I purchase the AS-860 about a year ago after viewing Doc's video. The case was definitely an issue as the horn arrived with a leg of the Bb cage loose. I called them up and immediately got the technician. They shipped me a new horn overnight air at their expense after the technician went over the new horn and sent me a video of him doing so. The new horn arrived in tact and has been a delight to play. I have had no problems with the AS-860. Just some minor adjustments of the screws as the pads settled in. The only complaint I can muster is that the horn came without any AS-860 marking. I was told the serial number would be sufficient to verify the horn was an AS-860 by calling the factory. It plays great and was a good backup while my Selmer Super Action 80 was being overhauled. I'd give the horn 5 stars for sure and 5+ for their service. Thanks Dr Wally for the review. I'm in total agreement.
I got one a couple days ago. It's really nice compared to the AS 400 tht I had since Jan., when I started trying to learn from ground zero. Never touched one before. If you take off the neck, and look down the horn , is there a screw that comes through on the inside of the horn about an inch down the tube, and sticks out about a quarter of an inch? It is connected to the long brace that supports the upper keys, and apparently was not cut off flush with the inside of the horn. I got a pull through swab stuck on that screw, and had a hell of a time trying to get it out. My guess is that it shouldn't be there. I also wonder if it will effect the intonation., and my ability to hi t certain notes. Thanks. I'm trying to determine if that's normal before I send it back.
What you are referring to is the register key extension. It protrudes into the center of the air column to produce the first overtone, the octave, when the register key is opened. You will see this protrusion within the barrel of most woodwind instruments like the clarinet for example. Nothing wrong with your horn. @@ronmay5589
I notice very little difference in response and sound between the instruments. In my experience the sound/response is more an issue of the combination of reed/mouth piece/embouchure. However, I will say that I find the AS-860 has a better response on low B, Bb and for that reason I am preferring to play the AS-860, especially when practicing overtones. @@frankgreen8137
It's great to see a review that is real - both in that you are not in it for financial gain AND this is more than an "immediate response" to the horn, Really living with something makes a big difference in the information that comes from the review. Many thanks!
Dr Wally: I don’t think you have to qualify your playing this instrument as “masochistic” etc….. Back in repair school 2002-2003 we took apart a Chinese trumpet or two and they were terrible: fitment of the parts, finish, solder joints, valve tolerances, etc. Our teacher wanted two things from we students 1) take note of what’s going wrong on these Chinese horns and 2) if they want to be around in 10-20 years, expect them to improve. Lo and behold here we are. There are many great products coming from Taiwan/China these days, and it’s not masochistic at all to embrace this! Think of early Japanese (Yamaha) instrument. The early ones (1970’s to 1980’s) were excellent BEGINNINGS but benefited from development. Nobody really hesitates to give Japanese horns an honest try these days. And these companies have earned this respect the old fashioned way! This time is coming for Chinese/Taiwan instruments if it’s not already here. Thanks for your great content! You’re great!
Wonderful Video Dr. Wally, as with them all. Am 82 years of age and started playing 8 years ago, now with a Selmer Ref.54 - the only difficult part is always your ending ......... Go practice !!!!. But I do!., as far away as the UK
Jean Paul's offerings seem like they're extremely solid for the price. I bought their intermediate torture stick (a CL-400) for doubling and it is a pretty well-built instrument that plays well with good intonation, and has held up. Of course I immediately threw a Vandoren 5JB on it like the saxophone heathen that I am.
Jean Paul is the real deal. I have the JP AS-400 and it's a great and fun student sax. Now I'm really considering the AS-860 as an upgrade. Thanks for the video.
Thanks, Dale, very much agree. I think a lot of people confuse quality with "luxury." I think price needs to meet function in a meaningful way. I think Jean Paul nailed it.
Thanks Dr Wally! I play tenor and I have played a Jean Paul TS 400 for about a year and a half. I love it! I can't wait until the Pro Jean Paul Tenor comes out! Thanks again for the awesome review and videos!!
I recently bought their curved soprano, they sell it as an intermediate horn. It’s a lot of fun! I think intonation is fine. It’s surprisingly heavy but with decent ergonomics.
Hello Mike, I am looking to buy the curved soprano and I would like to know if you still be happy with it after this time. It seems to be a good horn/value. Thanks for your help
Here’s the thing about, ‘Made in China’ that has been misunderstood. China produces what the market demands. For years the American market demanded cheap, disposable products and that’s what China gave them. But they have always been capable of high quality and produced high quality for the markets that demanded it. There’s now a shift in some markets for high(er) quality and China is delivering. You want some of the highest quality electronics on the market? China. But it’s not going to be cheap. On the sax side, I’m glad you did this review. I started sax 1 1/2 years ago and started with the student version of JP and have no complaints on quality. It still plays as well as it did when new and I’ve probably got 1200-1400 hours on it (had a lot of spare time with covid). I’m considering their pro version and also want to purchase a tenor and soprano and go all in. This gives me confidence to consider JP with those horns as well. Thanks Doc Wally for this honest and candid review. 😊
Great review. I found it interesting that you mentioned that the King sax you got when trying vintage horns wasn't up-to-snuff. In the 1960's I learned on a Conn alto that I borrowed, then I bought a Selmer Mark VI. I was very pleased with the horn, but then I heard that the Selmer Mark VI was the best tenor, but the King was the best alto. The only regret I had about the Mark VI was that it got stolen after I had it for about 3 years. I stopped playing for a looong time. Now I have a used Almati, that I bought in '95, but it took me 15 years before I got it into proper playing condition.
I have 3 of their student saxophones, the Tenor, Alto, and Soprano, and after 3 years of playing I haven't had to have a single repair. No leaks, no wonky springs, nothing. The tuning and intonation are solid, and they are fun to play. I did have to adjust 2 of the springs on my alto when I first got it because they didn't close quite fast enough, but a little tweak with a spring tool and it's been playing fine ever since. I also started on a Jean Paul CL300 clarinet which has similarly been playing great for several years now, and while my main is an E11 now, I don't mind playing the jean paul at all. It's not like the other crap you get on Amazon. They are heavy, solid, well built, and feel like an instrument not a toy.
Wow, what a great review. And if you really mean that you've declined their affiliate offer, then my honest respect. I'm so tired of the guys saying "that's video is not sponsored, however Native Instruments kindly send me this as a gift and you can have a discount, bla-bla..." and then I can't even return that junk to the store cause I'm in Ukraine, ugh... Thanks again and best wishes from Ukraine!
Hi Doc, I have a question for you: did you see any sound inprovement on your JeanPaul after playing it for one year? Thank you in advance and great video, as usual...
I bought the AS400 alto sax about 5 months ago and have logged around 20 hours on it so far. My only complaint is that the G# keypad tended to stick to the keyhole initially. After breaking it in and cleaning it a few times this was no longer an issue. Other than that it has been fantastic to play! My other horn is an Allora Vienna series intermediate tenor sax and I've probably put 500+ hours on over the course of a decade. I know it's comparing green apples to red apples, but I have to say that my Jean Paul outplays my Allora any day of the week. Excellent reviews between this one and your review from a year ago! Let me know if you want to sell your lacquered 860 😉
Applying Liquid Campho Phenique to the pad with a pipe cleaner will eliminate sticking keys. G# in always a bear because it relies on a single light spring to open. Learned this from Ken Beason, the best tech know to man.
Thank you so much for your videos. I have a Selmer Radio Improved and the intonation in the upper register is difficult for me to control. I also have an 1970's Mark VI tenor and I do not have the same issues with playing in tune on that horn. I was wondering how much was due to my skill as a player vs the horn. And on another topic, your 56 mouthpiece has made playing so much more fun. I've never bought a new piece of gear that actually OVERdelivered!
Great video as always. I had the Jean Paul beginner horn for a while now and I was planning to upgrade to a pro horn. where I live I can get a used Yamaha YAS-62 and a new jean paul as860 for about the same price and I can't really decide... Since you've played both for a reasonable amount pf time... What would you do? Thanks in advance Doc ❤
Wow!! What a great sound!!!! Than You so very much for this video . Not only I enjoyed watching you you play it but totally got me interested. Why ?? Great question thank very much..lol I own the student tenor sax And as much as I enjoyed playing tlmy tenor O am more an Alto Saxophone player. For medical issues it's difficult for me to play th Tenor so I find myself playing the Alto Saxophone. That being said I would love to own the Unlaquer Alto Profesional Saxophone. I used saxophone as music therapy after my service in the military Desert Storm to be specific and it does help me a lot to cope with my everyday issues. But enough of that. Maybe one day I be able to get that Alto Saxophone by Jean Paul cuz it really a beautiful sound. Unlike the used Alto that it asking me for retirement.. lol
Great video Dr Wally. And I guess well done Jean Paul. Are all these various branded horns coming out of the same Chinese factory, or are there several, competing for the business? Also, that piece you played at 15.45. That altissimo phrase. is gorgeous, clean and in tune. Please do a video on Altissimo fluency!
Love your channel Dr. WW. Amazing teaching skills. and now, selling skills. What is the pretty sax you usually use as your prop / knee accessory when you talk to camera?
Another ver useful video, Dr. Wally. How does the JP compare to the Selmer Mk VI you’ve been playing recently? And how do these 3 compare- your Yamaha, the MKVI and your Yani?
Selmer mark vi has a darker "core" to the sound, but low end is not as clear/responsive as the Jean Paul. Yani is just heavy and felt "dull" to play (though many disagree with me). Yahama is kind of in the middle between the vi and yaigisawa. I prefer the Yamaha and mark vi - but those cost many many times more. I'd take the Jean Paul over the Yanigisawa (though resale is going to be rough on the Jean Paul).
Hi Doc since you been trying so many sax. Have you ever try a straight alto or tenor ? I bought a Dakota straight alto which is brand new and it's still in its box because the case is so large and it not easy to carry around, but also havn't blow for 2yrs due to chest/lungs problen but still enjoy your videos
Whilst I don't play the saxophone myself, I love your videos, and Totally Geeky sense of humour. I think you can get these in Australia, via Amazon. I'm not sure what getting spare parts would be like, here in Oz ?
I have a Super 20 silversonic from the 70's intonation sucks but everything else is awesome! (OK, the keywork is a little clunky as well) Really been a frustrating experience for 40+ years but still haven't found anything I like better for the amount of money, just have to constantly think about adjusting to the intonation. Bad decisions you make when you're 16, LOL!
So Doc. Just a question on this sax. There are some saxophones that you pick up, they are so fun and so resonant that you can't put them down. I found that to be true of a lot of the cannonballs and keilwerths...I have an AS 400 and for me, it has some of the exciting features of a keilwerth meets selmer aspect. Do these pro horns have all of the fun quirks? Like, are they "I can't put the sax down" type horns? In some keilwerths, I can get a vibrating where I can hear some of the upper springs ring or speak- a funny quirk that I love so much. Are these pro horns like that? Do they have the interesting aspects? I can get that feeling on my AS 400.... I hope you understand my question. It's hard to really verbalize what I look for when I like a horn. And a while a lot of the newer horns are very good horns, they lack in personality. How do you rate these pro models? Thanks Doc Wally
Hmmm... interesting. I've have my trusty mkVI alto since 9th grade..45yrs? (I'm getting old). Rock solid.. only minor work all these years. A few year back after playing outside in a freezing rainstorm in a holiday parade it occurred to me... I really need to take better care of this instrument.. I picked up a 80's Selmer USA as110..perhaps one of the last decent American made saxes.. However I paid $700..(too much considering condition- mismatched pads and all).. then spent $800 on a total redo.. Like $1500 invested...on a horn valued at maybe $700-1000 bucks. I love the slightly more modern keywork..but probably as expected.. doesn't sing like my mk VI and weighs a bit more..So I use it for outdoor & sketchy gigs. I probably would have been much better off buying the Jean Paul.
The Never Ending Story is my all-time favorite movie!! I think that if you buy the instrument, there is no conflict of interest in terms of using an affiliate link but if it is given to you by the manufacturer, that is a dicey issue. I truly hope that you use the affiliate link that they offer. Here is the math that will convince you. At 5% commission on a $1,300 sax, that grants you $65 per horn. You can reasonably sell 100 through your affiliate link over the year in that you have been playing this sax in every video. This grants you $6,500!!! Its scarier if your video goes viral and you sell 1,000. That would grant you $65,000. From a certain point of view, by not using the affiliate program you will have essentially paid $65,000 for the saxophone. I think that with the honesty and integrity you have with your channel, you deserve the commission you could earn from this. I'd love to know how many Cannonball saxophones were sold because someone watched my videos over the last 14 years.
Would you mind sharing where the Mark VI was purchased? I heard it's hard to buy a good one because it really depends on buying from a reliable seller and who did the overhaul. Thanks for the great review! I wish I'd have considered this before spending more money on a pro horn.
Happy to help with the mark vi. I have a dealer I trust to pick a great one at true market value price (and gives fair trade in values as well). Give Brian Curry at www.getasax.com a call. He's never steered me wrong, always finding a great "example" of whichever horn I was looking for (and very fair value on my trade ins). Tell him Wally sent ya!
@@drwallysax Thanks a lot Wally! I was asking for a more experienced player. I've listened to soooo many UA-camrs that are awesome. You're the best! The curriculum on your site is absolutely amazing. Hoping to join your squad after much practice, but I'm not ready right now. I started this year and am hoping to improve with your training materials. Wish you all the best!
Aristocrat and True Tone, yes. Never tried a Martin. I know Art Pepper recorded one of my favorite records on one, but it's just not something I explored with my dealer (Brian at getasax.com).
I just bought one. It's really nice compared to the AS400. I'm a total beginner. Can you please look down the inside of the horn, and see if there is a screw about an inch below where the neck attaches, and protrudes about a quarter of an inch on the inside of the horn. I got a pull through swab stuck in the horn. Also would that effect the intonation, or high notes by obstructing the airflow? I find the intonation is a tiny bit flat, and the high notes and F# are weaker and flatter than when I played them on the AS 400. Before I send it back, I'm trying to find out if that screw should be sticking out like that. I don't think it should, but I'd like to be sure. Thanks Alot.
@@drwallysax You know what? It does look more like a little pipe,.. although I can't really see the end. It's attached to the rail that holds the 3rd key on. The rail next to it doesn't go through the tube, and I thought that this one either went through to provide additional strength, or they forgot to cut it off flush with the inside of the horn. SO glad I asked you before I sent it back, or bothered anyone about it. Jean Paul customer service is incredible, and has bent over backwards to help me. It's the Anniversary edition, and is a really nice horn. I guess I''ll just have to be careful when I run that swab through it. I got it suck on that little pipe, and couldn't get it out. I'm a strong guy, and I didn't want to break it. Eventually, I was able to push the swab down the horn, and fish it out from the bell. Thank you so much for your input , and clarification. I really appreciate your help, and expertise. Thanks Again, Ron May.
@@ronmay5589 Excellent, glad we got it sorted. Yes, it supposed to stick out (or in) a bit - it's the same thing that's inside your neck (primary octave pip). It's vent that "splits" the airstream - there's 2 to help tuning. You're all good, happy practicing!
I have a Jean Paul alto AS-400 and a Yamaha alto YAS-62 (purple logo from mid 80s). What was obvious to me immediately was the intonation AS-400 is very good indeed (although my Yamaha could do with some adjustment). What I didn't like about the AS-400 was the ergonomics, the Yamaha is alot more comfortable. However, Jean Paul I believe has addressed this with this latest model, AS-860.
Love the video! I too like that it is an American company. I had already heard many wonderful things about the owners. Really wanted to buy a silver tenor, but I do my best to avoid buying as many things as possible made in communist countries.
Mr Dr WW, your mark VI, compared to the Jean Paul, surely the JP is more user friendly? and does your mark VI require far more "TLC" then a new JP. Coming from a vintage guitar collector, they are nice to have. a pain in the butt to keep in tune / working order. I imagine it is the same for saxophones?
The Jean Paul is certainly easier to play - low end response is effortless - the Selmer is a bit wonky (well known design issue). Vintage saxophones, once they are overhauled, set up, and settle in (corks, felt, etc settle and pads become settled) they should be just fine for the long haul. I only brave the vintage thing now because I have a VERY reputable dealer down the road! You are correct, new is hassle free and much more cost effective!
@@drwallysax thank you for your response Dr! Confirmed, same with vintage guitars. They are fine......... after a huge bucket of money thrown at them (overhaul) and will always have their individual characteristics. I envy the amount of horns you have had a chance to blow ..... I should have worded that differently but here we are.
Whomp, there it is! Trust me folks, nothing is for free! Also when these instruments are demoed, nothing is played raw. It is mixed. Don’t buy into the hype! He prefers his Mark VI because it’s the best saxophone made, period!
Any plans to try and review the BetterSax by Conn-Selmer? It seems to be to the only real competitor to the Jean Paul at this price point. Would love to hear a comparison.
No plans at this time. I generally only review gear that is sent to me, or I have access to with my retail friends. The "Better-Sax" isn't available for retail, so my dealers don't have them. I love reviewing gear, but can't see myself buying one!
I have my eye on a Cannonball student model that someone is selling locally; but, if that one falls through, I have no issue saving a bit more money for a brand new Jean Paul sax. Thank you, Dr. Wally!
Not the forums, just a particular couple of voices that are confidently incorrect ;) I'm always amazed at the arrogance of some of the posters, click on the link in their bio to find don't play as well as my 8th grade students. But by god, they know it all!
@@drwallysax I have a lot of respect for you sir.. and I appreciate everything you do.. besides being a great horn player you're a great teacher.. and to be a great teacher is a gift..
Involves cleaning up blemishes (soldering points) that are usually hidden by lacquer. Although it will tarnish, it looks immaculate (or should) when you get it.
@@drwallysaxYeah, I imagine the patina thing adds a lot of character. It just seemed silly to me that it should cost more, but now it makes sense. Thanks! I’m going to purchase based on your recommendation, and will start lessons in May at Mullins Music (a nonprofit music school) in New Port Richey, FL. In the interim, I will be utilizing your content to get started! I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel!
You are making quite a wild assumption here, I wonder what makes you think these horns are made by slaves...not trying to get political here, but seriously, unless you know for a fact don't go spreading unsubstantiated rumors about the manufacturers. Yamaha has factories in China, Selmer has factories in China, and all other brands have some manufacturing there...yeah, they might be getting paid less over there, but I doubt there are actual slaves.
I'd really prefer to get the issues of journalistic integrity out of the way at the start of the video and not bury it in the middle-end, especially when you mention having such a close relationship with the family. Yes, there's no immediate financial interest and I know your main shtick isn't "saxophone reviewer", but it's probably good to mention if you're really going to drop a (even well-meaning) hype video for their new release.
I purchase the AS-860 about a year ago after viewing Doc's video. The case was definitely an issue as the horn arrived with a leg of the Bb cage loose. I called them up and immediately got the technician. They shipped me a new horn overnight air at their expense after the technician went over the new horn and sent me a video of him doing so. The new horn arrived in tact and has been a delight to play. I have had no problems with the AS-860. Just some minor adjustments of the screws as the pads settled in. The only complaint I can muster is that the horn came without any AS-860 marking. I was told the serial number would be sufficient to verify the horn was an AS-860 by calling the factory. It plays great and was a good backup while my Selmer Super Action 80 was being overhauled. I'd give the horn 5 stars for sure and 5+ for their service. Thanks Dr Wally for the review. I'm in total agreement.
How would you say it compares in sound and response to your Super Action 80?
I got one a couple days ago. It's really nice compared to the AS 400 tht I had since Jan., when I started trying to learn from ground zero. Never touched one before. If you take off the neck, and look down the horn , is there a screw that comes through on the inside of the horn about an inch down the tube, and sticks out about a quarter of an inch? It is connected to the long brace that supports the upper keys, and apparently was not cut off flush with the inside of the horn. I got a pull through swab stuck on that screw, and had a hell of a time trying to get it out. My guess is that it shouldn't be there. I also wonder if it will effect the intonation., and my ability to hi t certain notes. Thanks. I'm trying to determine if that's normal before I send it back.
What you are referring to is the register key extension. It protrudes into the center of the air column to produce the first overtone, the octave, when the register key is opened. You will see this protrusion within the barrel of most woodwind instruments like the clarinet for example. Nothing wrong with your horn. @@ronmay5589
I notice very little difference in response and sound between the instruments. In my experience the sound/response is more an issue of the combination of reed/mouth piece/embouchure. However, I will say that I find the AS-860 has a better response on low B, Bb and for that reason I am preferring to play the AS-860, especially when practicing overtones. @@frankgreen8137
I think what you are seeing is the second octave tube, not a screw. If so thats normal....
It's great to see a review that is real - both in that you are not in it for financial gain AND this is more than an "immediate response" to the horn, Really living with something makes a big difference in the information that comes from the review. Many thanks!
Late, but grateful, thanks man :)
Dr Wally: I don’t think you have to qualify your playing this instrument as “masochistic” etc….. Back in repair school 2002-2003 we took apart a Chinese trumpet or two and they were terrible: fitment of the parts, finish, solder joints, valve tolerances, etc. Our teacher wanted two things from we students 1) take note of what’s going wrong on these Chinese horns and 2) if they want to be around in 10-20 years, expect them to improve. Lo and behold here we are. There are many great products coming from Taiwan/China these days, and it’s not masochistic at all to embrace this! Think of early Japanese (Yamaha) instrument. The early ones (1970’s to 1980’s) were excellent BEGINNINGS but benefited from development. Nobody really hesitates to give Japanese horns an honest try these days. And these companies have earned this respect the old fashioned way! This time is coming for Chinese/Taiwan instruments if it’s not already here. Thanks for your great content! You’re great!
Those were an excellent couple of reviews on the AS860 - thank you! And also very timely for me.
Wonderful Video Dr. Wally, as with them all.
Am 82 years of age and started playing 8 years ago, now with a Selmer Ref.54 - the only
difficult part is always your ending ......... Go practice !!!!. But I do!., as far away as the UK
Thank you! Interesting, fun and informative. I stayed until the end. 👏
Your band sounds great! I can listen to you guys all day long over a great red wine. Thanks!
Wow! Great company and customer commitment.
Jean Paul's offerings seem like they're extremely solid for the price. I bought their intermediate torture stick (a CL-400) for doubling and it is a pretty well-built instrument that plays well with good intonation, and has held up. Of course I immediately threw a Vandoren 5JB on it like the saxophone heathen that I am.
Doubling is for psychopaths. Repent, Andy. Repent.
Jean Paul is the real deal. I have the JP AS-400 and it's a great and fun student sax. Now I'm really considering the AS-860 as an upgrade. Thanks for the video.
agreed - just released the tenor review today!
Can you do gigs with the 400?
thanks doc 👍
most welcome pgroove!
Great review. I’m loving that companies are making excellent horns at approachable price points.
Thanks, Dale, very much agree. I think a lot of people confuse quality with "luxury." I think price needs to meet function in a meaningful way. I think Jean Paul nailed it.
Never-ending Story!!! Love it!
Thanks Spencer, much more nerdy goodness coming from the Sononauts soon :)
Happy Tuesday Dr Wallace!
You as well, Brian. Happy practicing!
Thanks Dr Wally! I play tenor and I have played a Jean Paul TS 400 for about a year and a half. I love it! I can't wait until the Pro Jean Paul Tenor comes out! Thanks again for the awesome review and videos!!
Hey Joseph, if you watch the Sononauts clip in this video - that miiiiiight be the pro tenor next to me ;)
How’s the case?
I recently bought their curved soprano, they sell it as an intermediate horn. It’s a lot of fun! I think intonation is fine. It’s surprisingly heavy but with decent ergonomics.
Hello Mike, I am looking to buy the curved soprano and I would like to know if you still be happy with it after this time. It seems to be a good horn/value.
Thanks for your help
Here’s the thing about, ‘Made in China’ that has been misunderstood. China produces what the market demands. For years the American market demanded cheap, disposable products and that’s what China gave them. But they have always been capable of high quality and produced high quality for the markets that demanded it. There’s now a shift in some markets for high(er) quality and China is delivering. You want some of the highest quality electronics on the market? China. But it’s not going to be cheap.
On the sax side, I’m glad you did this review. I started sax 1 1/2 years ago and started with the student version of JP and have no complaints on quality. It still plays as well as it did when new and I’ve probably got 1200-1400 hours on it (had a lot of spare time with covid). I’m considering their pro version and also want to purchase a tenor and soprano and go all in. This gives me confidence to consider JP with those horns as well. Thanks Doc Wally for this honest and candid review. 😊
Great review. I found it interesting that you mentioned that the King sax you got when trying vintage horns wasn't up-to-snuff. In the 1960's I learned on a Conn alto that I borrowed, then I bought a Selmer Mark VI. I was very pleased with the horn, but then I heard that the Selmer Mark VI was the best tenor, but the King was the best alto. The only regret I had about the Mark VI was that it got stolen after I had it for about 3 years. I stopped playing for a looong time. Now I have a used Almati, that I bought in '95, but it took me 15 years before I got it into proper playing condition.
Oh no, so sorry to hear about your vi! The king was VERY good, just not for me :)
I have 3 of their student saxophones, the Tenor, Alto, and Soprano, and after 3 years of playing I haven't had to have a single repair. No leaks, no wonky springs, nothing. The tuning and intonation are solid, and they are fun to play. I did have to adjust 2 of the springs on my alto when I first got it because they didn't close quite fast enough, but a little tweak with a spring tool and it's been playing fine ever since. I also started on a Jean Paul CL300 clarinet which has similarly been playing great for several years now, and while my main is an E11 now, I don't mind playing the jean paul at all. It's not like the other crap you get on Amazon. They are heavy, solid, well built, and feel like an instrument not a toy.
very much agree. Shame they get lumped together with other "Amazon" brands. This video (and others) are my attempt to help set this straight.
@@drwallysax Very much agree. My first soprano was a Mendini, and it's a sax shaped object.
Wow, what a great review. And if you really mean that you've declined their affiliate offer, then my honest respect. I'm so tired of the guys saying "that's video is not sponsored, however Native Instruments kindly send me this as a gift and you can have a discount, bla-bla..." and then I can't even return that junk to the store cause I'm in Ukraine, ugh... Thanks again and best wishes from Ukraine!
Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
Awesome and meticulous review. Also, you hitting that low Bb was as silky smooth of a Bb as I've ever heard.
I really appreciate that, thank you! The low end is suuuuper nice. Low Bb doesn't lie when it comes to horn quality, know what I mean?
👍 Sounds good Doc!
Thanks my friend, hope you're having a great week!
@@drwallysax Same for you!🥳🎷
Hi Doc, I have a question for you: did you see any sound inprovement on your JeanPaul after playing it for one year? Thank you in advance and great video, as usual...
Hey Dr. Wallace! Great stuff! Always appreciate an honest review. Question: what platform do you use to trade saxophones? Thanks!
I bought the AS400 alto sax about 5 months ago and have logged around 20 hours on it so far. My only complaint is that the G# keypad tended to stick to the keyhole initially. After breaking it in and cleaning it a few times this was no longer an issue. Other than that it has been fantastic to play!
My other horn is an Allora Vienna series intermediate tenor sax and I've probably put 500+ hours on over the course of a decade. I know it's comparing green apples to red apples, but I have to say that my Jean Paul outplays my Allora any day of the week.
Excellent reviews between this one and your review from a year ago! Let me know if you want to sell your lacquered 860 😉
Applying Liquid Campho Phenique to the pad with a pipe cleaner will eliminate sticking keys. G# in always a bear because it relies on a single light spring to open. Learned this from Ken Beason, the best tech know to man.
Thank you so much for your videos. I have a Selmer Radio Improved and the intonation in the upper register is difficult for me to control. I also have an 1970's Mark VI tenor and I do not have the same issues with playing in tune on that horn. I was wondering how much was due to my skill as a player vs the horn. And on another topic, your 56 mouthpiece has made playing so much more fun. I've never bought a new piece of gear that actually OVERdelivered!
This makes me VERY happy to hear! Happy practicing John!
If you can play, you can play. And Wally, you can play ANY horn and it’s your sound. Beautiful
Sounds like a good buy. Thank you. NOTE: Make sure you disable the Chi Com camera/GPS tracking uplinc...... :)
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Good afternoon a quick question do these instruments have adjustment screws on the right and left hand stacks.
Great video as always. I had the Jean Paul beginner horn for a while now and I was planning to upgrade to a pro horn. where I live I can get a used Yamaha YAS-62 and a new jean paul as860 for about the same price and I can't really decide... Since you've played both for a reasonable amount pf time... What would you do?
Thanks in advance Doc ❤
Wow!! What a great sound!!!! Than You so very much for this video . Not only I enjoyed watching you you play it but totally got me interested. Why ?? Great question thank very much..lol I own the student tenor sax
And as much as I enjoyed playing tlmy tenor O am more an Alto Saxophone player. For medical issues it's difficult for me to play th Tenor so I find myself playing the Alto Saxophone. That being said I would love to own the Unlaquer Alto Profesional Saxophone. I used saxophone as music therapy after my service in the military Desert Storm to be specific and it does help me a lot to cope with my everyday issues. But enough of that. Maybe one day I be able to get that Alto Saxophone by Jean Paul cuz it really a beautiful sound. Unlike the used Alto that it asking me for retirement.. lol
Great video Dr Wally. And I guess well done Jean Paul.
Are all these various branded horns coming out of the same Chinese factory, or are there several, competing for the business?
Also, that piece you played at 15.45. That altissimo phrase. is gorgeous, clean and in tune. Please do a video on Altissimo fluency!
As a non-player, I appreciate the attention to detail about the student-vs-pro model variations.
I can't wait to hear some music from the Sononauts! Until then, though, I will go practice....
Happy practicing Laura, hope you have a great week!
Love your channel Dr. WW. Amazing teaching skills. and now, selling skills. What is the pretty sax you usually use as your prop / knee accessory when you talk to camera?
It's random. I try to spread the love to all my golden children.
Are you going to do a review on the new Professional Jean Paul Tenor Sax? I would personally love if you did.
Thank you!
Another ver useful video, Dr. Wally. How does the JP compare to the Selmer Mk VI you’ve been playing recently? And how do these 3 compare- your Yamaha, the MKVI and your Yani?
Selmer mark vi has a darker "core" to the sound, but low end is not as clear/responsive as the Jean Paul. Yani is just heavy and felt "dull" to play (though many disagree with me). Yahama is kind of in the middle between the vi and yaigisawa. I prefer the Yamaha and mark vi - but those cost many many times more. I'd take the Jean Paul over the Yanigisawa (though resale is going to be rough on the Jean Paul).
Hi Doc since you been trying so many sax. Have you ever try a straight alto or tenor ? I bought a Dakota straight alto which is brand new and it's still in its box because the case is so large and it not easy to carry around, but also havn't blow for 2yrs due to chest/lungs problen but still enjoy your videos
Hey Wally! How does this sax compare to a p mariet or an Eastman? Thanks!
Would love for you to do a (similar?) review of Jay Metcalf’s Better Sax Alto. At less than $1k it seems to me another excellent value choice.
It's a student line instrument, not directly comparable to the AS860. Certainly comparable to their 400 though!
@DrW: will the silver plated version tarnish like grandma's candlesticks or does it stay shiny without having to polish it??
Probably have to pull out Grandma's denture paste and toothbrush and polish it once a year just like Nana!!!
Whilst I don't play the saxophone myself, I love your videos, and Totally Geeky sense of humour.
I think you can get these in Australia, via Amazon.
I'm not sure what getting spare parts would be like, here in Oz ?
Late reply but I hope it helps. I bought my alto AS-400 two years back direct from Jean Paul website. Arrived no issues. Not sure about spare parts.
Thanks for sharing this update! Any word or experience with Jean Paul’s tenor horns?
Recorded the Sononauts album on it - my tenor player, Chris LOOOVED it.
Sax players seem to love paying friggin high prices to the big 3 or 4 brands. It's about time more brands get out there and compete on price.
Would love if you compared this to the BetterSax
I have a Super 20 silversonic from the 70's intonation sucks but everything else is awesome! (OK, the keywork is a little clunky as well) Really been a frustrating experience for 40+ years but still haven't found anything I like better for the amount of money, just have to constantly think about adjusting to the intonation. Bad decisions you make when you're 16, LOL!
What do you think of 1986 couf alto sax my friend thanks so much
So Doc. Just a question on this sax. There are some saxophones that you pick up, they are so fun and so resonant that you can't put them down. I found that to be true of a lot of the cannonballs and keilwerths...I have an AS 400 and for me, it has some of the exciting features of a keilwerth meets selmer aspect. Do these pro horns have all of the fun quirks? Like, are they "I can't put the sax down" type horns? In some keilwerths, I can get a vibrating where I can hear some of the upper springs ring or speak- a funny quirk that I love so much. Are these pro horns like that? Do they have the interesting aspects? I can get that feeling on my AS 400.... I hope you understand my question. It's hard to really verbalize what I look for when I like a horn. And a while a lot of the newer horns are very good horns, they lack in personality. How do you rate these pro models? Thanks Doc Wally
Hmmm... interesting. I've have my trusty mkVI alto since 9th grade..45yrs? (I'm getting old). Rock solid.. only minor work all these years. A few year back after playing outside in a freezing rainstorm in a holiday parade it occurred to me... I really need to take better care of this instrument.. I picked up a 80's Selmer USA as110..perhaps one of the last decent American made saxes.. However I paid $700..(too much considering condition- mismatched pads and all).. then spent $800 on a total redo.. Like $1500 invested...on a horn valued at maybe $700-1000 bucks. I love the slightly more modern keywork..but probably as expected.. doesn't sing like my mk VI and weighs a bit more..So I use it for outdoor & sketchy gigs. I probably would have been much better off buying the Jean Paul.
Proud owner of the JP AS860. Love it!
Great playing horn, eh? Happy practicing Carlos!
The Never Ending Story is my all-time favorite movie!! I think that if you buy the instrument, there is no conflict of interest in terms of using an affiliate link but if it is given to you by the manufacturer, that is a dicey issue. I truly hope that you use the affiliate link that they offer. Here is the math that will convince you. At 5% commission on a $1,300 sax, that grants you $65 per horn. You can reasonably sell 100 through your affiliate link over the year in that you have been playing this sax in every video. This grants you $6,500!!! Its scarier if your video goes viral and you sell 1,000. That would grant you $65,000. From a certain point of view, by not using the affiliate program you will have essentially paid $65,000 for the saxophone. I think that with the honesty and integrity you have with your channel, you deserve the commission you could earn from this. I'd love to know how many Cannonball saxophones were sold because someone watched my videos over the last 14 years.
This is really good information you volunteered. Thanks ! Am gonna go check out your channel .
You're right man, Dr. Wally deserve to get a commission ! Right now I'm going to subscribe to your channel you are someone one can trust .
A serious question for you sir is this a better instrument than the Zen Cooper saxaphone. Good afternoon Sir.lve already practise d for today.
I believe it is. It's more responsive and has lighter action. It really feels like a pro instrument. Better price as well.
Would you mind sharing where the Mark VI was purchased? I heard it's hard to buy a good one because it really depends on buying from a reliable seller and who did the overhaul. Thanks for the great review! I wish I'd have considered this before spending more money on a pro horn.
Happy to help with the mark vi. I have a dealer I trust to pick a great one at true market value price (and gives fair trade in values as well). Give Brian Curry at www.getasax.com a call. He's never steered me wrong, always finding a great "example" of whichever horn I was looking for (and very fair value on my trade ins). Tell him Wally sent ya!
@@drwallysax Thanks a lot Wally! I was asking for a more experienced player. I've listened to soooo many UA-camrs that are awesome. You're the best! The curriculum on your site is absolutely amazing. Hoping to join your squad after much practice, but I'm not ready right now. I started this year and am hoping to improve with your training materials. Wish you all the best!
Duty 860 soprano that's the one I'm thinking about buying it's 1200
Hi Do They do an unlacquered Tenor please ?
Joe Henderson? On this channel?! I'm very excited for that one.
Modal jazz, TOM! MODAL JAZZ!
@@drwallysax This has me imagining Paul Desmond's take on El Barrio... or trying to, and failing.
Speaking of vintage horns... Have you played Martin Comittee III's or Beuscher Aristrocrats??
Aristocrat and True Tone, yes. Never tried a Martin. I know Art Pepper recorded one of my favorite records on one, but it's just not something I explored with my dealer (Brian at getasax.com).
I just bought one. It's really nice compared to the AS400. I'm a total beginner. Can you please look down the inside of the horn, and see if there is a screw about an inch below where the neck attaches, and protrudes about a quarter of an inch on the inside of the horn. I got a pull through swab stuck in the horn. Also would that effect the intonation, or high notes by obstructing the airflow? I find the intonation is a tiny bit flat, and the high notes and F# are weaker and flatter than when I played them on the AS 400. Before I send it back, I'm trying to find out if that screw should be sticking out like that. I don't think it should, but I'd like to be sure. Thanks Alot.
I think you may be looking at the secondary octave vent? Little round pip?
@@drwallysax You know what? It does look more like a little pipe,.. although I can't really see the end. It's attached to the rail that holds the 3rd key on. The rail next to it doesn't go through the tube, and I thought that this one either went through to provide additional strength, or they forgot to cut it off flush with the inside of the horn. SO glad I asked you before I sent it back, or bothered anyone about it. Jean Paul customer service is incredible, and has bent over backwards to help me. It's the Anniversary edition, and is a really nice horn. I guess I''ll just have to be careful when I run that swab through it. I got it suck on that little pipe, and couldn't get it out. I'm a strong guy, and I didn't want to break it. Eventually, I was able to push the swab down the horn, and fish it out from the bell. Thank you so much for your input , and clarification. I really appreciate your help, and expertise. Thanks Again, Ron May.
@@ronmay5589 Excellent, glad we got it sorted. Yes, it supposed to stick out (or in) a bit - it's the same thing that's inside your neck (primary octave pip). It's vent that "splits" the airstream - there's 2 to help tuning. You're all good, happy practicing!
Thanks Alot , you're the best. @@drwallysax
Jean paul AS 860 vs yamaha YAZ 280.
Cual es mejor?
I'm not sure If I should buy the Jean Paul or a Yamaha YAS-62. Which one would you recommend?
I have a Jean Paul alto AS-400 and a Yamaha alto YAS-62 (purple logo from mid 80s). What was obvious to me immediately was the intonation AS-400 is very good indeed (although my Yamaha could do with some adjustment). What I didn't like about the AS-400 was the ergonomics, the Yamaha is alot more comfortable. However, Jean Paul I believe has addressed this with this latest model, AS-860.
Love the video! I too like that it is an American company. I had already heard many wonderful things about the owners. Really wanted to buy a silver tenor, but I do my best to avoid buying as many things as possible made in communist countries.
Mr Dr WW, your mark VI, compared to the Jean Paul, surely the JP is more user friendly? and does your mark VI require far more "TLC" then a new JP. Coming from a vintage guitar collector, they are nice to have. a pain in the butt to keep in tune / working order. I imagine it is the same for saxophones?
The Jean Paul is certainly easier to play - low end response is effortless - the Selmer is a bit wonky (well known design issue). Vintage saxophones, once they are overhauled, set up, and settle in (corks, felt, etc settle and pads become settled) they should be just fine for the long haul. I only brave the vintage thing now because I have a VERY reputable dealer down the road!
You are correct, new is hassle free and much more cost effective!
@@drwallysax thank you for your response Dr! Confirmed, same with vintage guitars. They are fine......... after a huge bucket of money thrown at them (overhaul) and will always have their individual characteristics. I envy the amount of horns you have had a chance to blow ..... I should have worded that differently but here we are.
Whomp, there it is! Trust me folks, nothing is for free! Also when these instruments are demoed, nothing is played raw. It is mixed. Don’t buy into the hype! He prefers his Mark VI because it’s the best saxophone made, period!
Quiero una boquilla concejo saludos maestro de México,
Updates another year later?
Any plans to try and review the BetterSax by Conn-Selmer? It seems to be to the only real competitor to the Jean Paul at this price point. Would love to hear a comparison.
No plans at this time. I generally only review gear that is sent to me, or I have access to with my retail friends. The "Better-Sax" isn't available for retail, so my dealers don't have them. I love reviewing gear, but can't see myself buying one!
I have my eye on a Cannonball student model that someone is selling locally;
but, if that one falls through, I have no issue saving a bit more money for a brand new Jean Paul sax.
Thank you, Dr. Wally!
Good luck! I will say the 860 is many many times better than the cannonball student model!
"Loudest voice on the internet forums". Was that some shade throwing at SOTW? Brilliant.
Not the forums, just a particular couple of voices that are confidently incorrect ;)
I'm always amazed at the arrogance of some of the posters, click on the link in their bio to find don't play as well as my 8th grade students. But by god, they know it all!
@@drwallysax I have a lot of respect for you sir.. and I appreciate everything you do.. besides being a great horn player you're a great teacher.. and to be a great teacher is a gift..
Cool. I just don’t understand why removing a process from the manufacturing of the instrument (lacquering) equates to a higher price for the consumer…
Involves cleaning up blemishes (soldering points) that are usually hidden by lacquer. Although it will tarnish, it looks immaculate (or should) when you get it.
@@drwallysaxYeah, I imagine the patina thing adds a lot of character. It just seemed silly to me that it should cost more, but now it makes sense. Thanks!
I’m going to purchase based on your recommendation, and will start lessons in May at Mullins Music (a nonprofit music school) in New Port Richey, FL. In the interim, I will be utilizing your content to get started! I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel!
I need class
We all do, my friend. We all do.
Can I join your school
My IPhone Sucks , but your Horn Doesn’t Cool.Happy for you.
D’OH! Posted before watching the end of the video. Sorry.
I'll answer questions mid-video, no worries friend :)
I dunno. I understand people wanting to pay less, but when there’s a horn still made in America then I prefer that over the slave labor from China.
There is literally no saxophone made in America. None.
You are making quite a wild assumption here, I wonder what makes you think these horns are made by slaves...not trying to get political here, but seriously, unless you know for a fact don't go spreading unsubstantiated rumors about the manufacturers. Yamaha has factories in China, Selmer has factories in China, and all other brands have some manufacturing there...yeah, they might be getting paid less over there, but I doubt there are actual slaves.
I'd really prefer to get the issues of journalistic integrity out of the way at the start of the video and not bury it in the middle-end, especially when you mention having such a close relationship with the family. Yes, there's no immediate financial interest and I know your main shtick isn't "saxophone reviewer", but it's probably good to mention if you're really going to drop a (even well-meaning) hype video for their new release.