Traditional Farm Design vs. Permaculture Design: What's the Difference?
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2023
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In this video, we explore the differences between traditional farm design and permaculture design on a sample land area. You will see that a permaculture design can be a little complex, but this video explains the most important permaculture design elements and the rationale for their implementation. Let me know if you've got any questions.
Whether you're a farmer, gardener, or just interested in sustainable agriculture, this video will provide you with a basic understanding of traditional farm design and permaculture design and why they matter.
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I live in the tropics in a tropical dry forest climate. I do incorporate forage trees on countour because I have a hilly landscape. We graze in strips also on contour between the fodder trees. On more extreme slopes, we plant nitrogen fixing trees for fodder to cut and carry to the animals in times of dry and no rain season, with fruit and lumber trees.
Thank you so much for sharing! I've pinned this comment so everybody can see that this system works for the benefit of all, you as a farmer, animals and nature. Wonderful! Would you like to share your story with me in a video form? Email me at eva@granvisio.com
Amazing. We bought a house last winter (3.14 acres) with a cottage and noticed some muscadine vines and fig trees. Little did we know, it was a fruit forest and orchard. It wasn't listed as such and definitely not expected. Once spring came around we began identifying what we had and couldn't believe it. The land was neglected for quite a while so uncovering every square foot has been a surprise. Which has led to a year of studying fruit trees, growing, pruning, and now permaculture. Turns out the previous owner planted with tremendous vision and what you describe here, with the directions, placement, ditches, and ground cover, are all what is currently happening on this property. Thank you for explaining with such great detail. This helps us appreciate what we have and understand why they did what they did, and how to continue the practice. I feel like the past year of my life has been the most enlightening yet. Very grateful for your time in making this video. We just made this channel yesterday so we'll post our stuff soon hopefully :) #rookies
Thank you for sharing your story! I love it! I can well imagine the joy of discovering the plants and learning how they were planted together. Glad you will give more life to existing and new species and I look forward to see your adventures!
I think yours is the only comment I've ever read where someone praises the previous owner of a property/land. Usually people are very disparaging of previous property owners. It's great that you recognised the previous owner was working on creating something good and you're able to continue it. I've taken on an allotment and although I don't understand some of the previous tenants choices, I appreciate that they planted hazelnut and willow, red currants, rhubarb, raspberries, great apple trees and espalier pear trees. I've incorporated their design into my own as I develop the plot.
I've installed permaculture landscapes in every house I've lived in for 30 years and then just moved on , knowing some of them may have been cared for by new owners is sweet.
Very well thought out summary of the permaculture design process for a farm.
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What an honour! Thank you Andrew, it means a lot! I watched a lot of your videos before becoming certified. Thank you for an amazing work that you do.
Always wondered if you watched other videos.
I watch a lot of weather disaster videos and try to inform fellow videos viewers of better management of resources on a city, county and state level.
I often cite your videos regarding trees assisting rain cycles, and/or how important trees are to recharging the watertable.
Very useful videos.
Enjoy watching the ones you post.
My uncles don't know anything about permaculture, yet since it's a remote part of France, they still apply most of its principles. What you say seems so obvious to me ':D
I'm so glad this knowledge has not been lost in your area. Thanks for sharing! It makes sense, because although Permaculture principles were formulated in 1970s, they are based on indigenous knowledge bringing solutions to problems with modern agriculture.
Awesome video! For a city dweller like me, this is out of my direct experience. And we only have very efficient and boring straight pastures and cropland in my country, no quaint sustainable farms like this. But I would love to live on a homestead like that.
I know it's so tempting to just get out of the city and create one! Who knows maybe eventually you will! Or you can do it in a backyard if you or your family has one. You can grow hundreds of kilos of vegies and berries and fruits even on a small area! Search for "urban and suburban permaculture gardens."
Where do you live?
Hello, thank you very much for this high level summary of the permaculture principles :). I look forward to watching more videos on this topic :) !
You're very welcome! Glad you found it interesting. More videos to come!
Very nice video, well narrated and I really liked the animations! I also liked the comparison approach. Great job!
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this vidoe was much needed! pls share more of this style of video on the permaculture topic! Thank you!
Thanks so much for watching! Will do 😄
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Well explained, the ideas are wonderful.
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Part of the reason people build the houses closer to the road in northern climates is because of snow and snow removal. Though yes, building on higher ground is necessary, if you decide to build a long way from the road you will spend an awful long time or need awfully expensive equipment to remove snow when trying to get in and out of the property during the winter. And where I live once it snows it pretty much is there for the next 3-4 months. And if you don’t plow it out you will have massive drifts forming during the winter and will be stuck where you are. That is the main reason why building close to a road, that is regularly plowed during the winter, has become a normal thing to do.
Hi! I appreciate the comment and showing your perspective. As you noticed, it's not always possible or worth to implement all the idealised design features. However, if dealing with an empty area in a hilly landscape, I would definitely check the possibilities of placing a house on a mid slope facing equator and trapping heat reducing energy costs (something I plan to expand on in future videos), and seeing if benefits of such house placement would outweigh the costs of building a driveway and removing snow.
Small example, but I saw a work around on a farm years back on this issue. The parking lot was near the road to reduce the amount of driveway to plow. Then there was a snowmobile/snowshoe trail to the house. It was a normal dirt driveway that could accommodate larger vehicles, but the just didn’t clear it during winter. Good all wheel drive vehicles could usually drive on it between storms anyways after it melted and compacted.
Just a small on anecdote.
@@rustylidrazzah5170 Okay great, thank you for sharing! I have a vision how a farm could also take advantage of rainwater and snow melt run-off from the parking lot by filtering it through the reed bed system and releasing to the field :)
@@granvisio I have a similar idea. Use a few degrees grade to channel the runoff into a pond somewhere not to far from it. Build a small covered area on the parking lot to both provide a dry area for a vehicle, or two, and put solar on top of it. Then when there is excess energy being produced pump the water from the pond to a higher elevation pond. Use the higher elevations as a battery that flows into the the pond system. If the design allows install a micro hydro generator to act as a store of energy when the sun isn’t shining. Just have a simple overflow pipe that runs through the generator. Should act as a great battery system. Old technology really.
It would take careful planning, significant up front cost, but would be a fairly low tech battery system if built properly.
@@rustylidrazzah5170 Great thinking! This way you'd have so much energy stored and water flowing up and down with minimal cost. Do you plan to built something like that for yourself or others? If so, please do let me know when you do so.
very well explained. thank you for sharing this information!
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You have a remarkable gift! I was interested in your explanation the whole way through and learned so much from your precise expression of the most vital/useful knowledge. I wish you could analyze my life and fix it, too!
Wow! I'm so glad you found the video easy to follow and that you liked it!
In regards to fixing things, you've got this trust me! But here's the thought: Do we really need to fix anything or could we just shift our perspective to realise we can create new things in life that otherwise wouldn't be created if not the things we wanted to fix in the first place ?
Thank you for these videos. I have gained many ideas for my property.
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Great video!👍 I like the visuals you made. Thank you!
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It was very interesting and easy to follow with the visuals and everything!
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Very good explanation. Thank you.
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Well narrated which can give clear concept & knowhow for farming
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Great videos! The diagrams are great!
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Very very good explanation.
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Very well explained! I hadn’t thought about using a compass for the sun before. In this design, as someone from North America, having the berry bushes on the outside of the property would also keep the bears and deer a little farther away from your house… hopefully 😅
Thanks for watching! Check this video out about deer proofing you land: ua-cam.com/video/gYFstwa05L8/v-deo.html
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@@granvisio yes.. I know I'm headed in the right path and your post confirms it.. I appreciate you spreading this knowledge 🙏
I really like the video even though it is a challenge to listen to. The tune in the background is close to the voice type and sometimes is hard to understand because some sounds overlap. But other than that it is a great video. Thank you!
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In India land price have gone rooftop, forgot acres here 300 sqft is luxury to buy. My dream of farmhouse is now impossible, I can't go outside due to weak currency.
Man I have the same dream. Not too big but a small(large enough) permaculture farm.
Coincidentally we share the same dream and Name
How many villages have you visited?
@@jake.presents First you can't buy farmland under law. All major city, village s land price are on roof. Only some rare far away village land are cheaper. Their you face culture, religion, community issue. They consider you an outsider.
@@nishantaadiyes but most of the states in India do allow buying farmlands. Fortunately, i bought a small farmland in early 2020 just before the covid issue and hoping to buy another. Wish me luck 🍀🤞 ☺
Come to Bengal. So much cheap land in small towns.
I think some kind of middle ground can be achieved. In Poland, where I live, old way of dividing fields had impact on bio diversity.
Fields were divided by balk- narrow patch of unplowed land. Natural border with high grass, bushes and trees, home to birds, small mammals, and many more. Mini wild world among fields of grain. Disappears each year more.😢
I'm well aware of that. Poland was different 20 years ago...and more cows were grazing outside. Now many of them are locked inside...probably depends on the region also. Thanks for watching!
Changes in the law and size of herds.
Cows can't run loose on the road, and if you tie them up, you can be accused of mistreatment. People have stopped walking them if they have to cross a road and that is 98% necessary@@granvisio
@@adriankrasnodebski3553 what about fencing?
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I also think that you did a great job with your diagrams and visual aids. And I have no problem with your accent. Jeez....for those that find it difficult.....How many languages do happen to speak? I wish that we in the USA were encouraged to be bilingual or multilingual as are most people naturally in most other countries. We are left in the dust when it comes to understanding others to some degree just from our inability to process concepts in more than one language or brain pattern. I wish I had been fortunate enough to be exposed to more than English during my childhood and development. When traveling in Cambodia, I met children less than 10 years of age that were speaking eight languages....they needed to do so in order to speak to the tourists from so many countries. Thank you for putting yourself out there and trying to help build a better, more sustainable, and thus more just world!!! I will certainly check out more of your videos. Subscribed.
Thank you so much! I also think my audio quality is not the best, that could be a part of the problem. I am reducing the background noise to max but then the audio quality suffers. I will figure this out one day and thanks for sharing your experience. Travelling is really an eye opener if you dare to really see what's happening in the world. Thank you for the kind words about my work.
My only issue with this is trapping water. We know over-irrigation can destroy lakes (see: Aral Sea). Capturing precipitation on a large scale could impact areas where that water would otherwise drain--and figuring out where those areas are could be challenging. Understanding data like this, esp in this age where water is becoming scarcer (see: California, USA; also: cities planned to be built in deserts) will help us be better in future.
Thanks for commenting! Good points! A Permaculture Designer's role is to consider average rainfall and historic most severe precipitation in 24 hours. Therefore, size of water storages must be adequate to climate and there must always be a plan for any severe overflows. Trees also help with regulating water levels stored in soil. If you haven't already, watch this video about trees that explains their role in this: ua-cam.com/video/EsxQzjD--_E/v-deo.html
Water will always follow the natural contours in a downward direction. All water banked in the soil gradually moves to a deeper level thus rehydration of the soil occurs. This is good as the whole area becomes rehydrated and in turn natural plants and ultimately abundance returns. This creates opportunities for more soil cover thus more plants and more water retention in the whole area.
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Ease of use and dramatically increased production is the main points of difference. The conventional farmstead design allows diversity and abundance. I believe the idea is to have permanent production units. How far apart they are or how mixed up they are is not a significant point. Thank you. Stay safe. MonoCulture is a different story.
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We have a small practical problem. When trying to implement this in some of the rural places the house needs to be near the fruit trees due to fear of fruits being stolen or we need some kind of security. And cameras or fence is not well respected. But having a home near the fruit trees does stop such trespassing.
Any suggestion on how to change the design.
Also a big THANK YOU for such a lucid and clear explanation.
Hi there! Thank you for the question. I see no problem in squeezing fruit trees around your home. In fact this is how all homesteads should start, meaning we should be focusing on establishing areas closest to home ie in 30m radius. It is much easier to maintain a smaller area and when we want to or need to, and have more resources and time we expand further beyond this radius :) Contrary to common beliefs, you can feed 4 people family year round on less than 300m2 of land. You just need to plan well the placement of productive species, include legumes, incorporate mulching and produce compost. Also herbs and flowers will attract pollinators and predatory insects reducing the amount of pests. You cannot go wrong with a smart land design no matter the size of the area! Hope this helps!
@Plant with Great Vision Thanks a ton for the advice and valuable insight on the amount of land needed!!
@@vpatel7437 You're welcome!
Namaste..if we plant equal number of native trees ,, fruit trees and more support species ( biomass giving trees ) ...then also do we need swales to be dug... please give information..tnq 🙏
Hi! So your plan of planting native trees, support species and fruit trees is excellent. Swales and trees planted on their berms could add value to your landscape especially if you have a dry season. So their role is to soak the excess water and spread it across the landscape. Most importantly they increase water reservoir deep in the soil. So imagine a storm and all the water that flows across the landscape causing erosion. When you direct the water to swales, they pacify the flow. Please note that swales can only be created on slopes not steeper than 18 degrees.
And after some point deep down the permaculture rabbit whol u discover ernst götsch. It took me 10 years. Definitely youtube him tis method absolut genius. And i saing dis after i red jole saladi, sep holzer ,bill mollison, mark shepard ,allen savory, elena ingham, gabe brou, fukuoka and richard perkins. Erns götsch had the missing tools i was lookuing for. Its very useful in forest garden smal and large. I have a small one for now home to about 50 genera from asimina to xantoxylum
May I ask? If I would like to design like this? Which course I should take? Landscape design? Please give me a suggestion… thank you
Hi Liam! It's wonderful you are interested in the field. The course is called: "Permaculture Designer's Certificate" course. I recommend buying the course from a renowned institution like the Permaculture Research Institute of Australia (they offer online courses). There are also other options under this link (www.permaculturenews.org/2021/11/02/a-list-of-schools-and-courses-for-permaculture/).
Please also look up the profile of Andrew Millison @amillison who commented under this video ❤ and teaches Permaculture at Oregon State University.
You can also look up the courses online, but I suggest taking them at least from an experienced Permaculture Practitioner. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Do you offer design services? Thanks for this video.
Yes I do! Please have a look at my website: www.granvisio.com and contact me via eva@granvisio.com
Thank You for a great video! My partner and I recently bought a large piece of land and information like this helps us to decide the location of the buildings, ponds, trees, garden areas, and also shows us information we haven't yet thought about :)
Great to hear! Best of luck to you! It will be a very rewarding experience!
I love your explanation. So slightly random question is in the USA we love privacy and often houses are in view of roads. I have been wondering if utilizing hedges as a barrier both visually, sound, and potential spring flooding. Also it can be shorter than trees, allowing sun to reach gardening areas. I live a couple hours south of Canada and it can get really cold in winter, also causing snow drifts that end up a road hazards. So placement of trees and other vegetation is very important.
You're absolutely right. So hedgerow will help trapping the snow. And planting bushes of only 50 cm will help veggies grow better if winds are really persistent. You will need to note the directions of strong winds and map the sun angles and choose your wind resistant bushes and place them so that they don't shade any productive species. Opening to the South as much as possible will help you get the most out of winter sun and planting dark trees will help create special microclimate as they store heat, as opposed to light coloured trees like birch that reflect the sun rays. Small pond could also help warming up the place. Did you see my windbreak video? There's a link to FREE Guide in the description: ua-cam.com/video/uJHxg-EeIhY/v-deo.html
Which software we use to look for ground layout using contour lines ?
Link and the disclaimer is in the description, QGIS and Google Earth can be used to read the files
Whats a good forage tree for cattle and sheep?
Hi there! Thank you for watching! Examples include: Poplar, Willow, Alder and Mulberry. Also thornless honey locust, mesquite and carob as their pods are full of sugars. More detailed info on honey locust pods here: onpasture.com/2021/03/01/honey-locust-pods-as-part-of-a-complete-livestock-breakfast/ Pro tip: you can feed cattle the honey locust or black locust pods as the cows can't digest them, so the seeds will be scattered around the field in the manure for quick and effortless growth of honey locust or black locust trees on pasture. The trees will offer shade and add valuable nitrogen to the pasture as the trees can fix nitrogen from the air.
Where would you place internal roads for access to the main farmhouse and other parts of the property? Roads would also need to be mindful of the topography and may impact water runoff too. So, how would you best solve for those issues?
Hi thanks for commenting. You're absolutely right! We need to consider topography. The best way would be to place farm tracks along the contour lines. However, this may not always be possible and we'd need to do it off-contour. If we do so and leave it, we will be having issues with erosion. Therefore, special diversion drains will need to be installed. Link to new video illustrating access design ideas: ua-cam.com/video/CC-xI_SAQxI/v-deo.html
You could use culverts for the watershed and road junctions
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One of the things Brad Lancaster uses to avoid water running away on the road tracks is to use angled 'rain speed bumps' to divert water where you want it. Think the name he uses is 'roll outs.'
@@b_uppy That is so cool he can achieve that! I think I saw his video, but can you link it here, so everyone can see it? Thanks for contributing.
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Here you go:
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Is there a 3d software that we can simulate a permaculture envirotment? Like path of the sun and temperature on the ground during the year and with the development of the plants? Thanks
Such a simulator would be awesome! There are plenty of 3d landscape design softwares. Sketch Up is one of them and it has a free version. But a program incorporating sun paths in itself like presented on suncalc site (www.suncalc.org/) - haven't heard of.
@@granvisioamazing, I think I could do something like this using Revit and it's parameters to generate calculations and it's internal API. Would you be interested in brainstorm on this? :)
@@marcosengele send me an email to eva@granvisio.com outlining your proposal
Hello there from Pakistan
Great videos on this subject
Have you ever thought of keeping a whatsapp group where interested people can share their experience or ask queries,, if there is any such group then I am in 😁 and if you don’t have then would be a good idea to create one
I am working on permaculture and growing crops on beds and need help and tips from time to time, would be great if like minded people can share their thoughts on a single platform like whatsapp etc.
Thanks
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Hi there Zeeshan! Thank you for visiting the channel! I am unfortunately not fond of whatsapp nor facebook but I am working on creating a private community on Discord with a variety of topics so anyone will be able to access subject and information they want with a matter of seconds. More information is coming soon! Thank you for your interest!
@5:24 You said place trees at a steep slope, but isn't the right side of the map is steeper?
Hi! Thank you for the comment! Great question! The right side of the map has a milder slope as indicated by the bigger distance between white contour lines. The closer the contour lines, the steeper the slope.
@@granvisio Ahh I see, thank you!!
@@umarmars47 you're welcome!
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Cantour Map Creator works in France or it's specific to a country ?
The tool is not specific to a country and it should work everywhere, but it is based on Google Elevation Api, which I think it means that the better google maps are for a specific area i.e. the more detailed elevations points there are from good satellite images - the better the tool works. As explained in the description this tool alone shouldn't be used for landscape designing. I hope this helps!
I've thought of incorporating trees to pastures. It only makes sense. I feel bad for cows out in the scorching summer heat with not a single shaded place to go.
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Great. The only critique I would have is the gazing animals. There needs to b sever limits on these. I have not seen permaculture experts adequately address that on small tracts of land
Can you clarify?
Which produces more? A tradition field or a permaculture field?
You mean more food? It depends on the design, in conventional agriculture you usually have one crop on a field which is sprayed and fertilised chemically, which causes many issues and increased costs as you need more fertilisers, more pesticides, herbicides, fungicides each time. As the soil degrades from year to year, you need to put more work and your costs keep rising. With regenerative agriculture and permaculture you can invest this money to building soil culture, so that soil fertility is improved each year. Because you care about soil in permaculture, you can afford stacking various crops on the same area, for example: legumes with grains. You can also start growing one crop before the second is finished. And that's also true for orchards, for example in spaces between trees you can have special berry bushes that give nitrogen to the soil. These are just few examples. There are thousands of beneficial plant combinations we could use. So in Permaculture you always end up with more food and healthier soil compared to a conventional farm.
In short, traditional layout. Permaculture is a fantastic idea. But until now there is no permaculture layout that could replace the traditional one, not production wise nor economical for already existing farmers.
There are more studies needed.
traditional for sure, big advantage since its easy to make large fields with machines.
permaculture is infinitely more challenging to scale
What is a 'forage tree'?
Forage tree or fodder tree is a type of tree animals can forage on when incorporated on pastures. For example, Leucaena, Albizia, Mulberry, Bay leaf, Dogwood, Oak, Mesquite. Many of those trees will be legumes fixing nitrogen to the soil, that regrow fast even after animals are taking bites.
when clearing the foliage around my telephone lines all the cows would greedily gather to munch on the branches I threw down - Beech was a firm favourite
Great discovery! Thank you for sharing!
it seems that you have small space left for legumes...
Thanks for the comment! I agree. This was meant to be a very simplistic overview of permaculture farm design layout. I focused more on water and structure placement. In the food forest video series my plan is to give more examples of specific plant assemblies.
Permaculture seems to have more small ponds so more mosquitoes and eventually more frogs over the years
It depends on the landscape, but yes whenever possible we try to create water storage systems in the soil as they are cheaper to dig compared to man made water containers. Mosquitos are a problem if there is a standing water but when we encourage wildlife, frogs, lizards and bats eventually eat all the mosquitos larvae. In fish ponds there are no problems with mosquitos. Putting garlic cloves into standing water also helps to kill mosquito larvae without killing beneficial predatory insects. Hope this helps!
Kinda seems like this would be a nightmare to harvest on even a small scale commercial level. Probably pretty cool for a homestead though
TENHO 2,5 EQUITARES, ÁREA SERRANA A 14 KILOMETROS DE ARCOVERDE PE. PERFUREI 100 METROS DE POÇO ARTESIANO ESSE ANO NÂO TENHO CONDIÇÕES PARA INSTALAR BOMBA PARA RETIRAR ÁGUA. SE HOUVER ALGUM PERMACULTOR QUÊ QUEIRA COMPRAR A METADE, FICARIA FELIZ. PODE FAZER UMA VIVÊNCIA...
I think sharecropping could make a comeback also. "I'll help you plant 100+ acres if I can sleep in the guest hovel and/or barn. I can also fix small engines, paint, and do most handyman sort of work."
Neofeudalism is so cool.
Me and my partner sort of did that when volunteering on organic and permaculture farms in South America in Ecuador. Properties weren't that big - up to 32 acres but it was a lot of work and I learned a lot. In exchange we were given shelter and food. :)
Hope you have heard of WWOOF that helps farmers find volunteers
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The different is that those who are right now on the top power with money and land owner certificate are those who control the way this world farm. Those who own those farms are those who cannot afford to hide people and pay those wages anymore because machines are much more easier and cheaper to run and maintain and faster too. End of the day, in another word. More human of today had been change their ways of life because of those who change the way of farming and running societies. To have machines. They need workers in factories more than farmers on farms. To have machines they need workers on building infastructures more than farmers. To have machines they need more workers in mining industries than farmers. To have countries they need more troops ready for those battlefield than farmers. Simple fact about today societies around the world.
Meanwhile, back at the farm... nobody is going to pick up his house, garage, sheds, barns and rebuild them in the middle of his property. When you have a large patch of land and you are farmer that can barely survive economically, you cannot afford to turn your business property into some kind of middle age farm set up.
Do I oppose your ideas? Certainly not! If we had a real chance to do things right form the start - about 300 years ago - then we should have done it this way.
I am with you on that. When there are existing structures or access on land Permaculture Designers try to harmonise the design elements with the existing ones, unless it doesn't make any sense to keep them. Homesteading is becoming popular and some people start from scratch on neglected, barren lands.This is where the idealised version of the design concept presented in the video would fit perfectly. But there are almost always some constraints like topography or type of soil, or climate. So each property design is always different if executed according to permaculture principles because of the unique characteristics of a site. I should have mentioned that in the video. Thanks for the comment! It shows me how I could be more articulate.
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What if my land is super duper flat?
Hi Theresia. Many people live on flatland and it's okay. In ideal world, we'd live on a mid slope and have some additional farming areas lower in the valley. But it's not always possible. Flat land is easier to manage and has less problems with erosion than a hilly landscape, but it has some disadvantages, like poorer drainage, less pressure for gravity fed irrigation, more frost risks. Although to our eyes many properties may seem flat, very rarely this is the case! There is almost always some inclination, even if it's not noticeable. For example, if you would like to plant on contour to reduce irrigation, then you would have to measure the level ground using A-frame - check this link out (southsidepermaculturepark.org/processes-techniques/building-an-a-frame-level-and-contour-mapping/#:~:text=An%20A%2Dframe%20level%20is,be%20done%20with%20scrap%20materials). So, it all depends on your goals. Let me know if you have a specific question/problem related to your flat land and I will respond.
we dont need to enslave animals, just do the permaculture.
The volume was too low for me to hear what she was saying...ugh!
One only has to look at the differences to understand why we do not engage in permaculture on a commercial scale.
The research on this so far has been pretty clear; 25-50% less yield from regenerative organic agriculture. But I've seen cases of entire fields being lost to weeds on organic farms.
Now don't get me wrong, I like the general concept, I also like regenerative agriculture. But so long as our global population isn't capped, you stand NO chance of feeding this worlds' population using these methods.
thanks for providing a different perspective to this, although it's a cool approach
A great point. I would counter though that we are not currently feeding the worlds population as it is. Some of us have excess, wasted amounts of food whilst others have little to nothing. I would argue we do not need to make every farm permaculture, it would not hurt to have a few large scale high-yield traditional farms per nation in case of food shortages. But nonetheless the west needs to cut down on our excess consumption (in all areas) anyway, for our health and for the climate. We waste so much, and it’s not as though we can realistically ship that to those in need elsewhere. We’d be doing those impoverished a better favour by protecting the climate and giving them the resources to be able to farm and sustain themselves.
On another note, perhaps this method might be helpful in poorer, less arable or less flat areas who cannot afford to spend money on fertiliser, pesticides, who’s local environments are harsh due to a lack of natural biodiversity.
Idk I might be talking waffle here, not a farmer or agricultural expert just interested
Edit: I recognise that you’d also need an economic incentive to persuade most farmers to switch from high-yield high-profit farms to sustainable farms (although many are ditching pesticides for natural alternatives so hey that’s progress at least)
Traditional is permaculture
Not traditional in the west. Conventional is a better word. I don't think westerners have ever practiced no-dig, theres myths from ancient European times of Gods tilling the soil.
Westerner here, I have a small 8 acer permaculture. Setting a bed requires a little tillage especially on my property that was farmed conventionally resulting in compacted soil. There are some of us here. The government has a huge say in farming and controls practices with subsidies. My grandfather was an Appalachian farmer thst had beautiful permaculture and was littleraly paid by the government to stop. The government heavily inccentivises commodity farming to the point people think you are crazy to do otherwise, and don't believe you can farm without giant machines and hundreds of acres. I have seen some changes recently but it will take another dust bowl before any real change happens.
Thanks for the comment! @bobeeman9730 I understand tillage may be needed, especially in the begining when attempting to regenerate the land. It's incredible to hear how far the government will step to keep the system alive. I know that farmers are not even paid for the food they produce because the pay would be too low for them to survive with all those costs on diesel, sprays, fertilisers, machine upkeep etc. Instead there are hundreds of financial incentives for farmers so they can live somehow from the work they do.
I think the change happens now - not with the agricultural system but with individual families wanting better future for themselves and generations to come. More and more people are interested in different designs for their land because it makes sense. As long as Permaculture Practitioners like you can inspire people to create something new even on a small scale, we win. Because it takes so little to be even 50% self-sufficient and that's already a big change in our world. With all the diseases from chemicals destroying the soil life leaching to water, people will be turning to ordinary backyard gardeners and homesteaders for organic food and that's okay because they always have surplus yields. That's how little it takes to have abundance.
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good luck getting countries/states to subsidize farmers to push them to do more permaculture work. The people want Organic!
Yep they do, but Permaculture offers so much more in comparison to normal organic farms :)
@@granvisio how do you sell such an idea to those who have been practicing monoculture for capital since the beginning economy 😭
@@okwaleedpoetry I don't have to sell anything. It's common sense. Farmers who see nothing but loss both economically and in their soil fertility look for the answers themselves. I guide those interested in the topic. If you're curious about what's going on on farms changing their practices to what I'm talking about, this video is a perfect example: ua-cam.com/video/QZn9Q_wAUsw/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
The movement is called regenerative agriculture, and its principles are tied to permaculture. Besides not everything has to change drastically in one go. Small incremental steps and small tweaks already put farmers in a better spot.
permaculture is a nice thought, but it isn't proffitable at large scales,
Many commercial farmers who steadily moved away from ploughing the soil and who only incorporated few permaculture techniques like intercropping crops with legumes have noticed improvements in soil structure and fertility which translated to better yields, decreased diesel costs as well as abandonment of nitrogen fertilizer. In a long run, large scale agricultural food production depletes the soil to the point it's no longer usable. How can we say then that agriculture is profitable at large scale? Who profits? Definitely not farmers, and they will tell you that each year they must invest more and more into "magic biocides" that only worsen the condition on their fields. Not knowing the alternatives, forces them to continue this practice.
Profit being your primary concern 🤡
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Something about the way you speak makes my head hurt. I love these kind of videos but I couldn’t continue
Thanks for the comment. Do you think it's related to the audio quality e.g a bad mic or generally my voice?
Ewa relax with the accent, we know you are slavic, no need to cover that and pushing hard to be native english speaker.
Can barely understand the narrator because of the extreme accent
The very terminology is flawed.
Nothing is "permanent".
The very notion of such showcase human beings narcissistic hubris
There is such a thing as "effectively permanent" which is ehat we are looking for and thinking of.
Please stop exploiting animals when it’s completely unnecessary to do so. Animals are not food.
Carnivorous Plants: Ummm.. okay😅
Predators beg to differ. Plants beg to differ.
The victim def doesnt think its food. If you dont need* to cause harm. Don't.
Otherwise, Animals may be necessary in permaculture in some regards, in which case we should consider them more like coworkers than rocks that can wag their tails
What do you think is better, humans giving cows shelter, warmth, food and water, or us setting them free to die a horrendous death, as in nature there are no peaceful death (totally human concept). Cows are prey, their eyes are on the side of their heads, they are MEANT to be hunted down and mauled on by a pack wolves.
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