This stuff often comes from corporate. There are multiple parks with Timber's named rides..Wonderland, Kings Island, Kings Dominion. CF is into the lumber/wood mills themes with wonderland getting a ride called Lumberjack after getting soaring timbers they year before, The Beast also has a lumber theme.
Grobble Actually, The Beast has a mine theme. The minecart near the lift has a sign over it saying "Beast Canyon Mine Co." It makes me question why it wasn't factored into the Mystic Timbers story...
That inversion/turn-around section I believe is called a "Cutback". Arrow put an inversion like that on the short lived Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg. Kinda cool to see that inversion coming back, and on a much smoother coaster.
I got to ride Lightening Rod twice on Monday :) It started the day down for maintenance but opened after about 10 minutes. Most of the people in line in front of us got out of line so we were on the first train of the day.
I am glad to say I have an rmc at my home park now! Also kings dominion has one of the best coaster collections in the world now because they have a great floorless, freakin intimidator 305, an inverted coaster that launches you out of a volcano, and an awesome rmc!
Guys, editing/uploading these videos take a lot of time. You all need to have more respect for the dude. I've noticed a lot of you are asking "where's this and where's that", "hurry up with this & hurry up with that". Have patience. There's no need for you guys to try and rush him about uploading videos. We all love his videos and analysis, I understand that, but it's a little disrespectful and it comes off very unappreciative when you say some of the things you guys say to him.
5:10 It's called cutback inversion. It's been used on a few Gerslauter rides and utilized on compact coasters, but this is the first time it's been used on a hybrid/woodie.
Twisted Timbers ROCKS 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻!!! Rode it seven times now too. The one thing I wish they kept was the handle sticks to hold onto all the time. Last July when I was there they changed them to leather handle bars. I like the handle sticks better than the bars
Steel Vengeance has a longer track length than Mean Streak as well. It makes sense because they both follow the exact layout of their original counterparts from start to finish, plus they're both obviously higher than the originals.
I think this looks better than Steel Vengeance! I love the theme, I love the drop, I love those trains, and I LOVE that trick track double up. That was one of the craziest parts of Storm Chaser.
"Unfortunately though the one thing that comes to mind when reading that was that it sounds pretty dang similar to mystic timbers" EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. But hey, I think it's still gonna be a great edition to our home park :)
That weird inversion/overbank is actually a cutback, its 2 half corkscrews glued together, it was first used on drachen fire at busch gardens williamsburg
I wonder if I can get on this ride next year on a coaster trip. This is one of the coaster I'm more hyped for because this is a ride I might be able to go on next year on my coaster trip with my family.
Extra length usually comes from taller hills and more difference between the highest and lowest points of the ride. Like Steel Vengeance, it sticks almost exactly to the pre-RMC layout on a 2D scale, but there is a lot more profound highest and lowest points. For example, a stretch of track that travels 500ft horizontally and has no hills at all is 500ft of track. If it has a ton of crazy airtime hills going from the ground level to high up along it, it could be 600, 700 ft. or even longer in track.
Those triple airtime hills back to back to back were pretty much heaven...my only complaint about this ride would be those two bunny hops immediately before and after the first overbank. They just felt off and were a bit painful as they slammed me into the left side of the car.
The turn inversion looks similar to the inversion in Space Mountain at DLP, they call it a tounge, however it's also similar to the cutback inversion from Drachenfire
I may be wrong, but thanks to my extensive gameplay of planet coaster, that inversion which you identified in the video appears to be a cutback, which is basically a corkscrew, and an opposite sided exit to a normal corkscrew. Think hammerhead turn except way smaller and more spread out.
because I went to the Twisted Timbers announcement and have KD as my home park, so it automatically has priority. That was my last Twisted Timbers video, the rest are coming soon.
Excuse me, I've been working non stop for the past day trying to get out as many of these videos as possible. You can be patient. Your life isn't depending on me putting out a single video. I will get it out to you when I can.
You will see something like that inversion at 5:31 if you make a reaction video to a coaster I am creating in March. I put two or maybe three in of those inversions in that coaster. It is awesome. Video coming soon on that coaster. Please react to it. That element is called a cutback.
Great video Taylor! I agree that you shouldn't really compare twisted timbers to Steel vengeance because they are not really the same at all, As Taylor said Steel Vengeance is twice the size of Twisted timbers. They are also two different completely different layouts and I feel that Steel Vengeance has a lot more space for Elements then Twisted timbers but for what Kings Dominion could fit I say they did amazing. Again great video Taylor. (Kings Dominion and Busch Gardens home parks woo) I also hope Busch gardens keeps adding new Coasters with this two/One year apart adding rollercoasters with Tempesto then InvadR
That inversion isn't the only one of its kind. It's called a cut back and they can be found on most Euro Fighters and it was on Dragon Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg.
Well its the only one of its kind on a hybrid. And I don't know if I'd call the ones on a Euro-Fighter a true cutback. IMO those don't take you upside down. This one definitely does.
I already love KD more than my own home park (which happens to be Carowinds) and this just makes me love it even more!! I'm super saddened the info got leaked out last week, so it sort of ruined the surprise for the name, but the rendering of the real coaster looks SO FREAKING GOOD! I hope they do some extra theming and not leave it so bare (I mean, let's be honest, the only truly themed coasters at KD are Volcano, Flight of Fear, Backlot Stunt, and I305 if you count the entire area itself). I hope those headlights on the trains actually work at night too! That would be great touch of detail. Love the analysis bro!
Kings dominion used to be owned by paramount.. Im assuming Carowinds was too since they have the hurler.. So most of the rides at some point had themes but were stripped when cedar fair took over.
I wouldn't mind seeing Carowinds get either a GCI or a RMC Topper Track coaster. They need to get a wooden coaster to make up for tearing down Thunder Road.
Taylor, this is not about twisted timbers, but the two raptors. I am a six flags boy. Six flags just announced theirs raptor in fiesta Texas before all of the other parks so they can have the first one, so cedar fair didnt get the first one
Somethin I never liked about a coaster, is if all the turns go to one direction. in this case they go all to the right, it would have been nice to see it go diagonal after the first floater/ejector hill and then make the layout a bit more compact out and bake similar to a coaster like blue streak as layout then to have this huge space in the middle and have the coaster only make turns to the right.
This is the 55mph variety of RMC in the USA. This one will be the longest and probably be at the top of this sub category. Twisted Timbers (KD) Storm Chaser (KK) The Joker (SFDK) Wicked Cyclone (SFNE)
That overbank is gonna be like storm chaser's inversion/overbank ..... just not held as long. Also hopefully this one actually keeps the planned outward banked turn, unlike.. again.. storm chaser
Keep in mind that the locals here in Virginia have no idea that kings island even exists so to them the back story behind twisted timbers doesn't matter that much. I think they did a pretty good job with it.
Nathan Weaver Huh? I wouldn't call myself a CP fanboy, just saying that both RMCs are longer than the original wooden coasters they use to be. What's so triggering about that? I think that both coasters will be great.
I'm not new to roller coasters, but I am new to the terminology. What is a trick track double up? I'm not understanding that part, but this ride is looking like it'll be amazing! I'm planning to take 2 weeks to see Cedar Point, KD, and Carowinds next summer. I can't wait!
str8edgeskater the reason why it's called a trick track double up is because the track does a lot of crazy tricks AKA elements and sometimes those elements include double ups.
Wrong-A trick track is when a track banks quickly without turning, and a double up is two half upward airtime hills in quick succession, so they mixed em' together and got this.
Kings dominion: "Can I copy off your homework?"
Kings Island: "Yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious."
This stuff often comes from corporate. There are multiple parks with Timber's named rides..Wonderland, Kings Island, Kings Dominion. CF is into the lumber/wood mills themes with wonderland getting a ride called Lumberjack after getting soaring timbers they year before, The Beast also has a lumber theme.
Well, they are sister parks...
Grobble Actually, The Beast has a mine theme. The minecart near the lift has a sign over it saying "Beast Canyon Mine Co."
It makes me question why it wasn't factored into the Mystic Timbers story...
GabrielROnline so true
Lol
3:39 - "Our closest RMC is going to be Lightning Rod, and that's rarely open." Dang! BURNED!
Your analysis was perfect. You are the best on UA-cam by far
Riding just for the trick track double up
When your mom finds your messy room
Mom:what happened here
Me: A trick track double up!
NICE😂👍
Weak ass joke
"Heck to the nahhhh"
- Coaster Studios 2017
Max Jonak Pretty sure I’ve heard that before.
When he said "Aww Man!" after that the first thing that came to my mind was the Creeper Aw man meme
The turn after the trick track double up should have been a tip out corner, but only after a corked roll
At 5:10 it's a cutback inversion. Sky Rocket at kennywood has one
I have to admit, Mystic Timbers did inspire me for another theme for my RTC3 park, so I love these type of themes
This was my first rmc and I loved it and the three airtime hills were just so good
Can't wait to drive down there in the spring and ride it all day
This will be my very first RMC! I'm so excited for it
There are Cutbacks on the new RMC raptors
yes, but this is the only one on a hybrid
Sky Rocket and Rock Bottom Plunge have them too
Coasterfan3657 There are 3 rides with cutbacks ( or 4 ) it's still cool.
Coaster Studios - yeah but you said nothing like you've ever seen, so he's got you there
Steel Vengeance's second inversion is a cutback...
that 2nd inversion is known as a cutback the first coaster to have it was drachen fire at bush gardens willimsburg
Can't wait!! This is going to be great! About time Kings Dominion got a new fantastic ride!
That inversion/turn-around section I believe is called a "Cutback". Arrow put an inversion like that on the short lived Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg. Kinda cool to see that inversion coming back, and on a much smoother coaster.
I got to ride Lightening Rod twice on Monday :) It started the day down for maintenance but opened after about 10 minutes. Most of the people in line in front of us got out of line so we were on the first train of the day.
I am glad to say I have an rmc at my home park now! Also kings dominion has one of the best coaster collections in the world now because they have a great floorless, freakin intimidator 305, an inverted coaster that launches you out of a volcano, and an awesome rmc!
Guys, editing/uploading these videos take a lot of time. You all need to have more respect for the dude. I've noticed a lot of you are asking "where's this and where's that", "hurry up with this & hurry up with that". Have patience. There's no need for you guys to try and rush him about uploading videos. We all love his videos and analysis, I understand that, but it's a little disrespectful and it comes off very unappreciative when you say some of the things you guys say to him.
That inverting turn will also be found on both of the RMC raptors to open in 2018!
it's cool to look back at this video after it's been released for about 3-4 years now
I'm so excited to finally have an RMC at one of my home parks! I've never been on one so I am definitely going out to the park next year to ride it
Great video Taylor I can't wait to go to Kings Dominion next year to ride this and to attend winterfest
Great analysis video! I did not notice the trick track double-up element on Twisted Timbers. Can't wait for your thoughts on Steel Vengeance!
The inverting turnaround is also being featured in both the raptor track coasters but they aren't open yet either so that's pretty cool
I'm looking forward to this new ride in the park!
I really enjoyed the hurler during the couple of times I went to kings dominion, so this will be great.
5:10 It's called cutback inversion. It's been used on a few Gerslauter rides and utilized on compact coasters, but this is the first time it's been used on a hybrid/woodie.
Infinite Inferno u sound hurt lmao
Twisted Timbers ROCKS 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻!!! Rode it seven times now too. The one thing I wish they kept was the handle sticks to hold onto all the time. Last July when I was there they changed them to leather handle bars. I like the handle sticks better than the bars
That Turnaround/Inversion is called a Cut-Back, First installed on Drachen-Fire at Busch Gardens: Williamsburg by Arrow Dynamics
Steel Vengeance has a longer track length than Mean Streak as well. It makes sense because they both follow the exact layout of their original counterparts from start to finish, plus they're both obviously higher than the originals.
the inversion you were talking about is called a cutback, it was on drachen fire at busch gardens williamsburg
The first inversion on this looks very similar to the one that was on - Drachenfire, at Busch Gardens.
Looks great!
I can't wait for twisted timbers to come out to the public. It will be my first RMC roller coaster.
OMG THAT LOOKS SOOO FUN CANT WAIT TO GO THIS WEEK!! 😁😁😁
That Inverted Over-Bank is called a Cutback. It is also on the RMC Raptor clone layout
I think this looks better than Steel Vengeance! I love the theme, I love the drop, I love those trains, and I LOVE that trick track double up. That was one of the craziest parts of Storm Chaser.
Everytime you said "twisted" i was expecting you to also say "colossus" but when you said "timbers" it tripped me up for a sec lol
"Unfortunately though the one thing that comes to mind when reading that was that it sounds pretty dang similar to mystic timbers" EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. But hey, I think it's still gonna be a great edition to our home park :)
This ride was sooooooo awesome!!!
That weird inversion/overbank is actually a cutback, its 2 half corkscrews glued together, it was first used on drachen fire at busch gardens williamsburg
this video was so good!! probably your best video in awhile,good job!
I wonder if I can get on this ride next year on a coaster trip. This is one of the coaster I'm more hyped for because this is a ride I might be able to go on next year on my coaster trip with my family.
Fun fact: Drachen Fire at BGW was the first coaster to have a cutback element. Cool to see an Arrow Dynamics inversion used on hybrid RMC
Lol the RCT S-bend. Thank God it existed. Never thought ill see the day i would see it in real life
This is already gonna be a great coaster!!!
Extra length usually comes from taller hills and more difference between the highest and lowest points of the ride. Like Steel Vengeance, it sticks almost exactly to the pre-RMC layout on a 2D scale, but there is a lot more profound highest and lowest points.
For example, a stretch of track that travels 500ft horizontally and has no hills at all is 500ft of track. If it has a ton of crazy airtime hills going from the ground level to high up along it, it could be 600, 700 ft. or even longer in track.
This ride is so original!
Those triple airtime hills back to back to back were pretty much heaven...my only complaint about this ride would be those two bunny hops immediately before and after the first overbank. They just felt off and were a bit painful as they slammed me into the left side of the car.
Can't wait for this coaster
Looks fantastic
The turn inversion looks similar to the inversion in Space Mountain at DLP, they call it a tounge, however it's also similar to the cutback inversion from Drachenfire
this is a really great ride
5:10
It’s called a cutback 👍
i love how excited he is about the friggin double up
"The difference is that they threw in some apples"
- Taylor, 2017
They designed it in roller coaster tycoon
NCH that s bend
The gosh dang S bend
No that’s storm chaser
I can't wait I'm going to ride steel vengeance,twisted timbers and rmc Georgia cyclone oh and outlaw run but I'm going there for the time traveler
The term for the second inversion is a "cutback". It's on a bunch of coasters, though usually not this banked.
Who doesn't love coster Studios
YES THANK YOU FOR THE ANALYSIS VIRGINIANS HYPED
The inversion you're describing is a cutback, seen on Sky Rocket, Drachen Fire, Wonder Woman, and Railblazer.
I may be wrong, but thanks to my extensive gameplay of planet coaster, that inversion which you identified in the video appears to be a cutback, which is basically a corkscrew, and an opposite sided exit to a normal corkscrew. Think hammerhead turn except way smaller and more spread out.
Why have you done like 5 videos for twisted timbers and none for steel vengeance?
because I went to the Twisted Timbers announcement and have KD as my home park, so it automatically has priority. That was my last Twisted Timbers video, the rest are coming soon.
Hurry up, we want your thoughts on that Vengeance of the steel variety, man :)
Excuse me, I've been working non stop for the past day trying to get out as many of these videos as possible. You can be patient. Your life isn't depending on me putting out a single video. I will get it out to you when I can.
I'm just yanking your chain. I know you work hard pumping these out. I'm a patient boy.
TheGenericZer0 You got roasted tho
The Over-Overbanked turn is a Cutback, also going to Railblazer and Wonder Woman Golden Lasso Coaster
Heck to the na😂😂😂!Great job josh from KD!
Hey coaster studios kings Dominion is my home park too u gonna be there on opening day
You will see something like that inversion at 5:31 if you make a reaction video to a coaster I am creating in March. I put two or maybe three in of those inversions in that coaster. It is awesome. Video coming soon on that coaster. Please react to it. That element is called a cutback.
Great video Taylor! I agree that you shouldn't really compare twisted timbers to Steel vengeance because they are not really the same at all, As Taylor said Steel Vengeance is twice the size of Twisted timbers. They are also two different completely different layouts and I feel that Steel Vengeance has a lot more space for Elements then Twisted timbers but for what Kings Dominion could fit I say they did amazing. Again great video Taylor. (Kings Dominion and Busch Gardens home parks woo) I also hope Busch gardens keeps adding new Coasters with this two/One year apart adding rollercoasters with Tempesto then InvadR
When knotts berry farm announced hangtime I was like that's exactly the name you guessed!
Twisted Timbers and Steel Vengeance will definitely go to the top on the Golden Ticket Awards
I believe that new element is called, a "Cutback"
End they are found on El Loco coasters
Steel Vengeance is the only other RMC Hybrid treatment that grew by a couple hundred feet rather than shrinking. I love it.
That inversion isn't the only one of its kind. It's called a cut back and they can be found on most Euro Fighters and it was on Dragon Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg.
Well its the only one of its kind on a hybrid. And I don't know if I'd call the ones on a Euro-Fighter a true cutback. IMO those don't take you upside down. This one definitely does.
I really hope cedar fair does this make over on the hurler at carowinds. That would be epic.
I must admit Twisted Timbers looks awsome.
FINALLY! AN RMC IN MY RANGE!
Looks better than Twisted Cyclone.
I went on Twisted Timbers it was hella fun
Steel Vengeance beat out Mean Streak's old length
The teasers would make sense if the T in Timbers were upside down
I'm surprised one of the T's isn't upside down too
M&MGuy - they're confused anyway, they *are* the GP after all
I thought about that track as well. I see all the small things.
I already love KD more than my own home park (which happens to be Carowinds) and this just makes me love it even more!! I'm super saddened the info got leaked out last week, so it sort of ruined the surprise for the name, but the rendering of the real coaster looks SO FREAKING GOOD! I hope they do some extra theming and not leave it so bare (I mean, let's be honest, the only truly themed coasters at KD are Volcano, Flight of Fear, Backlot Stunt, and I305 if you count the entire area itself). I hope those headlights on the trains actually work at night too! That would be great touch of detail. Love the analysis bro!
Kings dominion used to be owned by paramount.. Im assuming Carowinds was too since they have the hurler.. So most of the rides at some point had themes but were stripped when cedar fair took over.
Please tell me they're gonna do this to Carowinds' Hurler too! Not the same design, but still an RMC.
I don't think Carowinds' Hurler is going anywhere
I wouldn't mind seeing Carowinds get either a GCI or a RMC Topper Track coaster. They need to get a wooden coaster to make up for tearing down Thunder Road.
Steel Vengeance is over 300 feet longer than MS, but still, it's great that CF isn't killing the length like Six Flags did with everything but TC
What do u think on valleyfair getting a super Loop? Lol
Pro Gamer_21 I laughed
Excellent job as usual !
Airtime moments: well they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming...
Great review I totally agree
Taylor, this is not about twisted timbers, but the two raptors. I am a six flags boy. Six flags just announced theirs raptor in fiesta Texas before all of the other parks so they can have the first one, so cedar fair didnt get the first one
Somethin I never liked about a coaster, is if all the turns go to one direction. in this case they go all to the right, it would have been nice to see it go diagonal after the first floater/ejector hill and then make the layout a bit more compact out and bake similar to a coaster like blue streak as layout then to have this huge space in the middle and have the coaster only make turns to the right.
This is the 55mph variety of RMC in the USA. This one will be the longest and probably be at the top of this sub category.
Twisted Timbers (KD)
Storm Chaser (KK)
The Joker (SFDK)
Wicked Cyclone (SFNE)
@5:11, I believe Outlaw Run has an inversion like this right after its first drop.
Matthew Miller it has something like it but it doesn't really turn and doesn't flip you 180 degrees
Like, don’t compare Twisted cyclone to steel vengeance, and no one does that!! I’m so hyped for all the new coasters in different ways!
That overbank is gonna be like storm chaser's inversion/overbank ..... just not held as long.
Also hopefully this one actually keeps the planned outward banked turn, unlike.. again.. storm chaser
Keep in mind that the locals here in Virginia have no idea that kings island even exists so to them the back story behind twisted timbers doesn't matter that much. I think they did a pretty good job with it.
Don't forget that Steel Vengence is longer than the Mean Streak also (with the Hurler to Twisted Timbers transformation) .
overbanked "really I didn't know"
All these Cedar Point fanboys get me triggered
Nathan Weaver Huh? I wouldn't call myself a CP fanboy, just saying that both RMCs are longer than the original wooden coasters they use to be. What's so triggering about that? I think that both coasters will be great.
When will you be going to Six Flags Great Adventure?
I don't have any current plans for when I'll return
Coaster Studios ok
I'm not new to roller coasters, but I am new to the terminology. What is a trick track double up? I'm not understanding that part, but this ride is looking like it'll be amazing! I'm planning to take 2 weeks to see Cedar Point, KD, and Carowinds next summer. I can't wait!
str8edgeskater the reason why it's called a trick track double up is because the track does a lot of crazy tricks AKA elements and sometimes those elements include double ups.
Wrong-A trick track is when a track banks quickly without turning, and a double up is two half upward airtime hills in quick succession, so they mixed em' together and got this.
WAIT A SECOND!
Where's the tip out corner and the corcked roll?
lol