Little mistake on my end! Windgnashers tend to have more of a icy blast attack. We don't see them use their fire power in the films, so the only reference we do have are the games, where they have the blast! (doesn't change their positioning in the video) I glossed over the firepower quite a bit as it wasn't to relveant to the dragons beeing Tracker, but thats not excuse for sloppy research. May bad :) Thanks to people for leting me know!
Deadly nadders are actually in both classes and who said nadders ain’t also sharp I mean sharp class symbols is a deadly nadder and the deadly nadders fire helped on the dragon eye to show sharp class dragons
I’m not even joking when I say that during the height of my httyd obsession I redid the entire classification system for all the dragons because I was so mad that they didn’t make any sense lmao. So seeing someone with similar opinions and complaints makes me way happier than it probably should….
I was the same xd. I had notebook that served as book of dragons to me and i changed some dragon classes, created my own dragons, made maps like Hiccup in the second movie and stuff like that. Yeah and i deleted tracker class because it didn't make sence to me that their only characteristic was that they are good hunters.
i mean i think it works, you know why? because back in the viking area they had STUPID classification systems, so it makes sense for the vikings to miss clasify these dragons.
@@NewOrca heck once I wrote down my information on every Httyd at the time and I made Nadders Tracker and Sharp class, I did similar things with other dragons changing their class if the one they had didn’t fit them
I would love to, but I'm thinking about I need to get them out. My last hour long video took 3 months to make. we'll see what happens :) (knowing me I'll get carried away with the writing)
Personally, I think the Tracker class itself is absolutely meaningless, with the criteria for it being way too vague, and the fact they tossed the Deadly Nadder in there who is meant to be the poster-child of the Sharp class is just downright stupid.
That really makes sense if they are called thunderclaw if not they should be called stalkclaw or something that does not involve thunder cause it doesn’t really make sense but since I’m not the devs I respect their decision
I think the best answer is to keep the original class system as shown from the first movie, to classify based on their biology, habitat and hunting strategy, and add a secondary class system based on what they are good at as tamed dragons, like tracking. The secondary classes would be a lot like how dogs are classified based on their old jobs they were bred for like herding, hunting, and companion dogs. Or with race horses vs work horses.
I think the reason why there's so much inconsistency and controversy over dragon classes, is that the bulk of the HTTYD franchise takes place when the old system of classifying dragons like military threats had just become obsolete, and needed to be supplanted by a new one based on their natural behaviors and potential usefulness, same as dogs or horses. The old categories were all about what a Viking most needed to *beware* about a particular dragon - don't let a Sharp stick you; don't let a Stoker roast you; watch the seas for Tidals; watch the skies for Strikes; beware Boulders, they're real tanks; beware Fears, they're real freaky - rather than anything relevant to how the dragon, itself, survives or behaves or is adapted to its environment. In the wake of the first film, that manner of categorization was no longer appropriate, and its terminology came to feel overly antagonistic toward Berk's new dragon friends {coff... Fear ... coff coff}, so its usage became increasingly dated and impractical. The Tracker and Mystery classes might, had the dragons stayed around long enough, have become incorporated into a whole new classification system, based on utility and natural affinities rather than threat capacity. Tidal and Boulder might have stuck around, as they actually tell you something about how the dragons in those classes *live*, not just how they might try to kill you. But the Sharp, Stoker, and Strike classes would probably have been broken up, and new categories - one for aerial agility and long-range flight capacities, perhaps, as well as something related to pack/swarm/colony social habits - would have emerged. But with only a handful of years of human/dragon cooperative living and non-hostile wildlife research into the various dragon species, and with the lead characters' frequent reference to the Dragon Eye - a relic based on the *old* system's classes, that necessarily perpetuated them thinking in those terms - for a big portion of that time, Fishlegs and Hiccup never really got the chance to formalize a new system. Bummer.
Getting rid of the fear class and replacing it with the Tracker Class is the dumbest thing to ever happen to the HTTYD series before it ended Especially in the sense of which dragons were moved as a result. - The Deadly Nadder is the FLAGSHIP of Sharp Class Dragons. I don't care how many games of fetch you play with Stormfly, that change is stupid. - The Hideous Zippleback is the FLAGSHIP of the FEAR Class. Being in the mystery class makes no sense, especially when we already know how the Zippleback works. gas + spark = BOOM. And no, having 2 heads does not justify being a mystery class. - The Snaptrapper should stay in the fear class as it's just a zippleback on steroids If you want to make the bullcrap excuse of the Fear class disappearing because the Vikings are no longer scared of the dragons due to training them. JUST BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO TRAIN A DRAGON DOES NOT JUSTIFY NOT BEING SCARED OF ONE, ESPECIALLY MORE DANGEROUS DRAGONS LIKE THE FLIGHTMARE, SPEED STINGER, AND WHISPERING DEATH. And hell, just have the frickin Rumblehorn be the flagship of the Tracker Class, as that's the dragon that prompted Hiccup to make a tracker class.
look , I think mystery class is like the "where the feck is this going to go?" "eh mystery , it fits no other class" , so its basically a left over if it cant fit anywhere else , yeet it into mystery
@GorjiraFan-in9oo I agree. And these dragons would fit perfectly with fear class. 1. hideous zippleback 2. Snaptrapper 3. Slither wing 4. Night terror 5. Flightmare (even though it’s a mystery class it was originally part of the fear class
If any one knows one of the dragons in hidden world is tracker A rock eating hard shelled squat crystal horned lava spewing dragon called a gem breaker is a tracker class because it has good hearing
This was just a huge knowledge dump and I love it! And I see where you’re getting it with moldruffle I always thought it was a stoker class never a tracker class dragon anyway this video was incredible! Keep up the spectacular work!
Hi NewOrca, I've been watching your videos for quite some time now. There's nothing like these videos on UA-cam! Thank you for being such a good source of Httyd content on UA-cam! :) I really love that you go more into depth about what the actual dragons are like and the different dragon classes. And your humour and style in cutting is really funny too! :D
Can't wait for you to talk about the stoker class and how they are supposed to be the best with fire but they are the only ones who can 'run out' of fire like????
I'm still more than a little annoyed that Nadder got randomly re-classed as a tracker in like.. the THIRD movie.. For the longest time, there was no indication of a Nadder having a particularly noteworthy sense of smell. I'd say it's safe to say that it's quite similar to most non-Tracker class dragon senses of smell (ignoring the third movie entirely for now because I'm not done complaining about inconsistency.) It doesn't make sense for it to still be the symbol of Sharp class if it's now Tracker class, further throwing a wrench in these issues it has. And finally, if Nadders were as good at smelling as they've been alleged to be, why was Stormfly struggling to find the trainees in the maze Gobber set up in the very first movie? If she were truly a Tracker, it would've been easy for her to pinpoint their location and rush over, then keep tracking them if they moved until she eventually overwhelmed them. But no, she had to be _smart_ and cheat the maze to find anyone, of her own ability at least, I don't count smelling/hearing the Twins at point blank. And that's another thing, how did she NOT know the Twins were right in front of her (until they started making noise)? Are they saying that a Nadder can't recognize prey unless they've seen it first? Point-blank, she knows what Vikings smell like, the scent would be at its most powerful, so why in the world would she have _not_ attacked at that point?
Even the School of Dragons game had mudraker as a tidal class originally, but for some reason its tracker now? I wouldn’t blame them either for thinking it was a tidal class. I mean.. look at it!
I love the idea of the tracker class, and it conceptually makes sense, it’s weakness just comes from being established so late in the franchise. Like you said, there is a lot of class overlap with tracker and the others, because it was added after all of the other classes which already included dragons with sensory abilities. If it had been created at the start then it could carve out a more firm set of characteristics, Night Furies wouldn’t get echolocation and Tracker would get to distinguish itself from the others. I also think the pain of this class is brought on by fundamental issues with the class system, which is kinda arbitrary. It’s based on “abilities” held by dragons, which is very loose but admittedly fitting for the shows time period. But the traits of each class just don’t make sense. Tidal class dragons aren’t distinguished for their abilities, but their habitat. So we’ve already broken the system Sharp class is defined by “spikes”, which is similarly a trait that most dragons have. The wiki mentions them all having venom but that blatantly isn’t true, Timberjacks, Hackatoo, and Eggbiters are all sharp class and they have no semblance of venom. And if venom was a defining trait, then why are Slitherwings mystery? The other trait of sharp is “vainness”, which is a anthropomorphic trait that non-human animals can’t comprehend (plenty of animals preen and clean themselves, but that isn’t because they’re vain). Stoker class dragons are distinguished for their fire, something that most dragons have. Stokers are just “more fiery” i guess, but that’s totally subjective. Nadder’s have the hottest fire of any dragon, why aren’t they Stoker? And don’t get me started on Strike and Mystery TLDR: Tracker Class doesn’t work, but that isn’t its fault. It was added too late into an already miserably flawed system
You really said the Snifflehunch is non unique, then wrote a whole theoretical essay about how it could be one of the most survivable dragons with an incredibly versatile ability
9:49 its been a while since I've seen riders/defenders of berk but i think he was riding her because due to some (at the time) undiscovered dragon root, Hookfang and Stormfly kept fighting so Astrid and Snotlout swapped dragons
I feel like for some dragons, they would either be moved to a different class or have two types of classes, like Pokémon that have two types (i.e. Grass/Poison, Fire/Flying, Normal/Psychic).
Apparently the reason the Submaripper is a Tracker Class is because they can detect small vibrations in the water to hunt for prey. However, like you said for the Mudraker, it makes for sense still for a Tracker.
"[The Windgnasher's] firepower is shooting small round balls of fire." I'm afraid that's incorrect. The Windgnasher is an ice dragon, its firepower being an icy blizzard blast. Its firepower was never seen in the films, but its frosty breath has been detailed in the games 'Dragons: Rise of Berk' and 'Dragons: Titan Uprising'. Not sure why the wiki steered you wrong here, guess it needs some correcting.
If i'm not mistaken Toothless is actually also a good tracker since he can throw some plasma waves and it's like an echo location. Not sure what is that all i know is him hiccup were being chased and toothless used that to escape.
Toothless can use a form of echolocation like bats, sending sound waves out that bounce back to the user, enabling to navigate in areas where they cant see well.
I love this series and cant wait for more but dont feel pressured to make these vidoes at a set time frame and it would be fine to have the bigger classes like mystery to be multiple parts
In Crushing It, Skullcrusher detected the earthquake which caused the tsunami. Rumblehorns are sensitive to vibrations, which is how Skullcrusher also knew when the riders where tracking him
12:17 Something I’d mind is, knowing from the playing it since launch, outside of certain necessary points, both Rise of Berk and School of Dragons make no sense of canon beyond the first movie what so ever, so I’d say it’s not best to trust them alone. However, since these are really the only sources, I’d say the best guide would be School of Dragons since in comparison to the other game it has more room for explanation of species in the game, plus as seen with varying cases such as the terrible terror, the Stoker class is often used as a mix of Stoker and “all-rounders” as some said to be in it, such as the two species, don’t inherently have distinctive skills or traits which appoint them to a specific class.
The mystery class is what used to be fear class (changed after vikings stopped fearing dragons) and is useed for dragons that do not fit into the other catagories, and dont have enough dragons with similar characteristics for a class to be made. The tracker class was made after they discovered enough dragons that had an insane sense of smell and an amazing ability to track there prey.
Deadly Nadder is my second-favourite dragon in HTTYD after the Night Fury (obviously). I mean come on, they are basically big scaly birbs, and they like being stroked and cuddled with! Just look at Stormfly, she's so precious!
The reason why the summer ripper actually a tracker is because of its sense of vibrations he has shown in the show that is very good at picking up and we'll actually react high levels of intelligence and also able to tell friend from foe based on instinct
16:47 night furies are supposed to use their echolocation to get around, this dragon uses their echolocation to find prey, that would mean he is tracking.
I'm about halfway through the video, and tbh I was expecting this video be all about insulting HTTYD. But I'm actually really impressed and happy about this, thank you for not absolutely trashing HTTYD but making it better!!
I've finished it, and I think the Submaripper is able to detect disturbances in the water, it being so large I think it would have that sensory organ in it's skin and or able to use echolocation similar to whales. It's skin would also be sensitive to disturbances like when hiccup swam close to it, I was kinda surprised it had noticed him that quickly, and his presence waking him up.
2:52 The rumblehorn probably detected the tsunami the way elephants do. Elephants can sense the vibrations deep down in the earth. Therefore, they know beforehand, even before our sensors know, when an earthquake is coming. Tsunami’s also emit vibrations. When a constant vibration is coming from the ocean, that’s a tsunami and the elephants know when to run and hide. Elephants aren’t the only animals that can do this, but since rumble horns and elephants are the same size, I am guessing they are taken inspiration from.
I think it's sense of smell is also used, it can probably smell the changes in the atmosphere and the water/salt content in the air to figure it out, they're not said to use their feet for anything like sensing vibrations..it could be just never exactly stated they have that ability!
I'd assume that the submaripper was added due to these key details about it, one in the episode where the riders went to see what was up the submaripper seemed to be aware there was a lot of dragons in the area, and yes the scaldron I think is how its pronounced was in the area at the same time but even after it escaped the submaripper continued to use its ability to pull the riders in, although I do also think its a heavy sleeper, bro was sleeping like a rock when they came in the second time and only woke when rocks were flung at it, it also probably had similar sense receptors to the mudrakers, just a lot more, which gave it the ability to notice boats and dragons moving on top of the water from the floor, and considering its size it might have had to be a pretty deep area
there are only two little bits of information I would include. there is a snifflehunch subspecies called the sneezlehunch which sneezes ice instead. not anything defining but a cool detail and the rockstomper/moldruffle can use its horns like a divining rod to find water and probably have a tracking ability like squirrels as they bury things. both are still where you placed them and aside from windgnashers and rumblehorns you could argue every other tracker class could be in some other class instead.
New Tracker class description: This is the second most intelligent class of dragons known to be the friendliest of all, with a strong sense of smell and/or keen eyesight
From the looks of it, the submaripper doesn’t even hunt, it looks like a sit and wait predator, waiting for prey to come by before sucking them down with a whirlpool. Edit: i haven’t watched a lot of the shows, and looking back it seems like that submaripper was actually chained in place, so maybe i’m wrong. But the fact that it was able to perform that “hunting” strategy says to me that the whole waiting at the bottom of the ocean thing is something they do regularly. I doubt they just improvised that after being trapped
15:24 man im torn like, in my dumb brain technically camping could be a "tracker" in a vague sense? anglers, ambush predators n the like, not scanning large areas but has a really good understanding/hold on their range? but on the other end, its such a localized area but tracking implies following a target of interest
i didnt think the designers do this but all these dragons look like they are part of the same evolutionary family. Some of them look like very close relatives too
It might be that nadders are labeled as trackers because that trait is more important to a rider than the sharp spines. Being able to track people or animals would be much more important for a village of people. Thus at first, when it was an enemy, it would be sharp because that's what a person fighting one would need to know, but as the village changed from hunters to riders of dragons and grew to understand the dragon's better, it became tracker.
Can you please tell me what are the names of these dragons in the movie? 1. The dragon Hiccup distracted with the flaming blade when he landed in the colony of dragons after captured by Valka in HTTYD2. 2. The blue dragons that appear in HTTYD 2 AND 3. You can mainly see them during the introduction of Berk in HTTYD when the vikings cross the road of dragons. 3. Drago’s dragons
Little mistake on my end! Windgnashers tend to have more of a icy blast attack. We don't see them use their fire power in the films, so the only reference we do have are the games, where they have the blast! (doesn't change their positioning in the video)
I glossed over the firepower quite a bit as it wasn't to relveant to the dragons beeing Tracker, but thats not excuse for sloppy research. May bad :) Thanks to people for leting me know!
Can't wait for Fear and mystery class
Deadly nadders are actually in both classes and who said nadders ain’t also sharp I mean sharp class symbols is a deadly nadder and the deadly nadders fire helped on the dragon eye to show sharp class dragons
I’m not even joking when I say that during the height of my httyd obsession I redid the entire classification system for all the dragons because I was so mad that they didn’t make any sense lmao. So seeing someone with similar opinions and complaints makes me way happier than it probably should….
so i wasnt the only one that was stupidly opsessed with httyd a few years ago
I was the same xd. I had notebook that served as book of dragons to me and i changed some dragon classes, created my own dragons, made maps like Hiccup in the second movie and stuff like that. Yeah and i deleted tracker class because it didn't make sence to me that their only characteristic was that they are good hunters.
i mean i think it works, you know why? because back in the viking area they had STUPID classification systems, so it makes sense for the vikings to miss clasify these dragons.
Where is it if I may ask? It'd be neat to see it if you still have it.
I never stopped being obsessed. Other obsessions were just added to me.
Personally I think Nadders should be both Tracker and Sharp class cause who says dragons can only have one class
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@@NewOrca heck once I wrote down my information on every Httyd at the time and I made Nadders Tracker and Sharp class, I did similar things with other dragons changing their class if the one they had didn’t fit them
i get confused in what class they are in, jusg mane them both
Exactly! Nadders are literally the definition of sharp class
Yo it should be like Pokemon with two types!
Personally I’m 100% ok with like a 45+ min episode or a 2 part special for the mystery class instead of making the segments shorter.
AGREED
I need more hour-long+ videos about HTTYD, and a specific class would be ✨✨✨
I would love to, but I'm thinking about I need to get them out. My last hour long video took 3 months to make. we'll see what happens :) (knowing me I'll get carried away with the writing)
Personally, I think the Tracker class itself is absolutely meaningless, with the criteria for it being way too vague, and the fact they tossed the Deadly Nadder in there who is meant to be the poster-child of the Sharp class is just downright stupid.
Didn’t tracker class replace sharp or am I dumb?
@@XJ3ST3R
No, it's the Fear class that got scrapped.
@@peternagy6847 ohh
I think it would've been cool if the THUNDERclaw had electrosense like a platypus
YES
That really makes sense if they are called thunderclaw if not they should be called stalkclaw or something that does not involve thunder cause it doesn’t really make sense but since I’m not the devs I respect their decision
A thunderclaw?
PERRY THE THUNDERCLAW??
(Had to, but you’re right, that would be super cool and honestly it would be super fitting)
I think the best answer is to keep the original class system as shown from the first movie, to classify based on their biology, habitat and hunting strategy, and add a secondary class system based on what they are good at as tamed dragons, like tracking. The secondary classes would be a lot like how dogs are classified based on their old jobs they were bred for like herding, hunting, and companion dogs. Or with race horses vs work horses.
That is a pretty good idea
I think the reason why there's so much inconsistency and controversy over dragon classes, is that the bulk of the HTTYD franchise takes place when the old system of classifying dragons like military threats had just become obsolete, and needed to be supplanted by a new one based on their natural behaviors and potential usefulness, same as dogs or horses.
The old categories were all about what a Viking most needed to *beware* about a particular dragon - don't let a Sharp stick you; don't let a Stoker roast you; watch the seas for Tidals; watch the skies for Strikes; beware Boulders, they're real tanks; beware Fears, they're real freaky - rather than anything relevant to how the dragon, itself, survives or behaves or is adapted to its environment. In the wake of the first film, that manner of categorization was no longer appropriate, and its terminology came to feel overly antagonistic toward Berk's new dragon friends {coff... Fear ... coff coff}, so its usage became increasingly dated and impractical.
The Tracker and Mystery classes might, had the dragons stayed around long enough, have become incorporated into a whole new classification system, based on utility and natural affinities rather than threat capacity. Tidal and Boulder might have stuck around, as they actually tell you something about how the dragons in those classes *live*, not just how they might try to kill you. But the Sharp, Stoker, and Strike classes would probably have been broken up, and new categories - one for aerial agility and long-range flight capacities, perhaps, as well as something related to pack/swarm/colony social habits - would have emerged.
But with only a handful of years of human/dragon cooperative living and non-hostile wildlife research into the various dragon species, and with the lead characters' frequent reference to the Dragon Eye - a relic based on the *old* system's classes, that necessarily perpetuated them thinking in those terms - for a big portion of that time, Fishlegs and Hiccup never really got the chance to formalize a new system. Bummer.
Getting rid of the fear class and replacing it with the Tracker Class is the dumbest thing to ever happen to the HTTYD series before it ended
Especially in the sense of which dragons were moved as a result.
- The Deadly Nadder is the FLAGSHIP of Sharp Class Dragons. I don't care how many games of fetch you play with Stormfly, that change is stupid.
- The Hideous Zippleback is the FLAGSHIP of the FEAR Class. Being in the mystery class makes no sense, especially when we already know how the Zippleback works. gas + spark = BOOM. And no, having 2 heads does not justify being a mystery class.
- The Snaptrapper should stay in the fear class as it's just a zippleback on steroids
If you want to make the bullcrap excuse of the Fear class disappearing because the Vikings are no longer scared of the dragons due to training them.
JUST BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO TRAIN A DRAGON DOES NOT JUSTIFY NOT BEING SCARED OF ONE, ESPECIALLY MORE DANGEROUS DRAGONS LIKE THE FLIGHTMARE, SPEED STINGER, AND WHISPERING DEATH.
And hell, just have the frickin Rumblehorn be the flagship of the Tracker Class, as that's the dragon that prompted Hiccup to make a tracker class.
I agree
I strongly disagree
look , I think mystery class is like the "where the feck is this going to go?" "eh mystery , it fits no other class" , so its basically a left over if it cant fit anywhere else , yeet it into mystery
@@FlintsForge6931 FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT
@GorjiraFan-in9oo I agree. And these dragons would fit perfectly with fear class.
1. hideous zippleback
2. Snaptrapper
3. Slither wing
4. Night terror
5. Flightmare (even though it’s a mystery class it was originally part of the fear class
I don’t know why but I love the Snifflehunch. Just something about it made it my second favourite dragon right behind the Hobblegrunt.
Yeah snifflehunch is one the cutest dragons ever
I started liking it because the name
But it is way more op than it seems
the hobblegrunt is my second favorite dragon :))
Honestly I don’t even think the tracker class needs to exist it’s more of a sub class then a full blown one in my opinion
Yeh, it needs a little more work
I think it would make sense if dragons weren't limited to one class. Like deadly nadders would be classified as Sharp-Trackers.
I'm glad that this series is back and this video was pretty great.
you should do a theory on how all the dragons live in peace in the hidden world like screaming death and huge tidal dragons and skrill
If any one knows one of the dragons in hidden world is tracker
A rock eating hard shelled squat crystal horned lava spewing dragon called a gem breaker is a tracker class because it has good hearing
This was just a huge knowledge dump and I love it! And I see where you’re getting it with moldruffle I always thought it was a stoker class never a tracker class dragon anyway this video was incredible! Keep up the spectacular work!
Hi NewOrca,
I've been watching your videos for quite some time now. There's nothing like these videos on UA-cam! Thank you for being such a good source of Httyd content on UA-cam! :)
I really love that you go more into depth about what the actual dragons are like and the different dragon classes.
And your humour and style in cutting is really funny too! :D
Thank you!
The Deadly Nadder is the perfect example of my cross-class theory. It is equally a Sharp Class as it is a Tracker Class dragon.
9:08 This is why I think dragons should have multiple classes
Can't wait for you to talk about the stoker class and how they are supposed to be the best with fire but they are the only ones who can 'run out' of fire like????
I'm still more than a little annoyed that Nadder got randomly re-classed as a tracker in like.. the THIRD movie..
For the longest time, there was no indication of a Nadder having a particularly noteworthy sense of smell. I'd say it's safe to say that it's quite similar to most non-Tracker class dragon senses of smell (ignoring the third movie entirely for now because I'm not done complaining about inconsistency.)
It doesn't make sense for it to still be the symbol of Sharp class if it's now Tracker class, further throwing a wrench in these issues it has.
And finally, if Nadders were as good at smelling as they've been alleged to be, why was Stormfly struggling to find the trainees in the maze Gobber set up in the very first movie? If she were truly a Tracker, it would've been easy for her to pinpoint their location and rush over, then keep tracking them if they moved until she eventually overwhelmed them. But no, she had to be _smart_ and cheat the maze to find anyone, of her own ability at least, I don't count smelling/hearing the Twins at point blank. And that's another thing, how did she NOT know the Twins were right in front of her (until they started making noise)? Are they saying that a Nadder can't recognize prey unless they've seen it first? Point-blank, she knows what Vikings smell like, the scent would be at its most powerful, so why in the world would she have _not_ attacked at that point?
I love that a trait of the tracker class is that most of them are really bulky and tank-like without resembling the boulder class too much
Nice work man can’t wait to see ones for the rest of the classes
Even the School of Dragons game had mudraker as a tidal class originally, but for some reason its tracker now? I wouldn’t blame them either for thinking it was a tidal class. I mean.. look at it!
To be fair when the Moldruffle initially released it said that was tidal as well.
I love the idea of the tracker class, and it conceptually makes sense, it’s weakness just comes from being established so late in the franchise. Like you said, there is a lot of class overlap with tracker and the others, because it was added after all of the other classes which already included dragons with sensory abilities. If it had been created at the start then it could carve out a more firm set of characteristics, Night Furies wouldn’t get echolocation and Tracker would get to distinguish itself from the others.
I also think the pain of this class is brought on by fundamental issues with the class system, which is kinda arbitrary. It’s based on “abilities” held by dragons, which is very loose but admittedly fitting for the shows time period. But the traits of each class just don’t make sense.
Tidal class dragons aren’t distinguished for their abilities, but their habitat. So we’ve already broken the system
Sharp class is defined by “spikes”, which is similarly a trait that most dragons have. The wiki mentions them all having venom but that blatantly isn’t true, Timberjacks, Hackatoo, and Eggbiters are all sharp class and they have no semblance of venom. And if venom was a defining trait, then why are Slitherwings mystery? The other trait of sharp is “vainness”, which is a anthropomorphic trait that non-human animals can’t comprehend (plenty of animals preen and clean themselves, but that isn’t because they’re vain).
Stoker class dragons are distinguished for their fire, something that most dragons have. Stokers are just “more fiery” i guess, but that’s totally subjective. Nadder’s have the hottest fire of any dragon, why aren’t they Stoker?
And don’t get me started on Strike and Mystery
TLDR: Tracker Class doesn’t work, but that isn’t its fault. It was added too late into an already miserably flawed system
You really said the Snifflehunch is non unique, then wrote a whole theoretical essay about how it could be one of the most survivable dragons with an incredibly versatile ability
Very good job and please do the last classes because I find the dragon is interesting and be safe out there and Ty 😊❤
love this series this is the reason why i subbed to you and i’m really glad that your continuing it
Yeh! I want to others like all the fire type explained and looking at specific dragons origins and abilities
9:49
its been a while since I've seen riders/defenders of berk but i think he was riding her because due to some (at the time) undiscovered dragon root, Hookfang and Stormfly kept fighting so Astrid and Snotlout swapped dragons
love this series keep it up man
Thanks!
You said Submaripper and my immediate reaction was 'hey isn't it Tidal Class though -?'
Maybe lore wise dragons are part of multiple classes at once. For example you could have one that’s both a thunder and fear class.
I feel like for some dragons, they would either be moved to a different class or have two types of classes, like Pokémon that have two types (i.e. Grass/Poison, Fire/Flying, Normal/Psychic).
Could you do sharp next? sorry if you mentioned a specific order somewhere i must have missed it :)
Nah, there's no order :)
Submarippers have a bit of tracking, one could easily sense the vibrating knife when it was dropped into the water in race to the edge.
Apparently the reason the Submaripper is a Tracker Class is because they can detect small vibrations in the water to hunt for prey. However, like you said for the Mudraker, it makes for sense still for a Tracker.
The lockstin like tumbnail made me interested Nd the video made me subscribe good job
I loved the way you changed your voice xD
YEEESS HES BACK AND ANOTHER PHENOMENAL VIDEO LOVE IT SO MUCH AND I CANT WAIT FIR THE NEXT ONE KEEP IT UP!!
Thank you very much 😊
Not gonna lie, this was pretty cool sir...you can tell the hard work you put into your content..thanks for that
Thanks!
2:52 that's very accurate because both were mistaken in being the problems but were the solutions
"[The Windgnasher's] firepower is shooting small round balls of fire." I'm afraid that's incorrect. The Windgnasher is an ice dragon, its firepower being an icy blizzard blast. Its firepower was never seen in the films, but its frosty breath has been detailed in the games 'Dragons: Rise of Berk' and 'Dragons: Titan Uprising'. Not sure why the wiki steered you wrong here, guess it needs some correcting.
Thanks! Yeh completly missed that. I didn't pay to much attention to firepower, as it's not to relvant for the Tracker Class
I really love this!!!! Keep it up (also I for enjoy all the puns haha)
Thank you!
Yesss, Tracker Class is one of my favorites
As someone who LOVED the lockstin series and is constantly hyper fixating on httyd thank you
If i'm not mistaken Toothless is actually also a good tracker since he can throw some plasma waves and it's like an echo location. Not sure what is that all i know is him hiccup were being chased and toothless used that to escape.
Toothless can use a form of echolocation like bats, sending sound waves out that bounce back to the user, enabling to navigate in areas where they cant see well.
This was very entertaining and informative on dragons. Been a long time since I saw some HTTYD content. Very much looking forward to more videos.
I love this series and cant wait for more but dont feel pressured to make these vidoes at a set time frame and it would be fine to have the bigger classes like mystery to be multiple parts
In Crushing It, Skullcrusher detected the earthquake which caused the tsunami. Rumblehorns are sensitive to vibrations, which is how Skullcrusher also knew when the riders where tracking him
The submaripper can sense vibrations in the water to sense anything and everything in the water
The purple thunderclaw is named rumpus rumpus my boy😊
Pls keep up the good work and this whole series
Thank you! Means a lot :)
5:48 My Favourite Part Of the Whole Video XD
12:17 Something I’d mind is, knowing from the playing it since launch, outside of certain necessary points, both Rise of Berk and School of Dragons make no sense of canon beyond the first movie what so ever, so I’d say it’s not best to trust them alone.
However, since these are really the only sources, I’d say the best guide would be School of Dragons since in comparison to the other game it has more room for explanation of species in the game, plus as seen with varying cases such as the terrible terror, the Stoker class is often used as a mix of Stoker and “all-rounders” as some said to be in it, such as the two species, don’t inherently have distinctive skills or traits which appoint them to a specific class.
I love this content, first time here and the jokes caught me so offguard, and I loved it! Great content
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
The mystery class is what used to be fear class (changed after vikings stopped fearing dragons) and is useed for dragons that do not fit into the other catagories, and dont have enough dragons with similar characteristics for a class to be made. The tracker class was made after they discovered enough dragons that had an insane sense of smell and an amazing ability to track there prey.
Deadly Nadder is my second-favourite dragon in HTTYD after the Night Fury (obviously). I mean come on, they are basically big scaly birbs, and they like being stroked and cuddled with! Just look at Stormfly, she's so precious!
THIS DESERVES WAY MORE LIKES
thanks!
Do a video on the science of HTTYD fire types.
Very much plan on doing after the Not Class series
The reason why the summer ripper actually a tracker is because of its sense of vibrations he has shown in the show that is very good at picking up and we'll actually react high levels of intelligence and also able to tell friend from foe based on instinct
are you going to include grapple grounder in the bolder class video?
Most likely, if its on the list I will include it
You did not do a prehistoric park reference 😂
16:47 night furies are supposed to use their echolocation to get around, this dragon uses their echolocation to find prey, that would mean he is tracking.
Still not a strong enough reason. A bunch of tidal class dragons have abilities to track down their prey in the water.
I have been waiting for this
I missed it when the tracker class was once fear class 😢.
I love the prehistoric park reference
this vd was informativeand entertaining. love it
I'm about halfway through the video, and tbh I was expecting this video be all about insulting HTTYD. But I'm actually really impressed and happy about this, thank you for not absolutely trashing HTTYD but making it better!!
I've finished it, and I think the Submaripper is able to detect disturbances in the water, it being so large I think it would have that sensory organ in it's skin and or able to use echolocation similar to whales. It's skin would also be sensitive to disturbances like when hiccup swam close to it, I was kinda surprised it had noticed him that quickly, and his presence waking him up.
I remember when I was a dragons nerd.
God I got to re-watch that movie/ show
I can’t wait for more videos in this series
I'm currently writing the next one XD
@@NewOrca the feeling I just felt was equivalent to the feeling of taking a $1 out of your pocket only to find out it’s actually a $20
2:52 The rumblehorn probably detected the tsunami the way elephants do. Elephants can sense the vibrations deep down in the earth. Therefore, they know beforehand, even before our sensors know, when an earthquake is coming. Tsunami’s also emit vibrations. When a constant vibration is coming from the ocean, that’s a tsunami and the elephants know when to run and hide. Elephants aren’t the only animals that can do this, but since rumble horns and elephants are the same size, I am guessing they are taken inspiration from.
I think it's sense of smell is also used, it can probably smell the changes in the atmosphere and the water/salt content in the air to figure it out, they're not said to use their feet for anything like sensing vibrations..it could be just never exactly stated they have that ability!
Love the edits
Thanks! It's a big part of the video and it feels like it gets underappreciated :)
I'd assume that the submaripper was added due to these key details about it, one in the episode where the riders went to see what was up the submaripper seemed to be aware there was a lot of dragons in the area, and yes the scaldron I think is how its pronounced was in the area at the same time but even after it escaped the submaripper continued to use its ability to pull the riders in, although I do also think its a heavy sleeper, bro was sleeping like a rock when they came in the second time and only woke when rocks were flung at it, it also probably had similar sense receptors to the mudrakers, just a lot more, which gave it the ability to notice boats and dragons moving on top of the water from the floor, and considering its size it might have had to be a pretty deep area
Out of all the parts of the thunderclaw the only thing o thought and said out loud is “no, it’s “num num cookie”, not yum yum cookie” 😂
there are only two little bits of information I would include. there is a snifflehunch subspecies called the sneezlehunch which sneezes ice instead. not anything defining but a cool detail and the rockstomper/moldruffle can use its horns like a divining rod to find water and probably have a tracking ability like squirrels as they bury things. both are still where you placed them and aside from windgnashers and rumblehorns you could argue every other tracker class could be in some other class instead.
that would proabalytt be more approaite for a video on that specific dragon spieces, the fire type isn't to relevant to the reasons why its tracker
true. it is not a big difference in the class system being as theres an ice spitting dragon from 3-4 classes.
New Tracker class description: This is the second most intelligent class of dragons known to be the friendliest of all, with a strong sense of smell and/or keen eyesight
0:52 😆😆 I loved it when that insult was still popular
To be fair, skullcrusher probably knows hiccup’s scent without the helmet, so he would only need the slightest whiff to know what to look for.
Do the other classes please
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I wish some had more Tracker abilities. Like if Nadders could track where their spikes end up to find prey they've wounded.
“Telling them, Pooie stinky that smells, or Yum Yum Cookie”.
-NewOrca 2022
From the looks of it, the submaripper doesn’t even hunt, it looks like a sit and wait predator, waiting for prey to come by before sucking them down with a whirlpool.
Edit: i haven’t watched a lot of the shows, and looking back it seems like that submaripper was actually chained in place, so maybe i’m wrong. But the fact that it was able to perform that “hunting” strategy says to me that the whole waiting at the bottom of the ocean thing is something they do regularly. I doubt they just improvised that after being trapped
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man im torn
like, in my dumb brain technically camping could be a "tracker" in a vague sense?
anglers, ambush predators n the like, not scanning large areas but has a really good understanding/hold on their range?
but on the other end, its such a localized area but tracking implies following a target of interest
i didnt think the designers do this but all these dragons look like they are part of the same evolutionary family. Some of them look like very close relatives too
That's something I'm going to look into 😉
1:21 I didn't know dragons could shoot missiles I thought they shot FIRE BALLS
There’s this guy on TikTok that does a really good Hiccup impression, it would be awesome to hear him narrate one of these types of videos
1:40 what show is that?
Prehistoric park
Ah yes the poster child for the sharp class isn’t sharp class
How in the 9 realms is the submaripper part tracker class
have always thought about the Nader being in sharp and never understanding why they put it into tracker
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The reason that the submaripper is tracker is it can sense vibrations in the water from miles away
It might be that nadders are labeled as trackers because that trait is more important to a rider than the sharp spines. Being able to track people or animals would be much more important for a village of people. Thus at first, when it was an enemy, it would be sharp because that's what a person fighting one would need to know, but as the village changed from hunters to riders of dragons and grew to understand the dragon's better, it became tracker.
The submaripper can sense tiny changes in the water.
Can you please tell me what are the names of these dragons in the movie?
1. The dragon Hiccup distracted with the flaming blade when he landed in the colony of dragons after captured by Valka in HTTYD2.
2. The blue dragons that appear in HTTYD 2 AND 3. You can mainly see them during the introduction of Berk in HTTYD when the vikings cross the road of dragons.
3. Drago’s dragons
Great video do did on
boulder class dragons
5:18 short end of the stake lol
SPINOSAURUS MENTIONED RAHHHHH WTF IS AN AGREED UPON RECONSTRUCTION 😤😤🔥🔥🔥
Imagine the world of how to train your Dragon is in our universe
tidal next with sand wraith and shockjaw
Fun Fact : The Mudbreaker is classed as Stoker in Rise of Berk