There's a saying in the Orient: "Loyalty to the end." Do you know what it means? "Being...patriotic?" "No, it means we have this sniper called The End and he's a pretty cool guy."
The Boss: There’s a saying in the Orient: “Loyalty to the end.” Do you know what that means? Naked Snake: Being…Patriotic? The Boss: It means devoting yourself to your country. There’s no such thing as an absolute enemy. As long as we have “loyalty to the end”, there’s no point in believing in anything…even those we love. The only thing we can believe in with absolute certainty is the mission. 2018 Sunny: Raiden! Are you alright? Why does this kind of thingthing always happen to you? You’ve been a victim of war ever since you were a kid… It’s not right… Raiden: Not just me, Sunny. It’s you too. Millions of Victims, all over the world… It’s easy to blame it all on guys like Armstrong, but it’s more than that. It’s everyone’s fault… Anyone who goes through life blindly others, following orders, never questioning what they’re told. That’s gotta change. I’m not sure how… But killing this guy seems like a good first step. We rescued America from the Patriots… I won’t let Armstrong make it a wasteland. Sunny: Raiden… Raiden: C’mon, Sunny… Don’t worry. Let me see a smile.
Everyone in the MGS series was trying to act according to what they thought was the Boss's will, but it took Raiden in MGR to realize that the Boss was wrong
@@cleverman383 while I do think The Boss was wrong in her belief that the world should be united under, well, The Illuminati pretty much, the whole "loyalty to the end" is very tongue in check here, since she was ultimately loyal to herself, not following anyone's orders, but trying to accomplish her goal while avoiding nuclear armageddon by sacrificing herself. You can actually read it as entrusting the future to future generations instead of The Philosophers, which is pretty uplifting tbh.
@@francesco3772 The Boss didn't want the world to be united under the Illuminati, that was Zero's misguided interpretation of what she had meant when she had told him that she wanted a world without borders. The Boss simply wanted a world where everyone respected each other, no matter what country they're from. She didn't literally want a world where countries didn't have borders, she just wanted those borders to no longer mean that you have to hate the people who were on the opposite side. To see others, even those from other countries, religions, races, and ideologies, as fellow humans, not as enemies. As for "loyalty to the end", she absolutely meant it. She was ultimately loyal to her mission and made the ultimate sacrifice for that loyalty. She willingly and knowingly accepting a suicide mission where she had to pretend to defect, pretend that she was responsible for launching the Davy Crockett nuke, and allow her apprentice to kill her, all because the mission she was given told her to. Loyalty to the mission above all else.
Major Tom: There's one more person I want to introduce you to, Snake. Speaking of snakes, you remember The Boss, don't you? A legendary soldier, and your mentor. Actually it was The Boss who got the DCI's authorization in the first place. She's going to be serving as Fox's mission adviser. Snake: The Boss is? Major Tom: She also helped me plan this mission. She and I were at SAS together. The Boss: Jack, is that you? How many years has it been? Snake: Boss? The Boss: That's right, it's me. Snake: ... The Boss: Talk to me. Let me hear your voice. Snake: It's been 5 years 72 days, and 18 hours. The Boss: You've lost weight. Snake: You can tell just by the sound of my voice? The Boss: Of course I can. I know all about you. Snake: Really? Well, I don't know anything about you. The Boss: What's that supposed to mean? Snake: Why'd you disappear on me all of a sudden? The Boss: I was on a top secret mission. Snake: ... The Boss: You didn't need me any more. Snake: But there were still so many things I wanted you to teach me. The Boss: No. I taught you everything you needed to know about fighting techniques. I taught you all I could. The rest you needed to learn on your own. Snake: Technique sure. But what about how to think like a soldier? The Boss: How to think like a soldier? I can't teach you that. A soldier needs to be strong in spirit, body, and technique. And the only thing you can learn from someone else is technique. In fact, technique doesn't even matter. What's most important is spirit. Spirit and body are like two sides of a single coin. They're the same thing. I can't teach you how to think. You'll just have to figure it out for yourself. Listen to me, Jack. Just because soldiers are on the same side right now, doesn't mean they always will be. Having personal feelings about your comrades is one of the worst sins you can commit. Politics determine who you face on the battlefield. And politics are a living thing. They change along with the times. Yesterday's good might be tomorrow's evil. Snake: Is that why you abandoned me? The Boss: No, I already told you. It had nothing to do with you. I already told you Jack, I was on a top secret mission. A soldier has to follow whatever orders he's given. It's not his place to question why. But you're looking for a reason to fight! You're a natural born fighter, but you're not quite a soldier. A soldier is a political tool - nothing more. That's doubly true if he's a career soldier. Right and wrong have no place in his mission. He has no enemies, and no friends. Only the mission. You follow the orders you're given. That's what being a soldier is. Snake: I do what I have to get the job done. I don't think about politics. The Boss: That's not the same thing. Sooner or later, your conscience is going to bother you. In the end, you have to choose whether you're going to live as a soldier or just another man with a gun. There's a saying in the Orient, "Loyalty to the End." Do you know what it means? Snake: Being... patriotic? The Boss: It means devoting yourself to your country. Snake: I follow the president and the top brass. I'm ready to die for them, if necessary. The Boss: The president and the top brass won't be there forever. Once their terms are up, others will take their place. Snake: I follow the will of the leader, no matter who's in charge. The Boss: People aren't the ones who dictate the missions. Snake: The who does? The Boss: The times. People's values change over time. And so do the leaders of a country. So there's no such thing as an enemy in absolute terms. The enemies we fight are only enemies in relative terms, constantly changing with the times. Snake: ... The Boss: As long as have "Loyalty to the End," there's no point in believing in anything... even those we love. Snake: And that's the way a soldier's supposed to think? The Boss: The only thing we can believe in with absolute certainty... is the mission, Jack. Snake: All right. But do me a favor. The Boss: What is it? Snake: Call me Snake. The Boss: Snake? Oh, right, your code name is Snake. It suits you well. Major Tom: That's right, the legendary unit that The Boss put together during World War II was a snake. The Cobra Unit... a group of heroes that brought the war to an end and saved the world. As long as you've got a legendary hero backing you up, you'll be fine? Isn't that right, Snake? Snake: Yeah, I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have with me. Oh, and one more thing, Boss... The Boss: Yes? Snake: It's good to hear your voice again. The Boss: Same here. After all, who knows if either of us will make it out alive...
10 Years after Snake Eater Her innocence was proven when the Mammal Pod A.I. Drowned itself to stop the false Nuclear Transmission. As it sung “Sing” The Boss’ Innocence to the world was proven. The Sorrow was right “The Spirit of the Warrior will always be with you.” Snake let go of his loyalty to her & finally wanted to be called Big Boss.
I'm glad her innocence was proven, I only ever played this game. I was legit sad as a kid seeing how the story ended with her going down in history as a traitor, and I never forgot how and why Snake walked away. This game changed my life lolz
@@justsomeguy3931 it’s my favorite game of all time, I get it I just looked up this scene because It hit me hard, I’ve played this game countless times and this is my first time actually listening through this codec call, and where I am in my life it made me think about what I want to do and what I want out of it changing my perspective on what it means to be a soldier/warrior
@@justsomeguy3931 I can't speak on his behalf, but if I had to make a guess it's a very subtle transition that indicates the distance between Snake and The Boss. After her spiel about allegiance to the mission and disavowal of personal attachment, it is almost as if Snake tries to sever the connection between him and the Boss, even if that connection has meant everything to him. The Boss' whole speech in general is ultimately preparation for the final part of Snake's mission at the end of the game, and this is but the first step
@@trooperodst6880 Trash? Because they don't release games often, or you don't like them? Your grammer makes understanding you difficult to impossible...
@@trooperodst6880 History teacher if anything :) OK, if English isn't your first language, then it makes total sense you'd type like that - 100% cool. Sorry, it's just most people on YT type like dumb elementary school kids; I'm never sure WTF they mean lol I see, you're angry about the company's behavior and relate dates, not the games themselves. That what I was asking. I don't know anything about that, I just think the games kick ass
I agree but I played this shit when it first came out so I've grown use to it. I always did think that she sounded like she was reading her lines off of a page. It's so robotic like you said.
Hmm, if Snake/Big Boss is an American soldier, he does have a political belief. Protecting the (capatalist) republic, the Constitution & Bill of Rights. Simple really, maybe different to other soldiers like Germany or even Russia.
One of the most brilliant and beautiful dialogue exchanges EVER.
a soldier don't question he's mission he only fallow orders a soldier is a soldier
Truly amazing writing.
There's a saying in the Orient: "Loyalty to the end." Do you know what it means?
"Being...patriotic?"
"No, it means we have this sniper called The End and he's a pretty cool guy."
The Boss: There’s a saying in the Orient: “Loyalty to the end.” Do you know what that means?
Naked Snake: Being…Patriotic?
The Boss: It means devoting yourself to your country. There’s no such thing as an absolute enemy. As long as we have “loyalty to the end”, there’s no point in believing in anything…even those we love. The only thing we can believe in with absolute certainty is the mission.
2018
Sunny: Raiden! Are you alright? Why does this kind of thingthing always happen to you? You’ve been a victim of war ever since you were a kid… It’s not right…
Raiden: Not just me, Sunny. It’s you too. Millions of Victims, all over the world… It’s easy to blame it all on guys like Armstrong, but it’s more than that. It’s everyone’s fault… Anyone who goes through life blindly others, following orders, never questioning what they’re told. That’s gotta change. I’m not sure how…
But killing this guy seems like a good first step. We rescued America from the Patriots… I won’t let Armstrong make it a wasteland.
Sunny: Raiden…
Raiden: C’mon, Sunny… Don’t worry. Let me see a smile.
Everyone in the MGS series was trying to act according to what they thought was the Boss's will, but it took Raiden in MGR to realize that the Boss was wrong
@@cleverman383 while I do think The Boss was wrong in her belief that the world should be united under, well, The Illuminati pretty much, the whole "loyalty to the end" is very tongue in check here, since she was ultimately loyal to herself, not following anyone's orders, but trying to accomplish her goal while avoiding nuclear armageddon by sacrificing herself. You can actually read it as entrusting the future to future generations instead of The Philosophers, which is pretty uplifting tbh.
@@francesco3772 The Boss didn't want the world to be united under the Illuminati, that was Zero's misguided interpretation of what she had meant when she had told him that she wanted a world without borders.
The Boss simply wanted a world where everyone respected each other, no matter what country they're from. She didn't literally want a world where countries didn't have borders, she just wanted those borders to no longer mean that you have to hate the people who were on the opposite side. To see others, even those from other countries, religions, races, and ideologies, as fellow humans, not as enemies.
As for "loyalty to the end", she absolutely meant it. She was ultimately loyal to her mission and made the ultimate sacrifice for that loyalty. She willingly and knowingly accepting a suicide mission where she had to pretend to defect, pretend that she was responsible for launching the Davy Crockett nuke, and allow her apprentice to kill her, all because the mission she was given told her to. Loyalty to the mission above all else.
bullshit raiden
@@cleverman383 The Boss was right in her actions but not her beliefs
"How to think like a soldier? I can't teach you that"
*proceeds to teach him how to think like a soldier*
One of my favorite scenes in the whole MGS saga is a radio call. Things only hideo can achieve.
Major Tom: There's one more person I want to introduce you to, Snake. Speaking of snakes, you remember The Boss, don't you? A legendary soldier, and your mentor. Actually it was The Boss who got the DCI's authorization in the first place. She's going to be serving as Fox's mission adviser.
Snake: The Boss is?
Major Tom: She also helped me plan this mission. She and I were at SAS together.
The Boss: Jack, is that you? How many years has it been?
Snake: Boss?
The Boss: That's right, it's me.
Snake: ...
The Boss: Talk to me. Let me hear your voice.
Snake: It's been 5 years 72 days, and 18 hours.
The Boss: You've lost weight.
Snake: You can tell just by the sound of my voice?
The Boss:
Of course I can. I know all about you.
Snake: Really? Well, I don't know anything about you.
The Boss:
What's that supposed to mean?
Snake:
Why'd you disappear on me all of a sudden?
The Boss:
I was on a top secret mission.
Snake: ...
The Boss:
You didn't need me any more.
Snake:
But there were still so many things I wanted you to teach me.
The Boss:
No. I taught you everything you needed to know about fighting techniques. I taught you all I could. The rest you needed to learn on your own.
Snake: Technique sure. But what about how to think like a soldier?
The Boss:
How to think like a soldier? I can't teach you that. A soldier needs to be strong in spirit, body, and technique. And the only thing you can learn from someone else is technique. In fact, technique doesn't even matter. What's most important is spirit. Spirit and body are like two sides of a single coin. They're the same thing. I can't teach you how to think. You'll just have to figure it out for yourself. Listen to me, Jack. Just because soldiers are on the same side right now, doesn't mean they always will be. Having personal feelings about your comrades is one of the worst sins you can commit. Politics determine who you face on the battlefield. And politics are a living thing. They change along with the times. Yesterday's good might be tomorrow's evil.
Snake:
Is that why you abandoned me?
The Boss:
No, I already told you. It had nothing to do with you. I already told you Jack, I was on a top secret mission. A soldier has to follow whatever orders he's given. It's not his place to question why. But you're looking for a reason to fight! You're a natural born fighter, but you're not quite a soldier. A soldier is a political tool - nothing more. That's doubly true if he's a career soldier. Right and wrong have no place in his mission. He has no enemies, and no friends. Only the mission. You follow the orders you're given. That's what being a soldier is.
Snake:
I do what I have to get the job done. I don't think about politics.
The Boss:
That's not the same thing. Sooner or later, your conscience is going to bother you. In the end, you have to choose whether you're going to live as a soldier or just another man with a gun. There's a saying in the Orient, "Loyalty to the End." Do you know what it means?
Snake:
Being... patriotic?
The Boss:
It means devoting yourself to your country.
Snake:
I follow the president and the top brass. I'm ready to die for them, if necessary.
The Boss:
The president and the top brass won't be there forever. Once their terms are up, others will take their place.
Snake:
I follow the will of the leader, no matter who's in charge.
The Boss:
People aren't the ones who dictate the missions.
Snake: The who does?
The Boss:
The times. People's values change over time. And so do the leaders of a country. So there's no such thing as an enemy in absolute terms. The enemies we fight are only enemies in relative terms, constantly changing with the times.
Snake:
...
The Boss: As long as have "Loyalty to the End," there's no point in believing in anything... even those we love.
Snake:
And that's the way a soldier's supposed to think?
The Boss:
The only thing we can believe in with absolute certainty... is the mission, Jack.
Snake:
All right. But do me a favor.
The Boss:
What is it?
Snake:
Call me Snake.
The Boss:
Snake? Oh, right, your code name is Snake. It suits you well.
Major Tom: That's right, the legendary unit that The Boss put together during World War II was a snake. The Cobra Unit... a group of heroes that brought the war to an end and saved the world. As long as you've got a legendary hero backing you up, you'll be fine? Isn't that right, Snake?
Snake:
Yeah, I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have with me. Oh, and one more thing, Boss...
The Boss:
Yes?
Snake: It's good to hear your voice again.
The Boss: Same here. After all, who knows if either of us will make it out alive...
10 Years after Snake Eater
Her innocence was proven when the Mammal Pod A.I. Drowned itself to stop the false Nuclear Transmission. As it sung “Sing” The Boss’ Innocence to the world was proven. The Sorrow was right “The Spirit of the Warrior will always be with you.” Snake let go of his loyalty to her & finally wanted to be called Big Boss.
I'm glad her innocence was proven, I only ever played this game. I was legit sad as a kid seeing how the story ended with her going down in history as a traitor, and I never forgot how and why Snake walked away. This game changed my life lolz
@@justsomeguy3931 MGS PW Is my fav MGS game love it or hate it it's damn good stuff :D
@@justsomeguy3931 it’s my favorite game of all time, I get it I just looked up this scene because It hit me hard, I’ve played this game countless times and this is my first time actually listening through this codec call, and where I am in my life it made me think about what I want to do and what I want out of it changing my perspective on what it means to be a soldier/warrior
It’s been 5 years, 72 days and 18 hours..
Soldier = people/us, mission = goal/plan. What shes trying to say to us is being loyal to our goals/plans.
I love this scene so much.
i felt pain once he said call me snake
Why?
@@justsomeguy3931 I can't speak on his behalf, but if I had to make a guess it's a very subtle transition that indicates the distance between Snake and The Boss. After her spiel about allegiance to the mission and disavowal of personal attachment, it is almost as if Snake tries to sever the connection between him and the Boss, even if that connection has meant everything to him. The Boss' whole speech in general is ultimately preparation for the final part of Snake's mission at the end of the game, and this is but the first step
I can’t get over this call..
I wish Kojima make games about The Boss storyline about her "Top Secret Mission"
Franchise over? I think not...
@@justsomeguy3931 konami is trash it's been long since no mgs I'll wonder too dead or not?
@@trooperodst6880 Trash? Because they don't release games often, or you don't like them? Your grammer makes understanding you difficult to impossible...
@@justsomeguy3931 I am russian whatever Mr.English teacher I really miss MGS that's my problem KONAMI GREEDY BASTARDS
@@trooperodst6880 History teacher if anything :) OK, if English isn't your first language, then it makes total sense you'd type like that - 100% cool. Sorry, it's just most people on YT type like dumb elementary school kids; I'm never sure WTF they mean lol
I see, you're angry about the company's behavior and relate dates, not the games themselves. That what I was asking. I don't know anything about that, I just think the games kick ass
After playing the game a second time, this hits hard.
You have to choose if you want to be a soldier or just a man with a gun.
That great line
I workout to codec calls
Very Patrick Bateman
@@bangkokinc.4233 I have had relations while looking at the mirror flexing and posing
Sigma grindset🔥
Oh how relevant it stayed
MGS3 always opens a can of emotions for me.
That's define the thinking the Brazilians need to think: "Yesterday's good can be the tomorrow's evil".
I am at least 1000 of these views. I love The Boss.
Im fucking crying whenever i watch this
disloyalty to the end
“You’ve lost weight.”
Biggest disappointment in this series is we never got to see Husky Snake.
this game, man...
we need that music
ua-cam.com/video/0ZyXvK6gW2E/v-deo.html
Closest I could find to it, Jose Mellinas - Metal Gear Solid 3 OST The Boss Theme (Unreleased Track)
Snake Pliskin thank you
@@dbzfalcon07 Sadly it's gone now ;-;
If you still want it ua-cam.com/video/w_yCeblDTQY/v-deo.html
@@jorjavggg thanks
Why does this hurt so much.
instead of a game focusing on the boss metal gear survive is how it ends......depressing.
mommy
Anyone know the piano theme playing around 0:40?
Been trying to find it for a long time. If I ever come across it, I'll let you know
@@dbzfalcon07 I see some mention Jose Mellinas and he has some cut content. Not this one unfortunately
@@vivaladokky I don't have twitter, but maybe you could try asking Harry Gregson-Williams if that track exists for release. Or Konami?
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i feel like they could have gotten a better voice actor for the boss...she seems a bit robotic for this kind of writing
I love it. Idk sounds just right. Stern even. Soothing yet stern
I agree but I played this shit when it first came out so I've grown use to it. I always did think that she sounded like she was reading her lines off of a page. It's so robotic like you said.
@@watchtowerreviewz7978 hen David starts talking about guns he sounds like he’s reading a catalog lol
Yes but that was her character. She was battle harden and emotionless. But I agree a bit robotic.
I like the voice though :( she sounds like a person who reads
Hmm, if Snake/Big Boss is an American soldier, he does have a political belief. Protecting the (capatalist) republic, the Constitution & Bill of Rights. Simple really, maybe different to other soldiers like Germany or even Russia.
She spewed a bunch of philosophical cringe garbage that barely makes sense.
Have you ever considered that you're just an idiot?
Just like big boss you didn t understand those words. It takes time..