The reason the resistance light comes on , if the simulation is true to life, is that for sustained running, the notch-up lever and hence power, needs to be in one of the last 4 notches. These are the weak-field notches, to run in a full-field notch for too long will overheat the resistor banks. A weak field notch needs to be taken as soon as practicable, if this would result in a linespeed exceedance, then re-gen can be called on to hold the speed at the desired point, even whilst motoring. As you said, it's a complicated system , but very versatile, and immeasurably satisfying when you really know what you're doing . Some of the old leccy men could make the BO-BO's sit up and sing to them !
Good upload ,this line should never have closed ,and i remember walking through the woodhead tunnel in 82 ,very long and dark lol but the signals were all still lit !!
An essential tutorial if you're going to drive this loco. I tried to drive it again today (after a gap of a year or so) without watching the video first and soon got into trouble. Thanks once again, excellent content, as are all of your tutorials.
I used to drive trucks with an ex woodhead driver and when I asked him what the transfer switch was for he couldn't believe they had gone to the trouble of putting that particular feature in. He told me that it was only an afterthought and never did very much and most loco's had cobwebs on the switch. But one thing he did tell me was about the dynamic brake. His words were as follows "well they always said that the one going down the hill powered the one coming up the hill". I don't know but as far as I believe the dynamic brake put power back into the overhead lines but it had to be controlled by a guy at trackside power control stations of which there were a few. I'm no historian on this so if anybody can tell me more about this line then please do I love it. Happy driving all.
Having grown up in Manchester and traveled from Manchester Piccadilly to Glossop numerous times I loved the mid-50s industrial architecture of east Manchester... good stuff!
I travelled on this line in the late 1950's so was glad to see that you had covered this line. It was a great pity that this line was closed and ripped up considering it was an electrified route between too important cities. Great stuff. Wonderful video!
+Spencer Sandy I must say I am slightly jealous of the opportunity you had to travel on this line! I honestly don't think this route should ever have been closed or ripped up and would love to have had the opportunity to travel along here myself. Many thanks Spencer! :)
My uncle Chris worked in Sheffield during the late 50s and there is a fair chance he would have travelled on this line. In the late 40s these locomotives must have sounded like something from science fiction, compared with traditional steam.
My father worked at a B.R. facility on this line and we made a trip to Glossop from Ashburys shortly after it opened as an electrified passenger route in 1954. For a time the route came under the control of B.R.'s Eastern Region, even the section that was in the Manchester area. Photos of the '50s gantries between London Road and Ardwick showed only two tracks had an overhead supply with simple gantrywork until around 1960, when the WCML electrification scheme introduced new warren-girder support-spans that covered all the tracks on the viaduct out of London Road up to Ardwick.
Stuart John Thanks! I agree with you, it's great to see the old BR days caught in game. I think this route has a really good feel and atmosphere to it. One of the best out there for the atmosphere :)
I think Sir Nigel Gresley did some work on designing these locos for the Woodhead line and also some work on the Woodhead line. It's a shame that they closed this line as it was quite an old electric line.
Meengineer100 Sir Nigel Gresley did indeed have a hand in designing the locomotives for this line. He commissioned a Beyer-Garatt steam locomotive to haul heavy coal trains. This was because of the reduced permitted axle loadings on this route. Interestingly it is reported that this loco would only steam properly when operated in one direction, if it was turned it could not raise enough steam reliably. I have no information about the reason why this was so.
Fast forward to 2021. They never fixed that "broken rail" between Hadfield and Crowden and there are still half people wandering around, as at 39:13. I don't see the EM2 DLC for sale on Steam. Has it been deleted?
Whenever I travel across from Yorkshire to Manchester (usually going to the airport) I have often wondered what the giant cantilevers above the tracks on approach to Piccadilly were for. Cool to know
Really enjoyed this video, the first of yours I saw. I am a huge fan of the Woodhead Route & found this video brilliant & informing. Cheers ! P.S. Would love another, including, maybe a frieght run from Wath up the 1:40 !!
If the woodhead line was still here, my god. I can already imagine being on a 142 going full speed through the 3 mile woodhead tunnel. The strength of the draft would be like a jet stream.
If the Woodhead line was still in existence, they wouldn't be still using the 142's!! ....it would be something like the class 88 (electric version of the class 68). Those class 142's date from the early 50's!
@@johnm2012 ....don't know why I said 'class 142's'??? ...I meant class 76 locos - which date from the early 50's. Class 88's are the nearest modern day equivalent to them.
Awesome video, on a great route. I need to do this one even though Electric trains are not my favorites by any stretch of imagination. This looks pretty darn cool, and from a bygone era, just like me. ;) Thank you PTGRail.
A excellent video which captures the atmosphere and era very well, i suppose once trained the loco's were easy to drive as they weren't' as straight forward as they could have been . if this was a true reflection of the route how sad that todays railway we're basically left with just an UP and a Down line and nothing either side.
I like seeing and playing this route after walking it many times in real life. The station at Broadbottom still looks like that today and even the buildings on the road above the station are modelled in the proper places. I just wish you could go past Dinting station to Glossop on this route, as that would complete it for me.
Thank you! I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying these videos and now enjoying UK routes. I have made one video on a German route now too, I don't know if you have seen it yet? Thanks again :)
Sure i have seen your Video from the Hamburg to Hannover Route. This is my Favoriteroute of Germany, but ... (only a very small but) ... i don't like the ICE Train (at all). I am a Fan of the older German Locos like the 103 or 120. I have build some (i think) nice Scenarios for this Route with the 103 and 120 Loco's. But anyway ... your Way or Style to explain the Routes and the Handling of the Loco's are really that whats make your Videos so Special to me. I really think about a Way to make some Videos with german Language but close to your Style.
+PTGRail Fantastic video Sir totally enjoyed it from start to Finnish. Just wondering if you could ever make the Manchester Victoria to Wakefield Westgate route, sadly the direct service no longer exists and you have to change at Huddersfield now to go to Wakefield but it was a fantastic route.
What a fantastic video. I am not a train nerd, so the technical stuff didn't interest me at all, but I really appreciated the period detail and being able to compare then with now.
Excellent video which brought back childhood memories of travelling on this line. Only one small criticism, the train brakes are vacuum brakes. You refer to readings on the vacuum gauge ( correct ) but then say that you are applying the air brakes ( not correct ). Keep up the good work !
What a strange loco to drive. The modern dynamic braking may not be any more effective, but certainly easier to use than this regenerative braking. Loved the jump - thought you were going to derail :-)
I'm suspecting the reason the EM2 speedo is in KM is that they were exported to the Netherlands after BR service. Presumably someone used a Dutch loco for their reference when making the Speedo
@@PTGRail The Tyne and wye metro is 1.5dc OLE but new trains will have 25kv and OLE options so if the line between Sunderland and plelaw. I between the line it is on the north Durham coast Lin please do not quite me on that.
If the line was still here in 2018-2020 the class 93 & class 88 electro diesels should be able to climb it. Pulling passenger and goods train with the former having special Railway wagons to put Lorries in where it will be exchanged in Dolands Moor for a Class 92 over the Channel tunnel. then a French BB 36300 if your lorry train has to end in Italy via Frejus Tunnel. Spanish class 252 lorry train Calais-Perpignan-Barcelona. Both occur in Calais by shunting the channel tunnel locomotive for a conventional European Mainland electric locomotive.
Once again another fantastic route learning video. They're so entertaining to watch. By the way may I ask which are you using for these great videos? A regular mouse and keyboard or a raildriver cab controller?
Thanks for the comment! :) .. I just use the keyboard to control the train. I got used to using the keyboard over years of playing train simulators. :)
FinestInstinct No problem. I try to reply to all comments though sometimes I miss some :) Thanks, there will be more US videos in the future! I'm hoping to cover at least one US video a month if I can. The next will be the Pacific Surfliner route in 2 or 3 weeks time I hope :)
Florida Railfanning 812 I think it is as I live near guide bridge and I have only known it as having a 2 lane track on 1 platform. Seems 2 platforms on the video.
The later blue livery woodhead scenario is MUCH better than this. Although it is sad to see the state of Sheffield Victoria in it, the driving of the 76 is far more accurate. I appreciate that the blue livery scenario wasn't around when this video was made though... just saying :)
Dinting viaduct. It was strengthened by the addition of brick piers, which spoil it's symmetry when viewed from below. The structurally similar, but shorter, Broadbottom viaduct was also modified in the same way.
The reason the resistance light comes on , if the simulation is true to life, is that for sustained running, the notch-up lever and hence power, needs to be in one of the last 4 notches. These are the weak-field notches, to run in a full-field notch for too long will overheat the resistor banks. A weak field notch needs to be taken as soon as practicable, if this would result in a linespeed exceedance, then re-gen can be called on to hold the speed at the desired point, even whilst motoring. As you said, it's a complicated system , but very versatile, and immeasurably satisfying when you really know what you're doing . Some of the old leccy men could make the BO-BO's sit up and sing to them !
Good upload ,this line should never have closed ,and i remember walking through the woodhead tunnel in 82 ,very long and dark lol but the signals were all still lit !!
An essential tutorial if you're going to drive this loco. I tried to drive it again today (after a gap of a year or so) without watching the video first and soon got into trouble. Thanks once again, excellent content, as are all of your tutorials.
I used to drive trucks with an ex woodhead driver and when I asked him what the transfer switch was for he couldn't believe they had gone to the trouble of putting that particular feature in. He told me that it was only an afterthought and never did very much and most loco's had cobwebs on the switch. But one thing he did tell me was about the dynamic brake. His words were as follows "well they always said that the one going down the hill powered the one coming up the hill". I don't know but as far as I believe the dynamic brake put power back into the overhead lines but it had to be controlled by a guy at trackside power control stations of which there were a few. I'm no historian on this so if anybody can tell me more about this line then please do I love it. Happy driving all.
Having grown up in Manchester and traveled from Manchester Piccadilly to Glossop numerous times I loved the mid-50s industrial architecture of east Manchester... good stuff!
I travelled on this line in the late 1950's so was glad to see that you had covered this line. It was a great pity that this line was closed and ripped up considering it was an electrified route between too important cities.
Great stuff. Wonderful video!
+Spencer Sandy I must say I am slightly jealous of the opportunity you had to travel on this line! I honestly don't think this route should ever have been closed or ripped up and would love to have had the opportunity to travel along here myself.
Many thanks Spencer! :)
My uncle Chris worked in Sheffield during the late 50s and there is a fair chance he would have travelled on this line. In the late 40s these locomotives must have sounded like something from science fiction, compared with traditional steam.
My father worked at a B.R. facility on this line and we made a trip to Glossop from Ashburys shortly after it opened as an electrified passenger route in 1954. For a time the route came under the control of B.R.'s Eastern Region, even the section that was in the Manchester area.
Photos of the '50s gantries between London Road and Ardwick showed only two tracks had an overhead supply with simple gantrywork until around 1960, when the WCML electrification scheme introduced new warren-girder support-spans that covered all the tracks on the viaduct out of London Road up to Ardwick.
Enjoyed this one PTGRail a sight in to the old BR days good to see the steam locos in traffic Thanks
Stuart John Thanks! I agree with you, it's great to see the old BR days caught in game. I think this route has a really good feel and atmosphere to it. One of the best out there for the atmosphere :)
Maybe an idea for the return trip back using a BR Black 5
I think Sir Nigel Gresley did some work on designing these locos for the Woodhead line and also some work on the Woodhead line. It's a shame that they closed this line as it was quite an old electric line.
Meengineer100 Sir Nigel Gresley did indeed have a hand in designing the locomotives for this line. He commissioned a Beyer-Garatt steam locomotive to haul heavy coal trains. This was because of the reduced permitted axle loadings on this route. Interestingly it is reported that this loco would only steam properly when operated in one direction, if it was turned it could not raise enough steam reliably. I have no information about the reason why this was so.
Fast forward to 2021. They never fixed that "broken rail" between Hadfield and Crowden and there are still half people wandering around, as at 39:13. I don't see the EM2 DLC for sale on Steam. Has it been deleted?
Whenever I travel across from Yorkshire to Manchester (usually going to the airport) I have often wondered what the giant cantilevers above the tracks on approach to Piccadilly were for. Cool to know
Great route and great video, as always! Very useful for experiencing a more real simulation. Keep on going with this wonderful videos!
Thank you! :) There's plenty more videos coming soon :)
Great Speed run really enjoyed that looking forward to some more thanks! David.
Really enjoyed this video, the first of yours I saw. I am a huge fan of the Woodhead Route & found this video brilliant & informing. Cheers !
P.S. Would love another, including, maybe a frieght run from Wath up the 1:40 !!
+Rob_209's U_Tube thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed this video. I do plan on making a return journey on a video along here in the near future :)
If the woodhead line was still here, my god. I can already imagine being on a 142 going full speed through the 3 mile woodhead tunnel. The strength of the draft would be like a jet stream.
If the Woodhead line was still in existence, they wouldn't be still using the 142's!! ....it would be something like the class 88 (electric version of the class 68). Those class 142's date from the early 50's!
@@robtyman4281 1950s? Nahh! They date from about the same time as the Sprinters. They are the economy version.
@@johnm2012 ....don't know why I said 'class 142's'??? ...I meant class 76 locos - which date from the early 50's. Class 88's are the nearest modern day equivalent to them.
Awesome video, on a great route. I need to do this one even though Electric trains are not my favorites by any stretch of imagination. This looks pretty darn cool, and from a bygone era, just like me. ;) Thank you PTGRail.
A excellent video which captures the atmosphere and era very well, i suppose once trained the loco's were easy to drive as they weren't' as straight forward as they could have been . if this was a true reflection of the route how sad that todays railway we're basically left with just an UP and a Down line and nothing either side.
Fantastic video, expert presentation - love the format as I have picked up so many useful tips. Thnx
Thank you, much appreciated! I'm glad that you enjoyed this video and learned something from it :)
I like seeing and playing this route after walking it many times in real life. The station at Broadbottom still looks like that today and even the buildings on the road above the station are modelled in the proper places. I just wish you could go past Dinting station to Glossop on this route, as that would complete it for me.
+Peter Gregory This route is one of my favourites in Train Simulator. I wish that I'd had the chance to travel it in real life in the past. :)
Not bad mate not bad at all thank you for spending your time doing that. And a nice factual delivery as well.
Greetings and a "I really love your Videos" from Germany. Your Videos are one of the Reasons why i became a Fan of the UK Routes. Thanks a lot.
Thank you! I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying these videos and now enjoying UK routes. I have made one video on a German route now too, I don't know if you have seen it yet? Thanks again :)
Sure i have seen your Video from the Hamburg to Hannover Route. This is my Favoriteroute of Germany, but ... (only a very small but) ... i don't like the ICE Train (at all). I am a Fan of the older German Locos like the 103 or 120. I have build some (i think) nice Scenarios for this Route with the 103 and 120 Loco's. But anyway ... your Way or Style to explain the Routes and the Handling of the Loco's are really that whats make your Videos so Special to me. I really think about a Way to make some Videos with german Language but close to your Style.
+PTGRail Fantastic video Sir totally enjoyed it from start to Finnish. Just wondering if you could ever make the Manchester Victoria to Wakefield Westgate route, sadly the direct service no longer exists and you have to change at Huddersfield now to go to Wakefield but it was a fantastic route.
Will be using this when I get my computer repaired. Thanks!
No problem! I hope it helps and I hope you enjoy it. Thanks :)
What a fantastic video. I am not a train nerd, so the technical stuff didn't interest me at all, but I really appreciated the period detail and being able to compare then with now.
I’m glad you enjoyed this video! I think this particular route really captures the time period well.
Excellent video, wonderful presentation. Thank you!
Brilliant video, going to try that scenario myself now. Thanks.
Excellent video which brought back childhood memories of travelling on this line. Only one small criticism, the train brakes are vacuum brakes. You refer to readings on the vacuum gauge ( correct ) but then say that you are applying the air brakes ( not correct ). Keep up the good work !
What a strange loco to drive. The modern dynamic braking may not be any more effective, but certainly easier to use than this regenerative braking. Loved the jump - thought you were going to derail :-)
I agree, it's quite an odd loco to drive. But I like the uniqueness in the handling of the loco.
The jerk at Valehouse has actually thrown my engine off! I slow down to 30 there. It's still quite scary.
I'm suspecting the reason the EM2 speedo is in KM is that they were exported to the Netherlands after BR service. Presumably someone used a Dutch loco for their reference when making the Speedo
I hadn't realised that. I'll bear that in mind. Would love to make a video on that train but it won't be easy due to the incorrect speedo.
@@PTGRail The Tyne and wye metro is 1.5dc OLE but new trains will have 25kv and OLE options so if the line between Sunderland and plelaw. I between the line it is on the north Durham coast Lin please do not quite me on that.
Great video very informative enjoyed it very much.
If the line was still here in 2018-2020 the class 93 & class 88 electro diesels should be able to climb it. Pulling passenger and goods train with the former having special Railway wagons to put Lorries in where it will be exchanged in Dolands Moor for a Class 92 over the Channel tunnel. then a French BB 36300 if your lorry train has to end in Italy via Frejus Tunnel. Spanish class 252 lorry train Calais-Perpignan-Barcelona. Both occur in Calais by shunting the channel tunnel locomotive for a conventional European Mainland electric locomotive.
great video. you inspired me to do my own cabride type videos however i do livestreams instead of pre recorded videos
The loco looks like the older Blackpool trams with the pantograph
I agree :p
Once again another fantastic route learning video. They're so entertaining to watch. By the way may I ask which are you using for these great videos? A regular mouse and keyboard or a raildriver cab controller?
Thanks for the comment! :) .. I just use the keyboard to control the train. I got used to using the keyboard over years of playing train simulators. :)
PTGRail Thanks for the reply. Wow you make it look so easy! Nice railing, hope to see more US routes in the future =)
FinestInstinct No problem. I try to reply to all comments though sometimes I miss some :) Thanks, there will be more US videos in the future! I'm hoping to cover at least one US video a month if I can. The next will be the Pacific Surfliner route in 2 or 3 weeks time I hope :)
PTGRail I look forward to that! Thanks again.
Is this good? I'm thinking about getting this and the 2 other locos extra
I think this is a great route. They captured the atmosphere of 1950s northern England really well.
I think this is set in the 1960s.
Florida Railfanning 812 I think it is as I live near guide bridge and I have only known it as having a 2 lane track on 1 platform.
Seems 2 platforms on the video.
Manchester London Road had its name changed to Manchester Piccadilly on 12 September 1960 so it's set before that date.
Why is there never any routes involving the current Sheffield Midland Station
There is now. Just Trains have released two Midland Mainline packs on Steam: Leicester to Nottingham/Derby and Derby to Sheffield.
The later blue livery woodhead scenario is MUCH better than this. Although it is sad to see the state of Sheffield Victoria in it, the driving of the 76 is far more accurate. I appreciate that the blue livery scenario wasn't around when this video was made though... just saying :)
I prefer this version except for the fact that it doesn't include Glossop. With Quick Drive you can mix and match between the two.
The bridge is known as dinging viaduct
Dinting viaduct. It was strengthened by the addition of brick piers, which spoil it's symmetry when viewed from below. The structurally similar, but shorter, Broadbottom viaduct was also modified in the same way.
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it's Sheffield station bot Victoria
It's Sheffield Victoria station, now closed. The other station, now just called Sheffield, used to be called Sheffield Midland.
get on with it