This Launch Is A Disaster.
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2022
- This absolutely sucks.
Mortal Online 2 is the long awaited sequel to Star Vault’s long running first person sandbox MMORPG. Explore a massive open sandbox world and choose your own path, but be aware, danger lurks around every corner in this full PvP full loot world.
Released January 25th 2022
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#mmorpg #mortalonline2 #2022 - Ігри
1:45 I disagree to a certain extent. If you claim to have the knowledge, skills and coffers to build a cathedral, but only have enough to make a doghouse, then you don't have the right to advertise a/charge for the cathedral.
I don't like this willingness to let anyone make grandiose claims only to immediately fall back on "We're just indie...".
Cathedrals aren’t mmorpgs, moving on.
@@garpten7772 I'm amazed by how you understood literally nothing of this comment and yet you felt confident enough to post what's possibly the dumbest rebuttal ever conceived by mankind. Congratulations.
@@garpten7772 The word thing he was doing I can't quite remember I think it's kinda like euthanize? Y'know like you should be. Oh yeah euphemism, that's the one.
You act as if they were expecting the launch to run perfectly smooth, this much stress on the server simply could not be simulated, by the previous stress tests or otherwise. I agree that the launch was an L, but you kind of have to set back your expectations when the dev team is the size of a classroom, providing a game that's a niche genre. Especially if your comparing its launch to something like FF14 or ESO with massive budgets/teams, and a game design aimed towards mass appeal. Its not exactly like they have the money to hire play testers in mass.
@@CrematedZebra dude, they can BARELY handle like 2k players....thats not a "they weren't ready" or "they couldn't simulate this" its a case of they learned NOTHING from their past failures, if they can't handle 2k players they are beyond doomed
I understand that a single server is unprecendent in most MMOs to date and what Starvault is trying to do is new and challenging. I have played 2K hours since the first open stress test and what pisses me off is that Starvault took a large portion of development time to appease big bully guilds and streamers instead of working into a basic queue system. I work with software development and knowing how your server can handle is the a basic requirement.
"big bully guilds" lol. yikkesssss
How many of that 2k hours was sitting on rooftops casting mental projectile on horses?
seems more as an indi team they didn't have the knowledge of what was possible, a crux of being over ambitious. Though is kinda shady, bending over to large groups or influencers can keep a stream of new players to replace the ones lost. In a way its like getting a blood transfusion while at the same time trying to fix the wounds. The fact they didnt have auto kicks for afk or timeouts for loggings means more the inexperience with servers netcode. I wouldn't call it a scam more inexperience. This is usually the case with people who go from making RPG's to trying to convert it for MMO and think its just about adding extra functionality and not taking in account for the hardware and redundancy systems.
Reminder the "launch" was a stress test announcement. depending on team size this can be a 2 week long data collection exercise for server load, net error codes, ect.
@@DeathxStrike18
it might not be so much inexperience, but moreso an oversight.
The game has *always* been very niche so there has never been any need for things like an AFK timer for example.
That and their hardware being able to support a ton of people followed by code bottlenecks screwing it over leading to the horrible queue disaster.
Still, great game and glad that they're making headway in solving it, but damn those server problems were awful I literally just stopped trying until they rolled out the temporary alt servers
Damn. These guys have been emailing me for MONTHS trying to get me to cover the game, but I just didn't see it. Curious to hear your thoughts
If you're into games like Tarkov, but with magic, swords, bows and jank...You'll likely have a good time. But if you don't have hours to commit and can't handle a buggy mess with the full loot pvp then you'll likely hate it. Combat looks vastly worse than it feels in the pvp to play, but the launch is an absolutely unmitigated disaster. So for sure wait even if you want to try it out dude
@@KiraTV1 "buggy mess" please tell me what in mo2 is "buggy mess" besides the launch problems right now? You used to be more neutral wtf
@@four_touchdowns the desinks of up to 5 mins? everything grids to a halt, anyone that moves vanishes and teleports around the place, then you see a mob, its invicible, you run away, your team start taking damage, the voice chat works fine so you can heart it happening. then you start taking damage just as you get oujt of the dungeon, and you realise you died 5 mins ago. goosds premise for a horro movie, but not atall the intended gameplay
@D. Bundy "you used to say things I agree with and now you've said something I don't so you're not neutral anymore. "
The game literally had mobs spawned into the game which didn't move and they needed to do a 24 hour roll back, there have been constant desync issues and some people are crashing a ton. The game will have bugs, they always do and I've played MO long enough to know that they will introduce more as they go, that's life. Grow up dude, the game isn't your dad and I didn't slap him in the face.
@@four_touchdowns Are you fucking stupid? I'm not a player and even I'm aware of how fucked the game is now. Nothing spawning isn't considered a buggy mess?
Honestly I'm playing the game have been since early in the combat alpha and I agree with your points here. The truth is alot of players see the potential and want to give the game and devs a chance, because when it works it's fun as hell. That being said we have had hints for awhile things wouldnt go as well as hoped and all we can do at this point is hope that they have effective ways to fix the situation as soon as possible. It's gone from normal launch issues to unacceptable over time.
let the copium begin
Love the game. But totally agree. The other concern is they spent a work working a queue system which just shows where you’re at in line. A week for that, and it doesn’t even elevate the main issue of getting into the game. There’s not even an AFK in game detection. Only on the character select screen, and it’s 5 minutes. So if you waited 7 hours to play you better be ready to login within 5 minutes. It’s totally insane
It's all garbage I hate to break it to you. You know that.
Damn, gee gosh golly, after Mortal Online 1 noone could have seen that one coming :^)
Yeah weird how no one could have seen this coming. I didn't even play Mortal 1 but a few of the tests and saw huge issues. On top of the fact that these people apparently expect every game launch in history to go flawlessly without any login server issues. Like most of the people have never even played an online videogame before.
What I still don't understand after years is all these MMO's go through months and months of QoA tests on servers/stress testing them in-house, but launch day brings even the mightiest of companies to their knees.
I guess not paying enough upfront costs for servers to handle load is one for bigger companies, easier to see what the deal is and then scale up. For smaller companies probably just a lack of experience/funds.
@@slimymcbrazy7691 I was always curious how things work server side. I knew that more servers won't solve the problem, but I don't know what kind of labor is required to alleviate the problems that lead to crazy queue times. I also wonder if there is any way to simulate a heavy workload on a game running on a server and if that would be useful info or if it really is reliant on unique IP's connecting to see these problems
@@ShadowReaver573 load testing of a server exists to find problems like this, but it’s expensive. You need to build bots that do all the activities of players (developer time), set up servers exactly as you would if you launched (so rental fees or capital expenses), then you need to run the test and look for bottlenecks. In my experience it could take weeks to even find one of these back-end server bottlenecks and most management doesn’t understand they need to spend the time… until spectacular failures like the one in this video happen.
@@ShadowReaver573 it's also a matter of misjudging the amount of people that will try to join, and the talks between the company and the server managers. In this case for example the original game had like 400 players, and this one is getting 110,000. Which may seem small but it's a huge magnitude when it comes to servers. Not to mention that there are always bugs that get missed until a player finds it; Nothing like 1,000s of players to break a game as seen in other MMOs.
@@KiraTV1 Lost Ark launch was a desaster from a AAA publisher. Not about the company size. Was unplayable for weeks! Andwe're talking Amazon
Sold 110k copies...only 7k players can be online at a time LOL I guess the MMO is more like Almost Massive Multiplayer Online 😅😂
Square Enix is very nearly up to *two* decades of running MMOs now, the 20 year anniversary of FFXI in Japan is coming up in May.
I ate pizza today it was tasty
Great review Ash. Thank you. I did get a refund from steam despite being over the 2 hours. I really wanted to support these guys. It's just not even close to worth what they are asking for to me at least. If they get it together I'll be happy to come back.
I sadly did not get a refund when i only got 4 hours in. The issues for me didn't start untli after 2 hours in and i decided to give it a day to fix, didn't get fixed and when i asked for the refund it got denied.
I hope you keep checking this game and hop back in if theyu fix it. I can tell you it is hell of a fun game if you manage to get in. However, I understand why you have refunded.
@@hellgast0 I dont buy alot through steam. They denied me twice at which point I decided I wouldnt support a platform that wouldnt refund my money for a product that did not work as advertised. After 2 un-succesful attempts to get a refund I decided to have them close my steam account. This means losing access to everything else you have bought through steam. I was willing to throw it away as it was just a bunch of old 2 bit games anyways. I simply told them I was done with their service if that is how they treat their customers. 2 days later they came back with an offer to refund. Based on how many negative reviews (including mine) that have disappeared from MO2 I am assuming a lot of people have started to get refunds. Not suggesting you beat up Steam over this but your money is your own and to pay for a product like this that is wholy unplayable.. I wont support that with my monies.
I wonder if they have a PTS.
Without knowing the company or CEO it’s easy to think a scam. If you know the team you will know this is their passion and if anyone is upset they are. Outside of the login issues etc the actual gameplay is amazing and it’s a beautiful world. This team is passionate and wants this game to succeed.
bro this guy is just a pro negative ranting person just keep skipping his videos :D
@@Pl4sm0 hahaha yeah it's his job to shit on games
@@Pl4sm0 did you even watch the video? He specifically says he doesnt think it is.
@@Jubafree is it yours to shit everywhere around you, without knowing what you're talking about? Lol dude watch the video
@@tempestive1 Video title : This Launch Is A Disaster. Scam.
The fact you could sit AFK and stay logged into the server indefinitely is such a huge thing to miss... World of Warcraft had that figured out 17 years ago. I just have a hard time giving these smaller MMOs a fair shake when they can't even replicate the basic functions that the "flagship" MMOs had over a decade ago. It just doesn't seem worth investing time into a janky experience in 2022.
Heh I remember that FF11 had the same thing. Granted you had to adjust the ingame settings but it could be done. And since players could put items in their inventory up for sale and set the price then going AFK with items for sale were really common.
And because if anyone bought an item from another player in one of the main cities an extra tax was added on, the area of Rolanberry Fields right next to the zone into Jeuno, dozens of players were AFK with items to sell with no extra tax. Mobs didn’t roam this part of the map so it was safe.
Ah, good times. It was like a little market and there were often decent deals to be found. Oddly enough I can’t remember if the same thing happened in Aht Urghan after that expansion had everyone move there as the player hub. Jeuno became an obsolete ghost town though.
it's a problem when devs themselves are suffering from nostalgia and want to create games like ultima online in 2022.
@@tron-8140 making good mmo systems isnt copying wow. close mindedness like this is what causes mmos like mortal online to fail.
successful games share common things. btw I have never played wow.
Path of Exile has this, you can stay AFK logged in forever. It’s only relevant if your servers are imbalanced with population and capacity issues crop up from this.
@@mikoto7693 Jeuno became the hub for a couple years again when Voidwatch and Abyssea released. Aht Urghan was the ghost town starting in 2011
The scam is hidden behind steam's refund policy and the clear difference in quality between the tutorial and the full game. You spend hours playing the tuttorial thinking hey this game is stable, then you move to the main server and bam reality slaps you in the face, there is no stability, it's just one big lag fest, steam denies refunds because they won't make exceptions to their refund policy completely ignoring the issue at hand. In my book, that makes it a scam. And a very clever one at that. They won't deploy extra servers, they won't give refunds, but they do keep selling the game just to inflate the problem further and increase the q time.
Except Steam is willing to make exceptions in their refund policy in Certain cases, as long as you don't abuse it
You called....
Hi there,
I do understand how you'd really want to refund Mortal Online 2.
We have closely reviewed your request. In this case, we are not able to make an exception to the refund policy. For future refund requests please note that products with too much playtime may not qualify for a refund.
To ensure future eligibility, please submit refund requests within 14 days and less than 2 hours of playtime.
Please review our Refund Policy and Common Refund Questions for more information.
You can reach Mortal Online 2 by using the information from the Official Support section here as they will have more detailed information on how to troubleshoot issues with their game.
If you have further questions, no worries, I'd be happy to assist.
Steam Support
Henrik has now issued a humiliating discord statement admitting that they got it wrong and they're now putting more servers on. Only his "vision" (a.k.a. stubborness) prevented him from doing that a week ago.
I think you are not uptodate
I did buy and gift this game to play with my brother, based on Kira's recommendation. We both played EVE and Rust, so the concept was appealing and familiar. So far we both have over 40 steam hours logged, with only 2 of those being actual gameplay from Haven. We tried moving to Nave on Feb 26th, and haven't been able to play since. At this point I am out $80 for a game we cannot play. We can't even delete our characters and make new ones to stay in Haven. Posting on Star Vault's Discord or Forums gets all the fanbois worked up and says it is our fault trying to play from NA.
At this point I cannot recommend the game to anyone, no matter how promising the concept is. I do not hold any hard feelings to Kira, and will continue to support him. The MMO community needs more honest creators like him. Hopefully Steam will refund the 2 copies I purchased.
You can delete your char. Need to delete a some archives only. Its very simple.
I know what that feels like. I went and got some kind of premium package for Archage back when it was first coming out. Played the game for about 2 hours and then I ended up forgetting about it for ages. By the time I wanted to play the game again everything had gone down the drain and the devs had practically ruined the game.
Now they are launching fresh restart after fresh restart, each with some kind of different lable. "Archage unchained" and stuff like that.
Because of that experience and another like it I've stopped preordering games, no matter how cool they sound or how good the trailer looks.
I actually don't mind the mentality I have now. I don't get hyped for games anymore, but I'm also not a complete downer who isn't happy with anything.
I just wait till the game comes out, and if its good I enjoy it and have a good time.
I don't want to push anything on you or your brother, but waiting till games come out is a tactic that could serve both of you very well.
who said this about NA ping? people who know what their talking about say that its not a NA ping issue, its a server issue, as people were playing from hawaii just fine during testing.(and arguably one of the best pvpers during that was from hawaii)
Good luck getting Steam to refund you. They're pretty strict to their "less than two hours of time in game and less than two weeks since purchase" rule. I've bought a game that I ended up literally unable to play (because the required launcher/always on DRM wasn't communicating right with my system), my time in game made it clear that was true, but because I had had the game more than two weeks before realizing this problem they shut down the request without question.
@@ghutonosses You can get banned for that, though
I'll keep playing for sure when they get this stuff sorted out cuz the game is a ton of fun when it works, but definitely a disappointing launch 😕
The good news is i hear the character skill/stat grind isn't long in MO2 to catch up. Probably i'll check back in a couple weeks
@@LordBattleSmurf Good luck!
I never paid attention to this game in the slightest, but watching the footage in the video, it looks like something I'd be really interested in playing... if it wasn't for the full-loot pvp aspect.
I dont understand the fear of full loot pvp. Like albion and tarkov both are incredibly fun and give off the best adrenaline rush I've had playing games.
@@attom353 I can't speak for others, but i despise the idea of losing all that i have because someone killed me, i would be upset in a fair setting, but the idea that whoever killed me could have done so by having much better gear than i do or maybe because i was ganked is just fucking stupid.
@@Nomoon777 nah look at albion. People in flat tier 4 gear are capable of killing tier 8 players. Just more challenging or means you have to be more skilled. Also getting ganked sucks but its so dam satisfying when you kill say a group of 3 as a solo. But its not like its hard to regain whats lost. To me it makes me focus more on what I'm doing to be safe and ready for the fights. And just understanding of the fact that you cant win them all. 🙃
There are literally a million dumb single player games like this since the start of the internet. Take your pick.
@@attom353 yeah...no, ganks existing in a game turns off majority of the people. if full loot pvp is so 'satisfying', we would have been seeing tons of successfully full loot pvp mmos.
don't know why sandbox mmos always has to be full loot pvp, it's a failed niche concept for the last 20 years. these games are mmos in name only, there is no massive multiplayer since their own playerbase turn away new players from joining.
So sad that there is no AutoBlow advertisment in this video. Such a great integration potential wasted, considering how much current Mortal Online 2 situation sucks.
Thumbnail: just the word "SCAM" in big red letters.
4:30: "I don't belive this is a scam"
....yeah.......
While i understand the appeal of a single world, whats the issue with multiple worlds? There's nothing in this planet that can handle 100k players, 50k players in a single world that im aware of, and even if it were, in a magical place where they would be equally spread out, even a few concentrating somewhere would crash it.
And yeh if 5k-10k is the max of online you can handle.....what about everyone else? Its a balance of not having 100's of worlds empty but also 1 alone isn't enough clearly.
I'm glad you understand that this isnt a normal mmo launch experience, too many are trying to use it as an excuse for starvault and its sickening.
Btw you can refund through steam, you just have to talk to a rep. It’s steams policy not theirs. Their community manager has explained this to multiple people in the discord general chat, agree with everything else but not a scam
He specifically talks about "people cant refund the game because they were stuck in queues for hours" IE the Steam 2 hour window for refunds has closed. Thats where the scam claim comes from I assume... People screaming scam because they aren't familiar with the steam refund policy (less than 2 hours playtime) and waited in queue longer than this then when they went to refund steam denied them. Forming some conspiracy theory in their heads.
@@fr4me.01 what do you mean wait in queue? Wait in queue for a steam chat? Why would that count as playtime , that doesn’t even make sense. 2 hour play time is 2 hour of playing the game. If what your explaining is right , then that is a scam
If you don’t think the game is a scam then why did you put the word scam in the thumbnail?
Because it gets clicks, is that not common sense? It's a topic of the video, so it isn't a lie to use the word. It's a part of the video we discuss, people are calling it a scam. The video title/thumbnail doesn't use the words mortal online 2, so no one even knows the game before they click and then if they click they hear me say I don't think it's a scam.
I dont like how they had an early access for the game where they had no monthly sub and then went full release so they can start collecting their subs but the game still has so many features missing and ignoring the queue and lag problems the game has so many small things that need polish.
I bought and played this game based off your recommendation. Honestly man, I really enjoyed my time with it. It's got issues, and the melee combat feels awful, but the crafting and skills trees are really well done. I went Bowyer, Animal taming and cooking.
I really enjoyed getting my lore skills up, maxing out my crafting choices, and using my bows and wolves. Seeing swinging dicks and full frontal nudity threw me off constantly, but was somehow fitting in the game.
I had tempered my expectations cause it's early access, so I approached it like a beta. I lost plenty of wolves to them just disappearing from the game and eventually leaving due to loyalty loss, bandits in the dungeon would get stuck in walls, or mob me randomly while I rested from a fight. It was not ideal, but didn't kill the game for me.
I made my biggest mistake a day ago when I decided to try to leave Haven and join the main world. I have been stuck in queue for 20+ hours now and can't log in. I'm not super upset, for $40 I got 63 hours of play time out of the game, so I don't want a refund, but if they can't get their main server figured out, I think I'll move on to Lost Ark next week and just not look back.
Good video man, I recommend MO2 does not get a spot at KiraCon'22.
😁
Most of us that plan to play MO2 are excited for Lost Ark so a bunch of players will leave. The servers will never be able to handle 100K players. The game seems very active and cities are full when you can play now with only 4000 in on the server. Game needs to open at least 1 more server.
@@DocXGAMC couldn't agree more. If you're playing MO2 or Lost Ark and see someone named Tremendous, wave before you murder me. 😁😂
any game where you can only do first person melee combat is going to feel terrible for the vast majority of players. It gives you zero situational awareness and you have to turn your side and back to people when you are trying to see what is going on around you in a big fight. in a 1v1 it is manageable but once you start adding 2 or more people you are fighting against, if they get beside you, you can easily lose track of them.
For first person shooters, it is very different, because everyone is at ranged and it is not nearly as hard to keep track of people a significant distance away from you, but when they are up close and running around next to you, it becomes a complete cluster f*ck. Besides 1 shot mechanics, there is a reason why people hate melee in FPS games.
Gamers having these low standards are why games will continue to launch with less and less game, and more and more micro transactions.
@@DeagleGamesTV Just pay 4.99 and you can skip the queue
Tip for the devs: make it so mobs can’t spawn within a radius of the players and add a mob cap.
Already got developers leaving over this. Unfortunately I feel like this failed launch will have the same effect it had on Mortal Online 1 and this game will never have it's chance to shine due to Star Vault's mismanagement for a second time.
Developers of MO2 are leaving? Or you meant players?
Henrik is a stubborn SOB who wouldn't acknowledge that his "one world, one server" bullshit was never going to work. Now he's issued a humiliating notice stating that they're starting additional servers up..."in the next few days".
This is what happens when ideology meets reality.
After the latest patch my client started to permanently freeze after 30-60 minutes of playing. This has happened to multiple people with different PC setups and the issue does not even seem to be acknowledged by Starvault.
I started tweaking my video settings around and I managed to find a weird config that will allow me to play for about 1-3 hours at a time, but it's still horrible in a full loot PvP MMO to know for sure that your client can freeze at any time - it just makes me not want to play at all.
What will most likely happen is that most players will quit and the remaining ones will have a smooth play experience at that point. These players can then keep SV on life support until they can manage to fix their infrastructure (or maybe until the UE5 upgrade). It's really sad what irresponsible people can do to themselves.
The queues in FFXIV endwalker were because of the chip shortage and covid. You make it sound like the devs just had no idea of the amount of people who would be playing, but they did. The problem is the game saw a hug spike in popularity in the summer, which is not something they could have foreseen, and by then it was too late. They had already made their calculations for the player counts during endwalkers launch, and had in fact already made plans to expand their server capacities. But then the numbers wildly bloomed less than half a year before it, and the physical limitations made it impossible to catch up. The dev team has been pretty open and apologetic for these problems, and they just launched their oceanic servers.
Not trying to be overly critical of you, it's just as a dev myself I'm tired of people getting unreasonably angry at the FF devs for things out of their control. Too many people seem to think that game devs are magic wizards who can just materialize what they want at any given time.
Ya I was gonna say. This wasn't incompetence. They had a population boom during a time that's typically the slowest for them. There's no way they could have foreseen popular youtubers/streamers just deciding to try FF14 in the end of an expansion.
And not only have they already added Oceanic servers, they've shown plans to expand the other datacenters within the next year. Not to mention they gave people like a week of free game time when the login issues happened.
I’ve been playing mmos since 97. MMO launches feel like ground hogs day with the same basic mistakes made over and over again. No queue timer? No afk protection? If you KNOW you can’t support the user base you need to communicate to your player base what the fuck is going on and what immediate steps you doing to solve the problem.
@@Odseus and final fantasy had easy launches of their content. Shadowbringers was big but still had an easy queue albeit the odd "2002" bug. Endwalker was a different beast. from a chip shortage, to the unforseen mass exodus of WoW refugees, there was no forseeing how successful it was gonna be. Literally stopping the sales of the game for weeks just to get the queue down.
Yeah it's gotta be one of the roughest and most disappointing MMO launches by far. I'd recommend most people wait and play something else for a month then come back to see if they've fixed it before writing the game off entirely as Kira said it is a very unique experience that lots of people get hooked on, *when it works*
Honestly i think one of the most fucked thing about this game is how you have to pay $40 just to be able to play a month before getting paywalled
I respect and follow you because your critical spirit, your sincere way to approach controversies, your deep and accurate analysis, so, if you acctually do not think this is a scam, just dont put it in the thumbnail
I'll do what I think is best for my channel and content but thanks for the support.
Agree with both of you - thumb is a bit harsh, but the purpose is to generate $$$. In the end this is work
It ain't even about $$$. If I wanted $$$ I'd do a sponsored video or put a pre roll in all my videos. It's about growth and also getting what I have to say to as many ears/eyeballs as I can because I think it has value. I'd be doing myself a disservice by not trying to get as many people to click as I can if I believe what I say has merit.
@@KiraTV1 still, you're a man of ethics. The point is you actually had to take a minute in the video to kind of refute your own self making the clarification that you actually do not think it is a scam. I don't remember seeing it so obviously in the channel before. That's all. Good video tho :)
I didn't do that because for me to even have the idea to do that you would need to presume I knew what the thumbnail would be BEFORE I recorded the video. Which I did not. So I didn't take a minute refuting anything, I simply finished the video with what my opinion is and then decided what would get the most clicks while not being a lie.
As you said, I'm a man of ethics and I think this is ethically fine.
So not sure how it's obvious. Thanks.
Well im afraid that in a way it is a scam. The game sold over 80k copies I believe. Now after more than a week of issues, it seems pretty clear that Myrland, the one big "main world", can only handle about 1k-2k people at the same time. If they let in more like they have tried, the lag becomes so severe the game becomes unplayable.
Now they must have know this, that seems without a doubt. They have worked on this for years so there is no way in hell they didnt know their game couldnt even support anything close to 80k players. It cant even support 8k players. Thats the actual number of people now "playing" the game and im now in the queue in position 3668... That means the total number of people actually playing the game is around 4k but that is including all the people in the instanced tutorial island Haven.
Now if the number of players supported and the number of copies sold are so far apart, you got to wonder at some point, is it a scam? Because no refunds are offered and you basically have to hope Steam will do it with no guarantee they will. I dont think the game is intended as a scam, i mean, when it works its really good. But once the money started rolling in im afraid they lost the plot a little bit and should have shown restraint and stopped the sales. Instead they sold as many as they could, leaving most customers waiting outside in the rain.
Quick update: 2 hours have passed now and im in position 2745, so roughly 3/4 of the time left. That means a queue of about 8 hours. Why the game is basically unplayable is because once you finally get thorugh, you only have a 10 minute window to login to the game. After that you are disconnected and put back at the back of the line. So you cant just start the queue before you go to work or to bed or whatever, because then you will miss your 10 minute window most likely.
Of course making a second character to play in the tutorial world is not possible either. You cant even delete your character so you can play the tutorial with a new one. Literally the only way to play now is to buy a second copy of the game on a different Steam account... Hmmmmmm? How odd....
One thing to note when you spoke of the launches of things like FFXIV's end walker, and the like. The big difference there is the devs for XIV came out and were fully open with what was going on with their login servers. That there was a worldwide shortage of components for servers and they were on such a long waiting list there was nothing they could do about that. They also were upfront about what they were trying to do to lessen the strain, like repurposing the PTR servers to help take on the load, and other things. They were all very clear, open, upfront, truthful about it all, and also apologetic.
With all that most the player base understood and was fully accepting that they may be sitting for a few hours to get into the game. Heck, a lot of new discord communities were started with queue waiting groups for XIV for people to get together and do things while they wait. We had full-on D&D games going in some of them. It was great, and so many showed support and understanding for what was happening. Some even live-streamed the queue wait and had fun games they did with the people in chat watching.
Yes, you still have your handful of people that will complain and raise a stink for the sake of raising a stink and say the launch of end walker was a failure... but it wasn't, far from.
Then games like wow and such that start having issues but instead of being honest with what's going on they sweep details under the rug, blame issues on the user's end, and other nonsense.
I was fine waiting 8 hours at the longest to log into ffxiv day two of endwalkers launch as I knew why they were having issues, and what they were trying to do to ease the issues, and seeing how apologetic that it had to be this way due to the shortage that affected more than just them.
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Running into issues with other games and being told it must be on my end when countless others are coming forward with the same issue and being told jack all on what in the world is going on or only being told the classic 'we are looking into the issue' while giving zero details or anything.
Watching Mortal Online 2 on Twitch and goofy twitch streamers wait at a bank for hours on end because of lag is not something I would consider fun. Game looks so boring and the combat is nothing but janky jerk motion. And people waiting to log into the game for 5-10 hours. What a putrid disaster this game is.
Guess youve never played a game that looked boring from the outside before. Basically every MMO looks boring af. Unless they are action combat
good luck finding an mmo where it legitimately feels like sword art online, and experiences due to voip feel like vrchat mmo making one of a kind. watch when shits actually working and those streamers go on an adventure, its like mmo anime. its really sad because honestly this is an mmo everyone has been waiting for in terms of immersion.
@@tylercook-aitken8591 Just stop it mate. "this is an mmo everyone has been waiting for in terms of immersion" - then why the fuck is the peak player count barely 9.5k?
@@smthng maybe because its made by a small indie developer with little funds to promote???....thats plain old idiotic logic; to judge something like that when they have a small marketing budget, its the same thing as looking at adele before she topped charts and got a label and saying no one would like her music because she doesn't have numbers, fucking dumb. also it would have been much much higher than that given what has occurred. if 9k people are waiting in queue for this game think about how many people would have been playing if there was no queue or fuck ups. stop talking out of your ass mate and see that people are waiting days in queue with their computer just to play because they enjoy it so much. i bet you haven't even played this yet smh
Just a FYI , FFXIV isn't laggy since 3 expansions ago unless you on a DC the other side of the world from you! They added Instances back then during busy times. The issues outstanding are login times at launches, but they knew the issue were coming, they just couldn't get the needed equipment due to covid shortages - this is now in progress ;)
MMO are hard to make and release. But it makes the companies look so incompetent if they don't have a plan and developed all the systems that take the following into account:
- Huge population increase on launch
- Huge population decrease within a month
- Bugs and economy/progress ruining exploits
Systems they need:
- Have a que system, a auto kicker., maybe server instancing. (shadowlands sharding was really good)
- But also have working server mergers, character transfers system.
- Have a economy reset or a progress slowing affect. If you were 2 weeks behind in New World it became hard to do earlier stuff for example. That's insane.
If you take new world it would be good if the profession cap was 150 and ilvl 550 and after 3 months both were increased by another 100 + adding a higher tier currency than gold (platinum?)
- To slow down progress, have zones on launch be in control of the corrupted and it could a week of war effort to remove the barricades so it's accessible to players.
After watching Josh Strife review the 1st game and seeing they didn't learn for the 2nd game, I expected this to happen.
Josh shares my opinion and was the reason I didnt give it a try. Obviously people like it, but with all of it’s issues will it be enough people to keep a financial following for more than a year?
Josh strife Hayes is a tool and honestly has no imagination if a game doesn't hold your hand with quests. Also cries about the full loot system. Listening to him and using his word a a judgment is just sad
@@LightzOut1180 Agree, I feel like his opinion is more subjective than it is objective. Although his criticisms do have some good objective parts.
@@LightzOut1180 exactly destroys mmos for views. to a degree destroying a gaming niche he loves. just spurts his shit without a level of understanding which misleads masses. if its not a theme park he doesn't like it aswell. I feel like all small mmos pray that he does not kill them.
@@tylercook-aitken8591 good lord, JSH is not some Avengers villain taking down games...honestly pretending he has this level of sway shows how insecure you are, go out and touch some grass loser
wow, crashing & burning even faster than I predicted
Correction: FF14 had no lag at launch. That's why we had massive queues. They were not willing to comrpmise on server load so instead they made massive queues.
Which means people couldn't play, which was the point
this tbh sometimes its better to not say certain things like claiming "lag at launch" just cause its expected
With FF14’s Endwalker launch was an interesting one for me. I did experience the long queues but I never had to wait more than an hour. (Maybe because I’m a paying too player and not on the free trial?) I know I got lucky with the reported login errors. Being in the middle of a major city and having good internet probably helped.
But once I got in there was no lag at all. No rubber banding or any other issue. To be fair I’ve never had any issues with FF14’s stability in the ten months I’ve never played. The only issues I had were entirely on my end when the router had a funny five minutes.
But then my health deteriorated and I wound up in hospital for a week then spent another two weeks or so recovering. By then the crazy queues had gone.
Though honestly even before I got ill I was considering taking a break for a few weeks. I mean I’m all the way back at the start of Stormblood and haven’t actually purchased Endwalker yet because I’m probably still six months away from even getting close to being ready for it. I could wait a couple weeks and let those who’d been waiting for Endwalker to play, especially with the weeks the subscription wasn’t being changed. Then my health forced my hand anyway.
But there wasn’t any lag that I saw. At least on Omega server.
WWII Online at launch had sold over 100,000 copies and could only handle 500 players logged on at one time. On the first day, the server simply crashed until they limited it to 500 players, I think somewhere around 10-20K were trying to logon at any given time. That was probably the absolute worst launch I've ever been a party too. The developer did eventually make it right, one thing they did was make it free to play for several months. They upgraded their infrastructure to handle a lot more players, but the population that wanted to play dropped off dramatically.
this is a certified starvault moment
I tried it and wasn’t sure if the combat was so slow and bad because I was level 1 or if it was just that clunky then I got a bow and it took about 30 arrows to kill a zombie so I closed the game
The bow you had was basically a toy bow... Get a good crafted one.
@@richardsmith5803 oh wow lol
It was slow and bad because you had no stats/ skills leveled or proper gear... it changes drastically after you grind for a week or so. Very exciting pvp
When it works, it's a blast! I love being a short, chubby wizard who has been called, "Distressingly ugly." I'm still on Haven leveling with others while we wait for the mainland to be fixed.
Come find me, I'm Nana Mana. Just Nana, if you want to be friends.
Thanks for the update bro, I was thinking about trying it, but not with those issues. Hopefully it turns out to be something awesome!
I was going to buy the game purely on your recommendation. I wanted to give this a try.... but then I read the steam comments from launch day and several days after. I didn't like that there was a multi hour queue combined with there not being North American servers. Waiting in line to experience bad lag didn't sound desirable and therefore not something I can buy. I dont mind paying a box price and a monthly fee. Thats what all mmos used to be like, including wow. I would only have a problem with there being a monthly subscription and a cash shop as there was no cash shop in that old system.
This game has had a terrible launch, Yet I still love this game. There is so much good when you actually get to play it. Many will find it a lot of fun if they try it. I do recommend waiting until they fix the servers and queue times. A second Myrland (continent) will help get players in the game more efficiently. Each continent holds anywhere between 1500-2000. Total... Give or take 4000 players. The daily login in of concurrent players is usually between 7000 to 9000 daily. There will most likely still be a queue time, but not nearly as long as the one I am in right now, lmao. They will most likely add a 3rd continent in the future to help alleviate the queue as time goes on. Just my take, do what you will with this information.
2 weeks later and we still cant get in, the server is capped around 2,5k players.
@@evixtis as of right now, you can do the math, only 2.5k people can get in
I remember reading some reviews mentioning a queueing problem with European players too, so it seems it's starting to grow now.
Kira: I don't think it's a scam
Thumbnail: SCAM
Hmm...
Yes
6:59 in a proper stress test they multiply data. So 1000 people are effectively 4-10 thousand in terms of server load. So, yes, stress tests will be laggy even with fewer players, because they are simulating a higher load.
However, all that is moot if they don’t address the issues found and make sure their server scaling can handle this. There is no excuse for this in an era of cloud computing and network load balancing. There are out -of-the-box solutions for this (ironically, Amazon is the best well known of this but they definitely didn’t leverage it for New World)
There are no out-of-the-box solutions for stateful applications, what are you talking about?
Preciate that nice piece of background decoration on the right, really need to finish that anime. 🤣🤣
"I don't agree with the idea that it's a scam."
"But I'll put it in big red capital letters in the thumbnail of the video."
This video is s SCAM! xDxDxD
I've stayed in Haven to level up until their issues with Myrkland have been solved, today, I logged in only to see that i've lost about 300 skills and 2 books I've painstakingly read must be read AGAIN and all the pig iron and cuprum I did vanished (along with every skill level I gain mining and extracting it... Kinda disheartening to be honest.
This was due to a rollback, not a bug, just fyi.
@@Zilican Oh I know. now I'm just waiting instances. I think their temporary solution is only the first step into implementing multiple, permanent servers (although they may not know it yet...). But there's not way I'm leaving Haven if I have to queue even for 5 minutes.
day 1 was amazing. lots of fun RP and just a pleasure to watch on twitch. i havent tried to log in in days now though, clearly these issues arent going away any time soon, which is sad since this was the last hope for some time.
Love your content dude, a lot of other people would just damn the game due to the negative world of views and viewership. At least you and a few others actually want to better this community and just bring up the facts and help people in their decisions instead of just giving biased opinions. Keep it up broski.
The game definitely has potential. Definitely worth a shot it’s amazing when it works. They fixed que count but still needs work to hold more people and not take forever to log in. I hope it get fixed soon so it can get praise it deserves. For the most part it’s not to buggy other Th be crappy login issues right now.
It's been a rough launch so far but I absolutely love the game. I'm gonna stick around but I understand why people would leave or refund.
It's okay if you like garbage. It's your right
@@jonathansoko1085 Grow up.
@@LemonMan91 grow up kiddo
YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN. you literally have nonchalantly chilling in the background an actual weeb/wizard artifact. A dakimura, not only that but one of esdeath, one of the biggest mommys ever. respect lmao o7
Man looking at this situation and thinking that Zenith handled this issue very well when the server was having issues and login issues they responded to community concerns and managed to fix the issue faster then Mortal online 2 when shards aka (server worlds) werent loading or working
The game it self is super super dope and awsome, i got through the que and it was incredible 10/10 but it did take me 6 hours in que so right now its just sad
A developer that abandoned their first game to make a sequel without even addressing the issues of the first one is already a bad sign.
Don't excuse indie devs just because they're independent... they're the ones that thought they could make an MMO. They're the ones that told us that they could do it.
You have a good point, but that game was on UE3.5 so I can't really blame them for that.
"A developer that abandoned their first game to make a sequel without even addressing the issues of the first one is already a bad sign."?? Their biggest problem was old graphic. They couldn't get new players, because graphics and engine in general was too old.
Problem with server capacity and unpolished game (idk about it, in video Kira talked only about server cap) is just being stupid and not "without even addressing the issues of the first one". Server cap was problem only on launch, later most people left game anyway
@@ladrok97 You could argue that graphics was the biggest problem in the minds of those who were enjoying what little the game offered... but that's ignoring the reasons why the rest decided to stay away from the game.
"Most people left anyway" ... gee, I wonder why. For those that care about graphics to the point of quitting a game, they wouldn't have bought the game in the first place just by looking at screenshots. They left because they realized that, ultimately, the game wasn't polished enough to be fun for them to play. The devs didn't bother fixing the game to bring those people back.
That's what I referring to when I said "not addressing the issues of the first one"; it wasn't about server capacity.
To my original point, what makes you believe that they won't abandon MO2 like they did MO1? Because that's their track record right now. It doesn't inspire confidence.
@@gixG17 In my opinion graphics was biggest problem, because you couldn't find new players. Game without new players isn't good financial product. In my opinion biggest problem with player retention was paywall. Like you could play maybe 10 hours before you was too weak to kill any stronger monster or any player at all.
I disagree about 0 headroom because games are constantly optimized, therefore headroom is created/carved out.
Oh Darkfall :) You sir are truly OG. I loved that one too, even though it was a huge mess with terribly incompetent devs. Alas we the open pvp free loot sandbox fans can't afford to be picky. We even play sandboxes with no sand :(
Honestly, I've managed to get a lot of playtime in and the game is pretty amazing but how dumb do you have to be to make an mmo with a server that has a capacity of 3k and refuse even potentially opening up new servers.
This game was killed by one mans dream.
Thank you for making this video and putting all the important points out there.
Edit: recent stream yet again confirmed there won't be new servers.
That one mans dream is literally the only reason the game exists. Not to mention " how dumb do you ahve to be to make an mmo with a server that has a capacity of 3k and refuse even potentially opening up new servers" is an absolutely retarded state of mind, that is the thought process that stalls innovation. But that is prolly why most people think that way because they arent
innovators.
The problem is not the idea of a shared "single" server, is how you build said server.
Unfortunately for them they don't have the easy "cop out" of EVE Online, which has systems assigned to different nodes that can be reinforced if needed.
So if you want to run a actual single server game, you better hope that server is the mother of all servers, but running Mommy Server is going to be expensive.
It's a pity, I love this kind of games (spent like 12 years in EVE Online), but the sad part of it, these are meant for smaller communities (compared to your average theme park), the moment they attract to much people, you see the pitfalls
@@vitkosbence3705 Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it's so easy renting servers atm right? From my understanding thanks to covid and trade issues it's a real problem.
If that's not the case then yeah they 100% need to get more. Glad I did not buy the game myself.
@@vitkosbence3705 there are multipe ways of building your server's structure indeed, and we go back to, how much would it cost you?
@@vitkosbence3705
>Proper servers are expensive, and it's very hard to put everyone on the same instance
>ok but what about world of warcraft???
Sigh
This whole thing is tragic more than anything. But they did themselves no favours.
It's gotten a lot better. Alt servers allow you to instantly enter the game. Main server has an average queue of about 30-60 mins. Biggest drawback is alt servers have some limited guild/marketplace/mail/housing functionality. It's playable now, and certainly not a "scam".
Skol brother, I'm still glad I'm subbed to this channel even if I don't agree with you on everything. I appreciate you and the channel because I can get the dirt on something before I decide to dump money into it, you saved my wallet several times now.
Thank you for addressing this disaster. Haven’t watched through yet, but I’ve been waiting for your follow up. None of this is your fault, and people have been painting it that way for some reason. Have a lovely day.
I bought the game because of your first video and started playing as soon as I could. I wondered if I had bought the wrong game because it felt like the game was unfinished. Found out I didn't, asked for a refund. Not sure how they justify the price+sub of a game in this state...
1:55 while technically two decades is ‘over a decade’ saying ‘over a decade’ makes it seem like less than 20 years.
Large tendency to forget about 11, which came out in 2002. 14 is a decade old. Square has been doing the MMO thing longer than Blizzard has.
Launching games before they are ready seems to be the theme of MMORPGs gaming for the past couple of decades. It's like marketing people don't get it 😕
honestly its about how I expected, being a player of Mortal online and a early access player at that. The game mechanics just sucked in the first place, and they never took any quality of life suggestions to heart, making the players just gradually leave forever. They never bothered to think ahead of the playerbase, or what would keep players active, and simply 'made a game they wanted' but that no one else enjoyed. (relatively speaking) and I don't mean the full drop on death loot mechanics.
I admire the devs kind of for their no bullshit trudge forward mentality. If Amazon had some fucking balls with New World that game would have been much better, instead its a steaming pile of buggy shit because they decided to change the entire core of the game to cater to fucking babies. Weird how that works.
I love the comments, Kira shits on New World and everyone’s “you tell ‘em, blah blah”. The he tells the truth about your shitshow of a shiny and everyone gets pissy
Food for thought: I transferred over to Myrland last Wednesday in the wee hours of the Alaskan mourn, when it seemed to still be safe to do so, and I have not successfully logged on since last Thursday... Until yesterday that is! I quickly deleted my character that was already 7 days behind in skilling and resource gathering to reroll to the tutorial Island and power level for a bit in safety, ya know, where I can actually play... Then they rolled back the server 24 hrs because they DID NOT BACK UP THE SERVER before the last patch... I have been waiting in queue now for 2.5hrs to just delete my character again so I can actually play, but as of one hour ago my estimate was at 5.7 hours remaining based on my calculations... which, an hour later, has ballooned to a whopping 6.7 hrs from this moment, and climbing. I work a full time job, so I cannot afford to sit in queue all day like some people, so for me the game is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE.
Oh, and btw they will not delete your character for you, so I am doomed to wait if I ever want to play again, and the next patch is probably going to happen in around 6-8hrs from now.
I love the gameplay, but the incompetence on display is mind boggling. Thank you for sharing, your opinions and observations have far more weight than my onw, and I just wish I could get the devs to listen to a single word I say.
I've been sitting back on this one and I'm kinda glad I did. But I do hope they're able to work out these major issues soon.
I’ve been in Haven for a week. It keeps getting nerfed, and now they rolled back all my time put in yesterday (after saying they would NEVER wipe smh). Hard to stay enthusiastic 😔
They had to roll back cause some players found a way to duplicate items and they used the fuck out of it
@@ImperiomSineFine yeah I get why they did it but tbh, as based bellagio said, who gives a crap about the economy nobody can use anyway. Focus on fixing the game and wipe it fresh when everyone can get in. I mean the whole guild/keep system is fubar at this point anyway. Some guilds have had the majority of their members on afking their lives away while other guilds can’t even get half on. It’s all effed. Fix the server, fix the queue, tell us the cap, and when it’s working properly wipe it so everyone starts on an even playing field. Or not. Doesn’t really matter to me either way. I’m old, I don’t mind waiting for it to get fixed. There’s a lot bigger problems in this world than a video game not working properly 😌💁♀️
Good videos covering MO2, kept me from buying it while also keeping my interest in it's future. MO2 seems more like a private server of a 10 year old game.
I got the game after seeing your video - first MMO since SWG. Honestly, I feel like it was a good buy, but I’ve just been messing around in Haven. No regrets.
I think the CEO had a stream talking about the problems today btw.
One server in London just isn't going to cut it.
Oh, wow, Mortal online 2 isn't doing well. Imagine my shock. did NOT see that coming. It's almost as they learned nothing from MO1.
Made the same flawed game, with new issues.
Glad you did this vid, i actually bought the game cuz you recommended it in a previous video. Sadly havent been able to play after 3 hours tutorial.
Only reply i got from community is; uninstall you wouldnt last long in this game anyway. Sad to see my money and 28hours in que time disrespected like this.
Glad your honest in qll positives and negatives, might try this game again in a couple months
Probably been said already buut, in the examples of eg FF14 a huge issue is the lack of server hardware, they literally could not expand fast enough even with months in advance because they just could not buy the hardware due to worldwide lack of supply. Pretty interesting reads across the months on this from the game director, so it made me wonder about other games also. Like, I wonder if this is also a thing for indies right now, if they don't have a good picture of how much they need? Established games probably would have less issues still...
Anyway, still sounds like a rough time and clearly not in the least optimal, let's hope they can get the ship floating again rather than let it leak half-patched.
Been waiting for this video. I played the first three days without issue (somehow able to get into the game while others couldn't) and since then have been completely unable to get in.
Personally I think the game is severely undercooked regarding to content, but these issues are definitely past the point of being ridiculous.
I mean, we knew this was gonna be trash
The mods on their discord are also abusive and condescending to the community. Especially Voltas and Dropbear. Dropbear in particular will warn and mute people for saying the word "refund" or expressing opinions he disagrees with. Don't say "refund" or "wipe" in their presence or you're out the fucking door. The people they have chosen to represent their community and company are about as high quality as their launch has been. Robmo is alright but seems inexperienced, they only just brought him on though. Every other mod on the server needs to be axed.
I've been in a queue now for 26 hours, my position is 619 and the community told me thats about 12-16 more hours till im in. I have the patience to wait!
I appreciate the honest review. ill keep my eyes on it and remain hopeful they listen to what people have said
This video is spot on man, this game is one of a kind... so unique and i love it, straight up an experience you wont get anywhere else, the immersion is top notch BUT they aren't handling this whole situation right at all, last night they put out a patch that legit broke the que even more on top of making in game unplayable because of lag/delay and they legit just disappeared and just left it like that, didn't give an update or say one thing, imo why not stick around for an hour or 2 to make sure the results of the patch are alright or just wait until the morning?? on top of radio silence while the game is just over all broken completely, discord mods locked down channels in discord STILL with out saying a word.....they left it like that and didn't give any updates or information AT ALL until many hours later. That right there was it for me, the fact they did do early access on steam before going straight to full release is beyond me, the fact that they're STILL SELLING COPIES while knowing full well that it doesn't work at all as you still cant get in unless you hit the lottery and get insanely lucky, but its a over 3k person q apparently and it just goes up and down and PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME QUE NUMBERS. This mornings rollback kept the que placements shown... but removed the "timer" because it clearly broken.. going from 1 minute to 5 minutes to 25 to 150 back down to 5 down to 1 up to 140.... sometimes it would even go up to 16000 minutes, literally.....it makes no sense, so they just straight up removed it so people would stop complaining... I feel its either something severely broken that they should take the servers down and rework to fix, or its literally the servers just cant handle the amount of people joining.... in which case they need to just stop being so stubborn and make other servers to spread out the player base so its not such a load on one server. As it stands now though it seems they just want to keep doing little patches to "fix" these issues but it literally just breaks the game more every time. I'm really really hoping this game succeeds but they are making it REALLY hard to back them up.
It's such a shame... I bought the game and enjoyed my time in "tutorial island", but boy oh boy this launch was mishandled. Not only that, but I wonder how maxed out players will find things to do on the main server. I was expecting to be "forced" to get out of tutorial island ASAP to work some skills, but ended up farming levels and skills until I had barely 100 skill points in both actions and professions. I have mixed feelings about this game...
Nice pillow in the backgroud, I assume you use it simulatnously with the previous sponsor toy?
Great video as always
yeah idk why anyone would expect a "big singular shared world" to work at that size - completely mindlessly delusional
Critical analysis is good. Saying it’s not a scam several times, and using a SCAM thumbnail is pathetic. Lack of confidence in your content showing through.
he probably just wanted to clickbait people and then elaborate on his thoughts.
Yeah I thought he was above clickbait... evidently not
I think calling it a Scam is a fair point. If they advertise a game with "one server only" and selling 100k copies but their server can't even handle 10k people, then yeah it is a frickin scam, false advertising. I'm already afraid of how amazon will fuck up LostArk launch next week..
Game subs are such an archaic monetizing strategy. I can't believe these are still on the table for some devs in 2022...
Bought the game and I've been having a lot of fun exploring Haven. So far I haven't seen any of those issues you are mentioning. Hopefully they will get it fixed, still a big supporter of the genre so I don't mind the 30 bucks.
Haven is the only part of the game that works dude
Seriously... we need to stop using the term "Scam" as a blanket term for "the game didn't come out the way I wanted..." or "the game is broken."
This game's issues are clearly due to incompetence, not malice.
Hanlon's razor, basically my motto.
Never attribute to malice, that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
It is a scam. As it's dishonesty about the product state - regardless of whether it's due to incompetence or malice. Refusal of refunds and turning off support channels / inbox is just a discusting move.
@@Patryk-Sowinski A scam is promising a product, not delivering, and running away.
These guys are still trying to fix the product and hence, it's not a scam.
@@Patryk-Sowinski Yes, we get it, evil queue pissed in your coffee. There's no dishonesty involved. They tested the game on a smaller scale, and now the game is experiencing a lot of activity, which stresses the servers beyond a point they weren't prepared for.
They. Are. Working. On. It.
Refunds go through Steam, not through SV's spam mail and they're not turning off support channels, they just implemented Slow Mode on public channels because screeching degenerates like you are going on a brigading witch hunt.
@@BouncerMcDayGreen Its a promise of a working product. It doesn't matter what they tested and what worked then. The fact of the matter is it does NOT. Couldn't give a fuck about what they are doing about it, matter of the fact is: Customers. Cannot. Use. Something. They. Paid. For.
Refunds go through steam sure, however steam itself directs you for support to the Developers as well as provides you with their support channel. Which isn't in "slow mode" but is disabled and does not accept any correspondence. Go run a postman query for all I care.
Witch Hunt? Abso-fucking-lutley. Unlike you many people don't enjoy being spoonfed shit - so like a normal human beings with working brains; People are calling this trash out. Regardless of the refund, I geniuenly hope that this launch has killed the games longevity.
Hey Kira I like you but your thumbnail has a big red SCAM graphic logo on it and at 4:30 you say you don't think it's a scam. That is a super clickbaity thumbnail, you are better then that man.
Thanks I didn't know what it said
Not thrilled one bit. Still fighting steam for my refund, its hard when you have "X" amount played over the refund time limit, 90% of which was in que.
And to add, I have a serious problem with them putting it on sale, as well as having it still up on steam, when its not functioning correctly. That seems shady to me, and very dishonest / greedy.
They’re missing such basic features that it’s sick. Queue system, no afk timers, 1 tiny server with no plans to implement another or multiple more. Henrick says he is talking to steam about multiple servers but I highly doubt he will do it. I think he is honestly content with having the game always be a small and niche game so 4k concurrent players is all they want to scale for. That is ridiculous and cripples the growth of the game.
I tried warning people these developers are terrible. Got the usual “you are just a carebear crying because it isn’t a themepark!” type of reply. Nevermind I am exactly the audience this game is for being interested in hardcore sandbox games and played EVE for 15 years. Even gave this company my money for early access of MO 1 because I wanted that game. But the developers were absolute shit then, and still are now.
I think they've just bitten off more than they can chew. The game actually plays really well imo when it works and I enjoy it a ton. But it's unacceptable to be in the state it in login queue wise atm.
Let us look at the information. Star Vault has created a game a MMO in less than 6 years with a staff of 30 employees and less than 20mil dollars. While CIG has a staff of over 700 and been working on the same game for 10 years with, 600,000,000$ in funding and still has nothing.
Star Vault can handle 5,000 concurrent players while CIG can only handle 50
Too true.
This give me more ammo for my thought about creating a stress-test company. The company would be a contractor to any upcoming MMO studio and would do an array of "Release Tests" including stress testing with X amount of players from around the world, an AI that makes each bot at least move around a bit, and give detailed reports on the results and recommendations as well as analysis of these common things like recommending a queue, showing players their position in queue, having a plan for rapid expansion and contraction of server resources as the playerbase fluctuates (especially on launch and then after when numbers drop), etc. Back in the day this used to be part of the QA team in a studio but of course nowadays instead of paying for quality QA they make money on QA by just giving players access.
Orr developers could not do that and save a bunch of money and still put it out and make a bunch of money. If they don't care about qa internally they aren't going to pay someone else to do it.
I played the open beta and really liked the idea of Mortal Online 2, total freedom, absolutely massive cities, and hardcore nature. If you play this game I hope it grows and you have more people to play with. However, in the beta I did not like the combat (it could have changed). Magic felt too slow and clunky, and melee weapons damage based on distance was frustrating on wifi because I would be hit by zombies in the graveyard 5+ meters away, and then by the time I could attack it would be hilt strikes because what I saw and what the server saw were not aligned. Weapon damage distance is a cool idea, but I don't think it works in an online game because of inherent latency.