I liked the third one best! You could really easily tell the student horn was #2, but I think intermediate and up are very difficult to tell apart. I was surprised at how dark the third horn sounded comparatively
That was really interesting. Even on my iPhone speaker I could tell the difference and immediately grade each one. Normally I’m the “they all sound the same” guy but maybe because your sound is so mega on your six I could almost feel the restriction in my vocal tract on the JP when you played. I was vicariously living the experience of playing each horn through you. Odd. I also intuitively felt your ideas were flowing more smoothly through the six, which is totally “duh” of course!
I knew the first one was the Mark VI…couldn’t tell much difference between #2 and 3 though #3 looked like it played a little easier…I recently had the opportunity to play a ton of saxes from a group of 4 Mark VIs from different eras from 1956-1973, and a whole range of other pro, intermediate, and student models…I recorded them and then listened back later…while there were some differences, I expected a bigger disparity…which led to my conclusion about saxes…especially when I had to explain to my wife why I needed a 3rd sax (Yani AWO33) in addition to my Mark VI and YAS-62…she felt they all sounded the same…my response was/is, it’s like riding a horse…you can watch me ride a horse with different saddles and even without a saddle, and you won’t see a difference in my ride…but for me, there will be a huge difference…My Mark VI is a beast and so much fun to play, but it is like riding bare back where there are certain notes that need to be tamed big time to make it all sound good…my Yani pretty much plays itself and the ergonomics are unmatched…like wearing a glove. My YAS-62 has been my oldest horn and just feels really comfortable, but it never feels quite the way I want it to…
Mark VI was a toss up between 1 and 3 but the scoop note on 2nd song indicated #1 was your horn. There are certain things you can only do with perfection on your own baby, and that scoop note was it
Awesome comparison! I thought #3 was the hands down best in sound. Quite happy to find out that it doesn't come at Mark VI prices. Thanks so much for the video! Really enjoyed the playing.
Ok this is my guess without knowing the answer ... 1. Cheapest jean Paul 2. Mark 6 3. Mid tier jean paul sax Ok I got it totally wrong....just goes to show they sound the same to the listener.
My thoughts before the unveiling: 1 and 3 sound so similar I think they have to be the JP's but I can't tell which one is which JP. #2 sounds less bright with warmer mids. As for ranking - don't know that I could. They all sounded good to me.
For what they are, I was pretty impressed with both the jean pauls. On the Mark VI scale, I think you get about $600-worth for the AS-400. I'd say the AS-860S is worth about $2500. The Mark VI obviously has tone at both the bottom and top ends that are worth the additional $2500-if you are working to get to the pro level. I'm thinking that they don't all have the same pads which would make the a difference in the overall tone in all 3 horns.
The real question is which one feels best to play? We can compare sound all day, but unless the horn feels great in my hands, it's no deal! Great shredding, Dave! :)
I focussed on warmth and breadth of tone and thought #2 and #3 were the MarkIV. Wrong! I guessed right on the last example, so there doesn't seem to be much between them to my ears. I think you have such a strong and consistent sound concept that you manage to even things out wither way. Anyway: you still have the planet's most beautiful alto sound. Thanks for the post!
Interesting you selected Jean Paul as intermediate horn instead of something like Yamaha YAS-480, the real go to intermediate horn I like to compare any horn for better or worse
It was really obvious which one was which, but I feel like you can have similar results with just playing three different mkVI's. What makes the mkVI great are its imperfections, which make the instrument very personal once you find the one that just works for you. The 500$ is a little lower quality sound wise, but the 1500$ one can easily be brought on stage. Great job!
Are the recordings dry? It might be easier to tell the difference without any effects. I guess that means they sound pretty similar. But is that because you’re such an accomplished sax player? Would a beginner be able to get the same results from all three?
In the beginning, I was super convinced that number 3 was the mark vi, but once you played the ballad it was pretty obvious after going back and fourth between number 1 and 3 that 1 was the mark vi. You just sounded so relaxed and comfortable on number 1 on the ballad. I immediately knew that number 2 was the student model, and I'm sure everyone could agree
I've always felt dumb with videos like this lol... I was half watching this while doing something else and I couldn't even tell when the saxophones switched during the blind portions. I do believe that it's mostly about the player and kinda the mouthpiece.
Wow, in the beginning I liked 3 the best than 2. And 1. Last minute I could not decide between which I liked best between 1 and 3, 2 was at last place. It’s crazy how similar they all are to me! Says a lot about the player 🙏🏽
I've been thinking about buying a JP, but from the first notes of the first video I started wanting a Mark VI for the first time. It's surely got more overtones going on - it's sweeter, richer. When you slide between notes there's much more going on tonally than with the 860s. Some of your Mark VI keys might need new pads or something though. Anyway, this was very interesting, thanks.
It's obvious that the Selmer is #1. You just seemed more relaxed playing on it and it's tone quality is just better then the other two. That's always the case with an instrument you know well. The differences in #2 and #3 are stark. The #2 horn has a darker tone quality to it but it still sounds great. #3 has a nice rich, but also darker tone that is better then #2. I would say that #2 is the student sax and # 3 is the pro sax from Jean Paul. They all sound great though. I think the difference in sound quality between #1 and #3 is so small that the Jean Paul is worth it just because of the great value of the horn compared to the high cost of the Selmer, and I kinda like the rich, slightly darker tones of the Jean Paul. And your playing is amazing.
1,3,2 the Jean Paul's sounded pretty similar through the crappy speakers in my TV. The Mark VI sounded brighter and cleaner even with stickers all over it. To be fair put stickers on the JPs and do it again. The Jean Paul's still sounded pretty good, due to an awesome player and the awesome 10MFan mouthpiece.
I actually guessed this correctly. To the listener, the main difference is the low-end component of the sound. The Mark 6 sounds dark with really deep, rich lower notes. The student horn sounds a relatively thin and bright but still good (you're a great player). The more expensive Sam Ash horn sounds somewhere in between.
The Mark VI definitely stood out from the rest in this blind test. It had a character that wasn’t present in the other 2 horns. It was much closer betw the other 2 and took a little bit more critical listening to make out that the 3rd horn had a slightly thicker sound and a slightly more unique character overall than the 2nd one. 2nd one sounded just a tad thinner but the difference is really minute and one would be hard pressed to distinguish that difference readily. You sounded great on all 3 that’s the bottom line! 😂
I liked the mellower tone of #2 most, but the dynamics of #3. I got the Mark VI & the JP AS400 mixed, partly because the high notes seemed clearer on the JP. Ha.
I go with 3. Question for me is always sound.But build quality is really important! Is the metal too soft to hold an adjustment for 6 months? Are the pivot screws the same type as Selmer, Yanigisawa, Yamaha, Kielwurth . If they are the same as Mauriat, for example, you will be in the shop to have the rods swedged, and that is big money. I own a Mauriat and had proper screws put in. Expensive but now I´m not going in to the shop every 6 weeks.Thanks Dave-excellent demo.
2 sounds very stuffy. I’m going to guess 1 is the six because your intonation seemed slightly more in check on 1 than the other 2, possibly because you are more used to the intonation tendencies of the six than the Jean Pauls.
#2 sounds more stuffy and didn't sound as good as the other 2 when compared - hard to tell any difference between all 3 on the real fast passages. On their own they each sound good with you playing - I took a chance and bought an inexpensive tenor this last year and have been glad to have a playable sax to enjoy.
Wondering why you did7play exactly the same thing on each sax, clearly the playing on the vi was more embellished and soulful. Maybe not a true comparison?
My thoughts as I listen: I'm just not going to comment on #1 until I have a comparison, but I like your tone. Very modern and direct, but with a not inconsiderable touch of Desmond. #2 Definitely a darker sound, and maybe a little less complex. No, no, as I listen more, something sounds off, and my wild guess is that you aren't very comfortable on this sax. #3 is brighter again, but still warm. The 'off' sound is gone again. Rewinding to compare #1 to #3 directly... and you could tell me these are the same horn and I wouldn't argue. You sound like you on both (which is hardly surprising). After listening to the other covered samples I have nothing further to add, except ew to that one low note on #2. I assume you own the Mark VI and play it regularly? If that is correct, then I predict #2 is the cheapie. I have no guesses on the other two. I'm glad you talked about the feel as a consideration in deciding whether a more expensive instrument is 'worth it'. I will say, technical details are far from everything with the feel of the instrument. Maintenance condition is absolutely very important, but if we assume an instrument is in good maintenance, the bore of the sax matters a great deal in how it feels even if the direct impact on your tone is surprisingly small. You can have a Mark VI, a Keilwerth Toneking, and a Conn 6M of the same era overhauled at the same tech at the same time with the same materials, and they will still be very obviously different instruments to any decent player. Since you play a VI, I'm guessing you'd like the Selmer the most. I'd very likely prefer the Keilwerth. It's all a matter of taste. Good video though.
For me, #2 had a stuffy, non-resonant sound so guessing this is the As-400. #1 and #3 were similar but #1 had more of a depth in the sound, so guessing #1 is the MkVI.
I don't think this test is fair. Two from the same company and one from another one. The level of appreciation of a sound is purely subjective. The player could be influenced by personal preference and play with different emphasis on each instrument.
I knew #1 was the Mark VI but I mixed up #2 and #3. That was a surprise!
Yeah I really thought #3 was the as-400
Same! Very surprising! Excellent video
same
The Mark VI sounds best by far! It has the most colors and overtones in the sound.
I liked the third one best! You could really easily tell the student horn was #2, but I think intermediate and up are very difficult to tell apart. I was surprised at how dark the third horn sounded comparatively
Or maybe more dry; which is my preference
I don't know about this one, Dave. The Jean Paul horns have a clear disadvantage with the lack of stickers, making them incomparable.
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That was really interesting. Even on my iPhone speaker I could tell the difference and immediately grade each one. Normally I’m the “they all sound the same” guy but maybe because your sound is so mega on your six I could almost feel the restriction in my vocal tract on the JP when you played. I was vicariously living the experience of playing each horn through you. Odd. I also intuitively felt your ideas were flowing more smoothly through the six, which is totally “duh” of course!
I liked 2 then 3 then 1. Of course, this is thru my iPhone, so I expect my ratings may change if I hear the performances live.
I thought 2 was the brightest biggest sound then 3 then 1.wow! I'm beggining to reconsider my mark6 bias.
I knew the first one was the Mark VI…couldn’t tell much difference between #2 and 3 though #3 looked like it played a little easier…I recently had the opportunity to play a ton of saxes from a group of 4 Mark VIs from different eras from 1956-1973, and a whole range of other pro, intermediate, and student models…I recorded them and then listened back later…while there were some differences, I expected a bigger disparity…which led to my conclusion about saxes…especially when I had to explain to my wife why I needed a 3rd sax (Yani AWO33) in addition to my Mark VI and YAS-62…she felt they all sounded the same…my response was/is, it’s like riding a horse…you can watch me ride a horse with different saddles and even without a saddle, and you won’t see a difference in my ride…but for me, there will be a huge difference…My Mark VI is a beast and so much fun to play, but it is like riding bare back where there are certain notes that need to be tamed big time to make it all sound good…my Yani pretty much plays itself and the ergonomics are unmatched…like wearing a glove. My YAS-62 has been my oldest horn and just feels really comfortable, but it never feels quite the way I want it to…
I was absolutely shocked. My least favorite was the Mark VI by far.
Me too
Mark VI was a toss up between 1 and 3 but the scoop note on 2nd song indicated #1 was your horn. There are certain things you can only do with perfection on your own baby, and that scoop note was it
Awesome comparison! I thought #3 was the hands down best in sound. Quite happy to find out that it doesn't come at Mark VI prices. Thanks so much for the video! Really enjoyed the playing.
Ok this is my guess without knowing the answer ...
1. Cheapest jean Paul
2. Mark 6
3. Mid tier jean paul sax
Ok I got it totally wrong....just goes to show they sound the same to the listener.
3 is more focused to me and with higher harmonics throughout,which I think is related to the silver. Fantastic comparison test!
My thoughts before the unveiling: 1 and 3 sound so similar I think they have to be the JP's but I can't tell which one is which JP. #2 sounds less bright with warmer mids. As for ranking - don't know that I could. They all sounded good to me.
For what they are, I was pretty impressed with both the jean pauls. On the Mark VI scale, I think you get about $600-worth for the AS-400. I'd say the AS-860S is worth about $2500. The Mark VI obviously has tone at both the bottom and top ends that are worth the additional $2500-if you are working to get to the pro level. I'm thinking that they don't all have the same pads which would make the a difference in the overall tone in all 3 horns.
The real question is which one feels best to play? We can compare sound all day, but unless the horn feels great in my hands, it's no deal! Great shredding, Dave! :)
Obviously my Mark VI - i’ve been playing it for 20+ years!
I focussed on warmth and breadth of tone and thought #2 and #3 were the MarkIV. Wrong! I guessed right on the last example, so there doesn't seem to be much between them to my ears. I think you have such a strong and consistent sound concept that you manage to even things out wither way. Anyway: you still have the planet's most beautiful alto sound. Thanks for the post!
Interesting you selected Jean Paul as intermediate horn instead of something like Yamaha YAS-480, the real go to intermediate horn I like to compare any horn for better or worse
It was really obvious which one was which, but I feel like you can have similar results with just playing three different mkVI's. What makes the mkVI great are its imperfections, which make the instrument very personal once you find the one that just works for you. The 500$ is a little lower quality sound wise, but the 1500$ one can easily be brought on stage. Great job!
I think the number three is the 400 the number one is the Selmer and the number two is the 800
Honestly...the horns are secondary in this video. You sound SO GOOD!!! Can't help but notice a little Dick Oatts influence? Did you study with him?
Thanks so much! He’s my biggest overall influence, but no i never studied with him
I liked 1 the best then 2 and 3. With the last playthrough I wasn't so keen on the higher notes of 2 and leaned towards 3 a little more.
Great job. Really enjoyed the comparison.
Are the recordings dry? It might be easier to tell the difference without any effects. I guess that means they sound pretty similar. But is that because you’re such an accomplished sax player? Would a beginner be able to get the same results from all three?
Wow, I was surprised at how much you sounded like Desmond on the $500 JP AS-400...
In the beginning, I was super convinced that number 3 was the mark vi, but once you played the ballad it was pretty obvious after going back and fourth between number 1 and 3 that 1 was the mark vi. You just sounded so relaxed and comfortable on number 1 on the ballad. I immediately knew that number 2 was the student model, and I'm sure everyone could agree
My favourite es #2. I think it has the thickest sound. The cheapest one! Amazing! :-O
I've always felt dumb with videos like this lol... I was half watching this while doing something else and I couldn't even tell when the saxophones switched during the blind portions. I do believe that it's mostly about the player and kinda the mouthpiece.
Crazy to think that the original “purchase price” of the Mark VI was probably less than $500!
Wow, in the beginning I liked 3 the best than 2. And 1.
Last minute I could not decide between which I liked best between 1 and 3, 2 was at last place.
It’s crazy how similar they all are to me! Says a lot about the player 🙏🏽
Liked #2 the best but then again I am a trumpet player…lol
I've been thinking about buying a JP, but from the first notes of the first video I started wanting a Mark VI for the first time. It's surely got more overtones going on - it's sweeter, richer. When you slide between notes there's much more going on tonally than with the 860s. Some of your Mark VI keys might need new pads or something though. Anyway, this was very interesting, thanks.
It's obvious that the Selmer is #1. You just seemed more relaxed playing on it and it's tone quality is just better then the other two. That's always the case with an instrument you know well. The differences in #2 and #3 are stark. The #2 horn has a darker tone quality to it but it still sounds great. #3 has a nice rich, but also darker tone that is better then #2. I would say that #2 is the student sax and # 3 is the pro sax from Jean Paul. They all sound great though. I think the difference in sound quality between #1 and #3 is so small that the Jean Paul is worth it just because of the great value of the horn compared to the high cost of the Selmer, and I kinda like the rich, slightly darker tones of the Jean Paul.
And your playing is amazing.
Tbh I can barely tell the difference, one thing I can say is that your tone is beautiful
Also you play the mark VI with more passion.
Pegged it right off, but then again I play a silver horn so was able to hear that distinction. The #2 AS was stuffier than the Selmer.
1,3,2 the Jean Paul's sounded pretty similar through the crappy speakers in my TV. The Mark VI sounded brighter and cleaner even with stickers all over it. To be fair put stickers on the JPs and do it again.
The Jean Paul's still sounded pretty good, due to an awesome player and the awesome 10MFan mouthpiece.
I actually guessed this correctly. To the listener, the main difference is the low-end component of the sound. The Mark 6 sounds dark with really deep, rich lower notes. The student horn sounds a relatively thin and bright but still good (you're a great player). The more expensive Sam Ash horn sounds somewhere in between.
"Old" Selmer Mark VI, a incredible saxophone.
All sounded great! I could confidently identify #2 as the Two Buck Chuck, but I was unsure about the identifies of #1 and #3.
The Mark VI definitely stood out from the rest in this blind test. It had a character that wasn’t present in the other 2 horns. It was much closer betw the other 2 and took a little bit more critical listening to make out that the 3rd horn had a slightly thicker sound and a slightly more unique character overall than the 2nd one. 2nd one sounded just a tad thinner but the difference is really minute and one would be hard pressed to distinguish that difference readily.
You sounded great on all 3 that’s the bottom line! 😂
I thought number 1 was the cheaper one because I mistook the smooth buttery sound as compensating for air leaks lol
I liked the mellower tone of #2 most, but the dynamics of #3. I got the Mark VI & the JP AS400 mixed, partly because the high notes seemed clearer on the JP. Ha.
Video teview of 680s you mentioned?
I have to reach out for them to send me one. If they do, I’ll review it!
I go with 3. Question for me is always sound.But build quality is really important! Is the metal too soft to hold an adjustment for 6 months?
Are the pivot screws the same type as Selmer, Yanigisawa, Yamaha, Kielwurth . If they are the same as Mauriat, for example, you will be in the shop to have the rods swedged, and that is big money. I own a
Mauriat and had proper screws put in. Expensive but now I´m not going in to the shop every 6 weeks.Thanks Dave-excellent demo.
i like the #2 the most
All my guesses were correct, I think all three sounded great but distinctly different
2 sounds very stuffy. I’m going to guess 1 is the six because your intonation seemed slightly more in check on 1 than the other 2, possibly because you are more used to the intonation tendencies of the six than the Jean Pauls.
I actually got them all right!!
860s review video?
I liked #2 the best, then #3. #1 one sounded thin and shrill to me.
i like the dramatic edits
I had to Selma right in the other two
Great playing as always Dave, and my all of my guesses were correct btw :)
1 Is the VI. i would say 2 is the 860S and 3 is the 400
You can se the diference between the selmer sound and others.
Both Jps are significantly darker than the 6 imo
#2 sounds more stuffy and didn't sound as good as the other 2 when compared - hard to tell any difference between all 3 on the real fast passages. On their own they each sound good with you playing - I took a chance and bought an inexpensive tenor this last year and have been glad to have a playable sax to enjoy.
The first and most affordable had the best sound imho.
So, I assume the ugly one with the stickers is the 500 dollar one, right? Didn't see the video yet... ;)
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Wondering why you did7play exactly the same thing on each sax, clearly the playing on the vi was more embellished and soulful. Maybe not a true comparison?
what chart are you playing?
The days of wine and roses, polka dots and moonbeams, and eternal triangle
My thoughts as I listen:
I'm just not going to comment on #1 until I have a comparison, but I like your tone. Very modern and direct, but with a not inconsiderable touch of Desmond.
#2 Definitely a darker sound, and maybe a little less complex. No, no, as I listen more, something sounds off, and my wild guess is that you aren't very comfortable on this sax.
#3 is brighter again, but still warm. The 'off' sound is gone again.
Rewinding to compare #1 to #3 directly... and you could tell me these are the same horn and I wouldn't argue. You sound like you on both (which is hardly surprising).
After listening to the other covered samples I have nothing further to add, except ew to that one low note on #2.
I assume you own the Mark VI and play it regularly? If that is correct, then I predict #2 is the cheapie. I have no guesses on the other two.
I'm glad you talked about the feel as a consideration in deciding whether a more expensive instrument is 'worth it'.
I will say, technical details are far from everything with the feel of the instrument. Maintenance condition is absolutely very important, but if we assume an instrument is in good maintenance, the bore of the sax matters a great deal in how it feels even if the direct impact on your tone is surprisingly small.
You can have a Mark VI, a Keilwerth Toneking, and a Conn 6M of the same era overhauled at the same tech at the same time with the same materials, and they will still be very obviously different instruments to any decent player. Since you play a VI, I'm guessing you'd like the Selmer the most. I'd very likely prefer the Keilwerth. It's all a matter of taste.
Good video though.
For me, #2 had a stuffy, non-resonant sound so guessing this is the As-400. #1 and #3 were similar but #1 had more of a depth in the sound, so guessing #1 is the MkVI.
1 1500 2 5000 3 500
I don't think this test is fair.
Two from the same company and one from another one.
The level of appreciation of a sound is purely subjective.
The player could be influenced by personal preference and play with different emphasis on each instrument.
Mark vi still on top
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