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It's a pitty that an influencer like you encourages the "amazing year-round solution" provided by the compromising compound of the "all weather/seasons" tyres through giving leads to such a bad "2 in 1" false promise. Because the only connection between the car and the road is the set of tyres and whoever doesn't care about him/herself and the others in the traffic (a simple matter of protecting life, the most precious gift) is really stupid (uneducated is still stupid) and dangerous. According to the tests that anyone can find on yt (I am not giving names), the measurements show very clearly that such "amazing solution for the whole year" is far below the winter tyres in the winter and far below the summer tyres in the summer. The only time that such a compromise would work well sometimes (mostly in the wet) is for a few weeks in the spring/fall (I am thinking on doing this - getting a 3rd set, of AW, tyres), around 7 degrees Celsius. The cost (an often used argument) is mostly the same, except the necessary changes (that are very good for rotations, checking the brakes, alignment, balance etc. - so the changes' cost is an excellent investment for the drivers that want to be better). While I destroy one set of Bridgestone Blizzak LM005 and one set of Bridgestone Potenza Sport, others will get already to a third set of Michelin CrossClimate 2+ etc. I appreciate your channel and your approach, but please be more responsible about your (both direct and indirect) advices, as we need to educate for safe roads. Thank you!
Hello, Is it possible to get measurable data on the performance of the Bridgestone Turanza EL 450 and whether it would be adequate to drive between Vancouver and Banff in the winter? I would carry chains. Our vehicle is the Crown Signia. I live on the west coast and don't want to buy winter tires for one trip.
English is not my first language but I think All weather and all season tires are the same. All season covers all weather and vice versa. Don't complicate things 😊 Another thing is summer tires are better in wet roads. Why? Summer tires have better rubber compounds suitable for dry and wet than your cheap all-season or all-weather tires. You need to study more about tires before shamelessly posting video about tires.
I live in Ontario (south east). For 12 year with my 2005 Ford Mustang GT I used winter tires (in November, December, January, February and half of March) , then all seasons the rest of the time. That worked great for a 300 HP rear wheel drive vehicle. 2 years ago I got a 2020 Subaru Outback and I didn't get winter tires for it until this November. Manly do to expense but the car ran fine the winter with all seasons because it is 4WD. I decided to get some Michelin Latitude X-Ice winter tires on steel rims through FB marketplace for $600 (used for 1 season). We don't have any snow yet but now I can't wait for snow to see how the car with drive. Great video, you have a new subscriber.
You'll love it Check out our drifting videos of our imprezza from last winter. This year I have a new imprezza with studded winter tires for the track.
I am not an expert on tires either, but I appreciate all this valuable information explained with such clarity and honesty because you never talk about brands, only about characteristics that we should know. Thank you for your time and sharing your experience and knowledge.
The thing he got incorrect is all weather tires compound. The three peak means the tire has been made with a special rubber compound that stays pliable in colder conditions
Winter tire is a scam....been driving since 04 never once i bought winter tires....it's for people who don't know how to drive..... all season is all you need...even people who has winter tires are the one who gets in accident...
@@mplslawnguy3389well like he said. They're ok. If you visit anywhere that has a Mt. In the name I'm betting going 60 around a 45mph corner while descending said mountain is not in your wheelhouse. Mom was from Minnesota and Pops from Chi town, nice and flat as hell out there. I could drive racing slicks and "get by" out there.
@@dmitripogosian5084 Sure the sensors are great, but they can get dirty and grimy and blocked from functioning properly. It's always a helpful measure to check wheel areas when the wheels are off. A cleanup can prevent a future failure from developing over time. Eg: Dirt, grime or corrosion could jam up brake parts from moving properly causing possible uneven wear. Washing road dirt out before a caliper gets stuck. If there is corrosion developing get it looked at, lubricated/adjusted or repaired properly before other issues that can happen. A bad brake pad or shoe can also ruin a brake rotor or drum. Not saying it's gonna happen, but possibilities are always there. What mikemarshall7016 was getting at is Safety First.
Great video. Being from Manitoba, and now living in Calgary for 11+ years who drives frequently to the mountains, there is nothing better than running winter/snow tires in the colder months. Some will say they drive on all-seasons and are doing fine and haven't gotten into accidents, which is great, but likely haven't ever driven on winter tires or they simply don't drive a lot to warrant the cost and effort to swap to another set of wheels. Having 2 sets of tires also reduces the mileage per year on each tire, so from a cost perspective, it can be justified while taking advantage of the increased performance/safety when you are using the right tool for the job. Also, this video would've been great to discuss about all-terrain tires for winter weather. not all are created equal. some have the 3 peak snow flake symbol and some don't. from my experience, my all terrains with 3 peak snow flake do really well in the winter, but are still no match for winter tires.
In Lithuania, we must by law use proper tested winter tyres ( 3 peaks symbol) from November 10 to April. I have used my winter tyres in warm/ hot climates during a long holiday driving from Northern Europe to far southern Europe on a 17 thousand kilometres trip with speeds not over 140kph. Vehicle 400bhp max volvo T8 V90. Tyre wear 'acceptable' considering, handling, stoppage distance and noise o.k. However, using the correct tyres for summer and winter is best for total performance of all parameters. Lastly the insurance company could invalidate a claim if inappropriate tyres for the conditions are fitted. The above is the legal requirements for mainland Europe, and in other countries, can be different .
In Lithuania we only have winter tyres with 3 peaks symbol. The 'winter tyres' were no longer allowed as they have not had and do not need recognised testing on them. ( basically any manufacturer can state 'winter/snow' tyre)
Excellent explanation of tire types! Don’t discount your expertise; if you’re Canadian, you’re a winter tire expert!!! We live just south of Vancouver BC, in Washington; just got Blizzacks for my SUV and Michelin Ice-X’s for the wife’s Subie. Gotta stay safe!! In my opinion, pure winter tires are NOT optional Nov-Mar around here. Keeping the winter tires on their own wheels seems to be working out; the local tire shops will swap them for free. Storing 8 extra wheels is not convenient, but a small price to pay for safety. Cheers and safe travels from Bellingham 🇺🇸!
I would have to agree with you 100 percent. Tread pattern is important but rubber compound makes a big difference. Decades ago I was involved with dirt track racing and rubber compound was a big deal as well as for how the track was wet or drying out. So you are spot on with your information.
All weather have the three peak, meaning they use a compound that stays flexible in very cold temps. So keep in mind, all weather tires do not use the same compound as standard all season.
Ability of the driver is the most important thing for Winter driving. I came from a non-snow area and had to train myself in this. Had a 4WD vehicle, but bought "beater" cars in the many places I moved to for work. Would take these cars out in big snowed in parking lots and push them to see what they would do for steering and braking. Great fun, and it made driving them easy in normal situations where you took more caution.
I did the same thing when I was a kid. Now I just bought a car to take drifting on the ice over the winter and plan to get my kids out there too so they can practice
Your presentation is excellent general information. Having driven OTR trucks last century, in the 48 and Canada. There is a joke that there are only 2 seasons. Winter and Construction. When I lived in Colorado, I had the experience of winter tires failing during winter. I towed my Jeep from Denver to near Moab. Just a little bit into Utah, two of the Jeep tires started chunking, and failed. This happened during the first half of April. And I dealt with snow and ice over the mountains. Generally All Season tires are very flexible down to 45°f. But tires are very complex. Every brand has some garbage product lines. But even those tires can be excellent in specific situations. My current operational vehicles are 4wd diesel pickups and 4wd SUV's. My wife's Cummins powered beast requires a very tough tire. Our Ecodiesel has the same tire, but gets amazing tire life. Both are running General APT tires, which is an all weather tire, and have LSD differentials. My Jeep ZJ project vehicle has General AT2 tires. My daily driver '20 Dodge Durango has Continental HT tires which are similar to Michelin LTX tires. I had tried Toyo AT3 all weather tires. They were okay, and wore well. But were not as good as the General ATP tires or even the Continental HT's, on snow and ice. I tried Cooper AT Maxx tires as a tall and skinney experiment on my Ecodiesel. I had them siped while on the rim. The transformed from marginal on ice. To outstanding on ice, snow, and rain. Siping on the rim greatly improves many tires. I find that straight sipes work better than squiggly sipes. The squiggly sipes pick up bits of sand and gravel. Which diminishes traction. Ribbed tread designs offer a smoother quieter ride. But angled blocks give better traction while offering a smooth and guiet ride. I carry Auto Socks for a traction device. And have never had to use them. I travel between California, Nevada, Northern Idaho, and Colorado. My 51 years as a licensed driver. Tells me that summer tires are generally good for racing and drift cars. But siping can change that. But the shoulder of the tire is critical for longevity and handling. And angled tread blocks are are the best on any grade tire. But as you said, tires are very complex. And your presentation is excellent basic information for the common driver.
I appreciate the comments and the validation. Glad someone realized my explanation is a general understand for each type of tire, rather than get caught in the weeds arguing about a specific summer tire that's better than a specific all season, or vice versa.
Great video! Like the way that you compared each tire type. Even though we live on Vancouver Island with its relatively mild winters we change over to winter tires in November. The softer compound found on winter tires in cooler/cold temperatures ensures better/safer driving.
I tried the Michelin Cross Climate 2. They are the unicorn tire. I use them year round now and live in the Canadian Rockies. I’m really amazed at how well they work.
I live in Calgary. I drive to and through the mountains about 50 times a winter and have for the last 45 years. Our winters are changing and we are getting a lot more ice / freezing rain events these last few years. If you want to really have excellent traction you should look at studded winter tires. I have All Weathers on my second car and they are good for most winter days but when things go bad the studded winters just work so, so much better. Like I can hit the brakes hard and the antilock does not even engage. The car just stops. Yes, studs degrade dry road performance a bit but the ability to hold the road in bad conditions outweighs this minor setback 10 to 1. We should follow Quebec and make winter tires mandatory everywhere except the lower mainland. It would be safer for everyone. An inexperienced driver with proper tires would be less dangerous than one driving on half bald All Seasons. It’s just common sense.
So does Michelin Primacy 4 but its still not suitable for winter. But you got a point, Hankook winter tires are so bad because the rubber is unsuitable for winter, they are basically studded all-season tires.
This is a great video but I don't think winter tires get HARDER in the heat and softer in the cold. I think they STAY soft in the cold and get TOO soft in the heat so they wear down super fast.
Yes, 100% correct... Winter tires get to soft in warm temperature, wears down crazy fast and give very little traction on dry and wet tarmac when it is warm.
@@a64738 I’ve ran winter tires during an exceptionally hot summer and they weren’t that bad. They definitely felt softer than they should be. Compared to my performance all seasons, the winters felt a bit squirrely, whereas the harder tires feel more communicative and like they respond to directions; changes more immediately. It’s definitely noticeable, but it really wasn’t so bad. The winters did wear faster, that’s no surprise, but not nearly as badly as I expected, and I drove them hard. I do drive a sporty sedan with lower profile tires, so perhaps this mitigated the overly sore feeling. Anyway, it wasn’t too bad, but I definitely notice the improvement with proper tires. For my dad’s car, however, we have just put on winters all year. He rarely drives and when he does he doesn’t go far or fast. We preferred the best snow and ice traction, and the drawbacks are negligible with the way he drives. A few times I have taken his vehicle (an older light suv) on freeways and short highway drives in summer, and I wouldn’t say it’s a sporty ride. But it’s certainly acceptable. Especially for that vehicle type. But again, for his driving it’s plenty fine. Just my two cents on my personal experiences 🙂
That is correct. Anyone that’s driven a winter tire knows this. I’m actually debating if I want a winter tires in the Denver area because while its great only he morning commute 1-2 days a week it snows and all the times its under 40F. But boy afternoon it is often 50-60F and sunny when it snowed 3” and was 20F that morning. A 40F swing is typical all winter.
That's a great explanation of siping. I didn't understand this word the last time that I heard this word. As a Canadian I think that winter tires are absolutely necessary.
If All-Weather tires are almost the same compound as All-Season, just with better tread design, we should hopefully see a reduction in traditional All-Season and inductry move towards just having three choices again (summer, All-Weather, WInter)
@@daveoconnor9878 Nokia isn't available at my local tire place and I also needed wheels which I didn't feel comfortable ordering online for fear of getting the wrong specs. I ended up getting CrossClimate 2 so I hope that they will be good enough for West Michigan.
@@mikemccormick6128 Have you been to Washtenaw Ave in Ann Arbor, Michigan ??? i.e. The last time I was on Washtenaw Ave in Ann Arbor -- there was a place that it's only business was Tires and Wheels.
Funny that Canadians use "all season tires". In Norway, we only use one set of Summer tires in the summer, and then one set of real Winter (spiked/non-spiked) tires during the winter. All season and all weather tires are basically unheard of.
I've been using all weather tires for years now. A couple sets of Nokians, some Firestones on my old SUV that were surprisingly good, and now a set of Michelin Cross Climates on my new car. I find them to be a good compromise between convenience and winter grip. Most OEM all season tires are designed more for mileage and fuel economy than grip, in any conditions.
Yep. I grabbed a set of Michelin Cross Climate 2's as winter ended last year cause I was fed up with my tires. I love them. I lose a bit of range, but I'll take that over getting stuck in a ditch, not being able to turn, and rear-ending someone.
I use an all terrain tire on my vehicle because I drive a truck. All seasons work for my aunt as we live where winter is light and if it’s bad enough we use my truck.
Nice job. I have only one objection. You said summer tires handle bad in wet conditions, this is just not accurate. If the temperature is around 9°, 10°C and up, summer tires handle best in dry/wet conditions. No question, no competition, proven in many tests.. That's a fact. Thank you for making this video.
Absolutely! Because summer tires have four big fat grooves on them that will evacuate water from underneath very efficiently. Unless they are bald, of course. Simple physics.
Love the way you explain to the smallest detail down to composition of the tires!!! Eye opener to me to finally understand the difference between All Season and All Weather tires! I always get confused with that!! Great video! Love it! Thanks! :😃
Here in Victoria B.C. Nokian all weather on Mitsubishi RVR is a perfect pair. Great for all the rain over winter, work well for the bit of snow we get , such as now. Much better than the all seasons by a mile.
Yes for sure, anyone living along the cost of bc would benefit from all weather tires. The few times you get snow you don't have to worry. And the rest of the time they work fine
I’m currently running a set of Hakkapellita R5’s and they’re AWESOME. I noticed a considerably positive in winter driving compared to my all season tires. I highly recommend getting a set of winter tires.
@5:58 That's not an example of an all-weather tire. That's a General Altimax Arctic, which is a studdable winter tire (I had them without studs before). Also, the first time in the video you saw siping is in the All-season bridgestone tire you showed earlier. Siping doesn't have to be in a zigzag pattern Winter tires don't require to have UTQG ratings. All-weather tires have UTQG ratings marked on the sidewall
Funny thing, I've run on All Season then Snows here in Northern Ontario since my '58 Ford; yes I'm pushing 80 and still change my tires, oil etc. Last spring I bought a set of Michelin Defender 2's at Crappy Tire. After making the puchase the fellow behind the counter said that they're not All Season tires like the original Defender. They do work well in hydro plane conditions, however.
I'm running All Weather tires here in WV. Thy work great, because our snow is really intermittent. We just had a snow that hit quick and the next day it was gone. If I lived in Canada, I'd definitely run winter tires.
I live in MN and good All Weather tires work. They're not as good as winter tires, but they can still get you by. You just have to know how to drive in the snow. Having 4X4 also makes a big difference. I think cars and other vehicles with 2WD benefit most from dedicated winter tires. I'm driving a Ram with 4WD and All Weather is more than enough to get me to where I need to go.
All-Weather tires are supposed to be used for people who live in areas that usually have green grass on their lawns MOST of the winter, and only occasionally get some snowfall on the roads. For these people, they don't get enough snow to warrant pure Winter tires, and their warm weather would wear away Winter tires too quickly. If you live in an area where your grass is covered with snow during the winter months then you really should get Winter tires instead.
If you have really cold dry snow and live in flat land country then a wrg4 will be fine. In fact even the crappy no season tires will work marginally well. If you live in the Pacific Northwest like I do and deal with hilly country and drives up into the foothills where the snow lives close to the 30-32 degree area you will find that the wrg4 will not cut it. You will need a dedicated winter tires to survive.
Very informative ... thanks for the video. Can you comment on the road noise generated on dry pavement for each of the tires - winter, all weather, all season and summer?
Here in West Michigan, 30 miles off the coast, we get what's called "lake effect snowfall." Translated, that means 3"-6" of snowfall above the forecasted amount. With three cars and two sets of tires, I own 24 tires. I am looking forward to trying the Michelin CrossClimate2 all-weather tires because they may cut my rubber investment in half.
Im finding the wear life is reduced on the all weather. Coupled with confidence in the snow and ice in true winter, I still run actual winter tires in the winter, and am looking at doing all weather in the summer. We dont get much of a fall or spring. Thats usually just a few weeks where we can look at swapping our tires over for the next season
Please dont get caught up in the idea that this will work for you. There are many different factors here. Do you drive every day?... is winter stopping you from going out? What kind of car do you own 4x4 eg, How are your driving skills? etc! I have been in the business for over 40 yrs and understand that an ALL WEATHER tire is a gift but it's not. You will always give up something... traction as they wear,, road noise, alignment, longevity, most importantly pure winter traction... there is no tire that will do everything well. Saftey first!
Think it is the same expenditure. 2 sets of tires last twice as long as one set of tires. True, you save on garage space and small hassle of replacing sets twice a year.
I've gone through two sets, and halfway through my third, of all weather tires and my thought is they're a great compromise for cars/crossovers or light SUVs that see less than 10k kms per year. However heavier vehicles, or higher mileage ones, often benefit more from a dedicated winter tire's performance and splitting the mileage between two sets of tires; this seems to be a good compromise between tread and compound life. Thanks for a great video explaining the differences very clearly.
What a stupid thought. How much is your life worth? Do you want to risk sliding into oncoming traffic or into a tree. or maybe getting stuck and with no one around you freeze to death. I just do not understand some people thoughts. Quit being cheap and stupid. I don't know when this happened, but there was a time when people were smart enough to realize it is your life and everyone at a certain time of year knew it was time to install winter tires.
I disagree. I have a 1 ton service van. Nissan NV3500. I am a Refrigeration Tech. My van is loaded with tools and parts. Refrigerant containers. I have 6 right now at 50# each. I have probably 100,000 kms on my ALL WEATHER tires.
From what I have read, most all weather tire actually have an improved rubber compound ( usually added soy based material) that allows the tire to stay relatively soft compared to their all season counterparts.
There were very few actual "all weather" tire before there were even "all weather" tire category in consumer market. All of them(only very few existed five to six years ago) were in AT/All Terrain Tire category, the most famous one probably would be Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, it''s a very good AT tire, but also drives very well on snow and ice, it will outperform many winter tires in many winter condition, and will outperform most of winter tires in really really deep fresh snow. it's also studdable if it's ever needed. So I will say all weather vs winter, it really depends on which exactly brand/model of tire you are getting.
Tire working temperature matters , not the dry wet. Summer tire working above certain temperature gains the max performance not matter dry and wet according to the test compare to the all season tire.(search them on UA-cam)
I would Like to know Your Opinion on which All-weather tire is the BEST? Bridgestone Weatherpeak or Firestone Weathergrip or Michelin CrossClimate 2, Boston MA 🇺🇸🇨🇦🙂.
You are incorrect about the summer tire, it offers the best wet and dry performance IF the temperature is not to low (rubber becomes to hard when approaching freezing). By wet i mean normal rain conditions, if you run in 2 inches of water there might be better options. If as you say you go from winter to summer quickly you could benefit from them. In Sweden that have similar climate most people use Summer tires then swap to Nordic winter tires. All season better fit climates with long drawn out fall and spring where the temperature stays between 0-10 C and you only ocationaly see snow.
In addition to warm summers we get frequent flash rain that will have more than 2” of water you need to drive through. I wouldn't recommend a summer tire to anyone driving on our climate. Other places its probably a great idea. Not here though
Aquaplanning and wet weather grip are no the same. Therefore summer tyres can have great wet grip, but suspectable to aqua planning. Many (even high performance) tyre have execeptional good wet grip
I bought some all weather tires as an experiment for summer and fall hunting. They were also all terrain tires. I figured I would switch to my winter tires later after hunting season and save wear on them. When the pandemic hit I figured I'd keep the all weather tires on for the winter since I wasn't going to travel anywhere far. I can tell you without a doubt they are nowhere near as good as a winter tire. They are a little better than the straight all terrain tire in snow and wet conditions but in winter they get too hard and don't grip as well as my winter tires. My vehicle is very old and the vehicle stability control and ABS don't function well or at all in cold weather if you don't have winter tires. With the winter tire these systems work very well. I live in NB and can get by with an all weather tire but getting by isn't good enough when the car in front of you on winter tires suddenly stops. You need to be able to stop as fast as every other car on the road. An all weather tire won't do it.
I have to agree with you. I had all season tyres in my car and I live in the UK but recently we’ve had a lot of ice which in my opinion is actually more dangerous to drive on that low level snow as cars just skid around in. I had driven on ice with my all season tyres they felt treacherous especially as I leave home before dawn prior to other cars and sun warming up the road. I bit the bullet and change to winter tyres. The difference is light and day, probably the best tyre decision I have ever made. It was an expensive switch but it was a small price to pay for my safety, the safety of my car and the safety of others on the road.
I think the verbiage used, in tire discussions is one of the most confusing aspects of it. I have never seen a A/T tire marked as all weather. However, I have seen and used some A/T tires with 3mountain peak rating. I run 3mtpk rated A/Ts late fall and switch to Blizzak for winter on my 4runner my wife runs Toyo Celsius CUVs on her AWD year around.
After doing research, I see that Michelin Crossclimate and Hankook Kinergy 4S2 are the all-weather ( 4 seasons ) tires because the tests show good results over snow (winter). All the other all-season tires are just 3-season tires since they do not performed over snow (winter).
I have the CrossClimate II and we got hit with early snow this year. Drove around a bit that day then went home and put the X-Ice on….difference is night and day. Real world can be quite different from “tests”.
The arguement I hear is “why would I want the expense of having two sets of tires.” My answer is two-fold: 1) as you said, the price of a second set is less than the cost of a collision, and, 2) miles you put on your winter tires are miles not put on your summer tirs so they last longer. “Yes, but doesn’t it hurt to be always mounting, balancing, remounting tires twice a year?” Yup, that’s why you get a separate set of rims for your winter tires…one year and they’re paid for. Personally I use Michelin Cross Climate II for my spring, summer, and fall seasons but X-Ice Snow for winter grips.
Winter tires make such a difference. I have used Duratrac tires on my Toyota FJ Cruiser since I got it 10 years ago. They have the M+S 3 mountain peak symbol. The FJ will go through any blizzard no problem. Ice is so so, but much better than an all season. But I also have a Honda Civic that I put Blizzak tires on for a couple winters. Even with my old 08 Civic, with Blizzak tires, driving was a dream in winter! I actually preferred driving my Civic rather than the FJ when I could. Just complete control. Could do little slides around corners on purpose, and be 100% in control. Of course if the show got too high / over the CIvic bumper, then the FJ wins (and of course if the FJ had Blizzaks it would win too). But yeah, winter tires are amazing, but have to swap them out twice a year.
I've rolled on all season all my life living in northern Alberta. This winter will be my first time ever purchasing winter rubber. I drive a 2019 Jetta, and going with the Nitro 3
I never knew there was a distinction between "all weather" and "winter" tires either -- both have the 3 peak and M+S rating. but note in your example of the "all weather" tire (looks to be like a Hankook I-Pike? I used to run these) it is studdable -- has holes for someone to install metal studs -- studs are unbeatable on ice, but noisy and will tear up the roads, so might be illegal in your jurisdiction and/or limited to certain months of the year). the Blizzak, while a studless tire, is definitely more softer (this is what I run currently) and bites into packed snow better. But on ice, I'd still rather have a studded tire...
3:51 Tire experts will tell you that summer tires do have better traction than all-season tires on WARM wet roads. Here's a link to a test on the Tyre Reviews channel: ua-cam.com/video/bKtnczk8Mxk/v-deo.html
you're really splitting hairs there. In one very specific circumstance the summer tire has suddenly (barely) been able to stop half a foot sooner than an all season tire. This hardly makes the straight summer tire the right choice for a daily driver. But as I pointed out in the video, for a purpose use vehicle, such as a convertible where you are most likely to be driving in those specific circumstance, the summer tire is an excellent choice. That does not take away from the point being made in this video. Especially when I only threw the summer tire in as an aside, and not as the main point of the video. Thanks for stopping by.
Well what you have described as an All Weather Tyre in Canada is called an All Season Tyre in the United Kingdom such as the Michelin Crossclimate 2 and Goodyear Vector 4, which both have the 3 Mountain Peak Symbol & Snowflake Symbol on the Tyre Sidewall.
Summer tires depending on type are excellent on water conditions. In summer you will get the best lap times on these tires even in rain vs other tire types, as long as they are not purposly track tires (that are considered semi slics). Summer tires are soft on high temp's where winter get to soft, and just get to stiff under 5-10 deg celcius and lose their traction properities. They wrote it correct.
@@devroombagchus7460 time on a track shows how the tire behaves in extreeme conditions and how much grip it has. Basicly the lower grip = slower time. Kinda basics if you want to know.
Nov 2024 I can tell you did a lot of work on this video. It's well presented. For myself you were a big help. Going for All Weather. Now I know why. YES, I subscribed. ~ Ben Y, Vancouver ISLAND
I had all season tires and they finally wore out but this time i went with all weather tires I noticed a difference right away with the stopping and grip turning and starting. This is in the summer so can't imagine how good they will be for the winter, where i live we get some snow, some freezing rain events but a lot of the rain events it comes down like crazy. i have hydroplaned more then once with my old tires doing freeway speeds, not fun. Hopefully these will deal with the water much better. I went with the Michelin cross climate 2's
I have driven Ford Police Interceptors for over 12 years now here in New England (New Hampshire) The only tires that I run are the Goodyear Eagle Winter Enforcer all year long. Great in the summer, winter, rain cold etc. The tread wear is not bad, I get about 30K before I have to replace them, but I only drive about 5K per year....
Great review , thank you . I wished you had discussed tread depth on used tires and the legal requirements . Here in British Columbia , tread depth is checked by the police on the highways .
I have a question... The tire you show at 5:57 appears to be the General Altimax Arctic (NOT the newer ARCTIC 12) - Were the Older Altimax Arctic tires NOT actual *WINTER* Tires??? - I have 3 sets of these OLDER Altimax Arctic on Small FWD Cars 185/70-14 (I have found having more sidewall on the 14" vs. 185/60-15 3-Season Tires, seems to aid in grip, also I get 6mm more ground clearance.) - When I bought these 5+ years ago, they were advertised as *WINTER* tires...I mean, I have had very good luck with them in snow/ice (I wish studs were allowed in MN) But if there would be a better (studless) tire, I would be open to suggestions...I will be replacing 2 sets in a year or two.
The snow flake should only be allowed on "Winter Tires"... can't recall the name brand tire I had on my 2014 Eclipse, they were definitely "all weather" and sucked in a light snow even here in Vancouver..
Here in Washington state if snow tires are mandatory for going over the mountain passes, if you are driving a Subaru, then the state police will all you to drive over the passes without winter tires. But the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires are great on dry, wet, slushy and snow covered roads. Of course we always slow down while driving on bad roads but our Subie’s are Great on and off roads.
@@GearsAndTech Our son is in Med school in Seattle. He wanted a Forester Wilderness for his college car. We bought him a 3 year old Crosstrek Limited with less than 30K miles. We told him that after Med School he could buy whatever he wanted. Furthermore the Crosstrek is small enough to get around in the city easier. He’s had it now for a few months and appreciates the car. He’s already put a set of A/T tires on it, so we know he’s taking it off road. It has the 2.5L engine. We thought it would be better for going over the passes between Seattle and our house. After he finishes Med School, perhaps he’ll buy us a Wilderness. I’m sure your son is enjoying your old Subie.
You should check out your research into summer tires wet performance. It's all temperature dependent for summer tire performance, they are the best in dry & wet if the temperature is higher.
I’m watching this a year later and want to thank you for this, still pertinent, information. I put 10 ply all-weather, all-terrain tires on my F150 after my flat on The Dempster Highway in The NWT. I was thinking that the “all-terrain” would help in wetter conditions, but I don’t think they really do. Like you said, they’re okay in rain and snow, but not terrific. The beauty for me is that I have 4 wheel drive. So, when I’m in snow I use that. As well, I will hopefully be down south again this winter, so I won’t have to worry about swapping my tires out. Any thoughts on the all terrain?
At the same time here in the Nordic countrys (myself Sweden) we alternate between what you call summer tires and Nordic winter tires. So i dont understand why you couldnt do the same in Canada. And yes summer tires will always be better during summer than all season, even in nordic conditions. For information here in Europe you have all seasons, summer, european winter tires, nordic studless wintertires and studded winter tires. For summer times I use Michelin Pilot sport 5 and during winter Michelin X-ICE north 4.
You can change tires twice a year, of course. But it means that you have to spend twice on tires. Plus, you need to go to service to change them twice a year and you have to store one set somewhere. With all-weather you you have all in one. Especially, if you don't drive much in severe winter conditions. In South Ontario there is no much snow or icy roads, so all-weather works just fine. I bought Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady Tires for my Dodge Journey AWD. They work very well all year round.
@@Alex_C_5605 You dont spend twice by having to change because you tear them down half of the time by having just one set of tires. Besides, to change tires takes me 30 to 60 minutes. Thats nothing for what you get in security and also in having fun with better grip.
@@Alex_C_5605 Yes it's a bit more expensive. Many people change their wheels themselves (myself included) but doing so in a workshop is cheap. We're talking about ~40 USD. A "tyre hotel" here in Sweden costs less than the equivalent of 100 USD/year with the wheel swap included. All-weather tyres are a compromise. Jack of all trades master of none.
Many do and have a dedicated winter set on rims. Cost/convenience is probably biggest factor why most don't. I use all season tires based on my level of winter driving and vehicle I drive. Your experience and common sense when driving makes a difference too but I recognize studded tires are by far the best on ice.
Hi, Thank you for the information. Question this December since I am travelling from Toronto to Florida. Can I use my Winter Tires, or should I change it to All Seasons (M+S) only.? Thank you.
I live in a Vancouver suburb. Problem is we get crazy snow for a couple of weeks a year. It looks like a winter wonderland, then we get our usual 5 to 6C weather with rain and it is gone for a couple of days. I used to forgo winter tires and just go with all weather until I moved to a higher altitude area. More snow and steep terrain. My 2019 Honda Accord now has winter tires but I still can’t get up steep hills. 😅
The last time I went to Jasper and Banff it was still winter and there was lots of snow everywhere. I had my three years old Michelin all-season tires and I wasn't even aware that I need winter or all-weather tires in Alberta. I didn't have any problem driving through the Rockies but I was thinking, next time I will get me an extra set of winter tires. A few years ago they changed the rule in British Columbia too. If you travelling through the mountains you need one of those tires between October and April. Almost four years ago I got myself a set of Michelin Cross Climate all-weather tires. They were more expensive than Michelin all-season tires but worth every penny. The best tires I ever had.
@@GearsAndTech Yes, there is nothing as good for winter conditions as a set of winter tires and there is nothing as good for driving on dry roads in summer as a set of performance summer tires but for driving on the west coast all-weather tires are good enough.
Not a bad video, but you got a few things wrong. 1. The optimal tire scheme is to use summer tires when the temperature is above about 7 degrees C and Winter tires when the temperature drops below 7. There may be some rare exceptions like when you drive frequently between different climate zones e.g. lowland to mountain etc. 2. All tires get harder when it gets colder. No exceptions. Rubber/synthetic rubber has a plastic state, a transition state where you have a hysteresis between plastic to glass transitioning and a glass state when the rubber becomes inflexible. The rubber blend in winter tires have a lower temperature transition point. It does not get softer when colder. 3. Summer tires are very good in rain. The most significant factors causing aquaplaning are worn tires and high speed. The deep groves running along the circumference is what channels the water away. In essence, don't be lazy, buy a set of summer tires for use above 7 degrees C and a set of winter tires for use below 7 degrees C and swap when the temperature is mostly below or above 7. This will give both best performance and best economy.
3 Mountain peak rated and sized for auto and load. Les schwab has Always given me great advice when I knew where and when I would be driving on them. Load or no, etc. Ask the seasoned helper you saw on the adds for the last 10 years when possible hoho¿
There are several budget winter tires on the market that have sipes designed to wear away long before the main tread, so the tire becomes less and less effective prematurely. Make sure the sipes go deep into the tread! The best snow tires, like the Michelin Cross Climate2 snows use 3D self-locking sipes which can only flex in certain directions and there are "Hakka" and "Hakka R" sipes that Nokian invented that suck water into them. Sipes=good traction in snow and wet.
Michelin Cross Climate and Cross Climate 2 are all-weather tires. They are not winter tires but they are good for winter or any other season. The best tires I ever had.
great video :) thanks for it. 10:40 I saw a test of tyres where they test in different temp and wet/dry/snow/ice conditions. And suprisingly, summer tyres were better than winter tyres on dry road on -5°C. not by much, but they still worked fine. and they were still good on wet at 0-5°C but that was just water and not ice or something. It was clearly for the test. If there is only 1 cm of snow, summer tyres are sledge and the car is practically uncontrolable. It was tested in the middle of Europe, so there is long use of summer tyres, all-weather tyres works really well in cities most of the time and winter tyres are still the best option if you want to use your car as usual even during winter. We are obliged to have winter tyres from november 1st to march 31th but only if there is weather that could cause icing or snow on the road. it's little difficult, but basically, if there is +10°C or more and sunny, you don't need to have winter tyres.
Might I add that all weather tires while convenient, make sacrifices in all weather conditions with lessened treadwear. The cross climate 2 would be the only tire I would consider with an awd vehicle as they are quite good in the summer, decent in the rain and snow. "Tyre reviews" is the only channel I'll trust
I don't have the budget or the time currently to invest in an exhaustive comparison of specific tires. The purpose of this video was to provide general information to help educate buyers to make a better choice. So many people try to get by with bald tires or all seasons in our Canadian winters and its scary.
+1 for Tyre Reviews. +1 Cross Climate 2. Based on the, numerous, tests at Tyre Reviews - I just put on a set of cross climate 2s onto my STI. Have seen a decent amount of snow, and they work as advertised.
Interesting. They still use imperial measurements system in Alberta. It's very simple to understand, in Canada except BC's west coast all season tires are used from April to end of November and only snow tires for the remaining months. Any 'All season' tires have no traction in snow. That means accelerating and especially stopping, they just don't. A snowboard has more traction ! All weather tires are good in mild winter conditions but the problem is according to CAA, "Their rubber is stiffer than in conventional winter tires and less effective on icy surfaces. In other words, when it gets really cold out, all-weather tires don’t grip as well and all-weather tires wear faster than summer or all season tires so you get a tire that barely makes the grade in pretty well all weather and driving conditions." CAA-Quebec Automotive Advisory Services doesn’t recommend all-weather tires at all. The use of studs, for winter tires, is a double edged sword. Great on ice and hard packed snow but only at low speeds. Studded tires have reduced traction on asphalt and limited traction on ice at high speeds. For those who seek perfect tires you would be required to have on hand a set of; 1) 10 ply "deep lug" tires for hauling heavy loads or serious rocky off road applications. 2) Low pressure tires for very soft terrain and with heavier loads. 3) Rain tires are great in, you guessed it, rain or wet roads (when raining). 4) Racing tires a) slicks for drag racing on "dry" tarmac. b) CI for heat resistance C2 racing on hot abrasive tarmac. C3 Used for well balanced and versatility and all around racing. C4 Racing on twisty and curvy circuits. C5 Used for street racing. Green and Blue coded for wet and racing in the rain. You would need to check driving conditions choose which type best suited and have the tire installed. And what if the weather changed while at work ! It would make it unbearable not only the cost but all that space needed for storage. Obviously we look for a good all around tire for everyday use and in Canada it comes to two types. All season tires fit pretty much that requirement for the non winter seasons but never compromise on winter and only winter tires for that white season. Quality also plays a big part of tire choice. (Stay away from 'made in China') Made in China are cheap (Price) and some are not that bad but are prone to over heat and wear out very quickly. Remember, tires keep you from scrapping your *ss on the road and good tires can often stop two feet short of a collision. Tire pressure is paramount at all times. It saves from premature tire ware and keeps you off guard rails or out of ditches.
Some all weather tires have compounds that are quite different from all season tires and will have more biasing towards winter performance than others. The compound used on the Nokian WR G4 is clearly quite different from an all season and its winter performance is more comparable to a performance winter tire than it is an all season, IMO. It still provides excellent traction even in -15C weather and, compared to the Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady and Michelin CrossClimate 2, IMHO it is a much more winter capable tire.
hi looking for a budget option that can last a lot of miles. in non snow Toyo Celsius: Best All Weather Tire for Passenger Cars. -------------- 5. Goodyear Weather Ready. _________ 6. General AltiMAX 365AW: Best Budget Friendly All Weather Tire. -------------- 7. Nokian WR G4: Best All Weather Tire for Snow any experience on these?
I’m in Australia. I’m looking to go to our snow fields this year, the roads can be a mix of snow ice and slush. As a compromise I was looking at getting a second set of tires fitted with a set of wildpeak AT3W? Thoughts?
He's absolutely wrong about summer tires. They are good in dry and wet conditions. The key is temperature. They need heat in the tire to grip. I use Michelin PS4S summer tires as my rainy day track tires.
My inclusion of summer tires in this video is more of a side note. That being said, we both said the same thing about needing to get the tires warm. Up here in canada its very hard to get enough heat into a summer compound tire in the rain. Our surface temps are rarely above 10 degrees C in the rain.
The problem is that no matter the tire used, one must drive according to the weather, your car’s capabilities and the weather. If you are driving in the winter with all weather tires instead of winter tires, adjust your driving accordingly. Tire type is only part of the safety capability of your car. The other part is your driving skills.
Yup I put new cheap all season tires on 2014 nissan versa at 47k now she has 155k ,rotate tires once n still ok but will replace them soon as tires gets harder when gets old. Nissa versa car drives amazing on snow due to very light.
The secret to winter driving is not the tires but the driving. You need to adapt your driving to the road conditions and if the roads get icy, slow down, change lanes slowly with no abrupt or sudden jerking or movement of the steering wheel. Go easy on the brakes. Go easy on the acceleration. You need to give yourself more time and space to come to a safe stop. You need to think and anticipate that those cars ahead of you may slam on the brakes if the traffic lights ahead of them change or if something causes them to panic. Can you stop safely? You need to constantly scan your surroundings in case you have to make a move to avoid running into someone or be hit by someone. Yes having better tires will help, but it's mostly all in your attitude. And that's from someone that's driven millions of accident free miles in both a loaded and empty tractor trailer in all kinds of weather and terrain from coast to coast all over North America.
You can't anticipate all situations. A winter tire will allow the vehicle to stop in a far shorter distance and improves maneuvering much better when the unexpected happens.
True but winter tires help A LOT especially when stopping. If you live in Buffalo and drive in a blizzard (often without a choice) then winter tires help 100%
@joejohnson3441 You are lying. You are just trying to get everyone to slow down. Using all-season tires, I was driving 40mph in a 55mph zone. With winter tires in the same conditions, I was driving 55mph in a 55mph zone. My confidence went through the roof with winter tires.
I am from Austria, Salzburg. I was 1978 to 2009 with winter and summer tires. Since 2009 only winter tires, even on vacation in southern Spain. Now I consider all weather tires. Climate changed here in the last 40 years, far less snow.
I drove on all-seasons for many years in Toronto and the only time I had a problem was when my tires were worn out more than half. You don't touch on this aspect, just as you don't touch the speed factor. Any tire will become unsafe if you drive too fast, as I've seen them do in Quebec. 100 km/h on snowy highway because you have them winter tires?? Give me a break. Now that I'll be putting on a new set of all-weather and driving prudently, I have no worries.
You have no idea. Shame young people are too stupid to buy winter tires. If you have never experienced winter tires, shut up until you do because your justification for all season is BS. After driving for 53 years in horrible winter weather and doing snow plowing for 35 years, I know what I am talking about.
Tire expert here. One thing you got wrong was in the summer tire wet handling. Most water is spat straight out the back. It doesn't get channeled to the sides as you suggest. Wide circumfrencial grooves are what gets rid of the water the most effectively and most of the best wet handling tires have big wide grooves in the centre. Also winter tread depth doesn't really change in passenger car application at all. Truck and SUV vary slightly but passenger car summer and winter tires are 99% 10.5/32 or 8mm regardless.
Also the tire compound for any tire that has the the season, he claimed it was the sipeing, but the compound was the same as standard all season tires.
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It's a pitty that an influencer like you encourages the "amazing year-round solution" provided by the compromising compound of the "all weather/seasons" tyres through giving leads to such a bad "2 in 1" false promise.
Because the only connection between the car and the road is the set of tyres and whoever doesn't care about him/herself and the others in the traffic (a simple matter of protecting life, the most precious gift) is really stupid (uneducated is still stupid) and dangerous.
According to the tests that anyone can find on yt (I am not giving names), the measurements show very clearly that such "amazing solution for the whole year" is far below the winter tyres in the winter and far below the summer tyres in the summer. The only time that such a compromise would work well sometimes (mostly in the wet) is for a few weeks in the spring/fall (I am thinking on doing this - getting a 3rd set, of AW, tyres), around 7 degrees Celsius.
The cost (an often used argument) is mostly the same, except the necessary changes (that are very good for rotations, checking the brakes, alignment, balance etc. - so the changes' cost is an excellent investment for the drivers that want to be better). While I destroy one set of Bridgestone Blizzak LM005 and one set of Bridgestone Potenza Sport, others will get already to a third set of Michelin CrossClimate 2+ etc.
I appreciate your channel and your approach, but please be more responsible about your (both direct and indirect) advices, as we need to educate for safe roads.
Thank you!
Hello, Is it possible to get measurable data on the performance of the Bridgestone Turanza EL 450 and whether it would be adequate to drive between Vancouver and Banff in the winter? I would carry chains. Our vehicle is the Crown Signia. I live on the west coast and don't want to buy winter tires for one trip.
English is not my first language but I think All weather and all season tires are the same. All season covers all weather and vice versa. Don't complicate things 😊
Another thing is summer tires are better in wet roads. Why? Summer tires have better rubber compounds suitable for dry and wet than your cheap all-season or all-weather tires. You need to study more about tires before shamelessly posting video about tires.
I live in Ontario (south east). For 12 year with my 2005 Ford Mustang GT I used winter tires (in November, December, January, February and half of March) , then all seasons the rest of the time. That worked great for a 300 HP rear wheel drive vehicle. 2 years ago I got a 2020 Subaru Outback and I didn't get winter tires for it until this November. Manly do to expense but the car ran fine the winter with all seasons because it is 4WD. I decided to get some Michelin Latitude X-Ice winter tires on steel rims through FB marketplace for $600 (used for 1 season). We don't have any snow yet but now I can't wait for snow to see how the car with drive. Great video, you have a new subscriber.
You'll love it
Check out our drifting videos of our imprezza from last winter.
This year I have a new imprezza with studded winter tires for the track.
I am not an expert on tires either, but I appreciate all this valuable information explained with such clarity and honesty because you never talk about brands, only about characteristics that we should know. Thank you for your time and sharing your experience and knowledge.
Thanks for stopping by. I'm glad you enjoy it
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The thing he got incorrect is all weather tires compound. The three peak means the tire has been made with a special rubber compound that stays pliable in colder conditions
You have a great sense of humor. I accept your credentials, and wish you success.
One of these days I've been meaning to do a q and a type video where I can actually talk about my credentials
Straight-up the clearest explanation I've heard. I run the same set-up in Maine that you use.
Winter tire is a scam....been driving since 04 never once i bought winter tires....it's for people who don't know how to drive..... all season is all you need...even people who has winter tires are the one who gets in accident...
Try not to worry about what those haters say and think. I appreciate your time and work on this video.
Thanks for the support
The worst thing about winter tires is still having to deal with drivers who don't have winter tires.
Exactly
I get by just fine without them in MN, never had an accident in almost 30 years of driving. Just have to know how to drive.
@@mplslawnguy3389well like he said. They're ok. If you visit anywhere that has a Mt. In the name I'm betting going 60 around a 45mph corner while descending said mountain is not in your wheelhouse. Mom was from Minnesota and Pops from Chi town, nice and flat as hell out there. I could drive racing slicks and "get by" out there.
@@mattmann1972 Going 60 in a 45 descending down a mountain in the snow is not in anyone’s wheelhouse lol.
No the actual worst thing is reading comments from people who use them declaring their superiority over others.
Good thing about changing tires is you get a good look at the brakes etc. and can take action accordingly.
On modern cars you have brake sensor for that.
@@dmitripogosian5084 Sure the sensors are great, but they can get dirty and grimy and blocked from functioning properly. It's always a helpful measure to check wheel areas when the wheels are off. A cleanup can prevent a future failure from developing over time.
Eg: Dirt, grime or corrosion could jam up brake parts from moving properly causing possible uneven wear. Washing road dirt out before a caliper gets stuck. If there is corrosion developing get it looked at, lubricated/adjusted or repaired properly before other issues that can happen. A bad brake pad or shoe can also ruin a brake rotor or drum. Not saying it's gonna happen, but possibilities are always there.
What mikemarshall7016 was getting at is Safety First.
Great video. Being from Manitoba, and now living in Calgary for 11+ years who drives frequently to the mountains, there is nothing better than running winter/snow tires in the colder months. Some will say they drive on all-seasons and are doing fine and haven't gotten into accidents, which is great, but likely haven't ever driven on winter tires or they simply don't drive a lot to warrant the cost and effort to swap to another set of wheels. Having 2 sets of tires also reduces the mileage per year on each tire, so from a cost perspective, it can be justified while taking advantage of the increased performance/safety when you are using the right tool for the job.
Also, this video would've been great to discuss about all-terrain tires for winter weather. not all are created equal. some have the 3 peak snow flake symbol and some don't. from my experience, my all terrains with 3 peak snow flake do really well in the winter, but are still no match for winter tires.
Excellent points
Perhaps I'll do an all terrain vs winter
I agree about al terrain. They just can't hold up compared to a proper winter tire
In Lithuania, we must by law use proper tested winter tyres ( 3 peaks symbol) from November 10 to April. I have used my winter tyres in warm/ hot climates during a long holiday driving from Northern Europe to far southern Europe on a 17 thousand kilometres trip with speeds not over 140kph. Vehicle 400bhp max volvo T8 V90.
Tyre wear 'acceptable' considering, handling, stoppage distance and noise o.k.
However, using the correct tyres for summer and winter is best for total performance of all parameters.
Lastly the insurance company could invalidate a claim if inappropriate tyres for the conditions are fitted.
The above is the legal requirements for mainland Europe, and in other countries, can be different .
In Lithuania we only have winter tyres with 3 peaks symbol. The 'winter tyres' were no longer allowed as they have not had and do not need recognised testing on them. ( basically any manufacturer can state 'winter/snow' tyre)
Our snow can be up to 30cm at a time. Our temps in season average minus 5°c to a low of minus23°c.
Excellent explanation of tire types! Don’t discount your expertise; if you’re Canadian, you’re a winter tire expert!!!
We live just south of Vancouver BC, in Washington; just got Blizzacks for my SUV and Michelin Ice-X’s for the wife’s Subie. Gotta stay safe!! In my opinion, pure winter tires are NOT optional Nov-Mar around here. Keeping the winter tires on their own wheels seems to be working out; the local tire shops will swap them for free. Storing 8 extra wheels is not convenient, but a small price to pay for safety. Cheers and safe travels from Bellingham 🇺🇸!
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I would have to agree with you 100 percent. Tread pattern is important but rubber compound makes a big difference. Decades ago I was involved with dirt track racing and rubber compound was a big deal as well as for how the track was wet or drying out. So you are spot on with your information.
Thanks for the validation
All weather have the three peak, meaning they use a compound that stays flexible in very cold temps. So keep in mind, all weather tires do not use the same compound as standard all season.
Ability of the driver is the most important thing for Winter driving. I came from a non-snow area and had to train myself in this. Had a 4WD vehicle, but bought "beater" cars in the many places I moved to for work. Would take these cars out in big snowed in parking lots and push them to see what they would do for steering and braking. Great fun, and it made driving them easy in normal situations where you took more caution.
I did the same thing when I was a kid.
Now I just bought a car to take drifting on the ice over the winter and plan to get my kids out there too so they can practice
No, it isn’t. The most important things are the tires, they determine how much grip you will have on the road surface.
Your presentation is excellent general information. Having driven OTR trucks last century, in the 48 and Canada. There is a joke that there are only 2 seasons. Winter and Construction.
When I lived in Colorado, I had the experience of winter tires failing during winter. I towed my Jeep from Denver to near Moab. Just a little bit into Utah, two of the Jeep tires started chunking, and failed. This happened during the first half of April. And I dealt with snow and ice over the mountains.
Generally All Season tires are very flexible down to 45°f. But tires are very complex. Every brand has some garbage product lines. But even those tires can be excellent in specific situations.
My current operational vehicles are 4wd diesel pickups and 4wd SUV's. My wife's Cummins powered beast requires a very tough tire. Our Ecodiesel has the same tire, but gets amazing tire life. Both are running General APT tires, which is an all weather tire, and have LSD differentials. My Jeep ZJ project vehicle has General AT2 tires. My daily driver '20 Dodge Durango has Continental HT tires which are similar to Michelin LTX tires. I had tried Toyo AT3 all weather tires. They were okay, and wore well. But were not as good as the General ATP tires or even the Continental HT's, on snow and ice.
I tried Cooper AT Maxx tires as a tall and skinney experiment on my Ecodiesel. I had them siped while on the rim. The transformed from marginal on ice. To outstanding on ice, snow, and rain. Siping on the rim greatly improves many tires. I find that straight sipes work better than squiggly sipes. The squiggly sipes pick up bits of sand and gravel. Which diminishes traction. Ribbed tread designs offer a smoother quieter ride. But angled blocks give better traction while offering a smooth and guiet ride.
I carry Auto Socks for a traction device. And have never had to use them. I travel between California, Nevada, Northern Idaho, and Colorado. My 51 years as a licensed driver. Tells me that summer tires are generally good for racing and drift cars. But siping can change that. But the shoulder of the tire is critical for longevity and handling. And angled tread blocks are are the best on any grade tire.
But as you said, tires are very complex. And your presentation is excellent basic information for the common driver.
I appreciate the comments and the validation. Glad someone realized my explanation is a general understand for each type of tire, rather than get caught in the weeds arguing about a specific summer tire that's better than a specific all season, or vice versa.
Great video! Like the way that you compared each tire type. Even though we live on Vancouver Island with its relatively mild winters we change over to winter tires in November. The softer compound found on winter tires in cooler/cold temperatures ensures better/safer driving.
Thanks for the info!
I tried the Michelin Cross Climate 2. They are the unicorn tire. I use them year round now and live in the Canadian Rockies. I’m really amazed at how well they work.
Bloody excellent video dude!! A lot of people would greatly benefit from the information you've laid out here.
I live in Calgary. I drive to and through the mountains about 50 times a winter and have for the last 45 years. Our winters are changing and we are getting a lot more ice / freezing rain events these last few years. If you want to really have excellent traction you should look at studded winter tires. I have All Weathers on my second car and they are good for most winter days but when things go bad the studded winters just work so, so much better. Like I can hit the brakes hard and the antilock does not even engage. The car just stops. Yes, studs degrade dry road performance a bit but the ability to hold the road in bad conditions outweighs this minor setback 10 to 1. We should follow Quebec and make winter tires mandatory everywhere except the lower mainland. It would be safer for everyone. An inexperienced driver with proper tires would be less dangerous than one driving on half bald All Seasons. It’s just common sense.
Biggest difference I would say is the compound . Winter tires remain soft and pliable in extreme cold / snowy conditions .
Absolutely
So does Michelin Primacy 4 but its still not suitable for winter. But you got a point, Hankook winter tires are so bad because the rubber is unsuitable for winter, they are basically studded all-season tires.
@@pflaffik I Agree . Salt on roads will save lives . Take Care
@@trevorgwelch7412 Nope. There is much more grip on a loose snow than in salty mud.
@@pflaffikшипованные все жёсткие по резине, может быть только Йокогама более менее похожа по составу на зимнюю.
This is a great video but I don't think winter tires get HARDER in the heat and softer in the cold. I think they STAY soft in the cold and get TOO soft in the heat so they wear down super fast.
Yes, 100% correct... Winter tires get to soft in warm temperature, wears down crazy fast and give very little traction on dry and wet tarmac when it is warm.
Correct! That's why you can't, or shouldn't, drive on winter tires in temperatures over 40F.
@@a64738 I’ve ran winter tires during an exceptionally hot summer and they weren’t that bad. They definitely felt softer than they should be. Compared to my performance all seasons, the winters felt a bit squirrely, whereas the harder tires feel more communicative and like they respond to directions; changes more immediately. It’s definitely noticeable, but it really wasn’t so bad. The winters did wear faster, that’s no surprise, but not nearly as badly as I expected, and I drove them hard. I do drive a sporty sedan with lower profile tires, so perhaps this mitigated the overly sore feeling. Anyway, it wasn’t too bad, but I definitely notice the improvement with proper tires.
For my dad’s car, however, we have just put on winters all year. He rarely drives and when he does he doesn’t go far or fast. We preferred the best snow and ice traction, and the drawbacks are negligible with the way he drives. A few times I have taken his vehicle (an older light suv) on freeways and short highway drives in summer, and I wouldn’t say it’s a sporty ride. But it’s certainly acceptable. Especially for that vehicle type. But again, for his driving it’s plenty fine.
Just my two cents on my personal experiences 🙂
That is correct. Anyone that’s driven a winter tire knows this. I’m actually debating if I want a winter tires in the Denver area because while its great only he morning commute 1-2 days a week it snows and all the times its under 40F. But boy afternoon it is often 50-60F and sunny when it snowed 3” and was 20F that morning. A 40F swing is typical all winter.
@@a64738: yet they have have outstanding performance in the cold, ice and snow.
That's a great explanation of siping. I didn't understand this word the last time that I heard this word. As a Canadian I think that winter tires are absolutely necessary.
I love how this channel answers those questions we all have at some point or another
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great job explaining the tire types. Most people have no clue.
Thanks
Important Correction! Bridgestone Blizzak are not an All Weather, they are a Winter Tire. Bridgestone’s All Weather Tire is called “Weather Peak”
I think he said that…
Excellent tire that one! Very solid choice.
If All-Weather tires are almost the same compound as All-Season, just with better tread design, we should hopefully see a reduction in traditional All-Season and inductry move towards just having three choices again (summer, All-Weather, WInter)
Nokias all weather have the best stopping. Distance on ice compared with winter tires
@@daveoconnor9878 Nokia isn't available at my local tire place and I also needed wheels which I didn't feel comfortable ordering online for fear of getting the wrong specs. I ended up getting CrossClimate 2 so I hope that they will be good enough for West Michigan.
More choice more better, let the market decide
@@mikemccormick6128 Have you been to Washtenaw Ave in Ann Arbor, Michigan ??? i.e. The last time I was on Washtenaw Ave in Ann Arbor -- there was a place that it's only business was Tires and Wheels.
@@mikemccormick6128The Michelin CC2s work really well winter and summer for me in the Canadian Rockies. They are on a MDX AWD.
I am watching from Maghera Northern Ireland,Thank you for posting this very informative video,Keep up the good work
Good video. I live in Edmonton, and I go with studded winter tires for 6 months of the year.
Right on! Studded are great on ice
Funny that Canadians use "all season tires". In Norway, we only use one set of Summer tires in the summer, and then one set of real Winter (spiked/non-spiked) tires during the winter. All season and all weather tires are basically unheard of.
and I always thought of Canadians as living behind the times.
We aren’t as logical as people think we are
good info no one ever explained it this well before. thank you
I've been using all weather tires for years now. A couple sets of Nokians, some Firestones on my old SUV that were surprisingly good, and now a set of Michelin Cross Climates on my new car. I find them to be a good compromise between convenience and winter grip. Most OEM all season tires are designed more for mileage and fuel economy than grip, in any conditions.
Yep. I grabbed a set of Michelin Cross Climate 2's as winter ended last year cause I was fed up with my tires. I love them. I lose a bit of range, but I'll take that over getting stuck in a ditch, not being able to turn, and rear-ending someone.
I use an all terrain tire on my vehicle because I drive a truck. All seasons work for my aunt as we live where winter is light and if it’s bad enough we use my truck.
Convivence, how much do you feel your life is worth? Dying is not very convenient as well.
@@scrambler69-xk3kvdude with this approach you should have like 5 sets and put different ones every day based on weather lol.
@@scrambler69-xk3kv Then why don't you drive a tank?
A cool running tire grabbs snow better than tight lined tread. Deep and wide seem to pitch snow and heat for a new grip! Siping is a sweet addition!
Siping is cool
Nice job. I have only one objection. You said summer tires handle bad in wet conditions, this is just not accurate. If the temperature is around 9°, 10°C and up, summer tires handle best in dry/wet conditions. No question, no competition, proven in many tests.. That's a fact. Thank you for making this video.
Нет, всесезонки будут лучше при такой температуре и влажности.
Absolutely! Because summer tires have four big fat grooves on them that will evacuate water from underneath very efficiently. Unless they are bald, of course. Simple physics.
All season tires are better at nothing. They are average in all metrics except tread life. @@tomcray7907
Love the way you explain to the smallest detail down to composition of the tires!!! Eye opener to me to finally understand the difference between All Season and All Weather tires! I always get confused with that!! Great video! Love it! Thanks! :😃
Glad it was helpful!
Here in Victoria B.C. Nokian all weather on Mitsubishi RVR is a perfect pair. Great for all the rain over winter, work well for the bit of snow we get , such as now. Much better than the all seasons by a mile.
Yes for sure, anyone living along the cost of bc would benefit from all weather tires. The few times you get snow you don't have to worry. And the rest of the time they work fine
I’m currently running a set of Hakkapellita R5’s and they’re AWESOME. I noticed a considerably positive in winter driving compared to my all season tires.
I highly recommend getting a set of winter tires.
Great point!
@5:58 That's not an example of an all-weather tire. That's a General Altimax Arctic, which is a studdable winter tire (I had them without studs before). Also, the first time in the video you saw siping is in the All-season bridgestone tire you showed earlier. Siping doesn't have to be in a zigzag pattern
Winter tires don't require to have UTQG ratings. All-weather tires have UTQG ratings marked on the sidewall
All excellent info
Funny thing, I've run on All Season then Snows here in Northern Ontario since my '58 Ford; yes I'm pushing 80 and still change my tires, oil etc. Last spring I bought a set of Michelin Defender 2's at Crappy Tire. After making the puchase the fellow behind the counter said that they're not All Season tires like the original Defender. They do work well in hydro plane conditions, however.
I'm running All Weather tires here in WV. Thy work great, because our snow is really intermittent. We just had a snow that hit quick and the next day it was gone. If I lived in Canada, I'd definitely run winter tires.
I live in MN and good All Weather tires work. They're not as good as winter tires, but they can still get you by. You just have to know how to drive in the snow. Having 4X4 also makes a big difference. I think cars and other vehicles with 2WD benefit most from dedicated winter tires. I'm driving a Ram with 4WD and All Weather is more than enough to get me to where I need to go.
I can’t think of anything missing from this video !! Absolutely amazing explanation !!
Glad you liked it!
He got the tire compound on all weather tires wrong. To get the three peak symbol the tire has to use a compound that stays flexible in cold climates.
You mean silca? That is also used in some all season tires too. @SlyNine
All-Weather tires are supposed to be used for people who live in areas that usually have green grass on their lawns MOST of the winter, and only occasionally get some snowfall on the roads. For these people, they don't get enough snow to warrant pure Winter tires, and their warm weather would wear away Winter tires too quickly. If you live in an area where your grass is covered with snow during the winter months then you really should get Winter tires instead.
Excellent way to look at it.
I have 5 months of winter, snow for most of the time. I''m using WRG4 on my all cars and those AMAZING. I don't need to think about any other tires.
@@krecikowi do you have 2wd or awd vehicle? All weathers on my rwd car would only be a marginally better than an a/s.
@@wusthof641 fwd and Im not going to get other tires.
If you have really cold dry snow and live in flat land country then a wrg4 will be fine. In fact even the crappy no season tires will work marginally well.
If you live in the Pacific Northwest like I do and deal with hilly country and drives up into the foothills where the snow lives close to the 30-32 degree area you will find that the wrg4 will not cut it. You will need a dedicated winter tires to survive.
Very informative ... thanks for the video. Can you comment on the road noise generated on dry pavement for each of the tires - winter, all weather, all season and summer?
Here in West Michigan, 30 miles off the coast, we get what's called "lake effect snowfall." Translated, that means 3"-6" of snowfall above the forecasted amount. With three cars and two sets of tires, I own 24 tires.
I am looking forward to trying the Michelin CrossClimate2 all-weather tires because they may cut my rubber investment in half.
Im finding the wear life is reduced on the all weather. Coupled with confidence in the snow and ice in true winter, I still run actual winter tires in the winter, and am looking at doing all weather in the summer.
We dont get much of a fall or spring. Thats usually just a few weeks where we can look at swapping our tires over for the next season
Please dont get caught up in the idea that this will work for you. There are many different factors here. Do you drive every day?... is winter stopping you from going out? What kind of car do you own 4x4 eg, How are your driving skills? etc! I have been in the business for over 40 yrs and understand that an ALL WEATHER tire is a gift but it's not. You will always give up something... traction as they wear,, road noise, alignment, longevity, most importantly pure winter traction... there is no tire that will do everything well. Saftey first!
Think it is the same expenditure. 2 sets of tires last twice as long as one set of tires. True, you save on garage space and small hassle of replacing sets twice a year.
U stud your tires
@@drakewesterman9798 Can't. Violation of state laws. They rip up the roads I guess.
I've gone through two sets, and halfway through my third, of all weather tires and my thought is they're a great compromise for cars/crossovers or light SUVs that see less than 10k kms per year. However heavier vehicles, or higher mileage ones, often benefit more from a dedicated winter tire's performance and splitting the mileage between two sets of tires; this seems to be a good compromise between tread and compound life. Thanks for a great video explaining the differences very clearly.
Great point!
What a stupid thought. How much is your life worth? Do you want to risk sliding into oncoming traffic or into a tree. or maybe getting stuck and with no one around you freeze to death. I just do not understand some people thoughts. Quit being cheap and stupid. I don't know when this happened, but there was a time when people were smart enough to realize it is your life and everyone at a certain time of year knew it was time to install winter tires.
I disagree. I have a 1 ton service van. Nissan NV3500. I am a Refrigeration Tech. My van is loaded with tools and parts. Refrigerant containers. I have 6 right now at 50# each. I have probably 100,000 kms on my ALL WEATHER tires.
From what I have read, most all weather tire actually have an improved rubber compound ( usually added soy based material) that allows the tire to stay relatively soft compared to their all season counterparts.
Yes. The compound is the difference
@@GearsAndTechyou claimed otherwise
There were very few actual "all weather" tire before there were even "all weather" tire category in consumer market. All of them(only very few existed five to six years ago) were in AT/All Terrain Tire category, the most famous one probably would be Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, it''s a very good AT tire, but also drives very well on snow and ice, it will outperform many winter tires in many winter condition, and will outperform most of winter tires in really really deep fresh snow. it's also studdable if it's ever needed. So I will say all weather vs winter, it really depends on which exactly brand/model of tire you are getting.
Tire working temperature matters , not the dry wet. Summer tire working above certain temperature gains the max performance not matter dry and wet according to the test compare to the all season tire.(search them on UA-cam)
I would Like to know Your Opinion on which All-weather tire is the BEST? Bridgestone Weatherpeak or Firestone Weathergrip or Michelin CrossClimate 2, Boston MA 🇺🇸🇨🇦🙂.
You are incorrect about the summer tire, it offers the best wet and dry performance IF the temperature is not to low (rubber becomes to hard when approaching freezing).
By wet i mean normal rain conditions, if you run in 2 inches of water there might be better options.
If as you say you go from winter to summer quickly you could benefit from them.
In Sweden that have similar climate most people use Summer tires then swap to Nordic winter tires. All season better fit climates with long drawn out fall and spring where the temperature stays between 0-10 C and you only ocationaly see snow.
In addition to warm summers we get frequent flash rain that will have more than 2” of water you need to drive through.
I wouldn't recommend a summer tire to anyone driving on our climate.
Other places its probably a great idea. Not here though
Great information.
Guy Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
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Aquaplanning and wet weather grip are no the same. Therefore summer tyres can have great wet grip, but suspectable to aqua planning. Many (even high performance) tyre have execeptional good wet grip
I said essentially the same thing and then I saw you already did.
It's called Hydro planning not aqua
I agree with you. But I think in other parts of the world they say aqua
Called Aqua planning in Ireland
I bought some all weather tires as an experiment for summer and fall hunting. They were also all terrain tires. I figured I would switch to my winter tires later after hunting season and save wear on them. When the pandemic hit I figured I'd keep the all weather tires on for the winter since I wasn't going to travel anywhere far. I can tell you without a doubt they are nowhere near as good as a winter tire. They are a little better than the straight all terrain tire in snow and wet conditions but in winter they get too hard and don't grip as well as my winter tires. My vehicle is very old and the vehicle stability control and ABS don't function well or at all in cold weather if you don't have winter tires. With the winter tire these systems work very well. I live in NB and can get by with an all weather tire but getting by isn't good enough when the car in front of you on winter tires suddenly stops. You need to be able to stop as fast as every other car on the road. An all weather tire won't do it.
I have to agree with you. I had all season tyres in my car and I live in the UK but recently we’ve had a lot of ice which in my opinion is actually more dangerous to drive on that low level snow as cars just skid around in. I had driven on ice with my all season tyres they felt treacherous especially as I leave home before dawn prior to other cars and sun warming up the road. I bit the bullet and change to winter tyres. The difference is light and day, probably the best tyre decision I have ever made. It was an expensive switch but it was a small price to pay for my safety, the safety of my car and the safety of others on the road.
I think the verbiage used, in tire discussions is one of the most confusing aspects of it. I have never seen a A/T tire marked as all weather. However, I have seen and used some A/T tires with 3mountain peak rating. I run 3mtpk rated A/Ts late fall and switch to Blizzak for winter on my 4runner my wife runs Toyo Celsius CUVs on her AWD year around.
After doing research, I see that Michelin Crossclimate and Hankook Kinergy 4S2 are the all-weather ( 4 seasons ) tires because the tests show good results over snow (winter). All the other all-season tires are just 3-season tires since they do not performed over snow (winter).
Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady is also an all-weather tire, as is the Bridgestone WeatherPeak.
I have the CrossClimate II and we got hit with early snow this year. Drove around a bit that day then went home and put the X-Ice on….difference is night and day. Real world can be quite different from “tests”.
The arguement I hear is “why would I want the expense of having two sets of tires.” My answer is two-fold: 1) as you said, the price of a second set is less than the cost of a collision, and, 2) miles you put on your winter tires are miles not put on your summer tirs so they last longer. “Yes, but doesn’t it hurt to be always mounting, balancing, remounting tires twice a year?” Yup, that’s why you get a separate set of rims for your winter tires…one year and they’re paid for. Personally I use Michelin Cross Climate II for my spring, summer, and fall seasons but X-Ice Snow for winter grips.
100% correct.
An excellent review - thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Winter tires make such a difference. I have used Duratrac tires on my Toyota FJ Cruiser since I got it 10 years ago. They have the M+S 3 mountain peak symbol. The FJ will go through any blizzard no problem. Ice is so so, but much better than an all season. But I also have a Honda Civic that I put Blizzak tires on for a couple winters. Even with my old 08 Civic, with Blizzak tires, driving was a dream in winter! I actually preferred driving my Civic rather than the FJ when I could. Just complete control. Could do little slides around corners on purpose, and be 100% in control. Of course if the show got too high / over the CIvic bumper, then the FJ wins (and of course if the FJ had Blizzaks it would win too). But yeah, winter tires are amazing, but have to swap them out twice a year.
4:46 "Here in Alberta we only have two real seasons- summer and winter" so sad but so true 😂
Unfortunately
And now winter has started
Haha! So true, but I think fall and spring are each a weekend - sometimes just overnight!
This is The best video explaining difference between tires 💥 thank you 👍
Glad it was helpful!
My experience with winter tires vs any others is that the winter tires have always outperformed the others
Same
I've rolled on all season all my life living in northern Alberta. This winter will be my first time ever purchasing winter rubber. I drive a 2019 Jetta, and going with the Nitro 3
You’ll be surprised at the difference!
I agree. Once you use a true winter tire you'll never want to go back
Only if you have space in your garage for a whole second set of tires
@@GearsAndTech yup. I put my all season Nokians back on, and guess what 6" of snow. Spring time in Alberta!
I never knew there was a distinction between "all weather" and "winter" tires either -- both have the 3 peak and M+S rating. but note in your example of the "all weather" tire (looks to be like a Hankook I-Pike? I used to run these) it is studdable -- has holes for someone to install metal studs -- studs are unbeatable on ice, but noisy and will tear up the roads, so might be illegal in your jurisdiction and/or limited to certain months of the year). the Blizzak, while a studless tire, is definitely more softer (this is what I run currently) and bites into packed snow better. But on ice, I'd still rather have a studded tire...
Yeah. The all weather is a recent development that further confuses the market. Especially since they carry the same markings as winter tires.
Excellent video, plain and concise information, couldn't have said it better myself.
Glad you liked it!
3:51 Tire experts will tell you that summer tires do have better traction than all-season tires on WARM wet roads.
Here's a link to a test on the Tyre Reviews channel: ua-cam.com/video/bKtnczk8Mxk/v-deo.html
you're really splitting hairs there. In one very specific circumstance the summer tire has suddenly (barely) been able to stop half a foot sooner than an all season tire. This hardly makes the straight summer tire the right choice for a daily driver.
But as I pointed out in the video, for a purpose use vehicle, such as a convertible where you are most likely to be driving in those specific circumstance, the summer tire is an excellent choice.
That does not take away from the point being made in this video. Especially when I only threw the summer tire in as an aside, and not as the main point of the video.
Thanks for stopping by.
Yep. They even out braked all other tyres on cold but dry roads too. I've seen that test:-)
Well what you have described as an All Weather Tyre in Canada is called an All Season Tyre in the United Kingdom such as the Michelin Crossclimate 2 and Goodyear Vector 4, which both have the 3 Mountain Peak Symbol & Snowflake Symbol on the Tyre Sidewall.
We have 'all season' as well. But they seem to be getting more rare as the lines get blurred
Summer tires depending on type are excellent on water conditions. In summer you will get the best lap times on these tires even in rain vs other tire types, as long as they are not purposly track tires (that are considered semi slics). Summer tires are soft on high temp's where winter get to soft, and just get to stiff under 5-10 deg celcius and lose their traction properities. They wrote it correct.
Why and when are time lapses important if you’re not in a race?
@@devroombagchus7460 time on a track shows how the tire behaves in extreeme conditions and how much grip it has. Basicly the lower grip = slower time. Kinda basics if you want to know.
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I can tell you did a lot of work on this video. It's well presented.
For myself you were a big help. Going for All Weather. Now I know why.
YES, I subscribed.
~ Ben Y, Vancouver ISLAND
Michelin ps4s fantastic in the wet. I use my firehawks in bc canada and are fabulous in the wet
I had all season tires and they finally wore out but this time i went with all weather tires I noticed a difference right away with the stopping and grip turning and starting. This is in the summer so can't imagine how good they will be for the winter, where i live we get some snow, some freezing rain events but a lot of the rain events it comes down like crazy. i have hydroplaned more then once with my old tires doing freeway speeds, not fun. Hopefully these will deal with the water much better. I went with the Michelin cross climate 2's
I have driven Ford Police Interceptors for over 12 years now here in New England (New Hampshire) The only tires that I run are the Goodyear Eagle Winter Enforcer all year long.
Great in the summer, winter, rain cold etc. The tread wear is not bad, I get about 30K before I have to replace them, but I only drive about 5K per year....
Thanks!
You bet!
Great review , thank you . I wished you had discussed tread depth on used tires and the legal requirements . Here in British Columbia , tread depth is checked by the police on the highways .
Excellent video thank you so much for the enlightenment. Would you be kind enough to let us know which all weather tires you have used and compared?
My fire hawk 500 summer tires are awesome in the rain.. much much better than my continental all seasons were.. I live in western Canada.
I have a question... The tire you show at 5:57 appears to be the General Altimax Arctic (NOT the newer ARCTIC 12) - Were the Older Altimax Arctic tires NOT actual *WINTER* Tires???
- I have 3 sets of these OLDER Altimax Arctic on Small FWD Cars 185/70-14 (I have found having more sidewall on the 14" vs. 185/60-15 3-Season Tires, seems to aid in grip, also I get 6mm more ground clearance.) - When I bought these 5+ years ago, they were advertised as *WINTER* tires...I mean, I have had very good luck with them in snow/ice (I wish studs were allowed in MN) But if there would be a better (studless) tire, I would be open to suggestions...I will be replacing 2 sets in a year or two.
The snow flake should only be allowed on "Winter Tires"... can't recall the name brand tire I had on my 2014 Eclipse, they were definitely "all weather" and sucked in a light snow even here in Vancouver..
Here in Washington state if snow tires are mandatory for going over the mountain passes, if you are driving a Subaru, then the state police will all you to drive over the passes without winter tires.
But the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires are great on dry, wet, slushy and snow covered roads.
Of course we always slow down while driving on bad roads but our Subie’s are Great on and off roads.
Our ice drifter last your was a subbie. I gave that to my son for his 16th birthday. So I went and bought another one for my ice drifter this year
@@GearsAndTech Our son is in Med school in Seattle.
He wanted a Forester Wilderness for his college car.
We bought him a 3 year old Crosstrek Limited with less than 30K miles.
We told him that after Med School he could buy whatever he wanted.
Furthermore the Crosstrek is small enough to get around in the city easier.
He’s had it now for a few months and appreciates the car.
He’s already put a set of A/T tires on it, so we know he’s taking it off road.
It has the 2.5L engine. We thought it would be better for going over the passes between Seattle and our house.
After he finishes Med School, perhaps he’ll buy us a Wilderness.
I’m sure your son is enjoying your old Subie.
You should check out your research into summer tires wet performance. It's all temperature dependent for summer tire performance, they are the best in dry & wet if the temperature is higher.
My inclusion of summer tires was more or less to acknowledge they exist.
In our climate they don't have a lot of value.
I’m watching this a year later and want to thank you for this, still pertinent, information. I put 10 ply all-weather, all-terrain tires on my F150 after my flat on The Dempster Highway in The NWT. I was thinking that the “all-terrain” would help in wetter conditions, but I don’t think they really do. Like you said, they’re okay in rain and snow, but not terrific. The beauty for me is that I have 4 wheel drive. So, when I’m in snow I use that. As well, I will hopefully be down south again this winter, so I won’t have to worry about swapping my tires out. Any thoughts on the all terrain?
All terrain tend to have chunky treads with lots of rubber. The slits in the rubber is what gives ice traction.
Chunky rubber is good for deep snow
At the same time here in the Nordic countrys (myself Sweden) we alternate between what you call summer tires and Nordic winter tires. So i dont understand why you couldnt do the same in Canada. And yes summer tires will always be better during summer than all season, even in nordic conditions.
For information here in Europe you have all seasons, summer, european winter tires, nordic studless wintertires and studded winter tires.
For summer times I use Michelin Pilot sport 5 and during winter Michelin X-ICE north 4.
You can change tires twice a year, of course. But it means that you have to spend twice on tires. Plus, you need to go to service to change them twice a year and you have to store one set somewhere. With all-weather you you have all in one. Especially, if you don't drive much in severe winter conditions. In South Ontario there is no much snow or icy roads, so all-weather works just fine. I bought Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady Tires for my Dodge Journey AWD. They work very well all year round.
@@Alex_C_5605 You dont spend twice by having to change because you tear them down half of the time by having just one set of tires. Besides, to change tires takes me 30 to 60 minutes. Thats nothing for what you get in security and also in having fun with better grip.
@@Alex_C_5605 Yes it's a bit more expensive.
Many people change their wheels themselves (myself included) but doing so in a workshop is cheap. We're talking about ~40 USD.
A "tyre hotel" here in Sweden costs less than the equivalent of 100 USD/year with the wheel swap included.
All-weather tyres are a compromise. Jack of all trades master of none.
Many do and have a dedicated winter set on rims. Cost/convenience is probably biggest factor why most don't. I use all season tires based on my level of winter driving and vehicle I drive. Your experience and common sense when driving makes a difference too but I recognize studded tires are by far the best on ice.
And when or if are tyre chains mandatory like in Austria and Switzerland?
Hi, Thank you for the information. Question this December since I am travelling from Toronto to Florida. Can I use my Winter Tires, or should I change it to All Seasons (M+S) only.? Thank you.
for a trip like that I would go with all weather, or all season. Youll burn through them fast once in florida
Go to 9:50 to skip the fluff
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I live in a Vancouver suburb. Problem is we get crazy snow for a couple of weeks a year. It looks like a winter wonderland, then we get our usual 5 to 6C weather with rain and it is gone for a couple of days. I used to forgo winter tires and just go with all weather until I moved to a higher altitude area. More snow and steep terrain. My 2019 Honda Accord now has winter tires but I still can’t get up steep hills. 😅
No tires will go up those steep hills in North Vancouver... Lol
@@Topazpm20 lol. Not a chance.
The last time I went to Jasper and Banff it was still winter and there was lots of snow everywhere. I had my three years old Michelin all-season tires and I wasn't even aware that I need winter or all-weather tires in Alberta. I didn't have any problem driving through the Rockies but I was thinking, next time I will get me an extra set of winter tires. A few years ago they changed the rule in British Columbia too. If you travelling through the mountains you need one of those tires between October and April. Almost four years ago I got myself a set of Michelin Cross Climate all-weather tires. They were more expensive than Michelin all-season tires but worth every penny. The best tires I ever had.
Sometimes our government does something that is for our own good.
You can get pretty much anywhere you need with a good all weather tire
@@GearsAndTech Yes, there is nothing as good for winter conditions as a set of winter tires and there is nothing as good for driving on dry roads in summer as a set of performance summer tires but for driving on the west coast all-weather tires are good enough.
Excellent presentation
Not a bad video, but you got a few things wrong.
1. The optimal tire scheme is to use summer tires when the temperature is above about 7 degrees C and Winter tires when the temperature drops below 7. There may be some rare exceptions like when you drive frequently between different climate zones e.g. lowland to mountain etc.
2. All tires get harder when it gets colder. No exceptions. Rubber/synthetic rubber has a plastic state, a transition state where you have a hysteresis between plastic to glass transitioning and a glass state when the rubber becomes inflexible. The rubber blend in winter tires have a lower temperature transition point. It does not get softer when colder.
3. Summer tires are very good in rain. The most significant factors causing aquaplaning are worn tires and high speed. The deep groves running along the circumference is what channels the water away.
In essence, don't be lazy, buy a set of summer tires for use above 7 degrees C and a set of winter tires for use below 7 degrees C and swap when the temperature is mostly below or above 7. This will give both best performance and best economy.
3 Mountain peak rated and sized for auto and load. Les schwab has Always given me great advice when I knew where and when I would be driving on them. Load or no, etc. Ask the seasoned helper you saw on the adds for the last 10 years when possible hoho¿
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There are several budget winter tires on the market that have sipes designed to wear away long before the main tread, so the tire becomes less and less effective prematurely. Make sure the sipes go deep into the tread! The best snow tires, like the Michelin Cross Climate2 snows use 3D self-locking sipes which can only flex in certain directions and there are "Hakka" and "Hakka R" sipes that Nokian invented that suck water into them. Sipes=good traction in snow and wet.
Michelin Cross Climate and Cross Climate 2 are all-weather tires. They are not winter tires but they are good for winter or any other season. The best tires I ever had.
@@MrCROBosanceros Totally true, I stand corrected, thanks!
great video :) thanks for it.
10:40 I saw a test of tyres where they test in different temp and wet/dry/snow/ice conditions. And suprisingly, summer tyres were better than winter tyres on dry road on -5°C. not by much, but they still worked fine. and they were still good on wet at 0-5°C but that was just water and not ice or something. It was clearly for the test. If there is only 1 cm of snow, summer tyres are sledge and the car is practically uncontrolable. It was tested in the middle of Europe, so there is long use of summer tyres, all-weather tyres works really well in cities most of the time and winter tyres are still the best option if you want to use your car as usual even during winter. We are obliged to have winter tyres from november 1st to march 31th but only if there is weather that could cause icing or snow on the road. it's little difficult, but basically, if there is +10°C or more and sunny, you don't need to have winter tyres.
That's a pretty specific test that created circumstances most drivers wouldn't face
My first time having to purchase tires and I feel like I need to register for a three-week tire course. 🤦♀
I know. It doesn't help that manufacturers create confusion on purpose to trick you into buying theirs
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Might I add that all weather tires while convenient, make sacrifices in all weather conditions with lessened treadwear. The cross climate 2 would be the only tire I would consider with an awd vehicle as they are quite good in the summer, decent in the rain and snow. "Tyre reviews" is the only channel I'll trust
I don't have the budget or the time currently to invest in an exhaustive comparison of specific tires.
The purpose of this video was to provide general information to help educate buyers to make a better choice.
So many people try to get by with bald tires or all seasons in our Canadian winters and its scary.
+1 for Tyre Reviews. +1 Cross Climate 2. Based on the, numerous, tests at Tyre Reviews - I just put on a set of cross climate 2s onto my STI. Have seen a decent amount of snow, and they work as advertised.
Interesting. They still use imperial measurements system in Alberta. It's very simple to understand, in Canada except BC's west coast all season tires are used from April to end of November and only snow tires for the remaining months. Any 'All season' tires have no traction in snow. That means accelerating and especially stopping, they just don't. A snowboard has more traction ! All weather tires are good in mild winter conditions but the problem is according to CAA, "Their rubber is stiffer than in conventional winter tires and less effective on icy surfaces. In other words, when it gets really cold out, all-weather tires don’t grip as well and all-weather tires wear faster than summer or all season tires so you get a tire that barely makes the grade in pretty well all weather and driving conditions." CAA-Quebec Automotive Advisory Services doesn’t recommend all-weather tires at all. The use of studs, for winter tires, is a double edged sword. Great on ice and hard packed snow but only at low speeds. Studded tires have reduced traction on asphalt and limited traction on ice at high speeds. For those who seek perfect tires you would be required to have on hand a set of; 1) 10 ply "deep lug" tires for hauling heavy loads or serious rocky off road applications. 2) Low pressure tires for very soft terrain and with heavier loads. 3) Rain tires are great in, you guessed it, rain or wet roads (when raining). 4) Racing tires a) slicks for drag racing on "dry" tarmac. b) CI for heat resistance C2 racing on hot abrasive tarmac. C3 Used for well balanced and versatility and all around racing. C4 Racing on twisty and curvy circuits. C5 Used for street racing. Green and Blue coded for wet and racing in the rain. You would need to check driving conditions choose which type best suited and have the tire installed. And what if the weather changed while at work ! It would make it unbearable not only the cost but all that space needed for storage. Obviously we look for a good all around tire for everyday use and in Canada it comes to two types. All season tires fit pretty much that requirement for the non winter seasons but never compromise on winter and only winter tires for that white season. Quality also plays a big part of tire choice. (Stay away from 'made in China') Made in China are cheap (Price) and some are not that bad but are prone to over heat and wear out very quickly. Remember, tires keep you from scrapping your *ss on the road and good tires can often stop two feet short of a collision. Tire pressure is paramount at all times. It saves from premature tire ware and keeps you off guard rails or out of ditches.
Some all weather tires have compounds that are quite different from all season tires and will have more biasing towards winter performance than others. The compound used on the Nokian WR G4 is clearly quite different from an all season and its winter performance is more comparable to a performance winter tire than it is an all season, IMO. It still provides excellent traction even in -15C weather and, compared to the Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady and Michelin CrossClimate 2, IMHO it is a much more winter capable tire.
Thanks for that comment. What are your thoughts on General Altimax 365?
hi looking for a budget option that can last a lot of miles. in non snow
Toyo Celsius:
Best All Weather Tire for Passenger Cars.
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5. Goodyear Weather Ready.
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6. General AltiMAX 365AW:
Best Budget Friendly All Weather Tire.
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7. Nokian WR G4:
Best All Weather Tire for Snow
any experience on these?
Any tire that has the three peak has that compound. All weather need they compound to handle very cold weather.
I’m in Australia. I’m looking to go to our snow fields this year, the roads can be a mix of snow ice and slush. As a compromise I was looking at getting a second set of tires fitted with a set of wildpeak AT3W? Thoughts?
Seems like a good choice
He's absolutely wrong about summer tires. They are good in dry and wet conditions. The key is temperature. They need heat in the tire to grip. I use Michelin PS4S summer tires as my rainy day track tires.
My inclusion of summer tires in this video is more of a side note.
That being said, we both said the same thing about needing to get the tires warm. Up here in canada its very hard to get enough heat into a summer compound tire in the rain. Our surface temps are rarely above 10 degrees C in the rain.
Just got new 3 peaks last week for the first time and am feeling pretty good about it considering i have always used all seasons without incident.
That's going to make a huge difference
The problem is that no matter the tire used, one must drive according to the weather, your car’s capabilities and the weather.
If you are driving in the winter with all weather tires instead of winter tires, adjust your driving accordingly. Tire type is only part of the safety capability of your car. The other part is your driving skills.
Yup I put new cheap all season tires on 2014 nissan versa at 47k now she has 155k ,rotate tires once n still ok but will replace them soon as tires gets harder when gets old. Nissa versa car drives amazing on snow due to very light.
So true.
No matter how good of a pidriver you are, the winter tyres for the winter are a must for any driver caring for him/herself and others.
Great video, I can finally explain to my wife why we need to switch from all season to all weather tires here in Sask.
Hope it helps
The secret to winter driving is not the tires but the driving. You need to adapt your driving to the road conditions and if the roads get icy, slow down, change lanes slowly with no abrupt or sudden jerking or movement of the steering wheel. Go easy on the brakes. Go easy on the acceleration. You need to give yourself more time and space to come to a safe stop. You need to think and anticipate that those cars ahead of you may slam on the brakes if the traffic lights ahead of them change or if something causes them to panic. Can you stop safely? You need to constantly scan your surroundings in case you have to make a move to avoid running into someone or be hit by someone. Yes having better tires will help, but it's mostly all in your attitude. And that's from someone that's driven millions of accident free miles in both a loaded and empty tractor trailer in all kinds of weather and terrain from coast to coast all over North America.
You can't anticipate all situations. A winter tire will allow the vehicle to stop in a far shorter distance and improves maneuvering much better when the unexpected happens.
True but winter tires help A LOT especially when stopping. If you live in Buffalo and drive in a blizzard (often without a choice) then winter tires help 100%
@joejohnson3441 You are lying. You are just trying to get everyone to slow down. Using all-season tires, I was driving 40mph in a 55mph zone. With winter tires in the same conditions, I was driving 55mph in a 55mph zone. My confidence went through the roof with winter tires.
There is no secret. Plus that winter tyres in the winter are far better - and people using their brains will choose safety.
The only thing allowing the driver inputs to even matter is the thing that connects the driver to the road.
I am from Austria, Salzburg. I was 1978 to 2009 with winter and summer tires. Since 2009 only winter tires, even on vacation in southern Spain. Now I consider all weather tires.
Climate changed here in the last 40 years, far less snow.
I drove on all-seasons for many years in Toronto and the only time I had a problem was when my tires were worn out more than half. You don't touch on this aspect, just as you don't touch the speed factor. Any tire will become unsafe if you drive too fast, as I've seen them do in Quebec. 100 km/h on snowy highway because you have them winter tires?? Give me a break. Now that I'll be putting on a new set of all-weather and driving prudently, I have no worries.
You have no idea. Shame young people are too stupid to buy winter tires. If you have never experienced winter tires, shut up until you do because your justification for all season is BS. After driving for 53 years in horrible winter weather and doing snow plowing for 35 years, I know what I am talking about.
That’s about the way I feel just west of you
Hi, thanks for the amazing video! How much winter driving conditions can a FWD civic with winter tyres handle?
Pretty much anything you can throw at it. As long as you stay on the road you'll be good
Tire expert here.
One thing you got wrong was in the summer tire wet handling. Most water is spat straight out the back. It doesn't get channeled to the sides as you suggest. Wide circumfrencial grooves are what gets rid of the water the most effectively and most of the best wet handling tires have big wide grooves in the centre.
Also winter tread depth doesn't really change in passenger car application at all. Truck and SUV vary slightly but passenger car summer and winter tires are 99% 10.5/32 or 8mm regardless.
Awesome. If that's all I got wrong then I'm happy.
Thanks for sharing.
Also the tire compound for any tire that has the the season, he claimed it was the sipeing, but the compound was the same as standard all season tires.