General Relief Society President - Family Proclamation, "Family Is The Doctrine Of Christ"
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"This was Christ's Doctrine"
Former General Relief Society President Julie Beck throws "truth bombs" on "Theology Of The Family," the Family Proclamation, and The Family as The Doctrine of Christ.
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As we continue to shut our mouths and slide down the Spiral of Silence on the Doctrine of the Family, bad actors will continue to dispense appealing falsehoods and gain ground on each of us and on our family members. We need to raise our voices about our FAMILY THEOLOGY! We need to be grounded in the doctrine of the gospel. The order of the family is central to this doctrine and to the Plan of Salvation. False teachings on the temple and the order of the family are gaining more than steam; they are gaining converts.
I wonder how anyone can eliminate Christ and still believe in grace, heaven, hell, or resurrection. Without Christ we cannot overcome even death. I worry about our brothers and sisters who are both members and non-members. I don't think many members understand the theology of family or agency. I hear members in our testimony meeting testify to things contrary to agency. There is so much misunderstanding of members. So many think that because you are sealed to someone you are automatically going to the celestial kingdom no matter what you do. They think their children will end up with them in the celestial kingdom no matter what their child chooses. I wish everyone would study the gospel and desire to understand it fully. They also believe that after we die and are resurrected we will be able to move from one kingdom to the next. I really worry about members understanding the doctrine. Many think we just have to believe in Christ and he will bring our loved ones home to exaltation. I weep in my soul knowing so many will not obtain exaltation. I am striving for it though I am imperfect and I repent daily. So many think that mercy is Christ giving us our loved ones even when our loved ones don't believe or want exaltation. Many members don't understand justice or mercy. Sorry about my rant. I just have really strong feelings about all of this. Thank you for sharing.
Greg, I’ve been a subscriber for awhile now. I just put it together. I sent this to my dad and he mentioned that you’re a wonderful family friend. Your dad and my grandfather were mission companions. I had no idea. I love your work! Keep up the good fight! A lot of the younger generation agrees with you and is in this fight!
We had an awesome talk today where Captain Moroni, the Title of Liberty, and the proclamation of the family were highlighted. It was very refreshing.
True
I’m very very interested in what kind of talks we will hear in general conference? Will they be the usual have faith in Christ and love others and avoid contention? Or will there be very specific call outs for some of these issues you bring up? What will be the focus of each session?
Julie Beck is a courageous valiant woman❤
Iconic!
I wonder if I would have survived, dedication/testimony-wise in the Church if I were a young person today. I was blessed to be a teen and young adult in the 70s and 80s. We concentrated on the elements of the Plan of Salvation, and also the tenets of the Family Proclamation before it came into existence as an official doctrinal document.
“Now there are those among us who are trying to serve the Lord without offending the devil.”
-Marion G. Romney
James E. Faust later gave an incredible talk about this.
Great quote to share. Thanks
@@danjohnson8556 Do you remember the name of the talk? Or a year it was given... I am trying to find it. Thank you!
@@nataly140 It was a speech at BYU… ua-cam.com/video/qcHQikcmO1U/v-deo.htmlsi=abRc7DMnewlnnD_Y
I'm a young women's leader. I bring up the family Proclamation all the time! I'm not afraid to teach truth. With Satan's voice being so loud right now, we can't afford to be quiet!
In the 90s, if you supported“family values“ or spoke against “non-traditional families” you were labeled “intolerant.“ Being intolerant meant you were on one side of the line, but you were still in the discussion. Today you are canceled and not permitted in the discussion. You are a bigot or a racist or sexist and canceled. Your voice is not protected by the first amendment. Your words “hurt“or “harm” and are therefore invalid and canceled. To be labeled intolerant was acceptable. To be canceled is intolerable.
We need to raise our voices. Truth is truth.
Yesterday’s ‘tolerance’ is today’s ‘affirmation’
So well stated!
My bishop was a institute teacher and did a whole combined Sunday on this talk at the time. It was amazing. I had 4 teenagers at the time and honestly, it was a huge wake up call to me.
Greg- love your content!
Also note that God says that one of His names is Eternal. The word is not just referring to time so Eternal life also refers to God's life thus to gain Eternal life means we are gaining life like God's life but to do that we MUST be obedient to His Laws and commandments and those have come to us through prophets ancient and modern.
Thank you for a
standing with the prophets and apostles. Culture and tradition influence all people, not only non latter-day saints, and deceive even the very elect, but the Saints who stand with courageous faithfulness are promised a certain blessing. Absent that covenant courageous faithfulness based upon the sealing power restored by Elijah and the temple covenants as a whole which bestow an endowment of power from God, we have no such certainty.
Julie Beck nails it here. Truth after truth.
In D&C 121 the Lord makes a promise to those who live virtuous lives; it is that
“…the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven “. (vs.45)
That doctrine is all about the sealing of a family - of families! By the way- from vs. 34 onward we are taught how to govern and preside as a father and mother - husband and wife in our families.
Thanks Greg. Love your content!
I loved when she was RS G President ❤
I loved that she was in the Young Women's presidency and then the Relief Society Presidency when I was moving into adulthood.
President Gordon B. Hinckley once said:
> "The strength of any nation is rooted within the walls of its homes" ("Stand Strong against the Wiles of the World," October 1995 General Conference).
4:39 as an adult, I don't feel like Elders' Quorum helps me be a better husband and father. We just talk surface level of the last talk. We have no discussion that our wives couldn't be present. No ones will talk about their specific problems.
We can't even have an honest discussion about what it means to preside, let alone come to any conclusion. I'm only slightly too old for a Harry Potter reference, so it's like taking Defense Against the Dark Arts from Professor Umbridge.
I try, but the conversation quickly moves onward because people are or might be uncomfortable.
It needs to change. If we are using General Conference talks as the manuals, we need to get into the scriptures, doctrine, and the application in our daily lives.
I’m sure many quorum discussions can be improved, but this reminds me of Elder Bednar saying if all we ever learn about the gospel is from what people tell us at church, we are on a sandy foundation. The individual priesthood holder has the responsibility to know and practice the doctrine. “… would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets.”
I love the Professor Umbridge reference. Perfectly said!
Yes, individuals have primary responsibility to learn the doctrine. But priesthood bearers magnify their priesthood calling by preaching and teaching the doctrine so that the blood and sins of those to whom they minister is cleansed from the priesthood bearers' garments. This certainly includes doing so in quorum settings.
I don’t disagree. We are to also sustain our leaders in their weakness. I hear too often criticism of quorum content usually from those who haven’t mastered the conference talk material themselves.
As a Single Man, who wants to have a Family, I can attest to the fact that the poison that Lucifer pours into the minds of the the Women of the Church absolutely frustrates the effort to build a relationship that’s moving toward Exaltation.
my initial comment was blocked...but I feel for you. Ive experienced what you are experiencing and when I noticed and spoke up ....many other members shouted me down...including Greg.
The Young Women's program needs an overhaul
Agreed
@@carsonhawkes we are repeatedly taught that men are fallen and women are angels. Ive dated a TON in the church and outside the church and I wish my report were different but there is not much difference. EVERY girl I dated in the church , I learned later was / had been hooking up. Others I found attractive physically but their minds were warped by the feminist / woke virus and did not want traditional roles . And many wanted to postpone children or not have any . I would probably pay 20k to find a woman who was just feminine, fit and traditional. It's THAT hard nowadays unless at BYU and in 18-24 yr old range. Women are being masculinized and men feminized . Feminism is Marxist based and today we have barely masculine men and barely feminine women. Yet Greg continues to dance around it. Hes a part time anti marxist. I am against all evils of all Marxism
@@stephaniewilliamson4611what would you do differently...I'm asking sincerely.
It’s so fascinating to me that the theology of the family (love that term, so gonna use it) is being questioned just in the church. Like just the other week, I saw this post from a page I follow that posts wonderful and inspiring thoughts. All church related. One such post was a picture that said something to the effect of “marriage, the only commandment you can’t obey by yourself” and it the comments there was an individual, who I want to say *was* a member (profile picture had a well known Book of Mormon print in the back ground). Was stating that marriage wasn’t a commandment, because it’s not stated in the Bible or Book of Mormon. As I tried to defend marriage, and brought up exaltation, she also didn’t believe THAT was a thing. (For the same reason why she didn’t believe marriage was a commandment)
Sorry for the long comment, but it’s something that’s becoming more and more apparent to me that I need to be a defender of theology of the family, the temple, and exaltation not only outside the church, but also sometimes in. (Though thankfully inside is still done less than out).
This is why I am speaking so much on this. We are losing the doctrine and our understanding of these eternal truths.
I was able to talk with Julie Beck for a while once. She is genuine and called of God!
I love her talk “Mothers who know.” It helped me stay centered when I started having children. She is a prophetess if I ever saw one.
Theology of the Family...a beautiful concept. Satan is subtly attacking this Theology in yet another way. A way that is hard for devout LDS to see. Many parents are prioritizing their relationship(s) with their children above their spouses. They will contribute to the destruction of their marriages, all the while sabotaging the success of their marriages. I think this would be a great subject to explore while diving deeper into the doctrine of exaltation.
So True
It is happening in My family
This is so true in so many ways. This is one of the major factors that destroyed my family. The sealing between the husband and wife to each other and to God is what makes the sealing of children to their parents possible. As far as I understand the doctrine and policy of the church of Jesus Christ, a child can not be sealed to just one parent. The sealing must be to both parents. Once children come to a sealed husband and wife, if one or both fall into the trap of favoring the relationships between parent and child ahead of the relationship between husband and wife, then the spousal relationship dwindles and the covenantal power of their sealing does also. Prioritizing parent-child relationships over the spousal relationship is not keeping the covenants we made with Heavenly Father when the husband and wife were sealed. Without the spousal sealing intact, the sealing of children to their parents is ineffectual. I believe it was Spencer W Kimball who taught that divorce is not the answer to marital problems. The solution is for both the husband and the wife to repent of the things that they are guilty of.
We need this talk to be resurrected and same exact truths Given again by one of the twelve.
Contention (about doctrine in the ward setting) is a choice after conflict is introduced. Conflict is inevitable...its just the intersection of ideas. Contention is when frustration, anger etc is added to the conflicting ideas.
Edit: I was just typing this when you went deeper here. As you can see I'm 100% on board with this idea.
Peacemakers often have to wade through contention to arrive at true peace. Captain Moroni was a true peace maker but he had to wade through a lot of conflict to bring it about. And he didn't even get to enjoy most of it.
Temple theology IS family theology. The Endowment ceremony is a similitide of the Hebrew wedding ceremony whereby we bind ourselves to Christ by who leads us back to God. If you want to understand the temple better, study the wedding parables of Jesus. Once you learn the hebrew wedding customs on which the parable of the 10 virgins and others are based, everything makes much more sense.
I like what Andrea has brought to the table.
@@CwicShow Absolutely, my temple worship has become so much more meaningful with a better understanding of the covenants we make which bind us to God's family.
@@CwicShow Yes, she is awesome!
Thank you Greg you have testified of the doctrines of our Heavenly Father’s Plan for the Exaltation of His Family, You have helped clarify for me that there can be no Zion without family first.
Im 64, and I could NEVER have imagined in my youth that the institution of the family could disintegrate in the world, let alone in the church. Attitudes have changed dramatically over the years as we have allowed Satan to influence us ever so slowly, one small step at a time. It is heartbreaking and tragic.
You're not alone in this observation. But to imagine that some within the Church are actively disparaging the Family is beyond the pale.
Wow you hit a home run with this one as far as what’s needed today!
This is one of your best videos! Nuclear TRUTH Bomb.
Thank you!
Julie Beck is my all time favorite of releif soceity presidents.
Ive noticed many things done to do away of the family besides brainwashing our children and or mutilating them.
Ive noticed that tiny houses are on the rise. And whatsnamazing it just struck me while looking at them , because i love things like that as far as home and RVs . While having prayed for insight into thw gospel and our world today. I was struck by the thought that came out of nowhere. ( And i never think anything is a coincidental.) It struck me , that housing isnthe new way of doing away of the family. Where did that thought come from i thoughr to myself . But then it just nailed me with it felt true.
💯 I felt this too around 5 years ago when we attended a Christmas market, it was mainly geared towards families as they had a lot of child activities. At this event Telus has a showcase apartment and called it the apartments of the future. You could go inside and walk in it. It was TINY, very sleek looking, everything was pointy and square, all white. I walked out of there with my husband and then two young kids and told him “well I guess the future is childless according to them”. Housing has also become a huge issue for young families all around the world. I live in metro Vancouver, housing here is insane. We will never own a home (though it’s not something we are resentful about) but even in this climate the Lord has blessed us to find a wonderful home to rent where we can raise our three children. Truly it is a miracle and an answer to many prayers as I also homeschool and was praying for the space to be able to continue doing so.
I think this may well be the best video you have done! I was captivated watching it. As the General Relief Society President, Sister Beck was speaking as a General Authority. It was one of the most profound discourses of gospel doctrine that I have ever heard. Its an incredible talk by an inspired servant of God.
Glad it was meaningful for you.
I love when you pointed out you can't eliminate justice without eliminating mercy. Very profound.
I remember this talk! One of the most powerful messages of our time. Julie Beck is truly one of the valiant.
Incredible talk clearly defining the truths. I have not heard one single talk by President Nelson where he clearly teaches these doctrines and defends the Family Proclamation. I can’t even find where he has mentioned the Family Proclamation and taught the clear doctrines on gender. In my opinion, this is the greatest reason why there is so much division in the church today. We need to teach these doctrines clearly and consistently. We are not doing that and this is leading to so much confusion and division.
Yes. In regards to President Nelson, he seems to have spoken less of it as President.
Not long ago, in his meeting with the Pope, President Nelson gifted the Pope two things, a Christus statue and a copy of the Family Proclamation.
"In God’s eternal plan, salvation is an individual matter; exaltation is a family matter." - Elder Russell M. Nelson
Also - www.ldsliving.com/the-apostolic-discussion-that-led-to-the-family-proclamation/s/92378
He is also one of the signers on the Proclamation.
@@markstimson983 Hear Him April Conference 2020; Embrace the Future With Faith, October Conference 2020; without mentioning the clearest elucidation of the sealing power in the last conference and the restoration thereof by Elijah in the Kirtland Temple. A search of more than 3 minutes will reveal more on family, sealing, covenant courage and faith. Godspeed.
Not to mention he was one of the twelve in the "We" from the family proclamation itself.
Maybe it's time for us as members of the Church to defend the Family Proclamation. Much like it's time for us as Americans to take our country back instead of expecting our so-called elected leaders to fix the problems we've allowed to spread across the world. We can do this by strengthening our families and communities. Light the World gives us perfect opportunities to make build bridges and make some waves.
@@RonDoty-i7z thank you!
Great episode, Greg!
You nailed it!
Appreciate it!
The reason God cares about our character and why He will not grant everyone exaltation has to do with us and not with Him. Our handsome host says it is because God cannot do that because, if He did, He would cease to be God. But, even if God could do it, He wouldn't want to. Can you imagine the catastrophic consequences of sharing God's immense power with someone who's incapable of being trusted with such power? You or I might try to use that power for good and inadvertently cause imense harm. Others might use the power for personal gain or aggrandizement. Still others might use the power to settle scores for perceived slights or petty jealousies. Since being joint-heirs with Christ of all God has means sharing with Him His awesome power, He requires us to become perfect. That's why He cares so much about our character. He must become trustworthy to hold and exercise His power.
"Conflict is not necessarily contention. Peace is not surrender of truth."
Avoiding contention often seems to be used as a cloaking virtue to silence truth.
I love Julie Beck! Great presentation, Gregg!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow, Greg! William Grant Bangerter was also my dad's mission president! And I'm named after his son, Julie's brother! Ask your dad if he knew 6'6" Ed Dennert. Unfortunately, my dad passed away 37 years ago so I can't ask him if he knew your dad.
Another great episode! Bless you Greg
I still remember a talk by W Grant Bengerter where he talked about how we spend our entire lives trying not to die, and then we go and do it anyway, and we need to spend our time preparing for that time.
I still remember a talk by W Grant Bengerter where he talked about how we spend our entire lives trying not to die, and then we go and do it anyway, and we need to spend our time preparing for that time.
Our last RS President has a mental health councilor influence in her life and Ward. She turned RS into group therapy sessions with verbal praise and service hours arranged for victimhood. A group of women were spending the week compiling lists of how they were mentally injured, or offended. Then they excitedly went to RS to declare themselves the biggest victim winner. Any who pointed out we needed to deal with our issues, move on and strengthen your relationship with the Savior and atonement, were made to feel like they were cruel and lacking compassion. The majority of the stable woman just went home after sacrament rather than be part of that nonsense
victimhood is a disease!
Where is the Julie B Beck in today’s leadership of the Women’s orgs? Instead we get Sister Eubanks’ philosophy 😢
What do you mean? Please tell me more or send a link. Thanks.
Ugh! 😢
Bring her back?
@@chickadeedownfarm2024 Google “Queer identity activism in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Dat Saints” and Sharon Eubank
Thank you for posting this!! Excellent!
Hey will you please do an episode on the Harris Campaign trying to influence Latter-day Saints in Arizona?
Yes, I am privy to some of this.
This is going on everywhere with the youth . My grandson was “taught “ at school that Harris was truly promoting
Christlike policies . She is “nice” as opposed to what other candidates want . I would find it interesting to hear what is being said in Arizona ?
@@tomasina10what???? They're TEACHING that in our public schools? So it's acceptable to mention Jesus Christ in schools as long as His Holy Name is coupled with that politician?? 😮
@@tonyclark2262 curiosity has be following this thread. Are there any articles or discussion threads talking about this?
@@TheBensMeister it’s been on KSL in the desert news. Briefly it was on the church website. And then got taken down.
"Conflict is not necessarily contention. Peace is not a surrender of truth. " YES YES YES! Thank you!
I am so thankful that I am blessed to have my husband and eight children to love and try to teach in this life and the hope of them forever also if we are faithful, all because of our Father in Heaven's wonderous plan and our Savior's atonement that we can repent and keep trying
Yea! Great comment, Sr. Beck! Anything anti-family includes trans and homosexuality and abortion and CPS!
you and Julie Beck are right on! We need to do all we can to stand for the family and teach our children and grandchildren how essential it is!
Having gone through the CES after this talk, there was a copy of most of the proclimations in all the rooms
The doctrine of the family has proven to be a great sifter in the Church. A member's understanding and support of it reveals much of their spiritual maturity overall.
Your comment reminded me of this quote…
“The spiritually immature will often pit love against obedience.” - Stephen Robinson
I agree that we shouldn't stop furthering the driving doctrine of families. My family doesn't fit the "family proclamation cookie cutter" but I still proclaim it as true. My wife and I have lost all of our children to miscarriage. I've been told I shouldn't be so gung ho about it because of that.
My dear brother, I am so sorry to hear of your losses. I cant imagine the pain, but it sounds like you have your eye firmly on the promises of the gospel and of the Temple. Hats off to you for that and stay strong. God bless!
@@stephensmith9665 I'm told my life experience should give me so much empathy for other people that don't "fit the mold". It does but not to the point that I think they should be excused for criticizing the proclamation.
I wish I had heard this before my Sunday school lesson on Korihor. I thought long and hard about that verse about women being vulnerable to him. What year was this from?
2009
@@CwicShow thank you!!
Hearing truth feels so good. Thank you.
I know what you mean!
Conflict is a blessing - articulating that it is NOT contention is beautiful
We missed the lesson of 4th Nephi. In 4 generations we can lose the blessings of knowing Christ. Do we want generational blessings or lose our way.
We gave the same answers as youth in th 90s. "The halls of heaven were hushed when the angels heard which generation we lived" we thought the church was about us and I think many missed the message of being prepared to pass the gospel beyond our "last and final" generation.
Can you give the source of your quote?
@@CwicShow the problem is that I can't, but I remember hearing it as a youth on multiple occasions. When I went to the UofU institute, finally a good instructor recalled it, asked if we had heard it before. Nearly everyone raised their. He then said no general authority ever said it and it was not true. But the essence of the message, when not kept in check can lead to problems.
This is as close as I've found. I haven't found when it was said, but it's attributed to President Monson
"You, the youth of the Church, were generals in the war in Heaven, and one day, when you are in the spirit world,
you will be enthralled by those with whom you are associated. You will ask someone in which time period they lived,
and you might hear, "I was with Moses when he parted the Red Sea," or "I helped build the pyramids," or "I fought with Captain Moroni." And as you are standing there in amazement, someone will turn to you and ask in which prophet's time period you lived. And when you say, "Howard W. Hunter" or "Gordon B. Hinckley" a hush will fall over every hall and corridor in Heaven, and all in attendance will bow at your presence. You were held back 6,000 years because you were the most talented, most obedient, most courageous and the most rightous. ARE YOU STILL?"
-President Thomas S. Monson.
@@bplionel2 that quote sounds like the one I remember. Apparantly that institute instructor, who was a substitute that day, was also in charge of something at the church that gave him authority on the subject. He made it clear that this was completely made up and was passionate about it needing to not be repeated. For good reason. My testimony was good and my ego didn't take a hit, but imagine hearing that from a puppet or a teacher, feeling all inspired, but the learning later it was false. Learning that 1) you aren't the most important in the universe and 2) that feeling was not the holy ghost testifying, but just ego-stroking excitement.
@@TheBensMeister It's definitely something to think about. I don't know if it would really happen this way, but I'm not bothered by the quote, really. I think it was said, to try to be encouraging, and put in our minds that this is the last days, when we have prophets of God, who testify of Christ, and we have great things to do now, to help people, as well as ourselves actually know Christ.
What’s sad is how not controversial it was when she said it back then. We were one year removed from California, by far the most liberal state, choosing by popular vote to not allow same sex marriage. We all probably hmmd and haaad feeling so secure in our position. It has depressed me to see how much media coverage can alter people’s views. All they had to do is call it “hate” to not agree with everything a homosexual does and 80% of people, who are purely emotional thinkers, were convinced.
On the one hand we have members who are pulling away from the Temple because it's not necessary or was established by a false prophet, Brigham Young. On the other hand we have members preaching hope and change with regards to LGBT marriage in the temple. It seems the Temple is being attacked from all sides.
I have been discussing this with my wife in a grander sense. A lot of members lean heavy one way or another, but like Greg very poignantly said, “We have to walk the edge of a sword.”
Greg, Please note that in the young men's theme, young men commit to become a "loyal husband and loving father." Though exaltation is mentioned, no reference to the rolls of wife or mother is found in the young women's theme. Is this creeping deemphasis of family rolls?
I covered this a couple of episodes ago.
Greg, this whole video could be summed up in one verse of scripture...Mosiah 3:19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
This one verse explains our very purpose to BECOME more like God and to OVERCOME our natural human tendency . This is the whole purpose of the church to help us live this verse of scripture and to BECOME a saint through the atonement of Christ and to OVERCOME the natural man.
Where does this idea come from Greg? Just finished reading the Youngwomens statement, " I will strengthen my home and family, make and keep sacred covenants, and receive the ordinances and blessings of the holy temple."
In the 1990’s my husband was always telling our kids-“the litmus test to know if something is evil is if it is against families.” My now 30 year old daughter was telling me the other day how true that litmus test turned out to be.
Too many in the Church are talking about "feelings" instead of doctrine.
I want to hear more of this in my ward. I want to see church members speaking more doctrinal truths.
Brilliant message here. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. God bless you.
Thanks Greg. This just seems like such a basic understanding of the Restored Gospel.
The Theology of the Family 🎉
Women are NOT more empathetic. They are more empathetic to other women, and to children. That empathy does not in any way extend to men.
Excellent program today. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
How about we just use “Comrade”?
Greg, if I have to sit through one more Sacrament Meeting talk about "Service" or "Unity", I'm going to approach our bishop and say, "Bishop, my soul hungers for hearing about the basic saving doctrines of the Gospel. I need to have those things to help me navigate through Babylon and cling to the Savior in a fallen world so I can achieve my goal of Exaltation." The same happens in the Second hour lessons... too much "fluff" and not enough saving doctrine and inspiration to stay on the Covenant Path. I leave my church meetings every Sunday feeling like I've just sat through a session of "Tolerance and Acceptance" or "Step up your service to others because you're not doing enough, and the need is greater than ever."
During our last Gospel Doctrine class, a question was asked about where to find Christ's doctrine. I took advantage of the opportunity to reference the doctrine contained in "The Family: A Proclamation To The World". When I mentioned it, I was surprised at how uncomfortable the teacher and others appeared, and how quickly the instructor changed the subject. It was obvious some really didn't want to go there.
Many people show up to church for positive vibes. I am like you, I want battle plans and strategies. I leave church frustrated most Sundays.
Well done! Powerful truths
Absolutely, "The main pillars of our theology are centered in and on the family when we see speak of qualifying for the blessings of eternal life we mean qualifying for the blessings of Eternal families this was Christ Doctrine and this is some of what was restored that had been lost the understanding and clarity about family." We believe in a family theology it is an order of God and stepping outside that order is pulling one away from the doctrine of exaltation.
O.k. so Satan doesn't have a family. I would say all his minions are his family. Albeit they don't have bodies.
They're not family. They're subjects. He does not love or care for their well-being. They're a means to his end..in Screwtape Letters when the jr devil fails at getting his man he's devoured instead.
@@melaneephillips8721 thing is they"think" he has their back. Therefore family. He is evil personified, got it?
It's shocking someone would claim membership in the church while thinking something so basic as the proclamation on the family is controversial
"I am not talking about 'peace at any price.'"-President Nelson. In the footnote for that statement, he also said, "Being a peacemaker does not require us to agree with the ideas or beliefs of others."
It's plan and simple.
"O God the Eternal Farther" and we are the children of God.
What else needs to be said? 9:54
Out of the all the LDS Podcasts that I follow, your is the one I enjoy the most. It’s all about doctrine with truth. All the others talk about the future and or proof of something. I don’t need proof. I want to hear truth and doctrine. ‘Ofa atu 🤙🏽
I like your discussion on justice and mercy. Like Lucifer, the evil doctrines of the world focus on “the end” and how a savior is not needed if there is neither law nor agency.
Our focus has to be on “the journey” or “progression”, which then requires mercy, atonement, a savior, and justice (I.e. responsibility to work out our salvation before God)
You are so correct. Hard to imagine that any active members could think this is acceptable. They should be disfellowshipped,that question is asked for a temple recommend. Truth is eternal
From an LDS perspective, I don't think it is wise to equate the doctrine of the family to the doctrine of Christ. I think it is more appropriate to state the doctrine of the family is the doctrine of Heavenly Father.
Why did sister Beck have to say women instead of woman when she was talking about half of the family
Why was your latest video titled stake RS president Lgbtq presentation taken down?
I am not ashamed of the gospel! The Family Proclamation is wonderful
Amen!
I was listening to the segment with my wife. We are wondering where you got your information that the church is not teaching the principle of eternal families? The Family Proclaimation is a statement of scripture taking center stage on the walls of every chapel.
Someone was released for making a comment that made people uncomfortable. I couldn’t believe it! It was a statement of truth that must be said. Will the line be drawn? Sin is still sin so why are we not standing up for righteous living and families?
I LOVE THAT- your quote, “Peace is not surrender of truth.”
What just happened to the stake relief Society video?
Teach the Doctrine of Jesus Christ and not the Doctrine of the nicolaitans !!
I encourage Australians to join Family First Party
Can youjust let us listen to her? Your getting me lost.
I love her. I also love that she mentions the leadership of Eve.
Hey! My dad served in Brazil as well with Grant Bangerter
He was actually there as the mission secretary for a good part of it when Julie Beck was baptized
My dad said President Beck left the mission office and went across the street to the church to baptize her and returned to the office soon after. Special family
I meant President Bangerter
Clear messaging is so refreshing
So let it be written; so let it be done.
Exaltation is a family affair.
Bring Beck back.
Thank you!
Amén!
I don't think the Fall was necessary for procreation until after Eve partook. She was going to be cast out, so Adam had to follow her for them to have children. So if Adam had not partaken, no kids, but if they both refused to partake they might have been able to.
They likely had the capacity.
@@CwicShow That's what I think, and if they had both refused, I think later on when they were ready God would let them partake of the fruit. We have sin in the world because we know good from evil and so are accountable, but we don't have the maturity to handle that responsibility.
@@CwicShowThey didn’t even realize they were naked prior to eating the fruit, though. So if they had the physical capability, did they have the mental capability? Doesn’t seem likely.
Also, if they COULD have had children prior to the fall, then they likely WOULD have. But only after the fall was when they “began to multiply”
So I don’t think they were able to have children until after the fall.
One result of the fall was that God would “…greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children…”
Can you link in the description, the talk by sister Beck
Yes, thank you. And here it is- ua-cam.com/video/5M0pOq-PD9U/v-deo.html
@@CwicShowthank you
Brilliant analysis!
Thank you!
The Family Proclamation has been watered down in word meaning. It loses credibility when it is no longer spoken about in fear of offending.
The temple keeps getting watered down to where it loses meaning and credibility. Also, to avoid offending.
Jesus Christ is the only stable truth that can be relied on and does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I will not be offended to know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
That byu mascot guy...what if he was an addict? Would he be flaunting his drug use while waiting for the church to change so he didn't have to? Yeah...the camel with its nose under the tent is such a great analogy here. Satan is clever and I can't believe that that mascot dude isn't aware enough to realize he is being deceived. Hey...there is more life than this blip. Get thru this and you will be rewarded beyond what you could have hoped for here. If this isn't true then I'm done existing.
The prophet needs to read aloud The Proclamation in conference.
I am going to ask our local seminary teachers if they have a copy of he family proclamation in the rooms. Great Idea.