Not only did you fail to use a fresh new blade during testing, obscureing the results. you also failed to highlight the other improvement changes the 2821 has. Such as an upgraded slide crank mechanism wich protects against water and dust. Anti-corrosion blade clamp, wear-resistant blade change lever, reinforced battery connection.things that don't impact your testing but should influence a buyers choice.
No. Super was slightly faster with the cast iron, and it was also faster with wood when it's orbital action was turned on. Non super was faster with galvanized and faster with wood vs super with orbital action turned off. Not sure why he even did the test that way because you'd always want the orbital action on for wood demo anyway, and it just made it confusing
Finally got my tree branches cut using my new saw ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx84IcU5pbZd1Qrz8u4-YRLmJax7kdRi7B , and it was effortless. Then tackled taking pallets apart by just cutting through the nails. Zip Zip, like butter, took no time at all! Absolutely love that you just push a button to change the blade, so quick and easy. I chose cordless because of all the outside projects I need to do, and most are too far to extend an extension cord to. Incredibly lightweight, and easy to handle. I will be using this all the time. There is a reason they call them Sawzalls , because they literally saw all the things you need cut. Once you buy one you'll kick yourself for not doing it sooner ~ Just make sure and buy the right blades for the job you want to tackle. The blades are not expensive, and there are lots of various multi-packs available.
For a carpenter, the orbital mode is a game changer for demos. Just got a super and its night and day from the gen 2. And on top of that the gen 2 bogs and stops when you really get after it, but the super just keeps friggin going. Just my two cents!
My buddy asked for one of these for his birthday. Both our houses are Milwaukee for cordless and too heavily invested in M18 to consider anything else. Looks like 2821 it is. The smaller body of the tool is an advantage as well. We work boat salvage and sometimes spaces are tight. Every inch can count. I'll peruse a few more videos before making a decision but I appreciate the video.
If space is an issue get the Hackzall. It can be used one handed. I’ll never buy a big sawzall like in this video ever again. I always need a spare hand to hold onto whatever I’m cutting, whether it’s a 2x4, pipe, etc.
I have both and the normal gen 2 is better and superior to the super sawzall. The super sawzall does not feel any stronger or faster but it’s significantly heavier and it cost more. I pretty much always use the gen 2 sawzall and never touch the super sawzall anymore.
Earned a 👍 from me if I were to give any comments other than that it was a great comparison and break down of the two I’d say the super sawzall might perform better under heavier load/ higher resistance I don’t know as I’m yet to test mine again my new sawzall it’s in the post but it would be interesting to see the results of the same test with say double the weight on the saws
Is the Gen 2 sawzall basically faster at cutting than the super sawzall when not in orbital mode? Why is the Gen 2 sawzall faster? I thought the super sawzall has a more powerful motor and that even in normal mode it should be faster…
The only real advantage the super sawzall has in this mediocre test, is that it is heavier putting more weight on the blade. Despite this, however, as a professional tradesmen I will take the lighter tool every day of the week.
I habe the super saw. I will say cutting wood in the orbital mode is way better than any other saw. If you don't cut wood a lot it's not worth the extra money.
I prefer the supers blade change it's all metal. The regular gets gunked up with stuff especially drywall dust and jams then you break the lever trying to get it free
I understand your comment and at first glance I agree, but the reason I don’t go that route is because in real world day-to-day use no one goes and buys a new blade before each task…. (That and the other reason I don’t buy new blades for every single cut is that I’m a one man operation doing this at home in my garage shop, and I don’t earn any money from these videos in order to afford $80+ worth of blades each go lol)
@@SomeGuywithTools I get it and I understand what you said. Honestly, I will buy all tools just because I'm addicted to tools. I feel it's hard to make a proper test when the blade is used. Not trying to bring you down just constructive criticism. I appreciate the time you invested. Remember in order for us to better ourselves is to push and learn from our mistakes. Food for though. Keep grinding.
@@juancarlosmunoz7177 no offense taken at al! I appreciate the feedback… it would be ideal to be able to run new blades each time for sure! And I’m the same as you I buy almost any tool I can lol
I can't help but think there's a variable that could have easily been avoided in the fact that you were using used blades. Even if they had an identical amount of wear, it leaves an unknown value in an important spot for us viewers and is a potential reason people could use to disregard your findings should they have wanted the loser to win. Plus, it's a great excuse to make another video on the subject for some easy views (maybe add the 2822-20 into the mix?) Just a thought...
Not only did you fail to use a fresh new blade during testing, obscureing the results. you also failed to highlight the other improvement changes the 2821 has. Such as an upgraded slide crank mechanism wich protects against water and dust. Anti-corrosion blade clamp, wear-resistant blade change lever, reinforced battery connection.things that don't impact your testing but should influence a buyers choice.
A lot of times when you point these things out, the creator will get offended and block you from his channel lol. Thanks for doing his work for him.
@@user-ld6wo4rv8hit’s not ‘his work’ :) focus is on performance not ‘feature count’
So wait... The regular is faster than the super in all tests?
Yes
No. Super was slightly faster with the cast iron, and it was also faster with wood when it's orbital action was turned on. Non super was faster with galvanized and faster with wood vs super with orbital action turned off. Not sure why he even did the test that way because you'd always want the orbital action on for wood demo anyway, and it just made it confusing
Odd doing a test like this without a new blade in each saw.
Finally got my tree branches cut using my new saw ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx84IcU5pbZd1Qrz8u4-YRLmJax7kdRi7B , and it was effortless. Then tackled taking pallets apart by just cutting through the nails. Zip Zip, like butter, took no time at all! Absolutely love that you just push a button to change the blade, so quick and easy. I chose cordless because of all the outside projects I need to do, and most are too far to extend an extension cord to. Incredibly lightweight, and easy to handle. I will be using this all the time. There is a reason they call them Sawzalls , because they literally saw all the things you need cut. Once you buy one you'll kick yourself for not doing it sooner ~ Just make sure and buy the right blades for the job you want to tackle. The blades are not expensive, and there are lots of various multi-packs available.
For a carpenter, the orbital mode is a game changer for demos. Just got a super and its night and day from the gen 2. And on top of that the gen 2 bogs and stops when you really get after it, but the super just keeps friggin going. Just my two cents!
You should have put a new blade in for every cut.
And even than the regular is faster that the «super»...
@FuctByTheGovernment perhaps you should financially support the channel by sending him money? These blades are NOT free :)
i love how all these experts in the trade have never heard of work hardening when it comes to cutting steels...
You don't have the orbital turned on the Super Sawzall. Test is invalid
My buddy asked for one of these for his birthday. Both our houses are Milwaukee for cordless and too heavily invested in M18 to consider anything else. Looks like 2821 it is. The smaller body of the tool is an advantage as well. We work boat salvage and sometimes spaces are tight. Every inch can count. I'll peruse a few more videos before making a decision but I appreciate the video.
If space is an issue get the Hackzall. It can be used one handed. I’ll never buy a big sawzall like in this video ever again. I always need a spare hand to hold onto whatever I’m cutting, whether it’s a 2x4, pipe, etc.
I have both and the normal gen 2 is better and superior to the super sawzall. The super sawzall does not feel any stronger or faster but it’s significantly heavier and it cost more. I pretty much always use the gen 2 sawzall and never touch the super sawzall anymore.
Set the 2722-20 on orbital then redo the test.
Earned a 👍 from me if I were to give any comments other than that it was a great comparison and break down of the two I’d say the super sawzall might perform better under heavier load/ higher resistance I don’t know as I’m yet to test mine again my new sawzall it’s in the post but it would be interesting to see the results of the same test with say double the weight on the saws
I could definitely do that! Good idea
@@SomeGuywithTools take into account that the super sawzaw weighs 2lbs more during testing.not to be to technical tho.lol
Is the Gen 2 sawzall basically faster at cutting than the super sawzall when not in orbital mode? Why is the Gen 2 sawzall faster? I thought the super sawzall has a more powerful motor and that even in normal mode it should be faster…
different stroke lenght
@@Zozo806 same everything both 3000 spm and 11/4 stroke length
The only real advantage the super sawzall has in this mediocre test, is that it is heavier putting more weight on the blade. Despite this, however, as a professional tradesmen I will take the lighter tool every day of the week.
I habe the super saw. I will say cutting wood in the orbital mode is way better than any other saw. If you don't cut wood a lot it's not worth the extra money.
That mean m18 fuel sawzall more powerfull than m18 super sawzall right?
The supersawall is twice as fast and powerfull compared to the fuel gen 2 , i mean testing recip saw with weight should be banned
They both get the job done. That's it.
What about vibration torque in your wrist between both?
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Why didn’t you use a new blade for the second one??
I was about to ask why it’s so expensive in the us when it’s only 179 here in Canada but then I realized this is the fuel ones
So I have a guy who will sell me either for the same price point !
Which one do I get ? What is the better buy ?
Don't waste you're money keep the regular gen 2. I've used both for cutting tons of limbs and it's the same results
I prefer the supers blade change it's all metal. The regular gets gunked up with stuff especially drywall dust and jams then you break the lever trying to get it free
Thanks for the video!
That is not a accurate test. U need a new blade for every test. But, I appreciate your time you invested and your video.
I understand your comment and at first glance I agree, but the reason I don’t go that route is because in real world day-to-day use no one goes and buys a new blade before each task…. (That and the other reason I don’t buy new blades for every single cut is that I’m a one man operation doing this at home in my garage shop, and I don’t earn any money from these videos in order to afford $80+ worth of blades each go lol)
@@SomeGuywithTools I get it and I understand what you said. Honestly, I will buy all tools just because I'm addicted to tools. I feel it's hard to make a proper test when the blade is used. Not trying to bring you down just constructive criticism. I appreciate the time you invested. Remember in order for us to better ourselves is to push and learn from our mistakes. Food for though. Keep grinding.
@@juancarlosmunoz7177 no offense taken at al! I appreciate the feedback… it would be ideal to be able to run new blades each time for sure! And I’m the same as you I buy almost any tool I can lol
Is there a way you check the american model nrs with europe models.
Wow. I can't believe the gen 2 whoops the super in all tests.
2821 for me. Thanks.
I just bought the super sawzall for 182$ tool only. At Home Depot
Super is if you do construction. Regular is home use. LOTS OF BATTERIES!
6 batteries and a multi charger which is like almost another thousand dollars lmao
@@maxpainmedia Yep. I have 8. Brutal raping on batteries.
The trick is to wait until they offer either a free battery with purchase of a tool or a free tool with starter kits.
You should of used a brand new blade on all the test some teeth could of been damaged from past test
I can't help but think there's a variable that could have easily been avoided in the fact that you were using used blades. Even if they had an identical amount of wear, it leaves an unknown value in an important spot for us viewers and is a potential reason people could use to disregard your findings should they have wanted the loser to win. Plus, it's a great excuse to make another video on the subject for some easy views (maybe add the 2822-20 into the mix?) Just a thought...
Yea but the heavier saw also had obviously 2 lbs. more downward pressure during each cut....something to bear in mind.
Thats not even how you hold a sawzall.
Also yes a new blade per every test is needed for accurate speed.
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So I have a guy who will sell me either for the same price point !
Which one do I get ? What is the better buy ?
Depends whether you need the oscillation of the super sawzall or not… for me personally I prefer the 2821-20