Axminster Affiliate Link: bit.ly/axminsterKB Axminster AT254SB Table Saw: bit.ly/at254sb Axminster AT254SB Extension Table Upgrade: bit.ly/at254ext Axminster AT254SB/AT315SB Sliding Table Upgrade: bit.ly/at254sliding Axminster AC216 Table Saw: bit.ly/ac216ts Please note, I earn a small commission on any purchases made after clicking the above links - you don't pay any extra, but it helps to support my channel. Thank you! The nine table saws I considered were: Axminster AC216 8" Table Saw Axminster AT254SB 10" Cabinet Table Saw (previously known as AW10BSB2) Charnwood W619 8" Cabinet Table Saw Charnwood W629 10" Cabinet Table Saw Charnwood W650 10" Cabinet Table Saw ITech 01332 10" Cabinet Table Saw Lumberjack TS1800 10" Hybrid Table Saw Scheppach TS82 Precisa 10" Cabinet Table Saw SIP 01332 10" Cabinet Table Saw Shaun In The Shed's review of the Lumberjack TS1800: ua-cam.com/video/aNP-ZJ-nVDI/v-deo.html Matt at Badger Workshop's video about the Axminster Craft AC216 Table Saw: ua-cam.com/video/lGk5wSpICzY/v-deo.html
This is my favourite UA-cam channel. I'm a bit of a wannabe DIYer and start construction on my own workshop next week inspired by these videos. Top bombing.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
You look so happy when you received the table. Really like that you search all the good reasons to buy something, not just buying what everyone has, but what you really need, great lesson for this times.
Great choice. I have the Charnwood and though it's not high end it's so accurate and so quiet it was a massive improvement - you might have to start checking how accurate your tape measures are now; I did! Can't wait to hear you using it. Great channel that needs no apologies for content - always interesting, informative and engaging.
Have had the same saw for 3 years now. It’s great. Dust extraction isn’t perfect as it’s not that tightly sealed, but I’m just using a standard shop vac rather than proper extractor. But for accuracy, power and solidity I’m very happy. Hope you enjoy yours!
Sip and Axminster also are sold with 230v, 16A only stands for a start current, not a running current.it’s no problem for a standard garage installation. You can even run a 16A machine on a 12A amp installation with a correct fuse ( it can allow the higher current for a specified time). Running current of those saws is about 4 to 8A. If you do have a right fuse you do not need to change your installation at all.
I have this saw and I love it! I took the metal outfeed table of and replaced it with a double layer of plywood, using the original brackets, and routed a couple of slots in it so that I could use a cross cut sled with it. I installed both cast iron extensions on the right hand side. Having all of the extensions and the outfeed is really convenient, plus it gives you twice as much surface to dump stuff on! Also it does run on 13 amps most of the time, but it did occasionally trip the circuit so I upgraded the supply after a while.
I'm still running on the DW745 and really happy with it. However some day (when moving to a new house = more space) I will want to upgrade, and this vid is will be the best place to start, thx :)
Good move not going for the W650. The sliding table is near on impossible to set up with and degree of accuracy suitable for cabinet making so I have discarded it. The fence is disappointing in that it has flex that can only be remedied by putting an f clamp on the far end. I look forward to your review of the Axminster saw. Thanks for the great videos.
I bought the Charnwood W619 years ago. I bought it because of the price. I wanted the cast iron top. The slide rail has come in useful at times but es it does take up space so I take it off a lot. The 1.5 hp motor seems a bit under powered for me these days and if I had the option again would go for the W650 or the axminster like yours. It is a lovely and quiet machine though. I am going to build it into a longer table with router built in at the end of the extension.
Great breakdown of your data and analysis. Thanks for sharing all of that. I have a Laguna Fusion F2 on backorder. It should be delivered in Aug, and I cannot wait for it to arrive! All the best from across the pond.
Good choice. I bought the Charnwood W650 for our local Men's Shed. A solid machine, but it took several hours to set up and adjust. Taking the riving knife off and on is a nightmare, and the dust collection is atrocious. Not only is the shroud a poor fit at the top, but the external 4" fitting drops to ~3" inside with a narrow, angled turn where it meets the shroud. This collects any slivers of wood and rapidly blocks the tube. On reflection, saws at this price point have to make so many compromises in order to have cast iron face and mounts that other areas suffer. If I were using a saw commercially I would double my budget- and probably get better value.
Wow these saws are awesome... much better styled and better looking than those available in the US... wonder why none of these companies try to sell over here
I only wish I could buy one like this or similar for around the same cost. I’m in the Philippines where the options are slim and overpriced to say the least. Might there be a kind soul out there who wouldn’t mind sending one over to me in a balakbian box? Shipping cost wouldn’t be too much surprisingly enough… 🙏 Great video, thanks for taking the time to make it for us👍
I ran my kity 1619 3hp table saw off a 3 pin powerpoint.. trouble is I kept blowing fuses on startup. Annoying. I changed to a 16A commando plug with separate MCB. Perfect. You made the right choice. Looking to upgrade as well.
This a crackin' vidio. I also have a spread sheet with way to many table saws listed. I found the way you presented your research very informative. Thanks for taking the time to share 5⭐'s
Congrats on your new table saw - I reckon you'll be very pleased with it. And, as others have noted, Axminster's service is second to none so I think you're on a winner! I'm looking fwd to your full review - cheers!
Cheers for the mention Keith. Hoping my saw doesn’t lead me to becoming a table saw junkie like Matt 😜. I have the dado stack arriving next week as well. Enjoy yours it was on my list of choices. Great minds and all that .
Oh! And another thing! I didn't like the top dust collection unit, but wanted a riving knife, so I cut the top off the metal mounting plate just below the top of the blade, then replaced it - carefully aligning it with the blade using the adjustment provided. I did purchase another mounting plate from Axminster just in case, but I doubt that I shall ever need it. I can now cut safely avoiding kickbacks, and also cut rebates without having to remove anything.
Great video thank you. A man after my own heart with stats and spreadhseets. I'm down the two... the Charnwood and Lumberjack, the lumberjack has a slight edge on good dust extraction which is key for me, but a shame on the small 16mm bore blades. I saw your lumberjack review too, but again thank you
Think you have made a good choice Keith. I was recently contemplating the axminster but decided to do up an old wadkin aGs 10 instead purely due to cost. (100 for the saw, 150 for a single phase motor, 40 for new bearings, and some steel for the fence) but the major drawback is dust collection and lack of a true riving knife. I really enjoyed the restoration project and have a lovely saw that cost me very little but I do feel I've down graded in terms of dust and having a splitter as opposed to a riving knife. Hope the saw serves you well.
i think you wade a wise choice the saw looks great. I have a ridgid 10" contractor saw it has the stamp metal wings i don't like witch i did not put on. I was using a old grizzle saw that i bought in 1985 it served me well it had cast iron wings that fit perfect on the ridgid i didn't use the base either, i had made a mobile base that i found from Shop Notes magazine it has 4 draws and dust extraction coming from the bottom i also didn't use the fence either i have the incra fence and love it hope yours works well for you!!
A 16a electrical supply is still a 230v supply. A machine requiring a 16a supply would only require the addition of a 16a socket, which could be added to an existing ring circuit, which would be rated at 32a, via a fused spur. It could also be added to either a 16a or 20a radial supply also common in most garage/workshops. Basically, it wouldn’t take a lot of work to fit this kind of supply and is probably even less complicated than I’ve made it sound... just in case anyone was interested 😂
A seperate 20A radial circuit would be better because you can then fit a 20A Type C mcb to feed the saw. The Type C mcb is designed not to trip when the motor inrush current is several times greater than the operating current on motor starting.
Great choice in my opinion. The service you get from Axminster is second to none. I have the 315 version of yours with the incra fence system on it and its great. I had a problem with the motor but they sent an engineer out within 2 day from Surrey (I live in the Midlands)
Spooky. When I saw the options you'd set out for yourself I knew it'd be the Axminster. Looks a piece of kit that. Nice. My main takeaway is trying to wrangle a good price from dealers in exchange for YT exposure. Thats a good shout mate. I'm gonna try it. ;)
You will absolutely love the axminster saw I have the exact same one with the same set up as yours with the cast iron extention tables and the at the time Osbourne mitre gauge
Well and truly researched, nicely done mate 👍🏾 Congrats on the newest addition to the shop, looks like you'll be more than happy with your purchase. 👌🏾
If you don’t have a dedicated workshop and work out of your garage. You’ll need a job site table saw. I have been using a Jet jobsite table saw for about 3 years, pulling it out of my garage and running it in the driveway. I would definitely recommend the Jet if you need a mobile jobsite tablesaw or you need something mobile with precision cuts.
I've got the same saw, different model number now, previously it was the AW10. I've had it around 2 years now and I still love it. You made a great choice 👍 I only have 3 small issues with mine. First and most annoying; on the right hand side of the fence rail. I catch my jeans on it all the time, I have many pairs of Jean's with rips in. Second, the rear extension table could do with having the mitre slots in as well as the main cast top. Remember this when you make a sled as the tracks have to be fairly short otherwise they hit the extension table. My sled is 1200x600mm and I think the tracks are around 350mm. Lastly, dust extraction is terrible. You'll get lots of chips and dust under the table and will regularly need to take the side off to get the extractor hose in there. Inhave seen people make a tray that fits into the bottom of the saw with extraction attached. I think there is a post with pictures on woodworking UK on Facebook. 👍
After many years my last table saw died, so I decided to bite the bullet and get a new one. Having read up on the different table saws I decided that the W650 would be perfect. I can't fault the machine for cutting capacity, power of the blade (the 3hp motor works great and is powered by a standard 13amp supply), but in all the reviews I read about it, no one had said anything about the size of the mitre slots. All my old mitre jigs / fences / accessories have a slider that is 19mm wide, but the mitre slots on the W650 is only 15mm wide! Now I will have to either refit all my home made and purchased jigs/fences with thinner sliders (which are NOT very easy to find anywhere!) or get someone to mill out the slot to accept my current sliders. If you are thinking of getting this machine, watch out for the thinner mitre slots.
Wish you’d done this 8 months ago. I used a similar geeky methodology, though you are clearly the Master. Ended up with the 629, for reasons of cost and supporting a local business. It’s ok. A lot of setting up (washers to get levels etc, filing sharp edges etc). It’s all stayed pretty well though. The fence is pretty good (and the gauge accurate) though there is a little play. The riving knife is a bit of a pain - too high to allow dado cuts and the built in overhead extractor hood is set so you have to have the blade protruding above the cut more than I want. Next job will be to replace the supplied blade I think as that left lines on some 2” soft wood. Powerful and quiet but a lot of internal dust build up, even with an ok extractor attached. It does look pretty clunky and poorly finished though. Biggest negative: the power button sits to the left under the sliding table, which is awkward and potentially dangerous if you don’t keep your wits about you. Beggars belief why it would be designed that way. I think I’d go Axminster next time or, if I won the pools, Laguna - that’s a slick looking saw. Look forward to hearing how you get on with your new toy.
Congratulations mate, what a stunning upgrade and you definitely deserve it after years of grafting. I personally think its such a good price as well when you consider the a new Dewalt would set you back £750. I currently saving for the Domino 😁 couple more orders and I'll be there😉 can't wait lol
Wow is that really how much they are going for now (the Dewalt)?? When you come to upgrade you'll probably find you will sell it for more than you paid for it, that'd what happened with mine strangely after 5 years use it sold on eBay for more than the £400 I paid!! Awesome news about the Domino, it's a great tool
@@RagnBoneBrown it's the DWE 7492 it's the latest model I believe just checked and its coming in at 799 to 850 😳. Mine the same one you had the DW745 think that's about 500. I looked at the Domino on eBay and I might as well buy new for the price they go for 🤔
I wish I had space for something like this in my shed. Sadly a contractor saw is about as big as it can go but I can watch people like you and enjoy these things that way. Looking forward to hearing how it turns out and I hope you enjoy it. Cheers.
Great video and well thought out decision process. I'm also in the market for a table saw to last many years (but very much a hobbyist), but note that in Nov 2022 the cheapest equivalent Axminster table saw to the one you chose is double the price back in 2020 :( The equivalent non-sliding Axminster now seems to be £2.5k. May have to look at Charnwood which is a shame as I live only 40mins from Axminster.
Hi Keith, Good coverage of the decision making process - it can be surprisingly difficult making informed comparisons on such things as its almost impossible to get all the same bits of information out of the various suppliers, web sites and manuals. I hope you are pleased with the results, it certainly looks very pretty! I was interested to see that both your top picks actually had the same 2.2kW power motors, yet one was classed as needing a 16A supply. Depending on the power factor of the motor, both should have a normal operating current of no more than about 12A. The normal issue with induction motors is that they draw a large inrush current at start up (which can be anything from 5 to 9 times the normal operating current). That can trip circuit breakers or blow fuses on some installations. It’s unlikely to be a problem on a typical UK 32A ring circuit (normal circuit breakers allow up inrush current up to 5x their nominal rating, so 160A gives plenty of head room), but might be on a 16A or 20A radial. If you do get trips, then one can normally change the MCB in the consumer unit for a “C” type device - these are designed to prevent nuisance trips on circuits feeding a high inrush current by allowing a 10x nominal inrush trip limit. It will be interesting to hear what you think of it in use, like ease of blade changing or removing the riving knife, and how effective the dust collection is. Do you know if you can run the fence on the other side of the blade (in effect giving the effect of being able to change between left and right tilt)? Is the arbour long enough to use a dado stack? Kind regards John
I don't think it was a surprise that you went for the axminster but I think you did the itech and SIP a disservice. You has the prices for those 2 red - Adding the cost of the extra tables puts the axy right bang in the middle - so the itech should have had a green box and the axy a red one for the pricing. As I say I don't blame you for getting the axy - I probably would have done the same, but when evaluating stuff like this I do find myself doing similar things, kind of forcing the decision to the one I'd rather have or 'forgetting' about the extras you buy. Nice to see the axy, hopefully it'll give you years of great service. IIRC weren't Milwaukee going to send you their battery one (like the one Matt from Badger Workshop had)?
I need to double check on my saw (a Charnwood W619), but I'm pretty certain the sliding table can relatively easily be completely removed from the Charnwood tables. You can then slide the front and back fence/channels to the left so you can install one of the extension tables onto the left hand side of the saw - though this would mean the scale would be unusable. The sliding table definitely gets in the way, but I find it pretty helpful for the sort of work I do. The saw does have some other flaws though, and I'm pretty jealous of cast iron extension tables!
Perfect timing Keith 😁. I have spent the last year doing exactly the same, my shortlist was exactly the same as yours. And my final choice is exactly the Same and for the same reasons. Just got to find another 6 inches in my workshop and I'm good to go 😁. Thanks for the video Keith 😁👍
I've used one of those Axminster saws and they are good for the money. If anything, you may find the dust extraction isn't perfect - but that comes with most saws! That Lumberjsack saw looks very similar to one that used to be sold by a company called Lyndhurst in Hampshire. It seemed to be one man importing a range of exclusive machinery from overseas... People buying them had mixed experiences, both with the quality of the machine and customer service. But with Axminster and others, you'll never go wrong and their technical team are always on hand to help. ;-)
Nice choice mate. I've got a shappach tablet saw and it's ok for ripping down plywood and lite stuff but in terms of beams, it struggles a little unless I run through either side which lightens the load a bit. Great video chap
Hi I purchased the sip table saw probably 15 years ago and at the time was the best for the budget I had, it has been a excellent saw that's required little maintenance to keep everything aligned. One down side the plastic fence handle broke and trying to get a replacement was impossible, I received so many wrong parts that I eventually gave up. I might try Axminster as it looks like the same part
Really enjoyed your video Keith - it is so difficult to compare such equipment. Good luck with the Axminster I bought a S I P 01574 saw secondhand about 6 years ago - it is identical to the Charnwood W650 and overall I have been very pleased with it. The men’s shed that I attend had a Charnwood W619 saw which you mentioned in your comparison. It seems to be an inferior saw with a poor fence system, smaller blade with less power and some issues with the blade raising function (however not many tools stand the rigours of a men’s shed for long anyhow) As you say, a small sliding table spends a lot of time unused - it cannot handle large ply sheets and my sliding mitre saw gets preference for most crosscut jobs. A couple of essential additions for a saw such as this - retractable wheels are a must - a decent out feed table is great - I made a fold down one fixed to the saw which was great but was kept up all the time and wasted the space under and tended to be used as an assembly table as well. I have recently removed this and built a combined outfeed/ assembly table with loads of storage under - good dust collection is also essential
Brilliant video Keith. I'm looking for a table saw for my small "DIY" workshop... And the lumberjack TS1800 looks a good fit but not enough reviews or info on it. For me the built in mobile base looks good...but the Axminster coupled with its mobile base does seem to give better quality and good support from the manufacturer too. Choices...choices.... I may be watching this video a few more times yet.. and will definitely be watching your full review when you do that. Thanks.
I have the Lumberjack ..its great...re-badged Rikon/Ridgid - I asked and got a discount - I also got a dado blade set off Amazon- it is a standard US bore. Great for a small workshop with built in mobility.
I had an old contractor-style saw that was branded Nutool and I imported a Dewalt/Delta dado blade set from the US. My own experience was great at first but soon I found it was just a pain to set up e.g. match the thickness, set the height etc. and it was much quicker & easier to use a router with a decent dado jig or use the router table.
I can't quite believe I've never commented on this video! Anyway I was in Axminster in Nuneaton yesterday where they told me this saw has a new model coming along. Axminster are re-branding their lines into 'Workshop' and 'Professional' groupings. The AT254SB they had in the showroom was discounted but still over £200 more than the base price you found in 2020. It goes to show how much things have gone-up in two years. Anyway - this re-cap on your situation was in the name of researching table-saw review vids. I've a couple I'm keen to do.
Cheers Karl. Now I've sorted the first extraction issue, the biggest issue (issues in fact) I have is with the fence. The next model up looks significantly better, but the pricings are mad at the moment, and suspect they're only going up
@@RagnBoneBrown I'll d.m. you with an early insight into what I've decided on. But I was talking to the axminster guy yesterday who admitted the issue most customers find with all of their saws (including my choice) is pairing it with an extractor with too low and air-flow. As for the fence, the one in the shop seems different to what's on your saw - I couldn't be sure - and didn't really show the issue you described in the podcast. It might be worth speaking to Axminster while you're in warrantee. They replaced a part on another tool I have of theirs which had been upgraded since I bought mine.
Hi Keith I have many Axminster tools have found them a very good company to deal with the customer service is excellent you failed to mention their 3-year warranty which appears to be very extensive although I've had no need to use it just as a side note I bought the jet table saw and now wish I bought the Axminster I don't think you'll be disappointed thanks for sharing kind regards Shaun
I gave some thought to a new table saw recently, but I was able to "recondition" my jobsite saw and instead used my money towards some other much-needed upgrades in my shop. Still, I like how you broke this down and went through several models to compare and contrast the advantages and disadvantages from your perspective. I will likely need to do the same at some point so that I'm not blinded by "hype."
Really great video Keith, very comprehensive and well explained explanation of what you chose and why - I definitely need to get a proper table saw soon, I know as soon as I do, I'll wonder why I didn't take the plunge earlier - clamping my fence to the bed is only fun for so long! Also I'm really noticing how much better and more comfortable you are getting on camera - I don't know if filming outside or doing some segments off script are helping but its a great improvement :)
The 25.4mm or 1 inch bore is the size of an Evolution Tools blade bore. I bought the Evolution Rage5 as I need to fold it away but drooled enviously over your new saw.😱
Keith i have that SIP 10" tablesaw, i use it and a Draper dust extractor on the same 13 amp mains double socket in my workshop and has never given me any bother mate (comes with a 13 amp plug). Good bit of kit with a good fence and accurate. Can't wait for your table saw review mate
I think from your detailed list of all the saws, for me it would have been a toss up between the Axminster and the char wood also. Hope your happy with your purchase Keith
For me, a table saw without a sliding table isn't a table saw 😉. In my small home shop I have an older swedish saw and I can crosscut 1244mm with the sliding table. I find miter saws way to inaccurate so I only use my table saw. Your saw looks fresh and it seems to really fit your space. Treat yo self!
Nice run down and love the geeky analysis approach. I've just bought the Charnwood W629 for much the same reasons; getting shot of the inaccurate contractor saw and upgrading cast iron. The induction motor are amazingly quiet in comparison. First impressions are pretty good and the only bug bear I have found is that the riving knife sits about 10mm higher than the blade (apparently H&S) and will soon get "adjusted"
I bought the W629 a few months ago with less research but the difference to my work has been amazing. Consistent accuracy was my biggest benefit and the neighbours preferred the quiet motor .I replaced the insert and added a fixed riving knife to that with a second insert for 'dado' cuts. Slide is a now just a very heavy paperweight but replaced it with oak worktop extension and use hand-made sleds.
Interesting review of your selection. I narrowed my choice to the Axminster and the iTec. Went for the iTec. Very pleased with it. As you say it comes with the cast iron side tables but these are an extra at additional cost from Axminster. Like you I didn't need the sliding carriage. I had seen the Axminster saw but not the iTec, reviews indicated that they were basically the same machine so I was confident to buy the iTec unseen
Cracking looking saw Keith. I have the Charnwood W619 and love it. So if you did decide on the 650, I think you would have been on to a winner either way. i must admit I only discovered axminster in the last year and I cannot fault them at all as a company, absolutely brilliant to deal with. I recently bought their craft series planer/thicknesser and I am so pleased with it. I can see you wanting to work with them a lot in the future!
Nice one Keith, good choice. I would have been tempted by the Lumberjack (it will hold a Dado Blade) but i understand your reasons not to go with it... I have just looked at the link and can't believe it hasn't got a Flappy Paddle stop type of switch. I am sure you can come up with one yourself.. Give me a shoutout with dimensions and pics if you want one.... Enjoy your investment and stay safe
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The nine table saws I considered were:
Axminster AC216 8" Table Saw
Axminster AT254SB 10" Cabinet Table Saw (previously known as AW10BSB2)
Charnwood W619 8" Cabinet Table Saw
Charnwood W629 10" Cabinet Table Saw
Charnwood W650 10" Cabinet Table Saw
ITech 01332 10" Cabinet Table Saw
Lumberjack TS1800 10" Hybrid Table Saw
Scheppach TS82 Precisa 10" Cabinet Table Saw
SIP 01332 10" Cabinet Table Saw
Shaun In The Shed's review of the Lumberjack TS1800: ua-cam.com/video/aNP-ZJ-nVDI/v-deo.html
Matt at Badger Workshop's video about the Axminster Craft AC216 Table Saw: ua-cam.com/video/lGk5wSpICzY/v-deo.html
holy hell pop up cray cray on the first link
This is my favourite UA-cam channel. I'm a bit of a wannabe DIYer and start construction on my own workshop next week inspired by these videos. Top bombing.
How's it been going since you have built your own work shop
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
I could imagine Mr Badger Workshop needing therapy for ‘acute table saw envy’ after this video😂
We all know it's nearly time for Matt's next table saw anyway!
I hope he takes my jesting in the manner it was intended! 😀
Say what, who's cute ? 😉🙄😆😆
He can take a cup of danish oil, and it will slide down 😎
You look so happy when you received the table. Really like that you search all the good reasons to buy something, not just buying what everyone has, but what you really need, great lesson for this times.
Great choice. I have the Charnwood and though it's not high end it's so accurate and so quiet it was a massive improvement - you might have to start checking how accurate your tape measures are now; I did! Can't wait to hear you using it. Great channel that needs no apologies for content - always interesting, informative and engaging.
Have had the same saw for 3 years now. It’s great. Dust extraction isn’t perfect as it’s not that tightly sealed, but I’m just using a standard shop vac rather than proper extractor. But for accuracy, power and solidity I’m very happy. Hope you enjoy yours!
Sip and Axminster also are sold with 230v, 16A only stands for a start current, not a running current.it’s no problem for a standard garage installation. You can even run a 16A machine on a 12A amp installation with a correct fuse ( it can allow the higher current for a specified time). Running current of those saws is about 4 to 8A. If you do have a right fuse you do not need to change your installation at all.
Great video mate. Good to have more UK & Ireland videos of machinery in "our" budget bracket.
I have this saw and I love it! I took the metal outfeed table of and replaced it with a double layer of plywood, using the original brackets, and routed a couple of slots in it so that I could use a cross cut sled with it. I installed both cast iron extensions on the right hand side.
Having all of the extensions and the outfeed is really convenient, plus it gives you twice as much surface to dump stuff on!
Also it does run on 13 amps most of the time, but it did occasionally trip the circuit so I upgraded the supply after a while.
I'm still running on the DW745 and really happy with it. However some day (when moving to a new house = more space) I will want to upgrade, and this vid is will be the best place to start, thx :)
completely agree. same for me. this video is really helpful once we're ready to upgrade :-)
Nice to really get an insight into someone else’s table saw buying process. Thanks for sharing it.
Drool That looks like a fantastic saw. Congratulations on the purchase. Looking forward to seeing your first impressions. Cheers. G.
Good move not going for the W650. The sliding table is near on impossible to set up with and degree of accuracy suitable for cabinet making so I have discarded it. The fence is disappointing in that it has flex that can only be remedied by putting an f clamp on the far end. I look forward to your review of the Axminster saw. Thanks for the great videos.
Lovely piece of kit I hope that you have many a happy hour using it. Axminster do make some great tools!
I just bought this same saw a couple months ago, i had the same thought process as you before purchasing and I'm very happy with it!
I bought the Charnwood W619 years ago. I bought it because of the price. I wanted the cast iron top. The slide rail has come in useful at times but es it does take up space so I take it off a lot. The 1.5 hp motor seems a bit under powered for me these days and if I had the option again would go for the W650 or the axminster like yours. It is a lovely and quiet machine though. I am going to build it into a longer table with router built in at the end of the extension.
ray loudon hi, I sold my W619 and bought a Dewalt DW745, plus change, other than noise it’s better in every way 👍
Great breakdown of your data and analysis. Thanks for sharing all of that. I have a Laguna Fusion F2 on backorder. It should be delivered in Aug, and I cannot wait for it to arrive! All the best from across the pond.
Good choice. I bought the Charnwood W650 for our local Men's Shed. A solid machine, but it took several hours to set up and adjust. Taking the riving knife off and on is a nightmare, and the dust collection is atrocious. Not only is the shroud a poor fit at the top, but the external 4" fitting drops to ~3" inside with a narrow, angled turn where it meets the shroud. This collects any slivers of wood and rapidly blocks the tube. On reflection, saws at this price point have to make so many compromises in order to have cast iron face and mounts that other areas suffer. If I were using a saw commercially I would double my budget- and probably get better value.
Wow these saws are awesome... much better styled and better looking than those available in the US... wonder why none of these companies try to sell over here
Congratulations! on the new table saw Keith! Thanks for sharing the update with us!💖👌👍😎JP
I only wish I could buy one like this or similar for around the same cost. I’m in the Philippines where the options are slim and overpriced to say the least. Might there be a kind soul out there who wouldn’t mind sending one over to me in a balakbian box? Shipping cost wouldn’t be too much surprisingly enough… 🙏
Great video, thanks for taking the time to make it for us👍
I ran my kity 1619 3hp table saw off a 3 pin powerpoint.. trouble is I kept blowing fuses on startup. Annoying. I changed to a 16A commando plug with separate MCB. Perfect. You made the right choice. Looking to upgrade as well.
Proper in depth explanation of the thought process. Ty
Well, I love a sliding table & they revolutionise a table saw
This a crackin' vidio. I also have a spread sheet with way to many table saws listed. I found the way you presented your research very informative. Thanks for taking the time to share 5⭐'s
Congratulations, Keith !! I hope your new saw is more than you expected and lasts many, many years !
Congrats on your new table saw - I reckon you'll be very pleased with it. And, as others have noted, Axminster's service is second to none so I think you're on a winner! I'm looking fwd to your full review - cheers!
Cheers for the mention Keith. Hoping my saw doesn’t lead me to becoming a table saw junkie like Matt 😜. I have the dado stack arriving next week as well. Enjoy yours it was on my list of choices. Great minds and all that .
Cheers Shaun, hope you're getting on ok with the lumberjack
@@RagnBoneBrown so far so good, getting the stock blade out of it on thursday to my blade of choice so we shall how that goes.
Oh! And another thing! I didn't like the top dust collection unit, but wanted a riving knife, so I cut the top off the metal mounting plate just below the top of the blade, then replaced it - carefully aligning it with the blade using the adjustment provided. I did purchase another mounting plate from Axminster just in case, but I doubt that I shall ever need it. I can now cut safely avoiding kickbacks, and also cut rebates without having to remove anything.
Great video thank you. A man after my own heart with stats and spreadhseets. I'm down the two... the Charnwood and Lumberjack, the lumberjack has a slight edge on good dust extraction which is key for me, but a shame on the small 16mm bore blades. I saw your lumberjack review too, but again thank you
Think you have made a good choice Keith. I was recently contemplating the axminster but decided to do up an old wadkin aGs 10 instead purely due to cost. (100 for the saw, 150 for a single phase motor, 40 for new bearings, and some steel for the fence) but the major drawback is dust collection and lack of a true riving knife. I really enjoyed the restoration project and have a lovely saw that cost me very little but I do feel I've down graded in terms of dust and having a splitter as opposed to a riving knife. Hope the saw serves you well.
i think you wade a wise choice the saw looks great. I have a ridgid 10" contractor saw it has the stamp metal wings i don't like witch i did not put on. I was using a old grizzle saw that i bought in 1985 it served me well it had cast iron wings that fit perfect on the ridgid i didn't use the base either, i had made a mobile base that i found from Shop Notes magazine it has 4 draws and dust extraction coming from the bottom i also didn't use the fence either i have the incra fence and love it hope yours works well for you!!
A 16a electrical supply is still a 230v supply. A machine requiring a 16a supply would only require the addition of a 16a socket, which could be added to an existing ring circuit, which would be rated at 32a, via a fused spur. It could also be added to either a 16a or 20a radial supply also common in most garage/workshops. Basically, it wouldn’t take a lot of work to fit this kind of supply and is probably even less complicated than I’ve made it sound... just in case anyone was interested 😂
A seperate 20A radial circuit would be better because you can then fit a 20A Type C mcb to feed the saw. The Type C mcb is designed not to trip when the motor inrush current is several times greater than the operating current on motor starting.
Great choice in my opinion. The service you get from Axminster is second to none. I have the 315 version of yours with the incra fence system on it and its great. I had a problem with the motor but they sent an engineer out within 2 day from Surrey (I live in the Midlands)
Spooky. When I saw the options you'd set out for yourself I knew it'd be the Axminster. Looks a piece of kit that. Nice. My main takeaway is trying to wrangle a good price from dealers in exchange for YT exposure. Thats a good shout mate. I'm gonna try it. ;)
Love both your channels!
Worth a punt! Thanks Stew
You will absolutely love the axminster saw I have the exact same one with the same set up as yours with the cast iron extention tables and the at the time Osbourne mitre gauge
Well and truly researched, nicely done mate 👍🏾
Congrats on the newest addition to the shop, looks like you'll be more than happy with your purchase. 👌🏾
If you don’t have a dedicated workshop and work out of your garage. You’ll need a job site table saw. I have been using a Jet jobsite table saw for about 3 years, pulling it out of my garage and running it in the driveway. I would definitely recommend the Jet if you need a mobile jobsite tablesaw or you need something mobile with precision cuts.
I got an Axminster trade bandsaw as a present to myself earlier this year. Absolutely love it.
Thanks for the research and video about it. I'm surprised you didn't at least consider the Saw stop in any of its variations.
Really good video! I'm looking for a table saw but don't have much room ! This one looks awesome!
I've got the same saw, different model number now, previously it was the AW10. I've had it around 2 years now and I still love it. You made a great choice 👍
I only have 3 small issues with mine. First and most annoying; on the right hand side of the fence rail. I catch my jeans on it all the time, I have many pairs of Jean's with rips in. Second, the rear extension table could do with having the mitre slots in as well as the main cast top. Remember this when you make a sled as the tracks have to be fairly short otherwise they hit the extension table. My sled is 1200x600mm and I think the tracks are around 350mm. Lastly, dust extraction is terrible. You'll get lots of chips and dust under the table and will regularly need to take the side off to get the extractor hose in there. Inhave seen people make a tray that fits into the bottom of the saw with extraction attached. I think there is a post with pictures on woodworking UK on Facebook. 👍
Thank you useful to know
After many years my last table saw died, so I decided to bite the bullet and get a new one. Having read up on the different table saws I decided that the W650 would be perfect.
I can't fault the machine for cutting capacity, power of the blade (the 3hp motor works great and is powered by a standard 13amp supply), but in all the reviews I read about it, no one had said anything about the size of the mitre slots. All my old mitre jigs / fences / accessories have a slider that is 19mm wide, but the mitre slots on the W650 is only 15mm wide!
Now I will have to either refit all my home made and purchased jigs/fences with thinner sliders (which are NOT very easy to find anywhere!) or get someone to mill out the slot to accept my current sliders.
If you are thinking of getting this machine, watch out for the thinner mitre slots.
Wish you’d done this 8 months ago. I used a similar geeky methodology, though you are clearly the Master. Ended up with the 629, for reasons of cost and supporting a local business. It’s ok. A lot of setting up (washers to get levels etc, filing sharp edges etc). It’s all stayed pretty well though. The fence is pretty good (and the gauge accurate) though there is a little play. The riving knife is a bit of a pain - too high to allow dado cuts and the built in overhead extractor hood is set so you have to have the blade protruding above the cut more than I want. Next job will be to replace the supplied blade I think as that left lines on some 2” soft wood. Powerful and quiet but a lot of internal dust build up, even with an ok extractor attached. It does look pretty clunky and poorly finished though. Biggest negative: the power button sits to the left under the sliding table, which is awkward and potentially dangerous if you don’t keep your wits about you. Beggars belief why it would be designed that way. I think I’d go Axminster next time or, if I won the pools, Laguna - that’s a slick looking saw. Look forward to hearing how you get on with your new toy.
Oh, and the non-standard mitre slots are a pain. Whole new set of jigs to make and featherboards no longer fit.
Congratulations mate, what a stunning upgrade and you definitely deserve it after years of grafting. I personally think its such a good price as well when you consider the a new Dewalt would set you back £750. I currently saving for the Domino 😁 couple more orders and I'll be there😉 can't wait lol
Wow is that really how much they are going for now (the Dewalt)?? When you come to upgrade you'll probably find you will sell it for more than you paid for it, that'd what happened with mine strangely after 5 years use it sold on eBay for more than the £400 I paid!! Awesome news about the Domino, it's a great tool
@@RagnBoneBrown it's the DWE 7492 it's the latest model I believe just checked and its coming in at 799 to 850 😳. Mine the same one you had the DW745 think that's about 500. I looked at the Domino on eBay and I might as well buy new for the price they go for 🤔
Hehe great! I remember us talking about this decision way back.💪😊. Happy for you for finaly upgrading. Cant wait to see new projects and the review!💪
I wish I had space for something like this in my shed. Sadly a contractor saw is about as big as it can go but I can watch people like you and enjoy these things that way. Looking forward to hearing how it turns out and I hope you enjoy it. Cheers.
Thank you
Great video and well thought out decision process. I'm also in the market for a table saw to last many years (but very much a hobbyist), but note that in Nov 2022 the cheapest equivalent Axminster table saw to the one you chose is double the price back in 2020 :( The equivalent non-sliding Axminster now seems to be £2.5k. May have to look at Charnwood which is a shame as I live only 40mins from Axminster.
That looks like a great table saw! Congratulations! I hope it works out well for you!
Hi Keith,
Good coverage of the decision making process - it can be surprisingly difficult making informed comparisons on such things as its almost impossible to get all the same bits of information out of the various suppliers, web sites and manuals. I hope you are pleased with the results, it certainly looks very pretty!
I was interested to see that both your top picks actually had the same 2.2kW power motors, yet one was classed as needing a 16A supply. Depending on the power factor of the motor, both should have a normal operating current of no more than about 12A. The normal issue with induction motors is that they draw a large inrush current at start up (which can be anything from 5 to 9 times the normal operating current). That can trip circuit breakers or blow fuses on some installations. It’s unlikely to be a problem on a typical UK 32A ring circuit (normal circuit breakers allow up inrush current up to 5x their nominal rating, so 160A gives plenty of head room), but might be on a 16A or 20A radial. If you do get trips, then one can normally change the MCB in the consumer unit for a “C” type device - these are designed to prevent nuisance trips on circuits feeding a high inrush current by allowing a 10x nominal inrush trip limit.
It will be interesting to hear what you think of it in use, like ease of blade changing or removing the riving knife, and how effective the dust collection is.
Do you know if you can run the fence on the other side of the blade (in effect giving the effect of being able to change between left and right tilt)? Is the arbour long enough to use a dado stack?
Kind regards
John
Looking forward to the full review as this is the saw that I have been considering purchasing :)
I don't think it was a surprise that you went for the axminster but I think you did the itech and SIP a disservice. You has the prices for those 2 red - Adding the cost of the extra tables puts the axy right bang in the middle - so the itech should have had a green box and the axy a red one for the pricing.
As I say I don't blame you for getting the axy - I probably would have done the same, but when evaluating stuff like this I do find myself doing similar things, kind of forcing the decision to the one I'd rather have or 'forgetting' about the extras you buy. Nice to see the axy, hopefully it'll give you years of great service. IIRC weren't Milwaukee going to send you their battery one (like the one Matt from Badger Workshop had)?
Awesome! You have the euro style fence, that means you should adjust the fence to the gullet of the saw blade or to the centre of the blade. :)
I need to double check on my saw (a Charnwood W619), but I'm pretty certain the sliding table can relatively easily be completely removed from the Charnwood tables. You can then slide the front and back fence/channels to the left so you can install one of the extension tables onto the left hand side of the saw - though this would mean the scale would be unusable. The sliding table definitely gets in the way, but I find it pretty helpful for the sort of work I do. The saw does have some other flaws though, and I'm pretty jealous of cast iron extension tables!
Ooooooh! I have been looking forward tho this video ever since you talked about getting a new saw! Now, back to watching the vid. :D
Perfect timing Keith 😁. I have spent the last year doing exactly the same, my shortlist was exactly the same as yours. And my final choice is exactly the Same and for the same reasons. Just got to find another 6 inches in my workshop and I'm good to go 😁. Thanks for the video Keith 😁👍
Well jealous looks great can't wait to here your feedback
I've used one of those Axminster saws and they are good for the money. If anything, you may find the dust extraction isn't perfect - but that comes with most saws!
That Lumberjsack saw looks very similar to one that used to be sold by a company called Lyndhurst in Hampshire. It seemed to be one man importing a range of exclusive machinery from overseas... People buying them had mixed experiences, both with the quality of the machine and customer service.
But with Axminster and others, you'll never go wrong and their technical team are always on hand to help. ;-)
Thanks for info. I am aiming for LAGUNA Fusion 3, but it cost about 2000 € in our country.
Nice choice mate. I've got a shappach tablet saw and it's ok for ripping down plywood and lite stuff but in terms of beams, it struggles a little unless I run through either side which lightens the load a bit. Great video chap
Great choice the axminster thicknesser is good as well
Hi I purchased the sip table saw probably 15 years ago and at the time was the best for the budget I had, it has been a excellent saw that's required little maintenance to keep everything aligned. One down side the plastic fence handle broke and trying to get a replacement was impossible, I received so many wrong parts that I eventually gave up. I might try Axminster as it looks like the same part
I can’t wait to see review , good choice 👍
Really enjoyed your video Keith - it is so difficult to compare such equipment.
Good luck with the Axminster
I bought a S I P 01574 saw secondhand about 6 years ago - it is identical to the Charnwood W650 and overall I have been very pleased with it. The men’s shed that I attend had a Charnwood W619 saw which you mentioned in your comparison. It seems to be an inferior saw with a poor fence system, smaller blade with less power and some issues with the blade raising function (however not many tools stand the rigours of a men’s shed for long anyhow)
As you say, a small sliding table spends a lot of time unused - it cannot handle large ply sheets and my sliding mitre saw gets preference for most crosscut jobs.
A couple of essential additions for a saw such as this
- retractable wheels are a must
- a decent out feed table is great - I made a fold down one fixed to the saw which was great but was kept up all the time and wasted the space under and tended to be used as an assembly table as well. I have recently removed this and built a combined outfeed/ assembly table with loads of storage under
- good dust collection is also essential
I have to say I really like the look of the Lumberjack.
I got the same one a year ago. Can't wait to see you make jigs four this saw!
Brilliant video Keith. I'm looking for a table saw for my small "DIY" workshop... And the lumberjack TS1800 looks a good fit but not enough reviews or info on it. For me the built in mobile base looks good...but the Axminster coupled with its mobile base does seem to give better quality and good support from the manufacturer too.
Choices...choices.... I may be watching this video a few more times yet.. and will definitely be watching your full review when you do that. Thanks.
Love this. I’m just about to buy a new band saw. Please do the same for the band saw, but only do it if you choose the same one as me!
Thanks I'm sticking with the bandsaw I have I think, been very happy with it
Hi Keith
Great video, a big hello from Lazy Elf Workshop in Suffolk
I have the Lumberjack ..its great...re-badged Rikon/Ridgid - I asked and got a discount - I also got a dado blade set off Amazon- it is a standard US bore. Great for a small workshop with built in mobility.
I had an old contractor-style saw that was branded Nutool and I imported a Dewalt/Delta dado blade set from the US. My own experience was great at first but soon I found it was just a pain to set up e.g. match the thickness, set the height etc. and it was much quicker & easier to use a router with a decent dado jig or use the router table.
Hi,
I would buy the lumberjack
I use the saw for oak and hardwood.
Can the motor handle this or not?
I can't quite believe I've never commented on this video! Anyway I was in Axminster in Nuneaton yesterday where they told me this saw has a new model coming along. Axminster are re-branding their lines into 'Workshop' and 'Professional' groupings. The AT254SB they had in the showroom was discounted but still over £200 more than the base price you found in 2020. It goes to show how much things have gone-up in two years. Anyway - this re-cap on your situation was in the name of researching table-saw review vids. I've a couple I'm keen to do.
Cheers Karl. Now I've sorted the first extraction issue, the biggest issue (issues in fact) I have is with the fence. The next model up looks significantly better, but the pricings are mad at the moment, and suspect they're only going up
@@RagnBoneBrown I'll d.m. you with an early insight into what I've decided on. But I was talking to the axminster guy yesterday who admitted the issue most customers find with all of their saws (including my choice) is pairing it with an extractor with too low and air-flow. As for the fence, the one in the shop seems different to what's on your saw - I couldn't be sure - and didn't really show the issue you described in the podcast. It might be worth speaking to Axminster while you're in warrantee. They replaced a part on another tool I have of theirs which had been upgraded since I bought mine.
Congrats on the new saw Keith!
Looking forward to the full review Keith 👍
I was looking at a record table saw for around £1000 them seam really good but I need to see one first. Good luck with your new saw.
Hi Keith I have many Axminster tools have found them a very good company to deal with the customer service is excellent you failed to mention their 3-year warranty which appears to be very extensive although I've had no need to use it just as a side note I bought the jet table saw and now wish I bought the Axminster I don't think you'll be disappointed thanks for sharing kind regards Shaun
I gave some thought to a new table saw recently, but I was able to "recondition" my jobsite saw and instead used my money towards some other much-needed upgrades in my shop. Still, I like how you broke this down and went through several models to compare and contrast the advantages and disadvantages from your perspective. I will likely need to do the same at some point so that I'm not blinded by "hype."
Extremely useful Keith!
Really great video Keith, very comprehensive and well explained explanation of what you chose and why - I definitely need to get a proper table saw soon, I know as soon as I do, I'll wonder why I didn't take the plunge earlier - clamping my fence to the bed is only fun for so long!
Also I'm really noticing how much better and more comfortable you are getting on camera - I don't know if filming outside or doing some segments off script are helping but its a great improvement :)
Thank you!
Yeah that's the one I'd choose too! If I had the space.
Looks great, Axminster stuff seems well regarded too overall.
The 25.4mm or 1 inch bore is the size of an Evolution Tools blade bore. I bought the Evolution Rage5 as I need to fold it away but drooled enviously over your new saw.😱
Whos a lucky boy then. Looks awesome hope it all works out for you
Thanks!
I recently got a new table saw as well. Sadly the fence broke. And I have no idea when I'm getting the new one in shipping. Congrats on your new saw!
Keith i have that SIP 10" tablesaw, i use it and a Draper dust extractor on the same 13 amp mains double socket in my workshop and has never given me any bother mate (comes with a 13 amp plug). Good bit of kit with a good fence and accurate.
Can't wait for your table saw review mate
I love a good spread sheet! 🙌
I think from your detailed list of all the saws, for me it would have been a toss up between the Axminster and the char wood also. Hope your happy with your purchase Keith
Cheers James
Almost all the 16A machines can run perfectly fine on a 13A plug. The last two had the same motor power...
I was rooting for the w650. The sliding carriage just gathers dust though to be fair - the crosscut sled is much more versatile
For me, a table saw without a sliding table isn't a table saw 😉.
In my small home shop I have an older swedish saw and I can crosscut 1244mm with the sliding table. I find miter saws way to inaccurate so I only use my table saw.
Your saw looks fresh and it seems to really fit your space. Treat yo self!
Nice run down and love the geeky analysis approach. I've just bought the Charnwood W629 for much the same reasons; getting shot of the inaccurate contractor saw and upgrading cast iron. The induction motor are amazingly quiet in comparison. First impressions are pretty good and the only bug bear I have found is that the riving knife sits about 10mm higher than the blade (apparently H&S) and will soon get "adjusted"
I bought the W629 a few months ago with less research but the difference to my work has been amazing. Consistent accuracy was my biggest benefit and the neighbours preferred the quiet motor .I replaced the insert and added a fixed riving knife to that with a second insert for 'dado' cuts. Slide is a now just a very heavy paperweight but replaced it with oak worktop extension and use hand-made sleds.
Interesting review of your selection. I narrowed my choice to the Axminster and the iTec. Went for the iTec. Very pleased with it. As you say it comes with the cast iron side tables but these are an extra at additional cost from Axminster. Like you I didn't need the sliding carriage. I had seen the Axminster saw but not the iTec, reviews indicated that they were basically the same machine so I was confident to buy the iTec unseen
Cracking looking saw Keith. I have the Charnwood W619 and love it. So if you did decide on the 650, I think you would have been on to a winner either way. i must admit I only discovered axminster in the last year and I cannot fault them at all as a company, absolutely brilliant to deal with. I recently bought their craft series planer/thicknesser and I am so pleased with it. I can see you wanting to work with them a lot in the future!
As usual Keith, very informative and well done. Love all your research. Looking forward to your shed build. Keep safe, Covid 19 doesn't discriminate.
awesome video like always mate, thanks
Mafell erika. Job done.
Super helpful - thanks man
Looking forward to the review video!
i'd love a sliding table on my saw
Nice one Keith, good choice. I would have been tempted by the Lumberjack (it will hold a Dado Blade) but i understand your reasons not to go with it... I have just looked at the link and can't believe it hasn't got a Flappy Paddle stop type of switch. I am sure you can come up with one yourself.. Give me a shoutout with dimensions and pics if you want one.... Enjoy your investment and stay safe
Cheers Paul. Do you mean the axminster? It does have a flappy paddle. It's very sensitive though every time I drop it the saw turns off 😂
Got the 315mm table saw from Axminster, with the same extensions set for that saw. Had it for 4 or 5 years, been good so far.
By 315mm do you mean the size of the blade please?
@@hughtierney9109 yes, I do.