Even back in season 2 at argestas, I noticed that while everyone else was fucking around Tom was the only one taking the experience seriously and trying to become a better business person
I hope that now that Logan is gone, Roman can stop living for daddy’s approval and become his own man. Step one: As you say, breaking down his facade is huge. Now that Daddy isn’t here to berate him for displaying human emotions, he can (hopefully) learn to regulate his emotions like a normal, functioning adult (🎵Roman, Therapy! Ba, Ba, Ba-ba-ba 🎵) Step two: walking away from the family business. Go do something on your own. Roman has good instincts. I could see him working for Ferrari on the Formula 1 circuit or something like that. High profile, glamorous, fun, sexy, billions of dollars. The finale could be the best thing that ever happened to him.
He's better off but I wouldn't say he "won". He just avoided disaster. He'll get paid for his share of the company and can do anything he wants but it's not clear that he has the means to be happy. Shiv is trapped in her marriage to Tom. Connor is pretty happy in the end.
Tom is the definition of a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s acts servile and weak whenever he’s around Logan or Mattson, but when around people like Greg, that’s when his true colours come out.
Shiv didn't reward loyalty? How about the head of cruises and Atn stuff. Logan never rewarded loyalty if he did he would have helped Tom after the cruises incident
@@chiomawoherem4625 she got him those jobs because of how those jobs reflected on her. Her true opportunity to reward his loyalty was when he asked her where he would be in the new Waystar in the season three finale and Shiv was so non committal. After he went with Logan Tom became the true head of ATN and Logan’s right hand man.
@@DSQueenie Tom came to the realization that Siobhan could not carve a place for herself, let alone him, with her father and brothers. Logan used her as a pawn and brothers would have fought her tooth and nail.
Everyone takes a shit on Tom.. they never seem to realize that everyone there takes shit like that unless it’s the Roy’s kids.. Everyone keeps calling him a Cuck over Matsons remarks.. but they forget in the beginning of the show Tom was ready to go to blows over Shivs honor at the wedding, in Season 4 he was debating leaving her and there was no honor left to defend. And for those thinking Tom was gonna be partner DAY 1 with Mattson🤦🏻♂️ Mattson wanted a guy to carry out his mission who understood the business, not go against him unless there was a good reason. Shiv overstepped and already didn’t like Mencken. Tom in retrospect played the game more like Littlefinger. I’d say for who started as Middle Class/Lower Middle Class to CEO. He got the most done. Form here if he does well Mattson may ask him to be partner or he can be CEO else where.
Roys kids tooke abuse from Logan. Cuckoldry means investing parental effort unknowingly in to children of not your seed. Otherwise it doestn mean anything just nonsense slur like alot of internet nonsense. Toms ego was strong enough to not focus on petty stuff and feel insecure, Shiv and him were already over, relationship was in toilet nothing to salvage. (until Tom acquired more strength, which women are attracted to biologically)... Net pay off from sycophantly was immense. Tom and his apprentice were the savviest characters.
I always thought Shiv really would have benefited from someone teaching the importance of the Carrot and the stick. I remember a scene of her threatening Greg to keep quiet but didn’t promise anything to reward that loyalty. This leads to Greg telling Kendall
There's a quote from season 1, greg is talking about tom being abusive to him to logan and logan's response is something of "oh wow didn't know he had it in him"
I'll admit that II was heartbroken for Kendall. He did want the best for the company and his faults seemed the list egregious to me 🤣. After a few days, I reassessed the ending and knew Tom was the right pick. The sad thing is that had the three kids been self aware they would have made a great team because they each possessed what the other was lacking. Their selfishness and entitlement blinded them.
This is such an astute analysis. I didn't think about any of this. But I think Tom isn't subservient in the strict sense; I feel like he employs the tactic like in The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene 'don't outshine the master'.
Good analysis but the major point with all the siblings that wasnt touched on is that they wanted to run the company because they wanted love from Logan and wanted to prove they were worthy of it. Tom, well, he just had plain ole good ambition for ambition's sake.
When Tom offered himself up to Logan to go to jail it was the one time we see Logan genuinely impressed and surprised. I think Tom was always going to be the one even if Logan lived, and maybe the Swede saw that, or maybe Logan mentioned it to him in Italy. I don't know, I'm just upset it's over so I'm making up scenes in my head go keep it going.
To put it in simple terms, tom is just a glazer and glazing will get you places. It's that simple. He has no self respect and no one else respects him either.
Firstly, great analysis and I agree with it. I just finished the show today and while I think its good but overrated, tom was the best character along with greg and maybe logan.
Techincally, Logan won since season 3 because he sold his soul (the company) to Mattson. Lukas Mattson is the true Successor of Logan Roy. "Logan Mark 2, except this time, he's fucking sexy!" Which is actually himself. Also, in the scene where Mattson is panicking after hearing from Tom that Greg's snitching to the siblings, he told his team to go to their phones immediately whatever his problem is. The same thing to Logan whenever he's on the team to make sure that everyone is on the phone. They are under pressure but they make sure that their team members are ready. When Kendall is on a team and try to be a leader, he fails as he mostly nervous, under pressure and will overwhelmed easily.
tom didnt win, he is just the ceo not the real "owner" as logan was or any of kids would have been he is just mattson's lackey & can be fired at a moments notice
I think you fundamentally misunderstand the show. You assume right off the bat that the family's status and title of CEO are desirable for these characters. The weight of the life that Logan made for his children and the pursuit of the CEO title nearly destroy Roman and Shiv. It kills Ken in the end. We should question and discuss their desires not their outcomes. Tom is the only character whose desires and outcomes align with each other. He wants wealth, status, and entitlement. Not only does he get those things, but they suit him.
You're correct that the desires are pushed onto them by Logan but to say that none of them actually want it is just wrong. You could argue for why they want it, whether it be to prove something to themselves, their dad, or to finally get approval. The kids say multiple times how they basically couldn't live as a proletarian or anyone below filthy rich. The kids main problems is not their desire to be where they are but a childish desire to always get what they want and to get the constant approvial of their father which they lacked for so long.
@@JungleForce Huh? I didn't say they didn't want it. I just said that their belief that it's desirable is itself disastrous. Roman has a nervous breakdown and concludes that they must be "bullshit" for even playing this game. Shiv makes every single mistake her mother did by thinking she could play by the same rules as her brothers despite being a woman. Ken loses everything in the end, including his will.
Tom would never have achieved anything without Shiv. Shiv also had to earn it referring to her conversation with Tom in s3. Tom betrayed Shiv is s3 but didn't earn anything. Shiv is the only one that has actually looked at to Tom. Also Shiv never became her mother, shiv earned her spot on the board unlike the others.
I agree that Tom got where he was because of his marriage to Shiv. I think that Shiv wanted that any of his advancement through Waystar|RoyCo would be through the positions that she obtained for herself. The only problem is that I don't think Shiv really knew what the CEO position entailed. I think that she thought that it was Logan barking orders and everyone jumping. Shiv did not realize that Logan was never going to make her a CEO, but Tom did. Shiv was going to thwarted at every turn by her siblings. Tom figured that out, too. So he carved his own path, without her, thus the betrayal. I also agree with you that Shiv becoming her mother in character is conjecture. When the series ended, like her mother, she is married to a CEO, but not in the vain of Logan Roy. When the series ended, Shiv is becoming a mother. Everything else is left to the imagination.
It's also ironic how Shiv determined to not become like her mother and Kendall determined to not become like her father but in the end of the day, they become someone whom they determined to not be. Shiv becomes a lonely CEO wife who will be stay at home while Kendall becomes angry and resilient man who create so many enemies except Shiv still being a shareholder while Kendall has nothing. Also, Shiv who mostly getting left behind and bullied by her brothers finally has her revenge for years, she's finally the one who left them and tear them apart.
Everyone who makes the feminist argument for Shiv being a victim of patriarchy leaves out that fact she knows nothing about Roy Industries. At all. During the entire series she shines in manipulating people, she's a social climber, not a businesswoman , the "it's because she's a girl" horseshit loses all validity when the Pierce women came into the series, they're all women and all of them are on a different wavelength compared to Shiv, which is why Shiv gets so irritated and blurts out what she blurts out at the table. She was annoyed at the men of Royco had to stop in and do so much talking during the negotiations with the Pierce women because Shiv COULDNT HANDLE IT. For as goofy as the Royco men were, they understood the business, Shiv didnt. Period.
There is no feminist argument. Siobhan Roy was a dutiful daughter. She sold the business as Logan wanted and as Lady Caroline Collingwood said they should. She ended up being a partner with her husband Tom by voting to make him a CEO and having his child, as they both decided on in Season 1: he would "wear the big trousers", she would have his baby and do as she pleased. She became a Wambsgans by literally blowing up the Roy family (which is why she accepted Tom's invitation to go home with him).
@@annkey4091 "She ended up being a partner with her husband Tom by voting to make him a CEO and having his child" - The exact concept that she was disgusted early on in the marriage, but jumped right into when she saw Tom wasn't the weak follower she thought he was. When Tom showed he was a real man during the election drama and instead of FIGHTING HIM, which is what Shiv was supposed to do, she cowered and became the good housewife - why? Because again, she's a social climbing coward.
@@iamcase1245 Pardon? With her money and surname, what social ladder was she climbing? Show reads like she started with a leg up on her husband and billions of other people. The use of partner was how Siobhan introduced Tom to Connor while going to visit Logan at home after he left the hospital in S1. WHEN YOU ARE A WOMAN, YOU GO WITH THE BEST OFFER. No offers were coming from her brothers, that is for sure. As far as seeing Tom as a weakling, I am not so sure. She thought that he was "broad" before she married him. At the end of S3, Shiv found out he still is, as he carved his own corporate path without her. At the end of series, he is a 6'3" person who, yes, does the corporate thing for the man who writes his paycheck (just like he did for Logan). As far as the election was concerned, Shiv could not and would not fight Tom in front of Roman and Kendall, with whom she also had election issues. Tom is a paid employee of Kendall and Roman, like he was with Logan. It is something that he clearly understood. In fact, the argument with Tom included her pregnancy announcement, which she did not reveal to her brothers until the next day. Did you watch the program at all? Tom maybe angry/disappointed with Shiv, but he did invite her to his car as he knew it was a good idea to get her away from Matsson and that she blew up her Roy family. They will continue their "get mad, then get glad (in the boudoir)" relationship. Tom's "first, I look at the purse" strategy rewarded him handsomely as concerns of obtaining money, expensive suits and watches and other nice things came to fruition (as he and Siobhan agreed in S1).
@@annkey4091 "WHEN YOU ARE A WOMAN, YOU GO WITH THE BEST OFFER. " - When you're anyone you go with the best offer. I think you meant to say "When you are a woman, you go with what benefits you regardless of betraying any allegiances you have because for a woman it's all about the bag". There I fixed it for you. Now, it terms of her being a dutiful daughter, apart from the glaring contradictions with the rest of your message, if she's so dutiful why did she betray the family 4 times in 3 three years? Once every 9 months. That's a coward. But...she's a woman...so she has to go with the bag...right? Same goes with her predigree. If she carries the Roy and has it all then why betray that name for a bullshit cabinet job? Could be because she's a social climbing piece of shit? Yeah I think that's why. Even Roman, who is a rat sniveling piece of shit never goes as low as Shiv anywhere during the shows arc.
Even back in season 2 at argestas, I noticed that while everyone else was fucking around Tom was the only one taking the experience seriously and trying to become a better business person
He squeezes the costs and juices the profits. Collects skulls and harvests eyeballs.
Real winner is Roman, he successfully broke down his facade what was left at the end was pure acceptance.
True. I would like to add:
its easy to win and accept when all you want is overt egotistical hedonism and you are mega rich.
I hope that now that Logan is gone, Roman can stop living for daddy’s approval and become his own man.
Step one: As you say, breaking down his facade is huge. Now that Daddy isn’t here to berate him for displaying human emotions, he can (hopefully) learn to regulate his emotions like a normal, functioning adult (🎵Roman, Therapy! Ba, Ba, Ba-ba-ba 🎵)
Step two: walking away from the family business. Go do something on your own. Roman has good instincts. I could see him working for Ferrari on the Formula 1 circuit or something like that. High profile, glamorous, fun, sexy, billions of dollars.
The finale could be the best thing that ever happened to him.
He's better off but I wouldn't say he "won". He just avoided disaster. He'll get paid for his share of the company and can do anything he wants but it's not clear that he has the means to be happy. Shiv is trapped in her marriage to Tom. Connor is pretty happy in the end.
Tom is the definition of a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s acts servile and weak whenever he’s around Logan or Mattson, but when around people like Greg, that’s when his true colours come out.
Great video. Especially showing how Shiv didn’t reward loyalty unlike Logan.
Shiv didn't reward loyalty? How about the head of cruises and Atn stuff. Logan never rewarded loyalty if he did he would have helped Tom after the cruises incident
@@chiomawoherem4625 she got him those jobs because of how those jobs reflected on her. Her true opportunity to reward his loyalty was when he asked her where he would be in the new Waystar in the season three finale and Shiv was so non committal.
After he went with Logan Tom became the true head of ATN and Logan’s right hand man.
@@DSQueenie Tom came to the realization that Siobhan could not carve a place for herself, let alone him, with her father and brothers. Logan used her as a pawn and brothers would have fought her tooth and nail.
Everyone takes a shit on Tom.. they never seem to realize that
everyone there takes shit like that unless it’s the Roy’s kids..
Everyone keeps calling him a Cuck over Matsons remarks.. but they forget in the beginning of the show Tom was ready to go to blows over Shivs honor at the wedding, in Season 4 he was debating leaving her and there was no honor left to defend.
And for those thinking Tom was gonna be partner DAY 1 with Mattson🤦🏻♂️ Mattson wanted a guy to carry out his mission who understood the business, not go against him unless there was a good reason. Shiv overstepped and already didn’t like Mencken.
Tom in retrospect played the game more like Littlefinger. I’d say for who started as Middle Class/Lower Middle Class to CEO. He got the most done. Form here if he does well Mattson may ask him to be partner or he can be CEO else where.
BullEye that is what I've been saying. Tom played the game like LittleFinger
He was not middle class he was rich, as his mom was a highly respected twin cities lawyer, he was just not rich rich like the Roy’s
Roys kids tooke abuse from Logan.
Cuckoldry means investing parental effort unknowingly in to children of not your seed. Otherwise it doestn mean anything just nonsense slur like alot of internet nonsense.
Toms ego was strong enough to not focus on petty stuff and feel insecure, Shiv and him were already over, relationship was in toilet nothing to salvage. (until Tom acquired more strength, which women are attracted to biologically)... Net pay off from sycophantly was immense.
Tom and his apprentice were the savviest characters.
I always thought Shiv really would have benefited from someone teaching the importance of the Carrot and the stick. I remember a scene of her threatening Greg to keep quiet but didn’t promise anything to reward that loyalty. This leads to Greg telling Kendall
There's a quote from season 1, greg is talking about tom being abusive to him to logan and logan's response is something of "oh wow didn't know he had it in him"
I'll admit that II was heartbroken for Kendall. He did want the best for the company and his faults seemed the list egregious to me 🤣. After a few days, I reassessed the ending and knew Tom was the right pick. The sad thing is that had the three kids been self aware they would have made a great team because they each possessed what the other was lacking. Their selfishness and entitlement blinded them.
The line that sums up the kids was said by Marcia Roy to Shiv: "He made you a playground, and you think it’s a whole world"
You can’t make a Tom-lette without breaking some Greggs.
This is such an astute analysis. I didn't think about any of this. But I think Tom isn't subservient in the strict sense; I feel like he employs the tactic like in The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene 'don't outshine the master'.
She made the classic smart person's mistake of thinking that no one is as smart as her.
In the quotes of Tywin Lannister:
"I don't distrust you because you are a woman, you are not as smart as you think you are."
If you think you are smarter than you are. then you are probably not smart.
Nepo baby who thought the world was made for her, found out the hard way
Good analysis but the major point with all the siblings that wasnt touched on is that they wanted to run the company because they wanted love from Logan and wanted to prove they were worthy of it. Tom, well, he just had plain ole good ambition for ambition's sake.
When Tom offered himself up to Logan to go to jail it was the one time we see Logan genuinely impressed and surprised. I think Tom was always going to be the one even if Logan lived, and maybe the Swede saw that, or maybe Logan mentioned it to him in Italy.
I don't know, I'm just upset it's over so I'm making up scenes in my head go keep it going.
Law #26, Always keep your hands clean; the 48 Laws of Power.
That is Tom.
You can't make a Tommelette without breaking some Greggs
To put it in simple terms, tom is just a glazer and glazing will get you places. It's that simple. He has no self respect and no one else respects him either.
very unique take on Roman. loved it.
Firstly, great analysis and I agree with it. I just finished the show today and while I think its good but overrated, tom was the best character along with greg and maybe logan.
Great video, looking bad it was always gonna be Tom
based and true
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Great analysis!
Great video
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed 😁
Mattson was the real winner, tom is a puppet
Being a puppet is really all that Tom wanted. He never played the game to have real power, only status and money.
Tom won the game, so he is a winner. He plays the puppet to win.
@@SuperScarface83Exactly, going after absolute power is what ultimately destroys the Siblings’ bond beyond repair.
Techincally, Logan won since season 3 because he sold his soul (the company) to Mattson. Lukas Mattson is the true Successor of Logan Roy.
"Logan Mark 2, except this time, he's fucking sexy!" Which is actually himself.
Also, in the scene where Mattson is panicking after hearing from Tom that Greg's snitching to the siblings, he told his team to go to their phones immediately whatever his problem is. The same thing to Logan whenever he's on the team to make sure that everyone is on the phone. They are under pressure but they make sure that their team members are ready.
When Kendall is on a team and try to be a leader, he fails as he mostly nervous, under pressure and will overwhelmed easily.
Everyone got what they deserved in this show.
great vid
tom didnt win, he is just the ceo not the real "owner" as logan was or any of kids would have been
he is just mattson's lackey & can be fired at a moments notice
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONNOR ):
Tom ends up being the puppet he was before… only with another team. He didn’t win shit.
your vid spoiled it for me
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I think you fundamentally misunderstand the show. You assume right off the bat that the family's status and title of CEO are desirable for these characters. The weight of the life that Logan made for his children and the pursuit of the CEO title nearly destroy Roman and Shiv. It kills Ken in the end. We should question and discuss their desires not their outcomes. Tom is the only character whose desires and outcomes align with each other. He wants wealth, status, and entitlement. Not only does he get those things, but they suit him.
You're correct that the desires are pushed onto them by Logan but to say that none of them actually want it is just wrong. You could argue for why they want it, whether it be to prove something to themselves, their dad, or to finally get approval. The kids say multiple times how they basically couldn't live as a proletarian or anyone below filthy rich. The kids main problems is not their desire to be where they are but a childish desire to always get what they want and to get the constant approvial of their father which they lacked for so long.
@@JungleForce Huh? I didn't say they didn't want it. I just said that their belief that it's desirable is itself disastrous. Roman has a nervous breakdown and concludes that they must be "bullshit" for even playing this game. Shiv makes every single mistake her mother did by thinking she could play by the same rules as her brothers despite being a woman. Ken loses everything in the end, including his will.
Tom would never have achieved anything without Shiv. Shiv also had to earn it referring to her conversation with Tom in s3. Tom betrayed Shiv is s3 but didn't earn anything. Shiv is the only one that has actually looked at to Tom. Also Shiv never became her mother, shiv earned her spot on the board unlike the others.
I agree that Tom got where he was because of his marriage to Shiv. I think that Shiv wanted that any of his advancement through Waystar|RoyCo would be through the positions that she obtained for herself. The only problem is that I don't think Shiv really knew what the CEO position entailed. I think that she thought that it was Logan barking orders and everyone jumping. Shiv did not realize that Logan was never going to make her a CEO, but Tom did. Shiv was going to thwarted at every turn by her siblings. Tom figured that out, too. So he carved his own path, without her, thus the betrayal. I also agree with you that Shiv becoming her mother in character is conjecture. When the series ended, like her mother, she is married to a CEO, but not in the vain of Logan Roy. When the series ended, Shiv is becoming a mother. Everything else is left to the imagination.
It's also ironic how Shiv determined to not become like her mother and Kendall determined to not become like her father but in the end of the day, they become someone whom they determined to not be.
Shiv becomes a lonely CEO wife who will be stay at home while Kendall becomes angry and resilient man who create so many enemies except Shiv still being a shareholder while Kendall has nothing. Also, Shiv who mostly getting left behind and bullied by her brothers finally has her revenge for years, she's finally the one who left them and tear them apart.
Shiv literally cheated on Tom.
turned off the videonafter 40 sek. cheers!
Everyone who makes the feminist argument for Shiv being a victim of patriarchy leaves out that fact she knows nothing about Roy Industries. At all. During the entire series she shines in manipulating people, she's a social climber, not a businesswoman , the "it's because she's a girl" horseshit loses all validity when the Pierce women came into the series, they're all women and all of them are on a different wavelength compared to Shiv, which is why Shiv gets so irritated and blurts out what she blurts out at the table. She was annoyed at the men of Royco had to stop in and do so much talking during the negotiations with the Pierce women because Shiv COULDNT HANDLE IT. For as goofy as the Royco men were, they understood the business, Shiv didnt. Period.
There is no feminist argument. Siobhan Roy was a dutiful daughter. She sold the business as Logan wanted and as Lady Caroline Collingwood said they should. She ended up being a partner with her husband Tom by voting to make him a CEO and having his child, as they both decided on in Season 1: he would "wear the big trousers", she would have his baby and do as she pleased. She became a Wambsgans by literally blowing up the Roy family (which is why she accepted Tom's invitation to go home with him).
@@annkey4091 "She ended up being a partner with her husband Tom by voting to make him a CEO and having his child" - The exact concept that she was disgusted early on in the marriage, but jumped right into when she saw Tom wasn't the weak follower she thought he was. When Tom showed he was a real man during the election drama and instead of FIGHTING HIM, which is what Shiv was supposed to do, she cowered and became the good housewife - why? Because again, she's a social climbing coward.
@@iamcase1245 Pardon? With her money and surname, what social ladder was she climbing? Show reads like she started with a leg up on her husband and billions of other people. The use of partner was how Siobhan introduced Tom to Connor while going to visit Logan at home after he left the hospital in S1.
WHEN YOU ARE A WOMAN, YOU GO WITH THE BEST OFFER. No offers were coming from her brothers, that is for sure. As far as seeing Tom as a weakling, I am not so sure. She thought that he was "broad" before she married him. At the end of S3, Shiv found out he still is, as he carved his own corporate path without her. At the end of series, he is a 6'3" person who, yes, does the corporate thing for the man who writes his paycheck (just like he did for Logan). As far as the election was concerned, Shiv could not and would not fight Tom in front of Roman and Kendall, with whom she also had election issues. Tom is a paid employee of Kendall and Roman, like he was with Logan. It is something that he clearly understood. In fact, the argument with Tom included her pregnancy announcement, which she did not reveal to her brothers until the next day. Did you watch the program at all?
Tom maybe angry/disappointed with Shiv, but he did invite her to his car as he knew it was a good idea to get her away from Matsson and that she blew up her Roy family. They will continue their "get mad, then get glad (in the boudoir)" relationship. Tom's "first, I look at the purse" strategy rewarded him handsomely as concerns of obtaining money, expensive suits and watches and other nice things came to fruition (as he and Siobhan agreed in S1).
@@annkey4091 "WHEN YOU ARE A WOMAN, YOU GO WITH THE BEST OFFER. " - When you're anyone you go with the best offer. I think you meant to say "When you are a woman, you go with what benefits you regardless of betraying any allegiances you have because for a woman it's all about the bag". There I fixed it for you.
Now, it terms of her being a dutiful daughter, apart from the glaring contradictions with the rest of your message, if she's so dutiful why did she betray the family 4 times in 3 three years? Once every 9 months. That's a coward. But...she's a woman...so she has to go with the bag...right?
Same goes with her predigree. If she carries the Roy and has it all then why betray that name for a bullshit cabinet job? Could be because she's a social climbing piece of shit? Yeah I think that's why.
Even Roman, who is a rat sniveling piece of shit never goes as low as Shiv anywhere during the shows arc.
What is that accent you have? Haha
solid video. I still hate tom though :,)
Tom is a G
Trusting your family, weakness🫠
Hey man, its a wacky world