I wanna see a special edition 250f shootout for the brands that don't have a special edition, include them, and add the equivalent of the price difference to the others
funny - yamaha signs off and triumph makes power to the limiter. Ride impressions are always backwards. Pulls long wont hit limiter = slower near limiter. Pulls to limiter fast = more power near limiter.
@@amikhael5135 lol let me guess… Honda or Kawasaki guy? Newsflash, consumers and media all round the world rate the Yamaha highly and dyno curves rarely mean shit when it comes to ride feel.
@@Mockle07 how do you know ? Sorry buddy but my last bike was a 1991. 🤣. I could agree with you about the curve as power "feeling" depend also a lot of transmission. You are right i never said that they rate it as a bad bike ! I only say that swap (same last years and same for the 450) rated it as a bike well above the other almost in another class. This for me feel a little bit biased like a so famous fantastic vaccine....🤐
@@stephenadams5223 So Yamaha simply buy test wins around the world? 🤦🏼♂️😂 Let me guess, when your favourite brand wins, it’s because it’s the best though… yeah? 🙄
@@Mockle07 yes exactly. theres not that many major moto review channels, so its not as hard as youd thing. Especially for a multibillion dollar corporation like yamaha. The investment costs to buy them out is far less than the return they receive in sales.
I am buying a new 250 for 2025 and looks like my choice will be Green !!! Triumph would be nice but I am concerned with parts etc - and the yamaha is way too loud - great test !!!!
Always been looking forward to the new years bikes since about 1992. Reading Dirtbike mag and Transworld Motocross mag. Today I have a Suzuki, I love Kawasaki, I'm a massive Lawrence fan, but the Yamahas have always stood out as amazing bikes. Always innovating. Brakes have always been awesome. Always awesome power. Always a great all round bike. Even when they tried crazy things like a reversed cylinder head, or the 4 speed trans, they were still badass.
Hey Don, thanks for all your shootouts. They have always helped me pick a bike. With that being said, l was wondering for next year’s shootout, if you could include the RM-Z250 (which will probably still be the same), but under this condition. So, we all know the bike hasn’t had any major update since 2019. Now, since SUZUKIs can be bought usually at a cheaper price (whatever that may be, $2K-3K), why not use that difference in price compare to the most expensive 250 -excluding factory editions, and use that money to mod it up (suspension, motor) that way you could compare the modded RM-Z250 to the current bikes from all manufacturers. I’m a HONDA and YAMAHA rider, but I always wanted to own a SUZUKI for its handling prowess. Anyway, just a thought..
Great review Yamaha questions, Did you think the mapping had changed out the box compared to the 2024? Yamaha hasn’t said anything has changed but…. For the suspension changes, what were the thoughts of the changes compared to the 2024?
I have a 2025 and I have ridden a 24 , the maps out the box feel more torquey. When I ride the bike it’s always revved out no matter the gear. The suspension feels more plush and response a bit better too. The foot peg mounts are also a little more out so you aren’t standing on the mounts like last years bike.
Too bad those Yamaha don’t last longer than 30 - 40 hours without needing a engine rebuild. Just this week buddy of mine had his crank lock up at 32hrs and the guy helping us pull the motor off had his brand new yz250f nuke on him with only 18hrs on it. Stupid power for a 250 but at a reliability cost not to mention it sounds like absolute shit.
Wow that's amazing to hear, yamahas are the most reliable bikes normally, that's a really bad luck I guess, I have a 2021 yamaha 250 with 270 hours on it, and I have never had any issues at all, I haven't even check the valve clearance and the thing runs like the first day.
@christophervillarreal8565 lol 😆 😂 I would buy a stationary bike, but how can I ride it on the track and on the mountains, since you're giving me advice I'm sure you know how to do it, what's your secret?
@@matiasmaldonado510 no point in going out to the track and to the mountains if you can’t go fast enough to justify it might as well stay at home and peddle the stationary 😂 if you let a bike idle and nothing else I’m sure it will make it to 200 hours without a top end change which is basically what you’ve been doing 😂
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the ‘bottom end’ on these yams is down on the dynos than a lot of other bikes so it can only be about feel and sound, it ain’t actually hitting harder if it’s like 3/4fltb down on the Austrians and triumph off the bottom and all the way up, I rode a 23 with the full ti fmf and hard hitting map it felt so flat and did not pull high what the F, was crazy loud I’ll agree that was before the thicker cam chain taking more edge off, I rode the triumphs 3 times and it revs to the noon it has more rpm and more power than the rest at the top very similar to the ktm how can you possible say it signs of are you crazy. delusional some of these testers
Seems like a biased review here. You work for Yamaha that’s why there’s a yz in your studio/podcast. “Conflict of interest” Would’ve made sense if u put that crf250we in this shootout.
I can see your point, but Yamaha, Kawasaki, Ktm, and Suzuki all supported the SML site. Try again. The CRF250RWE will be compared against the other “edition” bikes from Austria. Same with the 450s.
They DON'T work for Yamaha , Yamaha just so happens to be killing it since they made the big changes in 2023 and 2024 . Swap rarely picked Yamaha BEFORE those big changes . On another note, IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE to put a works edition bike in with non works edition bikes , how on earth does that make sense , comparing totally worked bikes to to bikes that are not special editions C'MON !!!
So, yet again! Another shoot-out without Suzuki. Crazy, why can't anyone be honest that Suzuki is a reliable machine. And they are trying to keep an authentic ride for cheap. Meanwhile, if Suzuki brought the RM 250 stroke back, everyone would be excited to have one.
Hey Allen, the RMZ250 is great. We like it! But as delivered it would have been eighth. We’d rather feature it on its own and highlight how good it can be with some well-targeted mods than point out the fact that it comes with ridiculously over-sprung forks and is out-powered by every other machine. Get it?
I appreciate you're a Suzuki fan boy but you need to accept that they aren't trying to keep a cheap authentic reliable machine. They don't care about you. Pick another manufacturer that does my dude!😂
@@BlackSeasGoldI think the tech stuff is needed for the four strokes. But for the 2 strokes it’s not. I mean a YZ250 is only down 3 horsepower from the KTM. Companies are trying to make 2 strokes less relevant by putting most of their R&D into 4 strokes. Suzuki is gonna only get further behind on the 4 strokes, but the YZ 2 strokes wont, even though engine wise they’ve gone unchanged a lot longer than Suzuki has. It’s not a bad bike, it’s just gonna get further and further behind the competition every year
@@EVH-s5h every year Yamaha are up top last even though the bike Boggs out at standard. Who wants to buy a brand new bike to drill holes into the air box😂
@@Jone5yI know right! Why would you wanna buy a Yamaha and drill a couple holes in it, when you can spend more money for a KTM that’s worse, no drilling required on the KTM. That’s how you sound like right now. You act like people don’t have drills
I wanna see a special edition 250f shootout for the brands that don't have a special edition, include them, and add the equivalent of the price difference to the others
funny - yamaha signs off and triumph makes power to the limiter.
Ride impressions are always backwards. Pulls long wont hit limiter = slower near limiter. Pulls to limiter fast = more power near limiter.
i think this shootout is all BS....dyno power curve of YZF and triumph are far from being the best !
@@amikhael5135 ferry nailed it imho. The actual difference first to last in power is very small.
im not sure what yz they rode lmao but every stock yz250 ive rode has been so dang slow lol
@@amikhael5135 lol let me guess… Honda or Kawasaki guy? Newsflash, consumers and media all round the world rate the Yamaha highly and dyno curves rarely mean shit when it comes to ride feel.
@@Mockle07 how do you know ? Sorry buddy but my last bike was a 1991. 🤣. I could agree with you about the curve as power "feeling" depend also a lot of transmission.
You are right i never said that they rate it as a bad bike ! I only say that swap (same last years and same for the 450) rated it as a bike well above the other almost in another class. This for me feel a little bit biased like a so famous fantastic vaccine....🤐
Chase is getting to good at talking 🥳🔥 This was a great video Swap❤️👍🏽
SCRUB DADDY!!! How's the recovery going? Hope you're feeling better.
Triumph really surprised people .
No surprise! Yz250f rules this class!!
Awesome shootout and info. Rider skill levels would be a good addition.
love these non bias shoot outs. Great info
The boss needs his free yamaha each year..
interesting ....i conclude the opposite. Why do you think it is NB ?
Bro this is paid advertising. The highest bidder wins the shootout each year. Moto is pure politics nowadays
@@stephenadams5223 So Yamaha simply buy test wins around the world? 🤦🏼♂️😂 Let me guess, when your favourite brand wins, it’s because it’s the best though… yeah? 🙄
@@Mockle07 yes exactly. theres not that many major moto review channels, so its not as hard as youd thing. Especially for a multibillion dollar corporation like yamaha. The investment costs to buy them out is far less than the return they receive in sales.
I am buying a new 250 for 2025 and looks like my choice will be Green !!! Triumph would be nice but I am concerned with parts etc - and the yamaha is way too loud - great test !!!!
Always been looking forward to the new years bikes since about 1992. Reading Dirtbike mag and Transworld Motocross mag. Today I have a Suzuki, I love Kawasaki, I'm a massive Lawrence fan, but the Yamahas have always stood out as amazing bikes. Always innovating. Brakes have always been awesome. Always awesome power. Always a great all round bike. Even when they tried crazy things like a reversed cylinder head, or the 4 speed trans, they were still badass.
Did they make an ECU updates to that Yamaha cuz I had a 24 and it was a dog I tried every map there was out there.. slow!
I have a 25, I added a Twin Air Power Flow kit, & FMF 4.1 slip on, and when I run the aggressive map, It's got a pretty good hit. It wears me out.
Good to know@@moto-mark988
come on.....swap said last year it was a beast ! 😄
Red dog still rips!
Hey Don, thanks for all your shootouts. They have always helped me pick a bike. With that being said, l was wondering for next year’s shootout, if you could include the RM-Z250 (which will probably still be the same), but under this condition. So, we all know the bike hasn’t had any major update since 2019.
Now, since SUZUKIs can be bought usually at a cheaper price (whatever that may be, $2K-3K), why not use that difference in price compare to the most expensive 250 -excluding factory editions, and use that money to mod it up (suspension, motor) that way you could compare the modded RM-Z250 to the current bikes from all manufacturers. I’m a HONDA and YAMAHA rider, but I always wanted to own a SUZUKI for its handling prowess. Anyway, just a thought..
Man - no real Honda love - I’m surprised!
Great review
Yamaha questions, Did you think the mapping had changed out the box compared to the 2024? Yamaha hasn’t said anything has changed but….
For the suspension changes, what were the thoughts of the changes compared to the 2024?
I have a 2025 and I have ridden a 24 , the maps out the box feel more torquey. When I ride the bike it’s always revved out no matter the gear. The suspension feels more plush and response a bit better too. The foot peg mounts are also a little more out so you aren’t standing on the mounts like last years bike.
Great editing guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome review, thanks guys 🔥
Gotta take out the backfire screens and run VP add Hinson clutches. Different end result. 😂😂
Ive yet to ride a ktm but i hear good things about em.
What map/maps did you guys run on the yam for this test?
WOW- Triumph has good bottom end?
New mapping on the 2025 bike makes a significant difference
@@swapmotolive. -So you tested a 2025? I thought they were not yet available, and everyone was using the 2024 no?
The 2025 came in a week before our day at Fox
@@swapmotolive. - oh sheeeet... I gotcha.
Good news, are then available soon, or at least will be this map available for 2024 bikes?( l assume having a get ecu not a big deal)
Great analysis. How about those Triumph number decals though 😂
Are you talking color or numbers? 😂😂😂
Too bad those Yamaha don’t last longer than 30 - 40 hours without needing a engine rebuild. Just this week buddy of mine had his crank lock up at 32hrs and the guy helping us pull the motor off had his brand new yz250f nuke on him with only 18hrs on it. Stupid power for a 250 but at a reliability cost not to mention it sounds like absolute shit.
Wow that's amazing to hear, yamahas are the most reliable bikes normally, that's a really bad luck I guess, I have a 2021 yamaha 250 with 270 hours on it, and I have never had any issues at all, I haven't even check the valve clearance and the thing runs like the first day.
@@matiasmaldonado510 I mean if you’re that slow you haven’t changed the top end on it in 270 hours then just sell the bike and ride a stationary Jesus
@christophervillarreal8565 lol 😆 😂 I would buy a stationary bike, but how can I ride it on the track and on the mountains, since you're giving me advice I'm sure you know how to do it, what's your secret?
@@matiasmaldonado510 no point in going out to the track and to the mountains if you can’t go fast enough to justify it might as well stay at home and peddle the stationary 😂 if you let a bike idle and nothing else I’m sure it will make it to 200 hours without a top end change which is basically what you’ve been doing 😂
@@christophervillarreal8565 😂🤣😂
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the ‘bottom end’ on these yams is down on the dynos than a lot of other bikes so it can only be about feel and sound, it ain’t actually hitting harder if it’s like 3/4fltb down on the Austrians and triumph off the bottom and all the way up, I rode a 23 with the full ti fmf and hard hitting map it felt so flat and did not pull high what the F, was crazy loud I’ll agree that was before the thicker cam chain taking more edge off, I rode the triumphs 3 times and it revs to the noon it has more rpm and more power than the rest at the top very similar to the ktm how can you possible say it signs of are you crazy. delusional some of these testers
No Suzuki in line- up? Disrespect Or just not worthy?
the honda would be dope with a cr5 motor in it
I have a 22 yz250f and its a beast, buddy of mine has the 22 kx tho, and it fuckin rips, yz suspension is better tho
Man Suzuki didn't even submit a bike
Triumph 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Also can u guys teach the dude how to say yaamaha right
Yammerhar!
Is Suzuki done. They shoulda hired Bob Hannah To get them outta this slump again
Guy's the music is so loud you can barely hear the guys talking
Damn Timmy still rips
Thank you for not including the RMZ 250.
whats wrong with it? genuinely curious
Waste of resources, everyone already knows the outcome of the out dated banana bike @@michaelbongiorno1506
@@michaelbongiorno1506there’s no point in having it, it’s been the same since 2018
Where is Suzuki??!!!
People didn't waste their time testing them because they haven't made any changes and have been last many many years straight.
Stuck in 2019
Seems like a biased review here. You work for Yamaha that’s why there’s a yz in your studio/podcast. “Conflict of interest” Would’ve made sense if u put that crf250we in this shootout.
I can see your point, but Yamaha, Kawasaki, Ktm, and Suzuki all supported the SML site. Try again. The CRF250RWE will be compared against the other “edition” bikes from Austria. Same with the 450s.
They DON'T work for Yamaha , Yamaha just so happens to be killing it since they made the big changes in 2023 and 2024 . Swap rarely picked Yamaha BEFORE those big changes . On another note, IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE to put a works edition bike in with non works edition bikes , how on earth does that make sense , comparing totally worked bikes to to bikes that are not special editions C'MON !!!
@@swapmotolive. Sweet! Looking fwd to that one.
@@EVH-s5h if I’m buying a bike I want the best bike. Puttem all out there. Now get out your feelings boy!
@@Bruhman514 What an idiot
So, yet again! Another shoot-out without Suzuki. Crazy, why can't anyone be honest that Suzuki is a reliable machine. And they are trying to keep an authentic ride for cheap. Meanwhile, if Suzuki brought the RM 250 stroke back, everyone would be excited to have one.
Hey Allen, the RMZ250 is great. We like it! But as delivered it would have been eighth. We’d rather feature it on its own and highlight how good it can be with some well-targeted mods than point out the fact that it comes with ridiculously over-sprung forks and is out-powered by every other machine. Get it?
@@swapmotolive.Thank you, for the response. And being honest.
Suzuki, so reliable it didn't even show up.
I appreciate you're a Suzuki fan boy but you need to accept that they aren't trying to keep a cheap authentic reliable machine. They don't care about you. Pick another manufacturer that does my dude!😂
@@7thirtyseven Yes reliably slow.
Rmz is the best.
RMZ was one of the best 20 years ago, not anymore
@@NathanRoberts-d4ostill one of the best. Doesn’t need all the tech crap. Has good suspension good ergos and handling is great.
@@BlackSeasGoldI think the tech stuff is needed for the four strokes. But for the 2 strokes it’s not. I mean a YZ250 is only down 3 horsepower from the KTM. Companies are trying to make 2 strokes less relevant by putting most of their R&D into 4 strokes. Suzuki is gonna only get further behind on the 4 strokes, but the YZ 2 strokes wont, even though engine wise they’ve gone unchanged a lot longer than Suzuki has. It’s not a bad bike, it’s just gonna get further and further behind the competition every year
@@NathanRoberts-d4o with a better frame. Get a deal on an rmz throw an ecu with twisted maps a pc pipe and some T4 and it’s a really good bike.
blu cru
This is so bias not a real review just a paid promotion
I can tell your favorite bike didn't place well . Swap moto picked Kawasaki and KTM the most over the years , bet you didn't know that .
Deeerrrrpppppp
@@EVH-s5h every year Yamaha are up top last even though the bike Boggs out at standard. Who wants to buy a brand new bike to drill holes into the air box😂
@@Jone5yI know right! Why would you wanna buy a Yamaha and drill a couple holes in it, when you can spend more money for a KTM that’s worse, no drilling required on the KTM. That’s how you sound like right now. You act like people don’t have drills