute car then? ua-cam.com/video/LWC--M99Alo/v-deo.html
My high school buddy had 428 Talladega... Great running car but just look for again super Cool
@@ThePaulv12 ; You might've noticed. On all the 71-73 Mustangs, the shock towers were redesigned from the factory to drop the "BOSS9" in without sending the Mustang to KarKraft. To bad the government shot that down.
825 hp on pump gas built to take abuse, and it's going in a Cobra. Or around 3lbs per HP with the wheel base of a VW bug. That's an E ticket ride for sure.
Yeah, I'd say a 4:56 gear is out... Try like a 2:75 just to keep it maneuverable from a stop light. Still get a 3 second 0-60, just from the torque...
In terms of sheer badassery no doubt. Realistically, I think I would prefer a 289 with vintage 427 power.
That SOHC is the holy grail!!! That is my goal in life is to have one.
I was at a World of Wheels car show in 1977, I was 16. There was a guy there selling a 427 Cammer still in the Holman & Moody crate for $1,500.00, I begged my dad to loan me the money, but that was a lot of money for a kid working at a gas station pumping gas for a living, he knew it would take me forever to pay him back, so he wouldn`t do it. It would have been a sweet addition to my `68 Torino GT fastback I was driving!
How much did you make an hour?
Elvis...aka The King
Start buying pieces. What ever you find what ever you can afford.
So old it's new! Amazing engines. I have an original FE 427 in a Superformance SC Cobra. It hauls.
That sounds incredible sir! Ive been looking around but its almost impossible to find an original 427 FE for sale nowadays.
I built a 351C for a '67 fastback Mustang I had back in high school and that engine was so freakin' powerful! I could get a chirp in every gear and could smoke 'em at freeway speed, just drop it into third and dump the clutch. Never had so much fun in a car and that engine never let me down. The secret to that engine was the month of port work I put into it, measuring and re-measuring each intake runner to get them shaped right and smooth out all the casting flash and rough surfaces. The exhaust side got an extensive polishing of the valve heads, combustion chambers and piston tops. Would love to know what happened to that car and engine. My current project is doing the same thing to a Corvair engine/drive train, w/ the end-goal of 200+ RWHP to motivate that 2750lb. chassis around the autocross courses.
No flow bench. All guesswork.
May be why you have no likes.
Many years ago my friend had a '67 Cougar w/ a race-built 351C. Baddest small-block V8 ever of that era.
Both are gorgeous engines, but that 427 wedge made me crazy. Love to shoe-horn it into my '68 Cougar!
It will fit just fine. Had a 428 in mine.
Yeah, I do.
The '68 came with an FE 428, my 69 Cougar had a 428 SCJ from the factory. There was lots of room, just the 4 bolts per port headers were tedious a bit. The 68 Cougar had an extremely fast race car issued by Ford with drag slicks.
The Cleveland and of course 429 Boss will have clearance issues, but can be done. 428's outperformed the 429's for a long time.
At stock displacement they have too much flow, they really do better at 500 cubic inches or more. Mr Kaase builds them well over 600 cubic inches, I've heard of 700 cid even. A 427 crank in a 428 gives you an easy 454 cid to start with. Put in Monte Carlo bars and solid motor mounts even with a stock FE. You can save the shoe horn for those fancy Italian spider squisher 👞
Cheers 🍻
both are beyond awesome motors but the king is the 427 Sohc cammer period
Would love to have a 2dr Galaxy with a Cammer. Sweet Mills. 👍👌
I love it that Jon has been building great Ford products for over 45 years! I'd love to see him develop competitive Ford based engines, just like the Hemi continuations for T/F & F/C!!!
That is one extremely talented individual
He built all of Dyno Don Nicholsons pro stock motors. Look him up.
Jon reminds me of Dyno Don in some ways. He is a people person who does not have to parade his ego around. His engines do the talking.
rotorr22: It goes without saying that when they worked together back in 1977, The Pro Stock championship in NHRA was the result.
He will not try to sell you something you really don’t need either! He is a man of integrity.
Amen! rotorr22, Nuff' said!
He built almost all of Don Nicholsons pro stock motors. He is a master.
I've never been a real Ford fan but I would buy and run one of your engines in a heartbeat. You turn Ford engines into real works of art that will scream. I really admire what you do.
Jon built my engine in 2010. 521ci with P51 heads with about 50,000 miles on it. It is a bullet proof monster in a Cobra. Runs incredibly and never a moments problem.
I'd put new rod and main bearings in it.
My God, an 800 HP Cammer in a Cobra? You would have to be certifiable. I love that the combination exists, but that would be a scary damn ride.
It's a real waste. Those Cobras do not work well with any big block. They used to be very popular at one time here in Quebec. The guy putting them together was a real pro, but there was no changing the laws of physics. There was even a magnesium FE block available at one time, still too much weight in the wrong place without enough wheelbase.
Mr Kasse,please build new FE stuff! We love it. The block and heads all on the Wedge are what I like, but finally an FE block to match the Cammer! I got burned in a design I signed off on and it got wallowed around . Bill Ballinger.
well done Jon Kasse, well done. Keep up the good work!
Nothing but the greatest respect for Jon Kaase! Once got to work with SOHC motor.....WOW! Gives me chills.....great engineering for the time.
@Atropus Arbaalish Thanks......that didn't look right but I was thinking about the engine.....will change.
Man that sohc engine looks badass I'd put that in my front room just to look at it
Kaase is legendary with the 429 and Cammer... and probably anything else he touches.
I'd love to see a modern cammer at the drag strip.
He loves bbf's ...but he's done some killer 351 Cleveland's.
That's what I'm running a Cleveland in my replica cobra now and contemplating running a kaase clevland in the near future
@@culbycars....The Cleveland is an excellent choice for your Cobra replica kit car. One of the best features of a kit car is being able to choose the engine and drivetrain combination. If someone wants to build a replica of the original, then they are limited to only two choices, the underpowered 289 or the expensive 427.
Since the Cobra is all about extreme performance, then why not choose an engine that can deliver different levels of extreme without the extreme price tag ?
The 351 Cleveland is one of the most misunderstood engines in history and thanks to the internet, there’s more misinformation than ever before.
But the engine itself isn’t all that complicated and the selection of aftermarket components and performance parts is the best its ever been. I’ve been into drag racing Fords since 1964 and Clevelands specifically for 40 years.
UA-cam has some great sources for Clevelands that are based on the facts instead of the hype and could be very helpful for anyone interested in building a Cleveland. The DragBoss Garage has plenty of great Cleveland videos including the 408 Cleveland stroker he built for his ‘69 Cougar. It’s built using readily available parts like the production cast iron block that he has been using for 20 years. The engine doesn’t use nitrous or forced induction/supercharging. Just a single four barrel Holley and Ford A3 aluminum heads from the eighties. On the dyno it made 752 horsepower at 7600 rpms and 571 pounds of torque at 5600 rpms. His street/ strip all steel Cougar runs consistent 9.60 second quarter mile times with this engine. A Cleveland like this could put a lightweight Cobra in the seven second quarter mile zone without costing a fortune.
I buy a lot of my Cleveland parts from Timothy Meyer. He specializes in Cleveland specific parts including his TrackBoss aluminum alloy Cleveland block. Check it out.
tmeyerinc.com
@@danielwilson6665 thank you so very much for your time! I get compliments every time I drive it on the sound alone as everyone says it doesn't sound like the others in our group! And thank you for the lead on who's in the know for the Cleveland
@@culbycars ....No worries, always glad to help 👍
@@danielwilson6665 - Underpowered 289? IDK, I’ve seen several 550hp 289’s and personally had a 425hp 289 in a Fastback.
"good runnin lil engine".....800 horse 427 cammer lol
I laughed about that too. 800hp is nothing to scoff at but I guess when you pump out race engines with several thousand horsepower 800 seems small.
The only thing lil's about that motor is probably the wingnut holding the air breathe on. ☺️
It's massive. Hopefully the aluminum keeps the weight down.
It's only got about 825 horse power.😂😂
He said it like 825 is nothing!
Well, when you’ve built 4000+hp engines in the past,
Anything making under 1000 is considered “small”
"Real nice little engine"
Little????
Those are both works of art.
Love your work and the engines you build.
427 sohc cammer motor was the best damn motor ford ever created
I think it is the best engine EVER! 😎
yeah? then why did they blow up so often???
@@merlemorrison482 connie Kalita didn't have no problem with em' when he DOMINATED in 1967 with it in The Bounty Hunter... 😎
Got that right.. you would not believe how many people do not know anything about this motor.... Such badass shit that the public doesn't know how advance for was in the late 60s. That cammer 850hp street engine damn
@@merlemorrison482 u mush have not listen to that guy... With any new designs at first u will have a few bugs once straight total killer engine. This was late 60s technology and a first Ford is the shit. Nor do they know much about these. Another boss 429 a one and only Tru hemi style head. Even Dodge hemi was not a full Tru hemi head.
I sometimes go to bed at night thinking about such engines. It's what dreams are made of. 😆
FE stands for F**kin' Expensive!! LOL!
Excellent presentation thanks 👍🇨🇦
I noticed he didn't give a ballpark price, on either...I'm thinking 25K and 50k....
Jay Leno has an original SOHC, which was a kit back in the day the could be added to an existing 427 FE. These are absolutely beautiful engines, masterpieces
Would love to cram that 427 into a little black 66 fastback, cut the mufflers and just have straight pipes coming out in front of the rear wheels...jacked up just a tad with deep dish cragers all the way around, 4 speed manual, two 4bbl. Carbs with breathers sticking out of the hood, an air spoiler under the front bumper like the Mach 1's have....just a brutal little MONSTER!!....YOU CAN TELL.....I've had this dream for a minute huh?
Lol...
Just like the rest of us..♥️✔️‼️
Get started. Re-finance your car or pickup for the funds and make it happen.
wow...if i ever hit the lottery...emmmm.
SAME
Boss nine!!!!
Best race motor ever built and put into a production car.
The first hemmi
Omg 😮 The one on the right ❤️
I remember when many years ago Jon was Dyno Don's engine builder in P/S. He was responsible for a lot of Dyno's success! RIP Dyno. ❤
Not his engine builder. His helper. But later he became an engine builder in his own right. He was Ricky Smith's engine builder and together they won IHRA pro stock Championship.
@erikalston4496 I'm mistaken, I was under the impression that Jon was building Don's engines. Thank you for this info. I know that Jon has became incredible at what he does. I'm glad he has developed so much for the Ford faithful!
825 horse/427 cammer, sends my heart to quiverin' :) I'm thinkin' of a 41 Willeys coupe kit with a Winters quick change rear end
and to connect it all a C6 automatic, yesssss :), hey, its Christmas Eve, I can wish :)))
B&M clutchflite
I would like to see that 427 SOHC in a GT40. The extra 1000 rpm's and 825hp would make that little car need a better aero package!
Got my interest when he said to drop it in a new Mustang , although a 63 Merc would be my choice first.
the undisputed god of all motors power wise and torque wise enough said
The only thing I would add to that cammer would be a '55 Sunoco blue Customline 2 dr post sedan with a nice red leather bench seat interior and to keep my wife from sneaking it out when I'm not home a Richmond gear 5 speed and a 4.57 alum case 9" Strange rear. And the name of a good attorney. I might be dead quick but it would take the undertaker 2 lbs. of putty to hide the grin.
The FE engine is about 40k the Cammer is 50K plus
No mention of any torque specs. It's all about that magic HP number.
427 sohc is my all time favorite engine!
guy is nuts for putting that cammer in a cobra
It's a show car. He said it comes out of Utah, which likely means it's a Kirkland. If so, that's a hand formed aluminum body, just like Carrol Shelby's were. I doubt it'll ever see a race track or drag strip, and with that short wheel base that's a GOOD thing. I'd love to see it when finished, not drive it, just see it.
The new Ford 7X engine should be based off the Cammer but with modern technology and should be displacing at 7.5 liters (460) Cubic inches which would be a modern day 460 Big Block with a SOHC 2V HEMI design (code name KING KONG) which would put the Coyote, the Voodoo, and even the EcoBoost engines to shame.
Now we have a 7.3 ohv engine but designed to be strong af
Mr. Kaase you are THE MAN
Very well done and very informative.
I was around to be part of the great days of Cammers and Bosses. Awesome stuff no doubt. But technology and Ford are now building more horsepower with only half the cubic inches. Truth. Just accept it guys 👍
People dont want to beleive it. They still think big cubes are king and old school stuff was better. While they have thier place and it's cool to keep them alive. The new stuff is better engineered, with better materials. And sorry to say to most old timers, fuel injection is much better than a carb.
@ Leo Karasinski....I owned my first ‘69 428 CJ , Ram Air Mach 1 in 1971. I was 17 and still on a steep learning curve. It was a torque monster with the C6 automatic and would boil the G60/15 Uniroyals easily at any speed below 60 when it would downshift into first gear. It was a blast to race against original 426 Hemis, 427 Chevys, 440 six pack Chryslers and all of the first generation of factory muscle cars so common on the streets then.
For decades I thought there was no way in hell a 4.6 liter Mustang could possibly come close to the 428 CJ in brute force performance. WRONG 😳.
In 2003 a very trusting woman I worked with let me borrow her ‘03 Mustang Cobra Terminator for a 2 hour test drive BY MYSELF one nice springtime afternoon in Atlanta.
The first time I hammered the throttle and heard the Eaton Supercharger scream i was hooked. For the next couple of hours I pushed her Cobra to it’s limits constantly and it performed flawlessly. Smoking the radials through the first 3 gears from every stoplight or sign. Hard cornering on deserted streets out in the suburbs. Top end runs in low traffic areas on interstate highways and even a few panic stops from 150 mph on the interstate when traffic got screwed up suddenly.
As awesome as my Cobra Jet Mustang was the 428 was no match for the blown little 281 in the high technology Modern Cobra. The old Mach 1’s front disc/rear drum brakes would have faded out becoming useless quickly. The big torque monster 428 CJ would have overheated at sustained speed above 140. The modern Cobra has good overall balance and would corner like a slot car. The nose heavy 428 would try to push right into a ditch if pushed near its limits.
I LOVED MY ‘69 428 CJ MACH. It was awesome in its day. But the natural order of evolution through technology has resulted in a true world class performance Mustang with much bigger highly refined BALLS. 😄
@Daniel Wilson Nobody is arguing that. Yes, technology has allowed a 5.0 Mustang to out run a Boss 9. But, for those of us that grew up in the muscle car era, there is nothing like a big block engine. Especially, big block Fords and Mopars. I can't get too excited about a new small block engine that doesn't even resemble a muscle car engine and I can't do anything to it without a computer. I'd take a Boss 9 any day over these new ones. To each his own.
@@1LOCKNLOAD Perhaps my choice of words delivered the wrong message. I think the early muscle cars are great. That’s probably why I’ve owned my 1970 Mustang Mach 1 with the 351 Cleveland 4-V for 37 years 👍.
@Daniel Wilson Nice! My only oldie now is my '69 F-250 w/390.
Ran the Shelby Side oiler FE in my CSX 4000 Cobra. Powerful engine.
The 427 SOHC Cammer would be an awesome engine swap for the Pantera.
And lighter than a cast iron 351.
Johnnyc drums Oh definitely my friend and it'll rev high like a European sports car.
CJ Colvin ; These guys build BOSS "Nines" also. Stacey the truck guy put one in a Cougar he built. I think it was something like 514 c.i., 780 H.P.
Johnnyc drums I know it's called the V8 Interceptor and it's also using a T56 Magnum 6-speed from Tremec.
CJ Colvin ; To bad they can't get rid of that oil pan.
Kaase is a legendary genius no question
The badass big block Ford that made Chrysler and the Mopar camp wine and cry to NASCAR to banned this engine because Slopar knew there Clocks were about to get cleaned if NASCAR hadn't stepped in Chrysler was going to go home with a worn out Bootyhole!!!!#Blue Oval Nation
Why in every car related some one has to say " that is the best car ever built or we bad".
worn out Bootyhole from the Chevy guys because ford men like women not men
Jerry half of those engines blew up most of the time from poorly designed oiling issues crank bearing problems as well as the crappy timing issues they had, the other reason they were banned was because it wasn't a production based engine that came in any blue oval car off the show room floor it was basically an experimental engine that was built in a very short time to try to compete against the Hemi . NASCAR also banned the use of the Hemi cars from running a 2x4 carburetor & intake system on those to slow them down being the Daytona & Super bird stock cars set the 200 mph records on the tracks something non of the rest of the did Ford or Chebbie in those days ! Those Cammer engines did make great power but we're plagued by all of the problems I mentioned above & many used in the nitro classes of drag racing had a life expectancy of 1 or 2 runs down the strip before the cranks would go out of them & grenade the block, my old neighbor Tom Hoover of the funny car Show time & the old Pioneer funny car used those Cammers in his early years in his front engined sling shot dragsters & said great power but unreliable & expensive to build or rebuild compared to the Chrysler Hemi or a BB Chevrolet that was also used in those nitro classes & that 80% of the teams running them ended up going back to the Hemi instead, Tom had a pile of those Cammer blocks laying behind his shop after blowing them up, wish I could have got one of those blocks & some bad heads just to put one together as a display even if it didn't run in my garage as hot rod art. These here engines are much better than those original designed Cammer so they at least stay together much better with the prior problems figured out & would love to have 1 but you know these aren't going to be cheap at all to buy or to buy parts for !
@@peteloomis8456 ,The timing chain would stretch causing the left cylinder bank to get out of time.It required the cam to be retarded a few degrees to compensate for the timing chain stretching.It was a big problem with the SOHC engine,if Ford would have designed the timing chain better or come up with a solution after the problem came to light the engine would've been much more successful.
Yo Jerry Watson you got JT are back at you 289 351 390 the 427 429 and the interceptor 460 nobody beat no one
All thosse wonderful parts and you don't put EFI on it?
Me: "nice hemi, does it come in Ford?"
Kaase: "why yes good sir, it does"
❤❤ ur engines Jon Kasse .
Wish l had the Funds 2 build up a Eliminator 21 ft jet boat from California.
With a 598 Ford Boss (429 heads) ( Whipple Supercharger 8.3ltr & Whipple Cupronickel Marine Intercooler Core . Billet Crank , Rods & Pistons with Injection Hat .
1600 hp Jon
With a Mini Tunnel Ram. A guy in Australia where l reside does a lovely billet job 4 Chevy BB. And Frankenstein in the USA do real nice Billet Gear .
Is it okay for a grown man to drool 🤤? Okay or not, I need a towel. A couple of Stud Hoss engines!❤️
I gotta have one!!!
A 70 Maverick and that 427 SOHC would be home !
Fit ?
i can only imagine the price tags of these engines ......
maldo72 55k for the sohc
Great new parts
Cammer in a Cobra, with 825 horse,doesn't get any wilder!
Bill Cosby had a cobra with 950 hp
You're right, he "HAD" LOL! Somehow he wrecked it.......
jealous?
I'm not jealous of Bill Cosby wrecking his Cobra. I was just saying he "HAD" one and wrecked it. I do have a 429SCJ that I've thought about putting in a Cobra.
Cosby did not wreck it. The Supersnake scared the living shit outta him and he sold it to a guy who killed himself in it.
650hp on pump gas in the 60's... no wonder Pontiac/dodge/Chrysler shit their pants and ran screaming to get it banned.
would love to see him build some NASCAR engines.
Now onto the 427DOHC if it will fit into anything.
And on the seventh day, Jon Kaase brought the Cammer back to life!
(God was busy)
Beautiful
Yea plus I really like that 7 ft long timing chain ...
Love to have one of those aluminum FE blocks for my 75 F250. Already came from the factory with a 390 FE but it has problems so I need a bolt in replacement.
Exhaust valves probably pounded out.
@@cammontreuil7509 Whatever that means??...
Someone once said ...."Man jewelry".
Awesome!! Thanks!!
I need one of those cammers for my cobra replica!!!
How awesome is that!
Great engines, I'll take one of each and through in the boss 429 also please
The cammers power and the wedge's power can be made much much cheaper in a different configuration but then you wouldn't have exotic ford power lol
When I win the lottery I know who I'm calling...
That guy is top notch!
I would like one of those Boss 429's for a pick up truck. A real stump pulling engine (Big Evil Grin).
The man who can make any Ford 400M engine sing.
Don't you mean 385? The 335 was the Cleveland block, 351c, 351m, 400. The 385 is the 429 and 460.
@@jesusisalive3227 Thanks for bringing that typo to my attention. I meant 400M based on his engine master creations that I’ve read about. I’ve fixed it.
@@scarbourgeoisie
Did you know that Ford was planning to use the 400 as a Boss engine? I believe the fuel efficiency bs killed it and Ford ended up detuning the poor thing to death.
@@jesusisalive3227 don't forget the 429 & 460's little brother the 370
@@purpurahaze9179
I don't know much about the 370.
I need that FE
Here in 2024 to soak up this knowledge
Pretty awesome
The Cammer is going into an AC? That I would like to see.
Saw a real 427 AC Cobra that Russ Meeks show horned in a real camper into years ago. It was owned by a gentleman named Shannon from Scottsdale. It was fantastic!
Darned auto correct, "Cammer" & "Shoe Horned"
@@wintonhudelson2252 LMAO
Cammer got all this low and mid lift flow, almost as much as a DOHC head on that bore. Someone said it stretches the torque and HP peaks. I wasn't seeing anything about peak power gains mentioned. Can someone discuss what an abundance of low lift flow does with the same camshaft on a head that has the same mid and hi lift flows.?
There is a all original one for sale on Facebook market place in Howell Michigan area! With pictures
That cammer engines would look nice in a 57 Ford Fairlane 300 2 door post making a gasser with a straight axle that would be the car to put that nastalgic engine in.
The best
I’ll take the wedge FE over the cammer. At a cost of 100 hp difference, I suspect the cost for the wedge is much less as is the weight plus your not delving into unobtanium territory. You can likely single source the wedge parts from JK. The SOHC? Not so much.
S.O.H.C. in A/C (Bristol) Cobra, Damn heads are almost as wide as the fenders
Funny, because the Shelby Cobra never came from Shelby with a cammer - they were all 260/289's or 427 side-oilers.
I wish I had one just to put in my 79 f150 lariat
The gaa had hemi heads in ww2. Plus metalurgy has vastly improved.
Dove Manufacturing used to make 427 blocks and heads and all the top end valve train pieces. Do you know if they are still in business?
It's about 825 it runs on pump gas it's a really good engine no s*** where do I get one
so cool !!!!!
Real neet engines !
Too bad the cammer never got to show its stuff at NASCAR.....
Apparantly it was an unreliable engine that wouldn't even last down a 1/4 mile. Also Mopar had a DOHC Hemi then that they weren't able to use and probably would have done well.
Love to see the SOHC motor in a continental mk2 detuned a little bit so it's more torquey with less top end and quieter so it would really sound like a luxury car engine like the 6.75 L Bentley V8.
What he could do with a 750 c.i. 385 series big block. Triple motors for a go fast boat.