Yea! That's what i said it might be because of the misfire it had! So do i win a prize?? Lol. Sorry, i shouldn't laugh cause its going cost a good bit to fix , at least you have found the problem! Keep up the good vids mate, cheers.
Interesting video, I knew of the leak down test and had a marine mechanic do one on my outboard motor but never saw it being done...until now ha ha ha. Not totally convinced that a fuel pump issue can cause one cylinder to go misfire but I'm no mechanic. Hope its a cheap fix for ya' Cheers
+Erated78 this engine has two fuel pumps. It has a lift pump that pulls fuel from the tank and send it to the injection pump. The injection pump sends huge pressure fuel to each injector at a specific time to make the engine run. A lift pump problem shouldn't cause a miss, but an injection pump problem definitely can.
It is interesting, as i see on your video your fuel injection pump it is type of rotary pump. This type pump has only one pumping element for all 6 cylinders that's mean it sends the same amount of fuel for every cylinders. I think that you have at least two problems, first is low compression on that cylinder and injection out of timing. Sorry for my bad english.
Rotary pumps will gall on their distributor and send the fuel back into the pump internally, or to other injectors so it's possible even with a rotary to have one or more cylinders down. Typical price tag I hear just to get your wallets exercised into the proper shape is 800$ without anything serious done other than the doctor saying turn your head and cough. Prices can escalate quickly from there right thru the roof. ATF has friction modifiers such that clutches grab hard so engine oil is the new thing to put into diesel if you want to help the pump break in without breaking. Especially important since they removed the sulfur. Big snafu with Dodge and newest Bosch rotary, Bosch dropped it as the returns for warranty got so bad - back to the previous model that was a little looser in there.
Stop saying high hours deisel engines and tractors in general can have high hours where i live you still see tractors from 1970s or 1980s still in the field
Yeah the farm I work on has most of its tractors over 10 000 hours with proper maintinence... Which pays off because now they have tractors that have lasted almost twice as long as the one in this video with no problems.
Are their check valves at the output fittings of the injection pump? Pressure bleed down when sitting would cause the affected cylinder to missfire until pressure builds. fwiw
The first step was to test if fuel was coming out of the injector, (leak down was the next step) which was to take out the injector and crank the engine to see if fuel squirts out, the fuel pump is a rotary type with vanes for each injector which have to slide in and out when it rotates, does not take a lot to stick, causes are dirty fuel by not changing the fuel filter, water in fuel causing slight rust inside pump, what I would do first is take out all the injectors so the engine turns over freely, take the injector pipes off at the pump, put a container of cleaning fluid on the fuel inlet pipe direct to the pump, crank the engine over and over to see if the vane can be freed, I would drain the fuel tank as well, I rebuild my own pumps so good luck.
Couple of questions, 1) what are you going to do when the weather gets cold and wet regarding working on your machine? 2) what is the price/availability difference between repair or get a rebuilt unit? Thanks for the Videos!
1: Try to have everything fixed by then, or get cold and wet. 2: Depends on exactly what they find wrong with mine but a rebuild should be at least $2,000 cheaper. I'll get into exact numbers on this tractor when I get it functional.
I'm telling you there is some kind of fuel advancement for when the engine is cold that needs to be replaced we did that on ours and it fixed the problem don't take that injector pump off just yet
+Brad Racke I plan to talk more about that in the pump video but a common problem with these is the cold start advance breaking due to low fuel pressure and damaging the pump housing.
It may be unlikely but especially if the tractor sat. that injection line could be clogged or maybe somebody bumped and maybe it got kinked. just something to check before spending a ton of money on that pump
Nice tools you have. As you know condensation of water in the tank will ruin dieselpumps. So when this tractor is running again, fill the tank up when you are not using it regulary. And check filters and agian and again. Oh, and avoid Bio diesel because it(the ethanol) will form algae and is hygroscopic.
Like the video. Wish we could have seen in a bit more detail some points. We have an older Kubota tested out at 50% leak-down through the crank case. Guess it has had a lot of wear in it's life. Have to save up to rebuild it as still cheaper than buying a similar replacement.
Guy in WY Seems this was the video the camera quit and your hands blocked what you were doing removing the injection pump so didn't see what you actually did.
Guy in WY yeah, we had a New Holland 8560 with 33000 hours on it and we sold it to a farmer it has now 36000 hours without mantainance after 33000 hours
hi Gary I know this sounds odd. if you work on your own like I did you have to adapt. one thing was a mitre long rubber hose 1/4 ins Id and hold one end to your ear the other end to your manifold or air intake or cylinder you will save a lot of time finding faults works on petrol or diesels
david hall I took automechnics in school and it taught me that I hate working on cars, became a Firefighter/paramedic and adapted a old stethoscope to find noises.
Rombo yes you have to do each cylinder individually since the valves, piston rings, piston, and head gasket failures can all be isolated to a single cylinder while the rest are fine.
+Rombo Drew beat me to it, but yes. You must test each cylinder individually. Since I already knew my problem was in #1, it's the only cylinder I tested.
Hi, 2006 model newholland ts110a tractor have error code 3102 number of error code will help us solve the problem
The NHs I have been around had problems with the injector pumps. It seems to be common with them.
+feelnrite sure does.
Great video buddy keep up these great videos and your channel will grow fast !!
+PhatboyHD88 thank you!
You will need to clean your intercooler, it will be full of oil because the engine breether isn't the way it should be
funny how opinions vary but I wouldn't consider 8000hr tractor as a high hr tractor,but I suppose its how they've been looked after in the past also.
+Daniel Atkinson I consider it high because most of the other TS115 tractors I looked at had around 5,000 hours.
Yea! That's what i said it might be because of the misfire it had! So do i win a prize?? Lol. Sorry, i shouldn't laugh cause its going cost a good bit to fix , at least you have found the problem! Keep up the good vids mate, cheers.
+Mental Sid thanks!
Good stuff brother, you really seem to know your stuff....hope it works out
+Daniel Thomason thank you Daniel.
Interesting video, I knew of the leak down test and had a marine mechanic do one on my outboard motor but never saw it being done...until now ha ha ha. Not totally convinced that a fuel pump issue can cause one cylinder to go misfire but I'm no mechanic. Hope its a cheap fix for ya' Cheers
+Erated78 this engine has two fuel pumps. It has a lift pump that pulls fuel from the tank and send it to the injection pump. The injection pump sends huge pressure fuel to each injector at a specific time to make the engine run. A lift pump problem shouldn't cause a miss, but an injection pump problem definitely can.
It is interesting, as i see on your video your fuel injection pump it is type of rotary pump. This type pump has only one pumping element for all 6 cylinders that's mean it sends the same amount of fuel for every cylinders. I think that you have at least two problems, first is low compression on that cylinder and injection out of timing.
Sorry for my bad english.
Rotary pumps will gall on their distributor and send the fuel back into the pump internally, or to other injectors so it's possible even with a rotary to have one or more cylinders down. Typical price tag I hear just to get your wallets exercised into the proper shape is 800$ without anything serious done other than the doctor saying turn your head and cough. Prices can escalate quickly from there right thru the roof. ATF has friction modifiers such that clutches grab hard so engine oil is the new thing to put into diesel if you want to help the pump break in without breaking. Especially important since they removed the sulfur. Big snafu with Dodge and newest Bosch rotary, Bosch dropped it as the returns for warranty got so bad - back to the previous model that was a little looser in there.
is there a filter in the pump it should look like a sediment bowl
+NH D1000 don't see one.
Stop saying high hours deisel engines and tractors in general can have high hours where i live you still see tractors from 1970s or 1980s still in the field
+Utters Adventures productions most tractors are designed for a 10,000 hour lifespan. They can go a lot longer with proper maintenance though.
Yeah the farm I work on has most of its tractors over 10 000 hours with proper maintinence... Which pays off because now they have tractors that have lasted almost twice as long as the one in this video with no problems.
Seems you need more old timey farm implements... a WHOLE PASSEL of kids to fetch and tote !! "go-fers" is what we called 'em !!
+Stephen Mortimer I've been one of those kids!
About time you "go forth and MULTIPLY"
Oh please yeger miester it. And yank the head.
+Craig Walker yeger meister it? Not sure I understand.
Either bad fuel injection pump or injector like ive said all along......
Still have to troubleshoot to isolate the trouble.
+Sicktrickintuner injectors were ruled out early on, high likelihood of pump trouble but worthwhile to confirm it.
Are their check valves at the output fittings of the injection pump? Pressure bleed down when sitting would cause the affected cylinder to missfire until pressure builds. fwiw
Could also have a bad injector.
+snowmandan9 excellent points. Check out this video-
ua-cam.com/video/VVvBpeNe8Iw/v-deo.html
The first step was to test if fuel was coming out of the injector, (leak down was the next step) which was to take out the injector and crank the engine to see if fuel squirts out, the fuel pump is a rotary type with vanes for each injector which have to slide in and out when it rotates, does not take a lot to stick, causes are dirty fuel by not changing the fuel filter, water in fuel causing slight rust inside pump, what I would do first is take out all the injectors so the engine turns over freely, take the injector pipes off at the pump, put a container of cleaning fluid on the fuel inlet pipe direct to the pump, crank the engine over and over to see if the vane can be freed, I would drain the fuel tank as well, I rebuild my own pumps so good luck.
"Logical Diagnostics." Good luck with the repairs and getting this tractor back to work!
+Frank Ponte thanks Frank!
You need a large steel building
+sancoffsr sure do.
Great video.
+Bud Lefebvre thank you!
You did say pump problem in your reply, as least it's easy fix I hope look forward to next vid. Now go n smash that piggy bank
+Jamie Shields the injection pumps can be a little tricky but I'll do a video on it.
Couple of questions,
1) what are you going to do when the weather gets cold and wet regarding working on your machine?
2) what is the price/availability difference between repair or get a rebuilt unit?
Thanks for the Videos!
1: Try to have everything fixed by then, or get cold and wet.
2: Depends on exactly what they find wrong with mine but a rebuild should be at least $2,000 cheaper. I'll get into exact numbers on this tractor when I get it functional.
I'm telling you there is some kind of fuel advancement for when the engine is cold that needs to be replaced we did that on ours and it fixed the problem don't take that injector pump off just yet
+Brad Racke I plan to talk more about that in the pump video but a common problem with these is the cold start advance breaking due to low fuel pressure and damaging the pump housing.
It may be unlikely but especially if the tractor sat. that injection line could be clogged or maybe somebody bumped and maybe it got kinked. just something to check before spending a ton of money on that pump
+MinniMoR good points. The lines have all been checked and are okay.
Sjould have bought a massey
+south east Agri videos I think previous care matters more on tractors like this than brand.
Guy in WY ye maybe ur right
I'm guessing you'd rather have a pump issue then a cylinder issue. Either way it's too bad this wasn't disclosed.
+Zach Hewitt yup, there were some direct questions that don't appear to have been answered honestly.
Great video, it is an expensive repair but glad it is not an engine rebuild, looking forward to up coming video's
+Jan Kotze thanks Jan!
What kind of engine does it have?
Woo! More later.
+wbball15 Lots more. :)
Love your videos! Always keep up the good work on the farm and on UA-cam. Have a good day
+Yooper Trooper thank you!
Great videos, keep them coming. My 5 year old loves your videos and now wants to buy a tractor.
+anthony burn that's awesome! If my videos can ER a kid to sit down with the family and spend some time together, that's really great.
Thanks for the upload! I was wondering if we shall see the results of your repair very soon or not.. :)
+SaoPauloNX I'll do a video on removing the pump and injectors, but the pump repair shop said he's about four weeks out right now.
Nice tools you have. As you know condensation of water in the tank will ruin dieselpumps. So when this tractor is running again, fill the tank up when you are not using it regulary. And check filters and agian and again. Oh, and avoid Bio diesel because it(the ethanol) will form algae and is hygroscopic.
+Willem Streutgers yup, water and low fuel pressure into the IP can kill them quickly.
Especialy the HPpump. That one has very tight tollerances.
Like the video. Wish we could have seen in a bit more detail some points. We have an older Kubota tested out at 50% leak-down through the crank case. Guess it has had a lot of wear in it's life. Have to save up to rebuild it as still cheaper than buying a similar replacement.
Which points would you like to be more detailed? Rebuilding is usually cheaper than replacing, but it can still be a hefty bill.
Guy in WY Seems this was the video the camera quit and your hands blocked what you were doing removing the injection pump so didn't see what you actually did.
Great vid, are you going to respray the mudgards and the bonnet of the ts115 it would looks great and very helpfull vid btw
+John Donohue once I get it running and working properly I would like to have the paint fixed.
Guy in WY sounds good
Very informative video, probably your best one.
+David Mays thank you David!
8300 hours is not a lot
+Joey Joosse most equipment is designed for a 10,000 hour life but they can go well beyond that with proper maintenance.
Guy in WY yeah, we had a New Holland 8560 with 33000 hours on it and we sold it to a farmer it has now 36000 hours without mantainance after 33000 hours
Great video! Very educational.
+johnH123 thank you!
Interesting video, I have learnt something new!
+Albe605c thank you
Put a Bosc P-pump on it
+srad98ful that would be nice.
Interesting
+Gary Kolo yup. Thanks for watching!
hi Gary
I know this sounds odd. if you work on your own like I did you have to adapt. one thing was a mitre long rubber hose 1/4 ins Id and hold one end to your ear the other end to your manifold or air intake or cylinder you will save a lot of time finding faults works on petrol or diesels
This is probably my favorite farming channel, No silly music or antics, just a decent guy and beautiful country.
david hall I took automechnics in school and it taught me that I hate working on cars, became a Firefighter/paramedic and adapted a old stethoscope to find noises.
Good video
+Derek Tinkler thank you
Good luck hope you can get it fixed so you can get the most out of the old New Holland
+JJ Buchheit thank you! I can't wait to get this thing working properly.
You should do a compression test.
Very informative video. Do you have to do the leak down test for each cylinder individually?
Rombo yes you have to do each cylinder individually since the valves, piston rings, piston, and head gasket failures can all be isolated to a single cylinder while the rest are fine.
+Rombo Drew beat me to it, but yes. You must test each cylinder individually. Since I already knew my problem was in #1, it's the only cylinder I tested.