Accountability is black womens kryptonite... bobbing and weaving, beating around the bush.. Makin excuses, is in their DNA.. everything but holding their fellow females accountable.. grab your passports fellas.. the sisterhood is strong..
Rivah: "She has to go all the way until she can finally finish her point." Me: She rarely makes a point. Her thing is to play devil's advocate for the sake of playing devil's advocate, even when there's no defendant. It's quite juvenile.
Rivah you agreed with the women that the men were “beating a dead horse”. So in other words leave her alone she’s not going to change..so don’t hold her accountable.
18:09 ladies is not about moving on or agreeing to disagree aka sweeping stuff under the rug. ITS ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING AND LEARNING!!! Females don’t openly say it but they HATE to learn anything involving them.
its a mindset. Alot of people in debates (especially women) dont like the IDEA of losing anything lol alot of these conversations its hard for them to admit theyre wrong. Kay knew damn well she was wrong thats why she switched up the narrative and made it be about a podcast. Thats why they'll move and cling to the goalpost 90%. She got the message in 2 different tones from both men and women. She simply didnt want to "lose".
This absolutely insane to me. Kay is sitting here arguing because the men are telling her she's wrong. Like Rivah said she gotta go all the way around until she makes her point. She rarely has a point.
That is one of the main reasons that I stopped watching that show. You literally can’t hear what different people are saying because Kay cuts everyone off and J.R. refuses to silence her.
Melanie said she doesn't make videos to hold women accountable b'cuz she knew the heat was about to reign on her. The downside is... Going forward she will be labeled a hypocrite if she continues to make videos holding women accountable while her actions prove otherwise.
I’m starting to believe as a man that we can’t trust sum women in the Mano sphere. And women don’t even hold each other accountable plus talking all these right things for men but men be careful with these charlmeon. Don’t be fool with their looks. Melanie kings really exposed her self that why she don’t.
A lot of women are all talk. They may say they understand men and want to work with us, but their actions show otherwise. Always judge a woman based off her actions instead of what she says.
Exactly! You don't have to argue to hold someone accountable. Not holding eachother accountable as black women is the reason we're in this rut we're in now.
Rivah. No!! Melanie's content is about holding women accountable! There are not 2 sides to this coin! Melanie chickened out!!!! The question caught her off guard so she lied!!!!!
I thought the same, I've watching Melanie's content, she definitely chose the sisterhood as if viewers wouldn't stop and question, she straight got caught, actually curious if her subs are going to drop off after that
All of her content is holding women accountable. I've been watching her for a while. Now that she is "saying" she is not is extremely suspicious. If she isn't creating content to hold women accountable what perspective is she coming from?
This show is pretty easy to figure out, Kay and Kayla are the Comic Book Villains. All throughout the explanation by others, Kay was enjoying herself while people were indirectly saying that she is a lost cause. To normal people that would be insulting but not her. Also, look at how Kayla was so disinterested in the whole thing, not because the topic was off the rails but because it wasn't about her. These 2 if they had any self-respect would never do the show but they enjoy the negativity. Things don't get accomplished because they just build their defenses stronger and stronger. While Anton is a complete dick, so you have the Joker and the Penguin killing each other and Batman is sick at home with Corona.
Very strange but telling why Melanie reacted this way. I'm surprised as well as the other guys on the panel were also... If all of us didn't expect her to react in that way most likely she's being disengenuos. Maybe she only reacts different on her channel towards situations like this because she just want the subs🤷🏾♂️
See the thing about this. I have brought up the cutting off thing to them multiple times. Wait maybe like twice. 😂And that was enough for me, because it was more talking then listening from their end. I feel we address this cutting off thing with the K’s every show. They ain’t gonna change they stance on it. Lol. So I’m for sure not wasting my energy with people don’t listen. Lol
She never was she is doing this and preying on men who just see a pretty face and a nice body I am sad that the manosphere allows women just to show up and sit down and do the same bullshit they been doing
Melanie was being disingenuous, Rivah not calling Melanie out is disingenuous-Period!! I don't care what she says her channel is about, I've watched (Knew she was a fraud from day one) and she's always talking about holding women accountable. Rivah is doing exactly what Rilla and Anton were calling out.
That’s true but I don’t think Rivah is obligated to call out this situation she didn’t get the whole context this is just a clip. But those of us who saw Melanie saw this acting but it is crazy when it comes face to face women stay away from accountability
I got there eventually. For me, it is her posting of Thirst Trap photos and how she angles the camera to show off the twins with those sweaters on. I actually got a response from her when I called her out and she said that women can never win with men like me. She knows full well that her audience is mostly men and she does elementary things to get her viewership up. Clear fraud.
@@RivahTV. come on, she puts those breasts on Front Street. If you have seen one video or picture, you have seen them all. They are nice and yummy but I know when I am being manipulated. And if she is willing to do that with her appearance then it is not a stretch to question the authenticity of her philosophy.
@@RivahTV. I feel you Rivah you do hold women accountable I believe you didn’t have the whole context but you do have to be careful reacting to just the clips
There's a proper way to have a conversation interrupting someone every 5 seconds because you don't want to hear what they have to say is not the way to go
The reason Melanie's reaction seems conflicted is because on her show there is a one way conversation. Her content is her speaking from her perspective. On this show, there is a back and forth...and tension. She is avoiding the conflict. Dealing with an aggressive woman is just like dealing with a man, there is a low level threat of violence, lol.
Its so many people having this same convo you'd think an understanding would've been reached by now. But men nor women understand what a Relationship is
Anton is correct. One of the issues is that there are no real consequences for this misbehavior by Kay. 1) Rivah's assessment is in error with respect to Melanie. 2) Melanie's logic is also in error. A significant part of Melanie's content is self-evident in its holding women accountable. It doesn't matter if she denies it. 3) Men who know better will see a woman like Kay and run. Then, they will run faster.
Melanie is the example of how women don't like being accountable, she knew damn well she has content were she holds women accountable but straight up lied cause she knew logic was about to checkmate her. And kay hurt's the quality of the show the panel and audience is fed up with her constant Interruptions so Melanie was wrong for being passive.
Kayla literally only chimes in to take a dig at Anton and disrespect him. I've seen her cam up out of nowhere to throw a shot. She has devolved into the personification of what the manosphere talk about.
Here is the problem with "agree to disagree" it's nonsensical, and part of the reason why men and women can't have these conversations. Women love to think they are like men but their nature is adverse to confrontation, where as men have no problems with direct confrontation. Women "agree to disagree" to avoid confrontation and expect men to go along with it. Not only that, Agree to disagree is the female way to completely avoid admitting fault or a mistake, it's the ultimate accountability pass. Women love saying that because their sign language is so god damned strong they expect us to just accept it. Look at the context of this, they are 7-8 people having a discussion, and the women are saying they should just agree to disagree, meaning to agree to allow one of them to bully the conversation anytime she sees fit because she can't exhibit any sort of self control or consideration for the other participants in the discussion. The panel is just supposed to be like. " Yeah it's rude as hell she keeps over talking everyone , but that's just how she is, let's agree to disagree to her behavior be let's not so a damn thing to stop it." Let's be real, the appropriate response is to tell her , If she can't control herself don't come back. That's how men deal with men and how men should deal with these women. So no we don agree to disagree, control yourself or get lost.
Men don't agree to disagree, because when it comes down to it, you have to be willing to fight to defend your point, and if you're not willing to fight, you take the L. Agree to disagree means, "I'm not going to win and I'm not willing to admit defeat but we aren't going to fight so this is how we will resolve it."
@@lamario Agreeing to disagree means, "I no longer wish to invest energy in trying to convince you to see my perspective" Your explanation is pretty dramatic.
@@p51424 War is literally fighting someone who doesn't share your views or opinions. It's not flattering, but once communication starts to breakdown with men, physically defending your point of view is how we come to a resolution. Women don't take things to this point, so they agree to disagree. It's not dramatic, it's extreme.
No no no no NO!!! Melanie is cool BUT we are NOT gonna let her of the hook!!! Logic is 100 percent CORRECT about her and her content! She has more than enough content strictly about holding women accountable! SHE HAS SAID IT HERSELF! Anton and Logic called a woman out and as usual another woman tries to redirect (Melanie did this in her udual sweet way and tone) but lets not defend Kay when it's ALWAYS Kay being disruptive, disrespectful and overtalking the whole panel. Kay deserves NO defense!
Ms. Melanie DOES indeed say on her channel(MULTIPLE TIMES)...She holds women accountable...So Logic was right & he later draws that out of Ms. King who atones by going in on Kay...Must watch(Instant classic)...Trust! 🤣
@@RivahTV. You haven’t watched her content but you are speaking on it in this video. So are you going to retract your statement after you watch her content?
Rivah if you have not watched her content you can't make that assertion. But you missed when logic said I heard you say it,I watch her content and have heard her say it so I'm shocked Melanie said no when you have videos.
Logic even gave the title about holding women accountable yet Rivah ignored that and sided with Melanie. These Trojan horses’ true colors come out eventually…anybody remember Courtney??
You are absolutely right Tony Helm. I have watched some of her contents too. She lied because she don't want to verbally abuse by other the other women.
Anton brought up a good point. They be quick to confront a man about bad behavior and go on and on about it, but when it's a woman bad behavior they try to brush pass it..Anton saying have the say energy when it comes to men. Just brush pass it🤷🏾♂️
To weigh in on what you said at about 13:59, Melanie King does emphasize the accountability k women in her videos. If she’s backtracking now then she’s got no credibility to discuss these issues anymore
To be honest I dont watch them primarily because of the Kaye lady. To me its too much arguing back and forth it gives me a headache before I can get to their point. I see they got Melanie on there now. Nothings changed, lol.
Same, I stopped looking at any of the clips because this show seems more focused on just rambling and arguing instead of actually debating and digesting different perspectives. It's annoying and I honestly can't see how they've kept this going.
I don't like when ppl try to over talk me like i let you rant for 10mins now its my turn & they keep going i just shut up & let em talk to themselves & when they done & be like "You not gone say nothing? I be like sh*t i stopped listening 20mins ago i been done talking 😂.
Women tend to derail conversations with their Logic. In order to keep the Convo going on the right tracks its important to remind them not to go off on a Tangent
Melanie's answer to Logic's question was VERY telling, I let go a lot of things through the stream bc 1 the vibes was very off bc of Kay's mouf. 2 it's a live and she could be nervous. And 3 she's probably not use to this type of environment, like a loud cookout type environment. But when she said No she doesn't hold women accountable all trust was lost. I'm not ready to call her a chameleon but she definitely gets the side eye. 🤨
What is it with some of these combative Women trying to control how the Convo goes down??? 🤔🤔🤨🤨 Mister Logic doesn't play Games. He came with an Infrared beam and Scope. 😁😁😁👊👊👏👏
This what happens to women who never had anything leading up to, and during slavery, then when white women feminism came the black women grabbed it and never turned back.
Women try to use men's tone to run,disrupt and deflect from the truth that's coming because the hate accountability...I've had to stop hunderds of time's in different conversation throughout my life to address this & I use too have patience & stop lower my voice,but as of late..foh I'm a man my voice is louder so either stfu & listen or there's the door...No more games FOH ✊🏽If you let them they will go down this path to ad auseam & things will stay the same..just too be right & they love it!!
I don’t think it’s her job I agree with Q and Melanie if someone shows you who you are believe them. It’s JR and Antons show and they should lead and take control and if her Kay constantly interrupting then don’t invite them back. Simple as that. Why do they want other women to say something especially if they had said something in the past. I think as Melanie said the messages seems to get constantly lost in their show and it always seems like caos and is bickering and it’s annoying.
God logic he went under a different name at the time, but I remember when he 1st started his platform back in 2015 -2016 and he wanted me to be the 1st caller to call into his show and I passed up on the opportunity because of being nervous lol I’m glad to see him rise to the level he is today.
I don't think there is a real problem with the way they all handle themselves, it's just that they all have insecurities that are more post traumatic western civil terrorism induced than anything else.
And I can't stand the fact that Island girls or whatever her name is said she only hold her friends and family accountable but other men are expected to hold people we don't know accountable Walking Up The Strangers in the street and telling them Sage advice. Why is it fair that women can only watch their own but men have ti protect every woman on the street
Melanie’s content is to expose the bad behaviors of modern women so Logic points isn’t invalid. The initial problem was Kay over talking Rilla and not allowing him to finish his point and being disruptive doing so. So for Melanie to create the kind of content she creates and for her to respond in such a passive way it was very head scratching.
I am not familiar with Melodie. But she definitely strikes me as being the kind of woman who would hold other women accountable. Perhaps what Melodie should have said is I am a guest and I do not think I should attempt to moderate how others behave here.
Melony King took the passive aggressive approach to this. As a woman trying be feminine and remain in her feminine frame. She wants to approach this in passively aggressive way or passive way without the aggression instead of being direct. I look at it as logic and Melony just approached the holding Kay accountable in different ways.
That's BS there are three other women on that panel and they're not checking her for her action. And they are being disingenuous. AntonDaniels said it quit well 20:23
Ohhh we don't need to change people...🤔isn't change the point of the show..🙄😏😔more proof we're fkn doomed...WSP called Willie Lynch and just like he said 500 yrs later it's still blossoming in full effect..🤔 ✌'s
Some of these so-called discussions panels are so damn childish. Why are so many people not good listeners? All of this cutting people off when they are trying to make a point just does not make sense!
Melanies problem is she wants it both ways. Personally this is a niche that she is working and involved in but she is not here to actually push through to a solution. Not judging her but thats what I have observed. This is important because alot of men saw how all of a sudden a whole bunch of female channels popped up once kevin blew up. Alot of it is more for an established market then it is to solve a problem. So wen the sausage making process of callingit out in real time people see that well you are not really about that action. I have seen her hold women accountable even on this show but its more so when she is over it and no in a way of being very productive.
Imma keep this 💯… I liked Melanie when she first came out, but I was always suspect there may be a bit of a chameleon there. I don’t think that she is for certain (yet) but I’ve noticed her content lately seems kind of all over the place. Movie Reviews…. Constantly talking about how or if she’ll edit stuff… On IG posting some pics that seem a little thirst trap like… etc; I get it… She’s trying to find her niche that will work for her since she is newer, but with that said, it doesn’t surprise me that on this video she seemed at times confused and almost trying not to say something that would cost her viewers. Time will tell as far as what her content ends up becoming. I’ve seen a few comments saying later on in another part of the show that this clip comes from, Melanie holds them accountable. Problem for Melanie is, several content creators have reviewed only this part of the show in the past day, so for whatever reasons, if Melanie eventually held them accountable no one whom hasn’t seen that part of the show knows that. It’ll be interesting to see how or if Melanie responds to this clip going around. Thanks Rivah for the insightful content/commentary.
Real Advice wouldnt shock me, ive found only a few woman who aren’t chameleons that care about mens issues and ironically they are all either open anti feminists or MRA’s.
There are not 2 sides to what some of us Black Men are saying now. You have never asked but we are telling you now what we think & what we want , no exceptions. If a man calls out a woman then we are branded toxic but now we don't care & will say it because we have woken up to the fact that we are not the problem & have other options. We are telling you that if women continue not to hold other women accountable to fix a problem created by women then many men will simply walk on by as we do have other options. Women who see the wrong & choose not to hold or show accountability should not be complaining at the well documented results and blaming men as many of us have & will simply move on now as we no longer care. Talk is cheap .. actions spek louder than words , i not longer care what you say but watch what you do.
The thing is everyone is placed into a general box and everyone is not cookie cutter. I believe in respect from both women and men. Unfortunately, too many people on both sides are disrespectful but have the nerves to command respect. I watched a video of a man who said that he married a woman from another country. I guarantee he pays ALL of the household bills and he’s not asking her for 50/50. Therefore, she’s able to rest in her femininity. I had to do a full breakdown for my husband because he’s Black American and I’m Latina. My dad paid ALL of the household bills and my mom was able to rest in her femininity. Both my parents are from another country. My husband tried the 50/50 thing and it didn’t work well. I’m not doing the Roommate Husband thing whatsoever. Now my husband can easily come home and relax without dealing with an angry wife.
This accountability word has been overused and taken out of context. Accountability has repercussions not just calling someone out. Either kick Kay off the show or stop calling her out.
Melanie is being quite disingenuous in this video... She was being passive in holding Kay accountable. Her videos are CLEARLY hold women to the fire. Now Melanie is looking like a Chameleon right now
Hold on. So Rivah you're saying that even though her answer is different from what she actually says on her videos we should accept her answer in the moment?
The men are wasting there time we feminist women on this panel to the point of giving folks headache. That woman is wrong period, she just won't admit. Stay ignorant.
I got to disagree with you on that one, because you yourself said you saw her for a Lil bit and thought her format was holding women accountable I can't recall any other type of content on her channel I am someone who seen a lot of her videos. I think that answer was very disingenuous on her part she should have said to what degree instead but not totally. But instead she responded like she knew nothing about what he talked about when that is 95% of your content. This show an KS is the meat of her reviews
Accountability is black womens kryptonite... bobbing and weaving, beating around the bush.. Makin excuses, is in their DNA.. everything but holding their fellow females accountable.. grab your passports fellas.. the sisterhood is strong..
Sometimes the best way to win an argument, is not to say nothing.
True
*not participate or say nothing. Double negatives cancel themselves out.
Women hate that!!!
I swear. I literally be quiet and let her talk until she’s out of breath. Then I leave 😂
I love Melanie but thank God Logic called her out for this.
This is true, he’s right.
She should stay off that show
@@Popoutrockout I was thinking the same thing this can't help her she going to lose the man that she did gain with them thinking she is a chameleon
She definitely shifted the goal post because she was backed into a corner wit that question
@@thebonecollections4478 she’s no different than the rest. Just more soft spoken and attractive same as dneka Marie.
Rivah: "She has to go all the way until she can finally finish her point."
Me: She rarely makes a point. Her thing is to play devil's advocate for the sake of playing devil's advocate, even when there's no defendant. It's quite juvenile.
She's one of the main reasons I don't watch these discussions, she has nothing to say most of the time
I can’t watch because of Kay either but look how all the women including Rivah protecting Kay from the men holding her accountable
@@Mindgame-2020 I agree i find it odd that they are defending her and she's the biggest antagonistic person there.
Melanie just destroyed herself.
This PROVES that So-Called Black Traditional Women are not willing to check other women EVEN when they're inside their spere Smdh
Please elaborate 🙏🏽
Nah.... Courtney used to go for their heads 🤣🤣🤣
Rivah you agreed with the women that the men were “beating a dead horse”. So in other words leave her alone she’s not going to change..so don’t hold her accountable.
18:09 ladies is not about moving on or agreeing to disagree aka sweeping stuff under the rug. ITS ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING AND LEARNING!!! Females don’t openly say it but they HATE to learn anything involving them.
I think they hate learn anything that may run contrary to thought process or their "feeling"..
This is V E R Y true
its a mindset. Alot of people in debates (especially women) dont like the IDEA of losing anything lol alot of these conversations its hard for them to admit theyre wrong. Kay knew damn well she was wrong thats why she switched up the narrative and made it be about a podcast. Thats why they'll move and cling to the goalpost 90%. She got the message in 2 different tones from both men and women. She simply didnt want to "lose".
Haven't seen a single lady on that show
This absolutely insane to me. Kay is sitting here arguing because the men are telling her she's wrong. Like Rivah said she gotta go all the way around until she makes her point. She rarely has a point.
That is one of the main reasons that I stopped watching that show. You literally can’t hear what different people are saying because Kay cuts everyone off and J.R. refuses to silence her.
I did for the same reason, Kay and Anton was getting out of hand to me
Melanie said she doesn't make videos to hold women accountable b'cuz she knew the heat was about to reign on her.
The downside is...
Going forward she will be labeled a hypocrite if she continues to make videos holding women accountable while her actions prove otherwise.
I’m starting to believe as a man that we can’t trust sum women in the Mano sphere. And women don’t even hold each other accountable plus talking all these right things for men but men be careful with these charlmeon. Don’t be fool with their looks. Melanie kings really exposed her self that why she don’t.
That’s why I never subbed to her she is a chameleon with a pretty face that’s it
@@INC823 I don’t believe rivah isn’t holding Melanie accountable. It can’t be two side for nothing
Great way to put it, "proved his point while he was making his point." Great observation.
A lot of women are all talk. They may say they understand men and want to work with us, but their actions show otherwise. Always judge a woman based off her actions instead of what she says.
Exactly! You don't have to argue to hold someone accountable. Not holding eachother accountable as black women is the reason we're in this rut we're in now.
Rivah. No!! Melanie's content is about holding women accountable! There are not 2 sides to this coin! Melanie chickened out!!!! The question caught her off guard so she lied!!!!!
I thought the same, I've watching Melanie's content, she definitely chose the sisterhood as if viewers wouldn't stop and question, she straight got caught, actually curious if her subs are going to drop off after that
I didn’t watch her channel though so I didn’t have facts to stand on , I only had my assumptions
All of her content is holding women accountable. I've been watching her for a while. Now that she is "saying" she is not is extremely suspicious. If she isn't creating content to hold women accountable what perspective is she coming from?
This show is pretty easy to figure out, Kay and Kayla are the Comic Book Villains. All throughout the explanation by others, Kay was enjoying herself while people were indirectly saying that she is a lost cause. To normal people that would be insulting but not her. Also, look at how Kayla was so disinterested in the whole thing, not because the topic was off the rails but because it wasn't about her. These 2 if they had any self-respect would never do the show but they enjoy the negativity. Things don't get accomplished because they just build their defenses stronger and stronger. While Anton is a complete dick, so you have the Joker and the Penguin killing each other and Batman is sick at home with Corona.
LOL !! OMG. LOVE IT..
Love is a battle field my man…er… yea… person
This is pretty accurate. They enjoy the negativity and love when the spotlight and attention is on them.
BRAVO with the comic book analogy. A perfect and entertaining summary of where that channel sadly appears to be headed.
Very strange but telling why Melanie reacted this way. I'm surprised as well as the other guys on the panel were also... If all of us didn't expect her to react in that way most likely she's being disengenuos. Maybe she only reacts different on her channel towards situations like this because she just want the subs🤷🏾♂️
See the thing about this. I have brought up the cutting off thing to them multiple times. Wait maybe like twice. 😂And that was enough for me, because it was more talking then listening from their end. I feel we address this cutting off thing with the K’s every show. They ain’t gonna change they stance on it. Lol. So I’m for sure not wasting my energy with people don’t listen. Lol
Melanie ain't being real in this video and I'm really disappointed...
She never was she is doing this and preying on men who just see a pretty face and a nice body I am sad that the manosphere allows women just to show up and sit down and do the same bullshit they been doing
It's very rude to overtalk someone in a conversation. Kay is way to combative.
Melanie was being disingenuous, Rivah not calling Melanie out is disingenuous-Period!! I don't care what she says her channel is about, I've watched (Knew she was a fraud from day one) and she's always talking about holding women accountable. Rivah is doing exactly what Rilla and Anton were calling out.
That’s true but I don’t think Rivah is obligated to call out this situation she didn’t get the whole context this is just a clip. But those of us who saw Melanie saw this acting but it is crazy when it comes face to face women stay away from accountability
I got there eventually. For me, it is her posting of Thirst Trap photos and how she angles the camera to show off the twins with those sweaters on. I actually got a response from her when I called her out and she said that women can never win with men like me. She knows full well that her audience is mostly men and she does elementary things to get her viewership up. Clear fraud.
I can’t lie about something I haven’t watched though , I have to be honest with you guys.
@@RivahTV. come on, she puts those breasts on Front Street. If you have seen one video or picture, you have seen them all. They are nice and yummy but I know when I am being manipulated. And if she is willing to do that with her appearance then it is not a stretch to question the authenticity of her philosophy.
@@RivahTV. I feel you Rivah you do hold women accountable I believe you didn’t have the whole context but you do have to be careful reacting to just the clips
There's a proper way to have a conversation interrupting someone every 5 seconds because you don't want to hear what they have to say is not the way to go
People just want to be right so bad that they’re willing to just be loud and wrong
No..Its people like Kay That fits this particular narrative of being (Late Loud and Wrong)..
The reason Melanie's reaction seems conflicted is because on her show there is a one way conversation. Her content is her speaking from her perspective. On this show, there is a back and forth...and tension. She is avoiding the conflict. Dealing with an aggressive woman is just like dealing with a man, there is a low level threat of violence, lol.
But of course!
I’m like this but my dad had me prioritize righteousness and logic it’s been WOW lol
She's also a fraud. Just a bold face liar and Chameleon.
Its so many people having this same convo you'd think an understanding would've been reached by now. But men nor women understand what a Relationship is
We know she is wrong but just be ok with it!!
Mr Logic definitely called her out on the BS, see this is the stuff you see from a typical modern woman!!!!
I stopped watching this show. Keeping my peace! RESPECT sista
Anton is correct. One of the issues is that there are no real consequences for this misbehavior by Kay. 1) Rivah's assessment is in error with respect to Melanie. 2) Melanie's logic is also in error. A significant part of Melanie's content is self-evident in its holding women accountable. It doesn't matter if she denies it. 3) Men who know better will see a woman like Kay and run. Then, they will run faster.
Melanie is the example of how women don't like being accountable, she knew damn well she has content were she holds women accountable but straight up lied cause she knew logic was about to checkmate her. And kay hurt's the quality of the show the panel and audience is fed up with her constant Interruptions so Melanie was wrong for being passive.
Queen Rivah. You always keep it 1000.
Kayla literally only chimes in to take a dig at Anton and disrespect him. I've seen her cam up out of nowhere to throw a shot. She has devolved into the personification of what the manosphere talk about.
Rivah we need you back on one of their Thursday shows man
Kay NEEDS to gooooo 🤦🏿♂️
Here is the problem with "agree to disagree" it's nonsensical, and part of the reason why men and women can't have these conversations. Women love to think they are like men but their nature is adverse to confrontation, where as men have no problems with direct confrontation. Women "agree to disagree" to avoid confrontation and expect men to go along with it. Not only that, Agree to disagree is the female way to completely avoid admitting fault or a mistake, it's the ultimate accountability pass. Women love saying that because their sign language is so god damned strong they expect us to just accept it.
Look at the context of this, they are 7-8 people having a discussion, and the women are saying they should just agree to disagree, meaning to agree to allow one of them to bully the conversation anytime she sees fit because she can't exhibit any sort of self control or consideration for the other participants in the discussion. The panel is just supposed to be like. " Yeah it's rude as hell she keeps over talking everyone , but that's just how she is, let's agree to disagree to her behavior be let's not so a damn thing to stop it."
Let's be real, the appropriate response is to tell her , If she can't control herself don't come back. That's how men deal with men and how men should deal with these women. So no we don agree to disagree, control yourself or get lost.
Men don't agree to disagree, because when it comes down to it, you have to be willing to fight to defend your point, and if you're not willing to fight, you take the L.
Agree to disagree means, "I'm not going to win and I'm not willing to admit defeat but we aren't going to fight so this is how we will resolve it."
@@lamario Agreeing to disagree means, "I no longer wish to invest energy in trying to convince you to see my perspective"
Your explanation is pretty dramatic.
@@p51424 War is literally fighting someone who doesn't share your views or opinions. It's not flattering, but once communication starts to breakdown with men, physically defending your point of view is how we come to a resolution. Women don't take things to this point, so they agree to disagree.
It's not dramatic, it's extreme.
I agree with u, what gets me is they don't use agree to disagree with men. A Anton made Q feel it.
No no no no NO!!! Melanie is cool BUT we are NOT gonna let her of the hook!!! Logic is 100 percent CORRECT about her and her content! She has more than enough content strictly about holding women accountable! SHE HAS SAID IT HERSELF! Anton and Logic called a woman out and as usual another woman tries to redirect (Melanie did this in her udual sweet way and tone) but lets not defend Kay when it's ALWAYS Kay being disruptive, disrespectful and overtalking the whole panel. Kay deserves NO defense!
Ms. Melanie DOES indeed say on her channel(MULTIPLE TIMES)...She holds women accountable...So Logic was right & he later draws that out of Ms. King who atones by going in on Kay...Must watch(Instant classic)...Trust! 🤣
I genuinely haven’t seen any of her videos, so I couldn’t speak on it
@@RivahTV. Understood
@@RivahTV. You haven’t watched her content but you are speaking on it in this video. So are you going to retract your statement after you watch her content?
Rivah if you have not watched her content you can't make that assertion. But you missed when logic said I heard you say it,I watch her content and have heard her say it so I'm shocked Melanie said no when you have videos.
Logic even gave the title about holding women accountable yet Rivah ignored that and sided with Melanie. These Trojan horses’ true colors come out eventually…anybody remember Courtney??
You are absolutely right Tony Helm. I have watched some of her contents too. She lied because she don't want to verbally abuse by other the other women.
Anton brought up a good point. They be quick to confront a man about bad behavior and go on and on about it, but when it's a woman bad behavior they try to brush pass it..Anton saying have the say energy when it comes to men. Just brush pass it🤷🏾♂️
And another thing ms rivah they have another video where Melanie holds Kay accountable about black men
*Kayla gatty go bruh... she is destroying the quality of the show.*
To weigh in on what you said at about 13:59, Melanie King does emphasize the accountability k women in her videos. If she’s backtracking now then she’s got no credibility to discuss these issues anymore
To be honest I dont watch them primarily because of the Kaye lady. To me its too much arguing back and forth it gives me a headache before I can get to their point. I see they got Melanie on there now. Nothings changed, lol.
Same, I stopped looking at any of the clips because this show seems more focused on just rambling and arguing instead of actually debating and digesting different perspectives. It's annoying and I honestly can't see how they've kept this going.
I don't like when ppl try to over talk me like i let you rant for 10mins now its my turn & they keep going i just shut up & let em talk to themselves & when they done & be like "You not gone say nothing? I be like sh*t i stopped listening 20mins ago i been done talking 😂.
I still can't believe she's a teacher
And she has some fictitious man
Women REFUSE to hold other women accountable. It is pathetic and it doesn't help them, so their results are self-inflicted.
Good point about the just meeting thing with Melanie 🤙🏽
Wow! No man of any other community would say shit like this!
Women tend to derail conversations with their Logic. In order to keep the Convo going on the right tracks its important to remind them not to go off on a Tangent
There’s no saving Kay. Don’t waste your time.
Her content is that... She apologized and said she capped.
When did she apologize? In another Lapeef video ?
Melanie's answer to Logic's question was VERY telling, I let go a lot of things through the stream bc 1 the vibes was very off bc of Kay's mouf. 2 it's a live and she could be nervous. And 3 she's probably not use to this type of environment, like a loud cookout type environment. But when she said No she doesn't hold women accountable all trust was lost. I'm not ready to call her a chameleon but she definitely gets the side eye. 🤨
She was helping Kay with her delusion.
The women on this panel are the most confrontational, masculine and wrong til they die women!
Blessings Rivah
What is it with some of these combative Women trying to control how the Convo goes down??? 🤔🤔🤨🤨 Mister Logic doesn't play Games. He came with an Infrared beam and Scope. 😁😁😁👊👊👏👏
Woman is not meant to understand but to love once you fully acknowledge that you can never trust them
Melanie is wildinnnnn fam 🤣🤣
Sick world bro
This show played out like a blend of HOLLY WOOD SQUARES MEETS AS THE WORLD TURNS 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤨
LOL !!!.. I like that one.
Your first point was great about Rilla being interrupted by Kay. She does it often.
They still need out protection just some of them aren't intelligent enough to realize it
Gotta push back Rivah, Melanie content is INDEED about holding women accountable. She’s lying right now.
20:20 Kay: “I don’t understand what who what?”
Us: We don’t understand either smh
Yep and thats why they always die no protection women are ment to be protected if you can protect yo self then you can handle what ever happens to you
This what happens to women who never had anything leading up to, and during slavery, then when white women feminism came the black women grabbed it and never turned back.
Women try to use men's tone to run,disrupt and deflect from the truth that's coming because the hate accountability...I've had to stop hunderds of time's in different conversation throughout my life to address this & I use too have patience & stop lower my voice,but as of late..foh I'm a man my voice is louder so either stfu & listen or there's the door...No more games FOH ✊🏽If you let them they will go down this path to ad auseam & things will stay the same..just too be right & they love it!!
All 4 of these women have pretty faces but look at the difference in energy. Fellas got to do a better job to look past the flesh
Kay gonna be forever single 😭😭
They’ll start a conversation and then it’ll take a long time to even know what the hell they’re even talking about
I don’t think it’s her job I agree with Q and Melanie if someone shows you who you are believe them. It’s JR and Antons show and they should lead and take control and if her Kay constantly interrupting then don’t invite them back. Simple as that. Why do they want other women to say something especially if they had said something in the past. I think as Melanie said the messages seems to get constantly lost in their show and it always seems like caos and is bickering and it’s annoying.
God logic he went under a different name at the time, but I remember when he 1st started his platform back in 2015 -2016 and he wanted me to be the 1st caller to call into his show and I passed up on the opportunity because of being nervous lol I’m glad to see him rise to the level he is today.
...Come oNN RiveJ..🤦🏾 you DIDN'T see Her Saying NO, coming? 🤔 SO SHE CAN'T BE WRONG..is WHY she said NO
I don't think there is a real problem with the way they all handle themselves, it's just that they all have insecurities that are more post traumatic western civil terrorism induced than anything else.
Channels that are designed to hold women accountable, have a majority male presence.. that’s interesting 🤔
And I can't stand the fact that Island girls or whatever her name is said she only hold her friends and family accountable but other men are expected to hold people we don't know accountable Walking Up The Strangers in the street and telling them Sage advice. Why is it fair that women can only watch their own but men have ti protect every woman on the street
@Politically incorrect sound about right
Melanie’s content is to expose the bad behaviors of modern women so Logic points isn’t invalid. The initial problem was Kay over talking Rilla and not allowing him to finish his point and being disruptive doing so. So for Melanie to create the kind of content she creates and for her to respond in such a passive way it was very head scratching.
I am not familiar with Melodie. But she definitely strikes me as being the kind of woman who would hold other women accountable.
Perhaps what Melodie should have said is I am a guest and I do not think I should attempt to moderate how others behave here.
Melony King took the passive aggressive approach to this. As a woman trying be feminine and remain in her feminine frame. She wants to approach this in passively aggressive way or passive way without the aggression instead of being direct. I look at it as logic and Melony just approached the holding Kay accountable in different ways.
Logic held Melanie accountable witch made Melanie hold kay accountable.
Just say she is wrong
That's BS there are three other women on that panel and they're not checking her for her action. And they are being disingenuous. AntonDaniels said it quit well 20:23
Ohhh we don't need to change people...🤔isn't change the point of the show..🙄😏😔more proof we're fkn doomed...WSP called Willie Lynch and just like he said 500 yrs later it's still blossoming in full effect..🤔 ✌'s
Some of these so-called discussions panels are so damn childish. Why are so many people not good listeners? All of this cutting people off when they are trying to make a point just does not make sense!
Melanies problem is she wants it both ways. Personally this is a niche that she is working and involved in but she is not here to actually push through to a solution. Not judging her but thats what I have observed. This is important because alot of men saw how all of a sudden a whole bunch of female channels popped up once kevin blew up. Alot of it is more for an established market then it is to solve a problem. So wen the sausage making process of callingit out in real time people see that well you are not really about that action. I have seen her hold women accountable even on this show but its more so when she is over it and no in a way of being very productive.
I honestly don't understand why they keep having Kay on this show smh. She is so annoying 🙄 😒 they just need to boot her off 🙄 if you ask me
Rivah can you go on fresh and fit or nah not your scene? I think you would be a fresh voice
Shut up. And hold this L for watching F&F
But he said he could show videos of her content about holdin women accountable wtf....
Imma keep this 💯… I liked Melanie when she first came out, but I was always suspect there may be a bit of a chameleon there. I don’t think that she is for certain (yet) but I’ve noticed her content lately seems kind of all over the place. Movie Reviews…. Constantly talking about how or if she’ll edit stuff… On IG posting some pics that seem a little thirst trap like… etc;
I get it… She’s trying to find her niche that will work for her since she is newer, but with that said, it doesn’t surprise me that on this video she seemed at times confused and almost trying not to say something that would cost her viewers. Time will tell as far as what her content ends up becoming.
I’ve seen a few comments saying later on in another part of the show that this clip comes from, Melanie holds them accountable. Problem for Melanie is, several content creators have reviewed only this part of the show in the past day, so for whatever reasons, if Melanie eventually held them accountable no one whom hasn’t seen that part of the show knows that.
It’ll be interesting to see how or if Melanie responds to this clip going around.
Thanks Rivah for the insightful content/commentary.
Yeah, I noticed all of these same things about her.
Melanies a chameleon when she feels attacked. Seen it personally before she blew up
D'Nieka is a chameleon also
Real Advice wouldnt shock me, ive found only a few woman who aren’t chameleons that care about mens issues and ironically they are all either open anti feminists or MRA’s.
There are not 2 sides to what some of us Black Men are saying now. You have never asked but we
are telling you now what we think & what we want , no exceptions. If a man calls out a woman then we are branded toxic
but now we don't care & will say it because we have woken up to the fact that we are not the problem & have other options.
We are telling you that if women continue not to hold other women accountable to fix a problem created by women then many men
will simply walk on by as we do have other options. Women who see the wrong & choose not to hold or show accountability should not
be complaining at the well documented results and blaming men as many of us have & will simply move on now as we no longer care.
Talk is cheap .. actions spek louder than words , i not longer care what you say but watch what you do.
The thing is everyone is placed into a general box and everyone is not cookie cutter. I believe in respect from both women and men. Unfortunately, too many people on both sides are disrespectful but have the nerves to command respect.
I watched a video of a man who said that he married a woman from another country. I guarantee he pays ALL of the household bills and he’s not asking her for 50/50. Therefore, she’s able to rest in her femininity.
I had to do a full breakdown for my husband because he’s Black American and I’m Latina. My dad paid ALL of the household bills and my mom was able to rest in her femininity. Both my parents are from another country. My husband tried the 50/50 thing and it didn’t work well. I’m not doing the Roommate Husband thing whatsoever. Now my husband can easily come home and relax without dealing with an angry wife.
This accountability word has been overused and taken out of context. Accountability has repercussions not just calling someone out. Either kick Kay off the show or stop calling her out.
Melanie is being quite disingenuous in this video... She was being passive in holding Kay accountable. Her videos are CLEARLY hold women to the fire. Now Melanie is looking like a Chameleon right now
Hold on. So Rivah you're saying that even though her answer is different from what she actually says on her videos we should accept her answer in the moment?
Kay is a die hard feminist
The men are wasting there time we feminist women on this panel to the point of giving folks headache. That woman is wrong period, she just won't admit. Stay ignorant.
And everytime I watch one of these videos and I see these ladies do this all the time do you always have to have the last word
Come on rivah she said nope but she have videos than she said how she say it
Need a mute button
I got to disagree with you on that one, because you yourself said you saw her for a Lil bit and thought her format was holding women accountable I can't recall any other type of content on her channel I am someone who seen a lot of her videos. I think that answer was very disingenuous on her part she should have said to what degree instead but not totally. But instead she responded like she knew nothing about what he talked about when that is 95% of your content. This show an KS is the meat of her reviews
Are any of these advice givers professional? Seems like someone is trying to take up where Kevin Samuels left off.