How Small Cities Are Luring Remote Workers Away From Tech Hubs | WSJ
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- As the pandemic changes how -- and where -- professionals work, some smaller cities and regions are offering hefty relocation incentives to attract remote workers to help jumpstart their local economies. WSJ met one family who accepted an offer to make a new home in the Ozarks. Photo: Craig Kauffman for the Wall Street Journal
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Imagine getting a 150k income in an area where rent is 600 bucks a month. COL is so little you could literally rebuild a town
In fact, most (some?) companies are giving a pay cut if you move away from the expensive areas. But may still be worth it.
It's 600 a month until the landlord and the other landlords discovers your income lol
But 600 a month is still lower than property tax on a house in my area lol
@@ft9kopright, my rent doubled in 2021/22. I had to move 45 minutes away bc it went up everywhere and our city’s occupancy rate is like 98% so there’s nothing available. It’s price gouging
You can tell Jose has a strong loving family, wishing for them to have a bright future.
I'm actually life long friends with them thru our church and they are the sweetest most loving people you could ever meet!
@@aBe09FRa God bless them ❤️🙏❤️
Yes it’s not easy for families to live in San Francisco. The incentive to buy a home is truly a good reason to leave and go somewhere with an easier way to live
I swear to my Mighty God, I've never seen an indie video game developer wearing a suit, let alone playing an 8bit game amd still wearing a suit.
Looking like Benjamin Franklin too 😭
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I think he looks cool 😎
I still can't wrap my head around how expensive SF is now. It used to be the affordable city for hippy burnouts and young gay people who were disowned by their family.
Is there a city that replaces the old San Francisco in that regard?
@@MsYolost i hope there is, and hopefully not close to a sundown town
Are we not gonna talk about how a guy is named Bob Ross?
Hahahahaha
Yesss thank you! I was disappointed he wasn't painting happy little trees
😎 no way that name
That's exactly what I was thinking LOL
Next story: "How small cities have become unaffordable for locals due to influx of tech workers."
That only happens if the city restricts the supply of new housing.
This is the “eroding middle class” in action; geographic barriers can’t protect people forever.
@@TWE_2000 The newcomers will vote against allowing new construction, they'll vote against allowing business expansion. They're anti-business, pro-big government, socialist, elitist, reverse-racist. They'll bring all the ills of California to the beautiful South.
If the goverment is slow to react to that whose fault is it?
@@ChickensAndGardening No doubt that would happen, it happened in Colorado which was once a red state that turned to blue in the last 5-10 years all because of Denver's avid Bay area poaching. It's bonkers. They vote the same way even though their voting habits led them to having to leave. Although, i would say that there are a lot of republican Californians looking to escape their Democrat-dominant state.
Very happy for the Portillos. They seem like a nice family.
I am glad to see these towns spending so wisely on growth. Every town spends on economic development, but they tend to all focus on big companies that demand abusive incentives or they settle on retail and hospitality that is a zero net -all their revenue is taken from other local businesses. These remote workers are 100% revenue adds, they are intrinsically diverse, and their infrastructure needs are nothing to add. $10k per job is a steal compared to what tesla and amazon are extorting per job.
The only way the coasts are going to fix their housing problems is if they have to do it to retain people they need.
A potential second problem with these programs is that these employees' jobs are often dependent on remote work. If they can find remote work, great; but if they lose their job and can't find another, then what?
The solution would be to make as many jobs as possible fully workable from home.
It's a liability that these cities are taking on. Maybe the application process includes their assets beyond their income?
im assuming some of them have already secured their jobs with their current employer before making the move. Plus theres actually alot of remote work available.
You're right, there are no coder jobs in Arkansas, except for Walmart. My husband works remote for a Georgia based company but we live in Arkansas.
I mean.. if you lose your job and can't find another remote job then you gotta move. Not convenient of course but doesn't have to be the worst thing in the world. Plan the best you can for contingencies and live your life, everything is a risk.
If I owned a company why would I want to pay for office space when the last year proved I could do it all remotely? I think the trend of remote work will continue into the foreseeable future
@@ElmerGLue yea but its a growing pain that everybody was forced to go through so now its cost vs benefit. The quality of work goes does down 10% but the savings on office space , plus access to more of a talent pool across the country instead of ones locally.
I'm about 25% more efficient at home on average. Why? Because I can be available more often. Not having 2hrs a day of commuting or wasting time on a pointless lunch break. I can arrange my errands to match my "downtime" at work. Basically yes, I work more, but end up having more "me" time at the same time. It's a win win.
When I have 5 mins free I like being able to do dishes or laundry instead of twiddling my thumbs at an office knowing I have more work waiting for me at home.
I think most people want to work from home in their pajamas. Me, no way. I like working from home because I can get waaaaayyyy more done more efficiently.
Facts forget the dry cleaners for office clothes and packing/buying lunch too.
@@ElmerGLue I think remote work is good for certain careers and not others. Engineers, real estate agents, etc work better in person but computer scientists and other computer heavy careers will likely stay remote.
@@laverdadbuscador I think the traditional 9-5 is all but over due to covid and remote work showing that it’s not necessary
Really? They are moving because now they are given $10k?. That's all they needed? She said it best. Moving to Arkansas is like moving to a different country.
Trust me, Arkansas isn't the place it is being made out to be in this video.
@@useyourimaginasean you are so right.
I don't see those places as very welcoming to minorities.. But again, I've never lived there.
No, not Fayetteville. Fayetteville rocks because of the University.
Naw man, Slick Willie was doing his thing over there
Many folks have moved to Florida (mostly New Yorkers), and have driven up real estate here. My own cousins came for a visit last month, and they ended up looking at real estate during their visit.
A lot of that is a tax thing. Many people from NJ as well.
How can SF/the Bay Area still reign supreme in the tech world? For decades everyone's been talking about "New Silicon Valleys", such as Austin, TX; the Triangle of NC; Silicon Glen, Scotland, Malaga, Spain, Bangalore, Berlin, Singapore, Beijing, London, Tel Aviv, Kracow, Lvyv.
I'd move to a cheaper small town if I could continue to work a good job remotely. I commute 2 hours each way every day and all my money goes to rent, utilities, and food. With COVID I've been able to work from home and prove my job (like so many others) can be done with a computer and Internet connection.
Time speak your boss...
“2 hours each way”? That’s crazy unhealthy. You should change your situation for the sake of your health.
@@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 I did 4 hours a day travel before covid. Had be done self employed. Now since covid it's 10 step step from bedroom to home office. I hope never go back to it . Time will tell
@@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 Thank you, I agree 100%. I finally did. Now I mostly work from home with a little driving on Thursdays and Fridays (where I get paid mileage) and I'm being trained in finance so I will have more job opportunities in the future compared to the lack of job opportunities when I worked the 2-hour commute job. Just goes to show that the smart thing to do is get training & experience in something that is in demand!
They’re showing one small clip of Bentonville. Bentonville is actually one of the most expensive cities in AR to live in (still waaaaay cheaper than anywhere in CA though). It’s one of the biggest places for mountain biking in this region of the country, and there’s every store and restaurant you could want within just miles of where you live. Not to mention this is the town Walmart got started in, and the corporation has dumped money into outdoor trails, art museums, parks, etc.
Wow! On my list to visit
I’ve been to bentonville. Nice city but still pretty boring if you’re moving from a big city. I moved from Chicago to Dallas. Dallas is a bit slower paced than Chicago but there’s still a ton to do. Bentonville on the other hand, it’s still very much a small town. Might be nice for a married couple looking to start a family but as a single woman I’d be bored out of my mind. The confederate flags also were a bit alarming...
I am pretty well convinced that the main thing the internet / tech industry has done, has made some people very rich while making life increasingly unaffordable for most people and communities.
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Great video. We're living in a time that's making history, and videos like this document it.
“It’s hot. In To-PE-ka.”
I moved from LA to Dallas and its cheap and all and I was finally able to buy a house. But lord i hate it.
I used to be able to go to beach every weekend and now I have to drive 6 hrs to Galveston or 7 hours to Corpus Christi to see a gulf.
And this is 4th biggest metro in the country we are talking about.
Can’t imagine me living in middle of nowhere Arkansas.
Though that place with its greenery did look prettier than plain and bland DFW.
Moved from LA to the Midwest and I totally feel this
From the East Coast, but have visited friends & in-laws out West, and lived in the Mojave for a month. Your body literally misses the ocean - like you can feel something's off, but not sure quite what.
Bigger problem though is the people. Pandemic has clearly shown that the politics of your neighbors/State *can* ruin your day, even if you keep mostly to yourself.
But you bought a house? You can sell and leave the area on top. You're winning. Just fly to the beach every couple months in the short term lol
It ain't even that serious, but being in the middle of the country is almost equal distance between California and Florida.
Funny, I was looking at jobs today and I saw many in Bentonville!
The thing is that tech companies have said they'll be adjusting salaries down cause those employees will not be living in expensive places like California or NY anymore. So, in the end, will be almost the same, but in a quieter area.
I work for a tech company and we have moved to a lower cost of living area. Neither my husband nor I have had a salary change and there are no plans to. I’ve had other friends at other companies experience the same. Not saying that couldn’t happen some day but for now these companies are saving money not having people in offices.
Even with the lower salaries, these workers will be able to afford a home much more easily in these lower cost of living areas.
How is that gonna work? Will they only lower the salaries of workers in other states? It's just not gonna happen unless the company itself moves to another state.
My company is doing COL adjustments for those who move but they still end up having more buying power than they did in the Bay Area.
@@cemdursun Most tech companies are doing COL adjustments for those who are moving to lower COL areas. Existing salaries are not impacted unless you move. But even with the COL adjustments most have found they still have more buying power than when they lived in the Bay Area.
Most of theses people probably won’t stay. The level of infrastructure in small towns aren’t to what they had in the Bay Area. Also they may lose their jobs cause I don’t really see remote work as the future. There may be a hybrid but there won’t be fully remote work. Also companies will still maintain their workforce in the Bay Area. It’s much easier to acquire workers and bounces ideas off each other when everyone is close together.
Many of these tech workers don't understand that they're at the mercy of the companies they work for by relocating to non-tech hubs because they don't have job opportunities like cities do.
@@matthewthesecond They are already at the mercy of the companies. They might work for a tech company based in SF but they end up living in subpar conditions. At some point, the discrepancy between your level of qualifications and your quality of life in places like California becomes unbearable, especially when you have a family. I mean, I don't get people with higher education who live confined in small apartments simply because they wanna live in uberexpensive large metropolitan area. It makes no sense.
@@chebbou69 Well becoming remote will make them even more open to exploitation. As I mentioned, if you’re not a remote software engineer, it will be significantly harder to get a job at a tech company as a non-technical remote employee. These companies know that. They know most people don’t want to go from a tech company to non-tech if things don’t work out. There just aren’t enough job opportunities yet to warrant non-tech employees moving transitioning to these smaller, low cost cities. My company has remotes scattered all around the US and career mobility is always their biggest issue in our company wide surveys because our company doesn’t prioritize them. They don’t have enough visibility, and most of them aren’t willing to leave the company so they end up coming back to SF and NY.
@@matthewthesecond Out of sight, out of mind - if the bosses can't see you, and you aren't networking, then promotions & opportunities never come your way.
They will be screwed as soon as their salary is readjusted to match their new low-CoL locale. Or when the company does layoffs. Obviously NW Arkansas doesn't have a thriving tech industry to job hunt in.
And those poor kids will not have anything like the same school opportunities. I dunno what the current state of K-12 in San Jose is, but they likely have more chances for internships, enrichment programs, etc than in AK.
Not sure why 1 payment of $10k would make someone earning $100k a year in silicon valley move there. Seems like that would just attract people who don't have much money to start with.
Yeah, $10K would not seem like so much, but $10K AND a mountain bike? lol
Don’t let the internet lie to you. Tons of tons of people aren’t even making 90k in tech. Many aren’t software engineers. Many are entry level graphic designers or iT that make nothing.
They would move even without the $10k. But they wouldn't move to Fayetteville specifically, they'd move to somewhere like Austin or Asheville.
@@jmlinden7 I live in Austin and the median price here has gone through the roof, which you may argue is nothing compared to Boston, S.F and 10 others...315k median price for a house in Austin is not what I would call "affordable"
$100k in SF is like $300k in podunk Arkansas. 2 bedroom apartment with no wiggle room in SF vs a 5 bedroom house with hard and plenty left over in Arkansas
Women only called me ugly until they find out how much money I make.
Then they call me ugly and poor.
And white community hate colored people, especially Asians.
@@user-tj6ot7tw8g i dont seem to have the same issue, sounds like a you problem.
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Am i the only one that LOL'd at this comment? It's a classic.
@@ShaudaySmith I literally laughed out loud.
Matt Haney is right yes the Bay Area is always going to be a thriving hub. But that doesn’t mean that other companies will spread their talent elsewhere to
Fayetteville is the home of the huge university. College towns are ALWAYS a wonderful place to live. Their charms are legion. The most intelligent, industrious, creative & most fascinating people on the planet are in major university towns. Can I go?
No they are the worst look at Boulder, CO and Ft. Collins, CO they are dumps
That's how we feel in Eugene Oregon
Fort Collins isn't bad.
In 2018 I moved to a small town in Kansas for a job opportunity. It was a good gig. I was there for only 3 months, despite that most items were cheap. I felt extremely lonely, I left family, friendships and so on, there was nothing to do. Only once I contemplated suicide. I packed up and I left Kansas, it works if you have a family and affordability is a must but if you are single. Oooffff. This program is not new similar programs have been doing it for almost 15 years in this central west states, but retention for this workers is very low. They stay in those states for about 5-6 years and they leave. There is a reason why this states are still loosing population specially these small town regions.
This is wonderful. I’m glad they’re doing this.
One problem with these programs is that eventually, we will run out of affordable places for people to live. The tech folks move in and drive up prices, eventually leaving the locals without a home. It's great for the tech workers; but for those who can't get jobs in high-paying industries, all this does is eventually uproot them. That's why, frankly, I don't like the idea. I don't think it's fair to the locals. I was born in the panhandle of Florida, in an area where work has been hard to come by. I was shocked to find homes now selling for over $150k, maybe even beyond $300k in some cases. There are very few jobs in the area. There is no way long-time locals could afford a home in their own communities now. It's because of remote workers and retirees.
The problem with CA is that all the tech workers are concentrated in one area, pushing home prices up. If the tech workers become spread all across the country, there won’t be enough concentrated in a single area to have a meaningful impact on housing prices.
I took advantage of this programs back in 2018. What these programs don't disclose is that retention is quite low. People stay and work for about 5-6 years and then they leave to another place, and the town is left with the bill. I moved to Kansas in 2018 and I felt lonely and it was a boring state so I left. It's good if you have a family if affordability is an issue, but that's it. Most people think that they are going to be relocated in a nice suburb area with a proximity to a city, but what typically happens is that they get relocated to small towns.
Not true. It all comes down to local government legislation. If it's easy to build houses, condos, and high-rise buildings, then housing will always be affordable.
The ONLY places where housing is unaffordable, are places with ridiculous government housing regulations/laws.
Lots of people moving to Florida because of low taxes.
Disincentivize foreign purchases of single family homes through taxes/restrictions, loosen zoning restrictions, build more, and an exodus of highly compensated employees should put downward price pressure on the city/state they left. It will still potentially displace some people to find even lower COL places, but it's a re-balancing of national home prices. The problem with these past few years is that *everywhere* has gotten more expensive and at unsustainable rates.
Bob Ross really changed his career
I was wondering if i misheard the name haha
Awesome, that should put down pressure on these overpriced housing markets.
But it won’t though. Even with people leaving there are still people moving in as well. Not to mention out of country investors buying up properties. Add the fact that most of the the rentals in these cities are targeting the upper end of the housing market it’s still going to keep prices high.
I think the landlords aren't changing their rates even if the amount of people in each city that can pay them becomes far outstripped by the apartments asking for so much. Mortgages based on the projected rental income and all of that.
@@DeadAir21 The upper end are the people who are leaving the most, since they can reliably find work anywhere in the country
@@jmlinden7 doesn’t mean rents will drop because landlords will not rent these units at a loss. Makes no sense especially for the big land lords they’ll just keep the units vacant till the right tenant comes or the area stabilizes.
@@DeadAir21 Rents have already dropped in SF and NYC, but only for the high end apartments since landlords can't afford to leave those empty like they can with the cheaper apartments
Plot twist: they jacked up all the house costs by at least 10%.
This is a wonderful opportunity for those cities to retain that talent with long term amenities
$10k is not enough to entice me to go live in BFE, sorry.
Facts
Darn, my plan is now popular. For real tho, as long as you have a high speed internet connection, you can live almost anywhere in the US.
And even some places outside of it. I moved to another country during covid.
A year in Arkansas? 10K isn't enough money.
Birthplace of WalMart Arkansas?
Yeah but that’s also on top of what they are getting payed from the tech company’s which is probably pretty high considering they are living in some of the most expensive areas in the US. Plus I live in the south and it’s pretty cheap😎
@Blake they still make money from their tech job which would be like 100,000 a year per person or more so definitely enough for arkansas
You mean because you couldn't stand to live there? Stay in San Francisco, then. Or Seattle. Enjoy the feces and trash.
Agreed. I live in northwest Arkansas as a remote tech worker and I am leaving as soon as I can. Terrible place to be if you are ethnic or simply want to be around people willing to wear masks in public.
Can apply if I live in London
I am fully onboard with remote work with *small children*, because when they get to be 10+, the limited possibilities of small towns may come back to bite you. It's still a world of who do you know, unfortunately.
No reasonable person or company will move back to SAF with the taxes and expensive cost of living
I always wondered how the future of remote work would affect things like taxes. Right now we have setups for ex-pats on assignment and digital nomads are typically contract/gig workers but it’s going to be interesting to see how big tech and tax legislation would handle an employee potentially working in different states or countries within a small number of years
I live in one state and my job is in another. I pay taxes to the state I live in
@@NewBlueTrue Right, the rules are mostly geared towards remote with permanent "home location", but I'm wondering about all these talks of people potentially being able to work anywhere so even if your "residential" address is in say one state in the US, but you work a couple months in one state, a couple months in another, heck maybe even a couple months abroad... so far the only setups I've seen for that are ex-pats or contractor setups.
@@christodang Hmm, not too sure about that one. I guess time will tell
By the year 2050 sitting in an office or cubicle will be a thing of the past. We have been slowly moving towards more remote working since the 2000's. The Coronavirus pandemic just sped the process up. There is really no longer any benefit for a company to lease an office when they can now have their workers do the same job from the comfort of their home. This not only saves companies more money, it saves employees more money on gasoline and no longer sitting through traffic or dealing with workplace drama among co-workers.
I this is good for some, but they will have a hard time competing with developing countries that have become magnets for remote workers. I'm moving to Cambodia next year where my rent will be like $250 a month and all and all I'll just need $1,000 a month to live like a king.
If you don't mind me asking, what's your job?
It’s all good til you need health care or emergency services. ☠️
Been there done that, 3rd world countries don’t have the level of U.S. infrastructure needed to sustain the same safety levels.
You'll want insurance that covers an emergency helicopter trip to Bangkok if something serious happens.
@@ronagoodwell2709 There are plenty of good, modern hospitals in Phnom Penh. It isn't all bamboo huts.
Out of all the places..Arkansas
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Employees: We will be remotely working from Kansas forever
Companies: we are going to outsource your jobs to Kanpur!
Live where cities are good to you!
I felt relief after I watched this video
I was just in the Ozarks this past weekend, you couldn’t pay me enough to live there for over a year
Please tell us why don't keep us in the Middle Ages dark
Fayetteville is actually a very nice city. But outside of there, things get really rough really fast.
The Ozarks are all the better for the lack of your whiney mouth
Disagree...same thing said about Detroit. Only cars are made here because of intellectual capital. Tech can be developed anywhere, even more so than any other industry as its not a durable good.
If the bay area wants to keep the crown they have to make it appealing post pandemic. Otherwise up and comers like Birmingham, Baltimore, and Austin (amongst others) will erode the bay area.
Yep... all big cities were small towns once upon a time. Bentonville would become a major hub in 10 years. Let's not act like Austin was always on the map. Their "great place to live" status is rather recent... largely due to people moving there.
Vermont also. Too cold for me
So cool!
Okay how can we apply to that?
As long there happy am happy for them
Most "remote jobs" will be sent to India or automated. A job that can be done on a computer can be done by a computer, save for the most technical ones. Moving away from high population major cities is great until layoffs come.
That scenario would take another generation. Should not worry about that for now
@@HaiLeQuang I saw out staff go from 200 US employees to 20 in 18 months. It will happen. Just a matter of time for upper management to determine feasibility and find an outsourcing partner.
@@wilber504 The US education system is failing and in some part of the country it has already failed such as Alabama, even in bay area probably around half of all tech people are immigrants, Chinese, Indian, Mexican, Irish, Germen etc. RIght now customer service jobs are already outsourced to India and other countries.
Automation is good but there are always glitches that causes clean up and correction by someone with a pulse. Trust me. See it constantly.
@@ajoyforlife1 I read somewhere that Tesla aimed to automate the whole production process but failed because the glitches occured frequently that hinder the productivity. Then the robot needed to "outsource" part of their job to human. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I can’t imagine being a single person relocating to these podunk areas.
Unless you wanna go there to retire I mean sure welcome...
I couldn't imagine living in a city run by Republicans!! Ooo God... No culture, no night life, No Art, No Museum, No diversity....I live in Houston but very liberal compared to the state... Most diverse city in the U.S
Fayetteville AR is pretty artsy and lots of singles
Bentonville isn’t like that at all. They only showed a small clip of the historical side. NW AR has everything- tons of restaurants, shopping, and millions (literally millions) of dollars worth of art museums, mountain biking trails (what this region is known for) and parks. You can also buy a 2,000 sq ft home for under $500k here. That’s considerably higher than other parts of the state, but still extremely low cost compared to CA.
I’ve lived in NYC, Sydney Australia, Philaelphia, spent tons of time in DC...... and as a millennial I really love living in a small town in a semi rural area.
I can drive a few hours and be in a major city it I want to visit a museum, otherwise there’s not much appeal anymore for me to go to a big city. If you’re a teenager or early twenties then I get it, but once you’re out of college the appeal of a city goes away really quickly
Cash, incentives and mountain bikes. I saved you 7.21 min. 😎
Yeah, it’s a hard pass for me. 😂
Nice video.
I've seen Get Out, no way I'm moving to those remote places as a minority
Same. I’ll gladly stay in California and wait for everyone else to move out.
NWA is very surprisingly diverse, especially Springdale and Rogers. Springdale is a minority majority city. Rogers is getting close to that.
@@fcplop98 especially with all the sun down towns, it's horrifying
I get to live in Arkansas? You can keep your money. You can double it and keep it.
You have constitutional carry defacto
I cannot wait to get out of SF once our business lease ends in 2 years. It’s a beautiful place totally squandered by its policies.
I would move to the south pole if you give me $2M.
If any of these cities that incentivize moving have the compact-beauty factor of Oslo then I'll buy and/or move there in a quick Instant.
That's all I need: knowing I can walk to whatever I need in the city including parks/culture/Nature and that requires a bit of high buildings built close to eachother (done w appealing aesthetics Helps with tolerating the tight quarters, too 😳🙏🏼).
Where does that exist in the US other than NYC?
(Not enough nature to cement ratio as I'd like)
As someone who's lived in the suburbs, small town, rural, and large city. I think suburbs are by far the best. Theres places to go, not too far from the cities, can get reasonable place to live, and qol is typically better.
Exactly, I don't know why people bash on suburbs so much
Just give some place to live. And I would be happy to spend my money in your city. Such beautiful places 😻
...until they found out they have to live next to the Milkovich family with their backyard gun range and ten foot rebel flag
Still safer than Democrat cities
@@nutmaster7794 cap
rebel flag? the confederate traitors? probably part of the kkk or some other hate group
Come to Bestikas.
4:03 Bob Ross looks a lot different than he used to
It's hot in Topeka ;D
But if it's remote they I don't understand why they don't just live in like Thailand or Colombia or somewhere abroad where you can live well for 2k a month
Time zones would be tough
Colorado springs ..next rush is to here
TOO LATE! Gahhh... it's already happening and im one of the jerks that's part of it. When we first looking at CoSprgs 10 months ago, it was 30k cheaper than it is right now. Looking at Falcon and Fountain for slightly more affordability.
@@ShaudaySmith pueblo is the next colo springs lol
@@n3wt O___O
Headlines. All tech workers lose job due to outsourcing to emerginging markets. Side effect of internet evolution and lessons learnt from covid lockdown.
headline silicon valley relocate itself to india to take advantage of the low programmer cost.
@@noirto2 headline majority of people are stupid for thinking you can just relocate programming costs to india
SF supervisor holding on to the old dream.
By providing free WiFi?
I get it... needing to support your family and all. But why would you ever agree to a 4 hour commute? Is any job worth that?
I wouldn't move there for 20k
They are glad
What if they throw in a free puppy?
I am glad that you seem happy where you are currently at.
Because it’s a small town or because you’re black in Arkansas?
Fair enough, but when you have a wife and kids you start to think that a life in SF isn't good for them long-term. The guy with his family did the right thing.
That’s California seeding it’s culture throughout the country... Colorado turned blue because of it...
I couldn't imagine living in a city run by Republicans!! Ooo God.. I live in Houston but very liberal compared to the state... Most diverse city in the U.S
@@shadowpat810 Lol haa.. Yeah go ahead and move there.. I won't go..
GOP messaging is terrible.
@@JK-gu3tl Liberals can get billion dollars but they will still remain pseduos. Must be some trauma experienced in SFO
It's hot in Topeka
My brother used a relocation system to move to ND, he made mistake move to small town. He hates it, they are very conservative state so not a good place for a young gay man to live, he feels alienated. So make sure it fits your life style, do research.
These aren't the people you want in your town. These are the people who hate those kinds of towns.
That's right. That's so right. This is why the advance of technology and remote working is so important. Why people cant live in cheap, rural areas, still making good money and enjoy all benefits of life.
I liked Bob Ross more as a painter
lol. the infrastructure in the city is the biggest question. from civil to networks.
That's cool
Moving Arkansas then being fired does not make sense
well... duh... but you can't really control that... But remote work is hear to stay and the cost of living in Arkansas is just not comparable to living anywhere in California. Being a remote worker means you can get a job anywhere as long as you have strong internet and lucrative remote jobs abound, my dude. It's not as bad as all that.
Uh, they never said they put any money into improving the internet. Rural internet is notoriously bad. Electrical infrastructure as well. Good luck being a remote designer (what were the other ppl's jobs, anyway?) when you can't connect reliably to the server.
@@mandisaw true, a lot of more rural towns are working to entice remote workers by investing in connectivity. They don't note that Arkansas is doing that, but the state would be remised not to or else people won't stay or worse, contribute to the depression of the area by getting stuck jobless and eventually homeless..
@@ShaudaySmith A handful of homesteaders is not enough to reverse over a half-century of underinvestment and socioeconomic decline.
This isn't just about bringing in some quick tax/consumer revenue, and maybe some young families - they need to roll-forward the clock, build lasting social & economic changes.
@@mandisaw So true, couldn't agree more!
Moving to Arkansas for 10K, I rather stay in Miami hahaha
No doubt however with that said you don't need a license to carry a weapon in Arkansas Florida you do
My sister lived in Arkansas cause her husband is in the army and there were days when they were told by the military to not leave home because there were KKK rallies going on in the city
@@xxxxMonkeyGirlxxxx so I guess Arkansas isn't really that safe ?
@@thisismarkbro license or no license never really was safe to begin with
@@thisismarkbro I’ve been to bentonville and confederate flags flying around are pretty common 😬
if your job can be done remotely, it can be done anywhere and by anyone qualified. The next wave of outsourcing is coming. The 19th century saw the outsourcing of manufacturing and the usa is dramatically different and shifted greatly towards white collar jobs. But where will the people go when the white collar jobs can also be outsourced. For example, Medical billing and basic accounting can be done anywhere and require minimal skills. Why pay an american to do the job while they feel like they are underpaid when an indian or bangladeshi would be eternally greatful for half or a quarter of american wages. Won’t happen all at once, but give it a few years and companies will be forced to outsource remote jobs to trim the fat on labor costs or they won’t be able to compete with the companies that do.
Even if they stick to hiring Americans, why pay a big-city salary when you can find someone cheap and skilled in farm country? Once you're adjusted to an AK salary, no way you can afford to ever move out of there.
@@mandisaw This is what I fear
I can do my job from pretty much anywhere but prefer living in large cities. If people want to move away, fine. More space for me.
My thoughts exactly. Y’all go head and move out and make rent and housing cheaper but I love the city.
Who du heck is that man with Thomas Jefferson hair?
ok but i need like a whole new video on Tyler.
What happens when these remote workers lose their jobs in the small cities? My Spider-Man sense tells me they will be forced to move back to a large city to find another job.
They might lose their job, but i honestly think remote work is here to stay so that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to find another job that accommodates their situation. Companies are pivoting away from cereal bars and nap lounges in office, to flexible scheduling and remote work to entice workers and maintain employee loyalty. And now these people in these small towns will be spending their money on local businesses, their taxes will go to their new home state. That's good for local economies and state revenues.
@@ShaudaySmith It's here to stay for software engineers. If you're not technical, you really need to think about whether it's a good idea to move to non-tech hubs.
@@matthewthesecond For non-tech professionals, I'm jealous with the flexibility of software engineering jobs
Nah corona made the companies rethink about remote working and will continue to be half remote half in office even after corona
Unless you're tryin' to move to Bankok, for half the salary, 'remote' tech jobs are probably not gonna have a lucrative, long term future in the US 🇺🇸.
I work in tech, now remote, and am available to the highest bidder. 😁
This subject has been stated to be a bad thing for a few weeks now, but no one is actually stating how this is bad.
Nice to see wingsofredemption getting a break
Can't wait to see them bore their way into small town cabin fever. Thank you for making rent cheaper in big cities.
We've seen it during COVID-19 lockdown in big cities.
Me right now
SF needs to get real, no body can afford to live there! Companies don’t even wanna live there, it’s astronomically expensive for very little reason. Sure, it will always be a hub for tech but the average joe employee for a tech company does not need to live there, they can work from home anywhere else and travel to SF when needed. And starts up can’t afford to move to SF either.
I am so happy for those people! :)
Well if he works for Facebook he doesn’t get to keep his silicon valley salary, Facebook said you can move but it will pay you a salary based on the cost of living of where you’re moving to
Why doesn’t Facebook just hire remote workers in middle America and cut all labor costs in half then? Because salaries aren’t determined by your living expenses. They’re determined by how valuable you are to the company. If I move to Kansas and Facebook gives me a 50% pay cut, my fellow coworkers in Cali better be able to prove they’re twice as valuable to Facebook as I am or they’ll get the axe.
Eventually other businesses and consumers buy from Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Nvidia, Microsoft so these are the stocks you want to own.