Star Wars: Why Darth Vader Was Right (And Had a Secret Plan to Save the Galaxy)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Darth Vader is one of the all-time greatest villains of all time--or is he? With the benefit of the prequels and the Clone Wars series, we know why Anakin chose to become Darth Vader--and it was always to accomplish good. Yes, he committed reprehensible, unforgivable sins. But to gully understand the character, you have to study the context of his actions. When you step back and look at Anakin's life, you see that his goals were noble, but his means were terrible.
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When do you think Anakin became irredeemable?
Wow
yes
* spelling error "gully"...assuming you meant "fully"
I don't think he was ver irreedeemable and I think that's the point. You'll allaways have time to change. Kinda like the point on Logan. "You still have time". For me Vader was allways a good guy in heart, regreting everthing he has ever done, but not knowing how he could do any better.
I always felt it was too big of a rush between his "fall" and his horrible deeds right after. To me him doing truly horrible deeds would have felt more "real" after he got burned and left for dead by Obi Wan
Anakin: I don't sleep well anymore.
Obi Wan: because of your mother?
Anakin: because of your mother
savage
Yooooo
Every villain is the hero of their own story.
Well said!
Maybe expect the Joker, he enjoys being the bad guy
@@LoneWolf677 the hero releasing ppl from their life as a comic book character and with a laugh and smile as they depart. He knows hes a comic book character and wants to either prove it or end it all or get rich and powerful and just have fun while he can.
No, every villain is the protagonist of their own story. Some villains know that they're bad, others are misguided.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
The murdering the kids has allways hit different for me. I cant't help of thinking that little boy looking so similar to Jake Loyd was no coincidence. It was a metaphor, like he was actually killing the young Anakin. Also, by the look on his face when he does it, seems to me that he was just "protecting" those kids. Like a quick death was just better then being forced to join the dark side or being totured to death by palpatine.
Bruh I just thought that scene was funny
They not only found a kid that looked like Jake Lloyd, he even had the same stilted delivery 😂
@Mr Glass now that's a bummer LOL. Talk about looking too much into things 😂
Obiwan to Luke. “This is your father’s lightsaber. It’s killed a-lot of children.”
@@BrunoSarlas Not at all. It doesn't change anything for me.. Whether or not it was intentional is besides the point. The metaphor works, regardless.
The "Ray Palpatine all along" line was just to enfuriate everyone! :-D Well played...
That may have been the intent, but for me, it just left me sad thinking of those poor additions to SW cannon. Here's to hoping those are written out.
I know this video is a year old, but it was such good rage bait, that I had to come down here and add to the comments and say "well played, very well played" :)
Charles Soule's current comic series is doing a good job of showing the torture Palpatine used to crush Vader and keep him in line.
The rule of 2 is really the rule of number 2 overthrowing number 1 (you are, Number 6), so Palps has to both stifle that and be proud that his apprentice is trying to overthrow him.
@@tbx59 it's all about the punctuation
Yes it's pretty great.
You need to separate all these comics and books from George Lucas's Star Wars. None of that has any influence over his creation.
"When I said other people could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one.
They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." - George Lucas 2005
@@JackRipper8881 That is true, but the post-purchase fiction is all officially canon, sayeth The Mouse.
Jedi have a code that forbids attachment, and then they pair young children with life-long mentors. Yeah… that makes sense.
Catholic Priests in Space
@@LuxInvidious 😳
"Ironic."
"Life-long?" yeah nah
@@mouseshadow5828 for those in order 66, yes. „Life-long“😂
"Han shot first." Actually, no. Han was the only one to shoot. Greedo was dead before he knew what happened. ~End rant
That doesn't look as good on a T-shirt tho does it.
All the Hayden scenes have more meaning, and his acting when pared with the explanation feels stronger, as if his acting was to convey those feelings.
His acting still sucked.
@@adamjones-ps why did they write him to be so whiny? Also his character arc was so off then rushed I don't think the actor ever had a chance man
There's another video by Star Wars Theory where he discusses a book about the early SW days, showing quotes from George Lucas, referring to himself as the king of wooden dialog. In those quotes, Lucas explains how he uses dialog the same way he uses music and sound effects. He puts more value on what he considers to be the way a scene feels as a whole and seeing what he wants to have communicated, disregarding the acting quality or realistic dialog, etc.
@@savageshot3723 You guys are the biggest whiners ever. 🙄
he got a lot of flack for his ''whining child acting'' - and I was among those critics of him as well, but exactly like you said, when you drive into the lore so deep, like I have really been enjoying, and understand what the character was, ie the child, then into the Jedi, then the loss, the fear of loss of his love that drove him to the dark, etc etc - yeah hat off to him he done an amazing job.
Vader IS Star Wars to me. It was unfortunate Anakin did not make an appearance somehow in episode IX other than a voice over.
It should have happened - Disney sucks.
Because Disney hates Prequels.
No need to taint his image by associating him with that mess. As far as Im concerned it was just a quick force vision Luke had after picking up Grogu.
@@griveouswithhislightsabers3665 The prequels sucked as quality films but they had heart and personality that the new trilogy failed to have :/
@Giovanni Roman How is his opinion a lie?
"Anakin, why did you kill those younglings?!"
"It's a surprise tool which will help us later"
"to be sure, but not a welcome one!"
"Thanos did nothing wrong"
Vader: "Hold my blue milk"
Vader did kill a few people, but not half the universe :)
@@jochenstacker7448 The thing is BOTH Vader and Thanos WERE RIGHT.
Rey Palpatine is the single most embarrassing character in modern fiction. For many generations onward she will be the living embodiment of everything NOT to do with a franchise character. In that sense, I do feel bad for Daisy Ridley.
Darth Sidious calling Vader during the siege of the Jedi temple.
Sidious: Lord Vader while you're there collect all the younglings, we can turn and train them to become sith inquisitors!
...............YOU DID WHAAAAT?!!!!!!
But Palps put those visions of Padme in his head and manipulated him into causing them. Wanted him to stop her death by causing her death
Palpatine played Vader like a puppet. He was a master at mental manipulation!
Nope anakin was the chosen one he had the power to see the future easier and everything he saw actually happened
@@sohrab4371 yes it happened, but it was a self-fulfilling prophecy
That was largely rumored that Palpatine did that. I wouldn't put it past him, either.
That’s a weak theory. Palpatine at best reinforced Anakins fear by offering a solution. Anakin ALWAYS had visions of the future. And the future can always be changed. Anakin seen a possible future and Palms led his down the path that made that possible future become a reality.
Palme dying was almost a self fulfilling prophecy. If he hadn’t given into his nightmares and been easily manipulated Palme would have been fine.
Yea but the war would've kept on and the Jedi wouldn't realize their folly.
it's not hypocritical to learn you were wrong and change...good grief
From someone who lives in Dayton, OH Ryan liking the Reds might be the best part of these videos in a long long time
He was always the chosen one destined to destroy the sith and the Jedi and so he did.
And thus bring balance to the Force. Be wary of prophecies, they might not go the way you expect. Like Thanos,he did bring the force into balance. "Perfectly balanced. As all things should be." “A small price to pay for salvation.”
@@debianswami8204 Dork.
Thank you
It's been canon in my head all along, since playing the alternate ending to the RotS game, that Anakin wanted to kill Palpatine from the beginning. Vader turned on everything and everyone he knew on the promise to save Padme, and then Padme died. So, that plus the rule of two of the sith, makes it seem more sensible to me that Vader wanted to kill Palpatine, but couldn't. Why couldn't he? Well, Palpatine bested the best Jedi, Anakin/Vader always felt inferior in terms of power, and now that he was in a mechanical life preserving suit and his master could essentially shock him to death, there was no way to overpower the emperor. Unless, someone uniquely strong in the force, in the prime of his/her life came along. And that's why he offered Luke to fight against the emperor. Do you think a loyal lap dog would turn that easy for a son that he never knew or raised? No, but a disloyal, unwilling servant would jump at the first opportunity to kill the one person that ruined everything for him.
When ROTS came out, Lucas did an interview in Rolling Stone and said (IIRC): Anakin is potentially 120% of Palaptine's power in The Force, but only about 75% after he becomes Vader.
This was quite a deep analysis. Very educational and informative.
0:20 Han was the only one that shot. Greedo never shot. Greedo got shot.
“He must stand trial”, but of course the younglings are guilty punishable by death without a trial.
It all goes back to the line he said to Obi-Wan later... "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil." Mace Windu showed he was no better than the Sith because when it was truly important he threw aside his Jedi code. Mace Windu lost himself to his fear in the end, it just happened to be Anakin's lightsaber (and Palpatine's lightning) that cast him down from the heights Jedi claimed to inhabit.
@@justinjohnson9627 Windy was fighting for his life. Just watched Palpstine take out several jedi easily. For all their failures, it is absolutely not true that they were just as bad. Anakin killed a helpless Dooku and how many innocents later on. He didn't care about Jedi code when he tried to stop windu, it was about using Palpatine to help padme. He already knew that palpatine had been using him and manipulating both sides in the war. Windy having a tough moral decision in a life threatening situation is not all like machinations and manipulations and deaths caused by the sitj
Or was he truly saving the younglings from a more gruesome future or death. Left alive Palpatine would’ve used those children for his own desires including experimenting on them as he tried with the stolen younglings.
Thanks for confirming what I’ve been saying to anybody that would listen: the Prequel trilogy is the best trilogy of all the Star Wars movies AND one of the best of all movie trilogies. I said what I said.
And at least they have some continuity.
Maybe only because the story had to end the way it ended to fit the original trilogy
I agree! I love Darth Vader tho, so..biased! 🤷♂️
8:13 "...he just saw 3 Jedi try to overthrow the government." 4 Jedi ignite light sabers in the room... Math!
Well, he actually saw 3 corpses and 1 who was struggling to deflect Force Lightning.
well, that first one was cut down in like half a second so I dunno if you can really call that "trying"
In that counseling scene he all tells him that it’s dangerous to look on the future.
The very end of this video (Leia: 'What!') made my day. Partly because I agree, mostly because you wholeheartedly knew the pot you were stirring, and I love it.
Last monologue part of this video was very well written and said!
I think you've finally hit the last stage of grief and accepted Episode IX
it doesnt exist, just a force vision that didnt come to pass. VII, VIII and IX should all be retconned as such.
I'll believe it when he calls her Rey Skywalker
@@dAeveFellows And the prequels right with it. The whole Jedi fighting in the War and _as generals_ on top of it made absolutely no sense at all. Seriously, in the Clone Wars cartoon, Ki Adi Mundi deploys friggin _flamethrowers_ and not against droids, against the Geonosians!
Agree. When Disney goes bankrupt and sells off Star Wars, whatever studio owns it should come out with its own new Episodes VII, VIII, IX. Just ignore the Disney ones were ever made.
@@peewypeabody4284 I'm sure that was part of Palpatine's plan. Getting them out of their comfort zone to leading a war and twisting their morals so that they're pulled out of their inner balance and becoming vulnerable in their minds and souls, becoming something they once considered as abhorrent. Also that's why they were leading actual people instead of droids. Even if they were clones, they were depicted as human as possible in the animated series, to reinforce the idea that Jedi believes in preserving lives, yet they are leading these clones to almost certain death.
I agree 99,9%, because I think Anakin HAD to make a choice between Windu and Palpatine. He chose the second, but he always knew the chancellor did that for power, not to make the world better. Anakin was just too far gone.
Wow this essay was profoundly poignant addressing many challenging issues facing individuals and societies... all presented superbly via our fav villain / hero. WELL DONE THANK YOU!
Watching this video, I'm noticing that there were SO many strange looking lightsaber hilts used in this era. So many have cross guards in one form or another and one Twi'lek even has a basket hilt, of sorts.
It’s sad that episode 9 undermined the Star Wars saga by having the emperor return and Rey truly defeat him, it felt like Anakin’s ark was meaningless.
hopefully they retcon it in the future since dave filoni has been offically named the creative director of star wars
I absolutely love watching all your videos ( especially all things Star Wars) I’ve seen them all but this is my first time commenting. Ryan, you bring SO much depth and meaning to SW content, i am constantly floored but your perspective and knowledge of lore and story telling. Please keep up the amazing work you’re doing and I’ll make sure to comment more 😉❤️
The slaughter of the Tusken Raiders scene *always* bothered me. That was pure and simple evil, and then everyone just moved on like it was no biggie. You slaughter an entire village out of revenge, you're already on the dark side.
6:40 Are people intentionaly misinterpreting that scene or are they simply not getting it? The meaning of the scene is not "Padme falls in love with Anakin because he murdered a bunch of sand people children", it is "Padme notices Anakins deep sadness and trauma due to the loss of his mother and the violent outbreak it causes and tries to comfort him to overcome his rage and grief and prevent further meltdowns". Its actually pretty obvious.
It’s actually Rey Skywalker, and the reason I accepted her as Rey skywalker is because at the end of the movie her soul is a blend of both Ben solo and Rey Palpatine it’s it’s like the two souls have now merged into the one body therefore while not a blood relative she is an adoptive daughter of the skywalker legacy.
These Jedi shortcomings were rightfully pointed out by Luke in TLJ. So cool to have these ideas developed in the video!
Yup, I abhorred TLJ, but having Luke become disillusioned with the Jedi and try to understand their total failure in the Clone Wars was actually the best part of the plot IMO. How Luke reacted to his disillusionment, however ....
Love that last bit about Rey! Call me crazy but the irony that it all came down to her makes perfect sense. It makes me love this space opera even more.
The killing the younglings thing would have been more palatable if they had written it to where Anakin shows up to the temple with the 501st already there. They have guns drawn on the younglings. Anakin hesitates before they are shot down. This way he doesn't necessarily murder them but he doesn't save them.
Rey Palpatine has nothing to do with the real Star Wars. The so called sequel trilogy is nothing but am alternate universe that has nothing to do with the real Skywalkers.
AGREED
Lol I'll accept it Multiverse 😂😂😂
Feels like The Old school books Had the Real Lore it was GEORGE Lucas Approved lol
@@puertoricanoutlawsgaming
The Star Wars Multiverse
Star Wars has always had a multiverse of continuities:
1.) George Lucas episodes 1 - 6
The G-Canon, & his sequel treatments.
2.) The EU Episodes 1 - 6 plus mirror alternate universe expanded lore from fan writers.
This includes Clone Wars(2003) which was meant to be in between episodes 2 & 3 but fits the EU’s interpretation of the films a lot more then the films themselves.
3.) George & Dave’s new continuity of The G-Canon
Episodes 1 - 6 plus The Clone Wars. (George considers the 2008 Tv show that he worked on with Dave as apart of his continuity since it was made, He felt the same way when the 2003 show was made until he made this one.) but despite George’s view this show while a masterpiece has glaring flaws in continuity errors and narrative errors to both his films, & The EU, it doesn’t even fit the continuity of (2003) two part tv show which I remember the media at the time believing this version to be a continuation of that very show when it started. Even though this was meant to be apart of George’s G-Canon and he had no intentions of fitting it into The EU which he saw as a parallel universe for fans, at the end of the day Filoni (genius Star Wars storyteller) created a lot ideas with his staff in the stories of the show that contradict the continuity & narrative of The Films lore, which is very evident. (As much as I love Dave Filoni for The Clone Wars & Rebels, despite their errors this is the same man that was behind disney Lucasfilm’s backwards direction of Their sequels including Jake Skywalker.)
4.) The New Disney Star Wars continuity at the beginning: Episodes 1 - 6, The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, & Their films and books (With all my gripes behind The D-Canon I got Star Wars Rebels, rogue one , and solo a Star Wars story, despite the various flaws in all three they were the closest to feeling like genuine Star Wars projects.)
UPDATE:
Well it started off with The G-Canon then the multiverse formed as a result of George wanting to create a space for fans to tell their own Star Wars stories.
Star Wars & Indiana Jones work Off a Multiverse Canon systems for their IP’s.
For Star Wars, G-Canon was at the top, In the continuity of this main universe George’s versions of events which started off The Sith, The Jedi and The Republic happen.
"Everybody said, 'Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.' Well, that never happened. That's just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other of, and there wasn't anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he's not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master." So within The G-Canon The Sith ruled the universe two thousand years before The Phantom Menace but they killed each other out of their lust for power and then The Jedi & The Republic formed over the course of that time to build a better time of peace for The Galaxy and The Universe. The events of The Six films happen:
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones
Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith
Star Wars: A New Hope
Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars: Return Of The Jedi
With The (2003) Clone Wars show that was made during the run of The Prequel Trilogy was originally taking place between Episode 2 Attack Of The Clones & Episode 3 Revenge Of The Sith before later being retconned by George Lucas & Dave Filoni with The 2008 TCW (The Clone Wars Show)
Also within The G-Canon is George Lucas’s plans for his sequel trilogy which my project is based on.
T-Canon below it as an Alternate Timeline where the early version of the 2008 TCW show took place before Star Wars was sold to Disney.
EU (Legends) as a whole Parallel/Alternate Universe where all The Old Books, Games , etc take place along with The (2003) Clone Wars Show that used to be apart of The G-Canon but was retconned for the creation of The 2008 (TCW) The Clone Wars Show, and now permanently placed within The EU afterwards.
This is The Pre-Disney Star Wars Hierarchy of Canon.
Aka The Star Wars Multiverse Canon System.
G-CANON:
The Six Star Wars Movies.
T-CANON:
Star Wars The Clone Wars.
C-CANON:
AlI Expanded Universe
Books, Comics, Video Games etc...
S-CANON:
Some Pre-Zahn works and
alternate choices in Video Games.
NON-CANON:
Star Wars Infinities and alternate
endings to Video Games
"Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing
editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history.”
“Our goal is to present a continuous and unifed history of the Star Wars galaxy, in so far as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas's saga of films and screenplays'. Things that Lucas Licensing does not consider official parts of the continuous Star Wars history show an Infinities logo or are contained in Star Wars tales. Everything else is considered canon." Sue Rostoni, Editor at Lucas Licensing
Star Wars Gamer Magazine, Issue #6, July 2001
There are two worlds here," explained Lucas.
"There's my world, which is the movies, and
there's this other world that has been created,
which I say is the parallel universe-
licensing world of the books, games and comic books."
-the
George Lucas, Cinescape, 2002
"I don't read that stuff.
I haven't read any of the novels. I don’t know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it Consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if l come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. "n
- George Lucas, Starlog, August 2005
"But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it."- George Lucas, Flannelled One, Mar. 2008
The Disney Canon is an Alternate Timeline to the events of The G-Canon & The T-Canon when George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, it is where stuff like Star Wars Rebels, The Mandalorian, and those other shows or The Filoni-Verse as I like to call it 😂 😂 😂 & The Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy 🤢 🤮, & and all other Disney Star Wars Products take place. It isn’t just another simple alternate timeline though as Disney decanonized the Star Wars multiverse canon system as we knew it when they bought Star Wars from George Lucas. Disney Lucasfilm created a one timeline system for The Disney Canon where they now do what they do. So now Disney Star Wars is the new current Star Wars Universe that we continue to witness currently in Modern Star Wars products.
Many people don’t want to admit that the canon hierarchy is an extension of The Star Wars Multiverse with George Lucas’s G-Canon films 1-6 being our universe-1 so to speak. Stuff like The T Canon (TCW) being Filoni’s continuity or The Filoniverse , The S Canon or The C Canon (EU) is not just apart of a wider universe but wider multiverse as well.
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't
read any of the novels. I dont
know anything about that world.
That's a different world than my
world. But I do try to keep it
Consistent. The way I do it now is
they have a Star Wars
Encyclopedia. So if l come up with
a name or something else, I look
it up and see if it has already
been used. When I said [other
people] could make their own
Star Wars stories, we decided
that, like Star Trek, we would
have two universes: My universe
and then this other one. They try
to make their universe as
consistent with mine as possible,
but obviously they get
enthusiastic and want to go off in
other directions. "n
- George Lucas, Starlog, August
2005
"But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it."- George Lucas, Flannelled One, Mar. 2008
The Disney Canon is an Alternate Timeline to the events of The G-Canon & The T-Canon when George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, it is where stuff like Star Wars Rebels, The Mandalorian, and those other shows or The Filoni-Verse as I like to call it 😂 😂 😂 & The Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy 🤢 🤮, & and all other Disney Star Wars Products take place. It isn’t just another simple alternate timeline though as Disney decanonized the Star Wars multiverse canon system as we knew it when they bought Star Wars from George Lucas. Disney Lucasfilm created a one timeline system for The Disney Canon where they now do what they do. So now Disney Star Wars is the new current Star Wars Universe that we continue to witness currently in Modern Star Wars products.
Many people don’t want to admit that the canon hierarchy is an extension of The Star Wars Multiverse with George Lucas’s G-Canon films 1-6 being our universe-1 so to speak. Stuff like The T Canon (TCW) being Filoni’s continuity or The Filoniverse , The S Canon or The C Canon (EU) is not just apart of a wider universe but wider multiverse as well.
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't
read any of the novels. I dont
know anything about that world.
That's a different world than my
world. But I do try to keep it
Consistent. The way I do it now is
they have a Star Wars
Encyclopedia. So if l come up with
a name or something else, I look
it up and see if it has already
been used. When I said [other
people] could make their own
Star Wars stories, we decided
that, like Star Trek, we would
have two universes: My universe
and then this other one. They try
to make their universe as
consistent with mine as possible,
but obviously they get
enthusiastic and want to go off in
other directions. "n
- George Lucas, Starlog, August
2005
“There are two worlds here; There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe-the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.”
- George Lucas, Cinescape, July 2001
“Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it’s hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there’s the TV show and then there’s all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn’t have anything to do with each other. So I said, ‘OK, go ahead.’”
- George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007
When people don’t know this or don’t want to accepted a lot of confusion happens in the fandom over what matters and what doesn’t. This isn’t me saying George didn’t care about the EU or that it’s not important this is me filling in the facts, the concept of parallel universes or a multiverse for different specific continuities has been there since the start of the EU so fans can tell their own Star Wars stories while George can tell his own Star Wars stories since he is the head of Star Wars. Disney trying to make this all one timeline and just erasing other Star Wars continuities is contradictory to George’s approach with Star Wars. Fun fact The early Clone Wars that came out before Revenge Of The Sith, Star Wars Clone Wars (2003) by Genndy Tartakovsky was originally apart of The G-Canon because under George’s direction it was meant to explore The Clone Wars at the time, George & Filoni’s TCW was also meant to be an extension of that original show but it ended up just being added to The EU as a Secondary Canon or C Canon over time.
Now this is my more speculation approach To The Star Wars Multiverse with facts and opinions of what happened in it.
The G-Canon which is George’s personal canon is episodes 1-6, his ideas and plans for 7-9 and his ideas of what came before the events of episode 1. Sometimes he includes The TCW(2008) show but while mostly a great masterpiece that show still has its own inconsistencies. He also originally included the (2003) clone wars show back during the run of the prequels and they still match a lot with the continuity of the films so they’re technically still canon but toward the later half of them like TCW has inconsistencies that can’t be un noticed. The EU is Universe Two of The Star Wars Multiverse where all the old iconic Star Wars books, games, and such come from and the events of the 2003 show coexist in this universe as well but the first two universes have a few events that co exist. Star Wars TCW (2008) from the end of season 5 -7 kinda branches off into the Disney canon timeline, as in George’s original vision Ahsoka would’ve died in Order 66, furthering Anakin’s fall to the Darkside so that happened in The G-Canon but in Pre Disney Canon when George was about to sell Star Wars To Disney Filoni made Ahsoka a survival arc because he was in the Ahsoka lives camp. Their are a few other things which cause inconsistencies by the end of season 5 to season 7 but I won’t get into that. That alternate timeline which lead to The Disney Canon continued with Star Wars Rebels and later Star Wars Resistance leading to the infamous Disney trilogy (famous if you like it.) So yeah we have three main universes. G-Canon, EU , & Disney Canon and a multitude of minor alternate timelines inbetween all of them.
Very nteresting and thought filled analysis. All things politic can be shown to have some form of logic and morality. Justification and rationality via examples regardless of how convoluted and twisted the explanations may be can be made to seem righteous. Well done Ryan.
We created this series and subsequently the force. We, the people of this world dictate what the will of the force is. Because it's a story, the will of the force is to make a good story. The name of the series is Star WARS. If there is no war, it's not a story about Star Wars.
We are the greatest threat to the galaxy. The monster. Worse than any Sith Lord or any Emperor could ever dream of being.
Anakin kinda had to kill the younglings to sleep himself deepr into the dark side. Such an atrocious action would bringer him closer to the Dark.
Thanks for the update
I agree with everything you said except the part about Rey Palpatine … As Darth might say: “Those sequel films no longer have any meaning to me.”
This was an excellent analysis and a delightful surprise. Well argued.
This video was so good up until the final seconds when he mentioned Rey 😂
Your videos about Star Wars are brilliant. Please continue doing this kind of videos. EXCELLENT!!! A+
Excellent video @ScreenCrush! Thanks a lot for the clever writing on this!
that’s the problem with the sequels bc anakin was the chosen one and did being peace to the galaxy and balance to the force but bringing back palp and not having anakin part of his demise undermines all of the other movies, all of the beautiful story work George Lucas put into star wars
I completely agree. Those were my thoughts after watching IX
Screencrush, this was very unexpected... Are you trying to tell me something, eh?
"You must unlearn what you have learned." ...
I've always feel that this was the case. Anakin was rightly prophesied to bring balance to The Force, but no one expect that this would also mean bringing about the destruction of both the Jedi and the Sith. But my theory is that perhaps this is a plan that Yoda came up all along, being the oldest, wisest Jedi known to have prophetic abilities. He envisioned that the universe is in danger if the Jedi keep falling to the wayside and become the ineffective religious organization that only care about its position within the Republic, and the Sith being the necessary evil to prevent that from happening. So Anakin is either manipulated by Yoda or agreed to the plan despite shattering all his moral beliefs. Likely at some point after Mustafar, Yoda elaborated this plan to Obi Wan who is then tasked to put the second phase in motion. Preparing Luke as either a martyr or a hero to the cause, redeeming Vader and making sure that the galaxy has someone they can rally themselves to.
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He: “it was ray all along.”
Me: “what! No!”
I believe that this is the real tragedy of Lucas. Such a poetic and insightful story told with the prequels that it flew above most people heads’ and it was labeled as bad by people that just didn’t get it.
And because of that people now we got a fucking mess of Star Wars (not counting the mandalorian and andor)
Just because I noticed it: In the description you wrote gully instead of fully ...
"It was the Republic troops who attacked first to arrest three prisoners who were trespassing on Geonosian territory."
That's not...wait...is that how that shook out?
At least that's Dooku must have said at the Confederacy's Senate.
This was a great well thought out video. I enjoyed how you presented your arguments. I don't agree with all your perspectives but I throughly enjoyed it nonetheless. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
That "Rei" comment at the end - electric! :)
Especially during the sequel trilogy, the lines of "good and evil" are blurred more often than they are clear. Even during the original trilogy, there are moments where the good guys do kinda messed up things (mainly in Return of the Jedi). The reason Luke Skywalker isn't the biggest example of hypocrisy is because he believes that the Force is simply what it is, using the Light or the Dark side is a tool to be used for the right job. Luke uses Force Choke on two Gamorrean guards at Jabba the Hutt's palace and he succumbs to anger during his final duel with Darth Vader at the end. But even then, he never gives in to one side over the other. He still believes that both sides are valuable tools to be used in specific situations. The Republic would view that as blasphemy.
Yet another fantastic video essay. Thanks!
805th. The story and the philosophy bits are really cool
Props for using original footage. The less dramatic Death Star explosion and the original Emperor hologram were a nice call back
this is a great breakdown of the prequels and Vader's trajectory.
It’s only in discussion of popular media such as Star Wars that you can hear “so back to the child murder!!” in any context and think “oh yeah okay”.
ive got the same Kelvin and Hobbs collection i absolutely love them
Ryan your thoughts are spot on with my own. I'd like to know Assistant Manager Doug's thoughts on why Star Wars lacks dogs. Perhaps the galaxy would be a happier galaxy if there were dogs through out the galaxy.
The idea that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were purely civilian targets is wrong. Both were military targets with large civilian population.
Hiroshima was of considerable military importance. It housed the 2nd Army Headquarters, this was the command centre for the south Japans the defense. It was also a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly point for troops.
Nagasaki was one of southern Japan's largest sea ports and it's various industries included the production of ordnance, ships and other military equipment
If you watch the colour of Anikin's eyes they weren't changed after he slaughtered the Tuskin Raiders, nor when he marched into the Jedi Temple nor after the slaughter of the younglings, so I was wrong about that, but it was by the end of him slaughtering the leaders of the trade federation on Mustafar. If you watch the scene he stars crying out as he slays some of them, his eyes still normal, but by the end he after he slays the last one he turns around and its revealed his eyes are now changed. He finally became fully lost to the darkside. There is argument tho that it was after his raid on the Jedi Temple when he neals before Palpatine and is dubbed Darth Vador. But Personally I believe that one can channel either side of the force while maintaining their control, look at Mace Windu and Lord Dooku for proof as they both channel the darkside Mace while light saber fighting and Dooku was being trained in the Dark Arts yet not once is he ever depicted as having Sith Eyes.
Shot out to Cincinnati thou!? Alright!
" We don't support Dictatorship, Genocide or Child Murder.. but here's a 10 minute quota clickbait video where we sympathize with his motivations on... Dictatorship, Genocide and Child Murder."
Not really, but sure.
This is an important thing, though... no one borns to be a dictator or a mass murderer. By analizing these people's journey and understanding how and why they turned out that way, we might have a better chance in preventing more people from ending up like that.
@@starlighter93 Hitler: "Rejected by art school? I'll kill everyone in the world, that'll show 'em!"
Nagasaki was actually a military target.
The bomb was dropped on a naval manufacturing district.
THIS.
Ryan, I think this is your best video! Great analysis and explanation!
This is one of my favorite videos
As always, great analysis, makes me want to watch the prequels again☺️👍🏼
Great job running the whole video with the last thought.
Good Video... Kinda disappointed that you never mentioned "your mom"... But still, great video
The video is crap and full of bullshit interpretations by someone who has no authority to speak about someone else's creation. This Screen Crush knob has no idea what he is talking about. There are plenty of interviews with George Lucas to read and lots of commentary tracks on the DVD's/Blurays where George explains what is going on and what the characters' motivations are. Don't take this hack's word as gospel over the creator of these movies.
best star wars video in a while
i love how this videos make me rethink my life
Anakin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force. Did this mean the destruction of the dark side to the hopes of the Jedi? Or did this mean the destruction of both the Jedi and the Sith? If balance meant eliminating the polar power struggle between the light and dark sides thus reducing the galactic conflicts of force users, then this could be considered a success.
Great analysis!!
I've said it before on various "Bad Guy X was Right All Along" videos:
The moment you start killing the Innocent, how "Right" you are doesn't fucking matter anymore.
You know who else was right?
R2-D2 when he says beep boop beep
It's amazing to me how much of this had gone under my radar and how much of it seems true. I clicked on the video thinking this was a dumb theory, but now I almost kind of agree with you. It's an interesting idea.
Darth Vadar, so chosen he balanced the force twice.
I am always right. In fact, as a whole, in any given situation, at least 1 Skywalker is always right. Always.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were alternative choices to Kyoto... "Sometimes, you have to make decisions based on the math." - Stracynzski
Awesome video🤙🏻
dude, roman "dictatorship" his something completely different than the modern use of that word. There's absolutely nothing in common between them.
It was more like a "crisis general"
If there was enemy at the gates or any big problem the senate would give one person the right to rule without having to ask the senate anything for one year.
It was only crisis general when the general gave up power. Which wasnt all to often.
A very insightful review. A little ironic in the end though.
When there is a video of George Lucas saying "Hab did not shoot first. People don't like that because they wanted him to be a rough cowboy type but that's just not who the character was" it starts getting difficult to argue with.
Doug needs to do an entire video
Nice breakdown
another awesome video! thank you for your work!!!
Some people in the comments have a problem believing anakin would kill younglings so easily. A few things to think about. You can see on his face that he struggled with it. I don't think he did it lightly. He was told he had to do it to become strong enough in the dark side to save Padme. He was being manipulated the whole time. When he killed Dooku, Palpatine was using the dark side to almost force his hand. I think people don't get how powerful Palpatine was. He was manipulating EVERYONE. The senate, the jedi, the seperatists. Anakin had been under his influence for years at this point. Killing the younglings was just the nail in the coffin. It was the point of no return. He was always at conflict....Palpatine used this to push him over the edge. A few examples were shown on screen, but who knows how many other things he did under his influence. Like a serial killer starts with animals and works their way up to humans. He started with sand people and ended with younglings. At this point anakin is already gone. Vader kills the kids. Just my opinion
Does think of the fact that he says he will even stop people from diying and then obi wan disappears before he is struck down is a way of obi wan telling his student you have a lot to learn
So many people despise all scenes of Attack of the Clones but that scene with Anakin and Padame on Naboo where they simply talk with those fat cow things is simply magnificent.
Can't tell if sarcasm or honest.
@@peewypeabody4284 It's honest. The scene showed that Anakin genuinely believed dictatorship to be a better system than representative democracy and had some of the best romance in the film (which isn't saying much, don't think that I'm saying the chemistry was amazing) It tells us so much about the characters.
@@wachyfanning I could have done without the cringy rolling around.
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you!
It's just obi wan once said everything depends on our own point of view. George lucas himself said evil people don't think of themselves as evil they always believe their doing good even though they're not.
You’re shot of Pete Rose is him with the Philadelphia Phillies not the Cincinnati Reds