Most people I speak to here in Great Britain think the USA has gone BONKERS Your country is on the cutting edge of technology and at the same time a lot of people believe in iron age thinking .Religion will hold you all back and the rest of the world pass you by. Do your best to drag them into reality I am PROUD to be a PRIMATE
More than half this country are barmy twits completely off the trolley. Did I use any of those right? You are correct though it’s an endless fight to keep Iron Age mythology out of legislation, we’ll keep trying to drag them kicking and screaming into modernity.
@@oneeye1572 Mostly right. Though barmy generally implies a form of harmless crazy, rather than actively destructive. It could be interpreted as 'stupid to the point of questionable sanity.' A religious nutter who prays all morning in their garden to call for rain is barmy. A religious nutter who withholds medical care from their child because they believe in the power of prayer is not barmy, as the word isn't strong enough.
He would no doubt tell you himself that he was on a journey. He didn't become articulate overnight but worked at it. I am inspired by Seth to make more effort myself to be more intelligible
@@RobertDMoore E Pluribus Unum was replaced as the national motto in the 1950s, because it sounded dangerously like communism. The new motto is In God We Trust, which is fifties slang for "Fuck the godless commies.'
Children should be exposed to courses in comparative religion and objective critical thinking from an early age. Instead they are force-fed the religion of their parents who have largely also been force-fed the religion of their parents. Kids are taught WHAT to think rather than HOW to think. The current system is a self-perpetuating monster.
Great show guys and hopefully America will begin to see reality and loose some of the magical thinking that is so ingrained in a significant proportion of the population. Best wishes from the UK.
In my opinion, it is exceptionally difficult to verify any claims about what is "human nature", and I believe that several soft sciences, namely economics, psychology & political science, are mistakenly lumping social conditioning, educational indoctrinations, dominant statistical modes, and common denominators into all of their proclamations about "human nature".
America is like 50 different countries. Fear is the problem, one group is so afraid of what their god will do to them they will go to extreme limits to prevent or cause something to happen. They are afraid of reason, so they will not listen to it. As a Atheist I am unconcerned with their lack of reason. But I sympathize with women wishing to control their reproductive rights.
The Southern Baptists started out as a splinter group. They broke away from the main Baptist church before the civil war, in a dispute about slavery. The Baptists formerly supported it, but changed their position to supporting abolition, which lead many of their churches in the south to break away and form their own Southern Baptists in protest. Over the century that followed the Southern Baptists flourished, while the 'Northern' Baptists (as they came to be known) shrunk, until the splinter group eclipsed the church it formerly broke away from. The Southern Baptists did eventually accept the abolition of slavery. They went on to supporting segregation instead, and were one of the major organisation opposing the civil rights act. They finally made a formal statement accepting racial equality in 1995, and issuing an apology for their denominations origin and prior actions. There is still a clear statistical remnant though: Since most people go to the church their parents went to, and the Southern Baptists were one of the last denominations to end racial segregation, the church membership is still overwhelmingly white, and non-white members are almost unheard of in the church leadership.
I heard from a business coursera online course that I took that humans are feeling animals who just happen to think. If that's the case then people believe things depending on the emotions that are attached to these ideas. If that were also true we will not really have a shared reality. It is what it is.
I would like to suggest a topic for one of your programs : It involves Carl Sagan's poetic yet scientific depiction of the Earth as "A mote of dust suspended on a sunbeam". Have real scientists and astronomers talking about origins, the mind-boggling size of the universe, how unaware and naive most people are about Earth's APPARENT uniqueness, and how science is based on rigorous observation and NOT simplistic BELIEFS.
Reality is one! It is therefore necessarily shared, otherwise it wouldn't be real. Your people have surrendered their freedom of conscience, and they did this voluntarily.
How did we get here? Anyone who didn’t see this coming 4 years ago wasn’t paying attention. In particular the media bears a lot of responsibility for normalizing his behavior. It’s like a reset button was pressed every day as if what happened yesterday didn’t occur and tomorrow will somehow be different. And we somehow have to ask ourselves how we got here?!?
"Do Americans Have a Shared Reality Anymore?" No. And they never did. And humans have never had a shared reality. Due to the nature of the way we are formed our brains all develop independently, so we all develop independent concepts of reality within ourselves. It's a shame, too. Allows for a lot of manipulation, isolation, delusion, and cruelty.
Part of this religious un-reality is that is the belief structure that “we ARE the CHOSEN people” so it is exclusivity...we are APART, we are the MOST SPECIAL. I have seen my evangelical Christian family members became far more oriented to being blessed with abundance meaning financial wealth and social prominence which is the opposite of the teachings of Christ. As long as pastors, churches, religious leaders, fundamentalist Christian movements group together to produce a common narrative the fantasy continues.
Maybe I'm just a bad person, but as I see it now things won't get better until these people die off from the virus. The reason I think that is because it's these same people who are making the virus worse by refusing to take precautions against them. I don't want people to die from COVID, but I don't know what we can do to protect people who don't want to be safe, at least not without violating their personal rights and freedoms.
Be nice to be able to identify these people. It takes nothing to wear a mask to protect others, much more than yourself. Be nice if they signed a legally binding release statement that they won't need to go to any hospital due to their ignorance, yet the hospital will always be there for them. Let the responsible people go first, at least.
considering how factioned american evangelicalism is, it might be worth considering how the republican party was able to unite them (for at least the one purpose, anyway) when not even god himself could.
With all due respect, have we ever had a shared reality? White reality is still not anything like non-white reality. So, how ask that question politically
Most people I speak to here in Great Britain think the USA has gone BONKERS Your country is on the cutting edge of technology and at the same time a lot of people believe in iron age thinking .Religion will hold you all back and the rest of the world pass you by. Do your best to drag them into reality I am PROUD to be a PRIMATE
More than half this country are barmy twits completely off the trolley. Did I use any of those right? You are correct though it’s an endless fight to keep Iron Age mythology out of legislation, we’ll keep trying to drag them kicking and screaming into modernity.
@@oneeye1572 Mostly right. Though barmy generally implies a form of harmless crazy, rather than actively destructive. It could be interpreted as 'stupid to the point of questionable sanity.'
A religious nutter who prays all morning in their garden to call for rain is barmy. A religious nutter who withholds medical care from their child because they believe in the power of prayer is not barmy, as the word isn't strong enough.
I wish I was half as articulate as Mr Andrews. He makes so much sense , it's astounding.
He would no doubt tell you himself that he was on a journey. He didn't become articulate overnight but worked at it. I am inspired by Seth to make more effort myself to be more intelligible
I also subscribe to Seth’s show so found this episode doubly enjoyable.
Thanks folks...great show. Seth is an excellent guest. 😊🦠😷🔬🩺🧬☮️🗽⚖️🕊🇨🇦🇺🇸
Thank you for such an intelligent show.
What a breath of fresh air 💙
Didn't expect this kind of bond with like-minded people, really understand the regret of Seth after undergoing a similar journey!
The pledge, if kept, should simply be: "I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all."
Love it 👍
remove 'god', replace with 'e Pluribus Unum' then all's good after revision
@@RobertDMoore E Pluribus Unum was replaced as the national motto in the 1950s, because it sounded dangerously like communism. The new motto is In God We Trust, which is fifties slang for "Fuck the godless commies.'
Praise FFRF!
A thousand thanks for everything you do. 👍❤️
Hear hear !
This is a fantastic conversation. Thank you for a former Fox Evangelical.
Haha, Morpheus to Neo: "Welcome...to the real world!"
Excellent and truely thought provoking for those who are brave enough to question their religious beliefs.
Children should be exposed to courses in comparative religion and objective critical thinking from an early age. Instead they are force-fed the religion of their parents who have largely also been force-fed the religion of their parents. Kids are taught WHAT to think rather than HOW to think. The current system is a self-perpetuating monster.
I couldn't agree more! And the privatization of education just makes it harder to break through
Great show guys and hopefully America will begin to see reality and loose some of the magical thinking that is so ingrained in a significant proportion of the population. Best wishes from the UK.
If you can convince people to believe the irrational, you can get them to commit atrocities ......
I work with the elderly, and there is definitely a "f*&k old people" mentality. It's infuriating.
Thanks.
- An old person. 😁
Great show, thank you FFRF!
Great show guys!
Thank You!
Hey all. Happy joy of the holidays to all. ✌🏼❤️
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Speak up people and share your thoughts. These are extremely important issues.
tribalism is the problem, religion aside. it is human nature to divide up and antagonize. it must be stopped, we are all people.
In my opinion, it is exceptionally difficult to verify any claims about what is "human nature", and I believe that several soft sciences, namely economics, psychology & political science, are mistakenly lumping social conditioning, educational indoctrinations, dominant statistical modes, and common denominators into all of their proclamations about "human nature".
America is like 50 different countries.
Fear is the problem, one group is so afraid of what their god will do to them they will go to extreme limits to prevent or cause something to happen.
They are afraid of reason, so they will not listen to it. As a Atheist I am unconcerned with their lack of reason. But I sympathize with women wishing to control their reproductive rights.
The Southern Baptists started out as a splinter group. They broke away from the main Baptist church before the civil war, in a dispute about slavery. The Baptists formerly supported it, but changed their position to supporting abolition, which lead many of their churches in the south to break away and form their own Southern Baptists in protest. Over the century that followed the Southern Baptists flourished, while the 'Northern' Baptists (as they came to be known) shrunk, until the splinter group eclipsed the church it formerly broke away from.
The Southern Baptists did eventually accept the abolition of slavery. They went on to supporting segregation instead, and were one of the major organisation opposing the civil rights act. They finally made a formal statement accepting racial equality in 1995, and issuing an apology for their denominations origin and prior actions. There is still a clear statistical remnant though: Since most people go to the church their parents went to, and the Southern Baptists were one of the last denominations to end racial segregation, the church membership is still overwhelmingly white, and non-white members are almost unheard of in the church leadership.
I heard from a business coursera online course that I took that humans are feeling animals who just happen to think. If that's the case then people believe things depending on the emotions that are attached to these ideas. If that were also true we will not really have a shared reality. It is what it is.
In response to the title: Nope.
I think I'm mostly in the factually correct one.
_But I would think I was in the correct reality, wouldn't I?_ 😨
As we did to Tobacco and Pharma, how do we force religions and/or religious groups/people into the courts to force them to prove their claims!!??
I would like to suggest a topic for one of your programs : It involves Carl Sagan's poetic yet scientific depiction of the Earth as "A mote of dust suspended on a sunbeam". Have real scientists and astronomers talking about origins, the mind-boggling size of the universe, how unaware and naive most people are about Earth's APPARENT uniqueness, and how science is based on rigorous observation and NOT simplistic BELIEFS.
I always wonder is Seth has read Foxocracy by Tobin Smith...seems like the perfect addition to his own new book.
Reality is one! It is therefore necessarily shared, otherwise it wouldn't be real. Your people have surrendered their freedom of conscience, and they did this voluntarily.
How did we get here? Anyone who didn’t see this coming 4 years ago wasn’t paying attention. In particular the media bears a lot of responsibility for normalizing his behavior. It’s like a reset button was pressed every day as if what happened yesterday didn’t occur and tomorrow will somehow be different. And we somehow have to ask ourselves how we got here?!?
4yrs ago? We have been on our way here for at least 10yrs
@@nathanmckenzie904 ,
Closer to 20 years honestly.
"Do Americans Have a Shared Reality Anymore?" No. And they never did. And humans have never had a shared reality. Due to the nature of the way we are formed our brains all develop independently, so we all develop independent concepts of reality within ourselves. It's a shame, too. Allows for a lot of manipulation, isolation, delusion, and cruelty.
If we ever did it was an illusion.
In school, we would get yelled at by the teacher and made to stand if we stayed seated
I'd like to do this work too, How do I get started !!
Part of this religious un-reality is that is the belief structure that “we ARE the CHOSEN people” so it is exclusivity...we are APART, we are the MOST SPECIAL. I have seen my evangelical Christian family members became far more oriented to being blessed with abundance meaning financial wealth and social prominence which is the opposite of the teachings of Christ. As long as pastors, churches, religious leaders, fundamentalist Christian movements group together to produce a common narrative the fantasy continues.
How much did the abundant blessings, financial wealth, and social prominence cost them, and did they ever achieve it?
Rush Limbo? Is that right or a slight of the most hateful type?
I remember thinking as a teen. Kirk is wrong. Spock is right. Logic always trumps emotion.
Maybe I'm just a bad person, but as I see it now things won't get better until these people die off from the virus.
The reason I think that is because it's these same people who are making the virus worse by refusing to take precautions against them.
I don't want people to die from COVID, but I don't know what we can do to protect people who don't want to be safe, at least not without violating their personal rights and freedoms.
Be nice to be able to identify these people. It takes nothing to wear a mask to protect others, much more than yourself. Be nice if they signed a legally binding release statement that they won't need to go to any hospital due to their ignorance, yet the hospital will always be there for them. Let the responsible people go first, at least.
Did they ever ?
Trump is the main factor with Corona denial.
Half don't want to be inconvenienced and the other half think this is to hurt Trump.
I dont believe we do
considering how factioned american evangelicalism is, it might be worth considering how the republican party was able to unite them (for at least the one purpose, anyway) when not even god himself could.
If you live near Amish communities, they don't wear masks.
Nope.
With all due respect, have we ever had a shared reality? White reality is still not anything like non-white reality. So, how ask that question politically
They have something better - a shared delusion - right wing religious fundamentalism.