Toyo R888 vs Nankang AR-1 - K20 Honda S2000 - Spa (Part II)
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2016
- This time we test the Nankang AR-1s in our K20-swapped Honda S2000 in what is probably Europe's coolest F1 track, Spa-Francorchamps.
The shorter and more techincal GP circuit allow us to have a more clear conclusion on how we feel about the AR-1s. To make it more interesting we actually test them versus the quite popular Toyo R888. With the only difference being the swap from Toyo R888 to Nankang AR-1 we find almost 4 seconds out of Kostas' previous personal best in what is a ~3 min track!
This for OLH is more than enough to call the AR-1 not just a good budget semi but a very good option no matter the price tag. We will eventually come back and post some Nordschleife lap times but for comparison purposes this is as 'clinical' as it gets without a huge budget, multiple sets of wheels and booking the whole track for yourself. On top of the improvement in lap times driver's feedback was very positive. Stiffer sidewalls, better steering feel, better braking performance and more grip in total to top it all off.
* Excuse us for the sound problems. Last video of the year and all.
** Car moved to a narrower square tire setup for Nankang, compared to the wider rear/narrower front Toyos. (That technically would be an advantage for the Toyos)
*** Absolute time difference is not always relevant and not our key way to decide how we feel about a tire. However when it is so big it's safe to say that AR-1s are faster than R888, at least in this application. - Авто та транспорт
did you guys test the advan 050? or dunlop DZ03? bridgestone RE-11S?
When are these Nankang AR-1's going to be available in the US??? A year later and it seems to be radio silence over here, still!! I can't even get either of their "find a dealer" or "contact" form pages to work...
Are those 18” rays alloys ? What are the tyre size?
I've never heard anything good about the R888. If the Nankang AR-1s become available in the US I'll give them a try. Wish you could compare them against the Hankook RS3, which is a very popular budget tire in the US. Great video!
I am pretty sure they have been the benchmark go to tire for a long time so whenever people complain about the R888 you have to put it into context that it is still the best all-rounder semi-slick.
We aren't biased since we run the OLH cars in everything Kumhos, Toyos, Nankangs, Avons, Yokohamas e.t.c. However we really believe the R888 -while not especially great in anything- is a very good all around tire. As for the AR-1s they are for sure a step above Hankook RS3, Bridgestone RE-71R and the likes. They are actual semi-slicks/r-comps not ultra-high performance street tires.
Got it. So R888 is middle of the road semi-slick. Some tires are better some are worse, but at least everyone is comparing them to the same R888 tire. Make sense! The comparison is not only based on price but they are also compared by class. Your assessment is that the RS3 and AR1 shouldn't be compared. While in a similar price range, not in the same class.
Isn't there an R888R tire now?
Rum Runner S2K Rs3 is a 200 tread wear tire and r888 and a way softer compound. Not a fair comparison.
Impressive showing!
Was that new vs new tyres?
Both tires weren't brand new 'sticker' tires and had a couple of sessions in. However it's safe to say that none of the two were heat-cycled out so more or less the comparison is fair.
(As we said in the previous video we don't like to pretend this is a perfect comparison/review because... when it comes to tires it is very difficult to do!)
Looks impressive!! How much warm up time does the Nankang need compared to other semis like Direzza / Toyo or Hybrid's Yokohama AD08R??? What Pressure do you drive with AR1?
We'd say in a track like Spa the warm up time was very similar but we found the AR-1s to last 1-2 laps more than the R888 before 'overheating'. We keep our sessions short and run them with relatively low pressures ~2 bar, but it's better if you check what works better in your car as you put wear in the tire and adjust accordingly. (Or ideally measure temps)
I race with the 2017 compound AR1 and they didn't over heat once with 15 minute races unless your over driving, the laps got quicker if anything. see our vid video review too.
Hola , cuanto duran aproximadamente usandolos en ciudad? Cuantos km pensas que puedan durar?
Which compound were the Nankangs? They are available in soft/medium etc, also are they as ridiculously noisy as the r888s? Good, interesting video guys, keep it up.
Only one compound is available right now for the Nankangs. Noise unfortunately is more or less the same as R888s and most serious semi-slicks.
That said we did a 1500 km road trip across Europe with them with no serious problem!
more rubber on the ground = more noise it has nothing to do with the brands all "almost" slick tires are super noisy they really aren't street tires, all grip zero comfort
I used to drive R888 the last season. I was happy with them. For the current season I've bought AR-1. Today was first test but I am unsure that AR-1 is better then R888. Maybe I expected too much :(
We found the AR-1s to be considerably better than the R888 in our S2000. Give them some more time.
Any more updates on what sorr of distance can be gotten out of these tires on street use witg maybe ocasional hot laps?
I plan to daily use this tire probably not even track just aggressive street use. On an s2000 stock weight soon supercharged
We daily drive most of our semis. We haven't 'finished' a set yet but they look like they are holding perfectly fine.
We did a 1500km road trip with them across Europe and had zero issues, as long as you are careful with extreme weather you should have no problem at all.
OneLapHeroes thanks so the trip started with a fresh ser or already had use?
Whats the total km you think you are getting out of them aprox?
What sizes ar-1 are on this s2000?
Because of tire sizes available here i wont be doing square setup they only have 225/40/18 and 265/35/18 so either too small or too big for square setup
So i am going staggered with those two sizes as soon as my wheels arrive. What sizes you guys using in this vid?
Ar1 or a052 mate?
and what is the différence as "duration of the tyre life" between the R888 and the AR-1, please ?
We haven't used them enough, we have 3000-4000 km in different sets. It seams more or less the same as any tire of this segment.
We will update you in a future Q-A as we use them more.
Ok thank you (grazie)
any news?
Great tyre the AR-1's I have them on my car
Can you describe the tire characteristics of the AR-1 tire at the limit? Do they provide a lot of feedback (noise, feeling, etc)? Do the AR-1 have predictable breakaway and let you run a lot of slip angle? Or are they more peaky in grip and prefer more precise driving (like re71r)?
They do provide some audible feedback (less than other tires but still some). We'd also say that because of the stiff sidewall you get good feel but they aren't the most progressive tire at the limit (but still very good for semi-slicks). They are certainly one category up from UHP tires (like re71r) and that means with more grip come a tire that will need more care. Still as you can see in various vids we slide them around successfully and have over-driven them without catastrophic results. We feel that compared with the R888s (as in the vid) are a bit less street-friendly but better on track (better braking,better overall grip).
This test is worth nothing. Look at drops on the windscreen on the left car. There is no similar conditions on the track during two tests.
Kwailek Trewsujnik I thought this too but no wipers went on so was it maybe just dirty?
so much want
Τωρα η ερωτηση ειναι το παιρνεις για καθημερινο το nan?
Ανάλογα το αυτοκίνητο το σεταπ και το στήσιμο. Σε ένα αυτοκίνητο στημένο σωστά είναι πολύ καλό αλλά με μείον ότι θέλει καλό ζέσταμα σε βρεγμένο οδωστρωμα χωρίς νερά και πάρα πολύ προσοχή χωρίς γκάζι σε βροχή. Σίγουρα φθειρετε και δν κρατάει όπως ένα κοινό ελαστικό αλλά ότι πληρώνεις παίρνεις και ανάλογα τι θες.. Εγώ σε saxo vts 16αρι GroupA εκκεντρο τα δουλεύω σε 30 μπροστά 28 πίσω πιέσεις και μαζί με σινεμπλοκ, ανάρτηση, Powerflex, 22αρες Αντιστρεπτικές και 300lbs ελατήρια δουλεύουν αψογα
Do you use tire warmers for the nankang?
dont know about them but actually rhey not demand warmup . Even at 5-10 degreese they grip from start at 100% of abilities
We'd say it is actually the opposite. The tires get up to temp quite quickly (and you actually quite 'easy' to overheat them).
As commented above we had them work great even at very cold almost 0 deg track conditions.
Τα AR-1 πως ειναι καθημερινα σε συγκριση με το ρ888? Εχω 8ρια γι αυτο ρωταω.
Ta exoume dokimasei se 2 diaforetika aytokinhta kapakia apo R888 k anamesa sta dyo ta AR-1 einai ena click kalytera se ola.
Kai ta dyo lastixa einai mia xara gia kathimerina. (Ean profanws katalabaineis oti yparxoun oi synithesmenoi symbibasmoi otan odhgas semi-slick ston dromo)
@@OneLapHeroes Ευχαριστω. Sidewall εχουν πιο μαλακο τα AR1 ή το ιδιο? Πως τα ειδατε ζεστενονται ή ακομα πιο δυσκολα απο τα r888 ? Εγω ολως περιεργως οδηγαω με 888 χειμωνα καλοκαιρι 2 χρονια και ολα καλα. Απλα δεν τρεχεις στην βροχη.
@@OneLapHeroes ποια κατά την γνώμη σου είναι για σένα τα 3 καλύτερα semi slick για να διαλέξω;; έως τώρα χρησιμοποιώ τα michelin Spot pilot 4s, αξίζει να πάω σε semi??. Μπορείς να με πεις τα 3 καλυτερα;; τιμή δεν με ενδιαφέρει, ευχαριστώ
AR1, 888R, Ad08r. Tα ΑD08r δεν τα βρίσκεις πια αλλά τα rs που είναι υποδεέστερα. Για σεμι στο δρόμο εγώ προτίμησα σε saxo vts και renault clio rs που έχω τα ΑR1 και είμαι ευχαρηστιμενος απλά δεν κάνω ότι δεν θα έκανες με σεμι σε συνθήκες δρόμου. Όχι γκάζι σε βροχή, ούτε γωνιασματα τιμονιού. Σε βρεγμένο χωρίς βροχή σταθερές κινήσεις και καλό ζετσαμα πριν. Προτίμησα τα AR1 από 888 γιατί έχουν καλύτερο grip σε μεγάλη γωνία στροφής, καλύτερο handling σε όλο το φάσμα και είναι ποιο σταθερό σε ψυλη φόρτιση g κλισεων.
Υπάρχουν βέβαια και φθηνότερα αλλά ότι πληρώσεις θα πάρεις και υπάρχουν και σεμι δρόμου oπως ns2r η ad08r. Ποιο βάτα για καθημερινά η για βρεγμένο με προτίμηση το ns γιατί το yoko δεν βγαίνει πια σε ad08r αλλά rs που είναι υποδεέστερο
Do you guys like the federal 595 rs r ?
I tried them on my Exige. Fine as a street tyre....not a lot of grip in wet ( very bad ) or on a dry track. Mind you I have 300whp so maybe it was too much for them.
I have used the Federal 595RS and I cannot recommend them because they are like soap when overheated.
What tire pressure in the r888's?
The video is too old to give you an exact answer AND what worked for this specific car, around Spa, on that day might not be good for you. (That said both tires have been adjusted to their 'happy' place after many sessions. Rough advice aim around 2 bar hot and go from there...)
how are the nankang in the wet?
Not bad really. Of course you have to compare them with semi-slick with same type of big thread blocks.
We daily drive our cars so we even used them in snow. Not recommended but... we are very civilized on public roads so!
definitely horrible and dangerous lol I never drove them but I drove A048 which looked kind of the same maybe with more stripes and brand new they were ok but at half wear they were aquaplaning below legal road speeds, you don't buy that kind of tires for everyday driving I recommend Yoko AD08R if you want to do that it's the best of both worlds
No corrections in nankang
Are these Nankangs good for drag racing after a burnout?
Wouldn’t recommend you want a soft side wall for drag and a compound that heats up fast
@@Speediesam I’m limited because of space so I have to stick to a 205 vs a 225 which would be ideal if I can fit 225/50/15 Hoosier DR2
@@Speediesam what do you recommend?
@@jdportwerks6795 if money isn’t an issue Hoosiers 100% if you can fit 225. Have you tried running spacers to fit a bigger tire. R888 heat up well, most guys with big torque pull good 60ft with those tires.
@@Speediesam money isn’t issue it’s fitting I’m running 81 vw pick up truck and with 225 the tires will not let me turn all the way. I was told those nankang after a burnout in burnout box they get sticky. Wanted to confirm. But r888 I can get in 205/50
why not k24?
Raining 8n the toyos
Dry on the nankang 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
but AR1 dont have 20inch..
More sizes coming...
wet & dry ?
Both laps in completely dry conditions. Just a dirty windshield on a sunny day.
Who is this one guy with the dislike ???
He doesn't own a car.
CEO of Toyo
The Nankang AR1 is quite popular just because it is quite cheap. But it is a heavy tyre around 1kg heavier than a R888R (195/50R15). It have got a hard compound, it take longer to warm up than the Toyo and will stay on a little longer, but they are not very good in the wet. Also the new R888R is faster than the R888, around 1 to 2 seconds per lap! So this is not real test - TOYO FASTER IN ANYWAY!!!
For sure!!!!
True!!!
We've driven Toyos for years. We had both R888 and R888R in multiple cars. We don't like blanket statements. There is no perfect tire. A heavier RWD car might need something completely different than a 800 kg FWD car. The AR-1s are indeed heavy (and not very good in the wet) but also are faster than both R888 and R888R every single time we tried. Different cars and different sizes. Considerably faster. Every single time. Good price is of course a bonus.
R888's in the rain, eh.
I use R888's as my rain tire, but sadly they are now discontinued. My wet track lap time is 2 seconds slower than my dry lap time, because I can still put down all 600kw at full throttle in the rain with the R888's, grip is amazing. R888r's tho... not so much, my laps are 12 seconds slower in the rain. So maybe you mean the R888r?