The problem with newer 4 stars is that their full potential is locked behind constellations, sara, faruzan, gorou, mika, kaveh, yunjin etc. these characters at c0 tend to feel very underwhelming and uncomfortable to play at c0, but with their constellations they’re actually incredible units who are as op as bennet in specific circumstances
@@yahia5476 well, circle impact plus doesn't buff unless heal capped, which means he doesn't buff at all against corruption or with furina on the team, and when he does, it's 20% less buff. it makes him a LOT worse and kinda not worth it in the current meta. c1 is a must-have for him.
I love how little direct powercreep there’s been so far. I can build my favorite characters without worry of them eventually being useless! They did twist my arm to pull for Neuvilette though, his strength is ridiculous!
let's hope it stays that way! Or more importantly, just that no characters become **truly** obsolete due to ambient powercreep! 🙏 I love neuvillette a lot, but because I'm such a contrarian the fact that he's SO powerful makes him feel a tiny bit more boring compared to many of my other faves, despite the fact that his playstyle itself is so much fun 😅
I think Neuvilette is a new type of unit they're going to start pushing from now onwards most players pull for the Archons and Archons are usually the best at what they do or pretty close to it but they're not intended to be a "Main DPS" even Raiden who is an excellent one at C0 and one of the if not the best Hypercarrys in the game at C2 has more support based constellations going forward so if Archons are the units that they're going to make the "ultimate supports" per say then maybe Dragon Sovereigns will be the ultimate Main DPS characters I just hope that even if they go this route they don't make any character a true must or forced pull for all accounts since Freedom to play as who you like is more important than anything else imo
It's funny how powercreeps happen often in Games like pgr. Compared to Pgr,Genshin characters have a lot of longevity. But this is the first time any new character swept through all main dps characters, Neuvillete is the only character that can literally solo Abyss floors.
@@saurusnessI don't necessarily believe Neuvillette is powercreep persay it's just that as you can see most of the most powerful characters lorewise are also powerful in gameplay i fully expect archons and dragons to outclass all other characters in gameplay and Neuvillette is the most powerful character we have yet to meet in the game lorewise so it correlates
I think the most obvious way they can avoid power creep is to make different endgame modes and this also applies to combat events. It's all time trials so certain attributes dominate the meta, it's the reason healers and defensive characters get so much hate, because after a certain point, the only content hard enough to need optimizing, are timed DPS checks. If we had survival modes, boss rushes or other modes that had no time limit but had other win conditions or required different team comps, it would leave much more design space so there would be far less of a push to make characters that do the same thing but better in the few areas that matter most in Spiral Abyss.
I'd love to see a roguelike mode in Genshin beyond simple stat increases. Like have items that give an atk bonus based on your attack speed, or make geo shards deal damage when picked up.
@@ultrite2696 That would be cool. I could see something similar, kind of like Simulated Universe where you can get different effects like that as you move ahead. Honestly though, I at least just want a mode with no timers, just give me anything else.
I disagree. Neuvilette is so powerful he can fit into any team. There is not a single team Neuvilette cant replace Ayato in (excluding Yunjin and Candace). Burgeon, vaporise, huperbloom, Taser(aka hyper), Nilou Bloom and even freeze.
I have been Ayato main since his release and bruh he is so much weaker than neuvillete it's just sad for me (i have C2 Jean and C6 Yunjin for his Bis Team)
I agree, the point here is not the level of power but the hole it gets in the party, what they say that Neuvillette can be in any team means he can ignore the rest of the team and do his thing alone because he is so powerful but he can't drive a comp like Ayato does, Yunjin don't work with Neuvillete but work great with Ayato, Neuvillete can't prock Beidou's Ult because he focus more in his powerfull charged atk, Ayato can. Ayato's Ultimate is great for freeze teams and have the quadratic scale like Ganyu's so having great synergy, Neuvillette in such teams is a waste of time since he will be on field most of the time doing his dmg so the rest of the team doesn't matter... again, to me, they just have a complete different holes
@@cesarignjas Ayato is not driving yunjin. Driving means activating off field abilities in a supportive manner. Yunjin just buffs but it is meaningless because Neuvilette still does more damage. Neuvilette does drive Beidou and probably is the best driver for Beidou as Stormbreaker activates with charged attack. I do not understand what you mean by Neuvilette being a *waste of time* in freeze teams 1. What do you mean waste of time? You can swap him out anytime you want. Rosaria, Kazuha, Shenhe and Neuvilette make a fantastic freeze team. His field time could be 6 seconds or 15. Also eating the field time of other characters is not a bad thing when you compensate it with enough damage 2. Neuvilette has one of the best aoe capabilities in the game far surpassing Ayato. Quadratic scaling is great but Ayatos Burst does not have the multipliers to take advantage of it. Before Neuvilette, Childe was our low base damage and niche but powerful enabler who had a lot of hydro while Ayato was the flexible but weaker enabler with less hydro. The problem is although Neuvilette can not replace Childe completely because he application is weak he can and does replace Ayato as he is Ayato but x2 the damage. Your comment has a lot of false info on it and I respectfully disagree.
Ayato can have more consistent hydro application in aoe and is a much better driver for teams like burgeon especially because his hydro application off field
i honestly really hate the reverse powercreep that happens to alot of new 4*s. ive gottten to the point where i just dont expect anything good of those character releases, because i know that they will most likely be either underwhelming, or just mid. it sucks and makes those charas feel like theyre being released just for the sake of having some characters released (imho). it just feels like they are missing something??
Yeah, with those 4 stars that I like, I build them enough to use them in the overworld so I can enjoy their playstyle, which works fine enough for me since I have a plethora of well built characters to choose from for tougher content, but newer players haven't yet built up the library of characters and equipment. It really does feel like some characters get released just for the sake of adding something new to the banners for people to pull... For example I love Lynette, and while she works great if you don't have other swirlers, and her playstyle is unique and fun, she doesn't even remotely compare to someone like sucrose since there's no CC at c0, and only minimal CC at c1😔
i think with neuvillette, hoyo is simply experimenting with the hypercarry playstyle, and just haven't figured out their specific formula for it. we saw similar experiments with Lyney (mono pyro) and Freminet (unga bunga physical), actually, so it could be that they're still fine-tuning the mechanics and went a little overboard with the otter man.
It's definitely possible! Sometimes I think the slight spikes in character power are simply a slight tuning error that got overlooked, and now the character's out and there's not much they can do since nerfing them would cause a riot 😎
i think it's more an issue of neuvillette being made to booster furina. if his sphere things did not heal him, or at least healed him a LOT less, he'd be balanced. but they wanted him to help furina gets stacks easy and ended up with a character that's too independent.
I feel like Neuvillette simply received special treatment. They made an amazing design, amazing story, made him a dragon which are basically equal to Archon’s, it’d just feel wrong for him to be “weak”… so it was inevitable for him to be good.
@@Kaiji... probably. neuvillette is kinda bonkers. the main issue with him is that hydro has the most mobs that are immune to it, and most shields don't take reaction damage from hydro, so he is far from universal on his own in a hyper party. but then again, just make another type of party, he is still broken as a driver
I thought this video was very accurate In general I think mihoyo is powercreeping more in terms of characters smoothness and ease of use than actual dps ceiling. I do theorycrafting videos so I constantly monitor these numbers, and for example while neuvillette isn't head and shoulders above others in that sense, he does feel better than many characters just because of how easy it is for him to reach that dps ceiling in real play, and also how guaranteed his aoe feels. I think we had something like this with a character such as wanderer too, which in my opinion kinda powercrept yoimiya in terms of ease of use: both ranged left click spammers, but wanderer has better range, aoe and mobility ( this makes him feel better without a shielder than yoimiya ). Hoyoverse has its own metrics to determine character strenght and I'm sure this ease of use, which contributes to how good a character is for the average/casual player, is a big part of their kit designs
Yes exactly! The easiest way I think to notice such things is when comparing f2p versions of each character; since Neuvi can utilise Marechaussee to the max and ascends with crit damage that makes building crit incredibly easy. His BiS f2p weapon is fantastic for him, which is somewhat rare I'd say for DPS characters. I think all of that is something people overlook when comparing character "strength". Likewise, while Xingqiu has the potential for great damage, it's simply so much easier to build the stats and achieve similar or better results with Yelan!
I never really realized how easier it is for me to use wanderer compared to yoimiya since i have both of them (but also tbf i have wanderer at like around 200% crit dmg and yoimiya is around 140% lol)
I don't think neuvillette is a one-off. he's more of a trend of one region having a single dps unit of special note. He is what xiao was supposed to be to zhongli, what Alhaitham is to nahida, what raiden shogun herself is, what diluc once was. Each region gets to have a strong support (usually an archon now) and a strong DPS by default, and they're usually important in the story.
Neuvillette is ridiculously powerful for sure, and super fun to play... but yeah hopefully the video is right and he won't be the start of a powercreep trend!
@@tehCostHDwell... not really. While damage wise they are equal, Neuvilette has an easier time, is easier to build, and has self sustain. While numbers are close, Neuvilette is definetely a better version of Hydro carries. Its not even close.
@@nakfyre9512 and ayato works better as an enabler. They both do different things better than each other. Further proving my point that there is no power creep going on here
@@nakfyre9512 and ayato can also run many different teams like freeze with ganyu and venti, or mono hydro with xinqiu and yelan and kazuha/jean they both are fantastic characters that any account would be great to have
Genshin is powercreeping pretty much since the beginning, I'd say about four times in a year there's a new thing released that shifts damage ceiling up. Out of more notable ones, Zhongli, Hu Tao, Yelan, Dendro as a whole, they all moved the cap quite a lot. But the thing is that actual difficulty bar did not move by far that much. And with it I account even for the hardest Abyss cycles we had so far that occurred during 3.x. Many were complaining but in the end many have beaten it using old characters, just used in creative arrangements. Poeple who have fun beating Abyss using 4-star characters with 4-star weapons have yet to have their streak interrupted. And overworld is as easy as ever, I have just seen a video of someone exploring Fontaine using level 20 characters. Which is in fact great. There's a lot of Genshin except the Abyss and for significant part of players Abyss does not even exist. Such people have zero need to get stronger characters to "succeed", they get them for all other reasons. Note Hoyo never showcases character strength in their demos. They showcase their design, their personality, their animations and effects. They're selling eye candy and experience, not DPS. The powercreep is there just for those for who it matters, those who measure beauty in damage per second. Note on your closing remarks: Abyss will always be a DPS check. The kind of check may change over time as it did in the past, i.e. elemental application check, burst damage check, sustained damage check and so on but it will always be a DPS check. That's the purpose of Abyss. For other challenges, there's exploration and limited time events.
yess, like I said, the one that *actually* determines whether or not characters remain viable is ambient powercreep - it don't matter is new characters are OP, as long as content doesn't get to the point where you can *only* clearly it with them (and it hasn't yet). Also I actually like the abyss, I wasn't calling for the abyss itself to be changed (I perhaps should've rephrased that) - what I would like to see more of is something a little more akin to simulated universe in HSR; a combination of fights, perhaps puzzles, maybe skill checks? Something that would perhaps make you use specific types of characters, or reward you for having certain abilities (such as good aim or good dodging).... How that could be accommodated for people of all platforms, I'm not sure, since I believe these sorts of moves on mobile devices can be really difficult :/ We've had many events in the past that have featured stuff that I think could be such a great permanent addition to the game.
Something to note: Yelan actually does about the same damage as Xingqiu as a solo unit (she does more damage than Xingqiu when they're paired together because Xingqiu makes up for some of her energy while providing hydro resonance and resistance shred via constellations). This is mostly due to her worse particle generation in teams with inflexible on-fielders (like hu tao, cyno, or yoimiya). In addition, Ayato still provides better hydro application (in addition to off-field presence) that Neuvillette does not (though this difference doesn't mean much for most people who don't care that much about combat). In general, though, I agree with your points! Especially on ambient powercreep, it's definitely something noticeable, especially after the release of dendro.
Xingqiu needs cons to keep up with Yelan though, and a C6 4* is harder to get than a C0 5*. I assume you have C6 Xingqiu which is why you say that but the majority of people doesn't. I, for example, have only a C2 XQ.
@@EddyConejo I'd honestly argue that c6 xingqiu is more common than c0 yelan. He's a day-1 4*. This is on top of the fact that he's available in the shop, which makes cons even more accessible.
@@effienehs649 the majority of players aren't day 1 players though, and many players who played then aren't playing now. You shouldn't consider yourself the standard.
Imo the ONLY bad powercreep comes when you NEED new characters because your old characters don't have enough damage to go through some content. Genshin is doing great so far dealing with this since, as far as i know, you can do any content with any given character, which is great. Nice vid 😊
Doing great by adding zero content? Even then the latest Abyss HP check was 4.5 million. That's a big DPS check, and it's only going to go up from there.
If you are an older player then sure, powercreep doesn't matter for now. But for newer players? Powercreep started to get noticable and slowly killing the game for me. I feel like it is going to get worse from here.
There is a clear power difference between Ayato and Neuvillette. Sadly a lot of people will think this means Ayato is no good, when he is actually very good when built. Def 'good enough' for any normal content. Ayato is also very easy to play. I've already seen a thumbnail stating that people should not pull for Ayato his next banner. But if someone needs a hydro DPS now and not in half-a-year (blind guess about a rerun) or just likes Ayato, it really is their own business. Not everyone is trying to clear the Abyss in record time. Both gentlemen are among my favorites. If Neuvillette might be a bit ahead of Ayato now, it is not because of his 'hydro pump'. It is just that Dragons are amazing. 🤩
yeah sadly that seems to be precisely what people think, and that kind of surprised me 😩 People forget/don't realise that someone being "better" doesn't actually make the other person any worse, and while Ayato's never been OP, he's always been more than good enough! Both are among my faves too, and I'll make an Ayato video to explain why I like him and why I DO still play him even if Neuvillette is objectively more powerful 😊
Genshin also is known for pulling out and deviate the next characters to single out those that are strong (leaving an element on the floor to burst your dendro seeds), if Neuvillette is strong and people are juicing over the prospect of a future unit to further improve his damage like a hp buffer... then we can most likely expected that character to never come out or be so restrictive in its mechanics to not make Neuvillette stronger, maybe they will be hydro too so either you want Furina or this character but all 3 of them will reduce your options. Venti was the closest this game had to a must pull, and now he is in line. Another thing is that for some reason they love to put all hydro characters into 5-star rarity, the game has seen 7! 5 stars while only 1 4-star since 1.0 so the competition is really piling up, in the same way that pyro is overstack with onfield dps. Cryo is funnily the more varied element on their roster, everyone in a way have something distinctive, and they lack a reaction with dendro. I got Nevillette and my Ayato is still a blast to play on my soup teams, Neuvillette is useless when I need offield hydro.
Furina gives alot of dmg bonus to neuvillette You can use an hp goblet on neuvillette and bring furina with him on team there's no need for hp support the value of hp support is fulfilled and more than enough with furina
@@w444rbv That's good, but what I mean is they will most likely not make another character that will further increase his damage, and make enemies with mechanics that will tone him down (Magu Kenki blocking damage for Ganyu, bosses blocking excessive damage to not be one shotted, etc)
I think it's a pretty good reminder that no matter what, powercreep is always going to be a thing even if it's not as noticeable in day to day play. Except Otter Prime. 😎 Neuvillette is ridiculous tough and that only increases as you gain constellations for him. I'm pretty sure that c6 Yelan and c6 Otter Prime could clear the abyss with 3 stars as solo teams. Thank you sweet Saurus for another wonderful video 👏💜🥳
@@Blazagg you definitely can - generally they're well built c0s you've spent time on though. I got to see a c4 Neuvilette with passable artifacts stolen from other units do it the day they were pulled and they hadn't been levelled past 60 yet. The talents hadn't been touched. His cons make him OP - super fun to play but OP 😂I'm not gonna complain I love the water cannon myself! I think Yelan and Neuvillette are the first time I've noticed how wild cons are for limited 5 stars personally 🤔
My hope is that Neuvillette just signals a small boost in numbers for newer characters, in the same way that Ganyu did. They eventually pulled back on how good post-Ganyu 5*s were (Xiao and Ayato are great characters but were definitely more balanced). My speculation is that Ganyu and the powerful 5*s that came after her were an overcorrection from the Zhongli fiasco and if I had to guess now, the reason Neuvillette is so powerful is because HYV are trying to introduce more variety now that Hyperbloom and Dendro in general has pushed the damage ceiling a little higher. Hopefully they'll reign it back a bit in future patches
I have no squab about Neuvy's abilities and such but I find it really funny to see him in coop floating around like a kite while he uses his hydrocannon. I like Ayato more because he is more stylish and is so easy to use.
Him looking so goofy is honestly one of the reasons I love him 😂 But I agree, Ayato has that controlled, highly precise and refined style both in his aesthetics AND his playstyle that I also love!
I enjoy your videos a lot! They're always well thought out and you provide a balanced view. I also very much like experimenting teams comps and enjoy characters' personality while exploring, so powercreep hasn't been as noticeable for me. To promote a wider variety of team comps, I think it would be interesting to bring another layer of resonances related to weapons. E.g 2 sword users in the team synergise and increase crit to team. Or two catalyst, increase ER for the team etc etc
i think the reason why neuvillette outperforms ayato is simple - neuvillette is a super powerful dragon. they just keep up with the lore par here and i love it. ayato is still very good at his role and if his mains love him they will still use him, I am glad im not this much into combat to care if one hydro dps is better than other hydro dps. a year ago i pulled ayaka for sole reason for her being "top cryo dps". did i use her anywhere else than open world? nah. i just don't need to keep up with the abyss this much. yes for sure i want characters to be strong there but i want MY FAVORITE characters to be strong, not some random unit who i don't like this much. and yes i am ready to invest in a character even if they are dori if i like that char
As a super old user of Amber I find this an amazing reason. You play this game to have fun with your favorite character even though the are not in the current Meta. I want my favorite characters to be strong is a good example on how I can clear abyss with non meta characters in Abyss but it has great cost though lots of investment on Weapons and artifacts but for me its worth it though theres challenge and fun, The first 3 starter characters are C6 and Crowned. The 3 starters are my favorite characters specially Amber. I may have all the Pyro Units but Amber really got stronger on my Acc with really good artifacts, Im not saying Amber is good she is the worst Pyro to play for a casual player but as an Amber Main she is my favorite character my proudest Built on my Acc. Amber is the lowest tier but I can clear content as much I can build teams around her, same as Lisa and Kaeya. The weaker character can be viable as long as you know bennet's favorite catch phrase into heart, Teamwork is Dreamwork!
Hmm very interesting. Mind telling us why a funeral parlor director is stronger than an adeptus or why a feeble scholar is stronger than the mahamatra ? Come on dude "lore reasons" is a massive cope , they jusr wanted to shill another boring gary stu at the end of a whole year of boring gary stus
Great video points! Although, I think this is more telling of the lack of proper endgame combat modes than character balance. If we had different combat goals and ways to get those goals (including temporary character buffs, stage effects, niche mechanic enemies, etc.) then the basic balance would be less of an issue. For example: Create a weekly combat endgame mode. Note that Xiangling is used too much in previous weeks. Release a stage effect reducing the crit rate of any Pyro "deployables" by 100%. Suddenly you have less use of Xiangling for that week. Next week Yae is too strong, hence new stage effect. Or maybe release a character specific buff for a week: QiQi gains cryo infusion with a fixed Crit rate and Crit DMG of 100:500. Having a weekly rotation keeps tge game fresh and encourages players to use diverse characters. If someone is busted for a week then it is okay.
That sounds a lot like HI3rd's Elysium Realm. We have seen a version of that in Genshin as well with the Labyrinthine Warrior event although that was missing the character specific buff aspect.
This video is criminally underrated. Coming from a channel with only 5k subscribers, I think you deserve much more recognition and appreciation! I do agree with nearly every single one of your points. I honestly prefer reverse-powercreep as they don't force the older players to pull for new characters, which requires either cruel and gruesome grinding or straight up pay to win method.
Constellations are clearly powercrepted in the way that more recent characters are deliberately designed to have a problem to their base core gameplay. And you're supposed to solve that by whaling on C1 or C2. See Dehya, Wrio and to a lesser extend Neuvillette and cherry picking Baizhu. Have not played Lyney. Every older 5 star I have just works. Their kit just flows together seamlessly.
The issue I have is, just because a "better" version exists doesn't make the "current" flawed. It's like feeling the need to always catch up to the newest iphone when your current likely can last 5 years. They're made with CHALLENGING kits that force you to learn how to use them optimally, because challenging is fun whereas their cons make it easier and stronger, because, of course, CONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HUGE UPGRADES. If it was like dislyte where copies just gave little stat boost then genshin wouldn't even have half the revenue it does today. The characters are fine at c0, but they get better at c1-c2, which btw, is already hoyo being nicer because recent characters "best constellation" have been becoming more and more accessible to f2p
Hoyo is afraid of having to make content, say they were to release something that powercrept XL or Bennett, nothing would happen because they were already overtuned even for the hardest content. Nevillette is better than Ayato (Ayato has good AoE off field app tho) and yet I wouldn't say he took his spot because that spot is open for ANYTHING! The only way this would become a problems is if the game actually start asking for better units above the ones we already know are busted, not gonna happen anytime soon because we have over 70 characters and the most we ever needed are 12 and that's not permanent content. Hoyo endgame is confusing, they release characters, don't make any content that requires them release weaker units with more requirements to do the same or less and move on with another one, there are several ways to go around this without leaving players out but actually making them want to get more and more and yet they don't. Want some easy endgame rewarding and powercreep safe? survival, each character has a path, rotate 4 trials every month and let players use the trial or their own, give gems at the easy stages and then artifact xp the higher you go or let us choose, mora XP or arti XP or better yet RESIN. There, you have something to do with Ayato with Qiqi with Dehya WITH WHOEVER you have and you ain't missing for not having units since you'll see them eventually in rotation if you don't have them.
YES! That's precisely the sort of end game content I'd like to see - we were talking about this on stream not long ago! Mind you, I actually do like the abyss, and wouldn't want the abyss to be removed, but I'd like to see more challenges that push you to try new things (characters or teams), or test your skill (say aim or dodging etc). I like the idea of gems and artefact XP being rewards in particular. Another possible reward could be some sort of credits where if you collect enough, you get to pick a 4 star character or something.
I think it was important for Neuvillette to be super strong as he is the first dragon sovereign to be playable. The sovereigns are described as stronger than archons, so by default, they must powercreep the human characters (or even the archons) in order to stay true to the lore. Remember the outrage when the god of geo, Zhongli, was underwhelming on his release? He is the only character that Hoyoverse reworked immediately because he is an archon and it's important that his position corresponds to his gameplay. Dehya also had the same outrage, but Hoyoverse did not do anything because in their point of view, she's not worth reworking.
People tends to exagerate when it comes to genshin. Aside spiral abyss room 12, everything can be completed with literally every single character in the party (including candace). So while some characters may be stronger than other, it really does not matter in this game, as there was no such challenge for these characters
You missed the point slightly 😅 It's not that some units can't be used in the abyss for example, it's that they don't compare to other ones would fill a similar role, and thus they either have to b much higher invested or have very specific team mates to get the same results, if that makes sense. THAT SAID, like I said: this hasn't actually become an issue *yet*, nor do I expect it to become an issue, but that doesn't remove the possibility that it theoretically **could** happen. But I repeat: the ambient power creep which is the real risk of power creep hasn't happened yet.
@@saurusness Oh, sorry saurus, I wasnt directing my comment to you, or neither to anybody in general. Your video was great, hope you keep up! It was just an outburst of mine regarding genshin, because tough people like you and many others come with really cool analysis regarding the gameplay, in the end it does not matter, because the game is super easy and can be easily completed with a party where bennet, xiangling, xingqiu or sucrose is in it.... Dont takr me wrong, I love and play genshin everyday, but I wish the game had a little more content to the hardcore fanbase as well. Its too casual
@@HyuugaRaull Ahh all good, tysm! 😊 And agreed, at the very least I'd love the ability to up OW enemy difficulty... When you've built your units for abyss they kind of stop being fun while exploring (at least if you're like me and enjoy random wilderness fights) :/
Omg if mihoyo adds a anemo shielder,its gonna be so game changing,bc we NEED a second strong shield character like Zhongli,and the reason why i want an anemo shielder,is bc of the strong wind barriers they can make,so it only makes sense that the anemo shields are as strong or stronger than zhongli's shield,it would be rlly nice to have an anemo shielder who can also use the VV artifacts to shred resistance,its gonna be so good for the players who don't want zhongli or couldn't get Zhongli,so an anemo shielder would be OP😻
This is the whole point of the video. They will never add an anemo shield on par with zhongli's because geo having a strong shield is zhongli's niche. If there was a strong anemo shield that rivals zhongli + the ability to res shred nobody would ever want zhongli as you now have a defensive character that replaces a healer/shielder slot as well as an anemo res shred that can potentially replace sucrose, kazuha and venti, freeing an entire slot in many comps which can either raise the damage ceiling by alot for a team or make a team with an already high damage ceiling even harder to kill.
I don’t want to sound like a creep, but I love to listen to your voice, it is just calming. I mean I really like your content keep it that way, wish you had more subscribers tho.
Not creepy at all, thank you so much! 💜This is no longer the case, but I used to have terrible voice insecurity - I think most people do the first time they hear their own voice haha - so it still makes me incredibly happy when people say they actually *like* my voice!😊
@@saurusness I must say voice insecurity is really common, I am still insecure in my voice, but I can assure you that you don’t have to be insecure about it, and as I said I hope you get more famous because your content deserves it for sure 💛
An aspect of 4 star supports I like is what we got with Faruzan and Gorou, yes they're extremely niche and are almost never used outside of it but the way they're absolutely indispensable in their respective teams brings a lot of value to players who enjoy those teams. I play both mono geo with Itto Gorou and Albedo as well as main Scaramouche and both teams are the strongest teams on my account and my go to for floor 12, out damaging many meta DPS I have like raiden and hu tao
Yeha I'm personally also a fan of niche supports, but I don't think that's the popular opinion. My Faruzan is only c1, but I still instantly paired her with my xiao and she made his team feel more fluid than ever!
I hate the specific 4* supports like Gorou or Faruzan bc they're near worthless at base and make you focus significantly more on artifacts rather than synergy. It's not really my style to hyperinvest in that manner (only 1 unit does most of the damage)
@@Hezkun lol I get it, to each their own honestly, I just like the fact as damage boosters you can have a team that goes without Bennett in the Abyss but also don't suffer from less damage, tho ig dendro teams make up for it as well
There isn't a way that players can battle against each other with characters from gacha so even if powercreep does exist it isn't that big of a problem because you can succeed with whoever you play.
in one day with kinda meh artifacts of hunter my wriothesley does more damage than my ayaka who i tried to farm for during a year... im not disappointed at the power creep because it is artifact impact, gosh... i was extremely lucky to have good starter artifacts for wrio while for blizzard i was so unlucky i had no any useful piece. idc about power creep as long as it is possible to build a character in a normal amount of time yet artifacts are so random they can solely decide which dps will perform better on your account. that is more dangerous imo than any power creep
oh god don't talk to me about blizzard..... 💀 And I've honestly had fairly awful luck with the marechaussee as well, but purely because of the fact that the set gives 36% free critC and both Neuvi and wrio ascend with critD means building them was SO much easier...
@@saurusness I found characters that come with free crit much much easier to build. This extends into their other games like Star Rail. Jingliu took a few weeks to build where she easily surpassed my Jing Yuan who I spent months farming for. The 50% free crit rate she gives does a lot to make farming easier. Ayaka was middle of the road for me in terms of building her since she also gets some free crit damage. I just never got very good luck with her artifacts. The problem with Ayaka is that Blizzard Strayer is much worse against bosses who you can not freeze. Now there are tons of bosses in the abyss where Melt teams will probably do better. There are even regular enemies who just so happen to by freeze immune for some reason like those Hydro Phantasms.
Honkai Star Rail have powercreep but genshin impact don't have. Each patch in HSR have new strongest high dmg dealing character compare to genshin impact you still use Bennett, Xingqui and Xiangling until now. Ask this question Why we compare Ayato (who have off field present) and Neuvillette (Who don't have anykind of field skill) ? Stop comparing Ayato and Neuvillette both them are good in different ways. I think Ayato is fine. Ayato (Off field Hydro application much larger coverage) Neuvillette (Just Pure On field Damage)
Honestly kazuha replaces vent in 95% of situations. Venti burst is the clunkiest ability in the game. And if there is one self infused enemy in his burst. So a slime or any elemental shield. His burst takes that element usually making it give you no energy.
@salceds other than aggrevate teams, what kazuha infuses doesn't really matter. His damage boost is just triggered with a swirl. Where as Ventis ER needs the correct element.
Kazuha is better true but I still tend to use Venti a lot for practical reasons like Domains and lower Abyss floors where he often outperforms Kazuha. He is also better in events that throw hoards of enemies at you that are spread apart. He made my City of Gold farming so much easier since I would kill the entire domain inside the window of his burst.
Kazuha is better true but I still tend to use Venti a lot for practical reasons like Domains and lower Abyss floors where he often outperforms Kazuha. He is also better in events that throw hoards of enemies at you that are spread apart. He made my City of Gold farming so much easier since I would kill the entire domain inside the window of his burst.
good points. neuvillette's existence isn't a result of powercreep, it's a result of neuvillette being a hypercarry. people seem to speculatively doompost about powercreep whenever a good character comes out, but a hypercarry doing hypercarry things doesn't mean ayato no longer has a place in his typical teams. i love using neuvillette to quickly farm bosses or certain domains, but i'll be damned if i replace yelan with neuvillette in my yelan/XL vape team. you're not required to play a character *all* the time. you can still use your old 5 stars lol.
I gotta be honest. Don't get me wrong, nuevelitte is a super cool character and I rlly wanted him but let me share a controversial thing Nuevelitte is only good for the player using him. Due to him being ridiculously OP, he isn't fun to have in a co-op team. He shreds everything in domains and you're kinda stood there with a character you invested alot in and no opportunity to use it. Nuevelitte mains have really made co-op experiences far less fun for me to the point that If a nuevellite is playing, I will just stand to the side because there's literally nothing else to do. I think its different than other characters too. Nuevelitte has a tendency to hog the field and take away most opportunities to do combat and get kills. We don't all enjoy someone clearing a domain in 20 seconds. I use domains to test builds as i'm building characters. Not hating either, nuevelitte is still someone I want but i'm sharing a different perspective
yeah I think that's totally fair, it's kinda like how co-op with people who have c6 characters just makes it less fun since there's zero challenge and sometimes you don't even get to play! And funnily enough, much as I LOVE Neuvillette - both his gameplay and character - the fact that he's so powerful genuinely makes me enjoy him a tiny bit less, odd as that might sound... I do still love him and use him, but after I finished building him and realised his power a small part of me felt a little sad/worried, which is precisely what prompted me to make this video and look deeper into how that *could* affect the game in the future! I also use domains to test builds but I mostly do that in solo mode anyway, since I can also test teams while at it 😁
I don’t necessarily agree with the point this video is trying to make. Neuvillette is a very powerful on-field hydro unit in terms of damage and AOE hydro application, but lacks any off-field hydro application; a very powerful fear to have that Ayato will always have over Neuvillette. It’s also arguable that Tartaglia’s hydro application surpasses Neuvillette’s. While requiring more skill and attention, Childe is still extremely capable and has not been powercrept by Neuvillette’s release. Most units in Genshin have their use. If a character does not have a use, it’s not a stretch to say that they don’t really fit into the game in the first place
@@raptori Neuvillette doesn’t actually powercreep Ayato. He performs better in some aspects but lacks in others, meaning that if you need a character with impressive on-field hydro application and damage, as well as a respectable amount of off-field hydro application, you would choose Ayato over Neuvillette. If you need impeccable hydro application that isn’t single target, you would choose Childe. If you need single target hydro application, Xinqiu or Yelan would be better options. Neuvillette is great but he fits into a niche without making anyone necessarily useless
@@Sacred__ I agree with your overall point (introduction of new characters doesn't make existing ones useless, unless ambient powercreep happens to the point where they are - which is not even remotely happening here), but personally the only time I used Ayato was when I wanted a hydro main, and in that niche Neuvi definitely outclasses him. The only times I've used Ayato for that combination of off-field and on-field hydro is a dual-main-DPS freeze team with Ganyu, which is fun to play, but is waaay far off being powerful enough to be usable in the abyss sadly. So basically what the vid said: I bring out Ayato because he's fun and I want to enjoy his playstyle, but if I ever need to care about the team's damage then he's benched in favour of Neuvi. Ayato in the same teams could probably still clear the content (since no ambient powercreep), but picking him would definitely be in spite of him being comparatively less strong!
Raptori said it already, but indeed just because a character *directly* powercreeps another doesn't mean the other character is bad or becomes 'useless' automatically. This will only happen if ambient power creep starts raping up, and certain powerful characters (or worse; their constellations) are *needed* to complete content, which isn't yet the case! The very beauty of genshin's combat system is that it's complex and allows for a LOT of wiggle room, and thus even characters who have totally different kits can be used to beat the same content - you simply switch up your strategy! But the bottom line is, 1 character being more more powerful does not make the other any less powerful than they were, AND it is not an issue in of itself, as long as the other characters are still viable (and they are) :)
I feel like Nuvillette pretty much directly power creeping ayato is because of ayato not being super powerful/ popular (from an ayato main) it’s sad to see but I don’t really think theirs other characters that will befall the same fate atm
First off, awesome video, it's very informative and interesting. And I agree with the game needing more variety for different teams rather than just making more and more high number characters. On a very unrelated note, no one needs to perfectly pronounce every French word, it's a wacky language that's not always super easy or direct in what sounds like what. But why are people putting an r in Neuvillette's name? T-T Where did that come from???? I am inclined to blame paimon The first bit of his name is closer to "Noovillette" than "Nervillette". Which should be easier to pronounce and is likely how an english speaker would assume "neu" sounds like. Idk, Every time I hear neRvillette ingame it's just nails in a chalkboard
One of the problems with players paying so much money is that they're rushing the game and they're creating unwitting powercreep. Just stop and smell the roses.
I have to agree. The crazy modern constellations are the very reason I will never c6 even my favourite 5 stars, as I want them to remain enjoyable to play (for me). I suspect part of the reason many modern 4 stars also have extra powerful last constellations is to encourage people to try and c6 them despite the pitiful odds.. I witnessed someone get a c3 Wanderer (no earlies even, they simply wished hundreds of times) chasing c6 faruzan 😬
Tbf I'm fine with Neuvillette being really strong cause lore-wise he is literally stronger than archons, I'd like to think he is the exception and hoyo won't do this again until there is a stronger character in the story
Poor Ayato. Thb I'm not so afraid of it because I play for fun and not only for making the auper strong charachters. But of course this will become somewhat a problem if this keeps happening LOTS in the future. Still I love this video! Mainly because you have the healthiest way of looking at this game and thb that is the reason why you are the only genshin content creator I watch. I don't want to fall into having stress about how my charachters do! Thank you again❤
I don't care about meta, but I do care about powercreep! If Genshin's powercreep was massive, then it would mean that the only viable characters for beating the content would be the latest and greatest characters, so it would become a choice between either constantly getting the newest character (and ONLY playing as the latest ones), or falling behind and not being able to do everything. Doesn't matter that it's single player when it's live service like that imo!
There has been slow powercreep since 1.0, new niches are stronger than old niche because of how “cringe” or “annoying” older niches are to play (melee carries with the Bennett circle impact vs range Carries that aren’t Bennett reliant for example)
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With the way genshin's combat is handled there really isn't a true powercreep since "character A" doesn't completely invalidate the power or potential of "character B" unless either "character B" has a downgraded/clunky kit compared to "character A" or only works in a restrictive niche or content that other characters can do effectively
I feel like although they do hit different niches, Neuvillette is unfortunately just more powerful as a stand-alone character than Ayato. I used Ayato since his release in my overworld team, but after Neuvillette came out and I swapped them… Neuvillette just feels better to play. Especially since his mobility is way better and I’m not locked into a single spot if I want his full dps potential. Neuvillette’s dps is just flat out higher and his uptime isn’t fully reliant on his skill cooldown. That being said, Ayato is much more comfortable on bloom related teams bc his hydro application is just more suitable to its rotations, especially in multi wave scenarios with short rotations, and much more forgiving if you mess up a rotation. Neuvillette is far more suited to long rotations, and if you mess up his rotation and don’t apply hydro correctly to enemies you can lose a ton of damage to enemies by not activating all 3 stacks of his passive.
Very true! The biggets difference between them I would say is just how much easier Neuvillette is to build. Even as a f2p you can unlock his full potential with much lower investment. Ayato will still remain one of my faves, and definitely first choice for bloom driver!
Great video, the analysis was superb. I am not even close to being a meta player, completely avoiding Xiangling and Bennett since release with extremely rare cases in which I use them. I've been playing with the same team since Nahida's release with Yae, Nahida, and Kokomi, with the only change being replacing my 4th with Dehya since I got her in her banner (she is one of the most fun and balanced characters in the game). Also, I completely hate Abyss, so I barely do a single run each cycle for 33-34 stars using the same two teams each time (my main from above, and the second being Raiden/Yoimiya, with Yelan, Xingqiu, and Sucrose/Fischl). The two reasons I don't even bother with it is that from a game design standpoint it's one of the worst contents ever made in any game. And the other is that it requires heavy investment in artifact farming which is the second thing I hate in this game. I have stopped farming artifacts for more than a year with barely spending half in hour in 2023 for a few piece from some of the new sets just to try them (most of them are horrendous).
Thank you! 💜 And I think that's totally fair! I'm an oddball in that I actually do enjoy the challenge of the abyss, but I agree artefact farming is the most frustrating part of this game by a mile. WAY too many layers of RNG; you could spend 20k resin in a domain and not get the pieces you need, because any promising ones will roll to that one flat stat 💀
theres been TONS of powercreep already, and it started with sumeru. most teams pre-dendro are now virturally useless unless the team was already top tier back then
this is a really good and balanced video, you touched on all the things i could hope for. Almost a shame this was from before furina, as another example of a new mechanic/character giving older ones viability.
if they care about the lore the most powerful beings are the Archons and S.Dragons for their element. for example Neuvillette should not be directly powercrept by any new hydro dps, since he is the hydro sovereign so no other hydro beings should go above him lore wise. just like how Zhongli will remain the best Shielder. he shouldn't be powercreeped or Venti has the strongest CC (yes i know Kazuha exist. but they are little bit diffrent)
starting off a powercreep documentary video essay with venti is so fitting lol, loved him so much and he WAS an excellent support for my morgana/morayana teams, but hoyo is literally indirectly nerfing him due to the amount of new enemies that cant be sucked into his vortex and it sucks hes still good for exploration but i just wish his kit would have evolved along with the newer enemy designs
I think the reason why Neuvillete is strong in therms of damage is that he scales in pure hp. If Ayato were to scale as him his damage will be the same or even stronger. This is an example that splitting how a character scales is a bad idea.
yeah scaling with pure hp makes him incredibly easy to build, and he also has a self buffing mechanism that very flexible in terms of team mates, AND he can fully utilise an artefacts set that gives him 36% free crit rate 😅 Ayato can be powerful too, but it takes far more effort to build him, and his f2p weapon options are much poorer :/
Honestly it's an issue with enemies more than characters. Anemo characters for example used to be able to pull enemies but almost all new enemies are too heavy for them to throw around. As a result many Anemo characters have lost their usefulness. That on top of enemies getting far more HP as well. Some newer standard enemies are tankier than some of the old overworld bosses.
That would be precisely the ambient powercreep I mentioned; when enemies are buffed in ways that makes it take either the new characters or extra effort from the old ones to bring them down. I don't think it has YET become a problem, but that's precisely the risk **IF** (huge big if) characters were to just get progressively stronger and stronger in definitely.
@@saurusness I think it is a problem already. I used to use anemo characters like Sucrose and Traveler a lot. Lets say since Inazuma it has been increasingly difficult using them. It improved a bit in Sumeru with most new enemies being reimagining of treasure huntings basically. But Fontaine sadly just did it again with almost all new enemies barely budging when an anemo attack that normally sucks enemies up is near. Enemy weight was such an issue in Inazuma they actually had to nerf a lot of enemies. As you couldn't even knock them down. For example Klee's charge attacks could knock down the large Mita and Lawachurls. Yet the Samurai/Ronin scattered across Inazuma was literall6y immune to knock down attacks. Which made absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's literally one of the reasons to use Klee is how useful her charge attacks are. Make enemies immune to knock down well... Klee loses one of her most useful aspects. But as I said they did nerf enemy weights in Inazuma, but sadly only enough so you can knock them down. Not enough for anemo characters though. Basically, the Power creeping effects characters who have utility abilities beyond just stat buffing/debuffing/damage. But if you're using characters that really just focus on row damage/buffing/debuffing, you will not notice a real power creep outside of just enemies with more HP. But if you used characters that were literally FUN for FUN sakes, like Sucrose being a large vacuum cleaner, yet it's VERY painful to play now,.
@@Alte.Kameraden I would't say sucrose is painful to play at all! She's not going to work as a *crowd controller* against large enemies but her swirling is still 10/10, and thus she's my most used anemo character to this day (and i have the whole big 3). I do think it's important that different tactics and teams are needed for different enemies, and with these larger ones you simply have to either bring a shield or be good at dodging to survive them. On the flipside; in the abyss crowd controllers have never gone out of fashion since very frequently floors will have waves of tiny mobs scattered annoying distances away from each other, and unless you have MASSIVE aoe or the ability to suck them in (with sucrose for example
Well based on our 3 years+ playing genshin, it's safe to say that during 3 years journey in tevyat no one has been power crept so bad they becoming useless, especially due to abyss iterations nature, example for old chars: 1. Venti who can't cc'd lots of new enemies atm, but he's still a cheat code when you encounter enemies that can be cc'd and floor 9-11 usually filled with this type of enemies 2. Noelle and Jean suddenly find find their place on top tier char as furina being introduced. So, if u like a particular character though he/she's relatively bad at the current patch go hyperinvest on them, i am optimistic there will be time when their prime time will be coming as more character introduced or new mechanics being found. Though if u want safe, efficient and effective investment, some future proof chars does exist.
Guys, she’s our Genshin queen! Love how break down everything down for people like me who are kinda new to the Gacha scene and horrible at math and all that other stuff lol
I think there is power creep now. Just due to how crazy strong neuvillette is. But so far it isn't that bad as the difficulty hasn't increased in the abyss or over world yet. Over world is downright easy. It's only hard if you try no artifact and weapon runs. I hope they don't powercreep too much. Just because meta slaves will be very annoying to deal with. Hearing about old units being bad in comparison. Kazuha already is annoying to hear about because he prett much power creeps sucrose and most other anemos. Edit. I would disagree on your opinion on sucrose. Kazuha's buff is just way too powerful. Even more then the em buff of sucrose. I hear constantly that kazuha is always better then sucrose.
Kazuha can't swirl dendro, so for hyperbloom teams he's not great; Sucrose on the other hand is actually pretty fantastic as a support in those teams because of her EM buff!
@@raptori even in those teams people still prefer kazuha for the other element used In a dendro team like if you use water sword guy. If your only focusing dendro then sucrose is useful sure. But only if you don't min max em enough. If you built your team better. Then sucrose can be replaced with a better unit. Like kuli, nilou, kokomi. There is a lot better options. The point still stands that kazuha is miles better then sucrose. Her only places she shines is arguably not even great. As other units make more sense.
@@GodChaos333 Yeah to some extent - I guess main thing for me is that the abyss needs two teams, and I often bring Kazu on one side and Sucrose on the other!
@@GodChaos333 The thing is sucrose not only give an EM buff to the whole team, but she also makes a fantastic driver due to being a catalyst user, and can in that case be even the solo EM unit in the team (if you like). Further more, she has continuous CC for the duration of her burst as well as in her skill, so there are a lot of situations where she's personally my first choice! In hyperbloom teams specifically, if I don't use sucrose, I rarely bring an anemo at all ^^
Hoyo does a great job of avoiding it for the most part. Neu does seem like an outlier. I think the main issue are the ones who fell through the cracks. I think the ideal state of the game is that there are hierarchies (ideally consistent with lore for most part) in terms of power, but also that you can play YOUR favorite character (especially 5 star ones) correctly and not feel completely left in the dust. If a character feels useless while being played right, then they need more work.
I use both Ayato and Neuvillette; it's hard for me to balance two great characters that I love equally when one is just a game-breaking hypercarry unit.
Even more so for people whoa re f2p I'd say! One of the biggest reasons Neuvillette is SO overpowered is that building him is an absolute breeze regardless of what type of account you have!
Very good video, and an important thing to bring up about powercreep is we got an abyss where unit dmg is less important than elemental application with the lectors, and according to leaks next abyss we're getting hydro enemies one half and geo shielded enemies the other. Add to that, it's an abyss that finally hit the 4 million health wall on chamber 12-3, and Neuvillette literally can't damage the tulpa. So, Neuvillette may be crazy but he's only as good as the content he's allowed to go against, unlike for example Ayato, where his ability to trigger more off-field effects can still be relevant, such as C6 Fischl and Thoma for burgeon+overload (which will be good next abyss, just saying) Also for tulpa half coming up, not important to the video or anything. But it's really cool we got an abyss that encourages Burn-Melt so it becomes Burgeon, or try Bennett-less Xiangling team comps to avoid getting vaped
I mean, it does suit him due to his lore 😂 But i do hope that powercreep doesn't eventually consume the game. As long as they can create new interesting mechanics for characters, there is no need to make them stronger. I mostly pulled for Fontaine characters because of their fresh playstyle and am very happy about it.
Neuvillette is I think the 1st example of direct powercreep in genshin. But considering how Genshin tend to do the Gods of an area stronger than general(after Zhongli back lash) I can somewhat understand why they made Neuvillette this strong after 4.2 archon quest .
Ganyu was the first,then yalen, neuvillette. Also I my prediction is that since they haven’t make much money for around half a year that’s why they release neuvillette. They need quick money, they throw out yalen so fast so people pull for yalen then immediately releasing neuvillette.
I dont really care about powercreep because every content can be done with every character. And i dont rly care about the 36stars in the Abyss. I mostly make 36 stars sometimes 33 or 34 stars i only make 1 run all the time what i get i live with it. There isnt rly a content where i see powercrepp can happen. Yeah some charakters can feel stronger then others or thats just numbers for me. The only thing that actually bothers me is that characters now feel completely different with constellations and these things are always packed behind C1 and 2.....
That's only the case because there *hasn't* been much ambient powercreep - if they did start moving towards that then the older or weaker characters would no longer be able to complete the content. Seems like they're doing a good job of avoiding needing that so far though! That's def the healthiest approach to the abyss imo! I do spend up to an hour or so trying a few different teams so I can get the 36* just because I actually find that a fun puzzle, but if it got frustrating I'd 100% do the same. Yeah that's definitely a much bigger issue...
People tend not to notice Noelle and Baizhu's sheilds both bring healing. These two are so underrated because of that. I literally had someone complain that I wanted to switch to Noelle when we were not doing well at cooping an instance. Then after say "Man, I did so much better now. I didn't hardly get hit." Ma'am, you didn't do better you had heal support
Noelle’s problem is that she has extreme energy issue and her shield cooldown is super long. I used her until I was ar 50 so yeah, I noticed that problem a LOT.
@@anyaaa2801 I used her till I got Baizhu and Yao Yao. I used her mostly for the ability not the burst. I love how the healing comes with a nice dendro spread!
honestly speaking it would make everyone feel better these next few words "Mihoyo made Neuvillette stronger than most because he's a Hydro Dragon" we can even see that with the follow-up character not being as broken as Neuvillette but honestly I might be coping with the release of Furina(keep in mind another powerful character an archon) she will bring some Meta shifts
I'll love to believe, but I just saw a JP dude doing 38k on this combat event with Neuvi alone, I... Dunno, I think after Dehya that they are not so much in control of the characters performance as many would though, I will believe there's not a trend like that, but I... Then remember that coolest design characters are less "stronger" than weird looking ones, great video ✌️
Yeah I really wonder what they were intending with Dehya... people had lots of complaints about characters in the past which disappeared over time, but with Dehya definitely seems different 🫤
Spoiler of main story of 4.3 Now that I finish the story, Neuvillette’s power level seems more justified. Archons were always a little OP, and if we treat Neuvillette as basically one of them, he’s the first Archon to be officially a main DPS. So yeah I also began to see him as a one off power creep than the trend of things to come. I am a lot less worried about Genshin’s future after finishing the story.
Ambient powercreep will always be there in some fashion. They kinda avoid it because they always need 4 player teams and so only teams are getting powercrept and not single characters. Neuvillette Being a strong character is also associated with the lore side of things. He is a being above any other characters in the game and him being more powerful as a lone character makes sense to be. And it made balancing a lot harder... Obviously. But they kinda did it well by making Neuvillette not great with reactions and buffs. You really can't buff or use reactions with Neuvillette while ayato is great with national teams and can be buffed
even I don't understand genshin players... when dehya was released everyone was crying because she was too weak and now that Neuvillette is out people are complaining that he's too strong smh....
I think those will likely be too different groups of people since some players just want infinite power (sometimes while also complaining the game is "too easy" :P), while others would feel the opposite. That said, I haven't seen anyone complain about Neuvillette either in his own right - in case something got lost in translation: I like Neuvillette a lot, and I don't think he's yet "too strong" but he is strong enough that he's kinda bordering that line, and it can make the game feel a tad bit mroe tirival **if** you're someone who enjoys combat!
Neuvilette isn't powercreep right now opinions of him are skewed due to the past 2 abyss blessings giving him a load of damage percent his main strengths right now are his aoe consolidation with his spin to win/ arching and his high floor (with floor referring to low investment/ low buff teams) when looking at his damage as you approach his ceiling his damage is much more in line with other characters sheeting around 60-65 k what puts him in the upper echelons of aoe dps but still inline with other dps characters (for reference hyperbloom teams sheet between 65-80k at similar investment levels) neuvilette is a top tier dps and is in competition for being the best aoe dps but he is by no means powercreep
In a bigger picture sense yeah agreed, but I'd argue he's powercreep over Ayato specifically - in similar team setups Ayato is kinda disappointing, while Neuvillette is super powerful. Def more that he's on par with the top characters, rather than completely beyond what's expected though!
He's not powercreeping *the entire game* by any means, just Ayato specifically. This alone isn't an issue at all *unless* it starts turning into ambient powercreep eventually (fingers crossed that won't happen), I hope that made sense :)
@@saurusness i would argue that he does not powercreep ayato the fact that ayato has something neuvilette does not, of field aoe hydro application through his burst what gives him an advantage in dendro teams as he can consistently apply hydro throughout the rotation instead of only within their respective onfield times, also his cooldowns tend to line up a bit better as neuvilette tends to want longer rotations. i would say neuvilette is the better character than ayato due to his teams just sheeting higher but imo they serve different enough roles for it not to be powercreep
@@coffeemug1012 yess like i said (in the video) the one thing he has that neuvillette doesn't is support capability 😁 Otherwise it's a matter of playstyle/character preference more than anything. Though you're right that ayato doesn't have to worry about being interrupted or not having enough energy for example, whereas neuvi relies on a full burst and not being punched after you've picked up your balls. As long as you don't get interrupted you'll rarely not have hydro going in a neuvi team, but that can be a risk!
I main Ayato and when I saw Neuvillete immediately thought he is way better. I found this video by chance because of the hard coping. Great vid tho. Wasn't able to pull for Neuvillete but wouldn't it be great to have two strong hydro hypercarry bois in your genshin roster?
I feel like Fontaine at this point produced the most balanced nation in terms of characters. Every single 5 star and 4 star seems good own their own. Of course Neuvi is scarily good but it doesn't change the fact that other characters even less powerful are still viable to use in abyss or domains. I would say that power creep especially in genshin is being held back thanks to really powerful 4 stars
To be honest, some minor power creep was needed. At least for hydro. With the extremely broken bloom and hyperbloom reactions, what would be the point in pulling for a hydro dps? Unless it's an amazing dps with crazy numbers, people would prefer hydro enablers/appliers over raw dps. For me, neuvilette brought back vaporize (using him in a burning/vaporize team). With ayato, I went hyperbloom. Also, they were very smart making him a CA unit, cutting off most supports and even yelan and xq. I can go ayato+yelan+xq against single target and clear faster than neuvi does. So, it's not really a powercreep
From the very beginning of Genshin, powercreeping has always worry me, i still do, i think it’s gonna keep the game from reaching it’s full potential imho
No matter what they say, all gachas have powercreep. It's their way of selling. It may not be a powercreep so abusive that it literally makes your past content useless, but they cannot deny that every time they release something new, they make it stronger than a certain aspect of previous content, and that, my friends, is the powercreep, perhaps it is not to the point of disabling but powercreep is powercreep, and the intensity depends on each game
the team i've been using for sumeru is one of my favourites because it feels so personal to me and quite far from the meta. i use yae, noelle, yunjin and collei (before collei, i think i used either mona or hu tao). i've loved noelle as a character since the start, and i love her self sufficiency, shield and healing, big range with her burst, but i've always struggled with balancing energy recharge and crit. that's where yunjin came in !!! they work amazingly as a duo, and yunjin's design is so pretty. in sumeru, i needed an electro and dendro character (sometimes pyro) for the puzzles in the rainforest and the uhhhhh aggravate (???) reaction is really good at dmg for me !!! yae and collei both have off-field dmg things they can do so i can also have time in a rotation to play noelle :) over the past year, i've gotten ayaka, shenhe and kokomi, i've used them with shenhe to make a nice team. i wanted shenhe since she came out (i love pretty women) but . .. whats the point of having a shenhe without an ayaka. so i waited half a year for ayaka and even longer for shenhe. and then i decided to get kokomi because she's got a very pretty design i got neuvillette when he came out (he is a very pretty man) and i was crazy lucky enough to get both homa and neuvillette's signature weapon, and even with the artifacts i've farmed so far (really not a lot, i think i've done the domain like 15-20 times tops) and with high talents, he is really good . like stupidly good . genshin is so pay-to-win it's insane but he's also got a really smooth playstyle and a very nice design. i really hope in the future that i can still use my original team, despite power creep in the abyss
I would say the characters in your team are all good, it just happens their overall synergy isn't good enough for tougher content (like the abyss). Noelle and Yunjin are brilliant, but since Geo doesn't cause useful reactions with other elements (currently) and no reaction at all with Dendro, that's why the team won't compete in more difficult content, even though it'll be plenty good in the OW. Also if you ever felt like making a mono-Geo team, it would help with Noelle's energy rechange needs, and yae + collei + dendro traveller + kokomi would make for a great quickbloom team!
I feel like the only way to fix this is something like a crystal you can attach to a character to add augments to the skills they have. Add new domains to darm them and then certain characters can work in aoe or add special effects to abilities. (If hutao has her crystal attached charge attacks add an aoe pyro explosion or ayato sword slashes add clones that continue attack) like a farmable constellation. This would add some fresh combat changes
There is plenty of ways to mitigate power creep (if you don't want to solve the root issue of course), one way to do this is to release character upgrades for older characters and that can be unlocked, for example, by completing specific character quests. FGO did implement this with some success tho of there is no sure fire.
i hope that when hoyo re-runs the old characters that got powercreep, they give some adjustment, maybe in talent or constellations. overshadowed with each new character release is truly disheartening. Watching characters like Klee and others from the standard pool become overshadowed with each new character release is truly disheartening.
for those saying that neuvilette powercrept most hydro units,just think of c6 yelans.like the only reasons why neuvi's able to just murder the spiral abyss is that the buffs these patch heavily favors those who can manipulate their hp.just think,for a sec or two,what would happen if the buffs switched and favors burst-relient chars like yelan.Each hydro character's built with different aims.take childe ayato and neuvi.childe's main selling point is his riptide that's able to channel between enemies,and his ability to drive xiangling in international.ayato's strength lies in his versatility,he's both a good on field and off field driver for soup,tazer,bloom,hyperbloom,quickbloom,freeze comps while also dealing decent damage.neuvi aims to become a hypercarry that dishes out massive damage while also having good survivability.comparing ayato or childe's damage to neuvi is like comparing neuvi's healing to kokomi.utterly pointless
can't really agree than neuvi is direct power creep for verg...khem. Ayato, cuz Ayato overall position is kinda different he has higher aoe (if hoyo turns of pc spintowin madness with high dpi mouse for neuvi), has good offield and overall he is a NA char with fast short rotations while neuvi is kinda fat hypermonster who is bonded to special teambuild (before c1 at least)
The problem with newer 4 stars is that their full potential is locked behind constellations, sara, faruzan, gorou, mika, kaveh, yunjin etc. these characters at c0 tend to feel very underwhelming and uncomfortable to play at c0, but with their constellations they’re actually incredible units who are as op as bennet in specific circumstances
c0 bennet is also pretty bad though. he needs c1 😋
@@GenshinYuppeme when I am baiting
@@GenshinYuppe eh not quite, he gets much better at C1 but that doesn't make him pretty bad at C0
@@yahia5476 well, circle impact plus doesn't buff unless heal capped, which means he doesn't buff at all against corruption or with furina on the team, and when he does, it's 20% less buff. it makes him a LOT worse and kinda not worth it in the current meta. c1 is a must-have for him.
that's not even true but go off
I love how little direct powercreep there’s been so far. I can build my favorite characters without worry of them eventually being useless! They did twist my arm to pull for Neuvilette though, his strength is ridiculous!
let's hope it stays that way! Or more importantly, just that no characters become **truly** obsolete due to ambient powercreep! 🙏
I love neuvillette a lot, but because I'm such a contrarian the fact that he's SO powerful makes him feel a tiny bit more boring compared to many of my other faves, despite the fact that his playstyle itself is so much fun 😅
I think Neuvilette is a new type of unit they're going to start pushing from now onwards
most players pull for the Archons and Archons are usually the best at what they do or pretty close to it but they're not intended to be a "Main DPS" even Raiden who is an excellent one at C0 and one of the if not the best Hypercarrys in the game at C2 has more support based constellations going forward
so if Archons are the units that they're going to make the "ultimate supports" per say
then maybe Dragon Sovereigns will be the ultimate Main DPS characters
I just hope that even if they go this route they don't make any character a true must or forced pull for all accounts since Freedom to play as who you like is more important than anything else imo
You know its good if you can actually main a character without worrying that in the future they might become absolete, unlike how most gachas are
It's funny how powercreeps happen often in Games like pgr. Compared to Pgr,Genshin characters have a lot of longevity. But this is the first time any new character swept through all main dps characters, Neuvillete is the only character that can literally solo Abyss floors.
@@saurusnessI don't necessarily believe Neuvillette is powercreep persay it's just that as you can see most of the most powerful characters lorewise are also powerful in gameplay i fully expect archons and dragons to outclass all other characters in gameplay and Neuvillette is the most powerful character we have yet to meet in the game lorewise so it correlates
I think the most obvious way they can avoid power creep is to make different endgame modes and this also applies to combat events. It's all time trials so certain attributes dominate the meta, it's the reason healers and defensive characters get so much hate, because after a certain point, the only content hard enough to need optimizing, are timed DPS checks. If we had survival modes, boss rushes or other modes that had no time limit but had other win conditions or required different team comps, it would leave much more design space so there would be far less of a push to make characters that do the same thing but better in the few areas that matter most in Spiral Abyss.
I agree!
That would be very interesting to see, I’d enjoy that
I'd love to see a roguelike mode in Genshin beyond simple stat increases. Like have items that give an atk bonus based on your attack speed, or make geo shards deal damage when picked up.
@@ultrite2696 That would be cool. I could see something similar, kind of like Simulated Universe where you can get different effects like that as you move ahead. Honestly though, I at least just want a mode with no timers, just give me anything else.
yeaah! we need a co-op abyss, which needs good team works! so every role on genshin impact will be more valuable. not only time trials!
Neuvillette is stronger as a hypercarry, but Ayato is much more flexible and suitable for many more teams.
I disagree. Neuvilette is so powerful he can fit into any team. There is not a single team Neuvilette cant replace Ayato in (excluding Yunjin and Candace). Burgeon, vaporise, huperbloom, Taser(aka hyper), Nilou Bloom and even freeze.
I have been Ayato main since his release
and bruh he is so much weaker than neuvillete it's just sad for me (i have C2 Jean and C6 Yunjin for his Bis Team)
I agree, the point here is not the level of power but the hole it gets in the party, what they say that Neuvillette can be in any team means he can ignore the rest of the team and do his thing alone because he is so powerful but he can't drive a comp like Ayato does, Yunjin don't work with Neuvillete but work great with Ayato, Neuvillete can't prock Beidou's Ult because he focus more in his powerfull charged atk, Ayato can. Ayato's Ultimate is great for freeze teams and have the quadratic scale like Ganyu's so having great synergy, Neuvillette in such teams is a waste of time since he will be on field most of the time doing his dmg so the rest of the team doesn't matter... again, to me, they just have a complete different holes
@@cesarignjas Ayato is not driving yunjin. Driving means activating off field abilities in a supportive manner. Yunjin just buffs but it is meaningless because Neuvilette still does more damage. Neuvilette does drive Beidou and probably is the best driver for Beidou as Stormbreaker activates with charged attack. I do not understand what you mean by Neuvilette being a *waste of time* in freeze teams 1. What do you mean waste of time? You can swap him out anytime you want. Rosaria, Kazuha, Shenhe and Neuvilette make a fantastic freeze team. His field time could be 6 seconds or 15. Also eating the field time of other characters is not a bad thing when you compensate it with enough damage 2. Neuvilette has one of the best aoe capabilities in the game far surpassing Ayato. Quadratic scaling is great but Ayatos Burst does not have the multipliers to take advantage of it. Before Neuvilette, Childe was our low base damage and niche but powerful enabler who had a lot of hydro while Ayato was the flexible but weaker enabler with less hydro. The problem is although Neuvilette can not replace Childe completely because he application is weak he can and does replace Ayato as he is Ayato but x2 the damage. Your comment has a lot of false info on it and I respectfully disagree.
Ayato can have more consistent hydro application in aoe and is a much better driver for teams like burgeon especially because his hydro application off field
i honestly really hate the reverse powercreep that happens to alot of new 4*s. ive gottten to the point where i just dont expect anything good of those character releases, because i know that they will most likely be either underwhelming, or just mid. it sucks and makes those charas feel like theyre being released just for the sake of having some characters released (imho). it just feels like they are missing something??
Yeah, with those 4 stars that I like, I build them enough to use them in the overworld so I can enjoy their playstyle, which works fine enough for me since I have a plethora of well built characters to choose from for tougher content, but newer players haven't yet built up the library of characters and equipment. It really does feel like some characters get released just for the sake of adding something new to the banners for people to pull...
For example I love Lynette, and while she works great if you don't have other swirlers, and her playstyle is unique and fun, she doesn't even remotely compare to someone like sucrose since there's no CC at c0, and only minimal CC at c1😔
Some of their kits seem to be interesting, but they get under-tuned to avoid another Bennett.
Kuki is the last good 4* character they released and it's been over a year since her release
@@My_Master_Waves yes, but id also highlight yaoyao for this year
@@ryefieldshiningsun My bad, forgot about her, she is really good too.
i think with neuvillette, hoyo is simply experimenting with the hypercarry playstyle, and just haven't figured out their specific formula for it. we saw similar experiments with Lyney (mono pyro) and Freminet (unga bunga physical), actually, so it could be that they're still fine-tuning the mechanics and went a little overboard with the otter man.
It's definitely possible! Sometimes I think the slight spikes in character power are simply a slight tuning error that got overlooked, and now the character's out and there's not much they can do since nerfing them would cause a riot 😎
i think it's more an issue of neuvillette being made to booster furina. if his sphere things did not heal him, or at least healed him a LOT less, he'd be balanced. but they wanted him to help furina gets stacks easy and ended up with a character that's too independent.
Yeah, ig they also power creep Xiao as hyper carry since no one remember he was one LUL
I feel like Neuvillette simply received special treatment. They made an amazing design, amazing story, made him a dragon which are basically equal to Archon’s, it’d just feel wrong for him to be “weak”… so it was inevitable for him to be good.
@@Kaiji... probably. neuvillette is kinda bonkers. the main issue with him is that hydro has the most mobs that are immune to it, and most shields don't take reaction damage from hydro, so he is far from universal on his own in a hyper party. but then again, just make another type of party, he is still broken as a driver
I thought this video was very accurate
In general I think mihoyo is powercreeping more in terms of characters smoothness and ease of use than actual dps ceiling. I do theorycrafting videos so I constantly monitor these numbers, and for example while neuvillette isn't head and shoulders above others in that sense, he does feel better than many characters just because of how easy it is for him to reach that dps ceiling in real play, and also how guaranteed his aoe feels.
I think we had something like this with a character such as wanderer too, which in my opinion kinda powercrept yoimiya in terms of ease of use: both ranged left click spammers, but wanderer has better range, aoe and mobility ( this makes him feel better without a shielder than yoimiya ).
Hoyoverse has its own metrics to determine character strenght and I'm sure this ease of use, which contributes to how good a character is for the average/casual player, is a big part of their kit designs
Yes exactly! The easiest way I think to notice such things is when comparing f2p versions of each character; since Neuvi can utilise Marechaussee to the max and ascends with crit damage that makes building crit incredibly easy. His BiS f2p weapon is fantastic for him, which is somewhat rare I'd say for DPS characters. I think all of that is something people overlook when comparing character "strength". Likewise, while Xingqiu has the potential for great damage, it's simply so much easier to build the stats and achieve similar or better results with Yelan!
I never really realized how easier it is for me to use wanderer compared to yoimiya since i have both of them (but also tbf i have wanderer at like around 200% crit dmg and yoimiya is around 140% lol)
I don't think neuvillette is a one-off. he's more of a trend of one region having a single dps unit of special note. He is what xiao was supposed to be to zhongli, what Alhaitham is to nahida, what raiden shogun herself is, what diluc once was. Each region gets to have a strong support (usually an archon now) and a strong DPS by default, and they're usually important in the story.
Neuvillette is ridiculously powerful for sure, and super fun to play... but yeah hopefully the video is right and he won't be the start of a powercreep trend!
Yeah love everything about him honestly! And Ayato will still get to play too, but honestly mostly just because I really like him 🥺
You can literally test C0 R0 DPS for both neuv and ayato and the DPS is almost the same. He’s NOT OP. At all. And anyone saying he is is misguided
@@tehCostHDwell... not really. While damage wise they are equal, Neuvilette has an easier time, is easier to build, and has self sustain. While numbers are close, Neuvilette is definetely a better version of Hydro carries. Its not even close.
@@nakfyre9512 and ayato works better as an enabler. They both do different things better than each other. Further proving my point that there is no power creep going on here
@@nakfyre9512 and ayato can also run many different teams like freeze with ganyu and venti, or mono hydro with xinqiu and yelan and kazuha/jean they both are fantastic characters that any account would be great to have
Genshin is powercreeping pretty much since the beginning, I'd say about four times in a year there's a new thing released that shifts damage ceiling up. Out of more notable ones, Zhongli, Hu Tao, Yelan, Dendro as a whole, they all moved the cap quite a lot. But the thing is that actual difficulty bar did not move by far that much. And with it I account even for the hardest Abyss cycles we had so far that occurred during 3.x. Many were complaining but in the end many have beaten it using old characters, just used in creative arrangements. Poeple who have fun beating Abyss using 4-star characters with 4-star weapons have yet to have their streak interrupted. And overworld is as easy as ever, I have just seen a video of someone exploring Fontaine using level 20 characters. Which is in fact great. There's a lot of Genshin except the Abyss and for significant part of players Abyss does not even exist. Such people have zero need to get stronger characters to "succeed", they get them for all other reasons.
Note Hoyo never showcases character strength in their demos. They showcase their design, their personality, their animations and effects. They're selling eye candy and experience, not DPS. The powercreep is there just for those for who it matters, those who measure beauty in damage per second.
Note on your closing remarks: Abyss will always be a DPS check. The kind of check may change over time as it did in the past, i.e. elemental application check, burst damage check, sustained damage check and so on but it will always be a DPS check. That's the purpose of Abyss. For other challenges, there's exploration and limited time events.
yess, like I said, the one that *actually* determines whether or not characters remain viable is ambient powercreep - it don't matter is new characters are OP, as long as content doesn't get to the point where you can *only* clearly it with them (and it hasn't yet).
Also I actually like the abyss, I wasn't calling for the abyss itself to be changed (I perhaps should've rephrased that) - what I would like to see more of is something a little more akin to simulated universe in HSR; a combination of fights, perhaps puzzles, maybe skill checks? Something that would perhaps make you use specific types of characters, or reward you for having certain abilities (such as good aim or good dodging).... How that could be accommodated for people of all platforms, I'm not sure, since I believe these sorts of moves on mobile devices can be really difficult :/ We've had many events in the past that have featured stuff that I think could be such a great permanent addition to the game.
Something to note: Yelan actually does about the same damage as Xingqiu as a solo unit (she does more damage than Xingqiu when they're paired together because Xingqiu makes up for some of her energy while providing hydro resonance and resistance shred via constellations). This is mostly due to her worse particle generation in teams with inflexible on-fielders (like hu tao, cyno, or yoimiya).
In addition, Ayato still provides better hydro application (in addition to off-field presence) that Neuvillette does not (though this difference doesn't mean much for most people who don't care that much about combat).
In general, though, I agree with your points! Especially on ambient powercreep, it's definitely something noticeable, especially after the release of dendro.
Xingqiu needs cons to keep up with Yelan though, and a C6 4* is harder to get than a C0 5*. I assume you have C6 Xingqiu which is why you say that but the majority of people doesn't. I, for example, have only a C2 XQ.
@@EddyConejo I'd honestly argue that c6 xingqiu is more common than c0 yelan. He's a day-1 4*. This is on top of the fact that he's available in the shop, which makes cons even more accessible.
@@effienehs649 the majority of players aren't day 1 players though, and many players who played then aren't playing now. You shouldn't consider yourself the standard.
Imo the ONLY bad powercreep comes when you NEED new characters because your old characters don't have enough damage to go through some content. Genshin is doing great so far dealing with this since, as far as i know, you can do any content with any given character, which is great. Nice vid 😊
Doing great by adding zero content? Even then the latest Abyss HP check was 4.5 million. That's a big DPS check, and it's only going to go up from there.
@@AuthorityCat i meant doing great in the powercreep subject
If you are an older player then sure, powercreep doesn't matter for now. But for newer players? Powercreep started to get noticable and slowly killing the game for me. I feel like it is going to get worse from here.
There is a clear power difference between Ayato and Neuvillette. Sadly a lot of people will think this means Ayato is no good, when he is actually very good when built. Def 'good enough' for any normal content. Ayato is also very easy to play.
I've already seen a thumbnail stating that people should not pull for Ayato his next banner. But if someone needs a hydro DPS now and not in half-a-year (blind guess about a rerun) or just likes Ayato, it really is their own business. Not everyone is trying to clear the Abyss in record time.
Both gentlemen are among my favorites. If Neuvillette might be a bit ahead of Ayato now, it is not because of his 'hydro pump'. It is just that Dragons are amazing. 🤩
yeah sadly that seems to be precisely what people think, and that kind of surprised me 😩 People forget/don't realise that someone being "better" doesn't actually make the other person any worse, and while Ayato's never been OP, he's always been more than good enough!
Both are among my faves too, and I'll make an Ayato video to explain why I like him and why I DO still play him even if Neuvillette is objectively more powerful 😊
Ayato gameplay is literally just press E, hold left click, and watch as everything dies. One of the easiest characters in the game to play imo.
Genshin also is known for pulling out and deviate the next characters to single out those that are strong (leaving an element on the floor to burst your dendro seeds), if Neuvillette is strong and people are juicing over the prospect of a future unit to further improve his damage like a hp buffer... then we can most likely expected that character to never come out or be so restrictive in its mechanics to not make Neuvillette stronger, maybe they will be hydro too so either you want Furina or this character but all 3 of them will reduce your options. Venti was the closest this game had to a must pull, and now he is in line.
Another thing is that for some reason they love to put all hydro characters into 5-star rarity, the game has seen 7! 5 stars while only 1 4-star since 1.0 so the competition is really piling up, in the same way that pyro is overstack with onfield dps. Cryo is funnily the more varied element on their roster, everyone in a way have something distinctive, and they lack a reaction with dendro.
I got Nevillette and my Ayato is still a blast to play on my soup teams, Neuvillette is useless when I need offield hydro.
Furina gives alot of dmg bonus to neuvillette
You can use an hp goblet on neuvillette and bring furina with him on team there's no need for hp support the value of hp support is fulfilled and more than enough with furina
@@w444rbv That's good, but what I mean is they will most likely not make another character that will further increase his damage, and make enemies with mechanics that will tone him down (Magu Kenki blocking damage for Ganyu, bosses blocking excessive damage to not be one shotted, etc)
Was one Candace not enough for you?
I think it's a pretty good reminder that no matter what, powercreep is always going to be a thing even if it's not as noticeable in day to day play. Except Otter Prime. 😎 Neuvillette is ridiculous tough and that only increases as you gain constellations for him. I'm pretty sure that c6 Yelan and c6 Otter Prime could clear the abyss with 3 stars as solo teams. Thank you sweet Saurus for another wonderful video 👏💜🥳
Thank YOU! 🥰💜 To be fair most c6 5 stars can probably solo 36 because the constellations have gotten ridiculous 😂
You can solo abyss with a few C0 characters, take a look at Ken Rurouni :)
@@Blazagg you definitely can - generally they're well built c0s you've spent time on though. I got to see a c4 Neuvilette with passable artifacts stolen from other units do it the day they were pulled and they hadn't been levelled past 60 yet. The talents hadn't been touched. His cons make him OP - super fun to play but OP 😂I'm not gonna complain I love the water cannon myself! I think Yelan and Neuvillette are the first time I've noticed how wild cons are for limited 5 stars personally 🤔
neuvillette at c1 can already clear the abyss with 3 stars
"Novelty over higher numbers" Yes! This!
My hope is that Neuvillette just signals a small boost in numbers for newer characters, in the same way that Ganyu did. They eventually pulled back on how good post-Ganyu 5*s were (Xiao and Ayato are great characters but were definitely more balanced). My speculation is that Ganyu and the powerful 5*s that came after her were an overcorrection from the Zhongli fiasco and if I had to guess now, the reason Neuvillette is so powerful is because HYV are trying to introduce more variety now that Hyperbloom and Dendro in general has pushed the damage ceiling a little higher. Hopefully they'll reign it back a bit in future patches
I have no squab about Neuvy's abilities and such but I find it really funny to see him in coop floating around like a kite while he uses his hydrocannon.
I like Ayato more because he is more stylish and is so easy to use.
Him looking so goofy is honestly one of the reasons I love him 😂 But I agree, Ayato has that controlled, highly precise and refined style both in his aesthetics AND his playstyle that I also love!
I enjoy your videos a lot! They're always well thought out and you provide a balanced view. I also very much like experimenting teams comps and enjoy characters' personality while exploring, so powercreep hasn't been as noticeable for me.
To promote a wider variety of team comps, I think it would be interesting to bring another layer of resonances related to weapons. E.g 2 sword users in the team synergise and increase crit to team. Or two catalyst, increase ER for the team etc etc
i think the reason why neuvillette outperforms ayato is simple - neuvillette is a super powerful dragon. they just keep up with the lore par here and i love it. ayato is still very good at his role and if his mains love him they will still use him, I am glad im not this much into combat to care if one hydro dps is better than other hydro dps. a year ago i pulled ayaka for sole reason for her being "top cryo dps". did i use her anywhere else than open world? nah. i just don't need to keep up with the abyss this much. yes for sure i want characters to be strong there but i want MY FAVORITE characters to be strong, not some random unit who i don't like this much. and yes i am ready to invest in a character even if they are dori if i like that char
As a super old user of Amber I find this an amazing reason. You play this game to have fun with your favorite character even though the are not in the current Meta. I want my favorite characters to be strong is a good example on how I can clear abyss with non meta characters in Abyss but it has great cost though lots of investment on Weapons and artifacts but for me its worth it though theres challenge and fun, The first 3 starter characters are C6 and Crowned. The 3 starters are my favorite characters specially Amber. I may have all the Pyro Units but Amber really got stronger on my Acc with really good artifacts, Im not saying Amber is good she is the worst Pyro to play for a casual player but as an Amber Main she is my favorite character my proudest Built on my Acc. Amber is the lowest tier but I can clear content as much I can build teams around her, same as Lisa and Kaeya. The weaker character can be viable as long as you know bennet's favorite catch phrase into heart, Teamwork is Dreamwork!
lore is elan excuse. don’t fall for cheap scamming techniques.
@@pajeetsingh you're playing a fucking gacha game
That's my point. CCP bans gambling but it's ok when they sell it to children abroad. @@substitutedoll5224
Hmm very interesting. Mind telling us why a funeral parlor director is stronger than an adeptus or why a feeble scholar is stronger than the mahamatra ? Come on dude "lore reasons" is a massive cope , they jusr wanted to shill another boring gary stu at the end of a whole year of boring gary stus
Great video points!
Although, I think this is more telling of the lack of proper endgame combat modes than character balance. If we had different combat goals and ways to get those goals (including temporary character buffs, stage effects, niche mechanic enemies, etc.) then the basic balance would be less of an issue. For example:
Create a weekly combat endgame mode. Note that Xiangling is used too much in previous weeks. Release a stage effect reducing the crit rate of any Pyro "deployables" by 100%. Suddenly you have less use of Xiangling for that week. Next week Yae is too strong, hence new stage effect. Or maybe release a character specific buff for a week: QiQi gains cryo infusion with a fixed Crit rate and Crit DMG of 100:500.
Having a weekly rotation keeps tge game fresh and encourages players to use diverse characters. If someone is busted for a week then it is okay.
That sounds a lot like HI3rd's Elysium Realm. We have seen a version of that in Genshin as well with the Labyrinthine Warrior event although that was missing the character specific buff aspect.
This video is criminally underrated. Coming from a channel with only 5k subscribers, I think you deserve much more recognition and appreciation!
I do agree with nearly every single one of your points. I honestly prefer reverse-powercreep as they don't force the older players to pull for new characters, which requires either cruel and gruesome grinding or straight up pay to win method.
Constellations are clearly powercrepted in the way that more recent characters are deliberately designed to have a problem to their base core gameplay. And you're supposed to solve that by whaling on C1 or C2. See Dehya, Wrio and to a lesser extend Neuvillette and cherry picking Baizhu. Have not played Lyney.
Every older 5 star I have just works. Their kit just flows together seamlessly.
Hu tao has the same problem. She’s not unplayable but the difference between c0 and c1 is huge in how smooth her gameplay feels.
The issue I have is, just because a "better" version exists doesn't make the "current" flawed. It's like feeling the need to always catch up to the newest iphone when your current likely can last 5 years. They're made with CHALLENGING kits that force you to learn how to use them optimally, because challenging is fun whereas their cons make it easier and stronger, because, of course, CONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HUGE UPGRADES. If it was like dislyte where copies just gave little stat boost then genshin wouldn't even have half the revenue it does today. The characters are fine at c0, but they get better at c1-c2, which btw, is already hoyo being nicer because recent characters "best constellation" have been becoming more and more accessible to f2p
Hoyo is afraid of having to make content, say they were to release something that powercrept XL or Bennett, nothing would happen because they were already overtuned even for the hardest content.
Nevillette is better than Ayato (Ayato has good AoE off field app tho) and yet I wouldn't say he took his spot because that spot is open for ANYTHING!
The only way this would become a problems is if the game actually start asking for better units above the ones we already know are busted, not gonna happen anytime soon because we have over 70 characters and the most we ever needed are 12 and that's not permanent content.
Hoyo endgame is confusing, they release characters, don't make any content that requires them release weaker units with more requirements to do the same or less and move on with another one, there are several ways to go around this without leaving players out but actually making them want to get more and more and yet they don't.
Want some easy endgame rewarding and powercreep safe? survival, each character has a path, rotate 4 trials every month and let players use the trial or their own, give gems at the easy stages and then artifact xp the higher you go or let us choose, mora XP or arti XP or better yet RESIN.
There, you have something to do with Ayato with Qiqi with Dehya WITH WHOEVER you have and you ain't missing for not having units since you'll see them eventually in rotation if you don't have them.
YES! That's precisely the sort of end game content I'd like to see - we were talking about this on stream not long ago! Mind you, I actually do like the abyss, and wouldn't want the abyss to be removed, but I'd like to see more challenges that push you to try new things (characters or teams), or test your skill (say aim or dodging etc). I like the idea of gems and artefact XP being rewards in particular. Another possible reward could be some sort of credits where if you collect enough, you get to pick a 4 star character or something.
I think it was important for Neuvillette to be super strong as he is the first dragon sovereign to be playable. The sovereigns are described as stronger than archons, so by default, they must powercreep the human characters (or even the archons) in order to stay true to the lore. Remember the outrage when the god of geo, Zhongli, was underwhelming on his release? He is the only character that Hoyoverse reworked immediately because he is an archon and it's important that his position corresponds to his gameplay. Dehya also had the same outrage, but Hoyoverse did not do anything because in their point of view, she's not worth reworking.
People tends to exagerate when it comes to genshin. Aside spiral abyss room 12, everything can be completed with literally every single character in the party (including candace). So while some characters may be stronger than other, it really does not matter in this game, as there was no such challenge for these characters
You missed the point slightly 😅 It's not that some units can't be used in the abyss for example, it's that they don't compare to other ones would fill a similar role, and thus they either have to b much higher invested or have very specific team mates to get the same results, if that makes sense. THAT SAID, like I said: this hasn't actually become an issue *yet*, nor do I expect it to become an issue, but that doesn't remove the possibility that it theoretically **could** happen. But I repeat: the ambient power creep which is the real risk of power creep hasn't happened yet.
@@saurusness Oh, sorry saurus, I wasnt directing my comment to you, or neither to anybody in general. Your video was great, hope you keep up! It was just an outburst of mine regarding genshin, because tough people like you and many others come with really cool analysis regarding the gameplay, in the end it does not matter, because the game is super easy and can be easily completed with a party where bennet, xiangling, xingqiu or sucrose is in it.... Dont takr me wrong, I love and play genshin everyday, but I wish the game had a little more content to the hardcore fanbase as well. Its too casual
@@HyuugaRaull Ahh all good, tysm! 😊 And agreed, at the very least I'd love the ability to up OW enemy difficulty... When you've built your units for abyss they kind of stop being fun while exploring (at least if you're like me and enjoy random wilderness fights) :/
Omg if mihoyo adds a anemo shielder,its gonna be so game changing,bc we NEED a second strong shield character like Zhongli,and the reason why i want an anemo shielder,is bc of the strong wind barriers they can make,so it only makes sense that the anemo shields are as strong or stronger than zhongli's shield,it would be rlly nice to have an anemo shielder who can also use the VV artifacts to shred resistance,its gonna be so good for the players who don't want zhongli or couldn't get Zhongli,so an anemo shielder would be OP😻
Petition for MIHOYO to add an anemo shielder 😭
If they decide to add Dvalin or another male anemo character,than they should make them an anemo shielder 😤
This is the whole point of the video. They will never add an anemo shield on par with zhongli's because geo having a strong shield is zhongli's niche. If there was a strong anemo shield that rivals zhongli + the ability to res shred nobody would ever want zhongli as you now have a defensive character that replaces a healer/shielder slot as well as an anemo res shred that can potentially replace sucrose, kazuha and venti, freeing an entire slot in many comps which can either raise the damage ceiling by alot for a team or make a team with an already high damage ceiling even harder to kill.
I don’t want to sound like a creep, but I love to listen to your voice, it is just calming. I mean I really like your content keep it that way, wish you had more subscribers tho.
Not creepy at all, thank you so much! 💜This is no longer the case, but I used to have terrible voice insecurity - I think most people do the first time they hear their own voice haha - so it still makes me incredibly happy when people say they actually *like* my voice!😊
@@saurusness I must say voice insecurity is really common, I am still insecure in my voice, but I can assure you that you don’t have to be insecure about it, and as I said I hope you get more famous because your content deserves it for sure 💛
An aspect of 4 star supports I like is what we got with Faruzan and Gorou, yes they're extremely niche and are almost never used outside of it but the way they're absolutely indispensable in their respective teams brings a lot of value to players who enjoy those teams.
I play both mono geo with Itto Gorou and Albedo as well as main Scaramouche and both teams are the strongest teams on my account and my go to for floor 12, out damaging many meta DPS I have like raiden and hu tao
Yeha I'm personally also a fan of niche supports, but I don't think that's the popular opinion. My Faruzan is only c1, but I still instantly paired her with my xiao and she made his team feel more fluid than ever!
I hate the specific 4* supports like Gorou or Faruzan bc they're near worthless at base and make you focus significantly more on artifacts rather than synergy. It's not really my style to hyperinvest in that manner (only 1 unit does most of the damage)
@@Hezkun lol I get it, to each their own honestly, I just like the fact as damage boosters you can have a team that goes without Bennett in the Abyss but also don't suffer from less damage, tho ig dendro teams make up for it as well
There isn't a way that players can battle against each other with characters from gacha so even if powercreep does exist it isn't that big of a problem because you can succeed with whoever you play.
that is precisely the point of the video :D
As a Venti main, just the word powercreep triggers my PTSD
in one day with kinda meh artifacts of hunter my wriothesley does more damage than my ayaka who i tried to farm for during a year... im not disappointed at the power creep because it is artifact impact, gosh... i was extremely lucky to have good starter artifacts for wrio while for blizzard i was so unlucky i had no any useful piece. idc about power creep as long as it is possible to build a character in a normal amount of time yet artifacts are so random they can solely decide which dps will perform better on your account. that is more dangerous imo than any power creep
oh god don't talk to me about blizzard..... 💀 And I've honestly had fairly awful luck with the marechaussee as well, but purely because of the fact that the set gives 36% free critC and both Neuvi and wrio ascend with critD means building them was SO much easier...
@@saurusness I found characters that come with free crit much much easier to build. This extends into their other games like Star Rail. Jingliu took a few weeks to build where she easily surpassed my Jing Yuan who I spent months farming for. The 50% free crit rate she gives does a lot to make farming easier. Ayaka was middle of the road for me in terms of building her since she also gets some free crit damage. I just never got very good luck with her artifacts.
The problem with Ayaka is that Blizzard Strayer is much worse against bosses who you can not freeze. Now there are tons of bosses in the abyss where Melt teams will probably do better. There are even regular enemies who just so happen to by freeze immune for some reason like those Hydro Phantasms.
Honkai Star Rail have powercreep but genshin impact don't have.
Each patch in HSR have new strongest high dmg dealing character compare to genshin impact you still use Bennett, Xingqui and Xiangling until now.
Ask this question Why we compare Ayato (who have off field present) and Neuvillette (Who don't have anykind of field skill) ? Stop comparing Ayato and Neuvillette both them are good in different ways. I think Ayato is fine.
Ayato (Off field Hydro application much larger coverage)
Neuvillette (Just Pure On field Damage)
Honestly kazuha replaces vent in 95% of situations. Venti burst is the clunkiest ability in the game. And if there is one self infused enemy in his burst. So a slime or any elemental shield. His burst takes that element usually making it give you no energy.
@salceds other than aggrevate teams, what kazuha infuses doesn't really matter. His damage boost is just triggered with a swirl. Where as Ventis ER needs the correct element.
Kazuha is better true but I still tend to use Venti a lot for practical reasons like Domains and lower Abyss floors where he often outperforms Kazuha. He is also better in events that throw hoards of enemies at you that are spread apart. He made my City of Gold farming so much easier since I would kill the entire domain inside the window of his burst.
Kazuha is better true but I still tend to use Venti a lot for practical reasons like Domains and lower Abyss floors where he often outperforms Kazuha. He is also better in events that throw hoards of enemies at you that are spread apart. He made my City of Gold farming so much easier since I would kill the entire domain inside the window of his burst.
good points. neuvillette's existence isn't a result of powercreep, it's a result of neuvillette being a hypercarry. people seem to speculatively doompost about powercreep whenever a good character comes out, but a hypercarry doing hypercarry things doesn't mean ayato no longer has a place in his typical teams. i love using neuvillette to quickly farm bosses or certain domains, but i'll be damned if i replace yelan with neuvillette in my yelan/XL vape team. you're not required to play a character *all* the time. you can still use your old 5 stars lol.
I gotta be honest. Don't get me wrong, nuevelitte is a super cool character and I rlly wanted him but let me share a controversial thing
Nuevelitte is only good for the player using him. Due to him being ridiculously OP, he isn't fun to have in a co-op team. He shreds everything in domains and you're kinda stood there with a character you invested alot in and no opportunity to use it.
Nuevelitte mains have really made co-op experiences far less fun for me to the point that If a nuevellite is playing, I will just stand to the side because there's literally nothing else to do.
I think its different than other characters too. Nuevelitte has a tendency to hog the field and take away most opportunities to do combat and get kills.
We don't all enjoy someone clearing a domain in 20 seconds. I use domains to test builds as i'm building characters.
Not hating either, nuevelitte is still someone I want but i'm sharing a different perspective
yeah I think that's totally fair, it's kinda like how co-op with people who have c6 characters just makes it less fun since there's zero challenge and sometimes you don't even get to play!
And funnily enough, much as I LOVE Neuvillette - both his gameplay and character - the fact that he's so powerful genuinely makes me enjoy him a tiny bit less, odd as that might sound... I do still love him and use him, but after I finished building him and realised his power a small part of me felt a little sad/worried, which is precisely what prompted me to make this video and look deeper into how that *could* affect the game in the future!
I also use domains to test builds but I mostly do that in solo mode anyway, since I can also test teams while at it 😁
Always love your format in your videos!
thank you! 💜
You're so underrated! This is some high quality content
thank you so much! 💜
Such a good video! Loved the beautiful editing, and visuals, as well as the very detailed explanations. 💜
tysm 💜
I don’t necessarily agree with the point this video is trying to make. Neuvillette is a very powerful on-field hydro unit in terms of damage and AOE hydro application, but lacks any off-field hydro application; a very powerful fear to have that Ayato will always have over Neuvillette. It’s also arguable that Tartaglia’s hydro application surpasses Neuvillette’s. While requiring more skill and attention, Childe is still extremely capable and has not been powercrept by Neuvillette’s release. Most units in Genshin have their use. If a character does not have a use, it’s not a stretch to say that they don’t really fit into the game in the first place
That actually sounds like you're repeating the point the video was trying to make, just with a different example 😅
@@raptori Neuvillette doesn’t actually powercreep Ayato. He performs better in some aspects but lacks in others, meaning that if you need a character with impressive on-field hydro application and damage, as well as a respectable amount of off-field hydro application, you would choose Ayato over Neuvillette. If you need impeccable hydro application that isn’t single target, you would choose Childe. If you need single target hydro application, Xinqiu or Yelan would be better options. Neuvillette is great but he fits into a niche without making anyone necessarily useless
@@Sacred__ I agree with your overall point (introduction of new characters doesn't make existing ones useless, unless ambient powercreep happens to the point where they are - which is not even remotely happening here), but personally the only time I used Ayato was when I wanted a hydro main, and in that niche Neuvi definitely outclasses him.
The only times I've used Ayato for that combination of off-field and on-field hydro is a dual-main-DPS freeze team with Ganyu, which is fun to play, but is waaay far off being powerful enough to be usable in the abyss sadly. So basically what the vid said: I bring out Ayato because he's fun and I want to enjoy his playstyle, but if I ever need to care about the team's damage then he's benched in favour of Neuvi. Ayato in the same teams could probably still clear the content (since no ambient powercreep), but picking him would definitely be in spite of him being comparatively less strong!
Raptori said it already, but indeed just because a character *directly* powercreeps another doesn't mean the other character is bad or becomes 'useless' automatically. This will only happen if ambient power creep starts raping up, and certain powerful characters (or worse; their constellations) are *needed* to complete content, which isn't yet the case!
The very beauty of genshin's combat system is that it's complex and allows for a LOT of wiggle room, and thus even characters who have totally different kits can be used to beat the same content - you simply switch up your strategy!
But the bottom line is, 1 character being more more powerful does not make the other any less powerful than they were, AND it is not an issue in of itself, as long as the other characters are still viable (and they are) :)
Such a clear and precise video !
tysm 💜
I feel like Nuvillette pretty much directly power creeping ayato is because of ayato not being super powerful/ popular (from an ayato main) it’s sad to see but I don’t really think theirs other characters that will befall the same fate atm
First off, awesome video, it's very informative and interesting. And I agree with the game needing more variety for different teams rather than just making more and more high number characters.
On a very unrelated note, no one needs to perfectly pronounce every French word, it's a wacky language that's not always super easy or direct in what sounds like what.
But why are people putting an r in Neuvillette's name? T-T
Where did that come from????
I am inclined to blame paimon
The first bit of his name is closer to "Noovillette" than "Nervillette". Which should be easier to pronounce and is likely how an english speaker would assume "neu" sounds like. Idk, Every time I hear neRvillette ingame it's just nails in a chalkboard
Lyney durng the first archon quest 💀
Also thank you! 💜
One of the problems with players paying so much money is that they're rushing the game and they're creating unwitting powercreep. Just stop and smell the roses.
I have to agree. The crazy modern constellations are the very reason I will never c6 even my favourite 5 stars, as I want them to remain enjoyable to play (for me). I suspect part of the reason many modern 4 stars also have extra powerful last constellations is to encourage people to try and c6 them despite the pitiful odds.. I witnessed someone get a c3 Wanderer (no earlies even, they simply wished hundreds of times) chasing c6 faruzan 😬
Tbf I'm fine with Neuvillette being really strong cause lore-wise he is literally stronger than archons, I'd like to think he is the exception and hoyo won't do this again until there is a stronger character in the story
Genshin reverse powercreep is just a sad response of how versatile, powerful and general purposed are the few early 4*s
Poor Ayato. Thb I'm not so afraid of it because I play for fun and not only for making the auper strong charachters. But of course this will become somewhat a problem if this keeps happening LOTS in the future. Still I love this video! Mainly because you have the healthiest way of looking at this game and thb that is the reason why you are the only genshin content creator I watch. I don't want to fall into having stress about how my charachters do! Thank you again❤
I have faith that it won't happen, not unless something about the community itself changes super drastically!
Thank you so much for watching🥰💜
Single player game, no competitive pve or pvp, yet people still care about meta and powercreep. xd
I don't care about meta, but I do care about powercreep!
If Genshin's powercreep was massive, then it would mean that the only viable characters for beating the content would be the latest and greatest characters, so it would become a choice between either constantly getting the newest character (and ONLY playing as the latest ones), or falling behind and not being able to do everything. Doesn't matter that it's single player when it's live service like that imo!
you might want to watch the whole thing :D
There has been slow powercreep since 1.0, new niches are stronger than old niche because of how “cringe” or “annoying” older niches are to play (melee carries with the Bennett circle impact vs range Carries that aren’t Bennett reliant for example)
Displaying her mastery over both fire and polearms, Xiangling sends a Pyronado whirling around her. The Pyronado will move with your character for the ability's duration, dealing Pyro DMG to all opponents in its path...
With the way genshin's combat is handled there really isn't a true powercreep since "character A" doesn't completely invalidate the power or potential of "character B" unless either "character B" has a downgraded/clunky kit compared to "character A" or only works in a restrictive niche or content that other characters can do effectively
You just agreed with the video, not sure if that was purpose or not :D
DEFINITELY, heard there will be another abyss like coming content so a powercreep is a inevitable
I feel like although they do hit different niches, Neuvillette is unfortunately just more powerful as a stand-alone character than Ayato. I used Ayato since his release in my overworld team, but after Neuvillette came out and I swapped them… Neuvillette just feels better to play. Especially since his mobility is way better and I’m not locked into a single spot if I want his full dps potential. Neuvillette’s dps is just flat out higher and his uptime isn’t fully reliant on his skill cooldown.
That being said, Ayato is much more comfortable on bloom related teams bc his hydro application is just more suitable to its rotations, especially in multi wave scenarios with short rotations, and much more forgiving if you mess up a rotation. Neuvillette is far more suited to long rotations, and if you mess up his rotation and don’t apply hydro correctly to enemies you can lose a ton of damage to enemies by not activating all 3 stacks of his passive.
Very true! The biggets difference between them I would say is just how much easier Neuvillette is to build. Even as a f2p you can unlock his full potential with much lower investment. Ayato will still remain one of my faves, and definitely first choice for bloom driver!
Great video, the analysis was superb.
I am not even close to being a meta player, completely avoiding Xiangling and Bennett since release with extremely rare cases in which I use them.
I've been playing with the same team since Nahida's release with Yae, Nahida, and Kokomi, with the only change being replacing my 4th with Dehya since I got her in her banner (she is one of the most fun and balanced characters in the game).
Also, I completely hate Abyss, so I barely do a single run each cycle for 33-34 stars using the same two teams each time (my main from above, and the second being Raiden/Yoimiya, with Yelan, Xingqiu, and Sucrose/Fischl).
The two reasons I don't even bother with it is that from a game design standpoint it's one of the worst contents ever made in any game. And the other is that it requires heavy investment in artifact farming which is the second thing I hate in this game. I have stopped farming artifacts for more than a year with barely spending half in hour in 2023 for a few piece from some of the new sets just to try them (most of them are horrendous).
Thank you! 💜
And I think that's totally fair! I'm an oddball in that I actually do enjoy the challenge of the abyss, but I agree artefact farming is the most frustrating part of this game by a mile. WAY too many layers of RNG; you could spend 20k resin in a domain and not get the pieces you need, because any promising ones will roll to that one flat stat 💀
theres been TONS of powercreep already, and it started with sumeru. most teams pre-dendro are now virturally useless unless the team was already top tier back then
this is a really good and balanced video, you touched on all the things i could hope for. Almost a shame this was from before furina, as another example of a new mechanic/character giving older ones viability.
Thank you! 💚OH I've bene enjoying experimenting with Furina teams a lot, I'll definitely make a video on that!👀
if they care about the lore
the most powerful beings are the Archons and S.Dragons for their element.
for example Neuvillette should not be directly powercrept by any new hydro dps, since he is the hydro sovereign so no other hydro beings should go above him lore wise.
just like how Zhongli will remain the best Shielder. he shouldn't be powercreeped or Venti has the strongest CC (yes i know Kazuha exist. but they are little bit diffrent)
Story wise I can understand why he is so powerful.
starting off a powercreep documentary video essay with venti is so fitting lol, loved him so much and he WAS an excellent support for my morgana/morayana teams, but hoyo is literally indirectly nerfing him due to the amount of new enemies that cant be sucked into his vortex and it sucks
hes still good for exploration but i just wish his kit would have evolved along with the newer enemy designs
Powercreep is what caused me great depression back then. Now I simply go by whatever I build, I adapt to my team. If I fail, I try again
I think the reason why Neuvillete is strong in therms of damage is that he scales in pure hp. If Ayato were to scale as him his damage will be the same or even stronger. This is an example that splitting how a character scales is a bad idea.
yeah scaling with pure hp makes him incredibly easy to build, and he also has a self buffing mechanism that very flexible in terms of team mates, AND he can fully utilise an artefacts set that gives him 36% free crit rate 😅 Ayato can be powerful too, but it takes far more effort to build him, and his f2p weapon options are much poorer :/
Honestly it's an issue with enemies more than characters. Anemo characters for example used to be able to pull enemies but almost all new enemies are too heavy for them to throw around. As a result many Anemo characters have lost their usefulness.
That on top of enemies getting far more HP as well. Some newer standard enemies are tankier than some of the old overworld bosses.
That would be precisely the ambient powercreep I mentioned; when enemies are buffed in ways that makes it take either the new characters or extra effort from the old ones to bring them down. I don't think it has YET become a problem, but that's precisely the risk **IF** (huge big if) characters were to just get progressively stronger and stronger in definitely.
@@saurusness I think it is a problem already. I used to use anemo characters like Sucrose and Traveler a lot. Lets say since Inazuma it has been increasingly difficult using them. It improved a bit in Sumeru with most new enemies being reimagining of treasure huntings basically. But Fontaine sadly just did it again with almost all new enemies barely budging when an anemo attack that normally sucks enemies up is near.
Enemy weight was such an issue in Inazuma they actually had to nerf a lot of enemies. As you couldn't even knock them down. For example Klee's charge attacks could knock down the large Mita and Lawachurls. Yet the Samurai/Ronin scattered across Inazuma was literall6y immune to knock down attacks. Which made absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's literally one of the reasons to use Klee is how useful her charge attacks are. Make enemies immune to knock down well... Klee loses one of her most useful aspects. But as I said they did nerf enemy weights in Inazuma, but sadly only enough so you can knock them down. Not enough for anemo characters though.
Basically, the Power creeping effects characters who have utility abilities beyond just stat buffing/debuffing/damage. But if you're using characters that really just focus on row damage/buffing/debuffing, you will not notice a real power creep outside of just enemies with more HP. But if you used characters that were literally FUN for FUN sakes, like Sucrose being a large vacuum cleaner, yet it's VERY painful to play now,.
@@Alte.Kameraden I would't say sucrose is painful to play at all! She's not going to work as a *crowd controller* against large enemies but her swirling is still 10/10, and thus she's my most used anemo character to this day (and i have the whole big 3).
I do think it's important that different tactics and teams are needed for different enemies, and with these larger ones you simply have to either bring a shield or be good at dodging to survive them. On the flipside; in the abyss crowd controllers have never gone out of fashion since very frequently floors will have waves of tiny mobs scattered annoying distances away from each other, and unless you have MASSIVE aoe or the ability to suck them in (with sucrose for example
Well based on our 3 years+ playing genshin, it's safe to say that during 3 years journey in tevyat no one has been power crept so bad they becoming useless, especially due to abyss iterations nature, example for old chars:
1. Venti who can't cc'd lots of new enemies atm, but he's still a cheat code when you encounter enemies that can be cc'd and floor 9-11 usually filled with this type of enemies
2. Noelle and Jean suddenly find find their place on top tier char as furina being introduced. So, if u like a particular character though he/she's relatively bad at the current patch go hyperinvest on them, i am optimistic there will be time when their prime time will be coming as more character introduced or new mechanics being found. Though if u want safe, efficient and effective investment, some future proof chars does exist.
Guys, she’s our Genshin queen!
Love how break down everything down for people like me who are kinda new to the Gacha scene and horrible at math and all that other stuff lol
omg you're so sweet thank you! 🥺💜
solid analysis
I think there is power creep now. Just due to how crazy strong neuvillette is. But so far it isn't that bad as the difficulty hasn't increased in the abyss or over world yet. Over world is downright easy. It's only hard if you try no artifact and weapon runs. I hope they don't powercreep too much. Just because meta slaves will be very annoying to deal with. Hearing about old units being bad in comparison. Kazuha already is annoying to hear about because he prett much power creeps sucrose and most other anemos.
Edit. I would disagree on your opinion on sucrose. Kazuha's buff is just way too powerful. Even more then the em buff of sucrose. I hear constantly that kazuha is always better then sucrose.
Kazuha can't swirl dendro, so for hyperbloom teams he's not great; Sucrose on the other hand is actually pretty fantastic as a support in those teams because of her EM buff!
@@raptori even in those teams people still prefer kazuha for the other element used In a dendro team like if you use water sword guy. If your only focusing dendro then sucrose is useful sure. But only if you don't min max em enough. If you built your team better. Then sucrose can be replaced with a better unit. Like kuli, nilou, kokomi. There is a lot better options. The point still stands that kazuha is miles better then sucrose. Her only places she shines is arguably not even great. As other units make more sense.
@@GodChaos333 Yeah to some extent - I guess main thing for me is that the abyss needs two teams, and I often bring Kazu on one side and Sucrose on the other!
@@GodChaos333 The thing is sucrose not only give an EM buff to the whole team, but she also makes a fantastic driver due to being a catalyst user, and can in that case be even the solo EM unit in the team (if you like). Further more, she has continuous CC for the duration of her burst as well as in her skill, so there are a lot of situations where she's personally my first choice! In hyperbloom teams specifically, if I don't use sucrose, I rarely bring an anemo at all ^^
Hoyo does a great job of avoiding it for the most part. Neu does seem like an outlier. I think the main issue are the ones who fell through the cracks. I think the ideal state of the game is that there are hierarchies (ideally consistent with lore for most part) in terms of power, but also that you can play YOUR favorite character (especially 5 star ones) correctly and not feel completely left in the dust. If a character feels useless while being played right, then they need more work.
Honestly, once a year Hoyo drops an utterly busted SS Tier character. Think Kazuha, Yelan, and King Kamehameha.
kamehameha 😭
I find playstyle to be a much bigger priority and with Neuvillette's playstyle I will never pull for him.
I use both Ayato and Neuvillette; it's hard for me to balance two great characters that I love equally when one is just a game-breaking hypercarry unit.
Even more so for people whoa re f2p I'd say! One of the biggest reasons Neuvillette is SO overpowered is that building him is an absolute breeze regardless of what type of account you have!
Very good video, and an important thing to bring up about powercreep is we got an abyss where unit dmg is less important than elemental application with the lectors, and according to leaks next abyss we're getting hydro enemies one half and geo shielded enemies the other.
Add to that, it's an abyss that finally hit the 4 million health wall on chamber 12-3, and Neuvillette literally can't damage the tulpa. So, Neuvillette may be crazy but he's only as good as the content he's allowed to go against, unlike for example Ayato, where his ability to trigger more off-field effects can still be relevant, such as C6 Fischl and Thoma for burgeon+overload (which will be good next abyss, just saying)
Also for tulpa half coming up, not important to the video or anything. But it's really cool we got an abyss that encourages Burn-Melt so it becomes Burgeon, or try Bennett-less Xiangling team comps to avoid getting vaped
I mean, it does suit him due to his lore 😂
But i do hope that powercreep doesn't eventually consume the game. As long as they can create new interesting mechanics for characters, there is no need to make them stronger. I mostly pulled for Fontaine characters because of their fresh playstyle and am very happy about it.
Me as a f2p player to my second account. I don't' need to use my 60 fragile resin for Neuvillette and still he hits like a truck.
Klee may be clunky... but the only character that can stagger the big guys like metas
AND she's by far one of the cutest characters which is of course one of the most important things 🥰
No one can buff more than bennet , he is the will of adventure incarnation
Furina says hello!
Please ask Hoyoverse to let us switch On and Off one of the 6 active Constellations.
I would actually enjoy this a lot, it would be incredibly useful for guide making and challenge purposes!
Hey just wanted to say Dehya does actually work great with Neuvillete in hyperburgeon
📝 I wish I had both on the same account but alas, my main has Neuvillette, the alt only Dehya :(
@@saurusness oof I hope you win her on your 50/50 loss
@@lynsmanz384 hehe thank you, I hope so too! 😁
Neuvillette is I think the 1st example of direct powercreep in genshin. But considering how Genshin tend to do the Gods of an area stronger than general(after Zhongli back lash) I can somewhat understand why they made Neuvillette this strong after 4.2 archon quest .
Ganyu was the first,then yalen, neuvillette. Also I my prediction is that since they haven’t make much money for around half a year that’s why they release neuvillette. They need quick money, they throw out yalen so fast so people pull for yalen then immediately releasing neuvillette.
The first power creep is ganyu then yalen then neuvillette. Sorry didn’t make that clear
I dont really care about powercreep because every content can be done with every character.
And i dont rly care about the 36stars in the Abyss. I mostly make 36 stars sometimes 33 or 34 stars i only make 1 run all the time what i get i live with it.
There isnt rly a content where i see powercrepp can happen. Yeah some charakters can feel stronger then others or thats just numbers for me.
The only thing that actually bothers me is that characters now feel completely different with constellations and these things are always packed behind C1 and 2.....
That's only the case because there *hasn't* been much ambient powercreep - if they did start moving towards that then the older or weaker characters would no longer be able to complete the content. Seems like they're doing a good job of avoiding needing that so far though!
That's def the healthiest approach to the abyss imo! I do spend up to an hour or so trying a few different teams so I can get the 36* just because I actually find that a fun puzzle, but if it got frustrating I'd 100% do the same.
Yeah that's definitely a much bigger issue...
Yes agreed, and as I said, so far it hasn't been an issue due to the fact that ambient powercreep hasn't started happening (at least yet) 🥰
itto cant be powercrept because hoyo forgot about geo
People tend not to notice Noelle and Baizhu's sheilds both bring healing. These two are so underrated because of that.
I literally had someone complain that I wanted to switch to Noelle when we were not doing well at cooping an instance.
Then after say "Man, I did so much better now. I didn't hardly get hit."
Ma'am, you didn't do better you had heal support
Noelle’s problem is that she has extreme energy issue and her shield cooldown is super long. I used her until I was ar 50 so yeah, I noticed that problem a LOT.
@@anyaaa2801 I used her till I got Baizhu and Yao Yao. I used her mostly for the ability not the burst. I love how the healing comes with a nice dendro spread!
@@anyaaa2801with furina Noelle is on the rise again
honestly speaking it would make everyone feel better these next few words
"Mihoyo made Neuvillette stronger than most because he's a Hydro Dragon"
we can even see that with the follow-up character not being as broken as Neuvillette
but honestly I might be coping with the release of Furina(keep in mind another powerful character an archon) she will bring some Meta shifts
I'll love to believe, but I just saw a JP dude doing 38k on this combat event with Neuvi alone,
I... Dunno, I think after Dehya that they are not so much in control of the characters performance as many would though,
I will believe there's not a trend like that, but I...
Then remember that coolest design characters are less "stronger" than weird looking ones,
great video ✌️
Yeah I really wonder what they were intending with Dehya... people had lots of complaints about characters in the past which disappeared over time, but with Dehya definitely seems different 🫤
Spoiler of main story of 4.3
Now that I finish the story, Neuvillette’s power level seems more justified. Archons were always a little OP, and if we treat Neuvillette as basically one of them, he’s the first Archon to be officially a main DPS. So yeah I also began to see him as a one off power creep than the trend of things to come. I am a lot less worried about Genshin’s future after finishing the story.
YEss I agree tbh!
Ambient powercreep will always be there in some fashion. They kinda avoid it because they always need 4 player teams and so only teams are getting powercrept and not single characters.
Neuvillette Being a strong character is also associated with the lore side of things. He is a being above any other characters in the game and him being more powerful as a lone character makes sense to be. And it made balancing a lot harder... Obviously. But they kinda did it well by making Neuvillette not great with reactions and buffs. You really can't buff or use reactions with Neuvillette while ayato is great with national teams and can be buffed
even I don't understand genshin players... when dehya was released everyone was crying because she was too weak and now that Neuvillette is out people are complaining that he's too strong smh....
People are complaining about Neuvillette? I haven't seen any complaints 👀
I think those will likely be too different groups of people since some players just want infinite power (sometimes while also complaining the game is "too easy" :P), while others would feel the opposite. That said, I haven't seen anyone complain about Neuvillette either in his own right - in case something got lost in translation: I like Neuvillette a lot, and I don't think he's yet "too strong" but he is strong enough that he's kinda bordering that line, and it can make the game feel a tad bit mroe tirival **if** you're someone who enjoys combat!
Neuvilette isn't powercreep right now opinions of him are skewed due to the past 2 abyss blessings giving him a load of damage percent his main strengths right now are his aoe consolidation with his spin to win/ arching and his high floor (with floor referring to low investment/ low buff teams) when looking at his damage as you approach his ceiling his damage is much more in line with other characters sheeting around 60-65 k what puts him in the upper echelons of aoe dps but still inline with other dps characters (for reference hyperbloom teams sheet between 65-80k at similar investment levels)
neuvilette is a top tier dps and is in competition for being the best aoe dps but he is by no means powercreep
In a bigger picture sense yeah agreed, but I'd argue he's powercreep over Ayato specifically - in similar team setups Ayato is kinda disappointing, while Neuvillette is super powerful. Def more that he's on par with the top characters, rather than completely beyond what's expected though!
He's not powercreeping *the entire game* by any means, just Ayato specifically. This alone isn't an issue at all *unless* it starts turning into ambient powercreep eventually (fingers crossed that won't happen), I hope that made sense :)
@@saurusness i would argue that he does not powercreep ayato the fact that ayato has something neuvilette does not, of field aoe hydro application through his burst what gives him an advantage in dendro teams as he can consistently apply hydro throughout the rotation instead of only within their respective onfield times, also his cooldowns tend to line up a bit better as neuvilette tends to want longer rotations.
i would say neuvilette is the better character than ayato due to his teams just sheeting higher but imo they serve different enough roles for it not to be powercreep
@@coffeemug1012 yess like i said (in the video) the one thing he has that neuvillette doesn't is support capability 😁
Otherwise it's a matter of playstyle/character preference more than anything. Though you're right that ayato doesn't have to worry about being interrupted or not having enough energy for example, whereas neuvi relies on a full burst and not being punched after you've picked up your balls. As long as you don't get interrupted you'll rarely not have hydro going in a neuvi team, but that can be a risk!
I main Ayato and when I saw Neuvillete immediately thought he is way better. I found this video by chance because of the hard coping. Great vid tho. Wasn't able to pull for Neuvillete but wouldn't it be great to have two strong hydro hypercarry bois in your genshin roster?
Yes having both is best 😊 Ayato still gets to shine 💜
I feel like Fontaine at this point produced the most balanced nation in terms of characters. Every single 5 star and 4 star seems good own their own. Of course Neuvi is scarily good but it doesn't change the fact that other characters even less powerful are still viable to use in abyss or domains. I would say that power creep especially in genshin is being held back thanks to really powerful 4 stars
To be honest, some minor power creep was needed. At least for hydro. With the extremely broken bloom and hyperbloom reactions, what would be the point in pulling for a hydro dps? Unless it's an amazing dps with crazy numbers, people would prefer hydro enablers/appliers over raw dps.
For me, neuvilette brought back vaporize (using him in a burning/vaporize team). With ayato, I went hyperbloom.
Also, they were very smart making him a CA unit, cutting off most supports and even yelan and xq. I can go ayato+yelan+xq against single target and clear faster than neuvi does. So, it's not really a powercreep
Short answer
If you’re try get all stars in Abyss 12 and complete higher difficulties in combat events
Yes
Otherwise
No, enjoy yourself
From the very beginning of Genshin, powercreeping has always worry me, i still do, i think it’s gonna keep the game from reaching it’s full potential imho
No matter what they say, all gachas have powercreep. It's their way of selling. It may not be a powercreep so abusive that it literally makes your past content useless, but they cannot deny that every time they release something new, they make it stronger than a certain aspect of previous content, and that, my friends, is the powercreep, perhaps it is not to the point of disabling but powercreep is powercreep, and the intensity depends on each game
I would say Ayato is more of a driver than a DPS, kinda like Sucrose. He does do good damage, but not main DPS kind of damage.
the team i've been using for sumeru is one of my favourites because it feels so personal to me and quite far from the meta. i use yae, noelle, yunjin and collei (before collei, i think i used either mona or hu tao). i've loved noelle as a character since the start, and i love her self sufficiency, shield and healing, big range with her burst, but i've always struggled with balancing energy recharge and crit. that's where yunjin came in !!! they work amazingly as a duo, and yunjin's design is so pretty.
in sumeru, i needed an electro and dendro character (sometimes pyro) for the puzzles in the rainforest and the uhhhhh aggravate (???) reaction is really good at dmg for me !!! yae and collei both have off-field dmg things they can do so i can also have time in a rotation to play noelle :)
over the past year, i've gotten ayaka, shenhe and kokomi, i've used them with shenhe to make a nice team. i wanted shenhe since she came out (i love pretty women) but . .. whats the point of having a shenhe without an ayaka. so i waited half a year for ayaka and even longer for shenhe. and then i decided to get kokomi because she's got a very pretty design
i got neuvillette when he came out (he is a very pretty man) and i was crazy lucky enough to get both homa and neuvillette's signature weapon, and even with the artifacts i've farmed so far (really not a lot, i think i've done the domain like 15-20 times tops) and with high talents, he is really good . like stupidly good . genshin is so pay-to-win it's insane but he's also got a really smooth playstyle and a very nice design.
i really hope in the future that i can still use my original team, despite power creep in the abyss
I would say the characters in your team are all good, it just happens their overall synergy isn't good enough for tougher content (like the abyss). Noelle and Yunjin are brilliant, but since Geo doesn't cause useful reactions with other elements (currently) and no reaction at all with Dendro, that's why the team won't compete in more difficult content, even though it'll be plenty good in the OW. Also if you ever felt like making a mono-Geo team, it would help with Noelle's energy rechange needs, and yae + collei + dendro traveller + kokomi would make for a great quickbloom team!
furina be hitting 86k off-field at c6 now
this will lways be true of modern c6 5 stars, they kind of just trivialise the whole game 😂
I feel like the only way to fix this is something like a crystal you can attach to a character to add augments to the skills they have. Add new domains to darm them and then certain characters can work in aoe or add special effects to abilities. (If hutao has her crystal attached charge attacks add an aoe pyro explosion or ayato sword slashes add clones that continue attack) like a farmable constellation. This would add some fresh combat changes
There is plenty of ways to mitigate power creep (if you don't want to solve the root issue of course), one way to do this is to release character upgrades for older characters and that can be unlocked, for example, by completing specific character quests. FGO did implement this with some success tho of there is no sure fire.
i hope that when hoyo re-runs the old characters that got powercreep, they give some adjustment, maybe in talent or constellations.
overshadowed with each new character release is truly disheartening. Watching characters like Klee and others from the standard pool become overshadowed with each new character release is truly disheartening.
for those saying that neuvilette powercrept most hydro units,just think of c6 yelans.like the only reasons why neuvi's able to just murder the spiral abyss is that the buffs these patch heavily favors those who can manipulate their hp.just think,for a sec or two,what would happen if the buffs switched and favors burst-relient chars like yelan.Each hydro character's built with different aims.take childe ayato and neuvi.childe's main selling point is his riptide that's able to channel between enemies,and his ability to drive xiangling in international.ayato's strength lies in his versatility,he's both a good on field and off field driver for soup,tazer,bloom,hyperbloom,quickbloom,freeze comps while also dealing decent damage.neuvi aims to become a hypercarry that dishes out massive damage while also having good survivability.comparing ayato or childe's damage to neuvi is like comparing neuvi's healing to kokomi.utterly pointless
can't really agree than neuvi is direct power creep for verg...khem. Ayato, cuz Ayato overall position is kinda different
he has higher aoe (if hoyo turns of pc spintowin madness with high dpi mouse for neuvi), has good offield and overall he is a NA char with fast short rotations while neuvi is kinda fat hypermonster who is bonded to special teambuild (before c1 at least)