Mother 3 Comparison (Earthbound 64 vs GBA)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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For a while, I've been really interested in Earthbound 64, and so I've made a side by side comparison between the N64 and GBA version.
I got the GBA sprites from here - starmen.net/mo...
I downloaded the music from here - forum.starmen....
For the final cutscene, I really had to guess where the two screenshots would happen in the GBA version. I guessed the first screenshot was Tazmily, since the town seemed to be even more of an Onett knockoff in the n64 version, and Onett had those tall buildings you couldn't enter, and so does that screenshot. Also, the ground is splitting apart, just like Tazmily in the GBA version. The GBA version doesn't have a scene of New Pork City falling apart like in the n64 version, so I just had to improvise. I can't see them, but apparently, there are those weird tornado things in the background of the New Pork City/Island(?) picture, so I found the equivalent of that scene for the GBA version, which shows the whole island, with those same tornado things in the background. What I'm trying to say is that I tried my best to make this comparison video as accurate as possible.
![Early Final Boss + Ending Concept - MOTHER 3 GBA [READ DESCRIPTION]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bAboOpX1ie0/mqdefault.jpg)
the porky one isn't accurate, it's an old lady from the village
Lmao
lol they're an old lady? I still feel like it's Porky but you probably know more than me. Are there any other screenshots of her? I want to know who they are now. Anyway, thanks for correcting me
@Echoes wow, that's impressive! I'll pin the original comment.
@@3dski895 just wandering is porky never in the n64 verison?
@@David-cv9sf Not in anything released to the public. They may of made him for the N64 version of the game before it was cancelled. It is very likely that Porky was intended to be in the N64 version of the game since so much of the N64 version matches up with the GBA version.
As much as I would have loved to see the N64 version, I'm happy we got the version we got. Sprite art is timeless.
It just captures the earthbound charm so much more.
@@bagelgod946 Also i think we agree that some of the N64 character designs were horrible, i mean, cmon, lucas's original one was not a main-character-worthy design
@@olavored1733 your not wrong, but they still were being worked on. I doubt they would have looked had it come out on the 64
@@bagelgod946 rightt
@@olavored1733 I don't agree. Look at Flint, he looks badass, Duster has the same design, Wess has a cool blue jacket, Salsa is purple! and Lucas looks fine, I mean a smiling kid with a striped shirt wouldn't have fit the tone and artstyle, Boney looks good in game, just not in that one pre-rendered screenshot. The only main character that looks bad is Kumatora, and they didn't even have as big of a role in that version. the villager models are fine, they still have lots of personality just like in the GBA version.
I did not realize that Earthbound 64 was turned into Mother 3 until yesterday, like I’ve known about both for a long time, but I never knew that.
Also, I don’t see why they couldn’t have made it pixel art on the n64, like the main reason earthbound 64 never released is because the 64dd failed, which was needed because of how big the game was.
yeah Mother 3 is basically a GBA port of an n64 game, I mean the developers literally had a room with an n64 hooked up and they would play Earthbound 64 so they knew how to transfer everything accurately into a smaller console.
Another fun fact: The Mother 3 soundtrack is almost identical to Earthbound 64's, the only major difference being they had to downscale the quality for it to fit on the GBA. Most mother 3 songs were made with the N64 designs and graphics in mind.
Wanna hear some irony? Kumatora's 64 design is my least favorite character design in the whole series (too revealing for my taste) but her GBA design is one of my favorite character designs in the series.
they made her look like a hooker 😭
gotta say n64 boney seen some shit
Mother 3 on the N64 was so close. Itoi said if they only had one more year of development time, it would have been done. It was trashed when the GameCube was first shown off, and Itoi didn't want to take away resources from that.
With all these leaks that's been happening, I feel we're close to finally having this prototype.
It’s a shame they didn’t pull an animal crossing and just release what they had on the GameCube. Yeah it wouldn’t have looked amazing, but if the story was still solid and the game was fun enough I think they could’ve done it
Animal Crossing is a different beast. We don't know what chapters were fully complete and if they even flowed smoothly.
I remember hearing reports that playtesters said the game hard crashed after Chapter 1, so maybe 2 wasn't finished at the time of cancellation.
I dream that someday we have a prototype leak, so that people could hack it and complete the game. I mean, we have the whole Script on Mother 3!!!
@@ArtexandreFuzaro Getting a prototype would be really cool but I feel that the effort would be better spent creating a modern 3D reimagination.
@@TheBestWorstChannelonUA-cam Judging by how many stills there are from a lot of chapters, it's clear that they were working on many chapters at once and a lot of them could have been close to being finished. I'm thinking that hard crash could have meant several things, like maybe they were only supposed to test chapter 1, or maybe it was a genuine bug.
6:53 "dam I messed up we gotta go bald"
2:50 for an N64 game, this screenshot looks shockingly good...
I feel like Dr. Andonuts translated really well to 3d 6:04 . I want this game found so bad
нет, его модель была до этого
I remember reading about this in some magazine and being so pissed when they canceled this. Thank you for this weird dose of nostalgia.
This video mostly made me sad and depressed , but filled with awe, remembering the GBA game, its unique once-in-a-genre story
Spoiler:
It's a shame the series ended on such a pessimistic note, considering how optimistic 1-2 were. Although it's amazing.
@Bug but I still thinking that MOTHER 3 just destroys the original meaning of the saga: being positive (in one word: Pollyanna).
@15 yr-old psycho what makes you say that?
@@TheSuperPlayer707 Pollyanna isn’t about being optimistic it’s about being naively optimistic, being about to believe in someone or soemthing even tho they done u wrong in the past just cause u ‘believe in second chances and silver linings’
The whole point of Mother3’s ending was that it was left to the players interpretation. If you wanted everyone to be ok and have there lives restored, great, you’re aloud to think that.
I found the entire game felt like it was almost in a dystopia. I think ultimately that’s why Nintendo never localized it, it’s a tragedy with a lot of disturbing imagery and controversial concepts. Earthbound had some, but it kept them subtle. Mother 3 was just outright a cautionary tale.
ive never seen most of the screenshots shown, thanks a lot!
Sure thing, thanks for watching!
the new images are sourced from Motherforever.net
Zen64 bought footage from the Spaceworld 1997 Nintendo Company Report off EBAY and by pure luck noticed the Earthbound 64 footage that had been lost to time.
@@3dski895 He actually just bought all the 98 Nintendo Company Report Footage from a seller on EBAY and only had a hint of how much stuff was on it. He put it all up on his channel at ZEN64 ua-cam.com/channels/NKGSWWs55FILEDiMbKSS_A.html
@@Toxik_Dubz yeah I know, I'm just saying that he most likely knew eb64 footage was on there in some way.
it’s surreal to see scenes that appeared in both versions
Woah I didn't realise how similar the two games were. It looks like the story and everything had all been figured out well before production of the GBA's Mother 3! Thanks for this. I'm glad we got the pixel style in the end, it's perfect.
More or less! Itoi has mentioned the GBA version toned down a lot of the darker themes, which he considered a good thing.
@@DaVince21I really wonder what the darker themes would’ve been, because the game we got is still dark as shit lmao
The only thing I think is that the ending would have been much more shocking (because of the part where everything is destroyed/
Leder is nightmare fuel in 3D, looks like he'd be in one of those "cursed images with Mother music" videos
fuel mother 3
This may be an unpopular opinion but I really like the art direction for the N64 version. The human faces on the polygonal models are weird looking but not uncanny. Other than that I like the darker colors, games on N64 with darker colors have a very cool atmosphere to them, like Clankers Caverns from Banjo Kazooie.
yeah, I agree. N64 games have such an interesting atmosphere that would have fit Mother 3 perfectly. The models in this game don't even look ugly in my opinion.
ye, the only dumb models are Leder and Boney, they looks so wierd lel
I think there is a certain charm to those models as we see them now, but we also don't know how any of the models would have looked like contextually in motion in cutscenes or other in-game events anyhow.
The best look we have of them is from promotional material that wasn't even technically fully developed because by the end of 99 the models were being revamped by the Pokemon Stadium team about some time before the game was ultimately canceled.
Who knows how much more polished they would have looked like should it have come out after all. And I strongly bet that was a major part of the trouble making Mother 3; as they kept delaying it, they had to go back and upgrade the 3D models over and over again to be less behind of the competition, when it would have arrived. They came into making this game in-over their heads.
If anything, I wish it ended up being on N64 because the console was severely lacking in its RPG offerings. I think it would've gotten more attention for this reason, since this certainly wasn't the case with the GBA
@@rossmerchant8435 honestly a part of mother 3's unpopularity was that the DS was announced at around its release and the GBA dying out, as well as the hype being dead after Itoi mentioned EB64s cancellation
At least we could see Flint's eyes in the N64 build of the game.
This is great as it shows a lot of stills from the game towards the end of the games story where the world is ending. I believe it was a lot more completed than I had thought.
Miyamoto from his perspective said it was like 60% done
@@oceandreams7774 to be fair, Iwata has been on record saying miyamoto is a tad bit strict and, when it comes to game development, when he says "60 percent done", the majority of the dev team are left scratching their heads as they thought the project was almost done.
I want to go back into a timeline where this game released on the n64 😔
I feel you bruddah
@@3dski895 I Agree
If I had a time machine, the first thing I'd do is go back in time to spaceworld '99 and steal one of the EarthBound 64 cartridges when no one was looking.
Because of Kumatora?
Mee too
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I'm really happy that we got the sprite game boy version.
It really suits up better the game, fits with it's predecesors and the designs are by far superior that the 64 ones.
Yeah, I like pixel art more than models...
exactly what i wanted to say!
it would've been fine if it was a standalone game on the N64, but given its significance to the other 2 games, i would've hated to see it only on the N64
I also like the pixel art better, though I would still love to have both
I’ll always preach that the N64 version being cancelled was a blessing in disguise.
The pixel sprites stays true to Earthbound, but the N64 models look cursed, with the exception of Flint which he looks closer to his Gameboy Advance counterpart.
6:28
**pushes up glasses**
_Actually,_ the Kumatora put here from Mother 3 N64 is the one that appears after the 10 year time skip. However, the Kumatora from Mother 3 GBA is the one from before the time skip in the GBA version.
just to be clear, i don't actually care lol it's just a little detail i noticed that doesn't really change anything but i figured i'd point it out anyway lol
*shhhhhh*
don't let them know...
It's only a 3 year time skip. Not ten.
@@FutaYuuta yeah but it’s still a time skip
but I don’t really care anyways so it’s not worth arguing over lol
@@FutaYuuta originally, the game was meant to have a ten year skip.
Or to be specific, would have followed the characters across 10 years, at least from what i know
People keep saying they are glad we got the gba version because of graphics, but what about all the missing story stuff we never got, like the battle system, or certain characters playing bigger roles or somethings having more reason or depth to it, or things taken completely out, like the kraken and other things
Also i honestly prefer the n64 look of the game and adore Lucas’s n64 design
Yeah and plus the 64 version was in its beta version so it would have looked at lot better if it came out
necessary and important fact: in the first comparsion, the grass and stone paths got switched.
I’d kill to see a fully realized 3D version of this game
Too bad we'll never know how Porky would have looked like on the N64 version. I also think the Ultimate Chimera would have looked much more grimier and scary
The guy that designed the chimeras for the N64 version actually doesn't even remember the ultimate chimera existing
I do agree though, if it was in eb64 it'd be terrifying
Sometimes i wish we had earthobund 64, but im not complaining
7:19 You can see the Onett sign from EarthBound is underground
which would mean the initial plan was to have Mother 3 take place in at least some of the familiar locations.
What if the whole plot twist that Tazmily people are acctually from Mother 3 N64 world?
...okay maybe their difference in appeatance is enough proof that what i suggested is stupid...
In an alternate universe where the N64DD didn’t flop; We got Earthbound 64/Mother 3 on N64.
super mario 64 2 too
The one glaring flaw of the N64 for me, was its absolute dearth of RPGs. There were a total of FOUR true-blue RPGs for that system that made it to America - Quest 64, Gauntlet Legacy, Paper Mario and Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage, which came out in 2001, which was pretty much the end of the system's lifespan.
Imagine if we had gotten Mother 3 as Earthbound 64...
Hard to believe Mother 3 was planned for the Nintendo 64 but was downgraded to the Gameboy Advance. I never would have thought if I haven't stumbled upon the original 64 trailer
P.S. What's the song at 5:19?
I'm glad they made Mother 3 for the GBA, Because the artstyle is wierd on the 64 version. They went for a more detailed style instead of the cartoonish artsyle.
It looks weird at first, but I remember reading that the 64 version is the type of style they've wanted since the beginning. It's just because of technical limitations that they had to use simple sprites for the first two games, but for the 64 they were finally able to adapt Mother 1's clay model designs into the actual game. Since Mother 3 GBA solidified the series style, the 64 designs do look weird, but they are most likely the closest to the true Mother art style.
@@3dski895 wasn't that actually talking about the felt designs for the gamecube?
Lucas from Earthbound 64 was going to be in Melee if he did He wasn't going to be fat and short like ness and his eyes would not be Black dots and he would have probably had a different voice actor So after that in Super Smash bros ultimate Lucas and ness would be in super Smash bros ultimate at the same time Since that game brought back every character Lucas and ness would look like characters from 2 different Series.
why Lucas and cláus have the same design but change the color hair
2:00 RIP Kleen 97 Duster, you will be missed
I know the 3D game was in development hell and we're not seeing what might have been the final version, but judging by these comparison shots, I do think the studio was better suited to translate these characters into their final pixel art rather than 3D models. Maybe things would be different if it got a 3D release nowadays compared to the early days of 3D though.
Why does everyone look dehydrated?
..... huh?
Leder, Isaac and Boney's redesigns are why I'm grateful for the GBA version as we have it.
To be honest while I'm sure it would have been pretty great to have a Mother game on N64, I'm glad Mother 3 is on GBA. It's timeless unlike this game that was being developed that would've already been showing it's age immediately.
Oh my god. I love MOTHER 3 on GBA, but god damn, imagine how powerful the death reveal scene would've been with Flint in 3D. You can see his face. It's terrible, it's horrifying, it's super sad.
It looks corny dude. He looks like he's trying to swat an annoying bug out of the air, not like he just found out his wife died
@@youngkappakhan I mean, yeah. It is corny. That doesn't really matter for me.
It is a kids' game, so I'm willing to excuse a few inaccuracies if it gets its point across either way.
I'm also not gonna die on the hill of criticising an N64 game for its graphics, cause like... obviously it looks like shit. It's an N64 game.
@@youngkappakhanwhich version
Heh Dr. Andonuts is the most accurate
7:24 MOTHER2のフォーサイドじゃない？
にしても、こんな画像どこから見つけたんだ、、、凄い‼️
I see a sign saying Onett, so it's not Fourside
had this came out on n64 it wouldve been the oot killer
Doubt it
doubt it
I say the same thing
This game looked really good for an N64 game
Yeah because it was supposed to be launched on the Nintendo 64DD (pretty sure ya know)
6:32
Kumatora was originally gonna be...... A lewd looking character ?
Yes, I'm glad they changed Kumatora's design, the N64 looks like the Rouge of Mother 3.
This should've been in the leaks. A ROM or anything.
Imagine if Earthbound 64 was the version we ended up with rather than the Mother 3 we ended up getting.
something I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned before is that if Earthbound 64 came out, there's a good chance we could've gotten an Earthbound 64 remake on the 3DS like they did with lots of their other N64 games.
@@3dski895 OMG you're right! I've never thought about that!
I think the N64 looks better i would love to play this game
Didn't they confirm at 2:53 that was actually his Swing skill in an interview?
Please don't get me wrong, I think these prototype assets are absolutely amazing, but I'm glad we had the product we got instead
Wow. They really had a good chunk of the game ready to go. They even had the ending ready.
Imagine how cool watching an N64 version of the Needle Pulling.
Thanks for sharing glad you found more footage for the cancel Mother 64.
I might be in the minority here, but I’m kinda glad the game didn’t come out on the n64. The pixel art just complements the rest of the game’s tone so well, and it looks great.
it's amazing to me just how much stuff stayed the same, story-wise, and even visually. i'm so unbelievably happy with the mother 3 we got, but i'd love to play an old copy of earthbound 64 someday, just to see how it compares. while the models are a little uncanny, and i think the sprites work way better tonally, they are very charming.
Maybe someday a team can make Earthbound 64 using Mother 3 and all the screens and videos of EB64 we have...
or just fucking leak it
Honestly it makes me wana learn to make video games and make eb64 r
Theres a fan remake only got tazmilly and the woods hes working on the dessert part
boney looks like hes seen some things
Flint looks *good* on the beta. His anger cutscene gives me real Quake vibes! I wonder how he would've looked hatless... Still bald, I'm assuming. Heh.
3:16 The zombies kinda look like the Pseudo-Zombies from Mother (from NES)
Thanks for the video. I always wanted a comparison. But I noticed you haven’t shown Isaacs newer model from EB64.
Issac has a newer model?
@@3dski895 It is not been verified yet but I saw someone sharing it. twitter.com/bfalcon200/status/1397347725100847110?s=21
@@amdon6176 woah, it's literally Issacs body but with a different head and skin tone. Even though it's not verified, I think I believe it. Thanks for sharing, that's pretty interesting.
Gosh, the N64 version was closer to completion than I thought! I didn’t realize that almost all of the events from the GBA version were in here, cause the side by side differences weren’t that different at all.
This looks pretty far in development, I hope someday a beta or prototype leaks out like Dinosaur Planet did for the Nintendo 64
In the iwata asks interview they said the problem wasn’t with the development of the game but the politics of switching to a new console
This was super interesting. But when N64 Kumatora came up I was like 😳
as much as it sucks mother 3 on the n64 didnt happen, at least we got a cool looking kumatora on the gba instead of whatever THAT. is
she'd probably have a very different personality too
She looks like she is from a r rated movie
ngl the only design I actually enjoyed in the N64 version as much as the gba version was Flint. Also is it just me or does it seem like he was intended to stay a main party member in the N64 version?? If you take a look at the scene in 6:08 the N64 version looks like it has Flint, Lucas, Duster and Boney rather than Kumatora.
Wess was a playable character to thata why chapter 4 is so hard.
perdona mi ignorancia, pero me puedes explicar porque decidieron hacer el juego en gba? se ve que en nintendo 64 el proyecto estaba muy avanzado.
Creo que era por muchos factores, al ser un juego RPG tenía muchas complicaciones para ser plasmado en la N64, la historia terminó siendo demasiado compleja para lograr entenderla en la consola, temían que los controles fueran demasiado confusos para los jugadores, tenían pensado plasmar 12 capítulos con cada protagonista, esto según iba a dar una duración de 60 horas de juego para completarlo, eso y añadiendole las malas decisiones financieras, y la poca experiencia de los desarrolladores con los juegos 3D terminaron cancelando la entrega.
Podria decir que esta trilogia tuvo un ciclo,en un punto del desarrollo terminaron haciendo el juego desde cero de nuevo,pues mother 2 se reinicio en un punto tambien
WAIT A FUCKING SECOND, DOES THAT SIGN SAY "ONETT"!?!?
They switched the grass & cobble around for the first one.
i thought this game was just an early prototype with barely a few screenshots shown in magazine.. but no.. it feels like the game was almost pretty much done! thats crazy! ok.. i think it looks like shit compared to some other n64 game lol but its awesome to see all that! great job doing this video! o/
according to the devs it was about 60% completed before being cancelled
8:17 NAHHHHH 💀
When I'm trying to imagine what mother 64 could be it always wents like an Animal crossing, but with battles
I like the Mother 3 that we have now, but it'll still be cool to see this leaked or officially released. Only gripes I have with this is Issac and Kumatora's designs. They're garbage.
Wasn't this game going to be released in the west originally?
It was
Didn't know they had that much work done.
I'm thankful Mother 3 was delayed to GBA. The graphics have aged way better with pixle style.
it’s cool how the broad strokes of Chapter 1/2 and parts of 3 and even further beyond seemed to already be there though it’s hard to tell how much of this was just script drafts and mockup renders
For all we know Earthbound 64 is just a less polished version of Mother 3. Had it been released as intended, we may never get Mother 3.
If Mother 64 happened it could have been a start to an evolution to a modern day EarthBound.
Looking at this, I would totally want a mother game in 3D, sucks it never came out. It would be really cool to see some of these cutscenes and play out in 3D like the boney one. At least they changed the Isaac design lol.
one day someone will find the lost beta for earthbound 64...or mother 3 n64
So im confused does this mean that Mother 64 has the story as Mother 3?
I always thought Mother 64 was going to be a murder mystery kinda story with a cowboy Detective kinda vibe? Maybe it was early draft?
Also whats with Japan and detectives I mean the orginal FF7 was supposed to be a detective story in a city like New york? I know detectives are universal.
Japan also likes cowboys. I guess its the same thing with USA liking ninjas and samurais.
I just dind it funny.
What’s the guitar song that was playing in the background called anyone
Even though the N64 visuals don't hold up as well as the pixel art...I still would've loved for that version to have come out. And it's amazing how many of the those shots line up.
Wow! Mother 3 for nintendo 64 if it had been released at the time, it could have faced you with final fantasy 7!
I hope that someday the N64 version gets leaked, I've heard that the game wasnt too far off from completion so if that ever happened fans could possibly rebuild the game and finish a version of an amazing game that never saw the light of day
0:31 GUY BIG LUCKY 😏😏
Lucas and claus n64 models tho 😳
Where did all these screenshots come from, I had no idea so many existed
2:00 che
How long did it even take you to locate all of this?
They would’ve gotten sued by Jim Henson if they went with the original save frog design
I'm gonna be the voice of dissent, I am extremely nostalgic for n64/ps1 era terrible 3d models and stuff so I wish this version did exist. Especially since the good ol' 64 had barely any good rpgs for it. I love Mother 3 as is but I really hope a prototype comes out/I wish back then it was easier to do 3d and 2d versions like Dragon Quest 11.
At this point, I'm glad that the N64 version was never finished. It was going to be a "product of its time", where it would be 3D because that was practically the mandatory trend for consoles of that generation. Sure, we got a few 2D games anyway and the PS1 mostly defied said trend itself, but the wait wasn't that long in the end, and it ended sticking with the traditional design from its past 2 titles.
7:16 The sign says Onett and is even designed like the original Mother 2 graphic.
That's really weird. Maybe Mother 2 played a part in the story back then.
I guess it was planned to show what's left of Eggland in a chapter I also remember that in an ad there was ness and it seemed like she was a playable character
@@enderclasscraft6411 he
If there is ever a remake or release of Mother 3 also for western audiences, I hope it includes the ROM of the latest build of the Nintendo 64 version as a bonus or Easter Egg.
00:00 name of the song?
Adolescence
So technically it’s a complete game which was never released at all and then moved to the GBA. Interesting stuff.
I like how Claus is just Ness in 1996.
ness or ninten or whatever
GBA MOTHER 3 🤢
N64 MISS BEST RPG 3D 😢😔
I don't knwk why this is so adictive, same for Ura Zelda, Banjo Threeie, Mother 3, Donkey Kong Racing, Dinosaur Planet (Star Fox Adventure) and more games that never came to life, I wish we get full game just like Dinosaur Planet in every game I mentioned.
Parece que o claus ia ser igual o ness
the screenshots you claim to be from the ending are actually supposed to be from leder's monologue showing flashbacks of fourside and onett
You can see the tornadoes, also the ground splitting apart is nearly identical to the final game. Based off Tazmily at 5:20 and one of the concept artists revealing the building at 6:10 vaguely resembled Andonut's lab, it seems like the Nowhere Islands just became a place full of knockoff buildings from Earthbound.
i’ve never seen the later claus one where’d you find it?
its on motherforever.net at the promotional images and concept area of the EarthBound 64 section
0:58 OMG Claus is Ness
(jk)
I feel like mother 3’s story stayed relatively the same (I haven’t played a lot of mother 3, so I might be wrong)
some things either got cut as development progressed or to streamline things as it was a handheld games but many screenshots mirror chapter 1 and 2 story beats. we even have Flint as he’s about to lash out with the firewood. Shogo Sakai also admitted to reusing many of the compositions he made for M364 originally on the transition to the GBA, there were plenty of new ones still like the Love Theme motif not even being a thing till late 2005 with the Pigmask theme and Beta Tazmily seemingly being the games main motifs before then with how many tracks outside of seemingly fitting situations use them