I vote for Bob getting the Storyteller so we can see episodes of "Where did Bob Get the RV Stuck with Hillary" Just keep chanting No More Thor.....Great video. Thanks.
Have you guys looked at the Coachman Beyond rb? It has the layout of the Travoto K but is on the Ford Transit chassie. We rented a Travato KL because that is what I thought we wanted. We loved the layout but there were some screaming build quality issues so we set our sites on the Beyond.
My 3 bedroom 2 bath home was $188,000 in 2008. That included the land. Now 16 years later it’s worth $366,000. How much will that discounted Van be worth in 16 years?
There are a lot of people out there who have the money for both a house and an RV. Not trying to justify the prices for RVs, mind you. Yet another example of the widening wealth gap in this country. By the way, where do you live? 366k will get one a tiny 800 sq ft house where I live.
@@Patrick_Ross Eastern WA State. It is a small house for a 3 bedroom. It’s 980 square ft. The smallest floor plan they had at the time. But I had a 15 yr Loan and paid it off in 7 yrs.
Ignore list prices. At Hershey, show prices you had about 5 -10% negotiation range. Roadtrek, we thought were the best quality class b in $130k range and it includes Lithium batteries and black tank macenator. They also offered 4x4 Mercedes $150k. Winnebago and Thor were disappointing and we are 2 time Winnebago owners.
The cushion on the Ford Transit B+ van is for when you swivel the seat around. The cushion lifts you up higher so your legs aren't so close to the ground.
Travato is probably my favorite van. Hopefully one day I’ll be driving one. Storyteller is a beautiful van, I can’t understand why it cost so much. Thank you again for making my Wednesday a wonderful one. ❤
We liked the 4x4 Sprinter platform the best, but the model that was in our budget with that platform was a Thor Tranquility. We knew the Thor quality issues, so we bit the bullet to fix things ourselves and replace if needed. I’m not gonna list everything that went wrong with the build (a lot of it is similar to your Thor van), but it has worked out great for us so far, especially the Sprinter platform though there are downsides to that too, but still liked it a lot more than the Promaster. And with the savings, we upgraded for offroad capabilities with suspension/lift kit, Owl box, on board air compressor and so on. If you guys are ever in the SoCal area or if we are in Arizona, you’re more than welcome to take it for a ride!
With rates climbing like never before in ’23 coupled with uncontrollable inflation, and our own mortgage now above 7.5% what are the best alternatives/strategies for avoiding a crunch and maximize my savings other than moving in to an RV with my two kids.
You are not alone we can no longer afford our mortgage, husband wants us to travel or relocate/I am proposing cashing in, walking away and renting while putting the rest in the stock market.
We own a few rented apartments but don’t wish to sell them or make the tenants uncomfortable by inflating rents however I am being more cautious than ever with rising costs.
Affordable housing is no longer available so you are a good person to do that for people under your roof. What you want to do I will advise you do it now because the prices you see today will look like dips tomorrow. If you are in cross roads or need sincere advise on the best moves to take now with financial markets will be best you seek a fin-professional with fiduciary responsibilities who knows about mortgage-backed securities for proper guidance.
I will be glad to enlist the services of a reputable one. Pls how do I go about finding and vetting them. We know the value of a fiduciary as we have a family lawyer and he has hinted on it occasionally, so we’ve began to consider the idea.
Hello Bob and Hillary🤗 Alfred and I went to see the B- Vans too ..we saw the Thor van G we notice it didnt come with an airvemt in the bathroom..that was the first we ever saw no vent .. We like to go and see B- vans too. We still are enjoying our van ..keeping are fingers cross 🤞 Lately driving to Phoenix .. Nice.. to go to home depot ..Costco ..have some lunch. In your van ...and you have your own bathroom thats a plus 👍 Glad to see you guys doing well !!! Yes..we think there over prices some of those B- Vans .. Great video you guys 👍😁😊❤
We just picked up the non-lithium 2023 Travato for $115K which was a very good price. Very happy with it so far. By the way it's a 9 speed not 11 speed transmission.
Just wait to see how much lower that will be in a couple months. I bet under a 100k Some dealers are still in denial about how slow the market has gotten. 😆
@@james-rd4dq I usually don't reply to comments but yours is way off. I just checked RV trader and my van is still holding up nicely. I realize the RV industry is will probably take a hit this year, but this was a gift to myself by selling my Apple stock profits anyway.
Not sure how true this is, but was once told by an RV salesperson that you should never really consider buying an RV at an RV show. Was told that the dealership doesn't actually discount the RVs as much as they would have if you negotiated on their lot. This is because the dealership has to bake in all the extra logistical cost of moving all those units to the RV show, (Gas, personnel, equipment etc..). Again, not 100% sure of the accuracy of this information, but it woudl make sense.
Loved this. Learned a bunch so far from you two about obvious quality issues to look for, etc. and respect your work on these vids. Hope everyone is doing well. ✌️ Wheelchair John in Idaho
Gretch is a high-end luxury maker. I think they started with Limos. I like the one without the extra seats up front because you get the larger refrigerator.
Our favorite is the a Travato 59K also! It looks like the one you were in is the 59KL, which is the lithium package. Hence the higher sale price that was actually not bad. Hoping to join the Travato owners group in the near future.
I have the travato 59K In seven years, I’ve never seen anybody on UA-cam; use or talk about the grill feature of “ microwave“! I don’t think people even know it exists!!! (including owners) Built in electric grill that cook steaks and fish perfectly while camping!
I think the dealer is having you on a bit. The MSRP on the stealth is 270K but they (Storyteller) sells it at 194K everywhere with their see-thru price. Currently cut to 191K. The big number is just for show. You need to rent one!
Who in their right mind would pay 297K for a van and even with the large discount almost 200K is a joke. RV makers are out of control and the buying public will refuse these inflated prices and the "Vans" will just sit. You can but a nice Class A for those prices.
:) YOU 2 are the GREATEST! OMG to the budget one, GO Hillary! Even at that price ,, with interst rates as high as they are :( BUT your Couples Choice IS A GREAT ONE! ALL the BEST and THANKS MUCH!! Chhers from Left Coast! :)
The 2023 Storyteller Stealth had the suspension, tire, exterior lights, rear door storage system and spare time upgrades… that is about $30K in upgrades for free 😁. The price can’t be lower so dealers are adding no cost upgrades to move 2023 model year. That’s $130K discount… another reason to get it 🤷🏽♂️
Our options were slim. But you are right…do your research and due diligence. With any RV you buy. Get it inspected professionally. It’s scary how they sell these things sometimes.
@@Vancaskeys Excellent advice for Newbies watching…it can happen with any Brand, but Mr Lemon is the extreme except he has been entertaining. The Travato 59KL is a much much better choice. The shortest bed is 74" so you have an inch of extra room after the upholstery is factored in. However there has been a few serious recalls …Iowa-based RV manufacturer Winnebago has issued a recall that applies to over 6,500 camper vans built between the 2020 and 2023 model years. The campaign includes three models called Travato, Solis, and Ekko, respectively, and aims to fix a fuel leak that can cause a fire. Another is a recall on The retractable awning may extend unintentionally while the vehicle is in motion.
In the B+, the little cushions in the front are needed because the floor rises from cab to living area. Living area is higher, so swivel the front seats, and now your knees are in your chin, unless you get a "boost" from sitting on the little cushions.
We traveled in a Storyteller Stealth for a week in Oregon and it was pretty solid. The electrical system is top notch even though they could add a bit more solar to the roof but we never had an issue boondocking the entire time. The exterior upgrades are awesome too. We’re not really a fan of the side sleeping with cabinets above your head in the flare space. Nothing is worse than crawling over your partner to use the toilet in the middle of the night! 😅 At that price it may make more sense to go with an up-fitter and do a custom build. Problem with custom builds though is financing so unless ya got the cash, the storyteller might be the best adventure rig available if you want some off-road camper with financing available
Another great video. I with Bob on this one. You know we are a fiver couple but if we were to go back to a class B it would be the Storyteller for sure. I like the fact that you can take it anywhere without worrying about the terrain. So Bob, as they say, life is short…take the trip, eat the cake, do the dance…buy the Storyteller. 😂 sorry Hilary
Yes support Bob, Im 6’3” and I fit just fine and sleep great in our STO, just hate to say it that stock mattress needs to be replaced…! And if you think your too big for it you must feel as giants in your current van lol. STO has see thru pricing so a ‘24 stealth is 199,743 so that dealership pricing over 297,185k with 105k knocked off seems like something’s off, again STO has on their own site they list a ‘24 stealth at 199,743 the ‘24 🎉 beast is listed at 232,586 so hows the list price for that stealth higher than a beast? A ‘23 stealth was 188,941 and that took in account the 12k manufacture rebate. ‘23 beast was 221,408… So maybe their so called list price is the MSRP which is irrelevant And if thats it they’re playing some creative math/numbers to make folks think they’re giving a discount and yet still selling at the set STO price. There was a price adjustment aka: manufacture rebate, not long ago thru STO but from my knowledge their see thru pricing is still set and all dealerships are set to those prices.. Now back to supporting Bob you know he’d love a STO, and you cant take it with you so enjoy it now… 😊 Love your couples choice as well, and its price is easier on the pocket book thats for sure. In the end each person has their own idea of the perfect rig and what things they must have and what they are willing to do with out, in the end long as folks get out and enjoy the road/nature and creates the memories thats all that counts…
The Story it is telling is….once upon a time, a guy wasted $200k for a tiny van….LOL. But I would still rather have it than anything made by Thor after watching your videos.
Storyteller is a niche product; it’s a high quality adventure van. You can do pull ups on those overheads and they are removable. I dare all of you to do that with your non Storyteller vans that are using staples and glue. The Storytellers are automotive grade. If all RV manufacturers have the quality control of Storytellers, they would cost just as much. Bob - get it. It’s not like you guys aren’t living in it. 😂 As for Gretch RV, they drive each of their vans about 200 miles to get rid of noise and rattles.
Screw buying a tricked out van. Not enough room to move. I built my own old school van out 14 years ago. Still on the road for all those years. Full time travelers. Full size bed, 24” TV, Engel refrigerator, 300W solar, Trojan T-145 batteries, stove and all the gear! Seen all of America at least twice! Total build with van USD $4500. Still on the road with second engine. Travel like KINGS on our NAVY retirement.
When it only costs $50 to build this van, they sell it to you for $100 and advertise it for $200, then tell you that you are getting a $100 discount. It's a joke. The only ones winning here are the dealers and the bank.
With all the problems you have had with your Thor van l can’t believe you would consider another Thor. These prices are crazy. It’s like buying a house on wheels
Shop around and find that Grey van for 135ish and jump on it! It's so easy to want that but money is so expensive right now. I'm happy Mr. Lemon is doing better.
Any Mercedes is overpriced. Ty both for your channel being 6'3 it's hard to go by a lot of reviews when no one is tall. I too like the 18m floor plan, but it has that four letter word on it (Thor). I would love a quad seat and rear bath layout, but none exist.
I have to go with Bob on the Stealth Van. 1. I am a Bob, 2. I am an offroad adventure kind of guy. 3. Except it probably has the 4 cyl. Engine. Which does not like hills when laden. 4. A little small for you guys.
I have the 2021 Thor Scope and have had some issues nothing really maor, a roof vent leak which was repaired and a water pump that went out. The water pump going out wasnt a THOR issue as it was just a bad pump from the manufacturer. I have repaired and upgraded my van to what I wanted and everywhere I travel to people stop me and ask about it and want to tour it. The guys (and I am a senior retired female) all say I have outfitted my van well and compliment me on it. I have had travel trailers, Keystone and R-Pods and they have all had issues too. The Keystone Passport was a 2020 24ft trailer and I didn't notice until I did was a water leak coming from under a cabinet, the dealer did everything they could including keeping it under something and spraying constant water on it and did not find the leak. Then when we had a bad rain storm and they had it parked in the back lot the tech went out to it days later and discovered a huge puddle, it was leaking from the rv door. They pulled the lino up and the cloor was completely rotted and moldy. Keystone offered me a brand new 2021 w/o any hassles. The moral of the story is ALL rv's have issues no matter what year and what brand some are built reall y good and then they mess up on some. Everything is repairable!! I wouldn't buy the Storyteller, way too much, just make the van you have yours and be happy!
Forgive me, but they could discount that van another $100 grand and I STILL wouldn't pay $91k for it. I've never understood why camper vans are priced so high when one can buy a larger RV and a truck to pull it for tens of thousands of dollars less and many times, hundreds of thousands of dollars less.
So the bottom line is you can mark something up to any price and it is just an inflated price so it looks like you are getting a deal but it us very likely they will still make a profit of 100,000 or more. But, I just cannot believe you would consider buying another Thor product. FACE PALM giggles
odd thing is no winnebago solis'. those sell in 5 minutes. hope you've looked at those. that is the pop-top in some versions, but they seem to be the best overall---why they aren't at any of these shows it seems.
Open the overhead cabinet above the toilet. There is a halo shower curtain and faucet/wand that drop down into the toilet area. The toilet is actually sitting in the shower base
there is no such thing as a B+ If it's the front of the van and a built a complete build of the back end it's a Class C. If it's the complete body of a van then it's a B. The dealers were trying to sell us a class B+ it is a C. The B is build with more insulation more durable and good for year round. If there was actually a B+ they would charge you for it more than a B if it's a C then you'll pay less like they are. The manufacturers will tell you there is no such thing as a B+
🤠The Travato K floorplan with the Volta lithium system is still the best for couples. The Travato G floorplan with the Volta lithium is still the best for a single person. The Storyteller is 4x4 cool and also has the Volta lithium system, but way too small for a couple. Also vans are terrible offroad. Buy a Jeep and tow it if you want that, 🤠
Did you happen to look at any Solis pockets? Did you happen to see what they were on sale for?? I’ve been seriously considering one, but they don’t seem to be dropping the price in my area (Michigan). Thanks for any info/advice
I think I will have to do a custom build because my #1 requirement is having a hydraulic bed. This way, I can have a comfortable bed and also have a comfortable seating area big enough to entertain guests. I'm surprised that these big companies haven't caught on to the hydraulic beds. It's the most space-saving thing you can do. My #2 requirement is having a real bathroom with a dry flush toilet. That's the other thing that surprises me. I don't know why anyone would choose any other toilet. If I had to have a wet bathroom, then I want the toilet to slide in and out of the room. I don't want to have to pick it up and put it in the middle of the van. I just want it to slide in and out of the wall in the bathroom. My #3 isn't really a requirement, it's something I figure I will just have to add myself. I want the front cab blocked off. This helps with temperature and privacy, but it also makes your van look like a home. I would want a pocket door for easy access to the cab. Finally, I would be really happy if my van ended up having a full-size pantry drawer with a bottom shelf that is tall enough to hold wine bottles. I don't think I will find a mass-produced van with my 3 requirements. I don't know if this means I should just buy a van and start from scratch, or if it would be more cost-effective to buy one of these and have it modified. I always feel a little guilty about changing or replacing something brand new. The last house we bought had about 3,000 square feet of brand new carpet that we ripped out the day we got the keys to the house.
I don’t think they dropped the prices. I think they inflated them just to “drop” them and they’re still not worth that much.
Probably true!
100% agree.
Someone thinks they are worth it.
Sounds like the funny sales clothing stores use.
@@monkusbee especially the outlet stores.
You'd have to be out of your mind to pay $197,000 for a van, let alone $236,000!
Kinda agree!
You need to find a dealer or show that has the Coachmen Beyond vans. They have several floorplans all on the Transit chassis.
Thanks folks.., but I still like my DIY used Promaster.
I love my Funky Van. Soooo functional 👍 Rock on 🙂
I vote for Bob getting the Storyteller so we can see episodes of "Where did Bob Get the RV Stuck with Hillary" Just keep chanting No More Thor.....Great video. Thanks.
😂😂😂 love it!!!!!
Have you guys looked at the Coachman Beyond rb? It has the layout of the Travoto K but is on the Ford Transit chassie. We rented a Travato KL
because that is what I thought we wanted. We loved the layout but there were some screaming build quality issues so we set our sites on the Beyond.
Oh yeah! We love it! This show didn’t have one.
My 3 bedroom 2 bath home was $188,000 in 2008. That included the land. Now 16 years later it’s worth $366,000. How much will that discounted Van be worth in 16 years?
Well when you out it that way…😂 good point!
There are a lot of people out there who have the money for both a house and an RV. Not trying to justify the prices for RVs, mind you. Yet another example of the widening wealth gap in this country. By the way, where do you live? 366k will get one a tiny 800 sq ft house where I live.
@@Patrick_Ross Eastern WA State. It is a small house for a 3 bedroom. It’s 980 square ft. The smallest floor plan they had at the time. But I had a 15 yr Loan and paid it off in 7 yrs.
@@billbradley2480 - Western Washington State here. About an hour west of Seattle.
My wife would love a RV. I tell her that for the cost of a RV, we could go on a lot of trips and fly business class getting there.
I agree with Hilary, The Storytellers are extremely over priced, I can’t wrap my head around their prices!
Thanks Holly! They Seriously want to much $$$ for it!
Yup, Bill agreed as well.
I was thinking the same thing. Who can actually afford these.
Is 297k MSRP some kind of joke?
Check out a Boldt KL if you like the Travato KL
Ignore list prices. At Hershey, show prices you had about 5 -10% negotiation range. Roadtrek, we thought were the best quality class b in $130k range and it includes Lithium batteries and black tank macenator. They also offered 4x4 Mercedes $150k. Winnebago and Thor were disappointing and we are 2 time Winnebago owners.
Oh good to know! Thanks.
The cushion on the Ford Transit B+ van is for when you swivel the seat around. The cushion lifts you up higher so your legs aren't so close to the ground.
Oh no kidding. That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing.
that Transit B+ is the same floorpla as the Thor Axis 24.1
Travato is probably my favorite van. Hopefully one day I’ll be driving one. Storyteller is a beautiful van, I can’t understand why it cost so much. Thank you again for making my Wednesday a wonderful one. ❤
Thanks William! We always love hearing from you!
I agree Travato.
We liked the 4x4 Sprinter platform the best, but the model that was in our budget with that platform was a Thor Tranquility. We knew the Thor quality issues, so we bit the bullet to fix things ourselves and replace if needed. I’m not gonna list everything that went wrong with the build (a lot of it is similar to your Thor van), but it has worked out great for us so far, especially the Sprinter platform though there are downsides to that too, but still liked it a lot more than the Promaster. And with the savings, we upgraded for offroad capabilities with suspension/lift kit, Owl box, on board air compressor and so on. If you guys are ever in the SoCal area or if we are in Arizona, you’re more than welcome to take it for a ride!
With rates climbing like never before in ’23 coupled with uncontrollable inflation, and our own mortgage now above 7.5% what are the best alternatives/strategies for avoiding a crunch and maximize my savings other than moving in to an RV with my two kids.
You are not alone we can no longer afford our mortgage, husband wants us to travel or relocate/I am proposing cashing in, walking away and renting while putting the rest in the stock market.
If you have the funds to travel you should be able to afford the mortgage.
We own a few rented apartments but don’t wish to sell them or make the tenants uncomfortable by inflating rents however I am being more cautious than ever with rising costs.
Affordable housing is no longer available so you are a good person to do that for people under your roof. What you want to do I will advise you do it now because the prices you see today will look like dips tomorrow. If you are in cross roads or need sincere advise on the best moves to take now with financial markets will be best you seek a fin-professional with fiduciary responsibilities who knows about mortgage-backed securities for proper guidance.
I will be glad to enlist the services of a reputable one. Pls how do I go about finding and vetting them. We know the value of a fiduciary as we have a family lawyer and he has hinted on it occasionally, so we’ve began to consider the idea.
Hello Bob and Hillary🤗
Alfred and I went to see the B- Vans too ..we saw the Thor van G we notice it didnt come with an airvemt in the bathroom..that was the first we ever saw no vent ..
We like to go and see B- vans too. We still are enjoying our van ..keeping are fingers cross 🤞
Lately driving to Phoenix ..
Nice.. to go to home depot ..Costco ..have some lunch. In your van ...and you have your own bathroom thats a plus 👍
Glad to see you guys doing well !!!
Yes..we think there over prices some of those B- Vans ..
Great video you guys 👍😁😊❤
Thanks Diane!
We just picked up the non-lithium 2023 Travato for $115K which was a very good price. Very happy with it so far. By the way it's a 9 speed not 11 speed transmission.
Just wait to see how much lower that will be in a couple months. I bet under a 100k
Some dealers are still in denial about how slow the market has gotten. 😆
today used value is around 60K
@@james-rd4dq I usually don't reply to comments but yours is way off. I just checked RV trader and my van is still holding up nicely. I realize the RV industry is will probably take a hit this year, but this was a gift to myself by selling my Apple stock profits anyway.
I saw same model and year this morning and that was the price/ @@philc.9280
Not sure how true this is, but was once told by an RV salesperson that you should never really consider buying an RV at an RV show. Was told that the dealership doesn't actually discount the RVs as much as they would have if you negotiated on their lot. This is because the dealership has to bake in all the extra logistical cost of moving all those units to the RV show, (Gas, personnel, equipment etc..). Again, not 100% sure of the accuracy of this information, but it woudl make sense.
Wow. Interesting. Totally could be true. Thanks for sharing!
Took a van home 3 weeks back from Tucson AZ for 50k off MSRP. It's happening.
Wow! Congrats! What van did you get?
@@Vancaskeys Thor Motor Class B, with twin bed layout and pop-top. Trying to get the family out there as well. Nice video you guys.
Loved this. Learned a bunch so far from you two about obvious quality issues to look for, etc. and respect your work on these vids. Hope everyone is doing well. ✌️ Wheelchair John in Idaho
The Grech doesn't fall apart when you are driving down the road! ;-)
That's true! 😅
Gretch is a high-end luxury maker. I think they started with Limos. I like the one without the extra seats up front because you get the larger refrigerator.
Our favorite is the a Travato 59K also! It looks like the one you were in is the 59KL, which is the lithium package. Hence the higher sale price that was actually not bad. Hoping to join the Travato owners group in the near future.
Love it!
I have the travato 59K
In seven years, I’ve never seen anybody on UA-cam; use or talk about the grill feature of “ microwave“!
I don’t think people even know it exists!!!
(including owners)
Built in electric grill that cook steaks and fish perfectly while camping!
I think the dealer is having you on a bit. The MSRP on the stealth is 270K but they (Storyteller) sells it at 194K everywhere with their see-thru price. Currently cut to 191K. The big number is just for show.
You need to rent one!
Oh wow. We do need to rent one! -Bob
Love the van categories you put together. Look at a Coachman Nova. You would love a full Lithium system.
Thanks Tim! Coachmen Nova is our all time favorite van.
We bought a used sprinter and re did the whole thing. This way you choose the layout and features you love.
Yes!!! Support Bob Dream, yes, yes, yes, you only live once.😊😎.
Haha! Yes! Thank you!
The Ford Transit one is nice . Way more bang for your buck 😊
Who in their right mind would pay 297K for a van and even with the large discount almost 200K is a joke. RV makers are out of control and the buying public will refuse these inflated prices and the "Vans" will just sit. You can but a nice Class A for those prices.
:) YOU 2 are the GREATEST! OMG to the budget one, GO Hillary! Even at that price ,, with interst rates as high as they are :( BUT your Couples Choice IS A GREAT ONE! ALL the BEST and THANKS MUCH!! Chhers from Left Coast! :)
Thanks Marty! We really enjoy reading your comments! You’re the best!
Just goes to prove that RV's prices are way over inflated.
Right?!
The bottom is falling out of the RV market. There’s a ton of new units just sitting. Build back better is a resounding success
The 2023 Storyteller Stealth had the suspension, tire, exterior lights, rear door storage system and spare time upgrades… that is about $30K in upgrades for free 😁. The price can’t be lower so dealers are adding no cost upgrades to move 2023 model year. That’s $130K discount… another reason to get it 🤷🏽♂️
Fun as always... also, 2023 Ram chassis has a 9 speed transmission.
You are showing THOR…I’m sure you have learned your lesson; 🏃🏻♀️RUN🏃🏻♂️ from any Thor and save yourself and any newbies watching.
Our options were slim. But you are right…do your research and due diligence. With any RV you buy. Get it inspected professionally. It’s scary how they sell these things sometimes.
@@Vancaskeys Excellent advice for Newbies watching…it can happen with any Brand, but Mr Lemon is the extreme except he has been entertaining. The Travato 59KL is a much much better choice. The shortest bed is 74" so you have an inch of extra room after the upholstery is factored in. However there has been a few serious recalls …Iowa-based RV manufacturer Winnebago has issued a recall that applies to over 6,500 camper vans built between the 2020 and 2023 model years. The campaign includes three models called Travato, Solis, and Ekko, respectively, and aims to fix a fuel leak that can cause a fire. Another is a recall on The retractable awning may extend unintentionally while the vehicle is in motion.
The only good I've heard about Thor is from people presenting them from the showroom floor.
I purchased my van in March great clearance prices because April 1st starts the new year for RVs
Oh good to know!
In the B+, the little cushions in the front are needed because the floor rises from cab to living area. Living area is higher, so swivel the front seats, and now your knees are in your chin, unless you get a "boost" from sitting on the little cushions.
Thanks! We had no idea clearly LOL
We traveled in a Storyteller Stealth for a week in Oregon and it was pretty solid. The electrical system is top notch even though they could add a bit more solar to the roof but we never had an issue boondocking the entire time. The exterior upgrades are awesome too.
We’re not really a fan of the side sleeping with cabinets above your head in the flare space. Nothing is worse than crawling over your partner to use the toilet in the middle of the night! 😅
At that price it may make more sense to go with an up-fitter and do a custom build. Problem with custom builds though is financing so unless ya got the cash, the storyteller might be the best adventure rig available if you want some off-road camper with financing available
Can’t see stupidity spending that much money for such
Bob I think you have been drinking your own bathwater on the storyteller. Did it even have a bathroom? I'm voting with Hilary on this one.
😂🤣😂
Another great video. I with Bob on this one. You know we are a fiver couple but if we were to go back to a class B it would be the Storyteller for sure. I like the fact that you can take it anywhere without worrying about the terrain. So Bob, as they say, life is short…take the trip, eat the cake, do the dance…buy the Storyteller. 😂 sorry Hilary
The chair pillows are for when you swivel the chair around and you need them to make you high enough for the table.
So good to know! We had no idea. Thanks!
NO BOB! TOO MUCH HYPE FOR STORYTELLER. 😊
Agree!!! 😂 Hillary
Always support bobs dreams…
Just don’t tell him how expensive merc parts are.
Yes support Bob, Im 6’3” and I fit just fine and sleep great in our STO, just hate to say it that stock mattress needs to be replaced…! And if you think your too big for it you must feel as giants in your current van lol. STO has see thru pricing so a ‘24 stealth is 199,743 so that dealership pricing over 297,185k with 105k knocked off seems like something’s off, again STO has on their own site they list a ‘24 stealth at 199,743 the ‘24 🎉 beast is listed at 232,586 so hows the list price for that stealth higher than a beast? A ‘23 stealth was 188,941 and that took in account the 12k manufacture rebate. ‘23 beast was 221,408…
So maybe their so called list price is the MSRP which is irrelevant And if thats it they’re playing some creative math/numbers to make folks think they’re giving a discount and yet still selling at the set STO price. There was a price adjustment aka: manufacture rebate, not long ago thru STO but from my knowledge their see thru pricing is still set and all dealerships are set to those prices..
Now back to supporting Bob you know he’d love a STO, and you cant take it with you so enjoy it now… 😊
Love your couples choice as well, and its price is easier on the pocket book thats for sure. In the end each person has their own idea of the perfect rig and what things they must have and what they are willing to do with out, in the end long as folks get out and enjoy the road/nature and creates the memories thats all that counts…
I'm not paying $200k for any RV unless it already comes with a driver, a chef and a side piece.😂
Hahahahaha!
Stay strong Hillary. It’s still way too much. Evan the discount is too much to pay. Winnebago Travato for the win!
I’m staying strong 💪 haha! -Hillary
The Story it is telling is….once upon a time, a guy wasted $200k for a tiny van….LOL. But I would still rather have it than anything made by Thor after watching your videos.
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As always great video!!
Glad you enjoyed! Thank you!
Very good information of all the new campervans
Thanks so much!
Storyteller is a niche product; it’s a high quality adventure van. You can do pull ups on those overheads and they are removable. I dare all of you to do that with your non Storyteller vans that are using staples and glue. The Storytellers are automotive grade. If all RV manufacturers have the quality control of Storytellers, they would cost just as much. Bob - get it. It’s not like you guys aren’t living in it. 😂
As for Gretch RV, they drive each of their vans about 200 miles to get rid of noise and rattles.
And seriously, would you buy a Thor???? You couldn't pay me to buy a Thor
No we wouldn’t!
The 80K vans are Thor...that's enough to make it a hard no. Not budget friendly if you have start repairing the thing on day one.
You’re not wrong. 🤣
Always fun to see the new models coming out end of year! There are a few more shows in CA and NV I believe if you want to head west :)
It’s all about the percent off of MSRP. End of the year it should be in the 25-28% range.
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Gravel road for a 4x4 200K van is the most it would be used for!
Screw buying a tricked out van. Not enough room to move. I built my own old school van out 14 years ago. Still on the road for all those years. Full time travelers. Full size bed, 24” TV, Engel refrigerator, 300W solar, Trojan T-145 batteries, stove and all the gear! Seen all of America at least twice! Total build with van USD $4500. Still on the road with second engine. Travel like KINGS on our NAVY retirement.
When it only costs $50 to build this van, they sell it to you for $100 and advertise it for $200, then tell you that you are getting a $100 discount. It's a joke. The only ones winning here are the dealers and the bank.
You really need to check out Field Van. I love our Van! They do an amazing job. The quality is amazing.
Love discounts! Great video!
Thanks Abe!
With all the problems you have had with your Thor van l can’t believe you would consider another Thor.
These prices are crazy. It’s like buying a house on wheels
No way even at $100K discount is it still worth $200K, NO WAY!
Shop around and find that Grey van for 135ish and jump on it! It's so easy to want that but money is so expensive right now. I'm happy Mr. Lemon is doing better.
I really was rooting for you, Bob; then Hilary bumped her head.😬. 😬😬
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$144,000 for the Travato 59KL is a great price. In Florida the one w/o Lithium pkg is the same price.
On their website the Stealth is $199,743, this one is listed at $191, 418 a 4.2% discount!
I was at the 5:00 mark when i made the comment below. Helmet.
Hahahaha! Too funny! You called it!
Loved the video and great choice on the "Couples Choice"
Glad you liked it!
@Vancaskeys hi, could you do a video on buying used vs new?
Any Mercedes is overpriced. Ty both for your channel being 6'3 it's hard to go by a lot of reviews when no one is tall. I too like the 18m floor plan, but it has that four letter word on it (Thor). I would love a quad seat and rear bath layout, but none exist.
Haha! We agree…Thor has not been our favorite. Glad our height could help you!
Bob!!!!!! Listen to her. She is the voice of reason. Youre a man. You will fall in love with every van.😀
Great information and analysis.
Thanks for another great video!
The fact they can "discount" an RV $100,000, regardless of the type, shows what a rip-off they all are.
I have to go with Bob on the Stealth Van. 1. I am a Bob, 2. I am an offroad adventure kind of guy. 3. Except it probably has the 4 cyl. Engine. Which does not like hills when laden. 4. A little small for you guys.
Great choice at the end! But I think you guys definitely need an Earthroamer😉
Hahaha! If money was not a problem….😂🤣😂
I definitely understand that! That's why I can't get one until I hit the Lotto 😂
@@poeslanding same!!!
Go see George of Humble Road in New Jersey. He is less than $200,000.
Custom made. Check out the new extra high roof Promaster.
Yeah, don't go into Financial ruin for the Storyteller. A Coachman Beyond would be your best, next step.
I didn't see any Coachmen Beyond 22C Li3's or any Coachmen at all. Still the best...check them out...Peace
They didn’t have any at this show. Coachmen is one of our favorites!
Nope nope nope, its a Mercedes money pit. If someone GAVE me this van, I'd turn around and sell it asap.
Yes support his dream if you plan to haul things inside. And go serious off roading.
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I have the 2021 Thor Scope and have had some issues nothing really maor, a roof vent leak which was repaired and a water pump that went out. The water pump going out wasnt a THOR issue as it was just a bad pump from the manufacturer. I have repaired and upgraded my van to what I wanted and everywhere I travel to people stop me and ask about it and want to tour it. The guys (and I am a senior retired female) all say I have outfitted my van well and compliment me on it. I have had travel trailers, Keystone and R-Pods and they have all had issues too. The Keystone Passport was a 2020 24ft trailer and I didn't notice until I did was a water leak coming from under a cabinet, the dealer did everything they could including keeping it under something and spraying constant water on it and did not find the leak. Then when we had a bad rain storm and they had it parked in the back lot the tech went out to it days later and discovered a huge puddle, it was leaking from the rv door. They pulled the lino up and the cloor was completely rotted and moldy. Keystone offered me a brand new 2021 w/o any hassles. The moral of the story is ALL rv's have issues no matter what year and what brand some are built reall y good and then they mess up on some. Everything is repairable!! I wouldn't buy the Storyteller, way too much, just make the van you have yours and be happy!
Hi cutie and Mr. Great channel. Great questions. finally ,a great channel.
Since 2022, the promaster come with a nine speed transmission, not eleven.
Thanks for clarifying!
really enjoyed this. thanks!
Thanks!
200,000 for a van? hell NO!
Forgive me, but they could discount that van another $100 grand and I STILL wouldn't pay $91k for it. I've never understood why camper vans are priced so high when one can buy a larger RV and a truck to pull it for tens of thousands of dollars less and many times, hundreds of thousands of dollars less.
So the bottom line is you can mark something up to any price and it is just an inflated price so it looks like you are getting a deal but it us very likely they will still make a profit of 100,000 or more. But, I just cannot believe you would consider buying another Thor product. FACE PALM
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We would not consider getting another Thor…and you’re probably right about the price mark ups…
odd thing is no winnebago solis'. those sell in 5 minutes. hope you've looked at those. that is the pop-top in some versions, but they seem to be the best overall---why they aren't at any of these shows it seems.
Where’s the bathroom on the Overland?
Great question. It has a portable toilet that’s in the flex space that’s located under the convertible sleeper sofa.
Open the overhead cabinet above the toilet. There is a halo shower curtain and faucet/wand that drop down into the toilet area. The toilet is actually sitting in the shower base
Who in their right mind would spend $191K for a van worth maybe 80K.
Get an Antero Adventure Motors Bamaga instead of the Storyteller, I liked the Storyteller but the Antero is cheaper and is amazing as well
We need to look at that one!
I wish you would've done this with large (40+ ft) 5th wheels. Maybe next time.
Do not throw you money away, unless you want to. 😂
Haha! Agree!
Wish you would've reviewed the class c too
We are going to do a Class C video soon!
Even dropping $100K , the dealership is still making money.
Even at $200,000 is still too much. The van should cost $70,000. How much for components and labor? Huge mark up just because we can.
there is no such thing as a B+ If it's the front of the van and a built a complete build of the back end it's a Class C. If it's the complete body of a van then it's a B. The dealers were trying to sell us a class B+ it is a C. The B is build with more insulation more durable and good for year round. If there was actually a B+ they would charge you for it more than a B if it's a C then you'll pay less like they are. The manufacturers will tell you there is no such thing as a B+
That Storyteller discounted price is more than a new one at MSRP
🤠The Travato K floorplan with the Volta lithium system is still the best for couples. The Travato G floorplan with the Volta lithium is still the best for a single person. The Storyteller is 4x4 cool and also has the Volta lithium system, but way too small for a couple. Also vans are terrible offroad. Buy a Jeep and tow it if you want that, 🤠
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That black roof will make that coach COOK.
Did you happen to look at any Solis pockets? Did you happen to see what they were on sale for?? I’ve been seriously considering one, but they don’t seem to be dropping the price in my area (Michigan).
Thanks for any info/advice
There were none. Sadly, No Solis pockets at this show.
Ok, thanks for your reply
@@jmiles614 you’re welcome!
They are all depreciating assets year after year.
True…
Great job on this video by the way. Thanks.@@Vancaskeys
@@Dave-zl2ky thanks Dave! Appreciate it!
I think I will have to do a custom build because my #1 requirement is having a hydraulic bed. This way, I can have a comfortable bed and also have a comfortable seating area big enough to entertain guests. I'm surprised that these big companies haven't caught on to the hydraulic beds. It's the most space-saving thing you can do.
My #2 requirement is having a real bathroom with a dry flush toilet. That's the other thing that surprises me. I don't know why anyone would choose any other toilet. If I had to have a wet bathroom, then I want the toilet to slide in and out of the room. I don't want to have to pick it up and put it in the middle of the van. I just want it to slide in and out of the wall in the bathroom.
My #3 isn't really a requirement, it's something I figure I will just have to add myself. I want the front cab blocked off. This helps with temperature and privacy, but it also makes your van look like a home. I would want a pocket door for easy access to the cab.
Finally, I would be really happy if my van ended up having a full-size pantry drawer with a bottom shelf that is tall enough to hold wine bottles.
I don't think I will find a mass-produced van with my 3 requirements. I don't know if this means I should just buy a van and start from scratch, or if it would be more cost-effective to buy one of these and have it modified. I always feel a little guilty about changing or replacing something brand new. The last house we bought had about 3,000 square feet of brand new carpet that we ripped out the day we got the keys to the house.