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What Matters MOST In Any Mix: The 80/20 Rule Of Audio
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
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This week, Justin Colletti talks about the 80/20 approach to audio engineering: how to focus on the things that matter most and avoid the comforting lies that keep us from making great sounding releases.
He skewers the "Myth of A Thousand Little Choices" and offers a better mindset and a set of techniques for making sure you can make bold choices and avoid getting bogged down in the kind of minutia that just doesn't matter.
Thanks to Soundtoys, Gear Club and Mastering Demystified for sponsoring this podcast.
For the original article that inspired this conversation, click here: sonicscoop.com...
"When it comes to perfect versus done, done is always better...." Justin, you hit me square in the feels with that. I literally had to pause the video for a few moments. Thank you
Without a doubt, the best message I have heard in a long, long time. A nine out of ten!!
This is such an important topic... obsessing over insignificant details at the beginning of a mix is a quick way kill the mix and spend a lot of time going round in circles.... I think get a really good balance first without touching eq or compression is way more productive way to get closer to a good mix... I think less is more .....and it’s taken me years to come to that conclusion .... This topic is One of those things you need to keep reminding yourself
Well said, i'm arriving at this myself now after 4.5 years work!!
Principle for Life "Luxuries, they are meant to be enjoyed, not worried about." Thanks for this video!
One of the most underrated podcasts when it comes to audio!
80/20 Principle has changed my life!! for some reason didnt think about applying it onto mixing.. This resonates soo much! Thank you!!
Absolutely true. I refer to it as the hierarchy of making music. Every step in the process of making music is important and can prepare and elevate the next step, but the further along you go, the less important it becomes relatively speaking in a holistic sense. It's like a pyramid, where the bottom is the most important thing. After all that serves as the foundation for your pyramid building, and without it, it could not stand. Roughly sketching it's something like: Composition/Songwriting > Arrangement > Production > Players/Performers > Performance > Instrument > Recording (Space>Mics/Pres/etc. > Mixing > Mastering
What does production means in your terminology?
I guess it is to get musicians food and stuff, so they would perform as best as they could XD
Or is it a process of making sure the recording space is the right one / has everything you need for the session?
This is quite intuitive… If something takes a lot of effort (or time to mix), probably something else is wrong (arrangement etc…) When recording and mixing yourself this takes you out of hyperfocus and back to the drawing board (and get Sonarworks with good monitors)
Bro, I owe you tithes, cause you were PREACHIN'. All of it. I think we all get pulled into the industry from being marketed to, then we realize what's really going on. These kinds of honest videos are what the world needs for all kinds of topics. But thank you for going so deep and honest on this one.
00:17 I would lie to myself if I said I don't care about the mechanics of self-deception. This is gold. Thank you, Justin.
So much truth here. I've lost track of how many tracks never got finished because I spent too long tweaking minute details and lost interest in the tune. Even worse, it took me way too long to realize how dumb it is to work on a track on solo, with no idea how the changes interact with all the other parts. Invariably it ends up sounding worse.
+1
I have found my self in "tracking" trying different microphones, different pre amps, compressor settings, different guitars, different strings, different amps, so on and so on, looking for "That specific sound ". And I realized I have just spent 80% of my time trying to find a 20% difference. Spend 20% of your time "Pre Planning" and you will get an 80% better result.
Thanks Justin!
I love the simple bedrock priority list of importance!
1. Good Writing
2. Good Performance
3. Good Recording
4. Good Mixing
5. Good Mastering
Thank you for another great video. It’s too easy these days to get lost in the weeds, especially with the constant onslaught of amazing tools at our disposal. Not to mention, a good kick in the ass is needed from time to time. Thanks again.
- Tim
100% !! Humans by nature are not perfect, and inherent in that fact is a lesson for us. 80/20 rule all the way!
I really appreciate what you are doing. Thank you.
First video I'm watching of SonicScoop and of you Justin. Such an amount of great, valuable info. Didn't exactly know what I was gonna learn before watching the podcast, but it exceeded my expectations. I've just subscribed :) Thanks so much for sharing, this will definitely help me with the record I'm currently working on. Cheers!
You sir are a gentleman.
It's very nice to hear someone voice my exact thoughts and philosophy when it comes to "searching for Perfect". Once again great video ;)
well this video is absolute gold! thanks Justin!
you're rigth, when i was on my rock pop band a couple years ago, i was want to learn all that about found a great sound. now i been learning from guys like you and these its a dream come true. now i know why sometimes we didn't soudn so nice that we would want it. now i know the reason.
Such a great podcast Justin! A lot to learn from :) Keep it coming!
If i could recommend just one video of yours... this would be the one
It goes for anything in life. Anything.
Thaaank You so much!
Of all the videos Ive been watching lately on EQ, this is one of the 20% videos that made the 80% difference hahaha. Thanks a lot :)
Awesome to hear! Thanks much and glad to be useful.
Loved this one, Justin- thanks 👍🏼
Rant mode engaged Justin!
Loving the info, appreciate your time.
Thumbs up for the Famicom color scheme in your acoustic treatments.
Some of the best advice I have **ever** heard has come from discovering this channel.
So inspiring! Thanks Justin.
Excellent, Justin. Thank you.
thanks man! this was one of the best videos I have ever seen in youtube on sound engineering. All you said here are I need to make my work done.
I just enjoy watching this channel even I'm not in the mood of learning
Awesome to hear, thanks for stopping by! Hope to see you around more. Remember to like and subscribe to get more like this in your feed :-)
-Justin
This is one of the best mixing videos on youtube, theres a lot of crap
Such a refreshing rant! I find way too many mixing educational videos, especially from high ranking maestros, to be mere infomercials. Not your case 😉
Super thankful for this. I feel the big takeaway applies very much to live mixing, when there is very little time for conversation and decision making and the expectations are always on a deadline. Recently on a gig, i struggled to get a person playing an electronic kit's monitors right; I was feeding input into his monitor, but his channel on the board near him was too low to hear what i was changing. I had to bring everything up to dangerous levels to get him the sound that he wanted. Once that was dealt with, the gig was smooth sailing.
*it was an in-ear-monitor, so i was also concerned about making him deaf, his channel being at -30db made . a huge difference.
That loud hi-hat salt!
Just goofin' thanks for sharing all the great knowledge!
excellent topic this 80/20. just started to learn mixing and right away, heres a lesson that i can relate to. and so, now i will change this very ergonomically uncomfortable stupid
guitar chair :)
bruv i needed to hear this. i must be on the right track cuz i got aloot of this down in the past years. big ups my man
Justin Colletti has so much awesome knowledge.. 🙏
I so needed this video. I will re-watch it. I've spent so much time wiggling eq knobs. As engineers we get so caught up in the minutiae and forget to zoom out.
your eloquence and grammar are amazing. you are a great writer.
Thanks for the podcast Justin. I've saving this as one of my favorites so far. Ï've really struggled in several of these areas and have several projects that I've put aside because of it.
We know the feeling! Keep at it, keep on making music, and keep focusing on what really matters.
Man, this is some straight audio engineering philosophy right here. Much thanks.
Yes, Yes, Yes always take breaks, ear fatigue sets in very quickly
Great show, extremely helpful tips, two thumbs up.
So glad it was helpful! Hope you enjoy some more episodes too :-)
-Justin
@@SonicScoop I definitely will, and if I could pick your brain real quick, what would be the best method to remove transients and maintain the shine, saturation, tape, or something else.
Awesome channel!! Will be subscribing!
i agreed when this video first started playing, because i saw where you were going. and the best way i usually say it is to say that Slash will sound _amazing_ even on a cheap guitar. i'm pretty sure no one will disagree with that. he does the best with what he has, as you said you would do if you could not choose which preamps you were using. just imagine it tho, Slash sitting with your group on the beach in front of a fire, sipping a beer. then, following the discussion, he asks if anyone has a guitar.. and someone hands him an LTD or a Squire. he will still rip on that guitar and remind us of when we were kids listening to AFD.
Fantastic! Thanks Justin! 👍
Coherence matters most
This is so true
I’m taking a management class right now and my professor taught us the 80/20 rule about 2 days ago. I think the universe is trying to tell me something
"we often do our best mixing when we are not mixing" yes
KEY insight!
Wow! Very impactful info and opinion here. Thank you.
Very interesting intellectual perspective you have upon music, sir. Awesome mindset you share with the world
This idea allows one to just jump into flow state that much more confidently and quicker without worrying so much about every detail IMO
This man is doing GOD'S WORK!!
Just from his PHILOSOPHY, I want him to master ALL MY STUFF!!
I'm loving this channel.
Good stuff, Justin.
As always, thank you for this! Can’t get enough of these videos. Had to sub to the Patreon to show my appreciation 🙏🏼
Wow this was an amazing talk!
This video is pure gold :)
It's true, you can layer things up in incremental stages, and still be piling stuff onto a poorly constructed composition and or source.
I'm mixing a whole album I recorded myself right now and it's the biggest project I've worked on yet.
It's sounding good but there's just something about every mix I can't quite put my finger on. It's tempting to believe there's some special combination of tiny, calculated adjustments that will make it sound professional and if I keep tinkering forever I'll find it. But I'm coming to the realization that it has more to do with decisions I made in the tracking. Can't change that now but I look forward to applying that knowledge to my next project.
Sometimes getting one track mastered by an outside mastering engineer can help put the whole project into perspective, and help you glean some insights about what 20% (or less) of the mix to revisit... if any.
And sometimes that last 20% of quality that comes from a good master is all you need to confidently put the project to bed, move on and apply your lessons to the next one.
Hope that helps!
-Justin
@@SonicScoop
That's a great idea! I may do just that.
It's just something that comes from experience, good monitoring and a combination of arrangement and performance. If you listen to the individual tracks from many famous records, you'll hear that the sounds of each track isn't always perfect. Check out the sessions for "You Oughta Know" by Alanis Morissete. The mic's blown out in the vocal, the bass sounds plunky, the guitars sound like scratch tracks with a 57 on a practice amp and the drum loop is low quality and not quantized. But the sun if the whole is brilliant.
Great information Justin... much appreciated. Thank you
True words. My equipment (especially all my plugins) prevent me from having the creative output I should have. It's a pitty. I love to have all these choices, but they are in the way to do more songs.
great video, you got 1 new subscriber
So much good information. As someone thats just getting into mixing I truly appreciate the blatant honestly.
Thank you Clark Kent.
I truly adore your attitude to hi-hat;)
so powerful ❤
So glad it was useful HLEET! Thanks so much for tuning in.
-Justin
Great podcast !
I enjoyed your podcast.
The takeaway I’m getting is to be willing to make bold choices
Making lots of small tweaks and hoping it adds up to something good may still produce something undesirable
Seems also that eliminating harsh frequencies is important. As a music fan I listen to songs on repeat. So now that I’m learning mixing I mostly want to have songs that I can listen to on repeat and not have harsh or annoying parts
Is this a podcast!Already hooked 1 min in.
Benji Status It is! You can subscribe on iTunes or wherever else you get your podcasts.
great talk, thank you
This is A Very Good "Advice Video" For Beginners, so listen closely, ignore the promo adds for this plug in or that plugin, this is how he can afford to give you the good advice you are receiving, and he is giving very good advice.
This is a great video thanks, very helpful. Everyone knows the guitar solo should always be the loudest thing in any track ;-)
Awesome!!!
Just discovered your channel a couple days ago-- loving it! Great advice, great tips-- thanks, holmes!
Thank you! Glad to have you with us @Emma Loo and Sam!
This channel deserves WAY more subs. I learn a ton from every video... it’s just really hard putting everything together at my level.
thank you
great video!!!!
Great, great, great podcast
Awesome podcast! Always a pleasure to view your podcasts.... what made you or why did you decide to get into mastering?
Best rant i've seen on youtube, nailed it! One step towards less dumpster music.
I liked the real world examples and the music forums reference, there's a lot of crap been said in the web.
Really helpful thanks a lot
Most import thing is ( balance and experience ) with stock plugins ........ Not the audio gear .l
They both have their place, BUT the '1000 tiny choices' only matters AFTER you've nailed down the first 80%.
True. But getting the order right is paramount. It doesn’t really work the other way around.
Not if that 20% is total project budget as the 80% needs to go to supporting the other steps. So it depends on how you think about it. The goal isn't perfection but support of others' work that adds up in total to greatness.
Micro-mixing... its a rabbit whole.
Since forum talk is mentioned in the vid, i'd like to say that going from 95% to 96% maybe a big deal when you're passionate about it but buying a 6k piece of gear to go from 50% to 51% is stupid/worthless. Also some times instead of + 1% you get -1% and that other 4k piece is doing the trick... But when someone praises something in a forum ppl in general don't have in mind the diminishing returns for that matter so they end up having delusions about gear.
As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Those are interesting diffusers.
GIK Acoustics make them.
-Justin
If you like this check out Justin’s Mixing Breakthroughs course. It was a game changer for me. Nice work JC 😀
I wonder who is that best mastering engineer, any ideas?
This is almost like genetics and what the best way to deal with a polygenic issue might be.
The polygenic issue is the thousand little choices. The Pareto thing comes in with the 80:20 thing of fixing 80% of the issues that crop up by fixing 20% of the major issues in the environment.
💘
This video has come along at the perfect time for me! I only do acoustic & vocals, singer/songwriter stuff, and so many times have worried about which reverb should I use? How much? which compressor? should I even compress? Stereo widener or not? Intead of thinking about does the song actually sound good? Is the acoustic balanced with the vocal? Cheers!
what...you didn't like the hi-hat solo??!!
hahaha I just watch that
I needed to hear this lol
Thanks 💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so much. I love your approach and message.
80/20 reminds me of a book I just read, ‘Essentialism’... do I see that book behind you? Looks like the cover.:)
The best!
I heard Bob Power say he knows heavy-duty mixers who mix on inexpensive, prosumer grade monitors. He basically said knowing your monitors is just as/more important than what the monitors actually are. If that’s the case, Can I hone my ear on HS8s and then go make commercially distributable pop music?
Is that how that works or am I tryna win the Daytona 500 n a Sentra?
Btw, Justin, I appreciate u so much. You don’t know how helpful it is to have a professional, working Mix/Mastering engineer to just listen to.
I’m a musician who’s trying to become a halfway decent engineer and I’m consistently blown away at how much I don’t know about this stuff. Guys like you, guys at Mix Con, Mix With The Masters, etc. are invaluable.
What are some of your "10 outta 10" records, in context of the mix?