Thank you Paul and Gavin. Excellent. This gives me an answer to just where my dad fought in one place. Operation Tombola and further,thank you very much.
Just received Gavin’s “The Long Range Desert Group in World War II” this book contains some fantastic photographs and ordered his “The SAS in Occupied France”
Another fantastic presentation from Gavin and yourself, thank you both. Totally enjoyed hearing about my "Victor" comic book hero's when I was growing up.
Excellent show. Harry Poat was an old boy from my school and also a friend of my grandparents post war when they were both tomato growers in Guernsey. Sadly I only have a vague recollection of him as I was only 11 when Harry died. Gavin's comment of him looking like Ronald Coleman as my grandmother mentioned that.
Paddy Mayne was recommended for the VC by his senior officer Mike Calvert. The recommendation was rejected. Calvert himself was recommended for the VC on three (3) separate occasions - and refused by a 'Desk Officer' each time.
A great presentation. Gavin is a mine information and captivating to listen to. My mother’s cousin was in second SAS HQ battalion in 1944 in France. I think he was active in the Dijon area of France. Have you got any future plans to do a presentation about their role there?
With the 80th anniversary coming up to the end of the World War 2 do you think the government should reconsider the award of a Victory Cross to Paddy Mayne . With the DSO with 3 bars he was controversially denied receiving the VC. The kings great father King George VI remarked “so strangely eluded him. I hope so
Personally I don't believe awarding extra medals decades later makes any real difference. Maybe he should have received the VC, but many individuals should have probably received awards they didn't, and others received awards they didn't deserve. Life isn't fair
I cant believe the lack of "my grandfather/father/uncle was there with Paddy Mayne/ knew him/ met him/ my sister loved him etc etc, are you all on holidays ?
@ throughout the war. Like in overall of the missions/operations. I saw a video before where special units canoed up a river to blow up some ships. Where i think 4 out of 5 canoes got killed or mia.
Respectfully, I’m not sure Paul is correct about Churchill. By Churchill‘s own estimation he drank a quart of spirits per day, mostly in the form of liquor. I don’t think the record disputes reports of his appetite for libations; rather, I think what’s being disagreed upon is what constitutes “drunk”. When people say that he was drunk throughout the day, I don’t think anybody means that he was falling down it walking into walls or, as Paul suggests, unable to properly attend meetings. But a quart of liquor if it’s spread throughout the day- which he certainly did do, taking Champaign at lunch, brandy after every meal, wine with dinner, etc.- is absolutely enough to fail a driving test at any point in a given day. Churchill drank. A lot.
I'm not disputing the fact he drank a lot, but it very rarely seemed to affect his cognitive abilities. I was referring the Churchill haters who say he was a drunkard
Functioning addicts to all sorts of drugs from alcohol, H, weed, prescription meds are all around us every day . There's others who have never touched anything that are batshit crazy. Once upon a time, how you held your liquor, was the measure of a man. Oh well, chin up, bumpers all around, huzzah. Confusion to the French.
Has Gavin ever mentioned his opinion on the Rogue Heroes series? Honestly, I was thoroughly disappointed and that's with me being skeptical about BBC Entertainment in recent years, a 6 out of 10 at best. The writing, I felt, was poor and contrived, the choreography was lackluster and looked fake and and the characters were, at best, mostly historically inaccurate or outright fake such as that Algerian woman, and quite offensive in the case of Paddy Mayne. I felt the acting was poor and difficult to relate to which is a shame because I quite liked a lot of the actors in other roles and productions. In fairness to the actors, I think the producers told them to act like that, like pro wrestlers, rather than real soldiers. Thanks.
Thank yous for telling the truth about Robert Blair (Paddy) Mayne. For anybody who's interested. Check out Peter Forbes talk on him. Respect from Republican and Nationalist West Belfast. ✌🇮🇪
@@WW2TV I think its an point worth considering. I'm not saying Mayne was or wasn't; the evidence is shaky in my honest opinion. But I don't think we should dismiss the idea completely. Talking about homosexuality among the Allied forces helps to remind us that even the bravest, toughest soldiers of WW2 weren't all stereotypical brutish, man's man type characters who either spoke in grunts. Or were otherwise dashing heartthrobs with glamourous love lives such as Hollywood would depict. They all came from different types of backgrounds, had all sorts of motivations and interests, each with their own personalities that affected their world view and contribution to the war. To just close off the conversation is unwise I feel as it only cements outdated, and potentially false, narratives and images about the troops or other historical figures. It also acknowledge some of the personal and mental problems that some of the troops would have suffered, such as feeling isolated or lost in the world, even before things such as PTSD became a potential factor in their lives. However, I do feel we should be sensitive when commercialising or politicising historical figures. Respectable gossiping or debating matters about other people's lives and characters is just a part of everyday life so long as it's not harmful or defamatory. However, to deliberately misrepresent a character like Mayne for financial gain or political narrative (such as Rogue Heroes did) is where I think we should all draw the line in the sand. Whatever Mayne was or wasn't, he clearly didn't want most people at the time (possibly even his friends and family) to know, or we probably wouldn't be having these conversations today. The same can be said for Mike Calvert who had similar rumours said about him, even at the time, with substantially more evidence than that of Mayne. To sell a potentially false image of a person at a time when they are unable to contradict or defend themselves, in front of potentially millions of otherwise uninformed people, with said person's relatives having to live with the consequences of that image is morally abhorrent in my opinion. It isn't how we should treat our heroes, even in after they have long since passed.
@@WW2TV I agree with you Woody. The point I was trying to make is when someone asks that question it shouldn't just be dismissed. Whether it's right or wrong, whether we like it or not, there are rumours about Mayne's sexuality and people are within their rights to talk about it. It's the role of historians to address such rumours and other misconceptions with the best evidence and sources available to them at the time. If those rumours and questions are left unanswered and unquestioned, they fester and tend to take on a life of their own, like Chinese Whispers. I, like you, don't care what Mayne's preferences were. It wouldn't change my opinion of him, but I do care when people repeat unsubstantiated rumours about historical figures unchallenged. I just feel that rather than answering "Who cares" and dismissing the question, you should have provided some links to your interviews with Damian Lewis who is an expert on Mayne and addressed these rumours on your channel. I believe you even made a Short about it. Is that not part of the point of WW2TV - countering and challenging potentially dubious and unsubstantiated rumours and myths about figures from the Second World War?
Absolutely fantastic stuff chaps .. Makes you wonder how many ex SAS and SBS after the war actually became a hired gun.. Even today reckon there must be certain indeviduals that enjoy smacking a baddy..
Paddy Mayne, follow that !
What a guy. (that's all you have to say) Thank you WW2TV for the continuous excellent presentations. Thank you
SAS & Paddy Mayne, always a delight to hear something about it 😀
Thank you Paul and Gavin. Excellent. This gives me an answer to just where my dad fought in one place. Operation Tombola and further,thank you very much.
Just received Gavin’s “The Long Range Desert Group in World War II” this book contains some
fantastic photographs and ordered his “The SAS in Occupied France”
Great teamwork on visuals etc enhancing this presentation from Gav and Paul. Cracking accompaniment to Series 2. This IS a history lesson BBC!
Still catching up missed episodes, this one is a top presentation by Gavin, thank you both. Another new operation to me
Absolutely top notch gents thanks a million 👍🏻👍🏻
Another fantastic presentation from Gavin and yourself, thank you both. Totally enjoyed hearing about my "Victor" comic book hero's when I was growing up.
Excellent show. Harry Poat was an old boy from my school and also a friend of my grandparents post war when they were both tomato growers in Guernsey. Sadly I only have a vague recollection of him as I was only 11 when Harry died. Gavin's comment of him looking like Ronald Coleman as my grandmother mentioned that.
Enjoyed the excellent presentation and discussion. Thank you Paul and Gavin!
Got sucked into a board meeting. Still was able to audit the entire show. WOW! This is a GR8 1, will definitely be viewing again and reviewing.
Fantastic! :)
Thanks for sharing!
Really enjoyed this one 👍🏻
Fantastic presentation Woody and Gavin.
Woody an excellent presentation and your footage help understand the terrain and the battery
Great interview 😮
Wow, Gavin is captivating to listen to. Looking forward to hearing him again down the track.
Yep, he's always great. I think this was his 4th appearance on the channel
Paddy Mayne was recommended for the VC by his senior officer Mike Calvert. The recommendation was rejected.
Calvert himself was recommended for the VC on three (3) separate occasions - and refused by a 'Desk Officer' each time.
A great presentation. Gavin is a mine information and captivating to listen to. My mother’s cousin was in second SAS HQ battalion in 1944 in France. I think he was active in the Dijon area of France. Have you got any future plans to do a presentation about their role there?
Brilliant
Where does Carol Mather fit in
With the 80th anniversary coming up to the end of the World War 2 do you think the government should reconsider the award of a Victory Cross to Paddy Mayne . With the DSO with 3 bars he was controversially denied receiving the VC. The kings great father King George VI remarked “so strangely eluded him.
I hope so
Personally I don't believe awarding extra medals decades later makes any real difference. Maybe he should have received the VC, but many individuals should have probably received awards they didn't, and others received awards they didn't deserve. Life isn't fair
Legend, think Paddy is anything like robert clive?
I cant believe the lack of "my grandfather/father/uncle was there with Paddy Mayne/ knew him/ met him/ my sister loved him etc etc, are you all on holidays ?
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean comments from viewers?
SAS with the French Morvan Maquis from June to August 19444 : ua-cam.com/video/Aj-wI0MR63E/v-deo.html
A RM officer accompanied the Rangers on the Pont Du Hoc assault.
Colonel T H Trevor was an Army Commando from 1 Commando rather than a Royal Marine
Today a pocket, tomorrow a submarine hatch 😅
What was the difference in death ratio compared to ‘regular’ infantry units?
In what context? Specifically the first day of Husky or throughout the war?
@ throughout the war.
Like in overall of the missions/operations.
I saw a video before where special units canoed up a river to blow up some ships. Where i think 4 out of 5 canoes got killed or mia.
SF casualties are almost certainly higher than average. I guess you are talking about Operations Jaywick and Rimau?
@ ua-cam.com/video/Y0wrO_PZZzY/v-deo.htmlsi=EvzlYMDD3fAnepYL
I saw this video. With only two survivors, whole units just didnt make it i guess.
The Rangers on Utah was a screw up by the Navy. The landing craft got split up by arty fire.
What Rangers on Utah?
Respectfully, I’m not sure Paul is correct about Churchill. By Churchill‘s own estimation he drank a quart of spirits per day, mostly in the form of liquor. I don’t think the record disputes reports of his appetite for libations; rather, I think what’s being disagreed upon is what constitutes “drunk”. When people say that he was drunk throughout the day, I don’t think anybody means that he was falling down it walking into walls or, as Paul suggests, unable to properly attend meetings. But a quart of liquor if it’s spread throughout the day- which he certainly did do, taking Champaign at lunch, brandy after every meal, wine with dinner, etc.- is absolutely enough to fail a driving test at any point in a given day.
Churchill drank. A lot.
I'm not disputing the fact he drank a lot, but it very rarely seemed to affect his cognitive abilities. I was referring the Churchill haters who say he was a drunkard
@@WW2TVAh. Well, anybody who’s a Churchill hater doesn’t know what they’re on about anyway. :)
Functioning addicts to all sorts of drugs from alcohol, H, weed, prescription meds are all around us every day .
There's others who have never touched anything that are batshit crazy.
Once upon a time, how you held your liquor, was the measure of a man.
Oh well, chin up, bumpers all around, huzzah.
Confusion to the French.
Gotta love that dazzle camouflage.
Thankfully Churchill had a driver.
was Jellicoe the son of Admiral Jellicoe of Jutland ?
Yes he was
Has Gavin ever mentioned his opinion on the Rogue Heroes series?
Honestly, I was thoroughly disappointed and that's with me being skeptical about BBC Entertainment in recent years, a 6 out of 10 at best. The writing, I felt, was poor and contrived, the choreography was lackluster and looked fake and and the characters were, at best, mostly historically inaccurate or outright fake such as that Algerian woman, and quite offensive in the case of Paddy Mayne. I felt the acting was poor and difficult to relate to which is a shame because I quite liked a lot of the actors in other roles and productions. In fairness to the actors, I think the producers told them to act like that, like pro wrestlers, rather than real soldiers.
Thanks.
I think he has talked about it a bit on social media
I wrote in Woody as a candidate and voted for him for president.
The Brits love talking about WW2.
1700 shows on WW2TV and counting
"We can distract ourselves" from Ww3 by talking about Ww2.
Thank yous for telling the truth about Robert Blair (Paddy) Mayne.
For anybody who's interested. Check out Peter Forbes talk on him.
Respect from Republican
and Nationalist West Belfast. ✌🇮🇪
Some interesting facts and pics but I found it rather boring, which I consider good as they didn’t glorify acts of war.
This yank welcomes the distraction!
Was Paddy gay?
Who cares
@@WW2TV I think its an point worth considering. I'm not saying Mayne was or wasn't; the evidence is shaky in my honest opinion. But I don't think we should dismiss the idea completely. Talking about homosexuality among the Allied forces helps to remind us that even the bravest, toughest soldiers of WW2 weren't all stereotypical brutish, man's man type characters who either spoke in grunts. Or were otherwise dashing heartthrobs with glamourous love lives such as Hollywood would depict. They all came from different types of backgrounds, had all sorts of motivations and interests, each with their own personalities that affected their world view and contribution to the war. To just close off the conversation is unwise I feel as it only cements outdated, and potentially false, narratives and images about the troops or other historical figures. It also acknowledge some of the personal and mental problems that some of the troops would have suffered, such as feeling isolated or lost in the world, even before things such as PTSD became a potential factor in their lives.
However, I do feel we should be sensitive when commercialising or politicising historical figures. Respectable gossiping or debating matters about other people's lives and characters is just a part of everyday life so long as it's not harmful or defamatory. However, to deliberately misrepresent a character like Mayne for financial gain or political narrative (such as Rogue Heroes did) is where I think we should all draw the line in the sand. Whatever Mayne was or wasn't, he clearly didn't want most people at the time (possibly even his friends and family) to know, or we probably wouldn't be having these conversations today. The same can be said for Mike Calvert who had similar rumours said about him, even at the time, with substantially more evidence than that of Mayne.
To sell a potentially false image of a person at a time when they are unable to contradict or defend themselves, in front of potentially millions of otherwise uninformed people, with said person's relatives having to live with the consequences of that image is morally abhorrent in my opinion. It isn't how we should treat our heroes, even in after they have long since passed.
Talking about homosexuality in WWII is a conversation worth having, but only when we can be certain someone was
@@WW2TV I agree with you Woody. The point I was trying to make is when someone asks that question it shouldn't just be dismissed. Whether it's right or wrong, whether we like it or not, there are rumours about Mayne's sexuality and people are within their rights to talk about it. It's the role of historians to address such rumours and other misconceptions with the best evidence and sources available to them at the time. If those rumours and questions are left unanswered and unquestioned, they fester and tend to take on a life of their own, like Chinese Whispers.
I, like you, don't care what Mayne's preferences were. It wouldn't change my opinion of him, but I do care when people repeat unsubstantiated rumours about historical figures unchallenged. I just feel that rather than answering "Who cares" and dismissing the question, you should have provided some links to your interviews with Damian Lewis who is an expert on Mayne and addressed these rumours on your channel. I believe you even made a Short about it.
Is that not part of the point of WW2TV - countering and challenging potentially dubious and unsubstantiated rumours and myths about figures from the Second World War?
Woody showed the way ✌️
Absolutely fantastic stuff chaps ..
Makes you wonder how many ex SAS and SBS after the war actually became a hired gun..
Even today reckon there must be certain indeviduals that enjoy smacking a baddy..