Could you by chance tell us or make a video on how to limit powerdraw on the CPU via bios through PL1/PL2 and the other setting among those. I.e. Long/short Package power.
Definitely going all AMD this time. FYI check this out, I can get a ASUS Tuf Gaming X670E, a 7700X, and 32Gigs of 6000 CL30 at Micro Center today for a Cart Total of $648. The Ram is still free. Its GSkill. This is a waaaayy better deal than anything INTEL can offer. Even so i am committed to AMD this time. Cheers, Cheerio, Bobs Your Uncle.
Super glad for the purchase confirmation! I'm really happy with the 13700k. I need top single-threaded performance for those simulation type games, fast loading of apps in general, snappiness of Windows, and this CPU certain delivers, all the while providing excellent mixed use performance.
@@lucifersheadscarf6988 First time user of an AIO 360mm cooler. Idle is about 38c in Windows, games range between 50-70c, and an all-core stress test will max it out eventually peaking at 113c. HOT, but it is what it is.
@@lucifersheadscarf6988 It hits 5300 with a -100mv undervolt, so I think right at where it should be for the most part. I think I saw some cores getting 5400 at times, but not sure now. That's the supposed max boost.
I am very happy with my 13700k. Seems to be a good sweet spot. I almost dropped down to the 13600k, but figured that adding a little extra grunt would be better for long term usage. Price was not bad (£415 vs £329 for i5) Now I just need to wait for a good price on a 3080 or see how much 4070 sells for to finish the build.
probably getting 1000w psu and z790 mobo next month!which is great/best dd5 ram for it?using premiere pro and only 4k video editing!128gb too much or 68gb enough?
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 i got 128. its a lot. you can’t even clock it fast if you have 4 sticks, so I got the Micron naked sticks and EKWB chrome heatsinks
what specs do you have im thinking about buildign one myself but i doubt if i should get the i7 13700k ( i dont have a pc and dont know much about it , i want to stream too)
@@sodiumvapor13 Using the ASUS 240MM AIO, the 13700k idles in the low 30 C's. Gaming the 13700k runs around 60-70C. Cinebench when I first got the 13700k, pegged the CPU to 100C but didn't thermal throttle it scored a little over 30k on the test and HWmontior said it was pegging 100c but didn't log any thermal throttle. So.. I under volted the CPU by .05 mv. Now the CPU stays under 96C during Cinebench. I am probably going to get a 1700 socket frame and remove the under volt to see if it tames the temps during Cinebench. IF not I will leave the under volt it doesn't affect the performance but by 100 poin ts in Cinebench. Undervolted it scored 29910. The only time the CPU ever gets hot is running Cinebench and if I wasn't running HWMonitor I wouldn't even known it was hot. Temps stays fine with Time Spy, Firestrke, etc. Just Cinebench warms it up. Full disclosure I am in Florida so it is warmer here than most places.
I just got home from picking mine up, ironically all I'm waiting for now is the cooling paste since they missed it in my order...Have to wait till friday to assemble my darling :) Which of these tests best represent playing a game, downloading a movie and watching youtube at the same time. A normal usage scenario in other words.
My 13700K was able to undervolt by 100mV under "Instant 6GHz" overclocking on a Gigabyte Z690 board. Cinebench R23 score is still around 30900 with DDR4-3200 RAM. But CPU power draw is 230W and max core temperature is less than 90C using an air cooler Scythe Mugen 5. Try undervolting as it helps with performance by reducing the power draw and temperature.
The i7 is again my go-to as it has been for the last 10 years. Always solid, always remains relevant for longer than the i5 of the same generation, always headache-free. Now that the stellar single core performance is paired with the wider grunt of 8 E-cores, it really is the best of both worlds. And the power draw is virtually never that 250W level. When I have youtube and discord running on my second and third monitor and a game running on my main monitor, my 13700k is barely reaching 100W draw with a 100MHz overclock and a tiny .015V undervolt. The only time it reaches higher is when I run power viruses like Cinebench or specific stress tests. In practice, it sips power. Couldn't be happier. The great memory controller allowing me to run 6000MHz DDR5 with very tight timings and not a single snag is icing on the cake.
I got the 13700kf and have not been so impressed by an upgrade in years. I was on a overclocked 10700k before that ran at 5.1gig all core at 1.36v and ran at 80 degrees tops under stress. After some faff with an asrock bios where settings you make don't apply to the real world and lots of shouting I've got a 13700kf at 8 p cores at 5.4gig and 8 e cores at 4.3. Under cinebench my cpu bare goes above 80 degrees even though I'm pulling 250w and have a vcore at 1.4. That's impressive power to heat efficiency. Finally in gaming its night and day. I only run 1080p on a hosted up 3070ti and my frame rate has doubled in most titles. In doom eternal with everything turned my min frame has gone from 50fps to 200fps. In Shadow of tomb raider my min frame rate has gone from 70fos to over 150fps
@KitGuruTech I ran into the same issues as your raptor lake i7 with excess heat and a motherboard insisting the cpu needed unlimited power. I fixed it by turning off the motherboards dynamic ai overclocking feature that was clashing with intels base profile and limited my v core voltage. I'm now still using 250w on the cpu but my voltage usage is now only 1.4v and my temps don't go much above 80.
@@SmokeSolo1975 I forget the exact wording but Intel 'changed its advice to motherboard partners' when it comes to power and clock speeds so they can effectively do what they like. The fact they all go for more, more, MORE was quite predictible and also somewhat unfortunate. Intel is probably upset however it is, alas, out of their hands. TLDR enthusiasts are advised to do exactly what you have done and work to save power and heat Leo
@KitGuruTech it's such a shame that the average user will think high temps and noisy fan is just the norm. And if you don't have a top end cooler you will be losing performance due to thermal throtlling. It's like going back 10 years when noisy fans were the norm when in fact its not necessary any more.
I'm not going to repeat what I said in response to Luke's video on the Ryzen 7900 but I really think you should consider the upgrade costs - and performace hit - when the prospective purchaser can take their DDR4 RAM with them.
I would say 13700K is the best bang for buck! It’s closer in price to i5 but closer in performance to i9. Best performance per dollar is i7 when considering both productivity and games. However if games are only considered I would go for a much cheaper ryzen 5600 and use the extra money towards gpu.
I don't understand my 13700kf at stock gave me 30k+ r23 at default high temps of 90c and 240w draw I went into bios made msi lite load change from 9 to 1 I now get 30k+ on r23 but at 72c max temps and 190w draw
Thank you Leo!! Great review!! I still think temperatures are too hot for both brands, AMD and Intel - also at 86c.. But that can be adjusted, if you don't need peak performance.
Hey, KitGuruTech. Good an very interesting video. I am due an upgrade real soon. My 13 years old machine is sounding a little tied and concerning to me. I have built my own DAW's for music for years, but what really concerns my at this time is the Power consumption of these builds. 214 plus, give an take in wattages. With energy bills sky high. These numbers you displayed during your tests do concern me. Please, what's the average idle wattage of this type of CPU ?
Hey Leo, thanks for the review. I was wondering if you could help answer this for me as I've only ever been able to find people talk about the sometimes quite large performance difference of DDR5 vs DDR4 on a high end Raptor Lake system in relation to gaming performance but does this translate to productivity workloads too? Will using DDR4 3200 leave a lot of the 13700K performance on the table in non-gaming workloads?
I am thinking of building a new system for Unity / Unreal VR Dev. The i7 13700k is on my radar, but, I am concerned about the temps. I will happily undervolt the cpu but I am wondering if manufacturers are deliberately allowing the 13th gen cpu's to max out so that the synthetic stats look better in testing....therefore making buyers think the cpu's are far more superior. I don't have an issue with this generation, but, I am aware of the marketing folly involved to get people to spend £400+ for a cpu.
I have asus z790-a wifi mb and 13700kf and it was hitted on 100C on arctic liquid freezer II 360mm , I underwatt on long duration package power limit on 173watt and short duration package power on 253 and it's working perfectly lost scores is 800cores in cinebench r23 also I changed max cpu core temp from auto to 92C ... also 96sec to 10 sec ( bellow long duration pachage power limit ) , now it works on 173 watt max and here is max 80 - 85C on all core . which is perfect (-15-20C)
In light of the recent instability issue with the 13 & 14 gen Intel CPU, will you still recommend purchase of i7 13700K or 13700KF and Would i7 12700KF be a better option at this time?
makes you wonder how long it will be before intel drops the prices on the 12900k and KS models, can't believe I managed to sell my 12900k for £490 on ebay
I was able to overclock the i7 13700k to 5.5 ghz and 4.4 ghz ( P and E cores) while undervolting it making max voltage be 1.330 and minimum observed to be 1.260
The object of the exercise here is to review the CPU and there comes a point where we have to draw a line. You should also bear in mind that Intel probably sent me a decent or good CPU so fine tuning settings will move the goalposts even further away from the more average CPUs that will be out there in the wild. Leo
i5 13600k vs i7 13700 (non-k) help i cant decide.. Which CPU performs better in gaming? is the 13700 non-k faster than the 13600k? and if so, how much? and is the 13700 more future proof with the extra 2 cores? i've also seen that the 13700 consumes less wattage? so less wattage and more powerful than the 13600k, for the same money?? if thats the case, well then thats a win win? Where im from, they cost the same...
Hey Leo would you pay the extra for this yourself over the i5? I know you video edit a lot too, so i7 would be a better chip for this and gaming, right?
Personally I use a Ryzen 9 5950X because pure CPU grunt matters. I could easily be tempted to move to a Ryzen 9 7950X however I shall wait a while before I go through the whole upgrade cycle again. Leo
My intel core i7 13700K processore temparature between 30-40 degree celcius on idle time. But, when my cpu is more 80% temparature increasing to 100 degree celsius. How can I fix it? Processore : intel core i7 13700K Motherboard : Gigabyte Z790 Cooler : Thermalright Aqua Elite 240 WHITE V3 ARGB CPU Cooler
it hits my bank account very well this days: cuz 7600x with 6000 memkits and even someone can get 7700x in same price as 13600k+7000 to reach nearly the same anount of frames in games. 13900k vs 7950x kinda depends who's got cheaper energy flowin from outlet in long term usage...long term usage...pf...inside this thing only 8 cores that works properly in many task exept cb and adobe things maybe...idk...and only way to answer the question bout sweet spot is to realise how many cores can utilise ue5...and i'm thinkin not about things that someone send me to push in market increasing cost but the amount of cash i'm already spend that flushes in some goldcovered toilet.
Think something is wrong with the BIOS on your system....I've got a stock 13700K and it scores higher in the 10m CBR23 test at stock (~30.6k) pulling 1.266v and on just a generic Corsair H150i and around 82c...
We have BIOSes, plural. As shown in our video we used both Asus and Gigabyte (1.27V and 1.33V respectively). Which motherboard are you using and what is the CPU power level (sounds like 253W). It seems you have a rather good CPU. Leo
I am planning to upgrade my pc. I am going to use it for unreal engine 5(and for that instance is it better to go with ryzen 9 7900x or with intel i7-13700k) and gaming as well. Is i7-1300k good option for this type of pc build or should I go with ryzen 9 7900x? That is my limit budget wise. Thanks alot in advance!
You need to check our test charts as the answer is 'it depends'. You also need to take account of the current Black Friday price cuts as the Ryzen 9 7950X currently looks superb. Leo
It would be an unusal move but it isn't crazy. You can see from our charts that the step from 12th Gen i5 to 12th Gen i7 is huge and the upgrade itself should be simple. The only question is whether you feel the improvement is worth the cash Leo
thats an impressive processor, especially as an all rounder, but I agree with Leo, if all you do is play games at mid to lower res, the i5 seems the one to get. its relatively inexpensive too
I am looking to buy this cpu with a rxt 4090 would the Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX Motherboard be OK for this or is it worth going for the master?
I am using 13700K with RTX 4090 on a Z790 Aorus Elite AX and the 4K-Performance is awesome. I would recommend it. No need to spend 800 bucks for a mainboard. I do not OC the cpu.
I limitted the 13700K to 5.2 GHz and temperature go not over 80°C (Air-Cooled!). In real world I feel no difference to 5.3 GHz... For me that's the sweet spot.
@@alexanderg104 I use a NH-D15S. It was laying arround and I thought I try it. It works absolutely fantastic. The rest of the case uses Be Quiet Silent Wings 4 PWM. In normal conditions (even when I'm playing) I hear nothing from the fans at all. I play on an ultra wide monitor (3440x1440) and I limit the frames usually to something arround 120. So the graphics card (4080) usually uses about 80 to 100 Watt and the fans do in 90% of the time not spin at all. Of course it depends on what you're playing. I use the system for 100% sim racing...
I wonder if Intel is ever going to make power efficient and cooler CPUs instead of these hothead powerhogs, basically nothing changed since my 9th gen and 11th gen and with rumors of desktop Meteor Lakes having been cancelled which would have been true next gen on a smaller node... well.. might as well just buy a 7800X3D in April.
I think this i7 has horrible perfomance per watt for all core workloads. My i7-12700K at 150 watts: 22800 points for Cinebench R23 multicore. The i7-13700K, 30119 points for multicore at 258 watts or 72% more power than my i7-12700K for a 32% increase of perfomance.
I dont think so, if you are spending this much for cpu mobo etc. u should get at least 360mm aio. Or if u want "best" aio and your case fits it then choose ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 it costs like 120€
@@otto5423 nah I would, just want to ask. Rn using the u12s for my Ryzen and I like air cooling as there no liquid involved/ scared of getting stuff damaged but I know that’s not the case and I do like the ek 360 aios
@@otto5423 nah from what I’ve read up the artic and ek aios are the best lmao. And I don’t like how the artic one looks so I’ll go ek nucleus 360. It’s more than fine, check out benchmarks!
@@sol-hb8zg Sure no problem dude. If you like ek aios go for it. Which case you have? Its better to mount the aio at the top. Also you can undervolt this cpu its easy i have done it already, did drop over 10c. Also see if the KF version is any cheaper, if you don't need the igpu.
Moral of this review, watch what your motherboard is doing to your CPU, and your electricity bill. Have your Smart meter next to you as you dial back your Raptor Lake CPU.
Your benchmark scores are pretty bad for i7 13700k. I get considerably higher scores in all benchmarks with stock settings than you did and also your temps are 5-10C higher with better cooler than i have, (i use 240 AIO). Not to mention that my components are in closed case and you are using open test bench. For example in Cinebench R23 multicore (stock 253w) you got 30101 score and max temp 100C, while i got 31018 score and max temp 94C.
Tried overclocking and undervolting this and it just made stuff worse. I used Benchmark and after the test it said its underperforming and Overclocking is the way to go. Any thoughts or tips?
Power hungry while preforming the same as Ryzen in games, plus dead-end platform, which I was surprised was never mentioned in cons. No thank you. I would just go AM% and slot-in new CPU down the like with no other costs, like I just did with 5800X3D. Really awesome stuff. Bad review overall.
Why? Why would you love the 13700k? Is the 10700k, 11700k and 12700k not switching your pc on? Can you do spreadsheets better on the 13700k? O, you get 10 fps more on a game that allready gets over 100fps?! I upgrade my CPU every 4 years, and GPU every 2 years. My GTX 1080 I had 5 years actually. And only upgraded last year. Waste of money to buy the latest and greatest all the time
So let's say you built your PC in 2018 and think it is time for an upgrade and you are wondering about Intel 13th Gen vs. AMD Zen 4, well, here you go. Leo
torn between amd low power consumption adn intel high power consumption but also better power..but only for gaming....amd still?>>> 78003xd ? any advice? thx
Intel 13th Gen or AMD 7000 - who wins in your opinion?
I like AMD, but id say Intel with the pricing alone
Id say AMD overall, as you buy into the platform more than just the processor. longer lasting
I would say that consumers win!! Both are great options, and we got competition back!!
Could you by chance tell us or make a video on how to limit powerdraw on the CPU via bios through PL1/PL2 and the other setting among those. I.e. Long/short Package power.
Definitely going all AMD this time. FYI check this out, I can get a ASUS Tuf Gaming X670E, a 7700X, and 32Gigs of 6000 CL30 at Micro Center today for a Cart Total of $648. The Ram is still free. Its GSkill. This is a waaaayy better deal than anything INTEL can offer. Even so i am committed to AMD this time. Cheers, Cheerio, Bobs Your Uncle.
Super glad for the purchase confirmation! I'm really happy with the 13700k. I need top single-threaded performance for those simulation type games, fast loading of apps in general, snappiness of Windows, and this CPU certain delivers, all the while providing excellent mixed use performance.
What cooler are you using for it ? Temps ok ?
@@lucifersheadscarf6988 First time user of an AIO 360mm cooler. Idle is about 38c in Windows, games range between 50-70c, and an all-core stress test will max it out eventually peaking at 113c. HOT, but it is what it is.
@@videosbymathew have you monitored the clock speeds ? What kind of speeds do you get under load ? Very curious thank you.
@@lucifersheadscarf6988 It hits 5300 with a -100mv undervolt, so I think right at where it should be for the most part. I think I saw some cores getting 5400 at times, but not sure now. That's the supposed max boost.
@@videosbymathew 113 omg
I am very happy with my 13700k. Seems to be a good sweet spot. I almost dropped down to the 13600k, but figured that adding a little extra grunt would be better for long term usage. Price was not bad (£415 vs £329 for i5) Now I just need to wait for a good price on a 3080 or see how much 4070 sells for to finish the build.
Definitely worth getting the 13th gen, works great. Paired with a 4070ti it’s a beast 👍🏽
@@nocapshots Yes, just got that combo and confirm it's a beast!
Thank you for all the effort to clarify the data!
Just ordered the 13700K! coming from a 3950X it's refreshing to see the "midrange" punch so hard
probably getting 1000w psu and z790 mobo next month!which is great/best dd5 ram for it?using premiere pro and only 4k video editing!128gb too much or 68gb enough?
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 i got 128. its a lot. you can’t even clock it fast if you have 4 sticks, so I got the Micron naked sticks and EKWB chrome heatsinks
Nice how you take it through the build as you’re doing the review of the CPU.
good review leo, loads of detail. Hopefully can get one of these on sale between now and february
cant see that happening for a while, its only out.
That 115 watt performance is really impressive. Think that will be my default setting when I finally get around to picking one of these up.
Any reason why ?
I mean you can also find an in-between sweet spot
around 180w should do better. if you're going to limit an I7 to 115w, go with a I5 instead.
Finished my new 13700k build 2 days ago. Upgraded from 9700k.
Loving it!!
what specs do you have im thinking about buildign one myself but i doubt if i should get the i7 13700k ( i dont have a pc and dont know much about it , i want to stream too)
@@alexanderg104 Take a look at the 13600k too. Here is my build since you asked.
ASUS Tuf Z690 D4 motherboard, i7 13700k, ASUS Ryuo 240 AIO, Geil 32GB 3200mhz DDR4, ASUS Tuf 3080 12GB, 2 TB Intel M.2, 1 TB Adata M.2, 250GB Adata M.2 (OS drive), 3 Artic 120mm PWN PST case fans, Coolermaster exhaust fan, Enermax D.F. 850watt PSU, Corsair 4000d airflow case, Acer Predator 1440p 144Mhz monitor.
How are your temps looking at full load and gaming? Thinking about the 13700K, but I only have a 240mm AIO...
@@sodiumvapor13 Using the ASUS 240MM AIO, the 13700k idles in the low 30 C's. Gaming the 13700k runs around 60-70C. Cinebench when I first got the 13700k, pegged the CPU to 100C but didn't thermal throttle it scored a little over 30k on the test and HWmontior said it was pegging 100c but didn't log any thermal throttle. So.. I under volted the CPU by .05 mv. Now the CPU stays under 96C during Cinebench. I am probably going to get a 1700 socket frame and remove the under volt to see if it tames the temps during Cinebench. IF not I will leave the under volt it doesn't affect the performance but by 100 poin ts in Cinebench. Undervolted it scored 29910. The only time the CPU ever gets hot is running Cinebench and if I wasn't running HWMonitor I wouldn't even known it was hot. Temps stays fine with Time Spy, Firestrke, etc. Just Cinebench warms it up. Full disclosure I am in Florida so it is warmer here than most places.
@@auntiepha8343 Thanks for the response!
Great review! Appreciate the hard work.
nice review leo, bought one of your mugs too, looks great. drinking my tea with it today
I just got home from picking mine up, ironically all I'm waiting for now is the cooling paste since they missed it in my order...Have to wait till friday to assemble my darling :) Which of these tests best represent playing a game, downloading a movie and watching youtube at the same time. A normal usage scenario in other words.
bet you are excited. lucky man
Another brilliantly ambivalent review thanks guys.
My 13700K was able to undervolt by 100mV under "Instant 6GHz" overclocking on a Gigabyte Z690 board. Cinebench R23 score is still around 30900 with DDR4-3200 RAM. But CPU power draw is 230W and max core temperature is less than 90C using an air cooler Scythe Mugen 5. Try undervolting as it helps with performance by reducing the power draw and temperature.
The i7 is again my go-to as it has been for the last 10 years. Always solid, always remains relevant for longer than the i5 of the same generation, always headache-free. Now that the stellar single core performance is paired with the wider grunt of 8 E-cores, it really is the best of both worlds.
And the power draw is virtually never that 250W level. When I have youtube and discord running on my second and third monitor and a game running on my main monitor, my 13700k is barely reaching 100W draw with a 100MHz overclock and a tiny .015V undervolt. The only time it reaches higher is when I run power viruses like Cinebench or specific stress tests. In practice, it sips power. Couldn't be happier. The great memory controller allowing me to run 6000MHz DDR5 with very tight timings and not a single snag is icing on the cake.
I got the 13700kf and have not been so impressed by an upgrade in years. I was on a overclocked 10700k before that ran at 5.1gig all core at 1.36v and ran at 80 degrees tops under stress.
After some faff with an asrock bios where settings you make don't apply to the real world and lots of shouting I've got a 13700kf at 8 p cores at 5.4gig and 8 e cores at 4.3. Under cinebench my cpu bare goes above 80 degrees even though I'm pulling 250w and have a vcore at 1.4. That's impressive power to heat efficiency.
Finally in gaming its night and day. I only run 1080p on a hosted up 3070ti and my frame rate has doubled in most titles.
In doom eternal with everything turned my min frame has gone from 50fps to 200fps. In Shadow of tomb raider my min frame rate has gone from 70fos to over 150fps
Blimey that sounds like an impressive return on your investment
@KitGuruTech I ran into the same issues as your raptor lake i7 with excess heat and a motherboard insisting the cpu needed unlimited power.
I fixed it by turning off the motherboards dynamic ai overclocking feature that was clashing with intels base profile and limited my v core voltage. I'm now still using 250w on the cpu but my voltage usage is now only 1.4v and my temps don't go much above 80.
@KitGuruTech And by limiting v core I've been able to apply an oc aswell. So less heat and more speeds on both p and e cores
@@SmokeSolo1975 I forget the exact wording but Intel 'changed its advice to motherboard partners' when it comes to power and clock speeds so they can effectively do what they like. The fact they all go for more, more, MORE was quite predictible and also somewhat unfortunate. Intel is probably upset however it is, alas, out of their hands. TLDR enthusiasts are advised to do exactly what you have done and work to save power and heat
Leo
@KitGuruTech it's such a shame that the average user will think high temps and noisy fan is just the norm. And if you don't have a top end cooler you will be losing performance due to thermal throtlling. It's like going back 10 years when noisy fans were the norm when in fact its not necessary any more.
Bought one a year ago on black sale. Great cpu for gaming with my 4070 ti oc z790 prime- a motherboard 👌
Awesome. Enjoy !
I'm not going to repeat what I said in response to Luke's video on the Ryzen 7900 but I really think you should consider the upgrade costs - and performace hit - when the prospective purchaser can take their DDR4 RAM with them.
what?
Intel really have surprised me with this generation, its actually really solid. The i5 still looks the best bang for buck though. Good review Leo
I would say 13700K is the best bang for buck! It’s closer in price to i5 but closer in performance to i9. Best performance per dollar is i7 when considering both productivity and games. However if games are only considered I would go for a much cheaper ryzen 5600 and use the extra money towards gpu.
Thank you for this very great review Leo! Still waiting for you to test the 13th gen CPU on ddr4 motherboards and memory
I don't understand my 13700kf at stock gave me 30k+ r23 at default high temps of 90c and 240w draw I went into bios made msi lite load change from 9 to 1 I now get 30k+ on r23 but at 72c max temps and 190w draw
This processor came with my Raptor Canyon (NUC 13 Extreme)...and its a beast.
Excellent research and info. Thank you!
Oooh ..been Waiting for you guys to review this! 😀👍
Hold my hat! While i watch 😁😂
Thank you Leo!! Great review!! I still think temperatures are too hot for both brands, AMD and Intel - also at 86c.. But that can be adjusted, if you don't need peak performance.
happy with my x570 aorus elite 5900x 64gig ddr4 3600,i will upgrade in 5years at least
Amazing render times in blender serious amount of power in that thing.
Hey, KitGuruTech. Good an very interesting video. I am due an upgrade real soon. My 13 years old machine is sounding a little tied and concerning to me. I have built my own DAW's for music for years, but what really concerns my at this time is the Power consumption of these builds. 214 plus, give an take in wattages. With energy bills sky high. These numbers you displayed during your tests do concern me. Please, what's the average idle wattage of this type of CPU ?
awesome processor, still the one to buy IMO for all round, gaming and productivity
Thanks for such a prooer review.
Thinking about to make the move from 6700k to 13700k
Hey Leo, thanks for the review. I was wondering if you could help answer this for me as I've only ever been able to find people talk about the sometimes quite large performance difference of DDR5 vs DDR4 on a high end Raptor Lake system in relation to gaming performance but does this translate to productivity workloads too? Will using DDR4 3200 leave a lot of the 13700K performance on the table in non-gaming workloads?
which cpu should i buy for 6 years mostly gaming maybe a little 3d + vid edit?
I am thinking of building a new system for Unity / Unreal VR Dev. The i7 13700k is on my radar, but, I am concerned about the temps. I will happily undervolt the cpu but I am wondering if manufacturers are deliberately allowing the 13th gen cpu's to max out so that the synthetic stats look better in testing....therefore making buyers think the cpu's are far more superior. I don't have an issue with this generation, but, I am aware of the marketing folly involved to get people to spend £400+ for a cpu.
I have asus z790-a wifi mb and 13700kf and it was hitted on 100C on arctic liquid freezer II 360mm , I underwatt on long duration package power limit on 173watt and short duration package power on 253 and it's working perfectly lost scores is 800cores in cinebench r23 also I changed max cpu core temp from auto to 92C ... also 96sec to 10 sec ( bellow long duration pachage power limit ) , now it works on 173 watt max and here is max 80 - 85C on all core . which is perfect (-15-20C)
I cant believe how much power all these new processors take, along with the new Nvidia GPU's its like melt down city.
Yup, that is a common theme of our reviews and it is an unwelcome trend.
I using 13700k with turbo mode off but was amaze by the p core n e core . And lower wattage usage across but still get lots of performance
what cooler do you have will the Noctua NH-D15 be good enough ?
In light of the recent instability issue with the 13 & 14 gen Intel CPU, will you still recommend purchase of i7 13700K or 13700KF and Would i7 12700KF be a better option at this time?
Honestly this 13700k with undervolt and/or power limiting is an absolute no brainer
makes you wonder how long it will be before intel drops the prices on the 12900k and KS models, can't believe I managed to sell my 12900k for £490 on ebay
I was able to overclock the i7 13700k to 5.5 ghz and 4.4 ghz ( P and E cores) while undervolting it making max voltage be 1.330 and minimum observed to be 1.260
I might be able to go even lower in voltage offsets but i accidently ruiened the chip when i accidently pumped 1.6 volts into it for 20 minutes
Keep it up Intel
Loads of options in that bios would like to see what they all do.
Great review.
Did you try undervolting the CPU to get lower temps? That could be better than just setting a power limit. Or do both.
The object of the exercise here is to review the CPU and there comes a point where we have to draw a line. You should also bear in mind that Intel probably sent me a decent or good CPU so fine tuning settings will move the goalposts even further away from the more average CPUs that will be out there in the wild.
Leo
best reviewer on youtube, love me a bit of leo
With a B760 board is it worth it buying a K CPU or should I just buy a non K CPU like 13700?
i5 13600k vs i7 13700 (non-k) help i cant decide.. Which CPU performs better in gaming? is the 13700 non-k faster than the 13600k? and if so, how much? and is the 13700 more future proof with the extra 2 cores? i've also seen that the 13700 consumes less wattage? so less wattage and more powerful than the 13600k, for the same money?? if thats the case, well then thats a win win? Where im from, they cost the same...
I have 17 13700K in cinebench mark package temp reaching 100 degree…I have 240mm aio how do i undervolt ?
Ryzen 9 is good, this seems to hold its own and seems pretty competitive in pricing too. ill skip this gen I think
A killer cpu! An incredible upgrade from a 6600 😂 this runs kinda hot tho
Did Leo start drinking again? He looks so much happier than he did back in the day of the Intel 10th & 11th gen.
Hey Leo would you pay the extra for this yourself over the i5? I know you video edit a lot too, so i7 would be a better chip for this and gaming, right?
Personally I use a Ryzen 9 5950X because pure CPU grunt matters. I could easily be tempted to move to a Ryzen 9 7950X however I shall wait a while before I go through the whole upgrade cycle again.
Leo
What is the name of the Bench frame for motherboard ?
What's the best budget motherboard for i7-13700k in your lists?
For a Gaming PC with 13700k what GPU you will recon to use from Nvidia? I was thinking for 4080. What do you recon? Thanks
4080 is perfect for it or 4070.
Waited weeks for this then you release on the same day as GN. What are the chances?
The timing is slightly unfortunate!
Leo
My intel core i7 13700K processore temparature between 30-40 degree celcius on idle time. But, when my cpu is more 80% temparature increasing to 100 degree celsius. How can I fix it?
Processore : intel core i7 13700K
Motherboard : Gigabyte Z790
Cooler : Thermalright Aqua Elite 240 WHITE V3 ARGB CPU Cooler
Id still opt for the 5800X3D, seen it on some cracking deals lately too.
Oh, U like playing gaems in stunning 720p, cool
@@real13D what ?
Given your name is .. yeah sure
it hits my bank account very well this days:
cuz 7600x with 6000 memkits and even someone can get 7700x in same price as 13600k+7000 to reach nearly the same anount of frames in games. 13900k vs 7950x kinda depends who's got cheaper energy flowin from outlet in long term usage...long term usage...pf...inside this thing only 8 cores that works properly in many task exept cb and adobe things maybe...idk...and only way to answer the question bout sweet spot is to realise how many cores can utilise ue5...and i'm thinkin not about things that someone send me to push in market increasing cost but the amount of cash i'm already spend that flushes in some goldcovered toilet.
balanced review, seems like a good cpu, but the further down the stack you go, the more value for money you get. The i9 seems a bit pointless
Shame about the higher temperature does it affect performance / watt?
It does when the temperature causes the CPU to throttle. The bigger point is that the behaviour is wasteful and unnecessary.
Leo
Think something is wrong with the BIOS on your system....I've got a stock 13700K and it scores higher in the 10m CBR23 test at stock (~30.6k) pulling 1.266v and on just a generic Corsair H150i and around 82c...
We have BIOSes, plural. As shown in our video we used both Asus and Gigabyte (1.27V and 1.33V respectively). Which motherboard are you using and what is the CPU power level (sounds like 253W). It seems you have a rather good CPU.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech MSI MPG Z690 Edge Wifi; power level seems about right if HWInfo64 is to be believed
I am planning to upgrade my pc. I am going to use it for unreal engine 5(and for that instance is it better to go with ryzen 9 7900x or with intel i7-13700k) and gaming as well. Is i7-1300k good option for this type of pc build or should I go with ryzen 9 7900x? That is my limit budget wise. Thanks alot in advance!
With the with the recent drop in price for Zen4 go for the 7950x.
You need to check our test charts as the answer is 'it depends'. You also need to take account of the current Black Friday price cuts as the Ryzen 9 7950X currently looks superb.
Leo
@@Lewis360 yeah its a good point actually , some amazing AMD deals this week
Thanks, Leo! Is upgrading from a 12600KF to this a sane idea? I run a 3070 and I use my PC for work in Adobe suite.
It would be an unusal move but it isn't crazy. You can see from our charts that the step from 12th Gen i5 to 12th Gen i7 is huge and the upgrade itself should be simple. The only question is whether you feel the improvement is worth the cash
Leo
If the CPU says it's rated for 5600Mhz memory, what is the issue if any, to run 6000Mhz DDR5 RAM?
There's no issue, it's rated for 5600 at stock but basically any mem controller can do 6000 (note that ddr5 mems work in gear2 mostly)
thats an impressive processor, especially as an all rounder, but I agree with Leo, if all you do is play games at mid to lower res, the i5 seems the one to get. its relatively inexpensive too
I am looking to buy this cpu with a rxt 4090 would the Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX Motherboard be OK for this or is it worth going for the master?
I am using 13700K with RTX 4090 on a Z790 Aorus Elite AX and the 4K-Performance is awesome. I would recommend it. No need to spend 800 bucks for a mainboard. I do not OC the cpu.
@HelihunterX I got the same rig but I have done the one button 6ghz over clock
@@marinejunkies9625, tried it but it only overclocks 2 cores. For me its just a gimmick. I use it stock and wofks perfect
I limitted the 13700K to 5.2 GHz and temperature go not over 80°C (Air-Cooled!). In real world I feel no difference to 5.3 GHz... For me that's the sweet spot.
what cooler do you use im thinking about buying i7 13700k with Noctua NH-D15 cpu cooler? what do you think
@@alexanderg104 I use a NH-D15S. It was laying arround and I thought I try it. It works absolutely fantastic. The rest of the case uses Be Quiet Silent Wings 4 PWM. In normal conditions (even when I'm playing) I hear nothing from the fans at all. I play on an ultra wide monitor (3440x1440) and I limit the frames usually to something arround 120. So the graphics card (4080) usually uses about 80 to 100 Watt and the fans do in 90% of the time not spin at all. Of course it depends on what you're playing. I use the system for 100% sim racing...
You can keep stock perfomance and apply a huge undervolt.
I Just wanna whatever cpu my school used😂 thing was lightning ⚡️
I wonder if Intel is ever going to make power efficient and cooler CPUs instead of these hothead powerhogs, basically nothing changed since my 9th gen and 11th gen and with rumors of desktop Meteor Lakes having been cancelled which would have been true next gen on a smaller node... well.. might as well just buy a 7800X3D in April.
I think this i7 has horrible perfomance per watt for all core workloads. My i7-12700K at 150 watts: 22800 points for Cinebench R23 multicore.
The i7-13700K, 30119 points for multicore at 258 watts or 72% more power than my i7-12700K for a 32% increase of perfomance.
wow i really don't like the look of those temps, especially living in miami.
Why are you using a Radon instead of trying it with Nvidia?
For the last round of CPU reviews we used RTX 3080. For Intel 13th Gen and AMD Zen 4 we are using RX 6950 XT.
I think thst now are better choice 7900x then 13700k
Would an air cooler like the ak620 be ok for this cpu?
I dont think so, if you are spending this much for cpu mobo etc. u should get at least 360mm aio. Or if u want "best" aio and your case fits it then choose ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 it costs like 120€
@@otto5423 nah I would, just want to ask. Rn using the u12s for my Ryzen and I like air cooling as there no liquid involved/ scared of getting stuff damaged but I know that’s not the case and I do like the ek 360 aios
@@otto5423 nah from what I’ve read up the artic and ek aios are the best lmao. And I don’t like how the artic one looks so I’ll go ek nucleus 360. It’s more than fine, check out benchmarks!
@@otto5423 I most likely will get an aio anyway, I just wanted to ask
@@sol-hb8zg Sure no problem dude. If you like ek aios go for it. Which case you have? Its better to mount the aio at the top. Also you can undervolt this cpu its easy i have done it already, did drop over 10c. Also see if the KF version is any cheaper, if you don't need the igpu.
Use a contact frame und not so much thermal paste and you do not have 99°C
True enough and wouldn't it be nice if that was how motherboards were supplied. Also, if you use LN2 you can get the CPU really cold.
Moral of this review, watch what your motherboard is doing to your CPU, and your electricity bill. Have your Smart meter next to you as you dial back your Raptor Lake CPU.
Зачем мне смотреть мой счет за электричество? Лол
All the tech runs so much power now. Hard to win either with amd or intel.
@@real13D Well perhaps you appreciate a hot CPU that warms your apartment.
@@KitGuruTech yeah,I like that. My current gpu, 2060 super, is quite hot too. Lol. Btw I pay for electricity less than 0,1 EUR per kwh.
Your benchmark scores are pretty bad for i7 13700k. I get considerably higher scores in all benchmarks with stock settings than you did and also your temps are 5-10C higher with better cooler than i have, (i use 240 AIO). Not to mention that my components are in closed case and you are using open test bench. For example in Cinebench R23 multicore (stock 253w) you got 30101 score and max temp 100C, while i got 31018 score and max temp 94C.
any news on i3 13th gen
Not yet no however the rumour mill says CES i.e. January
Not so much with Star Citizen unfortunately.
Tried overclocking and undervolting this and it just made stuff worse. I used Benchmark and after the test it said its underperforming and Overclocking is the way to go. Any thoughts or tips?
Don't overclock. Just undervolt, the turbo frequencies already are insane.
Power hungry while preforming the same as Ryzen in games, plus dead-end platform, which I was surprised was never mentioned in cons. No thank you.
I would just go AM% and slot-in new CPU down the like with no other costs, like I just did with 5800X3D. Really awesome stuff.
Bad review overall.
I still think the latest AMD processors are the better ones to go for, or even the 5800X3D
The AMD 5950x hits the sweet spot even better…
253w TDP on the CPU? No thank you.
I dont get why people say z as zed. Its z.
He's from the UK. That's how they pronounce it.
🙂 GN says its an i9 in disguise or relabeled, shes a hungry chip too, just like the i9
That's a 12th Gen Core i9 of course and yes, I say pretty much the same thing
Leo
Why? Why would you love the 13700k? Is the 10700k, 11700k and 12700k not switching your pc on? Can you do spreadsheets better on the 13700k? O, you get 10 fps more on a game that allready gets over 100fps?! I upgrade my CPU every 4 years, and GPU every 2 years. My GTX 1080 I had 5 years actually. And only upgraded last year. Waste of money to buy the latest and greatest all the time
So let's say you built your PC in 2018 and think it is time for an upgrade and you are wondering about Intel 13th Gen vs. AMD Zen 4, well, here you go.
Leo
torn between amd low power consumption adn intel high power consumption but also better power..but only for gaming....amd still?>>> 78003xd ? any advice? thx