Ranking Every Western Roman Emperor From Worst to Best

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  • Опубліковано 2 сер 2021
  • It would only be right of me to make a ranking of the Western Roman Emperors after I had already done one on the Roman Emperors. So here it is, hope you enjoy it.

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  • @mitchellline4242
    @mitchellline4242 2 роки тому +1065

    "Lets rank the Western emper-"
    Everyone: "Majorian is number 1"

    • @johncarlollavor2146
      @johncarlollavor2146 2 роки тому +122

      And Honorius the last, always.

    • @unhingedegoist
      @unhingedegoist 2 роки тому +26

      @@johncarlollavor2146 an argument could be made that honorius > valentinian but i personally also think honorius is slightly worse

    • @magistermilitum1206
      @magistermilitum1206 Рік тому +1

      Yea like we didn't knew all this crap lmao

    • @-NovaRoma.
      @-NovaRoma. 4 години тому

      ​@@unhingedegoistI mean honorius took a somewhat healthy empire and destroyed it at least Valentinian took a dying empire

  • @schrodingersmoose
    @schrodingersmoose 2 роки тому +1360

    Majorian is such a tragic figure, he's one of my favorite Roman Emperors because he's such an interesting what if scenario

    • @querlimfranco8466
      @querlimfranco8466 2 роки тому +96

      he could have been an Aurelian Restitutor Orbis

    • @Vini-zv3lr
      @Vini-zv3lr 2 роки тому +133

      @@querlimfranco8466 I think he might have secured at least Italy and Spain for sure. Guy was a fucking wizard on the battlefield.

    • @brandonjade2146
      @brandonjade2146 2 роки тому +92

      Majorian was the last hope, i wish there was more information on him and his story because the web doesnt seem to have alot where i have looked

    • @theromanorder
      @theromanorder 2 роки тому +23

      Or you coyd say majorian is a very major figure 😂😂😂😂

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 2 роки тому +28

      @@Vini-zv3lr There’s no way he could get Spain without Gaul. And seeing as how Aegidius riled norther Gaul and he’d retaken much of the rest I think Gaul would certainly be secured. And without the betrayal he’d definitely of retaken Africa.

  • @SamuelChac0n
    @SamuelChac0n 2 роки тому +215

    So it only lasted for 80 years and 60 of them ruled by the two worst roman emperors ever, no wonder why it fell

  • @Quanbe77
    @Quanbe77 2 роки тому +1084

    that's so sad that horrible emperor like honorius get to have a really long reign but excellent emperor like aurelian or majorian get betrayed because of their own success

    • @blackkennedy3966
      @blackkennedy3966 2 роки тому +97

      a weak leader is easy to control. thats why strong and competent people like julius got killed. wasint because he was a "tyrant" and they wanted to keep the defunct republic. it was a power grab. and nobody knew what to do after he was killed. "now what"

    • @BondiJames
      @BondiJames 2 роки тому +68

      @@blackkennedy3966 Nobody... Except the divine Augustus 😎

    • @kinggundragon3728
      @kinggundragon3728 2 роки тому +74

      @@BondiJames Eh Constantine the great ruled a full life time and later emperor Justinian tho they all had the same problem bad heirs.

    • @natejones963
      @natejones963 2 роки тому +23

      Honestly I don't think Honorius is as bad as we think he is. Alot of his information is written by those who came after. I think honorious is better than valentinian...But thats because he had enough sense to atleast leave Stilihco alone for a while

    • @Quanbe77
      @Quanbe77 2 роки тому +52

      @@natejones963 valentinian III is probably by far one of the worst emperor ( in comparison with honorius ) pretty much making only bad decision with his mother ( who was the real one who ruled) in particular killing aetius who just saved the empire from Atilla

  • @WhittyWhitts
    @WhittyWhitts 2 роки тому +1287

    If Majorian was never assassinated maybe his reign would be known as the “Majorian Restoration”.

    • @stevengrant4117
      @stevengrant4117 2 роки тому +316

      Girls with time machine: I can see my great grandma!
      Boys with time machine: We must save Majorian!

    • @arkcliref
      @arkcliref 2 роки тому +77

      @@stevengrant4117 That's actually what will I do

    • @user-cu6ij1ui4i
      @user-cu6ij1ui4i 2 роки тому +8

      @Gaius Octavius bro what

    • @robertwang6855
      @robertwang6855 2 роки тому +9

      @Gaius Octavius yes. good. i like when horrible genocidal regimes collapse dude to their own ineptitude

    • @leek6927
      @leek6927 2 роки тому +2

      Gaius Octavius Real legends with a time machine: let’s go kill hitler!

  • @cole8834
    @cole8834 2 роки тому +345

    Stilicho and Aetius kept it real. Respect.

    • @byzantineboi8345
      @byzantineboi8345 2 роки тому +36

      Aetius yes a based tragic hero, however I disagree with Stilicho, I have to be the only person alive who doesn’t like him.
      To shorten the details I think he’s overrated and a precursor to guys like Recimer, Aspar and eventually Odoacer
      Also I’m 70% sure most people on YT only know him from Dovahhatty

    • @byzantineboi8345
      @byzantineboi8345 2 роки тому +10

      @Amirul Asyraf Zulkifli I never said I hated the Germans, I do like some like Theodoric and the Ostrogoths. I was saying that I don’t really like stilicho not because he’s half-German, but because how people seem to think he’s this amazing Roman hero mostly due to Doavhhatty. Plus Stilicho, Aspar and Recimer are in a complete different category from the other Germanic tribes and their leaders. They weren’t the heads of tribes didn’t act with any allegiance to the Germanic tribes, their only allegiance was their own self interests and power, not making new kingdoms for Germans.

    • @denizmetint.462
      @denizmetint.462 2 роки тому +23

      Aetius and Maiorian were the greatest yet also the most tragic Romans of the 5th century A.D.

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 2 роки тому +42

      @@byzantineboi8345 What was wrong with stilicho? And no, I don’t know home through Dova. I’ve know about him since I was a kid and watched Rome: Rise and fall of an empire. He was the one who kept Rome from falling to shit right away and did his damn best to deal with everything thrown his way. Sadly he got screwed over. If not for his eastern counterpart he would’ve killed Alaric and ended the Gothic threat. From there he could’ve handled the migrations far better than things went iotl.

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 2 роки тому +23

      Don’t forget Constantius III, he was only emperor for a few months but he’s the reason why Rome didn’t fall right after 410. If he didn’t die Rome could’ve recovered.

  • @youvebeengreeked
    @youvebeengreeked 2 роки тому +982

    Messenger: “Sire! Rome is lost!”
    Honorius: “OH NO! He was my favourite!”
    Messenger: “What shall w… wait what? “He”?”
    Honorius: “My dearest chicken, Rome! What will I do without him?!”
    Messenger: “… No, the CITY of Rome has fallen. Your chicken’s fine.”
    Honorius: “Oh, thank God!”
    The worst part is that I didn’t make that up. THAT’S why he’s at the bottom of this list.
    *Fuck this guy, for real.*

    • @iwillhealyou...butlater3643
      @iwillhealyou...butlater3643 2 роки тому +138

      To be honest, this particular moment is just a cherry on top of a shitstorm that was his rule.

    • @ErnestJay88
      @ErnestJay88 2 роки тому +119

      the worst part is, what you said is a *historical fact* according to many Romance Historian.

    • @causantinthescot
      @causantinthescot 2 роки тому +51

      Honorius was horrendous

    • @be2081
      @be2081 2 роки тому +12

      Didn't Procopius said that,
      Didnt he also SAY Justinian was a headless Demon

    • @TheNirvanafan27
      @TheNirvanafan27 2 роки тому +23

      Wait shit that actually happened, thought it was just a meme

  • @Whurlpuul
    @Whurlpuul 2 роки тому +522

    I love how you sound genuinely depressed that marjoran didnt get his time in the sun

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 2 роки тому +51

      One of history’s greatest What Ifs

    • @denizmetint.462
      @denizmetint.462 2 роки тому +36

      I believe Maiorian could've turned the tables, at least to certain degree, had he not been betrayed and assassinated.

    • @GenghisKaz
      @GenghisKaz 2 роки тому +36

      Yeah but who isn't depressed about Majorian

    • @Outlaw8908
      @Outlaw8908 2 роки тому +21

      Because it’s one of those moments in history that a nation gets a chance to save itself in some way. Ricimer was that much of a short sighted fool.

    • @athiocordatus9572
      @athiocordatus9572 Рік тому +5

      @@Outlaw8908 Ricimer also has to face all the flak from those Italian landowners whose investment in Majorian now sits at the bottom of Portus Illicitanus. If you want to blame anyone, maybe Gaisareiks would be better than Ricimer.

  • @connorgolden4
    @connorgolden4 2 роки тому +328

    Majorian is such an interesting figure. Despite being preceded and succeeded by unlucky, incapable, or terrible emperors Majorian damn near turned it around. He proved to be a skilled commander, diplomat, and statesman in his short but active reign. IMO without being betrayed he would’ve retaken Africa, which could’ve guaranteed the empires survival due to the wealth and prestige gained from it.
    Also, tbf to Constantius III he did stabilize the empire in the aftermath of the first sack. He was able to put an end to the Visigoths rampage, made them an “ally” and set them loose on the other barabians. This weakened the barbarians and gave Rome time. He took a messy and dying empire and breathed a bit of life back into it. If he’d lived longer the civil war that followed would’ve been avoided and Africa wouldn’t have been lost so I think the collapse could’ve been avoided.

    • @erwannthietart3602
      @erwannthietart3602 Місяць тому

      ​@@ari3903tbf, Gaul was only partially lost, the North held on and he left someone loyal and talented enough to hold it in his stead, so competant that he cut his ties to the Empire after the assassination of Majorian and if it wasnt for the fact that he was far from Rome and he only had one army thus leaving Gallia defenceless if he left, wouldve attempted to take Rome back ^^, he then died after retaking temporarly Lugdunum and preparing a counter offensive against the Visigoth

  • @feastguy101
    @feastguy101 2 роки тому +123

    This is the part of Roman history that gives me the big sad

  • @compatriot852
    @compatriot852 Рік тому +21

    The death of Majorian is the equivalent of if Basil II got murdered before doing anything

    • @jadenl3190
      @jadenl3190 Місяць тому

      Or more accurately, if Basil II got killed halfway through conquering Bulgaria only to be followed by his useless brother

  • @kv8441
    @kv8441 2 роки тому +127

    Always found it funny how the very last western roman emperor to rule...was named after not just Romulus but also the 1st emperor Augustus , i think the irony is pretty clear 😅

    • @janMeso
      @janMeso 2 роки тому +6

      Augustus was just the title. All other guys also had it

    • @kv8441
      @kv8441 2 роки тому +1

      @@janMeso oh yeah good point

    • @signodeinterrogacion8361
      @signodeinterrogacion8361 2 роки тому +13

      @@kv8441 Kid was just Romulus, but we call him augustus to differentiate him from Romulus the king

    • @liviuganea4108
      @liviuganea4108 2 роки тому

      @@signodeinterrogacion8361 Alleged kings. It's obvious aliens were the first kings.

    • @signodeinterrogacion8361
      @signodeinterrogacion8361 2 роки тому

      @@liviuganea4108 I...

  • @wdcscw9123
    @wdcscw9123 2 роки тому +95

    1:41 Honorius
    2:52 Valentinian III
    3:28 Petronius Maximus
    4:04 Constantine III
    4:33 Romulus Augustulus
    5:01 Joannes
    5:21 Avitus
    5:49 Libius Severus
    6:06 Olybrius
    6:16 Glycerius
    6:32 Julius Nepos
    6:56 Anthemius
    7:22 Constantius III
    8:19 Majorian

    • @jahterminatedlmao5473
      @jahterminatedlmao5473 2 роки тому +6

      Personally i would have it like this
      14 - honorius
      13 - petronius maximus (was advising valentinian iii)
      12 - valentinian iii
      11 - olybrius (vandal puppet who wanted to be a puppet)
      10 - libius severus (wanted to be a puppet)
      9 - constantine iii
      8 - joannes
      7 - avitus
      6 - romulus agustulus (unrankable)
      5 - constantius iii
      4 - glycerius
      3 - julius nepos
      2 - anthemius
      1 - majorian

  • @vondantalingting
    @vondantalingting 2 роки тому +48

    The biggest lesson I've learnt in Roman history is to always bring with you a legion of near meatheaded loyal bodyguards, never leak your location, and always be wary of talented but disloyal people if you're the Emperor.
    Also, never trust your partner's, senate, rich politicians, independent officers. They always had the knife.

  • @romaaugustus1694
    @romaaugustus1694 2 роки тому +108

    Constantius III was a badass general, he almost won back spain and he and Galla Placidia could have been a good match on the throne. His early death was a tragedy for the empire too.

    • @septimiusseverus343
      @septimiusseverus343 2 роки тому +18

      Totally agreed. Had he lived, he might have been able to prevent the Vandal conquest of Africa, which IMO broke the back of the WRE and hammered the nail in the coffin.

    • @BritishRepublicsn
      @BritishRepublicsn 2 роки тому +1

      @@septimiusseverus343 Ave Caesar

    • @causantinthescot
      @causantinthescot 2 роки тому +3

      @@septimiusseverus343Ave Claudius II Gothicus 2.0, Constantius III!

    • @laughsatchungus1461
      @laughsatchungus1461 Рік тому

      Galla Placidia is a based Roman queen. She should've been the first empress.

    • @lugiasimply6054
      @lugiasimply6054 Місяць тому

      Well idk about that. Galla Placidia was also another manipulative person behind people’s backs, her regency over her son Valentinian III proved to be a disaster.

  • @samlund8543
    @samlund8543 2 роки тому +98

    3:15 I’d say Honorius is worse; Valentinian, for all his incompetence, at least has the excuse of being emperor AFTER Honorius, so it wasn’t like he took a stable empire and destroyed it singlehandedly.

  • @ArvelCrynyd
    @ArvelCrynyd 2 роки тому +160

    Say what you will about Honorius, at least the man was good to his chickens.

    • @arkcliref
      @arkcliref 2 роки тому +54

      He even named one of them "Roma", when the announcement that Rome was sacked reached him, he thought it meant his chicken was killed, and when informed it was the city, he breathe a sigh of relief.

    • @rotciv1492
      @rotciv1492 2 роки тому +33

      @@arkcliref I can't believe that reaction as other than a made-up tale to badmouth him, but well... he really did deserve to be badmouthed. And that story is damn funny xD

    • @arkcliref
      @arkcliref 2 роки тому +5

      @@rotciv1492 yeah, he's so bad he deserved it. And that's from a person that thinks that Nero's perception is too harsh.

    • @rotciv1492
      @rotciv1492 2 роки тому +13

      @@arkcliref "Harsh" depending on the basis used to judge him.
      As an emperor, a "princeps", the man who was put in charge, he was completely useless and untalented.
      But, contrary to the vast majority of useless untalented folks put in power who screwed things up, Nero was very aware of his lack of capabilities to rule so he let his staff rule for him. That can be considered a talent in his circumstances.

    • @aaronTGP_3756
      @aaronTGP_3756 2 роки тому +4

      And Nero realized: If I can't be competent, then I will be popular instead!
      And it worked, until around the end of his reign.

  • @chrischatzisavvas2334
    @chrischatzisavvas2334 Рік тому +16

    Ricimer to Majorian: "Have you ever heard the tale of Darth Arminius?"

    • @flickcentergaming680
      @flickcentergaming680 11 місяців тому +6

      I thought not. It's not a story that the Praetorians would tell you.

  • @smavi4133
    @smavi4133 Рік тому +11

    3:40 when Rome was ruled by a gigantic anthropomorphic wasp

  • @Bardockfan150
    @Bardockfan150 2 роки тому +40

    Of these, Glycerius is actually my second favorite. Before and after him, the empire was actively and quickly shrinking. In his reign, he was at least able to just about preserve what he had.
    The standards are obviously sky high here.

  • @999mi999
    @999mi999 2 роки тому +53

    Very good video. Don't give up, the algorithm will pick you up eventually.

  • @cromusician6153
    @cromusician6153 2 роки тому +65

    a detailed video on Majorian would be amazing

    • @explainingstuffsteven8996
      @explainingstuffsteven8996 2 роки тому +1

      Facts

    • @samlund8543
      @samlund8543 2 роки тому +15

      Sadly, there’s not much to say about him. Given how vague 5th century sources are, everything remotely interesting about him could be said in under 5 minutes, tops.

    • @cromusician6153
      @cromusician6153 2 роки тому +5

      @@samlund8543 I know, I even read a paper on him, but it would be quite nice

    • @josemolinanavarro5741
      @josemolinanavarro5741 2 роки тому +3

      Also, a detailed video on WHY IN THE HECK RICIMER HAD TO RUIN IT ALL would be nice. I wonder what was his motivation...

    • @palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046
      @palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 Рік тому

      You can watch videos on him by Maiorianus (A channel NAMED AFTER majorian) or Thucydides

  • @rexblade504
    @rexblade504 2 роки тому +24

    Nepos is my favorite Western Emperor as at that point the empire was over but he didn't give up and even took back the Gallic Coast. even after the empire fell he kept fighting, both times being doomed not by his incompetence or anything like that, but by treachery.

  • @riccardoalcaro8483
    @riccardoalcaro8483 2 роки тому +44

    Flavius Constantius ruled the West between 411-421 (until 420 under Honorius) and he was greatly successful in sorting things out in Spain. When he died the empire was in much better shape than it had been 10 years before, when it was basically a mess. Not only did he regain control of Italy after sending out the Goths, he also found an agreement with them placing them as federati (allies) in Aquitania and then used them to crush the Vandals, Alans and Suebes in Spain. He wasn’t just a good general, he was a great ruler

    • @ari3903
      @ari3903 Рік тому +4

      The same move ( placing goths in Bordeaux ) had saved the Romans during the battle of the catalunian plains. Attila invaded Italy despite the draw/victory or whatever the fuck that was, so I don't think it's as essential, but still prestigious nevertheless.

  • @causantinthescot
    @causantinthescot 2 роки тому +139

    Here are all my rankings of the Western Roman Emperors:
    1. Honorius *0/100
    2. Constantine III 24/100
    3. Constantius III *85/100^
    4. Joannes *68/100
    5. Valentinian III *4/100
    6. Petronius Maximus 3/100 (His achievement: Lame Jokes.)
    7.Avitus *45/100
    8. Majorian *96/100
    9. Libius Severus (Unrankable because he was a puppet)
    10. Anthemius *83/100
    11. Olyberius (Totally unrankable)
    12. Glycerius *69/100
    13. Julius Nepos *75/100
    14. Romulus Augustus (Totally unrankable, just a child. You can't simply hostile to him as Hostilian.)
    ^Constantius III brought some stability to the empire, but he didn't do much. So, he was Claudius II Gothicus 2.0.

    • @proactiveomnipresentvessel6569
      @proactiveomnipresentvessel6569 2 роки тому +22

      Hol up why is Majorian a 94.6 out of 1000?

    • @causantinthescot
      @causantinthescot 2 роки тому +1

      Oops , not 1000 is 100 (Please forgive me about this mistake)

    • @chaospacemarine8330
      @chaospacemarine8330 2 роки тому +22

      You forgot to add -1000 to Ricimer on principle, being the de facto Roman leader under Libius Severus

    • @causantinthescot
      @causantinthescot 2 роки тому +19

      @@chaospacemarine8330 Maybe. Because he murdered last two chad emperors in the Western Roman Empire?
      It was no doubt that he was acted like the Praetorian Guards in the 3rd Century, which were king-makers in Rome ( Thanks Constantine the Great disbanded them for the stability of empire), though Richimer had defended the borders by fought against the Germanic tribes. But yeah, he was horrible, and this was one of the reasons why WRE ultimately collapsed.
      He was actually a Mamai ( King-maker of Golden Horde)-like figure.

    • @natejones963
      @natejones963 2 роки тому +9

      Just saying valentinian should be worse than honorius. Honorius may have been mentally handicapped. not only this but he did something right to have lived as long as he did. Majorian and constantius III were the two people besides Aetius who could have brought the empire some stability to live another half a century or longer.

  • @chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208
    @chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208 2 роки тому +195

    I do agree that Honorius and Valentinian III. were absolutely the worst, but when you also bring the eastern Roman emperors, I'd say one, one emperor is worse than both
    Phocas the usurper
    (Also the whole Angeloi dynasty was terrible)

    • @KaantheKaan
      @KaantheKaan 2 роки тому +11

      Eh, Isaac II was decent, ultimately unsuccesful though

    • @marvelfannumber1
      @marvelfannumber1 2 роки тому +12

      Phocas wasn't that bad. I mean he was bad, sure, but not worse than Honorius or any of the Angeloi.

    • @chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208
      @chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208 2 роки тому +67

      @@marvelfannumber1 he was Worse than Honorius, he killed one of the greatest emperors until Basil II, Maurice and his sons, he then killed the few people that held some power, he didn't even care about, you know - THE WHOLE PERSIAN ARMY, and decided to attack Heraclius instead, if it weren't for Heraclius and his generals, The Eastern Roman Empire would have ended much sooner
      As for the Angeloi, I guess that could be said

    • @marvelfannumber1
      @marvelfannumber1 2 роки тому +6

      @@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208
      All those decisions are perfectly rational though. If you're a usurper, you'd want to kill off more legitimate claimants to prevent civil war. Constantine did the same thing to Licinius for instance.
      Also, in regards to the Persians. The Persians didn't actually start making major gains until *after* Heraclius took over. Under Phocas the Persians took Antioch, but it was under Heraclius that the Persians took all of Syria and Egypt. Which may have had something to do with the Roman army being weakened from infighting partially due to Heraclius' little civil war.
      Also, calling Maurice "one of the best Emperors until Basil II" is quite the stretch. He was alright, but he made a bunch of poor decisions which led to his downfall, and he really should have seen that coming.

    • @KaantheKaan
      @KaantheKaan 2 роки тому +17

      @@marvelfannumber1 they didn't take Antioch until Heraclius reign. He (Heraclius) was actually defeated trying to defend the city. The persians were mostly contained to the Euphrates before Heraclius rebelled.

  • @LeandroCapstick
    @LeandroCapstick 2 роки тому +4

    Good stuff, keep it coming!

  • @federationarmy
    @federationarmy 2 роки тому +44

    Could you do a video about Ricimer specifically

    • @cupidsfavouritecherub9327
      @cupidsfavouritecherub9327 2 роки тому

      Yeah who is this dude

    • @floridaball4896
      @floridaball4896 2 роки тому +14

      Imagine if he died in his childhood then the Western Roman Empire would have lasted longer

    • @Sandderad
      @Sandderad 2 роки тому +9

      Even uttering this devil's name leaves a sour taste in my mouth

    • @BritishRepublicsn
      @BritishRepublicsn 2 роки тому +7

      R*cimer

    • @tuki8468
      @tuki8468 2 роки тому +3

      @@floridaball4896 sorry bro but the reason Majorian gained power was because of Ricimer they both combined their strength to consolidate da power. I hope Ricimer die after he helped Majorian gain power tho.

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    @Nikkidafox 2 роки тому +31

    Waiting for the Eastern Roman Emperors. And Justinian II is definitely gonna be at least top 3.

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  • @aurenkleige
    @aurenkleige Рік тому +1

    It's crazy coming back to this video and seeing how back in the day, roughly around the time when I first found Spectrum, 1.4k was a lot of view. I'm so glad he's found a lot of success on UA-cam.

  • @juke9674
    @juke9674 2 роки тому +29

    Wasnt Romulus like 12? Cmon that aint his fault

  • @patrickhows1482
    @patrickhows1482 2 роки тому +38

    It's a tragedy that Honorius' sister Galla Placidia was unable to rule in her own right. For the good of the Empire she married two men who were uncongenial to her. She succeeded in ensuring the succession of her son Valentinian III the last Flavian emperor (she can't be blamed for his failure as emperor) and re-establishing good relations with Constantinople.

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 2 роки тому +4

      Uncongenial to her? What did Constantius III do to her? Also, her son wasn’t a Flavian. He was a Theodosian.

    • @patrickhows1482
      @patrickhows1482 2 роки тому +4

      @@connorgolden4
      'And on 1 January 417 the emperor "took her by the hand and gave her to Constantius", his favoured general, thus solemnizing their marriage. Olympiodoros records that this was done against her will' from Ravenna by Judith Herrin, page 33, published 2020. Judith Herrin is a leading British academic specialising in Late Antiquity and Byzantium. In a footnote she cites fragment 33 of Olympiodoros. Olympiodoros of Thebes was a contemporary who wrote a history of the years 407-425, dedicated to Theodosius II. Flavian was a slip of the thumb.

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 2 роки тому +5

      @@patrickhows1482 Yes, most marriages were like that back in the day. Especially for the upper class. But that doesn’t say he was bad to her.

  • @memphisallen8021
    @memphisallen8021 2 роки тому +1

    Great video!

  • @8thLegio
    @8thLegio 2 роки тому +1

    Great video, subbed!

  • @kloppite1967
    @kloppite1967 7 місяців тому +3

    Petronius Maximus managed to kill Aetius, kill Valentinian III, immediately piss off the Vandals for no reason, fail to flee the sack he caused as a result while getting murdered by a mob in the processes.
    In terms of the sheer level of ineptitude in such a short space of time, I think he was the worst emperor. How anyone could do so much damage in 2 and a half months is almost inconceivable.

  • @1themaster1
    @1themaster1 2 роки тому +18

    Sounds like something we would have called a failed state from the beginning to the end.

  • @ethancash8870
    @ethancash8870 2 роки тому +12

    The only reasons why Valentinian lll killed Aetuis is because he was convinced by Petronius and he demoted Majorian who he wanted to be his successor

  • @TacoxAreFood
    @TacoxAreFood Рік тому

    I just finished all your monarch rankings in one day I need more 😭

  • @starlight0313
    @starlight0313 Рік тому +4

    How unstable was the Empire?
    *Yes*

  • @BABYFACEBEASTIE
    @BABYFACEBEASTIE 2 роки тому

    Great video. Subbed

  • @blueguy5714
    @blueguy5714 2 роки тому

    I found channel, I now love it

  • @wizstorm172
    @wizstorm172 2 роки тому +48

    I knew that Majoriajn was number 1 He was such a legend.

  • @jontyarnold8522
    @jontyarnold8522 2 роки тому +24

    Interesting stuff, I guessed Majorian would be no.1

  • @user-xo9ig8kc3u
    @user-xo9ig8kc3u 2 роки тому +18

    Honestly, other than the no.1, Majorian (and even then, it's arguable, as Majorian was a great general, but we know practically nothing else about him), both Odoacer and especially Theodoric governed Italy far, far better than any of the Western Roman Emperors... so much so, that it's not even close. The Italian people probably breathed a sigh of relief when the pretence of Empire was finally over.

    • @septimiusseverus343
      @septimiusseverus343 2 роки тому +3

      Odoacer did nothing wrong.

    • @Frendlu
      @Frendlu 2 роки тому +2

      It's curios that the Roman Emperors wanted to avoid as much as posible to being called as Kings and act as them, but once the real kings arrived (Odoacre), was for better.
      Maybe, one of the thing that doomed the Empire was that they didn't choose for something clear, they wanted to reign ( "first citizen" or "who give orders"), but they didn't wanted to become/being called kings with all what represents, and for this they failed to pretend not being what they were.
      But well, they are so many pieces responsibles of the fall, that it's better to ask, Why didn't fall earlier?

    • @causantinthescot
      @causantinthescot 2 роки тому

      @@septimiusseverus343 And Theodoric the Chad. What a shame that he was a demonic wojak instead of a civilized Nordic Chad,

    • @aaronTGP_3756
      @aaronTGP_3756 Рік тому +1

      I think the reason Italy was stable after the Empire was because the Germanic rulers were actually able to foster decent long-term relations with the Roman citizens.

    • @Leandro-Ferreira.
      @Leandro-Ferreira. Рік тому

      NOVELLA MAIORIANI

  • @bemnet7149
    @bemnet7149 2 роки тому

    I just subscribed to your channel

  • @andreaperotti3078
    @andreaperotti3078 2 роки тому +3

    A video about Majorian please?

  • @theromanorder
    @theromanorder 2 роки тому +1

    I love what i see but i hope you coud try and bossed your upload schedule by 1 per week at least. And i will support you in anyway i can

  • @federationarmy
    @federationarmy 2 роки тому

    You have my sub.

  • @gm2407
    @gm2407 Рік тому +5

    Honorious I and Valentillian III were bad, however Phocas, Andronikus III, and the Angeloi were all worse. I mean the fact that there were successor states following the 4th crusade is amazing, that Nicea pulled anything back together is undescribable. Alexios III and Phocas have so much in common they are nearly the same person.

    • @obanos6945
      @obanos6945 Рік тому +3

      Andronikos III was a good emperor, you might be thinking of Andronikos II.

    • @gm2407
      @gm2407 Рік тому

      @@obanos6945 Must be.

  • @histguy101
    @histguy101 2 роки тому +10

    But the "Western Roman Empire" _wasn't a political entity._ It was an administrative region created by Diocletian, and it wasn't the only one. The empire was also split into 4 Praetorian Prefectures, which were split into 12 Diocese (later 15), which were split into about a hundred provinces, not including the Senatorial provinces(Italian provinces, Africa Proconsularis, Achaea Proconsularis, and Asia Proconsularis).
    There was no further separation in 395, no law creating a separation, no imperial edict, etc. There were western and eastern emperors throughout the 4th century also, and when an emperor occasionally governed both halves, he literally governed both halves, so Constantine, Constantius II, Julian, Jovian, Valentinian I, and Theodosius I were at times Emperor of the west and emperor of the east at the same time. And they usually elected a co-emperor as soon as they could to govern both halves effectively.
    Both east and west shared resources, shared armies, shared navies, shared bureaucrats and other government officials, shared clergy, and so on throughout the 4th and 5th centuries, and even after the overthrow of Orestes and Romulus Augustus. Coins in the west depicted emperors from the east and coins in the east depicted emperors from the west, and coins from both often depicted both emperors. This continued after the last western emperor. The Visigoths in Spain and Gaul, Odoacer in Italy, later Theodoric in Italy and Pannonia, and the Franks in Gaul all minted coins of Zeno, Anastasius, Justin I, and Justinian I as if the western half of the empire was still alive and well. In 489, the Bishop of Rome deposed the Patriarch of Constantinople. Both the Senate at Rome and Constantinople continued to each elect a consul for each year, because it was one Senate based out of two cities.
    There was never 2 empires. And as you look into it deeper, there were never even 2 "de facto" empires. There were simply 2-4 emperors at any given time. The last major joint expedition was around 470 when Leo installed Anthemius as western Augustus, and the 2 tried to reconquer North Africa. Anthemius, one of the very last western emperors, and the last one recognized by the armies, the Senate, and Leo, had his main Comitatensis field army manned with both western and eastern Legions.
    Likewise, when Majorian set out to reconquer North Africa a decade or so earlier, he used soldiers from the west and east, and his campaign was funded by west and east. Similarly, Theodosius II(an eastern emperor) attempted to retake Africa about 2 decades before Majorian, and the invasion force was made up of western and eastern soldiers and sailors.

  • @knazibaz
    @knazibaz 2 роки тому +5

    Rank EVERY Roman emperor; from Augustus to Constantine XI. Do it!

    • @BritishRepublicsn
      @BritishRepublicsn 2 роки тому +6

      Rank EVERY Roman leader, from King Romulus to Constantine XI
      Rank EVERY Trojan-Roman leader, from King Tros to Antonio Tocco

  • @patkub3214
    @patkub3214 2 роки тому +5

    I would make Honorious second. Why? Because:
    1.Valentinian II. ruled longer
    2. He left Britania. That Island was more trouble than it was worth. Yeah, by that point, you can call it meanlingless (which, pretty much was.) but still...

  • @deaddok999
    @deaddok999 2 роки тому +9

    You know your empire's emporers are awful when the 2nd best emperor is just a good general

  • @Porururidimu
    @Porururidimu 2 роки тому

    I find it crazy that your content was getting so few views when you were at this stage

  • @Fullychargedevil
    @Fullychargedevil 2 роки тому +5

    Ok if i sub or no depends on who you rank worst
    Edit: subbed

  • @youvebeengreeked
    @youvebeengreeked 2 роки тому +12

    It really doesn't matter where abouts you put everyone else on this list;
    So long as Honorius is stone-dead last, and Majorian stands proudly on the winning podium.

    • @palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046
      @palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 Рік тому +3

      I mean uyou can't have petronius maximus around the top of Constantius III or Anthemius or Julius Nepos at the bottom lol

  • @NoahWeaverRacing
    @NoahWeaverRacing 2 роки тому +11

    You have a time machine and you can either save Aurelian or Majorian, you can't save both. Who do you choose?

    • @BritishRepublicsn
      @BritishRepublicsn 2 роки тому +12

      Aurelian
      Majorian was just an extra 2 months for a dying man
      Aurelian could’ve saved the Roman Empire
      Majorian would’ve only saved half of it

    • @Bardockfan150
      @Bardockfan150 2 роки тому +21

      Majorian.
      Aurelian had time to save the empire. He died after saving it. Majorian was killed before he had the time to save it. If he had more time, he may well have succeeded.
      Also, saving Majorian probably means killing Ricimer. It would be worth it even if Majorian got struck by lightning and died the very next day.

    • @NoahWeaverRacing
      @NoahWeaverRacing 2 роки тому +7

      @@Bardockfan150 honestly I really agree with this. I’m a big fan of both and I think Majorian’s story is the classic tragic betrayal of the good guy that we see every now and then. With how successful he was it’d be interesting to see what Majorian could have accomplished had Ricimer not been in the picture and he had more time

    • @mitchellline4242
      @mitchellline4242 Рік тому +1

      Majorian. Aurelian did get to accomplish his main goals. Majorian never did

    • @Queen_Miku
      @Queen_Miku Рік тому

      Here's another question. What if majorian existed during the crisis of the third century and aurelian existed near the end of the western roman empire's life?

  • @a_creamsy1st228
    @a_creamsy1st228 2 роки тому +1

    The algorithm is working.

  • @vespasian79ad26
    @vespasian79ad26 2 роки тому +4

    Do a video on the worst to best generals who held the real power in the western Roman Empire

    • @septimiusseverus343
      @septimiusseverus343 2 роки тому +3

      The candidates: Stilicho, Constantius (III), Castinus, Felix, Bonifacius, Aetius, Aegidius, Marcellinus, Ricimer, Gundobad, Orestes.

    • @causantinthescot
      @causantinthescot 2 роки тому +2

      @@septimiusseverus343 Ricimer should be at the bottom because of the Praetorian Guard thing.

    • @thesmm2311
      @thesmm2311 2 роки тому

      @@causantinthescot Did he attempt to revive them?
      What does he have to do with them?

    • @causantinthescot
      @causantinthescot 2 роки тому +3

      @@thesmm2311 he acted like the Praetorian guards

  • @TaeSunWoo
    @TaeSunWoo 2 місяці тому +1

    I want to see a timeline what if that has the Western and Eastern Roman Empires just vibe

  • @erwannthietart3602
    @erwannthietart3602 Рік тому +2

    Majorian was such a baddass Aegitius, the father of Syagrius and ruler of the domain of Soissons, who was a man loyal to Majorian and was the master of the troops in Gaul, or at least what was left of it, upon his death looked at Ricimer and his puppet emperor decided "f*** that the only emperor worthy of my loyalty would be the eastern one"
    And singlehandedly with his own forces bolstered by some frankish mercenaries pushed back both the Wisigoth and the Burgunds from advancing further into Gallia and even reconquered Lugdunum at one point from the Burgunds in other word starting to reconquer parts of the province, meanwhile the sources werent clear but he may or may not have threatened Ricimer that he would invade Italy, which he never did unfortunately because Gallia would then be empty, and he even died like Majorian most likely assassinated after a new great military victory.
    So even after his death Majorian still did something good for Rome

  • @unjustwhistle7233
    @unjustwhistle7233 2 роки тому +1

    Every Roman Emperor, every Eastern Roman emperor, every western Roman emperor. Where is the every Holy Roman Emperor video?
    Great vid btw

  • @BaDitO2
    @BaDitO2 2 роки тому +11

    to be fair valentinian III. had atleast some legit reason for killing aetius. aetius had been openly hostile towards the imperial family in the past and it’s not completely unreasonable to assume that a usurpation might be caused by him.

  • @spurs_7798
    @spurs_7798 2 роки тому

    He made this list because the other video got 1.4k views.. it has 1.5 million now. Well deserved

  • @carausiuscaesar5672
    @carausiuscaesar5672 9 місяців тому +1

    Elagabalus:”mommy mommy i am at the top of the list!”
    Well done son or are you my daughter today?

  • @thessop9439
    @thessop9439 2 роки тому +4

    FINE UA-cam ILL WATCH IT

  • @jarekwrzosek2048
    @jarekwrzosek2048 2 роки тому +10

    I can Already say, that the last will be Phocas and the first would be Justinian I.

    • @mynamesjeff9280
      @mynamesjeff9280 2 роки тому +3

      imo justinian isnt even top 5

    • @imperatorsverige1806
      @imperatorsverige1806 2 роки тому +9

      The first is probably Basil II

    • @palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046
      @palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 Рік тому

      Justinian the awful. Conquered italy for no reason and was cruel to his people

    • @jarekwrzosek2048
      @jarekwrzosek2048 Рік тому

      @@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 That's what a dirty, stinky plebe would think. Justinian was a man with a vision. He wanted to revive the Roman Empire, take back what Barabarians robbed and destroyed. And he did his best, reconquering not only Italy, but also Africa and part of Spain. He brought justice to Visigoths and Vandals, for sacking and destroying Rome. If not for the plague and other factors, who knows, maybe he would rule Roman Empire in it's whole glory again. Not only that, he compiled all the different laws of the Empire, creating Corpus Iuris Civilis, on which many current day legal codes are based on. No matter the circumstances, he never gave up. And those "his people", how you call them were nothing but rebelious, ungrateful rabble goaded by worthless beauroucrats and traitors to depose and maybe even kill Justinian. The Nika rebellion destroyed half of Constantinopole, and guess who have rebuilt it in style? No other than Justinian the Great. He also built Hagia Sophia, a true jewel and masterpiece of byzantine architecture, not to mention other public buildings. Next time use other sources than Procopius, or at least read both of his chronicles.

  • @gaillucas687
    @gaillucas687 2 роки тому +5

    ranking the eastern roman/ byzantine empires next.

  • @comedycenterpro8955
    @comedycenterpro8955 2 роки тому

    Which historian books do you read to take knowledge about romans?

  • @holymoly8848
    @holymoly8848 2 роки тому +2

    3:31 *looks at America and sweats*

  • @Deadsea_1993
    @Deadsea_1993 5 місяців тому

    I was initially confused when you named Honorius as being worse than other Roman Emperors until you noted he lasted 30 years. I was like "So someone like Caligula or Commodus for 30 years ? Yikes. I agree"

  • @causantinthescot
    @causantinthescot 2 роки тому +11

    I will rank Majorian higher from 94.6/100 to 96.3/100. He was exactly the same level of Gallienus.

    • @peterruf1462
      @peterruf1462 2 роки тому

      Why are you rating gallienus so highly?

    • @causantinthescot
      @causantinthescot 2 роки тому

      @@peterruf1462 If he lived until 80, he would do the same as Aurelian did. Sadly he was murdered.

    • @peterruf1462
      @peterruf1462 2 роки тому +1

      @@causantinthescot doesn't that diminish aurelian's achievement? If gallienus would have done it, that means it wasn't his fault that it didn't happen earlier. You're kinda implying that anyone could have done that and the preparation from gallienus was the key. I think aurelian's string of victories is something really special and thinking about if gallienus or Claudius could have done the same is like fanfiction because they weren't able to do it. Even Aurelian was close to defeat

    • @daniellinanmolina1044
      @daniellinanmolina1044 2 роки тому

      really similar figures and reign. majorian was probably the most talented emperor overall, but gallienus was the better one cause of his longer reign imo

    • @aaronTGP_3756
      @aaronTGP_3756 Рік тому +1

      Majorian was the Junior Aurelian. Had all the potential to be a "Restitutor Occidentis", being a bold reformer, excellent general, and visionary. Too bad his friend Ricimer betrayed him (once a g*rm, always a g*rm, unless you're Stillicho).

  • @BlackPawn14
    @BlackPawn14 Рік тому +2

    Wait a minute... the Western Empire only lasted 80 years, had only 14 emperors... and the first two this video mentions took up 60 YEARS?!?!?
    How unstable was this thing?

    • @Hionimarbias
      @Hionimarbias Рік тому

      There were even more Ruler's. 29 Ruler's were there but only 14 were Real Emperor's the other were more like Fake Emperor's.

  • @maciejkamil
    @maciejkamil 2 роки тому +2

    And that's the tale od Majoran...

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 2 роки тому +10

    Majorian was so cool

  • @metzyahrosenstein4827
    @metzyahrosenstein4827 2 роки тому +6

    All my homies love Majorian and hate Honorius, and his brother across the Mediterranean.

  • @James_Wisniewski
    @James_Wisniewski 8 місяців тому +1

    I would personally put Valentinian III lower than Honorius by virtue of the fact that, where Honorius ordered the death of Stilicho, Valentinian III actually murdered Aetius himself like a total lunatic. I dunno. Maybe it's better to look him in the eyes and do it yourself rather than have someone else do it. Depends on your perspective I guess.

  • @menaseven9093
    @menaseven9093 2 роки тому +4

    Nice ranking of Western Roman Empire bad emperor Honorius and good emperor Majorian. Maybe the fall of the West was by design.

  • @brendenwright7957
    @brendenwright7957 Рік тому

    What's the music that plays at the beginning of this video?

  • @kaloarepo288
    @kaloarepo288 2 роки тому +3

    How about the emperor Julian -great grandson of Constantine I think he was who renounced Christianity and tried to bring the old gods back? What would have happened had he succeeded and not been killed in the war against the Persians?

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 2 роки тому +14

      He’s overrated. A good commander. Good administrator from what I recall. Probably highly educated. But his religious policy was dog shit and was gonna get him killed or start a war eventually. Christianity was not gonna fail and paganism just didn’t have what was needed to resist it. Fighting this was dumb.

  • @nicksiegler9537
    @nicksiegler9537 2 роки тому

    Does anyone know the name of the song that plays at the end of the video?

  • @michaelarsaadyatma
    @michaelarsaadyatma 2 роки тому +2

    2:26 and when rome was pilaged and "vandal"ised he only cared about his pet chicken

  • @karlwittenburg5868
    @karlwittenburg5868 2 роки тому

    Honestly you may as well just throw Ricimer up on this list somewhere
    I’d probably put him in third, because he didn’t really seem to have have the empire’s interests at heart as much as maybe he should have

  • @gilleslebarde2776
    @gilleslebarde2776 Рік тому

    Can you make the same but for the Byzantin empereur because it's the same contry than the western roman empire

  • @thatoneguy7191
    @thatoneguy7191 2 роки тому +1

    1K likes boiii

  • @dawudsandstorm7852
    @dawudsandstorm7852 2 роки тому

    I like how he apologized for asking people to subscribe

  • @grant.5345
    @grant.5345 2 роки тому +1

    With the Western Empire the best you probably ever going to get was "At least you were trying to do a good job."

  • @erfangholamipour6991
    @erfangholamipour6991 2 роки тому +2

    Hi go for sassanids to . Thanks 🙌

  • @elanexador
    @elanexador Рік тому

    When the only attention Western Rome gets are the “what if” scenarios involving Majorian and Julius Nepos

  • @user-pb7ch5kl8x
    @user-pb7ch5kl8x 9 місяців тому +2

    I will speak out in defense of Constantine III. In my opinion, you were too harsh and critical on him. The guy rebelled LITERALLY during the WORST PERIOD OF ROME'S EXISTENCE. When the imbecile Honorius sat on the throne. By the way, it was during this crisis that Stilicho would be killed (by the way, let’s not forget that with all his talents, the man suffered from the same illness as other commanders of that era, dreaming of stabbing his patron in the back)
    He quickly, confidently and almost bloodlessly captures Gaul, and then conducts a brilliant campaign in Spain. Keeps the barbarians on the Rhine border. And if not for the betrayal of our commanders, we could have received in 409-410 a much more competent (at least in military terms) emperor, a capable to defeat Alaric.
    In my opinion, this fact alone makes Constantine one of the best emperors. Because he had the same potential as Majorian, but if we attribute to the second the opportunity to save the empire (which he did not save), then why not do the same for Constantine?
    In the end, he even established good governance in Gaul and Spain. Yes, he abandoned the people of Britain and Armorica. But this was a necessary measure.

  • @palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046

    I agree. Majorian is imo the 2nd best roman emperor, ahead of trajan and augustus imo, and 2nd only to the Restitutor Orbis himself.

  • @pher38
    @pher38 2 роки тому +1

    Will the Eastern Roman Emperors go up to 1453?

  • @herakleion2566
    @herakleion2566 2 роки тому

    Majorian's Mask when?

  • @bladempale1751
    @bladempale1751 2 роки тому

    What’s that outro music?