They Sold me this 2018 F150 for $8K Because it has a bad Engine! Were they Wrong?
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Another Manheim auction "sight-unseen" purchase for a steal of a deal! They claimed this engine has serious issues. Were they wrong? If so I just saved $13,000 on a 2018 F150 4x4 V8 XLT!
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Randy, the ticking noise in your truck is likely due to cam phasers, not rocker arms. Cam phasers affect performance by controlling timing. If necessary, consult a professional for assistance. Rocker arms have a different function in the engine; they don't usually cause ticking noises. They help open and close the engine's valves as part of the combustion process. Ticking sounds in an engine can originate from different sources like cam phasers, valve lifters, or other moving parts, but not typically from rocker arms directly.
The roller follower bearings go and if it hasnt been too long the cam should be ok.
They known for lifter ticks
THAT IS CORRECT. IT MAY HAVE A FSA ON IT FOR THE '18 AND A PCM UPDATE. Hope he SEE THIS . Post
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Hey Randy, not a Ford expert, I own a 98 Jag XJ8, my guess would be timing chain issue. If it's not a big deal I suggest you drop the oil pan when you do oil change. Maybe you will find some plastic down there?
Sold a Ford few years back. Guy that bought it came back a few days later with it having a nasty tick. We bought it back from him. Figured it was a stuck open valve or something. Long Story Short we let it idle and added some STP oil additive and after about 20 minutes the engine was running smooth. No problems after that. So sometimes these additives do work nicely.
Possible Cam phaser.
But you need to plug in scanner for codes.
Newish dealer here, I bought a 17 f-150 Lariat from Mannheim atl. Similar noise and it was the cam phasers! I had a certified ford mechanic replace the cam phasers and gear ($1700) and it ran beautiful. Sold Quick,I love a Mis-diagnoses
Pull valve covers and check your rocker arms/lash adjusters for play and your lifters
you cant adjust valve lash on most modern vehicles. its dealer "adjustment" only and thats just replace parts
overhead cam motor...
not a outdated ls1 style valvetrain
@@alt7488 You can't adjust lash on an LS1 valvetrain either.
well derr...
still a ohv engine not a ohc engine @@madmatt2024
@@myacidninjatheamazing1025 I'm saying to roll the motor over and check if there is a good amount of play from the followers aka rocker arms aka lash adjusters. If a lifter is bad you will be able to move the follower up and down and side to side a lot. You can also spin the bearing to make sure it's not messed up
I have 2018 f150 with this sound. I used 5w-30 pennzoil ultra platinum and it went down a bit. I did have to get my 10 speed rebuilt at 60k. You can get tow mirrors for like $150 to bolt on, and those are raptor wheels
When you first start the engine at about the 7:05 mark, the oil pressure gauge pops to the middle as soon as you turn the key to ON. AFAIK, it should stay at Lo until the engine has started and built pressure. May have a bad pressure switch or one that was 'fixed', so be careful of actual oil pressure. Failing pressure could allow follower noise if one of the hydraulic (lifter) supports has collapsed and gotten jammed. I would at least check pressure with a real gauge. tom
The old crown vics were the same way with their oil pressure gauge. It was just a glorified idiot light with a needle with no actual way of reading being between great and oil starvation.
@@ericharrison619 To my knowledge, the switch is open with zero oil pressure, allowing the gauge to stay at zero PSI. Turn the key to ON, and the switch is still OPEN, thus no needle movement. Start the engine, the switch closes, and the needle moves to the middle of its sweep.
In this truck, key ON and the needle goes to the middle of its sweep RIGHT NOW. Watch again near the 7:00 minute mark. Key is turned to ON, and talking continues. Needle moves to middle before ANY tach needle movement, actually before the tach and speedo needle sweeps to the end of their travel and back. My 90 Mustang kept the needle on zero until the engine started though it may have had an actual sending unit vs a switch. The switch in this truck is broken, and will show pressure when none exists. Cuz it DID that already.
I have a 2018 also and mine all stay at the bottom or at the reading until the engine starts. Like if I run to the store and park, then go to restart it, the needles go to the reading they would have shown if it was still running. when it starts and drops to idle, the oil pressure comes up and sits about in the middle. But mine is the base model 3.3 V6 non-eco boost.
My 2018 3.5L does the same thing. Switch on, straight to the center. As @ericharrison619 said, it seems to be a glorified idiot light.
A free solution to the tick is just blast the radio and you won’t hear it
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Timing chain tensioners on 5.0 were a problem from 2011 up resulting in piston valve handshake or engine failure.
Sounds like a lifter run some seafoam/engine flush and change oil possibly pull valve covers.
Have a buddy with the same engine combo, 2019 4x2....it started ticking at 6K and at 20K he took it to the Ford dealer, mechanic said that is common with that engine, no repair needed. At 161K he had the transmission rebuilt and has 200K on the truck now. Still running strong, smokes a bit at a cold start but otherwise a fine truck, he pulls a small 20' flatbed trailer a couple times a week.
I was told the same thing. Mine has 165k miles on it. 2 dealerships and 4 mechanics all say its normal.
Had that noise on one of our work vans. I put a hydraulic lifter cleaner in it and it went away. Really enjoy your videos Randy keep up the great work 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Sounds like lifters or rocker arm ticking on the top end
I agree with your diagnosis ... but the push rod length is probably the culprit , check the length of them for variance ...
thinking the same
@@danielbenyon6390it’s a DOHC motor. It doesn’t have pushrods.
That's exactly what it is go look up watch wes work and he worked on a truck that had exact same type of engine with that same noise only a lot more noticeable because the lifter had completely collapsed and shut down the number 7 cylinder so yeah that needs new lifters
Coyote tick has been proven to be lifter tick
15:39 "we're doing 45 on the fly 4 wheel high" bro just made a ryming song without realizing
I used to have a Older 2 cylinder John Deere Tractor that sounded exactly like your truck...😛
Engaging the 4WD high range on dry blacktop at speed is the best way to end up replacing your transfer case, Snow - Rain slick or Muddy gravel roads ok, but not while going 68 mph.
It's an on the fly 4wd. I've been doing this with my truck for years at 150k and it's perfectly fine
I'm absolutely loving the content you're bringing us thank you Randy
Hey Randy! Great video about a great truck. Hopefully you've found out by now that in 2018 the F-150's w/ the 5.0 had issues with oil use/burning and maybe now you can work with a local mechanic on a top end rebuild! We would love to see a colab with someone on the engine fix!
Doesn't sound any worse than a diesel engine. Another home run! Bought it for $8K, it's worth $20k and it needs a $500 tailgate. Doesn't sound like an issue to me. In today's vehicles, I would think the computers would sense a problem and throw a light.
Especially a f150 , they loooove throwing throw an engine light for anything .
I agree, just think like diesel….
Yep diesel sounds just like that.....
I have a 2001 Ford F150 supercrew with the 5.4 with almost 300,000 miles as long as you take care of these Ford's they will take care of you I love the way the Fords look too amazing.
That truck is an XL from the steel rims and black grille. XLT has alloy Randy and chrome grille. Platinum has a brushed silver grille
I think that moly flush will help. No check engine light is a good sign.
From what ive heard the 15-17 (or older) 5.0 with the 6 speed is the way to go for dead nutz reliability. I just last month bought a 15 with the 5.0 and 6 speed. From what ive heard after 2017 theres alot of a gamble with running thicker oil, additives, and all sorts of snake oil type products to quiet down the ticking. with that being said i havnt heard of much engine failure due to the ticking, just somthing they do.
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gen2 coyote/ 6r80 is ultimate
6 speed is way better the 10 is having issues
two things it can be either timing chain slap over slack or camshaft rockers wore to much.
I would pull out the cam phaser solenoids. I bet they were bad on oil changes which clogged the screens in the solenoids causing low oil pressure to the cam phasers and thus clattering. There should be 2 per bank at the front of each valve cover.
Could be a fairly simple repair
i have the same with my 2020 2.7 eco that sounds like worth a try any recalibratoin needed
but mine has 484000 km auction buy work truck out alberta
@@darrenyoung4893 shouldnt need any calibration. The solenoids are like $20-30us each. And i believe theres 4.
I would look over the rocker arms just to get an idea that its nothing to worry about or not.
I have an F150 and a Taurus. One thing I've seen with them is the noises never really go away. Parts cannon is what they seem to like.
Pull the intake manifold. It has a runner for each head with a butterfly for each cylinder. Those bushings wear out in that runner, chang your manifold.
Randy that truck needs timing chains trust me that’s the problem
Gen 3 coyote are notorious for something called coyote tick it occurs or just common use of the engine causes cam phasers to fail replace timing chains and phasers will fix your problem
Wouldn't that throw a code?
@@icyblu9836 If the timing gets out of whack, ya. Camshaft position, correlation, etc. Spendy!
It is actually very common, even on brand new 5.0 motors. Use thicker oil or use oil additive. We get this at our dealership all the time.
Oil is water if it is warm. 0-20 or 15-40?
That is definitely top end noise. Either cam phaser or cam follower. Also, inspect all the valve tips. They have a tendency to wear down, causing a loose rocker arm/cam follower. Also closely inspect the cams. You might have a badly worn cam lobe or two. I’m absolutely positive it’s a valvetrain issue. My neighbor had a 2019 F150 and two of the cams had worn lobes and 5 of the valves had badly worn tips. His 5.0 sounded exactly like yours. We got a pair of complete heads from Rock auto and they came with everything but the gasket kit.
Try Randy some Marvel's Mystery Full Synthetic Oil treatment. I've had great luck with it making lifters quieter and keeping it quiet. Usually put it in after a fresh oil change.
i would replace that pcv valve might be what caused your ticking it might go away unless damage already done
Randy a guy named ford boss me can tell you. He worked for ford a very long time. He is good
The old 5.4s use to make a similar tick. Try putting in a heavier weight diesel engine oil in it. Did that to mine and it cleaned up. Mine ticked at 60,000. I switched the oil and the tick was gone after 1000 miles. Running with 270,000 now
With the 10 speed trans just make sure it isnt banging into gear when its cold outside then the transmission will start to have problems if it does ( my friend has a 2019 ford f150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost twin turbo engine and the 10 speed transmission in his is banging into gear when cold)
the only thing it has going for it is the auto backup to a trailer. if you had the camera you line up the green circle with the trailer tung then put the truck in neutral then hold the button in the middle of the dial above the trailer brakes and it backs itself directly up to the tung of the trailer and you are perfectly lined up. saw a video of this and it makes hooking up a trailer very easy
That tick would cause me to form a tick😜 instantly thought of the 5.4 engine when you started it...more FORD.noises
To help with the transmission shifting issue, put the gear shifter in "M" (for manual) instead of "D" and select which top gear you want to be in while driving by pressing the buttons on the shifter ("+" or "-") and look at the dash to see which gear you selected and go for a drive and see if that helps with not shifting so much..
Considering the price, I'd drive it as is! Do the basics to it and put it to work. If it blows up in 50,000 miles, you still got your money's worth.
yeah if anything, add slightly thicker oil reflow the injectors and call it good
I was thinking the same. Just drive it, if it blows, it’s still worth what you paid for it.
@christopherhamilton5557 even then go to a salvage yard and those engines are a dime a dozen out of mustangs I think especially if they're rear ended
they have a similar TSB for my 6.7 power stroke. it’s not nearly as pronounced as this one is, but it happens only after some oil changes. that sounds like it might be more than the typewriter noise to be honest… like a lifter. i would have it checked out to be safe.
In other words, Ford's resolution is the driver should turn up the radio to cover the noise😊
I have a 2013 6 speed with the 5.0 it has 310 thousand miles on it but it still does not make that sound. That sound does not worry me I have a friend with a 2017 he uses for his business and his started making that noise at 90 thousand miles today that truck has 408 thousand miles on it and still going strong
I would at least pull valve covers and see 🤷🏼♂️
As a guy that works in the lawn care industry we have the same year 176k miles its just something common for coyotes just use thicker oil usually quiets them down a little unless you want too tear into it
Could be timing guide damage or stretched timing chain. Good buy no matter what.
Exactly what I was thinking. Timing guide and chain failures on these engines were fairly common once they got some decent miles on them.
It doesn't look that way no symptoms of a stretched timing chain or guides either way at 150k miles I would say the owner used it the right way
So I had a 2011 Ram 5.7 L with the hemi tick. I just kept changing oil and filters regularly. I added a thicker high mileage oil. It made a difference :)
I have a 2016 F150 5.0 with no tick, fingers crossed.
Probably not a major problem. Saw one video where the composite intake was defective. Line butterfly had too much play. Good luck!
Hey randy you can sell all the tool boxes from that truck 💯 💯 .I sell them all the time they never last . That will pay for your tailgate !!
That ticking noise… once I’ve seen a video of a guy facing the same issue in a mustang. He replaced two rear piston bearings and it was gone.
Before you try anything else drop the oil and put pennzoil platinum high mileage on it. You don't need to change the filter as it's appears that it was charged recently. I did have a morning ticking and pennzoil make it disappear.
Before I was using mobil one oil
Hydraulic lash adjusters. On the 3g Coyote, Ford intentionally reduced idle oil pressure for fuel economy reasons, at least from what I found on the 6G Mustang forum. Valve lash adjusters rattle as a result. Non-fatal issue, they'll run like that. It's also possible that some "expert" might have decided the Ford-spec oil was All Wrong and put something else in it, which could be causing the problem as well. I'd start with an oil change.
I see it's missing the cab corner on the driver's side. It could be a bad roller rocker faller. Take off the valve covers and inspect the rockers.
Add 5w50 full synthetic. You'll be amazed how much quieter it gets. I'm a 18 5.0 owner. 90k miles. I personally use 5w30
After reading some… if that’s piston slap, as suggested, it’s been doing it for some time now probably. 5w20 is recommended oil weight, go up to 5w30 with your Liqui Moly. That may tighten up the tolerance some. That’s pretty loud, May not stop it but it might quiet it down. I have used that on a noisy engine in the past, and it did work well. Again I’m not a Coyote expert- but I do respect the platform. Piston slap is not solved by anything less than a complete rebuild, it’s the skirts of the piston hitting the cylinder sidewalls.
could you pull the injectors leads one by one to see if its that makeing the noise best of luck
and pull the pvc and spray it with carb. cleaner to see if that will stop the clicking..
Coyote tick is a very common thing and they don’t have rocker arms because they are dual overhead cam motors
It sounds like upper end noise. Lifter, rocker arm, OR it could actually be an injector. Diesel injectors have been known to tick like crazy when they wear out. I would not call myself a Ford Coyote DI expert by any means, but I would say with the experience that I have (over 25 years working on vehicles) that the issue is one of the issues I just listed. Try to isolate where the noise is coming from, use a long screwdriver and put your ear against it as you prove different areas. To rule out injectors: If you can unplug an injector, unplug one at a time and if the noise stops, then you know what’s going on.
I’ll tell you this it’s definitely top end and I’ll check the rockers like everyone in the chat is saying. I had a Chevy Silverado did this very same noise and it ended up being a slightly bent push rod that was the reason it was making noise. I replaced it and still to this very day no noise.
Thanks for the video the 6 speed strong but 10 speed can be tuned by a tuner if you can’t adapt
Cam phasers work off of small oil lines to adjust them for load and rpm so I might add a can of moly next oil change to keep it from ticking
Personally I’d say that it’s not the coyote tick. This noise is much louder. And by the rhythm of the noise It would valve train/timing related. Could be faulty VVT phasers or something with the camshafts and valves.
If that it would throw codes . There would be a delay that sets it and using a higher feature Autel or Ford rotunda tool you can advance and retard and if this is phasers you could play a nice toon.
Don’t ask how I know this lol 😂
I do not know these engines, but I had the same issue on a few different other engines with the roller bearing rockers , and i just replaced those rockers and no issue further. relatively easy to replace. I even replace them these days without even removing timing, but you need to know the know how to do it. I will watch further and hear what it is.
Go with a little bit heavier oil and add Lucas synthetic. Works great for me
Sounds like what Dodge used to say about the hemis
the dodge hemi tick is caused from TO MY KNOWLEDGE snapped exhaust manifold bolts
or its caused by seized roller lifters that chew the cam lobes
They all give the run a round..Toyota says its normal for their cars to burn oil form new,yes even a Prius burns oil to the Camry,not all like the ticking Ford/Dodge/Chevy but Toyota has a faulty piston ring issue that destroys the engine,lowers performance,compression knocks,ticks slaps.
Possibly timing chain slack. My 2013 had that. Luckily it was caught before any damage was done. Known issue with timing chain stretch on the 5.0’s. Not a cheap fix but way cheaper than a new truck! Cam phasers and chain guides replaced as well. Might as well while it cracked open!
randy..i enjoy your videos daily..i wish you would make a video with each vehicle youve purchased and say what you paid then what they were sold for ...im always curious about your win percentage , im sure its pretty good
Just to give yourself a little reassurance, I would hook up a scanner to it Randy to see if there is any codes. Couldn't hurt. 👍
Lots of things that could be , sometimes the belt tensioner makes noise . Not usually in time with the RPM but they are easy to check .
Get a piece of hose and go searching for where the noise is loudest. Start there when you find it. Probably timing chain. I don’t know.
I’d check the rocker arms and gently shift the lifters with your fingers to see if there is excessive wiggle and play.
Sounds like it could be the issue if it’s on the top end.
It’s a dohc it’s doesn’t have rockers or pushrods
A buddy of mine had a 2018 F-150 5.0 with 160k miles. Started tapping so he took it to a Ford dealer. They told him it was the fuel system. Two days later, his timing chain tensioner failed and his engine locked up.
Like someone else said, run some injector cleaner (at a higher concentration than the normal.
And maybe some hidraulic lifter additive.
I would make sure it has the right oil, Fords tend to use really thin oil and I've seen shops use the wrong one on more than one occasion.
maybe they thought it was the 5.4 and where up for cam phazers,
timing guides and all the other fun things from that series
I remember reading an article about the Ford announcement on the introduction of the 10 speed transmission. I think it may have been Car and Driver and they asked the Ford spokesman if the new transmission offered improved fuel mileage or better emissions. The answer was not a significant amount on either. The article basically said it offered few benefits with a significant increase in complexity. Then owners were reporting a lot of problems on the early models with the transmission including cases where Ford was buying trucks back with certain problems. There were videos on UA-cam about it. Then GM using the same design at least initially reduced the number of gears used on their version of the transmission. I'm not sure where all of that stands now but I would think most of the problems have been worked out by now. As far as the ticking I have seen reports of various problems with the Coyote engine over the years since it was introduced including the ticking. Maybe someone who works on them regularly could comment on what the worst problems actually are and how to fix those problems.
Check the exhaust manifolds they are known for bolts breaking off.
Always gotta click as soon as I get the notification😂
Coyote tick….. they also say a “time bomb” ticks…. Both quite normal!
normal....lol. Good luck!
I think six speeds were perfect I've got it Genesis G 80 with the eight speed and it sure seems to do a hell of a lot of shifting
Had a 2012 f150 5.0 that had the same noise. Rebuilt the engine found that the right head (passenger side) had a lot of wear on lash adjuster bores, replaced head and opened the hole on head gasket so oil wouldn't be restricted noise went away
This truck worked hard but still has some great life on it. Great purchase! I love that era of Ford gauge displays.
do the cheapest option first, grab some high quality full synthetic 20w50 oil and see how it goes, even though the Coyote engine is a low tolerance engine 20/50 won't hurt it you can always add the "Snake oil" if the 20w50 doesnt quiet it down.
This is something like what I was going to suggest as well. I've got a 2011 coyote. I run 5w30 but I put in 2 or 3 litres of 15w40 during oil change and it definitely keeps it quiet.
@@leol6406 yea 15w40 would be the first choice actually, unless that coyote has done around 250,000+ miles then I'd use 20w50
It almost sounds like cam phasers… but if the engine is not down on power at acceleration most likely not them. It does sound like valvetrain noise… hell Randy do the old school technique by using an old wooden broomstick and place to your ear and check areas around the engine while idling… you know what I’m talking about…
Timing chain slap
That tick is either severe injector knock a bad intake manifold or a sticking lifter
Sounds like "throw in some lucas, turn the radio up, and drive it till the wheels come off"
These don't have traditional rockers. These have roller followers that can go bad flat spot, the roller, and eventually flaten cam lobe. Wouldn't take much to pull valve covers and check.
you might not get this comment but try putting a little thicker oil in it like 0w-20 sometimes that can actually take the sound completely away i did that to my 2000 silverado and it doesn’t tick anymore and the oil pressure works like normal now
Both eco boost are way more reliable in the 18-21 f150s. 5.0 had a lot of issues that run
Randy change out spark plugs and wires 1st , check the coils fuel injectors do a compression test on all cylinders the driver side tic is louder, a engine rebuild kit is not to bad on the price if you do the repairs
Same with the hemi tick lol. Could be a broken bolt on the manifold causing an exhaust leak
Hello Randy. The 2018 Ford F150 is a good looking truck. It's a 4x4 with a Cayote engine. Let's see if it will run and drive.
When the rpms are 600 your going to get the diesel sound especially with 156k miles, But just check the idle module, to see if its function is correct.
I love your content, as a copart member I welcome any information from your channel, thanks.
I had a mustang that had the same typewriter tick, put in a bottle of liqui molly ceratec with a fresh oil change (put in slightly thicker oil as well) and the noise was gone.
Little sea foam in there 50-100 miles before you replace and throw some fresh oil, and you’ll be golden.
G'morning Randy ☕☕ 🤠 . I think you need to pop that valve cover off and check the rocker arm valve lash setting or possibly replace that lifter . It's a little monotonous and time-consuming but it's straightforward and easy to do 😋
Something you might want to do is check the oil if you haven't already. Then get a long screwdriver, or reasonable sub, and then touch the tip to various areas of the engine with your ear touching the other end of said probe.
And then, like the old Dick Vav Dyck show piece" grab a chicken and swing it around your head while saying .......
I would love to see you do one of them engine cleanings the one where you empty some oil out then put the cleaner in and run the engine at a certain RPM.
That tick is known as the death tick but I had a 100,000 on my truck that was doing the same thing when bought before the #8 cylinder fuel injector stuck open and ruined the motor, so I'd say compression check it and run it!