In defense of Salvation's Future War, it made sense that it wasn't the Cameron vision of the war because this was delayed Judgement Day affected by the Connors sending back the T-800 and T-850
The thing about the writers of salvation is, they had a trilogy planned. Alot of people criticise salvation for not being the same future war that was shown in T1 and T2. But the writers had planned that salvation was going to be the future war but pre plasma technology, and you can see this if you acknowledge the fact that Arnies T800 doesnt show up until the very end of the movie. The sequels that were planned would show more battles at night, with armies of T800s marching across the battlefield with their iconic plasma rifles . The sequels were ment to build this up, and the trilogy ending with the resistance winning the war and sending Reece back to 1984 and a reprogrammed T800 to 1992, bringing the entire franchise full circle. Which would have been awesome to see. But instead we get dark fate 😥 which ruins the franchise . Killing john Connor makes all the previous films pointless (including T1 and T2 )
Well, McG was such a bad director! The sets of Salvation didn't look like the sets of the future war in T1. And the only good part in Salvation was Marcus's story, from the beginning until he met John, which had already been written before McG was hired.
The reason why they used machine guns with bullets is because Skynet had not developed plasma based weapons yet in this time period. The other 2 movies that were not made were going to show all this as it got closer to 2029. The story was going to be darker and darker until the third movie like shown in the original Terminator movie. Unfortunately we will never see how it was going to end. I believe that the reason why a lot of people had a problem with it is because Arnold Schwarzenegger was not in the movie. I don't find him essential to the series after the first 3 because it is not truly about him. It is about Skynet vs the resistance.
Salvation should have been set deeper in the future so we could have an army of T800s and lasers. That's the future war I want to see. The reason this was set so early in the war, is because they have to try and make a trilogy so held off on the stuff we really want to see. They should have given us one balls to the walls future war movie instead of hedging bets for future sequels
The complaint about it taking place during the day, as well as the lack of laser weapons, aren't that important or valid in my view. The film isn't set in 2029 as we saw during the flashbacks of T1 and T2. This is an earlier time period of 2018, and as we can clearly see with the Terminators themselves (the T600 models instead of the T800s) technology is still developing, and that would include laser weaponry. If a sequel had been made, obviously we would time skip to a later point closer to 2029 in which laser weapons had been developed, they could then also explain that Skynet's improved technology now made it impossible to survive during the day, forcing them to travel at night. These are all problems that are easy to explain away, so I'm not sure why this complaint still persists. I think it's ill-advised to start off a future trilogy and have everything in the night right away, it was smart to have elements in there that the audience is familiar with to keep the story somewhat grounded. After general audiences had taken that first step and been acclimated to the future setting, then they're ready for the next step: introducing them to a darker version of that world. It's all about creating a smooth transition from past movies.
So true. I agree it was a very underrated movie. I was very much looking forward to the next 2 movies that were supposed to come out continuing this timeline.
It wasn't a mess. The only thing wrong with it was that it was too focused on Marcus Wright. Dark Fate is what you call a mess. John Connor gets replaced by Dora the explorer.
Movie should have been about John Connor and the resistance vs skynet and the terminators. The fans wanted to see the resistance battling terminators. Why the fuck would anyone want a future war story where John Connor is a side character ? Youre probably a dark fate fan too. You probably also like dark fate because its about Dani Ramos instead of John Connor. Same as resistance was about Marcus Wright instead of John Connor.
I respectfully don't understand why everyone wants to see Kyle get sent back. I want a future war movie, but I don't want it to be framed where I already know the ending. They could go deeper into the future, show us things we haven't seen. Kyle said we won the war, but he was obviously wrong because of T2. The war still went on. They could show us this time period instead of the parts of the war where we know what happens. I want to see the future wars, the way Cameron showed us in the opening of T2. I want the opening of Saving Private Ryan meets the opening of T2.
@@faz6877 I think you could combine the two ideas myself; show Kyle Reese being sent back early or midway through and then follow the resistance for the rest of it. That would satisfy most fans and also tie up some loose ends
@@faz6877 *faz wrote: "Kyle said we won the war, but he was obviously wrong because of T2. The war still went on."* Not necessarily. According to a 1990 draft of T2's script, the older John Connor sent the reprogrammed T-800 back right after he sent Kyle, which suggests the first T-800 and the T-1000 had both gone through the Time Displacement Equipment already, rather than the T-1000 being sent back on a later date. www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t2omit05.html
*Nelo Wolf wrote: "If only we got the second and third sequels leading to the assault on Colorado and kyle Reese going back in time. Full circle"* Terminator Salvation can't circle back neatly to the events of the first film, because the future shown in Salvation isn't the same as the one Michael Biehn's Kyle came from. Judgment Day occurred in 2003/4 in this new timeline, as opposed to 1997 in Biehn Kyle's timeline. And T-800s were being developed years ahead of schedule in the new timeline, suggesting that Skynet's technology was advancing more rapidly. Given all these changes, there's no way the precise events which led to John's conception could be perfectly reproduced, and they clearly don't need to be in order for this version of John to exist. He exists, not as a consequence of anything that can or will happen in his future, but as a consequence of events that occurred in a different future, in a different timeline. That timeline either no longer exists, or exists separately from the timeline he's in. If this version of John were to send Yelchin Kyle back to 1984, he wouldn't be ensuring his own conception. He'd (at best) be ensuring the conception of a different John, in a different timeline. And maybe not even that, because there's no way he could be sure that Kyle and Sarah would conceive a male child, or conceive at all, without perfectly recreating the events of the original film, which just isn't possible from the timeline he's in.
It had a great idea and explored an interesting concept regarding the creation of cyborg T-800s. It has aged like a fine wine compared to modern Terminator films.
As we know this movie was supposed to be a trilogy so saying that salvation was set in 2018 where skynet just started it's production run of the terminators T-600 while they announced the T-800 at the beginning of the film and showed it at the end of the film, this movie was going into the future into "2029" if had the other films completed it, sadly that didn't happen so we never got to see full development, but we would have seen James Cameron's gloomy dusty future war with laser weapons and a battalion of T-800's shrouded in darkness, Nobody ever mentions this not even Mr. H sad! PS there was no laser weapons in salvation because it was set in 2018 not 2029! Just remember the script was supposed to develop further for that to occur.
I loved this film so much and it still makes me sad that people say those points are continuity errors. I thought it was well established that this was before Skynet had everyone underground and using future weapons and whatnot. Glad to see someone else feels the same way.
it felt like the war was only just really starting at that point. Apart from skynets technology, it wasn't over the top flashy and futuristic. Most advanced technology would be destroyed or taken over by skynet early on in the war and not yet developed by it fully for mass production, so more of a even war. Skynet had deadlier better tech but not enough to wipe humanity out yet, the resistance wasn't yet coordinated it had more of a individual survivalist attitude. But may have Still had the resources left to actually stop skynets expansion it it's tracks, they just didn't have the leadership yet.
No should've ended after T3 rise of the machines as this movie didn't get the future war setting right of T1 T2 and even T3 and no real arnie and they should've kept Nick sthal and Clare danes as John and Kate Conner wanted them to come back.
Salvation may have its flaws, Bale might not be the perfect actor to play John Connor, but I would still prefer this movie over Genisys, or worse Dark Fate.
I really like this movie. The giant robot collector was amazing, the CGI for it was really good too, considering I don't think that would be a practical effect. The Terminators were done very well too though. Especially the one with the minigun where Kyle Reese pops up first. The movie actually felt like humanity was actually at an end. Basic story line which was fine with me, a little twist in it. Just straight action and a terminator movie theme done pretty well in my opinion. You cant just throw original cast members into the movie and expect it to be amazing. This one did so much more with an entirely fresh cast and that's hard to accomplish. Terminator is just that dead of a franchise that I was open to accepting new faces, if the movie was good.
I respect your opinion, for me that giant robot thing didn't belong in this universe. I watch T1 and T2 (which depicts deeper into the future) and I have a sense of the types of robots Skynet is capable of producing. They could have used a take on an HK-Tank, but the giant CGI robot looks like something out of Transformers or Robot Jox. T1 and even T2 have this dark tone. I felt Salvation was closer to the tone of Transformers than Terminator. I give them credit for going into the future, I just wish it was better executed.
@@faz6877 I can definitely see what you mean. They did do a good job on SkyNet's base. The defensive measures felt very terminator to me. Someone needs to execute a war movie for terminator. The HK's are barely shown and they are so bad ass. It just feels like a lot of the lore is left out. Need a LOTR style Terminator trilogy done well. Same with Predator.
@@toxicmatrix1337 : Sadly the last Predator and Terminator movies ensured us we won't see anything new soon lol. And both movies tried to rewrite the roots of the franchise, rather than build or expand. I agree, I loved the HK Tanks! You absolutely need those treads going over skulls. I love the designs because they are badass yet basic. Like Ed209 in Robocop. Yeah I think there is so much potential story to tell. And I mean the character stuff. Living and fighting in a dystopian hellscape. And one big thing, they need to double down on the blood and violence. Terminator has become a watered down adventure franchise. Give the franchise it's balls back. I know gore has never been a cornerstone of the franchise, but take It to where the opening of Saving Private Ryan went. Of course make the main focus on the characters, but don't be afraid to show the hell that these people live in. The rats, the nasty food, the broken TV's with fire. One thing that gets me about Salvation is how good looking everyone is lol. Moon Bloodgood was not a believable soldier. Nice to know she has the resources in the future war to make herself look like that!
The first 4 movies of this franchise can be watched and enjoyed. nothing is harmed or damaged to the timeline or story of the Terminator series, you can even add to that The Sarah Connor Chronicles as well. T5 was the begining of the end of the framchise. in fact the movie would have been a good addition if it didnt screw John Connor. T6 decided to take it one step further and fuck John Connor completely and end him for good. Watch T1 to T4, sure T3 and T4 was lesser movies, but at least it shows a progression of the Terminator story. T5 and T6 does not exist. Its a nightmare. in the end woke and a Mexican brought down a billion dollar franchase, Skynet and John Connor. i choose to not believe this.
The thing about the writers of salvation is, they had a trilogy planned. Alot of people criticise salvation for not being the same future war that was shown in T1 and T2. But the writers had planned that salvation was going to be the future war but pre plasma technology, and you can see this if you acknowledge the fact that Arnies T800 doesnt show up until the very end of the movie. The sequels that were planned would show more battles at night, with armies of T800s marching across the battlefield with their iconic plasma rifles . The sequels were ment to build this up, and the trilogy ending with the resistance winning the war and sending Reece back to 1984 and a reprogrammed T800 to 1992, bringing the entire franchise full circle. Which would have been awesome to see. But instead we get dark fate 😥 which ruins the franchise . Killing john Connor makes all the previous films pointless (including T1 and T2 )
I personally wouldn't say there were continuity errors with the use of bullet weapons, I'd say it would kinda make sense since Skynet was still growing and developing. You could see the strives into plasma tech with the projectiles used on the HK's IMO. And with humanity still being around during the daytime and essentially having an airbase in the open where they operated is okay even if a bit iffy but that just means that Skynet was still working on getting total control over the earth but that's just me. Still love your vids
I always enjoyed this movie. The thing about Salvation was it was supposed to be the first film in a trilogy of Future War movies. A lot of people had trouble with how this movie did not resemble the Future War shown in T1 and T2 (no plasma weapons, too much daylight, etc.), but again, this movie is about the early stages of the war. I rather liked seeing the T-600, and thought Christian Bale made a good John Connor. One of the biggest flaws of this movie though, is that John isn't the main character - it's Marcus Wright, which in my opinion was an error on the director's part. John plays more of a supporting role in this film. I would have much rather the film be all about John stepping up and becoming the leader he's destined to be. The end battle with the T-800 is amazing in this film, I'm glad they made the T-800 menacing once more. Such a shame though we didn't get the other two sequels to this movie. What could have been...
It's like you read my mind. Couldn't agree more! I'll also add that Genysis' fight with the T800 endoskeleton was worse looking than Salvation's. When they burn off its skin in this film you can see the charred remains left on the Endoskeleton, but in Genysis the skeleton is totally clean and shiny like it's just come out of the factory. No attention to detail in that film.
John was rising up and becoming a commander after his Sargent died in the submarine, You failed to mention that, "HE WAS ACTUALLY STEPPING UP TO BECOME A LEADER" John also was grouping the residence fighters over the radio. This is his character development, the movie had character development for both Marcus and John it showed John a lot he was in a lot of scenes he had to be for the writers to develop his character and uprising as a leader it was the first movie trying to establish his character development mind you this was supposed to be a trilogy I think they delivered pretty good. Marcus was a support character for the story he was equally important as John to develop the criteria needed for plot development. I honestly loved both the roles of both characters. The second movie would have been John as the main character but it just didn't get the chance! So you can't complain about this movie because it was supposed to be a trilogy because it wasn't even finished 😂😂😂😂 It's a big piece of the puzzle missing from the rest of the pieces that's why this movie was the way it was it was creating a universe to better explain the rest of the pieces.
It's still the best sequel since T2. It at least did something different and tried to evolve the series. It just focused on a character no one cared about too much and was a bit too far removed from the aesthetic of the future war we had seen in the Cameron films.
I think the reason why they don’t have plasma rifles yet was because it took place in 2018 a good 11 years before 2029. I still like the movie as a whole though.
I actually enjoyed Terminator: Salvation. It's the ONLY Terminator film to actually take place in an apocalyptic world. T1, T2, & T3 had a lot of talk about how John will grow up to be this amazing hero of humanity. Even the Sarah Connor Chronicles had a lot of talk. We never really get to see John in action. Until THIS film. The ONLY film. Yeah, there wasn't futuristic lasers yet and all that. But this was an early apocalyptic world. The T-800 model 101 Terminator wasn't even supposed to be around yet. In the story, it was made years before it's time. Maybe lasers weren't supposed to be around just yet either. After Salvation, the franchise just went dramatically down hill. Genisys completely forgot that all the prior Terminator movies and show were supposed to be about John Connor. Arnold may always be the star. But John is ultimately the hero. Genisys pooped on that and went in a random direction. A direction that wasn't even original, I might add. What do I mean? Well, both Genisys and Dark Fate decided to CGI a young Arnold Terminator. Salvation beat them to the punch on that. In addition, Genisys did a little bit of time hopping. They time travel from one point in history to a later point in history to escape a Terminator. Guess what. The Sarah Connor Chronicles did the EXACT same thing in their pilot series. Negative points for Genisys's initiative for unoriginal ideas. Plus, Genisys killed off John Connor right off the bat in the beginning of the film. The new Terminator taking on John's image. The face for humanity's hope is now the face of a Terminator. Not cool. Not entirely different than what Dark Fate did. Also killing John right off the bat. Both Genisys and Dark Fate make all the former Terminator movies and series obsolete. Pointless and all for not. Nothing anyone ever did in the former films would make a positive difference in the future thanks to Genisys and Dark Fate. Most people accept T1 and T2 as canon for the Terminator franchise. But as far as sequels go, at least Rise of the Machines and Salvation acknowledged the importance of John Connor. And that is a critical piece of information. Mandatory if you wanna make a Terminator story, in my opinion. -OG
I agree on the fact this franchise needs to go in the future wars, and give credit to Salvation for trying. But I can't give them many points for execution. Yeah we saw John Conner, and he was played by an amazing actor. But he was a one note action hero with little depth. They did a disservice to the character. Bale could have done some amazing things! We should have got a real war movie. For me the future wars are what we saw at the opening of T2. The future of Salvation feels so watered down, both in tone and violence. I mean you have that sub plot with that deaf kid that's clearly just put in there to appeal to the masses, much like the whole movie. I've waited since 1984 to see Skynet, and in Salvation it's basically guarded by one CGI T800. That place should be crawling with machines! They don't even have the common sense to use the actual Terminator theme until the end credits. You know the director doesn't give a shit when they try to throw out all the old themes and scores, which would have been an easy way to create a similar atmosphere to the first two. But feels like McG really didn't care. Like every director since Cameron, it's not about honoring what has come before, it's about trying to create something for themselves off the Terminator name and parlay into a trilogy.
@@faz6877 Yes, I agree. Salvation had a lot of problems. The Terminator/human hybrid Marcus was just weird. And Skynet in communication with future Skynet to try and win the war was also weird. I think just keeping things plain and as basic and simplistic as possible is a much better way to go. Playing with the intricacies of time travel shouldn't be an emphasis in a Terminator movie. Is there time travel in Terminator films? Yes. But it's not about time travel. You're gonna lose your audience when you focus on something like that. This isn't Star Trek where you can explain things with techno babble. It seems like every Terminator sequel since Judgment Day has just been missing the mark as to where it should go. And as much as one can criticize this film, they keep putting out more that's even worse than its preceding film. Which, ironically, makes Salvation actually look better and better each time. Lol. -OG
@@suproliver : I completely agree with you. A lot of these film makers miss the point and don't understand why T1 & T2 are so loved. The nerve to think they can use time travel to go back and erase the franchise lore. As long as we have CGI crashing into each other......that's why fans like Terminator right? So yeah, I Salvation hurts because I see so much potential. And give credit for going in the logical direction. But Genysis and DF are slaps in the face to the franchise. I certainly hold Salvation in much higher regard than those sequels.
Same here Oliver it was a great film and was under rated. I loved it so much! Its my favorite one next to T-1&T-2, Genisis and dark fate was trash and doesn't count in my opinion as a TRUE sequel.
@@rachelanderson5619 if you like games, I know Me. h didn't really care for Terminator resistance but in my opinion this game could be a spiritual sequal to Terminator salvation. The story is much better than the average gamer will give it credit for and the game itself is loyal to it's source material T1 and T2 and it has laser weapons. AHKs and GHKs and T 800 that look exactly like from the movie. I tell most Terminatortor fans to give it a chance.
True but it was a good movie non the less, there's material in salvation that could be considered R rating either way it was extremely violent especially since john got stabbed through the heart by a T-800, which doesn't seem very child friendly. Let's just say it was wrongly rated.
I own it on Blu-Ray. It is great on it's own, but they made a mistake to not make it the end of trilogy, where John Connor must send Kyle Reese to save his mother.
Well salvation was ment to be a first in a trilogy. The writers had planned to building up to plasma technology being developed by skynet and this the future war we see in T1 and T2
@@thespiken yeah, they wa ted to end the trilogy with the resistence sending back Kyle Reece and reprogrammed t800 , bringing all 5 films full circle . Which I think would have been amazing
I liked it, I got to see John not die and grown up and try to live a life with the overhead stress and pressure of knowing the future and saving the world.
Salvation was not that bad. At least it tried to deviate from the formula unlike the other sequels. My main beef, was Christian Bale trying to sound like the Batman for this entire movie, and nearly ruined it for me. When I consider Dark Fate...potentially the biggest bait & switch in film history... Genisys wasn't even *that* bad. Both Salvation & Genisys opened up the door for growth. Too bad they all tanked & we never got the *real* future war.
The aesthetics never bothered me, Salvation took place eleven years before the future war scenes from the first movie so I think it's fair to say the plasma rifles haven't been invented yet (though I would have still liked to see some prototypes show up during the fight with the T-800), and the daytime scenes could be explained by Skynet not yet having sufficient numbers of HKs to make daytime movement as dangerous as Kyle said it was.
I really don't get the continuity issue. This movie is set in 2018, 11 years before the lazer gun scenes we see in T1 and T2. That means the lazers pobably haven't been invented yet, so what's the problem? Also it is stated that this is not the exact same future we saw. Changes were made to the time line in T2, so I don't see the issue.
Thank you for this. Given how poorly the latest outing turned out, I've been on the fence concerning giving this one another go. I watched it the one time during it's theatrical run and I'm convinced to give it a rewatch. Certainly can't be worse than Genisys.
tseng9 Give it a rewatch. I think you’ll like it, and definitely a step up compared to Genesys lol. It has a great look, good acting and it’s not another typical terminator chase movie.
Damn.. good for you man. I respect that. I liked it too. But I did really like the action in T3. It sucks every movie after T2 seemed like a confusing mess
Just finished rewatching T1 to Terminator Salvation. Honestly T3 and Salvation where not that bad movies. Where they good as T2? Hell no but honestly you could not recapture T2. Could we had something better? Yes but honestly we could have gotten a lot worse. We can see that with Genisys and Dark Fate.
I liked Salvation a lot. It was far from perfect, with some miscasting and a bloated third act, but it did something new, and I found it consistently entertaining with solid VFX. Not a great film, but a very good film, and certainly the best out the post-T2 bunch. Compared to Dark Fate it's a fucking masterpiece!
Terminator salvation was way better than most of the rest terminator movies. It is only worse than T1 and T2. All the rest films in the franchise are utter bullshit. Shame we didn't get to see any salvation sequel...
4 sequels, 2 failed reboots, and 1 cancelled show. Off all these we can at least say Salvation at least tried. It tried to not be a carbon copy of Terminator 2 (looks at Dark Fate)
I really enjoyed this film glad to see i'm not the only one, its was decent but i hope somewhere down the line we get another terminator movie set in the future again.
I didnt care much for this film when it was released. Although now looking back I have gained a lot of respect for it for actually doing something different. Set in future, no time travel. Yeah I kinda like it.
The first time I saw the Future War flashbacks in the Terminator movie I said I want to see that as a movie. I liked Salvation for the attempt and I'd still like to see them try again, all be it with John Connor, instead of another time travel retread.
Ever since I saw Kyle's future war flashback scenes in T1 I wanted to see more of the post apocalyptic struggle of man vs machine. Salvation gave us a taste of that, so that was a plus in its favour (in my books, anyway).
terminator salvation was pretty decent and a natural continuation to the story from T2 , i think they should have focused more on futur wars than recycling the same old story .
I liked how the movie tried introducing the I series of infiltrator models. The Marcus prototype was an I-xxx infiltrator, something we had only ever read about in comics. And I liked that the series was getting some Hollywood love.
After watching dark fate and enduring genesis. I think this film is somewhat decent. My only real issues with this film is it's not the future war envisioned in the first 2 films. Like the idea of the resistance having air superiority and the fact they have nuclear subs still hanging around. And no purple lazers!
Did not blow me away, but I didn't hate it either. I honestly had a greater appreciation for Salvation since the movie took us to the future as opposed to the usual retread of every other movie in the franchise, as well as made the T-800 scary again. There were issues, of course, such as the movie taking place in daylight much of the time as opposed to how the war was presented in T1 and T2. Still, while it could've been so much more, I didn't hate it.
Salvation is my favorite alongside the first movie. I loved the bleak early war feel of it. I loved that there were no lasers. Also! The detail that only 90’s music plays, even on the trailers, is a great attention to detail.
The problem I had was why did Conner not remember ANYTHING about the later t-800 series, or Skynet's abilities from his experience in the earlier films. He had his mother's tapes, knows his own history including who his future father is going to be, but why does he not recognize what was happening in that underground lab with the human tissue experiments?
I've also never truly hated salvation. It had lots of likeable elements to it. At the time, I actually liked the CG Arnold, albeit now it doesn't really hold up. But the animatronics, the aestetics, the feel of dread, lots of it wasn't all that bad. Imagine if it only took place during the cover of night, it would have worked wonders just that alone.. Along with a few re-casts..
I always liked this movie, except for the end. it would've taken no time at all to establish that marcus wright was type-o negative and thus, a universal donor. they could've done it at the very beginning in the prison but, they didn't and then the end of the movie doesn't make any sense. granted, organ donation and transplants are a very complicated process but it could've helped to maintain the suspension of disbelief.
Totally hit the nail, Mr. H. Most of the movie taking place during the day killed it regarldless of the fact that we "finally" got a Terminator movie in the future. Also, them planning it as part 1 of a trilogy as they have continued to do so was such a wasted opportunity, had they just jumped into the future we all knew and wanted. Plus making it PG13 really scaled down the action/thrill ellement the series always had. Unfortunate.
I'm not sure if I like the movie, but the latest installments in the series definitely made me appreciate it more. I really enjoys these segments, please do more:)
The issue with the terminator films is every film after T2 is trying to outdo it by copying it. Sometimes bigger isn't better. If there had to be a T3 they should have either made it real dark and gritty set in the future war or made it more like the first being a slow paced survival action horror film. I would even go as far as to say sarah and john stopped judgement day and that story is done. Just set it in 2030 and have the terminators appear in present day not using the time machine. The story should have been about how machines help us but have come weaponized like most things do. The terminators in this new future are man made and are used in human wars. Have man be the start of a new war using terminators not skynet... I honestly thought dark fate would be like this
OOOh, got my tea, and now a surprise Mr H video! Yah! While I ultimately say it missed the mark, I liked Salvation more than I disliked it, and I was expecting 1 or 2 sequels that went into that lazer future war we all want (that I am getting a reasonable taste of in Terminator Resistance). Worthington worked for me, and Bale was ok, when I could ignore the drop in voice register. My biggest problem was the tone or color palette was wrong for a Terminator film.
Anyone else think Bale was justified in his rant? He didn't just start yelling at some guy on set. Someone was walking around adjusting lights durring a take. From what I gather, somebody who knew better.
Just play terminator resistance as it's probably as good as we will ever get. If you do play it set it to hard or extreme as then the terminators will be deadly.
Mess? well to me it will stand for the Last truly good Terminator film that this damn world of ours will ever get and sadly the last attempt for a proper Future War series till we get a hero from the future such Kyle reese to give us that saga just to give full circle to this epic series i do fucking LOVE SALVATION The Most Under rated Terminator film and appreciate it for not Shotgun Blasting my Heart like fuckin dark fate and Genysis did i honestly can say that i love T1 & T SALVATION the best
I think you missed some of the point of this movie. It was not to show the future war that we glimpsed in T1 and T2. It was to show the *start* of that war. So, humans are still learning about Terminators. The humans also don't go around at night. Any following movies that were planned were gonna show this progression, until we got a full movie of the future war. Sadly, this did not happen and the trash that was Genesys and Dark Fate happened
Salvation is probably the best and most underrated entry after T2. It is flawed but I admire its passion to deliver the future war, it didn’t look like Cameron’s war but it is set in 2018 where sky net hadn’t reached the technical proficiency as seen in 2029. Maybe if McG got to make a follow up they would’ve shown how sky net evolved and how the resistance changed battle strategies. The problem with salvation comes primarily from two things. 1. Sam Worthington’s character Marcus was unnecessary, why send Marcus to find Kyle Reese only to use him to lure John Connor into a deathtrap at a sky net facility, sky net knew that Reese was connors father. It’s pretty silly. 2. The film lacked an R-Rating and as a result the terminators didn’t have much of a threat presence as they should have. Other than That I enjoyed it ok. 3/5
They should make a Terminator movie about a robot going back in time to protect someone that’s important in the future, but here’s the kicker, a protector is also sent back to keep that person safe. We’ve never seen that.... ................
TS wasn't a mess and deserved a sequel at least for its unique approach to the franchise, which is certainly more than can be said for the way they eventually did go. It's far from perfect of course, and the movie does kind of lack the heroism of who to route for that made the first 2 movies so good, but at least TS left a clear path to follow that would've led to the war that inevitably came and added another layer to the franchise, instead of the rehash they ended up doing that would sadly ruin it all.
For me that clear path for the next movie is not necessarily a compliment. I watch T1 and T2 and they have closed endings. I feel the Salvation ending is just a set up / cash grab for the trilogy. It's a non ending. It's basically John Conner telling everyone to tune in next week for the next adventure. Personally the movie they tease at the end of Salvation is the movie I want. I want to see the actual war depicted in the opening of T2. I think making Salvation a trilogy, the years it takes place, the ending......none of it has to do with story. It's all about setting things up for a trilogy so the studio can make more money. And they don't respect the fans enough to give us one solid movie before they set things up for 2 additional sequels (which never come). They didn't even use the Terminator theme in Salvation until the end credits. Salvation was clearly not made by a Terminator fan.
No laser guns? What are you, 5 years old? They Didn’t get the laser weapons until they raided one of Skynet’s Armament complexes, and THEN they got the “Laser guns”! Not all units had laser weapons. Nor were they there all the time. In the beginning, there were only prototypes!
Terminator: Salvation is the type of Terminator film I wanted to see after Rise of the Machines (a film in all its flaws has an ending that works). I’m on board with the first two acts, but it’s the third act that falls apart. I don’t even hate the day time stuff plus, this seemed about 15 years into the war and during that time period maybe they hadn’t decided to go out at night….that continuity error didn’t bother me. What did bother me was the heavy focus saving Reece as a teen half of the movie. I would have preferred the third act not focus on that so much building a relationship between John and Kyle and use Sam Worthington’s character as the base for human terminators for both humans and the machines. I also liked how the film wasn’t a time travel movie. There was a lot to enjoy here.
T1, T2, T:S, rest of them are unholy trinity of parodies that can die in nuclear crater. I like idea of building further upon Salvation, future war maybe?
Thought T:Salvation was a really good film tbh. Like all sequels, it has faults, but far exceeded expectations. McG actually done an excellent job considering the limitations of the script.
That is a spot on assessment about the aesthetics of the film. It's largely why I didn't care for this movie, it just ignored everything that was set up in the original movie. I mean they had the template right there and just ignored it. For the record I'm not some stickler for continuity and minute detail, it's just that the overall look of the future in the original movie was much better than this one. It felt more oppressive, hopeless and terrifying. Salvation is bright and gaudy, more interested in it's set pieces and explosions to a point where you could swear it was directed by Michael Bay.
I think if it had a bigger mix of day and night time fighting less focus on Marcus (more on the Resistance as a whole). A bigger focus on the struggle of survival as well as radiation. In a way conventional weapons still make sense since the T-6pps are vulnerable to them and they are gonna be the only firearms humans have. If it was more so about the meft evolution of Skynet fighting the war, the T-800 coming to production as well as plasma weapons I think it could have sealed this movie better. As well as going for a R rating to give it the gritty dirty feeling surviving in a post nuclear war world.
This film certainly sticks out of all post T2 films. I think MacG really had the best intentions for this one but maybe he just doesn't fully get those films. But anyway, technically the film looks great even now (CGI Arnie aside - although they did try not to overexpose the face). Great practical effects, casting Anton Yelchin as young Kyle was spot on. It tries to do something different but in the end it's not the future war we wanted
Thank you for this review MrH! It's still the best Terminator film after 1 and 2 to me and it's too bad we wont get to see where they where going after this.
Ive only seen a few new movies lately and they all sucked. Joker was the only one that was really good and that was a horrific movie I wont be watching many times! movies just suck nowadays.
Well I say salvation was going into the ideal direction. It makes some sense that skynet first used caliber weapons before they develop plasma weapons and the terminators were a bit clanker as they were early models.
There are things I didn't like and would have done differently. Scrap the Transformer Terminator and replace with an HK Hunter-Tank. Have John already the main resistance leader and eliminate the whole submarine resistance plot. Instead of discovering the code that EMP's Terminators, the resistance should have discovered the plasma technology to create weapons that make fighting Terminators more effective. Change the ending where John needs a heart transplant, instead make it where Marcus has to stay behind to manually detonate the nuclear fuel cells. That being said, I loved the Future War setting and Anton Yelchin as Reese. The Terminators actually felt like Terminators (need more animatronics in movies and a healthy dose of CGI).
Love this film. This is the route they should've went. They were gonna get to Lazers and updated terminators and all that. It was gonna end up looking like it did in the first two as far as the future
This is hands down the best Terminator film made after T2. T3 had some ok moments (Arnold with the casket and minigun), but Genisys and Dark Fate were TRASH.
The real redeeming quality of this movie is that it was MUCH better than Genysis and Dark Fate As far as John Conner jumping out of a plane to a submarine, look at Hunt For Red October for the same ish scene
Thé movie had good ideas some good actors but the execution and Skynet plan was just ridiculous then you had John in the skynet factory calling t-700s as T-800 then you have John telling MArcus that Kyle was his father and did not even flinch, it makes no sense.
The film couldn’t really be set at night. It would be far too ‘dark’. Even despite the lack of ‘laser guns’ etc, was I thought really good. I think what hobbled Terminator: Salvation was that it didn’t know what to focus on, Marcus Wright, or John Connor.
You have to respect and appreciate the fact that this movie at least tried something different instead of recycling the same story, over and over again using time travel as a plot device.
Compared to Genisys and Dark Fate, Salvation was a masterpiece. Good actors with good acting tho.
Salvation is a classic compared to them, ESPECIALLY "Fate".
Nope
@@juggalogamer8541 YES!
@@juggalogamer8541 "Genisys And Dark Fate Are The Real Garbage.
It wasn't the future war I wanted . . . But it was at least an honest and unique effort to continue the franchise.
Agree
In defense of Salvation's Future War, it made sense that it wasn't the Cameron vision of the war because this was delayed Judgement Day affected by the Connors sending back the T-800 and T-850
The thing about the writers of salvation is, they had a trilogy planned. Alot of people criticise salvation for not being the same future war that was shown in T1 and T2. But the writers had planned that salvation was going to be the future war but pre plasma technology, and you can see this if you acknowledge the fact that Arnies T800 doesnt show up until the very end of the movie. The sequels that were planned would show more battles at night, with armies of T800s marching across the battlefield with their iconic plasma rifles .
The sequels were ment to build this up, and the trilogy ending with the resistance winning the war and sending Reece back to 1984 and a reprogrammed T800 to 1992, bringing the entire franchise full circle. Which would have been awesome to see.
But instead we get dark fate 😥 which ruins the franchise . Killing john Connor makes all the previous films pointless (including T1 and T2 )
Well, McG was such a bad director! The sets of Salvation didn't look like the sets of the future war in T1. And the only good part in Salvation was Marcus's story, from the beginning until he met John, which had already been written before McG was hired.
that's all they need to do. If they just make that movie, they get all the money. But no...
I like salvation
At least it tried to be different
McG shouldn't have been the director of Salvation! Charlie's angels are no Terminator!
The central performances were fine but it did look odd.
It sucked
The reason why they used machine guns with bullets is because Skynet had not developed plasma based weapons yet in this time period. The other 2 movies that were not made were going to show all this as it got closer to 2029. The story was going to be darker and darker until the third movie like shown in the original Terminator movie. Unfortunately we will never see how it was going to end. I believe that the reason why a lot of people had a problem with it is because Arnold Schwarzenegger was not in the movie. I don't find him essential to the series after the first 3 because it is not truly about him. It is about Skynet vs the resistance.
Salvation should have been set deeper in the future so we could have an army of T800s and lasers. That's the future war I want to see. The reason this was set so early in the war, is because they have to try and make a trilogy so held off on the stuff we really want to see. They should have given us one balls to the walls future war movie instead of hedging bets for future sequels
The complaint about it taking place during the day, as well as the lack of laser weapons, aren't that important or valid in my view. The film isn't set in 2029 as we saw during the flashbacks of T1 and T2. This is an earlier time period of 2018, and as we can clearly see with the Terminators themselves (the T600 models instead of the T800s) technology is still developing, and that would include laser weaponry. If a sequel had been made, obviously we would time skip to a later point closer to 2029 in which laser weapons had been developed, they could then also explain that Skynet's improved technology now made it impossible to survive during the day, forcing them to travel at night. These are all problems that are easy to explain away, so I'm not sure why this complaint still persists.
I think it's ill-advised to start off a future trilogy and have everything in the night right away, it was smart to have elements in there that the audience is familiar with to keep the story somewhat grounded. After general audiences had taken that first step and been acclimated to the future setting, then they're ready for the next step: introducing them to a darker version of that world. It's all about creating a smooth transition from past movies.
Agreed
This was the best Terminator movie since T2. It is highly underrated.
Agreed.
Fuck off, it's so boring!
John Matrixx agreed
Agree. Has some great Endo scenes aswell
So true. I agree it was a very underrated movie. I was very much looking forward to the next 2 movies that were supposed to come out continuing this timeline.
It wasn't a mess. The only thing wrong with it was that it was too focused on Marcus Wright. Dark Fate is what you call a mess. John Connor gets replaced by Dora the explorer.
@2-4-5 TRIOXIN that's an insult to Dora the Explorer. She's more like a low-rent Miss Bala XD
Lol.
Nope. Marcus was the best part. Christian Bale's character was just shallow!
Movie should have been about John Connor and the resistance vs skynet and the terminators. The fans wanted to see the resistance battling terminators. Why the fuck would anyone want a future war story where John Connor is a side character ? Youre probably a dark fate fan too.
You probably also like dark fate because its about Dani Ramos instead of John Connor. Same as resistance was about Marcus Wright instead of John Connor.
@@leonardeuler9592 You know a movie is really bad when Sam Worthington ends up being the best thing about it.
If only we got the second and third sequels leading to the assault on Colorado and kyle Reese going back in time. Full circle
Here here👍
I respectfully don't understand why everyone wants to see Kyle get sent back. I want a future war movie, but I don't want it to be framed where I already know the ending. They could go deeper into the future, show us things we haven't seen. Kyle said we won the war, but he was obviously wrong because of T2. The war still went on. They could show us this time period instead of the parts of the war where we know what happens.
I want to see the future wars, the way Cameron showed us in the opening of T2. I want the opening of Saving Private Ryan meets the opening of T2.
@@faz6877 I think you could combine the two ideas myself; show Kyle Reese being sent back early or midway through and then follow the resistance for the rest of it. That would satisfy most fans and also tie up some loose ends
@@faz6877 *faz wrote: "Kyle said we won the war, but he was obviously wrong because of T2. The war still went on."*
Not necessarily. According to a 1990 draft of T2's script, the older John Connor sent the reprogrammed T-800 back right after he sent Kyle, which suggests the first T-800 and the T-1000 had both gone through the Time Displacement Equipment already, rather than the T-1000 being sent back on a later date.
www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t2omit05.html
*Nelo Wolf wrote: "If only we got the second and third sequels leading to the assault on Colorado and kyle Reese going back in time. Full circle"*
Terminator Salvation can't circle back neatly to the events of the first film, because the future shown in Salvation isn't the same as the one Michael Biehn's Kyle came from. Judgment Day occurred in 2003/4 in this new timeline, as opposed to 1997 in Biehn Kyle's timeline. And T-800s were being developed years ahead of schedule in the new timeline, suggesting that Skynet's technology was advancing more rapidly.
Given all these changes, there's no way the precise events which led to John's conception could be perfectly reproduced, and they clearly don't need to be in order for this version of John to exist. He exists, not as a consequence of anything that can or will happen in his future, but as a consequence of events that occurred in a different future, in a different timeline. That timeline either no longer exists, or exists separately from the timeline he's in.
If this version of John were to send Yelchin Kyle back to 1984, he wouldn't be ensuring his own conception. He'd (at best) be ensuring the conception of a different John, in a different timeline. And maybe not even that, because there's no way he could be sure that Kyle and Sarah would conceive a male child, or conceive at all, without perfectly recreating the events of the original film, which just isn't possible from the timeline he's in.
It had a great idea and explored an interesting concept regarding the creation of cyborg T-800s.
It has aged like a fine wine compared to modern Terminator films.
As we know this movie was supposed to be a trilogy so saying that salvation was set in 2018 where skynet just started it's production run of the terminators T-600 while they announced the T-800 at the beginning of the film and showed it at the end of the film, this movie was going into the future into "2029" if had the other films completed it, sadly that didn't happen so we never got to see full development, but we would have seen James Cameron's gloomy dusty future war with laser weapons and a battalion of T-800's shrouded in darkness, Nobody ever mentions this not even Mr. H sad!
PS there was no laser weapons in salvation because it was set in 2018 not 2029! Just remember the script was supposed to develop further for that to occur.
I loved this film so much and it still makes me sad that people say those points are continuity errors. I thought it was well established that this was before Skynet had everyone underground and using future weapons and whatnot.
Glad to see someone else feels the same way.
it felt like the war was only just really starting at that point. Apart from skynets technology, it wasn't over the top flashy and futuristic. Most advanced technology would be destroyed or taken over by skynet early on in the war and not yet developed by it fully for mass production, so more of a even war. Skynet had deadlier better tech but not enough to wipe humanity out yet, the resistance wasn't yet coordinated it had more of a individual survivalist attitude. But may have Still had the resources left to actually stop skynets expansion it it's tracks, they just didn't have the leadership yet.
That big harvester and the hunter killer transports allready had laser canons (or early versions of them). They continued this story line in comics
@@brunomanco7529 wow I had no idea that the comics continued it.
@@rachelanderson5619 Totally agree, I think the trilogy wasn't able to continue sadly because of Anton Yelchin's death.
I like terminator salvation the terminator series should have ended with this movie.
I feel like it would have made more sense to continue the series from here. It was always going this direction.
ry fy ok thanks for the response.
Rock Universe Gaming ok.
No should've ended after T3 rise of the machines as this movie didn't get the future war setting right of T1 T2 and even T3 and no real arnie and they should've kept Nick sthal and Clare danes as John and Kate Conner wanted them to come back.
Sallie Wagenblatt ok thanks for your input.
Salvation may have its flaws, Bale might not be the perfect actor to play John Connor, but I would still prefer this movie over Genisys, or worse Dark Fate.
I do actually really like this film
It isn't bad, but I don't like McG!
I really like this movie. The giant robot collector was amazing, the CGI for it was really good too, considering I don't think that would be a practical effect. The Terminators were done very well too though. Especially the one with the minigun where Kyle Reese pops up first. The movie actually felt like humanity was actually at an end. Basic story line which was fine with me, a little twist in it. Just straight action and a terminator movie theme done pretty well in my opinion. You cant just throw original cast members into the movie and expect it to be amazing. This one did so much more with an entirely fresh cast and that's hard to accomplish. Terminator is just that dead of a franchise that I was open to accepting new faces, if the movie was good.
I respect your opinion, for me that giant robot thing didn't belong in this universe. I watch T1 and T2 (which depicts deeper into the future) and I have a sense of the types of robots Skynet is capable of producing. They could have used a take on an HK-Tank, but the giant CGI robot looks like something out of Transformers or Robot Jox. T1 and even T2 have this dark tone. I felt Salvation was closer to the tone of Transformers than Terminator. I give them credit for going into the future, I just wish it was better executed.
@@faz6877 I can definitely see what you mean. They did do a good job on SkyNet's base. The defensive measures felt very terminator to me. Someone needs to execute a war movie for terminator. The HK's are barely shown and they are so bad ass. It just feels like a lot of the lore is left out. Need a LOTR style Terminator trilogy done well. Same with Predator.
@@toxicmatrix1337 : Sadly the last Predator and Terminator movies ensured us we won't see anything new soon lol. And both movies tried to rewrite the roots of the franchise, rather than build or expand.
I agree, I loved the HK Tanks! You absolutely need those treads going over skulls. I love the designs because they are badass yet basic. Like Ed209 in Robocop.
Yeah I think there is so much potential story to tell. And I mean the character stuff. Living and fighting in a dystopian hellscape.
And one big thing, they need to double down on the blood and violence. Terminator has become a watered down adventure franchise. Give the franchise it's balls back. I know gore has never been a cornerstone of the franchise, but take It to where the opening of Saving Private Ryan went. Of course make the main focus on the characters, but don't be afraid to show the hell that these people live in. The rats, the nasty food, the broken TV's with fire. One thing that gets me about Salvation is how good looking everyone is lol. Moon Bloodgood was not a believable soldier. Nice to know she has the resources in the future war to make herself look like that!
This movie was still better than Genesys & Woke Fate!
Not really
PlayStation Guy85 how so?
@@rodrickadamginsburg8960 they all sucked
@@juggalogamer8541 ahah youre abit of a simpleton arent ya
@@rodrickadamginsburg8960 everything after the Terminator 2 sucked
The first 4 movies of this franchise can be watched and enjoyed. nothing is harmed or damaged to the timeline or story of the Terminator series, you can even add to that The Sarah Connor Chronicles as well.
T5 was the begining of the end of the framchise. in fact the movie would have been a good addition if it didnt screw John Connor. T6 decided to take it one step further and fuck John Connor completely and end him for good.
Watch T1 to T4, sure T3 and T4 was lesser movies, but at least it shows a progression of the Terminator story. T5 and T6 does not exist.
Its a nightmare. in the end woke and a Mexican brought down a billion dollar franchase, Skynet and John Connor. i choose to not believe this.
The thing about the writers of salvation is, they had a trilogy planned. Alot of people criticise salvation for not being the same future war that was shown in T1 and T2. But the writers had planned that salvation was going to be the future war but pre plasma technology, and you can see this if you acknowledge the fact that Arnies T800 doesnt show up until the very end of the movie. The sequels that were planned would show more battles at night, with armies of T800s marching across the battlefield with their iconic plasma rifles .
The sequels were ment to build this up, and the trilogy ending with the resistance winning the war and sending Reece back to 1984 and a reprogrammed T800 to 1992, bringing the entire franchise full circle. Which would have been awesome to see.
But instead we get dark fate 😥 which ruins the franchise . Killing john Connor makes all the previous films pointless (including T1 and T2 )
I personally wouldn't say there were continuity errors with the use of bullet weapons, I'd say it would kinda make sense since Skynet was still growing and developing. You could see the strives into plasma tech with the projectiles used on the HK's IMO. And with humanity still being around during the daytime and essentially having an airbase in the open where they operated is okay even if a bit iffy but that just means that Skynet was still working on getting total control over the earth but that's just me. Still love your vids
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I always enjoyed this movie. The thing about Salvation was it was supposed to be the first film in a trilogy of Future War movies. A lot of people had trouble with how this movie did not resemble the Future War shown in T1 and T2 (no plasma weapons, too much daylight, etc.), but again, this movie is about the early stages of the war. I rather liked seeing the T-600, and thought Christian Bale made a good John Connor. One of the biggest flaws of this movie though, is that John isn't the main character - it's Marcus Wright, which in my opinion was an error on the director's part. John plays more of a supporting role in this film. I would have much rather the film be all about John stepping up and becoming the leader he's destined to be. The end battle with the T-800 is amazing in this film, I'm glad they made the T-800 menacing once more. Such a shame though we didn't get the other two sequels to this movie. What could have been...
It's like you read my mind. Couldn't agree more!
I'll also add that Genysis' fight with the T800 endoskeleton was worse looking than Salvation's. When they burn off its skin in this film you can see the charred remains left on the Endoskeleton, but in Genysis the skeleton is totally clean and shiny like it's just come out of the factory. No attention to detail in that film.
John was rising up and becoming a commander after his Sargent died in the submarine, You failed to mention that, "HE WAS ACTUALLY STEPPING UP TO BECOME A LEADER" John also was grouping the residence fighters over the radio. This is his character development, the movie had character development for both Marcus and John it showed John a lot he was in a lot of scenes he had to be for the writers to develop his character and uprising as a leader it was the first movie trying to establish his character development mind you this was supposed to be a trilogy I think they delivered pretty good. Marcus was a support character for the story he was equally important as John to develop the criteria needed for plot development. I honestly loved both the roles of both characters.
The second movie would have been John as the main character but it just didn't get the chance! So you can't complain about this movie because it was supposed to be a trilogy because it wasn't even finished 😂😂😂😂
It's a big piece of the puzzle missing from the rest of the pieces that's why this movie was the way it was it was creating a universe to better explain the rest of the pieces.
It's still the best sequel since T2. It at least did something different and tried to evolve the series. It just focused on a character no one cared about too much and was a bit too far removed from the aesthetic of the future war we had seen in the Cameron films.
This is definitely the third best movie after T1 and T2.
I liked salvation would have liked to have seen it continue
I think the reason why they don’t have plasma rifles yet was because it took place in 2018 a good 11 years before 2029. I still like the movie as a whole though.
I actually enjoyed Terminator: Salvation. It's the ONLY Terminator film to actually take place in an apocalyptic world.
T1, T2, & T3 had a lot of talk about how John will grow up to be this amazing hero of humanity. Even the Sarah Connor Chronicles had a lot of talk. We never really get to see John in action. Until THIS film. The ONLY film.
Yeah, there wasn't futuristic lasers yet and all that. But this was an early apocalyptic world. The T-800 model 101 Terminator wasn't even supposed to be around yet. In the story, it was made years before it's time. Maybe lasers weren't supposed to be around just yet either.
After Salvation, the franchise just went dramatically down hill. Genisys completely forgot that all the prior Terminator movies and show were supposed to be about John Connor. Arnold may always be the star. But John is ultimately the hero.
Genisys pooped on that and went in a random direction. A direction that wasn't even original, I might add. What do I mean?
Well, both Genisys and Dark Fate decided to CGI a young Arnold Terminator. Salvation beat them to the punch on that. In addition, Genisys did a little bit of time hopping. They time travel from one point in history to a later point in history to escape a Terminator.
Guess what. The Sarah Connor Chronicles did the EXACT same thing in their pilot series. Negative points for Genisys's initiative for unoriginal ideas.
Plus, Genisys killed off John Connor right off the bat in the beginning of the film. The new Terminator taking on John's image. The face for humanity's hope is now the face of a Terminator. Not cool. Not entirely different than what Dark Fate did. Also killing John right off the bat.
Both Genisys and Dark Fate make all the former Terminator movies and series obsolete. Pointless and all for not. Nothing anyone ever did in the former films would make a positive difference in the future thanks to Genisys and Dark Fate.
Most people accept T1 and T2 as canon for the Terminator franchise. But as far as sequels go, at least Rise of the Machines and Salvation acknowledged the importance of John Connor. And that is a critical piece of information. Mandatory if you wanna make a Terminator story, in my opinion. -OG
I agree on the fact this franchise needs to go in the future wars, and give credit to Salvation for trying. But I can't give them many points for execution. Yeah we saw John Conner, and he was played by an amazing actor. But he was a one note action hero with little depth. They did a disservice to the character. Bale could have done some amazing things! We should have got a real war movie. For me the future wars are what we saw at the opening of T2. The future of Salvation feels so watered down, both in tone and violence. I mean you have that sub plot with that deaf kid that's clearly just put in there to appeal to the masses, much like the whole movie.
I've waited since 1984 to see Skynet, and in Salvation it's basically guarded by one CGI T800. That place should be crawling with machines!
They don't even have the common sense to use the actual Terminator theme until the end credits. You know the director doesn't give a shit when they try to throw out all the old themes and scores, which would have been an easy way to create a similar atmosphere to the first two. But feels like McG really didn't care. Like every director since Cameron, it's not about honoring what has come before, it's about trying to create something for themselves off the Terminator name and parlay into a trilogy.
@@faz6877 Yes, I agree. Salvation had a lot of problems. The Terminator/human hybrid Marcus was just weird. And Skynet in communication with future Skynet to try and win the war was also weird.
I think just keeping things plain and as basic and simplistic as possible is a much better way to go.
Playing with the intricacies of time travel shouldn't be an emphasis in a Terminator movie.
Is there time travel in Terminator films? Yes. But it's not about time travel. You're gonna lose your audience when you focus on something like that. This isn't Star Trek where you can explain things with techno babble.
It seems like every Terminator sequel since Judgment Day has just been missing the mark as to where it should go. And as much as one can criticize this film, they keep putting out more that's even worse than its preceding film.
Which, ironically, makes Salvation actually look better and better each time. Lol. -OG
@@suproliver : I completely agree with you.
A lot of these film makers miss the point and don't understand why T1 & T2 are so loved. The nerve to think they can use time travel to go back and erase the franchise lore. As long as we have CGI crashing into each other......that's why fans like Terminator right?
So yeah, I Salvation hurts because I see so much potential. And give credit for going in the logical direction. But Genysis and DF are slaps in the face to the franchise. I certainly hold Salvation in much higher regard than those sequels.
Same here Oliver it was a great film and was under rated. I loved it so much! Its my favorite one next to T-1&T-2, Genisis and dark fate was trash and doesn't count in my opinion as a TRUE sequel.
@@rachelanderson5619 if you like games, I know Me. h didn't really care for Terminator resistance but in my opinion this game could be a spiritual sequal to Terminator salvation. The story is much better than the average gamer will give it credit for and the game itself is loyal to it's source material T1 and T2 and it has laser weapons. AHKs and GHKs and T 800 that look exactly like from the movie. I tell most Terminatortor fans to give it a chance.
I really liked Salvation. The main reason it got so much hate, even way before its release, was due to its PG-13 rating announcement.
True but it was a good movie non the less, there's material in salvation that could be considered R rating either way it was extremely violent especially since john got stabbed through the heart by a T-800, which doesn't seem very child friendly. Let's just say it was wrongly rated.
No the movie just sucked
@@juggalogamer8541 nah it was good
@@cookiecrumbgaming9026 nah it wasn't 😁
I own it on Blu-Ray. It is great on it's own, but they made a mistake to not make it the end of trilogy, where John Connor must send Kyle Reese to save his mother.
I always liked this movie, so what it’s not the future war we all want, but I like what I see😀
Well salvation was ment to be a first in a trilogy. The writers had planned to building up to plasma technology being developed by skynet and this the future war we see in T1 and T2
Interesting Adam did not know that😀
@@thespiken yeah, they wa ted to end the trilogy with the resistence sending back Kyle Reece and reprogrammed t800 , bringing all 5 films full circle . Which I think would have been amazing
I liked it, I got to see John not die and grown up and try to live a life with the overhead stress and pressure of knowing the future and saving the world.
After T1 and T2 this is actually my favourite Terminator film. Don't understand the hate till this day.
Salvation was not that bad. At least it tried to deviate from the formula unlike the other sequels. My main beef, was Christian Bale trying to sound like the Batman for this entire movie, and nearly ruined it for me.
When I consider Dark Fate...potentially the biggest bait & switch in film history...
Genisys wasn't even *that* bad. Both Salvation & Genisys opened up the door for growth. Too bad they all tanked & we never got the *real* future war.
A cuppa tea and a Mr.H Vid. Hey hope everyone has a great new year..
The aesthetics never bothered me, Salvation took place eleven years before the future war scenes from the first movie so I think it's fair to say the plasma rifles haven't been invented yet (though I would have still liked to see some prototypes show up during the fight with the T-800), and the daytime scenes could be explained by Skynet not yet having sufficient numbers of HKs to make daytime movement as dangerous as Kyle said it was.
I looooooooooooove this movie. the mad max environment is crazy.
I really don't get the continuity issue. This movie is set in 2018, 11 years before the lazer gun scenes we see in T1 and T2. That means the lazers pobably haven't been invented yet, so what's the problem? Also it is stated that this is not the exact same future we saw. Changes were made to the time line in T2, so I don't see the issue.
Thank you for this.
Given how poorly the latest outing turned out, I've been on the fence concerning giving this one another go. I watched it the one time during it's theatrical run and I'm convinced to give it a rewatch.
Certainly can't be worse than Genisys.
tseng9 Give it a rewatch. I think you’ll like it, and definitely a step up compared to Genesys lol. It has a great look, good acting and it’s not another typical terminator chase movie.
I loved Salvation, I rank it right up there with T1 and T2
Damn.. good for you man. I respect that. I liked it too. But I did really like the action in T3. It sucks every movie after T2 seemed like a confusing mess
Just finished rewatching T1 to Terminator Salvation. Honestly T3 and Salvation where not that bad movies. Where they good as T2? Hell no but honestly you could not recapture T2. Could we had something better? Yes but honestly we could have gotten a lot worse. We can see that with Genisys and Dark Fate.
I liked Salvation a lot. It was far from perfect, with some miscasting and a bloated third act, but it did something new, and I found it consistently entertaining with solid VFX. Not a great film, but a very good film, and certainly the best out the post-T2 bunch. Compared to Dark Fate it's a fucking masterpiece!
I actually appreciate that this movie tried something new...
I enjoy these reviews from you a lot. Definitely keep them coming
Terminator salvation was way better than most of the rest terminator movies. It is only worse than T1 and T2. All the rest films in the franchise are utter bullshit.
Shame we didn't get to see any salvation sequel...
Looking at the comments I’m not alone in thinking this was a decent movie.
4 sequels, 2 failed reboots, and 1 cancelled show. Off all these we can at least say Salvation at least tried. It tried to not be a carbon copy of Terminator 2 (looks at Dark Fate)
I really enjoyed this film glad to see i'm not the only one, its was decent but i hope somewhere down the line we get another terminator movie set in the future again.
I really like this movie, I never understood the hate which is why I’m watching
I didnt care much for this film when it was released. Although now looking back I have gained a lot of respect for it for actually doing something different. Set in future, no time travel. Yeah I kinda like it.
Your voice is perfect for Terminator and more so Hellraiser lore vids
Have a pot noodle and I needed something to watch, and low and behold Mr H uploads. :D
My 3rd favourite Terminator film... would've rathered sequels to this than Genesys and Dark Fate being put into production any day of the week.
Closest thing to future war
I thought bale was a great John Connor
I agree
His meltdown says otherwise
Mixey Boy his meltdown is nothing
Mixey Boy he was trying to save the world what do you expect
@@axelstone3131 I'm sorry, but Bale's lack of commitment and behaviour both on and off screen, really shows.
The first time I saw the Future War flashbacks in the Terminator movie I said I want to see that as a movie. I liked Salvation for the attempt and I'd still like to see them try again, all be it with John Connor, instead of another time travel retread.
Ever since I saw Kyle's future war flashback scenes in T1 I wanted to see more of the post apocalyptic struggle of man vs machine. Salvation gave us a taste of that, so that was a plus in its favour (in my books, anyway).
terminator salvation was pretty decent and a natural continuation to the story from T2 , i think they should have focused more on futur wars than recycling the same old story .
I liked how the movie tried introducing the I series of infiltrator models. The Marcus prototype was an I-xxx infiltrator, something we had only ever read about in comics. And I liked that the series was getting some Hollywood love.
Marcus was the only element I enjoyed in Salvation. I wish the character was better explored in the movie.
After watching dark fate and enduring genesis. I think this film is somewhat decent. My only real issues with this film is it's not the future war envisioned in the first 2 films. Like the idea of the resistance having air superiority and the fact they have nuclear subs still hanging around. And no purple lazers!
Did not blow me away, but I didn't hate it either. I honestly had a greater appreciation for Salvation since the movie took us to the future as opposed to the usual retread of every other movie in the franchise, as well as made the T-800 scary again. There were issues, of course, such as the movie taking place in daylight much of the time as opposed to how the war was presented in T1 and T2. Still, while it could've been so much more, I didn't hate it.
Salvation is my favorite alongside the first movie. I loved the bleak early war feel of it. I loved that there were no lasers. Also! The detail that only 90’s music plays, even on the trailers, is a great attention to detail.
The problem I had was why did Conner not remember ANYTHING about the later t-800 series, or Skynet's abilities from his experience in the earlier films. He had his mother's tapes, knows his own history including who his future father is going to be, but why does he not recognize what was happening in that underground lab with the human tissue experiments?
I've also never truly hated salvation. It had lots of likeable elements to it. At the time, I actually liked the CG Arnold, albeit now it doesn't really hold up. But the animatronics, the aestetics, the feel of dread, lots of it wasn't all that bad. Imagine if it only took place during the cover of night, it would have worked wonders just that alone.. Along with a few re-casts..
I always liked this movie, except for the end. it would've taken no time at all to establish that marcus wright was type-o negative and thus, a universal donor. they could've done it at the very beginning in the prison but, they didn't and then the end of the movie doesn't make any sense. granted, organ donation and transplants are a very complicated process but it could've helped to maintain the suspension of disbelief.
Totally hit the nail, Mr. H. Most of the movie taking place during the day killed it regarldless of the fact that we "finally" got a Terminator movie in the future. Also, them planning it as part 1 of a trilogy as they have continued to do so was such a wasted opportunity, had they just jumped into the future we all knew and wanted. Plus making it PG13 really scaled down the action/thrill ellement the series always had. Unfortunate.
I'm not sure if I like the movie, but the latest installments in the series definitely made me appreciate it more. I really enjoys these segments, please do more:)
The issue with the terminator films is every film after T2 is trying to outdo it by copying it. Sometimes bigger isn't better. If there had to be a T3 they should have either made it real dark and gritty set in the future war or made it more like the first being a slow paced survival action horror film. I would even go as far as to say sarah and john stopped judgement day and that story is done. Just set it in 2030 and have the terminators appear in present day not using the time machine. The story should have been about how machines help us but have come weaponized like most things do. The terminators in this new future are man made and are used in human wars. Have man be the start of a new war using terminators not skynet... I honestly thought dark fate would be like this
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While I ultimately say it missed the mark, I liked Salvation more than I disliked it, and I was expecting 1 or 2 sequels that went into that lazer future war we all want (that I am getting a reasonable taste of in Terminator Resistance). Worthington worked for me, and Bale was ok, when I could ignore the drop in voice register. My biggest problem was the tone or color palette was wrong for a Terminator film.
Anyone else think Bale was justified in his rant? He didn't just start yelling at some guy on set. Someone was walking around adjusting lights durring a take. From what I gather, somebody who knew better.
I just want to see John win the war.
Well now he's dead, do you won't be seeing that 😆
Give us an all out future WAR.... Please. ⚡💀
Just play terminator resistance as it's probably as good as we will ever get. If you do play it set it to hard or extreme as then the terminators will be deadly.
@@matthewyoung7183 Nice one. ✌️
Mess?
well to me it will stand for the Last truly good Terminator film that this damn world of ours will ever get
and sadly the last attempt for a proper Future War series
till we get a hero from the future such Kyle reese to give us that saga
just to give full circle to this epic series
i do fucking LOVE SALVATION
The Most Under rated Terminator film
and appreciate it for not Shotgun Blasting my Heart like fuckin dark fate and Genysis did
i honestly can say that i love T1 & T SALVATION the best
well i appreciate that you don't Hate the movie anyway H
I think you missed some of the point of this movie. It was not to show the future war that we glimpsed in T1 and T2. It was to show the *start* of that war. So, humans are still learning about Terminators. The humans also don't go around at night. Any following movies that were planned were gonna show this progression, until we got a full movie of the future war. Sadly, this did not happen and the trash that was Genesys and Dark Fate happened
Salvation is probably the best and most underrated entry after T2. It is flawed but I admire its passion to deliver the future war, it didn’t look like Cameron’s war but it is set in 2018 where sky net hadn’t reached the technical proficiency as seen in 2029. Maybe if McG got to make a follow up they would’ve shown how sky net evolved and how the resistance changed battle strategies.
The problem with salvation comes primarily from two things. 1. Sam Worthington’s character Marcus was unnecessary, why send Marcus to find Kyle
Reese only to use him to lure John Connor into a deathtrap at a sky net facility, sky net knew that Reese was connors father. It’s pretty silly.
2. The film lacked an R-Rating and as a result the terminators didn’t have much of a threat presence as they should have.
Other than That I enjoyed it ok. 3/5
You brought back the old intro, Thank you
They should make a Terminator movie about a robot going back in time to protect someone that’s important in the future, but here’s the kicker, a protector is also sent back to keep that person safe. We’ve never seen that....
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TS wasn't a mess and deserved a sequel at least for its unique approach to the franchise, which is certainly more than can be said for the way they eventually did go. It's far from perfect of course, and the movie does kind of lack the heroism of who to route for that made the first 2 movies so good, but at least TS left a clear path to follow that would've led to the war that inevitably came and added another layer to the franchise, instead of the rehash they ended up doing that would sadly ruin it all.
For me that clear path for the next movie is not necessarily a compliment. I watch T1 and T2 and they have closed endings. I feel the Salvation ending is just a set up / cash grab for the trilogy. It's a non ending. It's basically John Conner telling everyone to tune in next week for the next adventure. Personally the movie they tease at the end of Salvation is the movie I want. I want to see the actual war depicted in the opening of T2. I think making Salvation a trilogy, the years it takes place, the ending......none of it has to do with story. It's all about setting things up for a trilogy so the studio can make more money. And they don't respect the fans enough to give us one solid movie before they set things up for 2 additional sequels (which never come). They didn't even use the Terminator theme in Salvation until the end credits. Salvation was clearly not made by a Terminator fan.
It’s my 3rd favorite after the first classic 2
They added another plot to a movie that didt need it, instead of what people wanted, because You know subvert expectations
No laser guns? What are you, 5 years old? They Didn’t get the laser weapons until they raided one of Skynet’s Armament complexes, and THEN they got the “Laser guns”! Not all units had laser weapons. Nor were they there all the time. In the beginning, there were only prototypes!
Terminator: Salvation is the type of Terminator film I wanted to see after Rise of the Machines (a film in all its flaws has an ending that works). I’m on board with the first two acts, but it’s the third act that falls apart.
I don’t even hate the day time stuff plus, this seemed about 15 years into the war and during that time period maybe they hadn’t decided to go out at night….that continuity error didn’t bother me.
What did bother me was the heavy focus saving Reece as a teen half of the movie. I would have preferred the third act not focus on that so much building a relationship between John and Kyle and use Sam Worthington’s character as the base for human terminators for both humans and the machines.
I also liked how the film wasn’t a time travel movie.
There was a lot to enjoy here.
T1, T2, T:S, rest of them are unholy trinity of parodies that can die in nuclear crater.
I like idea of building further upon Salvation, future war maybe?
Thought T:Salvation was a really good film tbh. Like all sequels, it has faults, but far exceeded expectations. McG actually done an excellent job considering the limitations of the script.
That is a spot on assessment about the aesthetics of the film. It's largely why I didn't care for this movie, it just ignored everything that was set up in the original movie. I mean they had the template right there and just ignored it. For the record I'm not some stickler for continuity and minute detail, it's just that the overall look of the future in the original movie was much better than this one. It felt more oppressive, hopeless and terrifying. Salvation is bright and gaudy, more interested in it's set pieces and explosions to a point where you could swear it was directed by Michael Bay.
I think if it had a bigger mix of day and night time fighting less focus on Marcus (more on the Resistance as a whole). A bigger focus on the struggle of survival as well as radiation. In a way conventional weapons still make sense since the T-6pps are vulnerable to them and they are gonna be the only firearms humans have. If it was more so about the meft evolution of Skynet fighting the war, the T-800 coming to production as well as plasma weapons I think it could have sealed this movie better. As well as going for a R rating to give it the gritty dirty feeling surviving in a post nuclear war world.
This film certainly sticks out of all post T2 films. I think MacG really had the best intentions for this one but maybe he just doesn't fully get those films. But anyway, technically the film looks great even now (CGI Arnie aside - although they did try not to overexpose the face). Great practical effects, casting Anton Yelchin as young Kyle was spot on. It tries to do something different but in the end it's not the future war we wanted
The "Bale Meltdown" says it all
When I heard that clip, it finally shed light on why I only ever liked his performance in *American Psycho*
Thank you for this review MrH! It's still the best Terminator film after 1 and 2 to me and it's too bad we wont get to see where they where going after this.
Ive only seen a few new movies lately and they all sucked. Joker was the only one that was really good and that was a horrific movie I wont be watching many times! movies just suck nowadays.
Well I say salvation was going into the ideal direction. It makes some sense that skynet first used caliber weapons before they develop plasma weapons and the terminators were a bit clanker as they were early models.
There are things I didn't like and would have done differently. Scrap the Transformer Terminator and replace with an HK Hunter-Tank. Have John already the main resistance leader and eliminate the whole submarine resistance plot. Instead of discovering the code that EMP's Terminators, the resistance should have discovered the plasma technology to create weapons that make fighting Terminators more effective. Change the ending where John needs a heart transplant, instead make it where Marcus has to stay behind to manually detonate the nuclear fuel cells. That being said, I loved the Future War setting and Anton Yelchin as Reese. The Terminators actually felt like Terminators (need more animatronics in movies and a healthy dose of CGI).
It is an underrated jewel... The only installment that honored the original trilogy and expanded the lore as a direct continuation
Love this film. This is the route they should've went. They were gonna get to Lazers and updated terminators and all that. It was gonna end up looking like it did in the first two as far as the future
It’s getting better with age. Only the very ending made me groan. Could have been a cool reboot.
This is hands down the best Terminator film made after T2. T3 had some ok moments (Arnold with the casket and minigun), but Genisys and Dark Fate were TRASH.
Nahhh
The real redeeming quality of this movie is that it was MUCH better than Genysis and Dark Fate
As far as John Conner jumping out of a plane to a submarine, look at Hunt For Red October for the same ish scene
Thé movie had good ideas some good actors but the execution and Skynet plan was just ridiculous then you had John in the skynet factory calling t-700s as T-800 then you have John telling MArcus that Kyle was his father and did not even flinch, it makes no sense.
The film couldn’t really be set at night. It would be far too ‘dark’. Even despite the lack of ‘laser guns’ etc, was I thought really good.
I think what hobbled Terminator: Salvation was that it didn’t know what to focus on, Marcus Wright, or John Connor.
A retrospective review? OOOOOOHHH GOOD FOR YOU!
IT'S FUCKING DISTRACTING
You have to respect and appreciate the fact that this movie at least tried something different instead of recycling the same story, over and over again using time travel as a plot device.
Dud you sound like the narration voice from Warrior Kings. Every time you speak I hear Artos!