Rhodesia Made Their FALs Great With This One Weird Halbek Device!
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The Halbek Device was a clamp-on muzzle brake designed by two Rhodesians, Douglas Hall and Marthinus Bekker. It was patented in Rhodesia in 1977 and in the US in 1980, and manufactured in small numbers for the Rhodesian military. I have seen these occasionally, and doubt they are actually very effective. But during a filming trip to South Africa I had a chance to actually try one on a select-fire R1 FAL, complete with high speed camera to find out for sure. So, let's see what they really do...
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It may be weird to fire, but it's a LOT weirder to watch the gun move downward, especially to that degree...! It looks completely bizare...
Low wing aircraft with wing mounted armament also recoils downwards, having their centre of gravity above the barrel axes.
Václav Fejt We don't usually fire aircraft manually or from the shoulder, though. Do we?
Michael Berthelsen Depends on how badass you are I guess 😂
Daniel Thompson Fair enough. If you shoulder an actual aircraft, hat's off to you!😂
FPSRussia had a video of an M14 with a Juggernaut Rogue stock and crazy muzzle break, which did something similar. Just search for FPS Russia M14
I wanted to see the target to judge the effect. Where did the bullets go?
I know it’s been an year, but It’s weird seeing a comment from you only getting 11 likes and no replies
Renato Castanho ikr
Shut up redcoat this isn't for you
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The bullets definitely would have gone forward out the barrel 😂😂Lol
I feel like it would be most effective with a bipod or just resting on something, that way its being pushed against a solid surface.
Thats basically the L1A2
Originally with a bipod is how they thought most full auto 7.62x51 guns were going to be used, they figured they would be light light machine guns like the BAR.
@@monauralsnail0669 FN FAL came out im a "heavy barrel" variant that had a factory fitted bipod. We carried 100 rounds in magazines normally, but very rarely if ever fired on auto, as it used up ones limited ammo. Double taps were the norm
That is how my dad would shoot this, He was the inventor of this device, He would shoot it laying flat on his hand.
My dad invented the flash hider as he called it. Marthinus Bekker was my Dad. My uncle Doug (Douglas Hall) helped him with getting it patented. interesting to find this online after all these years. My dad died young, in 1983 and my uncle Doug is still alive and now lives in Phoenix Arizona. So fun to see this. By the way you were probably pushing it down trying to compensate. My uncle Doug would shoot his FN rifle just laying it on his flattened hand it would shoot straight. You were might have been over compensating.
woah that's insanely cool thank you for sharing, I believe Ian from this video lives in Arizona as well
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"We're in full auto" -Gun Jesus from the gospel of Rhodesia 7:62
Amen
Lmao
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Looked in my Bible can't find that chapter and verse anywhere - I'll pray to God and see if he will include it ... lol
Gun Jesus's letter to the Rhodesians
*the last word in “Rhodesian” is “Ian”*
Smith?
I'm not from Africa but I remember Ian Smith
Let's not be russian into conclusions here
@@TheZINGularity Touche`
That was selously hilarious
This is the first time I've ever seen muzzle DROP.
I remember fpsrussia did a vid on a bullpup m14 full auto with a crazy brake. It did the same thing.
Watch the Colt Monitor video
I wonder if it actually exerts downward force or if it's just that the shooters have experience with other full-auto firearms and are used to "pushing down" to combat muzzle rise. With a perfect recoil impulse you wouldn't have to push down (or up) at all. With a stock in the right position, the rifle would recoil straight back. If someone becomes experienced using the Halbeck device, they would learn not to overcompensating for muzzle flip.
reverse recoil ahoy!
@@Paelorian No it definitely actually exerts a downward force. You can find this on some other guns too.
"Very GV": now that's an inside joke if ever I saw one.
GV = Grensvegter = Rambo (African style).
Very informed; very sharp.
Borderfighter litteraly
I actually could see that being useful in semi auto. needing to lift back onto target and being able to correct it on the way rather than the target being hidden behind the sight until you lower it enough just sounds like a good thing. Still seems really efficient on full auto as well though.
Not only bihind the sights, it could even be hidden behind the mizzle with enough distance.
Peter Crabtree Imagine with a bipod, instead of bouncing up, it would just press against the bipod, keep the gun very steady.
Peter Crabtree yeah that's what I thought, but with full auto it definitely is different, do you want bullets flying further, or into the ground...? I guess after using it daily, it would be what you prefer as to how you handle the recoil, kinda like another option in videogames to invert your controls 😂
Also might be an idea to cover some of the ports or allow some bleed to the others to counterbalance the push-down effect. I would think you might be able to get the muzzle to stay more or less still with some fine tuning although they might have tried and it just doesn't work well.
Of note.... the "thip, thip" of bullets going high over a target only keeps that individual target down... while visible round impacts in front of your target is visible to more of the opposition..... Peter Crabtree is spot on about maintaining the targets visibility... well said dude/.
I loved my FN, trained as army reserve in Ireland back in the late 90's. It saddens me that I can never own one here.
There are plenty of us here in America that will let you fire one of our FALs when ever you want!
Fight for your rights brother
Come visit Texas mate! We'll go shot my FALs!
@@bruceleeroy872 i believe the irish have done that a good few times now
@@moddedkaine1427 Damn Straight they have!
I was in the SADF in the early 80s and had an R1 like this which was coated with camo. Fun fact, we used to call the muzzle break a “blitz breeker” which roughly translates to flash breaker.
did u engage the Cubans?
@@pentuplove6542 whose native or an invader depends on the year.
Pentu Plove why would they tho?
@@pentuplove6542 "blitz" is not a dutch word. Also, "breeker" is old dutch spelling, modern spelling is "Breker".
Afrikaans for me is like 70 to 80% recognizable, and what I do understand sounds like very old fashioned dutch to me. It is definitely its own distinct language though.
@@pentuplove6542 What nation are you from? Do they have a history of invading and subjugating native peoples only to adopt their language?
"interest in Rhodesian stuff"
Me: of come on it can't be that bad
1M views later
First time huh?
Welcome to the club
Also shows Ian’s experience and skill firing on full auto! As Others have pointed out im sure on people with little to no experience this would have been really useful
Yeah, I get the feeling your average Joe isn't going to keep a FAL level nearly so well as gun jesus here.
Good comment.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I was thinking that too, give that to a recruit with no full auto experience and would it improve control. VS someone with a lot of firearm experience like Ian.
runnerofnigh sounds like it would have been perfect for Cold War conscript armies!
makes sense. You're likely to have more control downwards cause the barrel is pressing against your hand, as opposed to the barrel lifting away from it. I'm sure that it's something you can easily get used to.
I see this being given to someone with no experience, but must absolutely defend themselves (as it was the case in Rhodesia).
@the sewer pig Some were even experienced mercenaries, but to get the numbers necessary towards the end they took absolutely anyone they could get. Those were NOT highly trained guys.
@the sewer pig no only those who had previous training were. What shined was there tactics with their fireforces
It would be even better if you rest the front grip on a solid object, so the down force would keep it down on the rest.
whoever made this device REALLY didn't like muzzle climb
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@@thrillho4849 if i ever get an automatic firearm, it'll be an american 180 with a big mag and a muzzle brake like this (although adjusted to 0 muzzle deviation)
Just for the sake of fun ofc
Maybe they invented it to help soldiers make their captives "dance".
and you do?
Ordinaryavg.guy Nah the guys forcing captives to dance were the ones getting shot at by these rifles.
Look at how much the barrel flexes downwards in the slowmo. Too bad the ports are diagonal and you couldn't kick the gases out the sides.
Would've made for a better compensator.
Oh yes, it was not just flexing but oscillating a bit. Have to wonder if it's hard on the equipment.
@@chrismiddleton398 same thoughts
I think that device could be very useful while firing from a bipod
John Doe Excellent point!
Or resting on a berm or branch
Ya beat me to it.
Or having targets run at you.
Was waiting for someone to post this. Finally!
I used the R1 for around 10 years in the Rhodesian army and the police force in Rhodesia.. the muzzle breaker actually works well but to conserve ammunition we always used semi auto to be more affective. Fully Automatic in close combat bush contact at rare occasions.
Damn you Rhodesians are kicking ass, I love your army and what you did for your country ! Greetings from the Austrian Army
@@edelwei4193 greetings to you my friend.. thank you for your kind words .. yes we Rhodesians are the people to kick arse in times of war . We had to defend our nation at all costs . Sadly the world saw it differently . Stay well 🙏🏻
@@rhodesia1578 Defend from who lol. THE BLACKS who were there first ofc!!
@@bdubbs you got fuk all idea . Did you live there or visit there ?? Or you just talking shit from the sidelines !!!
@@rhodesia1578 From who were you defending your country then? Have you considered that there may not have been a war in Rhodesia at all were it not for the continued oppression of black people within the country? Have you considered that those people were fighting for some ideal too? And what was your ideal? Protect your local village from the marauding insurgents? Fine. But understand that the conflict's roots are traceable, and the rest of the world knows where Rhodesia belongs: in the dustbin of history.
You won't believe what happens next!!
*groan*
counterfeit Even while it's happening!
Rhodesia-2?
Mossberg HATES him!
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What you don't talk about is the issue of gas pressure setting. I was in the SA army between 1977 and 1979, mostly on the Angola / South West Africa (Namibia) border. In the dusty conditions you had to turn the gas pressure up very high to prevent jamming. So high in fact that I carried a metal rod to clear the cartridge when the extractor tore the rim off.
When you then fired on full auto it would then climb almost uncontrollably. Of course that was not a problem in combat because we never used auto. Anyway these problems are why I despise the FAL/ R1 (I was issued with the FAL)
You may have just had a shit FAL with over-tight tolerances? Or conditions of a micro-climate producing the issues?
@@LandersWorkshop The R1 was generally considered less effective in South West Africa due to the sand, which drove South Africa to adopt the Galil, and keep the R1 as a designated marksman rifle.
This is actually the exact reason Israel developed the Galil - their FALs didn't perform great in sand.
@@gabrielfraser2109 I don't buy into that theory as the whole reason. Sand tests with the FAL haven't shown it fails any worse than other rifles.
Plus there were and are versions of the FAL with sand-slots cut into the Bolt-Carrier assembly. Conscripts needed more training on it though and probably weren't as savvy to the intricacies of it too.
yes , i had the same problem with FNC1 in Newfoundland in the 1980s .the cold, and maybe the cordite or whatever powder was in the rounds was hard on the moving parts.
I believed that the problem was fine dust which penetrated everywhere. Having cleaned the rifle thuoroughy I would go on 5 /6 hour convoy on very dusty sand tracks. I drove with the windows down due to the heat. When we got to the base I would go to shooting range for some practice as these bases were attacked virtuality every night. I found that if I started shooting without cleaning, it would jam after a few rounds. If I cleaned first, I had no problem
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I don't get the joke, can someone explain to me? thanks
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"Doctors hate him" then it shows a 80 year old ripped dude lol
Bad scientist: my hypothesis was wrong, that sucks! Good scientist: my hypothesis was wrong, cool!
Depends. If your hypothesis was working to cure cancer, I dont think finding it wrong deserves an "aw yeah that shit rocks dude, I get a few more years of donation money!".
@mbsb1376 look in that case you've eliminated at least one way not to cure cancer
in the slo mo you can see the downward pressure created by the muzzle brake ripple back along the rifle to the stock!
Yeah that rifle is smacking Ian's cheek.
Of course. The more your vision is distorted from that slap the less accurate you are. And of course that will not be good for you to get that flinch sorted out as well... But try to hit something with a full auto FAL at 100m... I don't think you will hit more with or without that muzzle device. Maybe Ian or Karl will make a video about that.
phreakinpher If you look closely, you can see that the shockwave is started by the bullet leaving the muzzle, but it reaches ians shoulder before the shell is ejected, which means it does not affect the next shot. The rifle is back to its shape before the next bullet goes through.
Considering that this is full auto, it's amazing how often and how fast that steel-rod bends... And how often it can do that without breaking.
I noticed that too. The device created a lot more barrel whip. I would think that it would affect accuracy and controlability .
dennis gorring probably adjust the gas system to change that
I would see an advantage to that thing primarily being when used prone from a fixed position: it would keep the gun very stable, and the gas would be directed upward an consequently keep the dust signature down.
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Science has gone so far, that we make advanced tech that we don't even need, just reeeeeeeeely want. (Insert water jetpack)
is that Stegner in your profile picture?
It’s amazing how far muzzle brakes and compensators have come since those days. Now we know how to balance the flow of gasses in enough directions to minimize felt recoil by a large percentage instead of just redirecting it. Awesome video!
Compensator so good it's too good.
With that amount of down-force, I question if the device was really made to use with a bipod; the rifle looked balanced in the recoil department without it.
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Operators love it. The 5th shot will surprise you!
These are the two winning comments
talk about a global bang.
"that felt weird!" That LOOKED weird.
I'm sure with your experience with firing full-auto it made using it almost moot. It would be interesting to see someone NOT used to full-auto using it. I'd also love to see if it makes any difference for firing semi-auto for quicker realigns for a marksman role.
Someone not used to full auto but semi-auto experience or someone less experienced with firearms in general?
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul actually both would be interesting to see
I volunteer lol
Holy shit, it's bending the barrel downwards lol
Carried one of these in Vietnam from 1968 to 1970. We never had a problem with them. Just like the Belgian manufactured FN rifles of today, they were beautifully made and never jammed. They were a great assault rifle. The only criticism was that they were a bit heavy and long, that's all. They pissed all over AK's and M16's, and being full 7.62 Nato longs, they use the same ammo as the M60. So we only had to carry one kind of ammo. On the range a standard, clean FAL could get 1.5" groups at 200m. Most engagements were at 30-50m. We had the full auto mod. They never climbed. But most of the time we used single shot. When one of the 160gn bullets hits a body they go down. Very economical on ammo. You were sent home if you sprayed.
Unlike the Yanks, on patrol we only carried water, ammo, some food and a few grenades. What else do you need? For overnight we carried a poncho. Thats all. And its the problem today, carrying 40kg of gear. You can't run carrying that much and you have to be able to run. Now they use M4's and they are no better than an old tommy gun. As for the Steyr in use now, we had to redesign them to take a 90gn 5.56 instead of the 50gn before. Now they are stoppers.
@Joey Macaroni I'm going to assume he fought for Australia.
@@loganm.2529 Tweren't the Mormons!
@Joey Macaroni he would have been a ossie or a kiwi.
Maybe good for new conscripts with limited training. Aim high and subsequent rounds in full auto will move down the target rather than over their heads.
Or civilians or the likes
Mark Warbington agreed, Ian it far too experience operating rifles with standard muzzle brakes to adjust to this with just two magazines. It would be like getting an Olympic swimmer and making them swim in syrup.
1:36 "they are all diagonally offset from the Boer"
Wouldn't want to hit your cousins.
In semiauto, I'd think the main advantage would be less dust signature when prone
3:52 I did notice that the FAL with the Halbek Device tended to cause more vibration to the rifle. The Halbek Device might have made the FAL more effective to shoot on full auto, but could it potentially damage the rifle?
i think it won´t damage the rifle because there is no added force the device just redirects it
good observation, it did look like the Hallbek Device increased "barrel whip". It may not damage the rifle but it will affect accuracy.
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More like clickbate.
No, it wasn't the most exciting nor informative video I have ever viewed but I did learn something so I wouldn't call it click-bait. Click-bait is a video with a misleading overly-exaggerated title that gets you really interested. Then when viewing the content is boring and not as advertised. Like getting excited about a buy-one-get-one-free and then discover that in order to receive the free one you have to pay a separate shipping fee and a "handling charge." In other words a Rip-Off. That was not the case in this instance, but using the word "weird" in the title got it getting close to being click-bait
more like your kind of racebait
I was given one by a friend in Rhodesia in '79, & still have it. I found on full auto, with the halbek, I wasn't wrestling with the rifle & could concentrate on trigger control. I could fire a whole mag in 2-3 round bursts.
Ian, you just can't say it was patented in the U. S. and leave it at that. Some of us techogeeks are into that kind of details. FYI the U. S. patent number is 4,374,484 issued 22 February 1983 and is entitled Compensator for Muzzle Climb.
More Info on patents. Actually the first patent for this device is 4,235,152 issued on 25 November 1980 entitled Stabilizer for Guns.
Is that patent the reason we don't see any reproductions on the market?
@@RubioNegroZaravia Patents are only good for 20 years, so no reason for not being able to reproduce them commercially, other than cost of production vs demand. Might be profitable for a home builder to make a few.
My father served in the Rhodesian Air Force as a mechanic and had one of these rifles. He eventually got his hands on a russian soldiers ak, but always kept the FN.
Why would you ever think of throwing away the chad FAL.
much respect to your father!
That’s real cool
The FAL was army issue and he would not have been able to keep the AK. We could not get licensing for full auto weapon.
It would make the most sense when mounted on some form of heavy barrel FAL, and fired from the bipod.
Has there ever been a LMG made on the FAL platform? If so this would make a great addition to that.
@@franklind.roosevelt7416 See the FAP(no joke), used by brazillians and the C2A1 Canadian variant.
We used the Bren gun. Very good weapon.
Thanks for sharing. My Father served in the RLI and it's great to see these weapons online. Dankie vir jou Afrikaans ook
Ian,this just brought back a memory. Never shot an FAL myself,but I knew a number who did. There was a commonality at distance where the gun would shoot to one side of aim point. (Left maybe,cannot remember). Should you be in a situation where you can burn some ammo at distant targets,it might be that tweaking this Halbeck device might consistently improve upon that. Possibly this would have been a desired effect for those who had mastered the peculiarities of this rifle. I specifically remember a guy named Udo who rattled off some specific numbers at a particular distance,he was matter of fact proud of his shooting skills and the one time we were at a range together he was a much better shot than I was.
Might be worthwhile finding out if it helps with precision shooting with iron sights at a distance. Would be either 100 meters or 300 meters,but the memory is gone as to which. Cheers.
"It might!"
Well. If only I had a fal, range ammo, and one of those devices on hand to test all this while on camera.
That barrel flex in slow motion though. I wonder how much this messes with point of impact (if at all).
Oh yea, I can see it's hitting much lower. Really nice if you want to miss by a larger amount. Tired of hitting your target.
It probably works much better on the 18" bush barrel set-up than it does on that 21" barrel. It seems to really induce barrel whip on that long barrel way more than the standard muzzle device does.
My doctor didn't want me to know about this one weird halbek device.
Great video, thx for posting. I remember reading about the Falkands War in '82, where post-battle the British troops were all eager to try the Argentinian FALs because they supported full auto, whereas the British version ( the SLR - Self Loading Rifle ) was semi-only. Aside from the initial fun though, I gather they quickly decided it was really not suitable for full-auto after all. When they needed area suppression they used the gimpy ( GPMG ), and relied on the SLRs for normal single-shot accuracy.
Could have used this device on the M14. It's well known for putting rounds skyward in full auto. Anyway, even if the rounds impact in front of the target, there is still potential for striking the target with a richochet.
Rounds impacting in front of them would definitely make them want to take cover.
@@80krauser Same if they are zipping over their heads too.
@@LandersWorkshop zipping over head less so than strikes right infront.
That R1 speaks Afrikaans beautifully.
Just to explain where that first comment comes from. In the old regime military they referred to firing in full auto as speaking Afrikaans because you set the selector to "A".
"whoa... It might be" - that is the sound of a happy Ian. That is the sound of an Ian who is about to find out.
3:52 love how it's perfectly synced together
Hi!! Yes it was noticable the muzzle going downards!! Weird in deed!! I did not know this existed. as I did not even know that Rodesia did made their own ''Fal''... Thank for the video!!
Almost as if Ian tries to compensate on his own and gets surprised by the strong push down. Subsequential shots during the burst are climbing up again when he reacts to the initial dpwnwards thrust.
Except they didn't. The R1 rifles were all made in South Africa by Lyttleton Engineering Works and Rhodesia just imported them.
Oh, sorry!! I did not know a word about this issue!! Thank you too, sir!! I am portuguese, and right before I came up, this country's armed forces ( or at least the army ) had some Fals but made in Belgium (F.N. of course) all this back in the 60s when we had colonial war in Angola and Mozambique. As a citizen quite interested on History and specially Art and Military History, I have some pictures of our soldiers carrying these guns back then. ( As most of us were not pros, this gun became more a pain, then a efective gun. Latter ''we'' reliel on H&K G-3s... Until this day... )
Not weird, Physics and Newtons 3rd law of motion.
They didn't.. It was all sourced from South Africa..
can we talk about how satisfying the fal reloading is
Neither gone wrong nor gone sexual. Disappointed with the clickbait. I didn’t believe number 7 though, so kudos.
BravoGorilla not gone wrong? NOT WRONG? The gun is RECOILING DONWARDS, for fuck's sake
Doesn't the Kriss Vector do that? Or something simillar
Kiiinda but not because of a muzzle brake. the bolt goes backwards and then downwards.
BravoGorilla a
Nice to see an expert who admits when his expectations were not met.
who doesn't like FAL's honestly ...
The ones who hated it in service.
J J same...
Ohlourdes Padua probably
After lugging it around for years; I hate the bloody Belgium bastard.
The Netherlands should have chosen the AR10 of the Artillerie Inrichtingen. (AI)
G3 is better :)
The device is perfect for those setup on some kind of bipod or support without anywhere to go down. All your left is with laser aim. Do another video of performance with the halberd design but with support and without. That’s where that’s becomes magic
Really amazes me how much the barrel flexes when seen in slo-mo. I've fired this type of rifle and it feels really solid, the one in the vid looks to be made of rubber!
May be more to do with camera than actual flex.
Barrel whip. The physics of firearms are fascinating
This seems like the perfect companion to a bi-pod.
3:40
The brass looks amazing being flung towards the camera! HAHA!
looks like recoil is coming more into your body with the device in place instead of trying to climb over you backwards. Super cool stuff! "Retro engineers" come up with the best stuff!!!
Ian learning Afrikaans
Voetsak poes!
Ian making every South African cringe but also giddy in one intro bit.
Trivia - one of my mates was a Selous Scout - now that's worth reading up on for Ian.
ebonics
It is not Ebonics libtard it is the Dutch derived mother tongue of the white "African tribe" ie. Afrikaners. Read a book... Don't you have a Chihuahua Beagle cross to go and torture? The fact that the R1 speaks Afrikaans refers to the full auto fire. Marked with an A for Auto and Afrikaans, Afrikaans is a bit of a staccato like sounding language a bit like full auto fire....
The U.S. Army could have used these for the M-14! What ingenuity. Thank you for posting, Ian.
I saw the title and thought ‘how on earth can you improve on the FAL’ but this surprised me, another great video
That's bizarre to watch the muzzle drop on full auto. Also shout out to my mum who shot a perfect score in the Australian army with a SLR with a gas stoppage, too bad it was the 80's and the army was not going to award a woman with the crossed rifles she deserved.
They actually let Sheilas join the Army in ther 1980s?
I wonder if that would be a lot more effective on a bipod or rested on a wall. That's totally useless for standing fire in my opinion, but perhaps rested fire it would keep the rifle pinned in place without much jumping around.
It's funny that most of the clips I've seen on this weapon concentrate on the fully auto function. In the British Army, we were very much discouraged from using the weapon that way and in any case it performed much better and was more effective in single shot mode but then we were taught that quality is better than quantity.
But then, your FAL version was semi-auto-only. The L2A1 version had full-auto, but it was designated as a light machine gun, and would not have had its user so "very much discouraged."
@@tommygunng9113 Thanks for the info. Never saw that weapon and was never told about it but from my point of view, it was 57 years ago so I might have forgotten! If it was half as good as a L1A1 then it must have been good.
Looking at the slow-mo comparison, the rifle seems to oscillate more with the device fitted. It kinda looks unhealthy.
The muzzle is pushed downwards. It takes a bit to overcome the inerta of the rest of the gun.
I've seen guns wiggle like crazy in slomo, but that happens in a time frame too short for the shooter to notice.
NoGufff You think that’s unhealthy? Watch a Johnson rifle (machine rifle config.) in slow motion. In reality its fine, distortion always happens when viewed this way. Hell, look at the tires of a drag race vehicle in slo-mo and you’ll see torsion all along its surfaces. Perfectly normal.
Way more barrel whip with the device attached. Can't be good for the gun or the shooter.
Watch an AKM in slow mo. It's not hard to believe that AK47s (milled receiver) would have receivers crack at the front of the magazine opening after watching how much that gun wants to flex, especially on full auto.
The KRISS Vector is another one that is way too wobbly.
Forget the Halbeck Device....the greatest part of this video, to me, is the slow-mo near the 4:20 part of the video....I had no idea how much this gun bends/ripples(for lack of a better definition) when it is fired...... it just goes to show: you learn something new every day......
Would've been great to see it in continuous semi auto fire to try and see if that resetting the sights onto target was quicker than running the gun in oem format
As a former Canadian soldier who used the FNC1 and C2 for many years, I would of loved to have one. Also, wow, does that sound bring back memories, lol
Never forget Rhodesia and the brave men who fought against the whole world.
Really cool video my grandfather always told me how impossible the recoil on his R1 was in the army. So very cool to see someone came out with a fix for that but what I think was missed in the video was you are a very experienced shooter and you did hold back on the trigger in the bush wars this gun was used in they didn't hold back on there fire at all and one of the stories my grandfather told me was they would use 2 men to fire the R1 one would shoulder the gun the other wouth sit under the barrel and hold it down so they could shoot it in full auto
you should interview the dude that's behind 3d printed guns
cody wilson
The slow-mo makes it really obvious how much force the halbek is applying, the barrel is flexing downwards.
It would have been cool if this test was done with a target set-up and thus get a better idea of how the Halbek device impacts groupings and accuracy.
I think you are right. It seems to work too well. Kind of like the AKM slant break. I find in full auto, the AKM slant break makes your second shot, when you are shooting in bursts, hit low left. It is interesting now little redirection is needed to totally change how a rifle recoils.
Rhodie doctrine when firing on a concealed enemy of not-exactly-known strength and position was to go prone and double tap the nearest likeliest position then second and further and so on, tree or rock or bushes, taking advantage of 7.62 long's hitting power advantage to turn cover into concealment. The halbek was designed to make both semi-auto shots land as near to each other as possible. Most FN riflemen didn't carry enough ammo into the bush to permit full auto anyway.
In "2nd phase" training in the SADF we were taught to double tap and roll , double tap and roll . It was called speculative fire and according to our instructors the idea was developed in Vietnam but I can't see any reason why it would not be a lot earlier than that.
John Jones it was developed and used by SF around the Globe but first used in Combat in North Africa in WW2 by Stirling and Mayne when the Special Raiding Squadron became the SAS. The double tap was to ensure quick effective kills in a confined grouping and also conserving ammo. Jacob is correct in his comments on using the FN in Rhodesia on full auto was very uncommon. In fact in all my time from ‘74 to ‘79 I fired the FN on full auto once. I also never used a Halbeck device but was always fortunate that I carried an Original Belgium FN and not an R1 amongst others. Pamberi ne Hondo
Brilliant hearing you speaking Afrikaans, your pronunciation is better than most English people here. Good job.
Similiar to the way Aimo Lahti solved the recoil problem in his masterpiece, the finnish "Suomi" SMG (M39 or something like that also sometimes, if im not mistaken)
This would be extremely useful in the prone position, and even more useful with a bi-pod. If I ever buy an FAL, it will have a halbek device.
Looks similar to the Krebs IMS (FH -> MB).
That title though...
_"Enemy soldiers hate him"_
The title is pure gold.
You dont really notice with Ian sitting behind a desk for most vids, but dudes in fairly good shape.
Hi Ian.
Jou Afrikaans is baie goed. Hou aan met die goeie werk, ek kyk elke video van jou. Uitstekende diepte wat jy toon met die produksies.
Groete van RSA.
Ons gaan nui braai!
Dutch?
@@sd5241 not quite. Afrikaans is largely derivative of Dutch, so it's quite similar, however.
@@destre7782 thank you for the answer!
@@sd5241 Looks like Dutch, but it's a daughter language. Widely spoken in Southern Africa.
What is very noticeable in the slo-mo is the amount of barrel flex. There is some noticable flex without the device, but with it, the tip of the barrel clearly flexes down at the midline between tip and shroud.
I thought the FAL was problematic at the outset because it was originally designed for the .280 intermediate round and the ultimate .308 round used was too powerful.
I think the most valuable element of the device is how it will keep you concealed when furing in the prome position. The redirection of the gasses prevents dust blast and vegitation abnormalities to the enemy eye. It was probably still mostly used in semi-automatic just for this one benefit.
_"It's a long way to Mukumbura!"_
ITS A LONG WAY FROM YOUR HOMETOWM
Interestingly, during the slow mo footage at 3:53, you can see that the with the halbek device installed, the takedown lever gets bounced around quite a bit more than without it.
Wow, The whole frame ripples in slow motion when the device is on. I wonder if that's going to tear up the gun sooner. It can't be designed to take upward forces like that.
All guns do that lol it is an explosion launching an object at 00s of metres a second out of an object designed to be quickly broken down conforming to ergonomy of the human form etc
That pause after the first set where Ian has to process what just happened was hilarious!
It's a long way to mukumbura!
I put a JP Howitzer brake on a Weatherby Sporter in 300 wby mag. It took it from unshootable to recoilless, a truly miraculous transformation! Ever since I believe in the power of the brake.....
It works... Too much! 😁
Anyway, the Fal still rules the battlefields.
Now I'm wishing for a semi-auto segment as well, plus some other tests. I like the idea of an easy clamp on muzzle brake, but it should be more neutral and less down.
As others have pointed out, this might be good in a bipod.
Is there y version that only blocks one or two holes on the muzzle break? I would guess that would make it even better.
Maybe with a fitted slot cover that kan be slit over the holes, or even better, by mounting it further back and forth.
To adjust for the shooter and ammunition used. Why doesnt' someone design a universal, flexible muzzle break that fits on a broad line of guns and can be calibrates as needed.
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul: Don't know if if there's a universal version, but Demolition Ranch definitely had an aftermarket one a year or two back which had threaded ports and you added or removed screws to plug off ports to suit what you wanted.
Just dug up the video for you: ua-cam.com/video/YnEzN2ljWLE/v-deo.html
Ares armour tuneable muzzle brake - looks to be at least a couple of versions.
You can see in the slow motion playback that the middle section of the gun is flexing soo much more with it on.
It is awesome Ian Speaking Afrikaans
@mrfishgun
Zeker!
In Rhodesia we call the FN FLA as well as the SLR L1A1 the FN, we used both. The South African Defense force called the Weapon made under license by DENAL the R1. Although there were Afrikaans speaking people, who lived and served in the Rhodesian Army. English was the official language used in both the Army and Air Force.