Sanji and Queen both were using armament haki, sanji stated he was and we seen Queen do it to block his diable jambe kick. It’s just Sanji has long black pants and diable jambe fire coloring that Oda doesn’t really depict it. Sanji also states it in 1033 I believe he combines armament haki with his exo skeleton to withstand his even greater flames (ifrit).
Exacttly. The thing is people forget that oda doesn't always use the busou shoku Koga for every character that uses haki poet timeskip. We see it with sanji, queen, kid, kizaru etc. Not using it doesn't mean weaker haki, it's just a choice
All good points I think if we put Virgo in Zoro’s position when he fought Pika, pika is winning. And if we put pika in laws position when he fought Virgo, Virgo is winning. Virgo Because he just has Haki is gonna be the more proficient fighter in hand to hand combat. But when given the proper environment and room for his devil fruit to be effective Pika is stronger.
Virgo broke sanjis leg who's a modified human!! Pika was hiding behind his devil fruit. Dude it's cannon that Virgo was the strongest out of the doffy familia. It was literally stated. Also the fact that Virgo got sent infiltrate the Marines, the fact that he was replacement for Cora~san
@@UltraBlue164 he was modified since birth, since before the time skip he could set his leg on fire. Not even red leg Zef could do that and he had already to traveled the Grand line. The only way feasible for him to ignite his leg is because his DNA 🧬 is significantly altered.
@@UltraBlue164 did he get stronger in wano? Yes absolutely. Was he already modified and stronger than a regular human? yes he most definitely was. How would you explain him beating a fishman underwater in arlong park if he wasn't already more than human?
It was clearly stated that he didn’t awaken his modifications until he used the raid suit… if he had the modifications, he wouldn’t have broken his bones from the Virgo attack
@@naveen8202 he was still above human level since he birth, otherwise he wouldn't be able to set his leg on fire without haki to begin with. Like the raid suit let his latent powers awaken but no normal human would be able to go toe to toe with Zoro. Like look how much Zoro to train to be at his level, and Sanji is right behind him and all he does is cook...
This ninja thinks Sanji is struggling with Pica? This dude bugging. People talking like Sanji dont have large scale attacks need to re read the Hell memories chapter for one. For two he doesnt need it for just Pica. Sense him, charge, smadh through his boulders, kick the real one. Sanji doesnt have to play Zoro's little games or not being able to tracj or reach Pica. Sanji can fly and he senses better than Zoro. Easy match.
Well just my opinion Verge had more under his belt and fought more impressive enemies so he had a better showing than Pica but for destructive power stated by baby five pica had that
the biggest what if in this fight is Can vergo even find PIca... Like that was the only challenge Zoro faced in the entirety if the battle was pulling him out of his stone gollem long enough to get the finishing blow... I think that if Vergo did get that hit he could probably take pica down.... But i also dont think hes making contact with pica's main body... His DF is hella OP. So much so it has potential to rival the island DF in some aspects
If Pica was more powerful than Vergo then wouldn’t Dolflamingo have had Pica as one of his main entourage? I dunno, I’m a Vergo fan and would love for his return but judging by who they fought I’m saying Zoro is not a harder appointment than Law at that time.
I know haki transcends all devil fruits, and Vergo has a higher spot in the donquixote family but pica has a clapped out devil fruit. Also, if Monat isn’t returning Vergo’s not returning.
Vergo definitely wins. Only difference between Zoro beating Pica and Vergo beating Pica is that it would take a lot more time for Vergo to do it due to his lesser DC.
So one thing I think you guys were mistaken with is Sanji was using haki the whole time vs queen, I maybe wrong about this but dosent Sanji use haki will using his flame leg attacks
Pica happened to fight a character with overwhelming Armament Haki, you can't say Pica's armamen haki is weak just because he happened to fight Zoro, who arguably had a better armament haki than Luffy up until Wano. And to bring up Vergo destructive capability is just dumb, when pica can damage a whole city in his giant form. Also having observation haki doesn't do the trick, Zoro used his observation to detect Pica, but if didn't work because Pika was able to relocate himself easily and quick. And attack that Zoro used is to destroy Pica by far has more attack power than any mentioned character. Im not saying that PIca would win, i think it's a great debate to have, but to say Vergo washes is wild, considering Pica has an OP df, which allows to do damage and hide.
@@BlaxkSun difference in haki showing actual combat skill and not total complete reliance on a devil fruit better showing against top crew members in the straw hats
I have to remember vergo dog walk law and his haki was weaker than him to the point he confident his haki would be enough. But law haki bloomed and was able to cut with his final attack
Vergo is for sure stronger. He has training from the Marines and made it to Vice Admiral. He uses Rokushiki which specializes in 1v1. Someone who primarily uses their DF won’t have stronger haki than someone who doesn’t have a DF. (primarily not both). With that being said I don’t see how Vergo gets pass Pica Mountain ability.
Pica picas ability is nice and all, but it's stone. If you can break through at least five ft of stone repeatedly, you can beat Pica. The question is can you fast enough and are you skill enough to prevent him from getting more stones
To be Doffys Corazon isnt just about strength, this is proven by Rosanante being selected (when objectively hes just obviously weaker than most in the Donquioxte family, even adult Baby 5 could probably take him out) so its about not just strength but the amount of respect Doffy has for you. Vergo is more respected by Doffy, but Pica is definitely stronger.
I beg to differ that Danji has better observation Haki than Zoro. Has he done anything better during battles that what Zoro did in his sleep on the ship?
@@Eden0211 There’s no difference between dodging that bean dodging a bullet. Doesn’t matter if Kat has future sight the fact is after that bean leaves his hand there’s no way for him to adjust the trajectory of the bean even if he sees that Sanji will dodge it.
@@yakiynisrael2409You don't get it do you.... Katakuri is basically attacking from the future. And you saying trajectory....Luffy is far faster than zoro and he couldn't even touch nor dodge Katakuri. So what are you saying
@@jimohabdulqudus4283 ok explain to me how can Katakuri change the trajectory of the bean after he throws it? All Sanji has to do is dodge what Katakuri throws he doesn’t have to read any future or read Kats mind. It’s the same as dodging a bullet.
@@yakiynisrael2409 totally agree. I mean it's still a nice feat since Katakuri probably saw the future where Sanji dodged, adjusted the trajectory before he threw it, and Sanji still dodged. But yes, once the the bean left his hand it was just a normal shot, maybe a bit trickier to dodge than usual. In general, this idea that Sanji has amazing observation haki is kinda headcanon: I would love if he would start to show great haki feats in battles, but he has never really done it up to now
Is it really that ridiculous to say a giant bone is stronger than stone and rubble.. Human Bones are ridiculously strong and then you timings that strength and size a million fold
Sanji isnt beating Pika during dressrosa arc. No way. He just fought Queen and the fight was gas but he wasnt kicking though Queens neck. Best know Zoro beheading Queen just like he dismantled Pika's arms. As for Pika Vs Vergo. Vergo is a better fighter without a doubt. Pika from what i remember didn't use armament haki whereas my guy Vergo came in looking like a purple Sergio Biscuit from Baki... COLDDDDD. Even with that, Pika is so massive i struggle to see Vergo doing any work :/
Vergo was relying on laws heart to fight him. Without it he got one shot. Zoro had to use his second strongest technique at the time to finish pica (asura being 1)
@@BrothaLove-qw1ly barely ??? sanji's squeletton couldn't even stand vergo's haki ??? it's not about weakened or not sanji coulnd't stand physically vergo
@@zaik a sanji that wasn't using haki. So what's your point? If zoro's bare body or even luffy's bare body takes a direct hit from someone using armament, they will get a bone broken. We've seen it happen.
@@BrothaLove-qw1ly not even once with zoro or luffy sanji was outstrenght by vergo who's way stronger than him and vergo wasn't using haki when he outstrengh sanji....
Only Oda San can make people haki clash this much, on a serious note in my opinion I think Virgo would struggle against Pica because Pica's defence is quite solid and I feel Virgo would slightly struggle to break through it.
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This was a fierce 12 minute haki clash 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
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Larry is just enjoying his life😂😂😂
As we all should 😂
I would be too, if I was in his position. lol.
One of the funniest parts is Larry trying to bite the twins hands whenever they point their hand near Larry’s face 🤣🤣🤣
Lawrence vs lionel debates gets me all the time. Please keep posting more
They do be goin at it 😂😅
We’re trying to find all the gems! 💎
Bro these debate videos are so hype, give me MORE
We trying! 😂 thank you for loving them.
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@@ThatOnePieceTalk make sure Larry shows love to Kidd it’s his birthday after all 🎂🥳
The room is consist of 3 L's, Larry, Lawrence n Lionel 😂..
Yow we need more of the twins back to back banter
Larry looks like an older brother watching his baby brothers fight
Is that the same guy arguing with himself in different shirts
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Crazy speed feat creating a mirage
Smoker catching hella strays 😂
It’s the only thing HE can catch 😂
This was a good conversation I can see both points being made ❗️
This argument is on the level of akainu vs aokiji
10 days of Haki blossoms and Devil Fruit awakening’s!
I loved this whole debate😂😂💯
Sanji and Queen both were using armament haki, sanji stated he was and we seen Queen do it to block his diable jambe kick. It’s just Sanji has long black pants and diable jambe fire coloring that Oda doesn’t really depict it. Sanji also states it in 1033 I believe he combines armament haki with his exo skeleton to withstand his even greater flames (ifrit).
Exacttly. The thing is people forget that oda doesn't always use the busou shoku Koga for every character that uses haki poet timeskip. We see it with sanji, queen, kid, kizaru etc. Not using it doesn't mean weaker haki, it's just a choice
Larry just in the back laughing at everything and chiming in every now and than to build the fire 🔥🔥😂😂😂 this is great haha
All good points
I think if we put Virgo in Zoro’s position when he fought Pika, pika is winning.
And if we put pika in laws position when he fought Virgo, Virgo is winning.
Virgo Because he just has Haki is gonna be the more proficient fighter in hand to hand combat. But when given the proper environment and room for his devil fruit to be effective Pika is stronger.
I'll work with this statement
This is the best answer in this comment section.
One Piece fights are ALWAYS situational as hell
Yea should name this segment weekly beef
Great idea
Vergo wins low to mid dif moonwalk is just a game changer
Virgo broke sanjis leg who's a modified human!! Pika was hiding behind his devil fruit. Dude it's cannon that Virgo was the strongest out of the doffy familia. It was literally stated. Also the fact that Virgo got sent infiltrate the Marines, the fact that he was replacement for Cora~san
Sanji wasnt modified in punk hazard…?
@@UltraBlue164 he was modified since birth, since before the time skip he could set his leg on fire. Not even red leg Zef could do that and he had already to traveled the Grand line. The only way feasible for him to ignite his leg is because his DNA 🧬 is significantly altered.
@@UltraBlue164 did he get stronger in wano? Yes absolutely. Was he already modified and stronger than a regular human? yes he most definitely was. How would you explain him beating a fishman underwater in arlong park if he wasn't already more than human?
It was clearly stated that he didn’t awaken his modifications until he used the raid suit… if he had the modifications, he wouldn’t have broken his bones from the Virgo attack
@@naveen8202 he was still above human level since he birth, otherwise he wouldn't be able to set his leg on fire without haki to begin with. Like the raid suit let his latent powers awaken but no normal human would be able to go toe to toe with Zoro. Like look how much Zoro to train to be at his level, and Sanji is right behind him and all he does is cook...
This ninja thinks Sanji is struggling with Pica? This dude bugging. People talking like Sanji dont have large scale attacks need to re read the Hell memories chapter for one. For two he doesnt need it for just Pica. Sense him, charge, smadh through his boulders, kick the real one. Sanji doesnt have to play Zoro's little games or not being able to tracj or reach Pica. Sanji can fly and he senses better than Zoro. Easy match.
Vergo was stronger than Pica. His portrayal and showing against Law was much more impressive.
Smoker catching strays out here 😂😂😂
Sanji got the opening attack on Vergo and then they clashed equally until Sanji leg fractured.
Sensational
It’s vergo as dude said his haki output is stronger
Well just my opinion Verge had more under his belt and fought more impressive enemies so he had a better showing than Pica but for destructive power stated by baby five pica had that
Larry was so litt and inspiring in this clip
the biggest what if in this fight is Can vergo even find PIca... Like that was the only challenge Zoro faced in the entirety if the battle was pulling him out of his stone gollem long enough to get the finishing blow...
I think that if Vergo did get that hit he could probably take pica down.... But i also dont think hes making contact with pica's main body... His DF is hella OP. So much so it has potential to rival the island DF in some aspects
Larry definitely that friend at the sleep over when the siblings start fighting over whose turn it is to play the Xbox.😂
If Pica was more powerful than Vergo then wouldn’t Dolflamingo have had Pica as one of his main entourage? I dunno, I’m a Vergo fan and would love for his return but judging by who they fought I’m saying Zoro is not a harder appointment than Law at that time.
He was in the entourage, he was one of the founding members of the family, that’s why he was tasked with an undercover mission
Respectfully Virgo is a Zoro victim. Law was never stronger than zoro.
I know haki transcends all devil fruits, and Vergo has a higher spot in the donquixote family but pica has a clapped out devil fruit. Also, if Monat isn’t returning Vergo’s not returning.
Pica was part of his main entourage
@@bigjen8238 for real? Yes you’re right.
Vergo definitely wins. Only difference between Zoro beating Pica and Vergo beating Pica is that it would take a lot more time for Vergo to do it due to his lesser DC.
He also broke not broke but cracked sanji leg when they kept clashing
Yo when the twins go at it, it’s always gonna get heated! Also where the #notificationgang at?
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So one thing I think you guys were mistaken with is Sanji was using haki the whole time vs queen, I maybe wrong about this but dosent Sanji use haki will using his flame leg attacks
he does
its a shounen and power scales via the timeline, pica wins
Mihawk's a Wapol victim with that logic ☠
@@CloudyDaze wapol clears 🗣
Fresh Pica got one shotted by Zoro. It took Sanji, Smoker and Law to completely beat Vergo.
Pika was devil fruit reliant and the second ut came to a man ti man fight he ran
Honestly mentioning smoker is crazy
He getting smoked 😂
All this sounds like is y’all yelling at each other to prove y’all points …
What was that wholee thing with food sticking to vergos face felt so random
Pica happened to fight a character with overwhelming Armament Haki, you can't say Pica's armamen haki is weak just because he happened to fight Zoro, who arguably had a better armament haki than Luffy up until Wano. And to bring up Vergo destructive capability is just dumb, when pica can damage a whole city in his giant form. Also having observation haki doesn't do the trick, Zoro used his observation to detect Pica, but if didn't work because Pika was able to relocate himself easily and quick. And attack that Zoro used is to destroy Pica by far has more attack power than any mentioned character. Im not saying that PIca would win, i think it's a great debate to have, but to say Vergo washes is wild, considering Pica has an OP df, which allows to do damage and hide.
Pika is not beating vergo.
Why?
@@BlaxkSun difference in haki showing actual combat skill and not total complete reliance on a devil fruit better showing against top crew members in the straw hats
What is Vergo doing against Pika when he’s in giant form?
@@Hunter_Brandon demon bamboo ez
@@Hunter_Brandon and unlike Zoro he won't need olumbus to catch him he can fly with geppo
Vergo wins 7 outta 10 times
This is a very fair assessment that I lean towards as well
How though, he's not breaking his stone to the level Zoro did to even force him out
I have to remember vergo dog walk law and his haki was weaker than him to the point he confident his haki would be enough. But law haki bloomed and was able to cut with his final attack
I don't remember much of either of these guys. I jist remember Pika being annoying AF and Vergo getting stuff stuck on his face all the time.
Vergo is for sure stronger.
He has training from the Marines and made it to Vice Admiral.
He uses Rokushiki which specializes in 1v1.
Someone who primarily uses their DF won’t have stronger haki than someone who doesn’t have a DF. (primarily not both).
With that being said I don’t see how Vergo gets pass Pica Mountain ability.
7:24 🤣
Bruh 😂
Saying Vergo has better CoO than Zoro gotta be the worst take I ever heard
I think Pica and Vergo are about the same strength, Law cut down one and Zoro cut down the other. I think both could beat Vergo or Pica
You guys need to check your blood pressure after each topt
Pica picas ability is nice and all, but it's stone. If you can break through at least five ft of stone repeatedly, you can beat Pica. The question is can you fast enough and are you skill enough to prevent him from getting more stones
To be Doffys Corazon isnt just about strength, this is proven by Rosanante being selected (when objectively hes just obviously weaker than most in the Donquioxte family, even adult Baby 5 could probably take him out) so its about not just strength but the amount of respect Doffy has for you. Vergo is more respected by Doffy, but Pica is definitely stronger.
Wouldn't it just because corazon is family....Actual family.
Like they both started the crew😅
Simply put vergo is stronger than pika also zoro needed olumbus to even catch up to pika sanji can just fly to him.
Bro wasn't Virgo stated to be the strongest fighter after doffy? Correct me if am wrong .
I caaaant my stomach hahah
Neither one of them can beat Buggy aka Rocks reincarnation‼️
You’re on timeout. 😑
The Only Stone Bird Cage wasent going through was the Sea Prism Stone Tower… Cmon dude just be yapping
I haven't seen it is the best comeback
There's no proof for who's stronger but vergos portrayal is better, doffy trusted him so much he was sure vergo would whoop law and smoker
I beg to differ that Danji has better observation Haki than Zoro. Has he done anything better during battles that what Zoro did in his sleep on the ship?
Wait, in terms of Observation? Yes.
He dodged Katakuri's bean.
@@Eden0211 There’s no difference between dodging that bean dodging a bullet. Doesn’t matter if Kat has future sight the fact is after that bean leaves his hand there’s no way for him to adjust the trajectory of the bean even if he sees that Sanji will dodge it.
@@yakiynisrael2409You don't get it do you....
Katakuri is basically attacking from the future.
And you saying trajectory....Luffy is far faster than zoro and he couldn't even touch nor dodge Katakuri.
So what are you saying
@@jimohabdulqudus4283 ok explain to me how can Katakuri change the trajectory of the bean after he throws it? All Sanji has to do is dodge what Katakuri throws he doesn’t have to read any future or read Kats mind. It’s the same as dodging a bullet.
@@yakiynisrael2409 totally agree. I mean it's still a nice feat since Katakuri probably saw the future where Sanji dodged, adjusted the trajectory before he threw it, and Sanji still dodged. But yes, once the the bean left his hand it was just a normal shot, maybe a bit trickier to dodge than usual. In general, this idea that Sanji has amazing observation haki is kinda headcanon: I would love if he would start to show great haki feats in battles, but he has never really done it up to now
They forgot Garp is a vice admiral 💀
Doesn’t dofi and law both say that vergo is dofis best I can’t remember plus vergo fights more in the marines the pica
The “zolo” pronunciation makes this so hard to listen to for me
Is it really that ridiculous to say a giant bone is stronger than stone and rubble.. Human Bones are ridiculously strong and then you timings that strength and size a million fold
Sanji isnt beating Pika during dressrosa arc. No way. He just fought Queen and the fight was gas but he wasnt kicking though Queens neck. Best know Zoro beheading Queen just like he dismantled Pika's arms. As for Pika Vs Vergo. Vergo is a better fighter without a doubt. Pika from what i remember didn't use armament haki whereas my guy Vergo came in looking like a purple Sergio Biscuit from Baki... COLDDDDD. Even with that, Pika is so massive i struggle to see Vergo doing any work :/
stop sword gobbling zoro and be realistic.
Vergo arguably the strongest vice admiral after Garp. He held the corazon position in the doflamingo family. He definitely low diffing pica
Virgo broke sanji leg tho , i think virgo is stronger by a lil bit but pika aint no slouch.
Sanji at that time was weak, he wouldn't beat Pica either
Virgo has want he needs to beat Pica consistently
Bros, you need a sound proof room. The voice of your videos are kind of echoing😅
Sanity can damage sea stone cages pre time skip 😂😂😂 yes sanji beats pika😂😂
Smoker catching mad strays
Only Oda knows😅😅😅
Y’all trying to say vergo can’t tank a mountain
Doffy cut thru diamonds jozu so most definitely he would Cush pica easily
Vergo destroys Pica bros. Vergo is a very efficient armament haki user. He shot something out of tat bamboo shoot with very maximum destructive force.
Issho couldn’t break birdcage with halo
Vergo was clearly stronger than Pica and It's not even close.
Sanji wasn't weakened 🤣🤣🤣
yes he was
@@kabirmuhummid8141 how was he weakened?
Pica’s fruit gives him the edge imo.
If you have observation....That's not much of an edge anymore
@jimohabdulqudus4283
Vergo didn't show amazing observation feats and he also hasn't shown the AP to hand with pica
Zoro*
With haki*
Lawrence defo won this 🤣🤣
Are they brothers ?😂
Never realized how balled the cast is, it’s all love tho
Vergo or Dressrosa Sanji don't have the DC to beat Pica and force him outside of his statue.
Don't need the DC, he can pin point Pica much easier and get to him .
Let. Them. COOOK.
Vergo would beat pica not even close👹❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥🐆🐆👍
Zoro had to use one of his strongest attacks, the billion fold world just to defeat pika. How would vergo do it?
They both are dog water. They both used full body haki
Clearly you’re not 😂
I always thought vergo was stronger that's why he fought law instead of zoro 💯
Vergo was relying on laws heart to fight him. Without it he got one shot. Zoro had to use his second strongest technique at the time to finish pica (asura being 1)
Strongest vice admiral is garp….
Pica wins
Vergo has better feats than pika
Zoro could destroy Vergo
Zoro > vErgo > pika > sanji > smoker
Vergo was barely stronger than weakened sanji. So sanji would be stronger than both pika and vergo
@@BrothaLove-qw1ly barely ??? sanji's squeletton couldn't even stand vergo's haki ??? it's not about weakened or not sanji coulnd't stand physically vergo
@@zaik a sanji that wasn't using haki. So what's your point? If zoro's bare body or even luffy's bare body takes a direct hit from someone using armament, they will get a bone broken. We've seen it happen.
@@BrothaLove-qw1ly not even once with zoro or luffy sanji was outstrenght by vergo who's way stronger than him and vergo wasn't using haki when he outstrengh sanji....
@@zaik when sanji's leg got fractured, vergo was using haki
The Best one piece channel . Vergo wins
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Haha Haki Man
Only Oda San can make people haki clash this much, on a serious note in my opinion I think Virgo would struggle against Pica because Pica's defence is quite solid and I feel Virgo would slightly struggle to break through it.
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