Tesla Automatic Emergency Braking - Real World Test
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In todays video we setup a mock IIHS Safety Test to determine on our own how well Tesla's Vision Only Traffic Avoidance technology stacks up to a real world testing.
Music: Over You by Atch
If you put a labor union contract in the road, the Tesla will slam the brakes and deploy the air bags.
It's Tay!
Of course it will. Because it wants to protect every employee from a lack of productivity that comes with unions. In the end Tesla employees are way better of without one because productivity will lead to a higher stock price and you can benefit from that through stock based compensation. Unless you get fired for stupid behavior that is.
Bro you can’t be leaving comments on videos like you’re some kind of normal UA-camr or something
Funniest thing I've read today.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 ...and other jokes you can tell yourself
I applaud your bravery in these tests. You really waited for the last second each time to give the system a chance to stop. Thank you for the video!
Thanks for this! Haters are gonna hate and fanboys are gonna be fanboys. Don't be discouraged. You're bringing light about the FSD situation and informing thousands about how not-ready this technology is.
I appreciate your kind words
Bringing light to FSD 😅. The car being tested is not even in FSD. I'm glad Tesla fired your lazy ass from their team. Go work for GM and Ford.
@@AIAddict And in pro of your own physical integrity, an (unsolicited) tip: When performing this kind of tests, hold the steering wheel without placing your thumbs around it. This is common practice in off-road driving, so that if a rock or rut causes the wheels to turn suddenly and violently, and thus also the steering wheel, you don't risk potential thumb injury. I think that scenario definitely applies here. 😅
I'd say it's worth preventing that risk so you can keep posting these very useful tests while reducing the risk to your person (insomuch as possible) 😅
This isn’t FSD software. This is BASIC AUTOPILOT.
They also abandoned sensors for cameras so I'm not surprised at the results
You're doing exactly what I would expect an excellent and dedicated engineer to do. You have always stayed focused on the task at hand and truthfully reported everything you have observed, and even after you were let go you have continued doing this work on your own. Much respect.
I applaud your bravery, have always joked about doing these types of tests. Glad someone was brave enough to try it.
This was actually no clickbait. I'm impressed!
it's so important, you do this, even if Tesla will hate you for this or start any arguing why it's not realistic or whatever. But they have to face the truth that there is something not working propperly, not good enough.
But, please:
Make something that wakes up Tesla, really: Do this test again, but this time don't use daily items but:
Take balloons (to make the object so light that you will be able to actually run over it without damaging your car) and create with the balloons a puppet in the REAL size of a 2 years old child, so with arms and legs and a head out of balloons and put child cloths on and some wool for hairs and place it as if it would crawl on the ground, maybe like a 2 years old after it has fallen down. (Maybe you should pull on a thin cord that the balloon toddler moves A BIT.
And film this moment closely when and how the balloon toddler gets overrun to shock everybody, so that Tesla will speed up by getting better and also maybe focussing on this insead of creating new unimportant things like funny sounds or what ever.
It's just disappointing that not at least the expensive cars can already perform perfect automatic emergency breaks! (no matter which system they use)
Incorporating this into part 2. Great ideas all around here!
Dang you have really thought about this. Great idea. 👍
I think that behind the hype you don’t really know what Tesla is… Don’t expect that thief will suddenly try obeying the law and care about safety. Tesla is a Fraud.
You could potentially do a carboard cutout of a child or an adult or a barbecue 🙂. The car will not be damaged by a cardboard cutout.
@@AIAddict this will definitely result in media attention and hopefully will force Tesla to put more effort into fixing this. Doing great work!
As much as I’m a believer in the tech, I call BS with Elon removing
Radar from the 3 and the y. Radar cars perform better. Period
Tech does not require belief. My toaster works whether I believe in it or not. The way some people talk about this stuff sounds like a doomsday cult. Like you're all preparing for self-driving rapture.
So, what did they get the award for, if it never tried to stop? Im not a Tesla fan, I consider myself rather critical of them, but that's really strange that it didn't do anything. Have you tried a different roadway? Just out of curiosity. But i guess sometimes it detected the objects and did nothing, so wow thats pretty useless.
The specifics of the award were for its detection and avoidance of “vehicles and pedestrians”. However, as shown, it did not react to a vehicle pulling out.
How bad must the others be? It would be great to have the next up competitor run these tests too
It’s miles better than what’s in all other cars, that’s why. Makes you worry about being another car, doesn’t it?
@@nicholasthon973 Doesn't make me worry, because I'd have to be either blind, paralyzed, or unconscious before I would rely on any self-driving software operating a vehicle that wasn't on a track or cable. And I agree, this award is premature by several years, at least judging by these results.
Sad to see, that there is no emergency braking applied at all. Happy to see, that it is not violating the double line by avoiding the obstacles.
@@logicthought24 no humans harmed or involved in this test..
Wow, these are better tests than 99% of tesla youtube. Grats!
wow man, your testing of the capabilities of a tesla is great, best I've seen on yt so far!
Consequences of Musk’s genius idea to remove radar. -anything to cut costs.
Tesla vehicles used to have radar along with their vision. The radar would detect and brake for any object in the road. But Tesla felt they were hitting a glass ceiling depending on radar and decided to drop the radar completely and go all in on their Tesla Vision. However, by doing that, they had to go many steps back and work on getting through those edge cases that the radar would have no problems detecting. This is where Tesla is right now.
I wonder if this Tesla still has radar?
It is also not obvious to me if the FSD stopped using radar for vehicles equipped with radar.
My Tesla vehicle does have radar equipped but seems to only use the radar hardware for cruise control and summon.
@@AIAddict Tesla’s that still have the radar hardware have them deactivated now. They don’t work.
WHY can these systems get on the road without passing a driving test!
I'd rather have a child drive.
Technically, the human operator is driving the car. Otherwise, the “FSD” would have to be turned off immediately.
The fanboys that think this system is anywhere close to being autonomous are insane …
DUDE, just please be careful!
Performing those stunts on public roads, what could actually go wrong?
This is the reason Tesla fired his ass in the first place 😂.
Been waiting for this one
Hope you like it!!
Wow. Scary! I hope the authorities around the world are paying attention.
Some parts of this video scared the hijibies out of me. 😨 You were so close to hitting them. 🤯 That's insane. Thanks for uploading. Upload more. 👍
You've got nerves of steel! 😅 thank you for all the tests!
There is so much wrong here. Iihs says it's a pedestrian and vehicle avoidance system, not a static/moving object system. You were testing auto steer, not the "FSD system". If you read what AEB and Auto steer do, they definitely don't tell you "the car should steer and brake without [your] input".
If a pedestrian wears a shirt with a picture of a red traffic light on it, will the Tesla think it's a real light and stop?
do you think that the proximity of the tree's shadows had any effect on the detection?
Have you considered suspending things in the proper size/shape which would not damage the car and see how it behaves - like a balsa wood cutout or stuffed animal as target?
Even if it this were the case it's still obviously unacceptable.
Exactly not taking up for the car but it doesn’t do well with shadows plus they are on a corner going around a curve and a white truck is sitting right there it’s focusing on two many things and going too fast
This is what I have seen with AI aplied to the "phisical" world, very promising, a lot of potential but so far it doesn't work.
Sums it up nicely, I'd say.
good video. they need to be aware of these issues. who better to call them out than someone who they fired. keep it up
You need to try dropping a cardboard box out of the back of the car you are following. This happen to me in real life but it was a carpenters saw horse which I couldn't avoid!
Will 100% incorporate this into the next video!
Full self driving in five years though 🤡
not even 50
Time to get some of those 39" tall real dolls (My Size, or something was their name) and see if Tesla is ready to start running over kids as well as roll through stop signs.
Just ordered some!!!
The fact it is detecting an object in the road and alerting you but doing nothing significant to avoid the situation on its own... what?!
I could understand if it doesn't detect something there is nothing to act on. This shows it knows and does not act appropriately.
It lacks radar and thus cannot be 100% sure it can safely stop or swerve I'm guessing
This is a very astute comment
No, it's just that the system he's testing was never designed to avoid/steer around objects and he's being intentionally misleading. Based on the two solid blue lines, that indicates he's in Autosteer -- the most basic form of Autopilot. All that does is keep you in lane and will brake for cars ahead of you. That's all Autosteer does. Auto emergency braking is part of the basic Autopilot package which includes Autosteer, but AEB will only brake for pedestrians, cyclists, cars, etc. You know, things that are actually common on the road. It is NOT trained to stop for office chairs in the road, grills, or any other random object that Aiaddict has lying around. And considering he worked at Tesla on the Autopilot team, I'd expect he knows this.
Would you really want a system that would auto emergency brake for any object? Any false positive would have your car constantly braking which is why it's only trained to identify actual things that matter like people, cars and other road users. The only system that Tesla is testing that has any form of object avoidance is FSD beta, and even that is limited in what it will avoid (open car doors, some animals, etc.) and even that's only at low speeds. Aiaddict also previously tested this, so he should be aware of that too.
To make a video like this to intentionally mislead people to think that Autopilot is something incapable system that isn't safe is ridiculous.
@@Brendon471 regardless of the incorrect “auto steer” claims made.
What are your thoughts on the emergency braking system?
It should be able to detect at least a trash can and a vehicle but failed to brake.
Thank you for the video. This will make musk very upset.
This was an incredible video, glad someone is doing this!!
one problem I see is you are using AUTO PILOT on a two lane highway, auto pilot is made for the freeway and does not respond properly ib 2 lane traffic like FSD beta does. I'm sure it would work on a freeway, and I'm sure FSD beta would do fine. maybe not for the bucket but some of the other objects and defiantly the truck. I'm a beta tester and my model 3 2022 will stop if a truck or pedestrian pulls or steps in front of the car. also you need to have a destination set on the screen, seems to me when I use mine if I have plugged in a destination everything works better. probably should not mater but that's how mine seems to work.
From a real world perspective, these requirements are too complex for the average person to rely on safely. The type of road shouldn’t dictate whether or not the car steers around deadly obstacles.
Your commentary is hilarious when it’s about to hit an object
People use it every day on the highway ..and there is no problem may be some time phantom braking ...thanks for the effort..i think you use it too.
I agree. I just subscribed to FSD and went on a 200 mile road trip and the car performed flawlessly. I was super impressed.
can you include a camera showing the pedals? Ideally a continuous clip that shows pedals and the object. just to be sure you're not pressing any pedals. Because you can press the accelerator to override emergency breaking.
I can definitely incorporate that into the part 2 video
It isn't FSD. It's Enhanced Autopilot. We have this in Europe.
Try this with fsd beta!
Tesla doesn't want anybody that isn't mostly promoting them to use the beta software. They openly restrict usage for anybody that tries to be fair with the testing
Its still worrying that people actually think Level 2 should stop for static objects. That's the driver's job. The reason that AEB and AES exist is that sudden moving obstacles that might be dangerous (so small animals will be driven over because its considered to be safer) or endangered by the car can be avoided.
The pickup truck could be because of the missing Radar. Cameras are just very bad at detecting such dangerous situations, LIDAR should further improve this detection rate dramatically in the next few years. But its still Level 2 for now.
The only constant is that type of roadway. Judging by how narrow the roadway is and how dense the objects (aren’t) it’s calculating that it’s safer to go through it at that speed than off the roadway. Try an open parking lot
What model year is your car? I wonder if it has the front facing radar.
2021 Model 3 Long Range with Radar
I got a Mazda CX30 GT Sport Tech this year, and I can can tell you it's emergency braking is so much better, I don't think I would be able to crash the car even if I tried. With one exception, the other night I had to defrost the windscreen, and I should have got the frost of the cameras, result was dash was flashing at me all safety systems off line. Next time we have a heavy frost I will know to make sure it's fully defrosted before I drive off.
the way this guy steers aggressively back to the right lane seems so dumb lol
There is similar test with other cars also ua-cam.com/video/bRhoUqD6Opc/v-deo.html
These are cars were tested:
Tesla Model S with Ap1 and ap2
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model X
Volkswagen Golf GTE
Audi E-tron 55 Quattro
Jaguar iPace
You can notice, that ADAS systems have limitations in most of the cars.
Audi works only to 25m/h.
M3 at 25m/h overshoots slightly.
MS works nicely.
Very old MS sees something, but fails.
Jaguar iPace and VW Golf GTE didn't work at all.
So, newer Teslas are better than the competition, but it is still work in progress for all the brands. And the test was made for slow situations of 25m/h.
The test was not made on current models.
I have a model 3 rwd 2023 and im so afraid to use the basic auto pilot that i hardly ever use it.. simply put i don't trust it nor the emergency breaking… i always have my hand on the steering and one foot on the pedal. My $40k tesla is basically an expensive electric gokart.
Swerving the car to the left in that curve with no shoulder to the left of the road increases the risk for the car to roll over that cliff.
It was a nice bucket
Brave man. Thanks for testing that out for us
No problem 👍
One thing that is never going to happen is swerving around the object with a double yellow painted lane marking. Especially with what I call dumb autopilot and FSD. The only object i would have expected it to brake for was the truck but the original non-beta FSD was not meant for streets anyway and will be improved when the beta is complete.
Correct. Insurance companies will never fault you for staying in your lane. Your chances of further injuries and damage go up like 3x as soon as you leave your lane, either left or right.
Can you do it again with the FSD Beta? I wanna see if there are any differences
I’ll try and track down someone who is willing to let me do this with their beta build lol
You guys are crazy.
Thank you for this!!!;)
My big concern would be that someone stands in front of your car, your car stops, and that person robs you. I kinda like a car that will run over people when necessary.
Your ESC system the whole time: 👁👄👁
Thanks for making this!
I’m quite curious if the emergency braking is still limited in between 7 and 29mph. If this is the case, could you retry this test on a straight road going under 28mph. I feel auto pilot needs the upper hand with a straight road for static objects.
I know this test reflects real world situations and you’d definitely want your car to emergency brake at high speeds and in all cases.
You need a real crash dummy like what IIHS uses so the radar and cameras can properly detect it
Don't do this shit on public roads.
‘Weapons of Math Destruction’ by Cathy O’Neil
I was really hoping you'd actually hit the objects lol
Yeah the orange bucket on run #1 was the only object we willfully hit
If you run tests like this again, careful of over steering. Say you have the collision point (CP) and the near miss pathing around that CP; anything after that CP could be apart of that new pathing. You have some reasonable reactions but there is Absolutely No reason to have anyone after the CP.
Cases:
1. pathing around the object is not possible, and front of the car strikes object while projecting that object towards bystander.
2. over correction or tyre fails and telsa now isnt going to adhere to intended near miss pathing (tesla may skid or continue into bystander)
3. failure to handle the steering wheel (missing the critical turn back towards the road and thus ditching the car off the road - towards a bystanders)
One simple solution is setting up cameras on tripods (thus removing human life in the area) while fully controlling the road for these tests.
(With respects to a partially opened road: I was a part of controlling traffic on a mountain road (2 lane) while wearing cycling gear and having no traffic cones or flares while we waited for EMS. 1 crashed cyclist who couldnt be moved, 1 person who was stabilising the cyclist and eventually 4 people conducting traffic through the area, 2 above the crash, 1 at the crash and 1 below the crash - due to sight lines and poor reaction of drivers. Drivers who are used to be bombing about 120% of the speed limit down their favourite mountain/backroads are not looking for unusual circumstances. They are going to keep driving and not really register someone trying to flag their attention, especially americans in silicon valley. Best solution is to expect cars to ignore any directions. They will drive through this area of the road, collide and then ask why the road wasnt closed fully for testing)(I hope you had additional spotter cars to clear a larger time gap than what was shown here)
My car always stops for beer kegs!
So does my stomach 😋
So does mine, and it’s Level-0 autonomous and still somehow knows a good thing when it “sees” it …
I performed this exact same test at four different Tesla dealers on the real roads with real stopped cars in front in 2019. I tested about 30 times and both forward collision warning and emergency braking did NOT work, and I had to steer to the adjacent lane every single time. I went on to Tesla forum and all the Tesla fans and owners did NOT want to hear the truth. Their cars "self-drive". I performed the same test on cars from Nissan and Toyota. The other brands worked as expected the very first time. So I ended up buying a Nissan. I guess after 4 years, Tesla still cannot get this basic thing correct.
Test with FSD Beta. Thanks.
This has always been the most concerning failure of Tesla's software. It just tries to plow right through so many things that it doesn't expect to be there. FSD Beta regularly tried to drive me through a train. I can understand struggling to recognize some small obstructions, as it must be near-impossible to train it to distinguish every object, but it's particularly concerning that it fails to see large obstructions, and that it fails to react to the ones it does see. The latter seems improved on FSD Beta but these are my greatest concerns for FSD ever reaching full functionality.
Im glad Tesla is still at its infancy with their FSD. Things like this once again reaffirms my belief that FSD has a LONG LONG way to go when it comes full self driving LOL
FSD emergency breaking is being disabled as soon as you hear the beeps to shift all of the liability to the car owner for crashing and absolving tesla in totality
Ahh I see so instead of confronting the real world tesla's ai thought of deleting the object from its virtual world. I guess everyone process stress and truma differently. Bet a different tesla with a different personality will not fall for this.
Excellent video!
Elon is trying to find a way to delete this video
Elon has entered the chat. 💀
this video won't be posted on Twitter that's for sure
Thanks for the video. The best thing Tesla could have done for the owners community was fire you. Thankfully you are free of the non-compete contract and can publish all of your findings freely without fear of reprisal! Hope you make millions off these videos sharing your actual experience.
You’re not wrong. I finally feel the ability to speak freely. I was definitely having my tongue tied by management.
now see if it stops for things like leaves, or anamorphic chalk drawings
This is why LIDAR matters. For once Tesla will stay in the dust if they don't adopt LIDAR as other OEM's are doing.
Nah bro. It's working as intended. 🤣
Elon is driving the car remotely. That why.
😂😂😂
Dude is on BASIC AUTOPILOT and using the Tesla that has abandoned sensors for cameras (aka TeslaVision). You can't test a feature without using the correct tools. In addition, I've had automatic emergency brake brake for me because of a dude trying to brake check me. I've also heard from other Tesla owners who've had their Tesla brake for them, saving their life. To the guy who said " Haters are gonna hate and fanboys are gonna be fanboys. Don't be discouraged." sounds like a gasoline car fanboy himself driving around in a car with zero safety capabilities. At least Tesla is trying and releasing updates, making the car safer every month.
OK so not FSD beta. Ballsy to run over the bucket :) I'm guessing they don't avoid items because it would otherwise have spurious detections and violently swerve when nothing was there. Or give rise to phantom braking. If you can you can test the same with beta. It might be more elaborate
I agree, I do want to re-run this test again using the Beta stack. I also want to put big objects that won’t damage the vehicle so I can get closer to the objects to see if it can brake, just late.
@@AIAddict can you say what your role was at tesla? was it peripheral to the autopilot stuff like coding on the simulator or some of the core ML stuff?
I LOVE THIS!
We need to sue the states that allow these systems on the road.
My assumption is that the only acceptable tolerances on their vision-only FSD suite to avoid excessive phantom braking (due to false positives like road markings and shadows) that smaller static objects are simply ignored. Hopefully the beta version can do better because that's obviously not acceptable for anything beyond L2.
I like Aeb because it saved my mom because the motorcycle slow down and her Mercedes s class slowly brake and alert her
I owned a 2021 model Y and passed out at the wheel due to a health condition that I was not aware of until after my accident. I was driving approximately 25 miles an hour and the car kept going straight Hello Petsmart shoppers the time is now 855 and the store will be closing in five minutes. into a light pole and did not stop. Unfortunately I was OK with the car was totaled.
If you don't avoid stuff, there's no stuff.
I know you helped develop this software but are the safety features only active at low speeds? That’s how some other cars work so that’s why I wonder
Do you think it didn't steer around it because it didn't want to go into an oncoming lane? Would be different (and way safer) to do this in an empty parking lot.
I think deleting the radar unit was a mistake for Tesla
how convinient - you did not show us the settings if you have it set on or off.
:( that poor yellow bucket
My bucket never did anything wrong :(
I know for fact it can't avoid your wallet that's for sure 😂
are these features fixed/improved as of august 2024?
A big message to everyone in the comments, tesla specifically says this feature is still in beta and be prepared to take over at any time, expecting the car to never make a mistake is downright stupid and pointless, it shows how high your standards are and how stupid your expectations are. And just using basic autopilot and titling it “full self driving” is downright stupid and misleading for people who wanna learn about the software, recently tesla has removed 300,000+ lines of code now relying more on its neural networks, not to mention the car isn’t restricted by codes for decisions it should make, it makes decisions based on its environment. People also forget, what the car displays on the screen isn’t what the car actually sees, the car can see way more then what’s actually displayed on the screen even on the full self driving beta visualization. Not gonna lie a lot of you need to grow up and accept how good the software is now and how well it’s improving or just scram and don’t get a tesla, because rampaging about it is pointless. But remember, you can detect an object but knowing how to respond to it can be different. But again this doesn’t apply to tesla autopilot and full self driving anymore since it relies on its environment more then ever.
Cool testing video. Thanks!
Hi Peter, glad you enjoyed it!
If it cant recognize static objects then moving objects are doomed.
Can't turn on audio so this might have been covered. Is there a possibility that you have to get a littler closer in order for the auto brake to kick in?
Any closer and it would have been an automatic collision IMO
Thx! That was entertaining :)
Have you tested camera + radar? What percentage of Teslas lack radar? Is the AI system trained to detect various everyday objects?
Radar works a lot more effectively and can be activated when using Cruise Control. I am not sure what percentage are equipped with radar or not.
all the newer cars don't come with Radar. i guess it s cost cutting measure
Time for MicroVision!
Driver must have stepped in the brake intervening and pushing the aeb released...
AEB crashed into the orange bucket in very first clip with no steering, accelerator or brake input given.
Therefore, it voids your argument
interesting, what year is the model 3 you were testing? I wonder if the camera only symptom is why thats happening or if thats the one with the camera and radar combo to operate the self drive/autopilot
2021 Model 3 Long Range with Radar equipped.
Regardless of having radar equipped or not, Tesla has turned it off completely in the software. However, they do still rely on radar for TACC and Summon
@@AIAddict interesting, did not know that. thanks for the update. thats really bad they need to fix that i feel like other makers would stop for those obstacles like The Subaru's EyeSight system ect.
This is a fascinating, unique and important investigation - thank you and really well done.
My thoughts of buying a Tesla died when they removed radar.. Considered getting a used one with the radar, but figured they would prob cripple it over time as the software updates follow the vision-only based roadmap.
Seems like a strategic mistake , as I don't see how the ultimate FSD milestones can ever be achieved using only cameras.
I agree. Radar is not even as expensive as lidar. The car is a luxury vehicle. I don't know how saving a few hundred bucks is supposed to be worth people's safety. 🤦♂
@@emman100 lol model 3 is not luxury from any perspective
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei You are very out of touch like Elon Musk. The price of any Tesla right now makes them luxury vehicles. Hybrid cars have crazy good fuel economy but they don't cost twice the price of an average car.
This video is completely misleading. What would radar have done here? Nothing. Radar is terrible at seeing stationary objects like all of the examples he used in this video. It's the reason why Tesla's on Autopilot have previously smashed into stopped cars or other solid objects... radar failed to identify them so the car continued onwards. Vision doesn't do that, but the system he's testing on in the video (as shown by the Autopilot lines only being blue on either side of the car, which means it's in basic Autosteer mode not Navigate on Autopilot or FSD beta) is NOT and has never claimed to steer around or stop for random objects. Auto emergency braking will kick in to try and avoid impacts with other cars, pedestrians, and cyclists. What it doesn't do is identify and avoid every random object in the world.
FSD beta is the ONLY system that they're currently testing that will dodge and avoid SOME objects, and only at low speeds. Since Aiaddict used to work for Tesla, I'd expect he knows all of this but made this video anyway to get clicks from people who don't follow this and know what's actually going on.
@@Brendon471 fair enough - thanks for the insight . I don't have any experience or insight to add re: the tesla system. My 2008 mercedes' GL wagon does have radar based cruise control and uses the radar for object warning / emergency braking at speed (it switches to ultrasonic sensors for low speed warnings). It would definitely detect some of those objects but certainly not all. Prob not a person ot small soft object . But a truck or a beer keg in the middle of the road , definitely yes. it's crude but very reliable... And it would work in pitch black or fog and most all precipitation situations other than a blizzard or an utterly torrential downpour . It has warned that it's gone inactive a handful of times in those extreme such conditions.
Does the non-beta FSD stack compute depth predictions for pixels or areas on the screen that are not identified as lane markings or objects?
Not sure how they differ but camera self driving works using pixel density in most cases