Does the Bible Agree with Science? w/ Fr. Robert Spitzer - The Bible Timeline Show w/ Jeff Cavins
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Can faith and science find common ground? For many departing from Christianity, science stands as a primary reason for their disbelief. They argue that Christian beliefs and scientific teachings are inherently incompatible.
Join Jeff Cavins and Fr. Robert Spitzer as they tackle this perspective head-on. Together, they navigate the creation narratives, engaging with topics such as the Big Bang Theory and evolution. Drawing upon his expertise in science and theology, Fr. Spitzer illuminates the beautiful relationship between faith and science.
This is a conversation you do not want to miss.
Fr. Robert Spitzer, S.J., Ph.D., is the founder and president of the Magis Center of Faith and Reason. A scholar, teacher, author, and seasoned leader, Fr. Spitzer is pre-eminently a theologian and philosopher. His other fields of expertise, however, include management science, finance, ethics, and physics. Born in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1952, Fr. Spitzer entered the Society of Jesus in 1974, was ordained a priest on June 11, 1983, and took final vows April 4, 1992.
00:00 Opening
01:00 Time Period Intro
01:43 Intro to Fr. Spitzer
04:06 The Big Questions
05:52 First 11 Chapters of Genesis
11:28 How Is the Story of Salvation Different?
17:30 Before Creation
21:00 Atheism
24:00 Evolution
33:20 Two Creation Accounts
40:24 Wanting to Be God
46:15 What Jesus Offers
49:37 Fr. Spitzer’s Life in Scripture
01:07:30 Listener Question #1
01:09:10 Listener Question #2
01:11:30 Listener Question #3
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Father Spitzer is one of the single greatest minds in the Catholic Church today! Thank you Mr. Cavins for bringing him on, hope this could be a regular thing, Fathet Spitzer contains such a wealth of knowledge! Thank God for both Mr. Cavins & Father Spitzer!!!
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What a beautiful chat! As someone who was born with a disability, I have often been looked at as a fool to have belief in God. In fact, both my brother and I have the same disability. We are 2 years apart. Also, about 10 years ago my mother was diagnosed with a rare form of blood cancer. Again, people looked at us weird that we would continue on, as many would say, "with the God-thing." My way of looking at it is if we only stay on this path of faith when life's easy and going our way we don't really need much faith do we?! He never promised to be our ATM no matter how much this world seems to only view Him in such superficial ways.
I get the pleasure of attending Fr. Spitzer’s presentation on this subject in a couple weeks at my church. Thank you Lord for these two holy men.
Love this! It was science that brought me back to the faith. The way I see it, science is the tool God gave us to discover his work.
@@po18guy Yes, that’s where theology comes in
It's finally happening. The two worlds collide. It's good to see Jeff bring back his old friends. Mother angelica, pray for us.
Two precious brothers! God continue to bless you in your walks and ministries.
Very happy to see this season of episodes has started!
I’m so blessed to be able to attend daily Mass with him
I did not expect this to make me cry. Fr. Spritzer's good heart radiates, and the ending prayer did me in lol
Thank you soooooo much for doing this!!!! So many don't seem to understand that science and faith can go together and do.
I enjoyed listening to Father Spitzer and hearing about his life. You have a very good way of interviewing. Thank you. Lorraine
Truth is one. Counting and measuring the quantifiable aspects of reality is what we call science today, Faith is corresponding to the unquantifiable aspects of reality and, finally, to God Himself. No opposition between these two searches for truth. Wonderful to hear from Fr. Spitzer.
I had to download this because it is so beautiful and I have hit that replay button so many times I have lost count. Such a beautiful invitation. Thank you Sister! ❤
I truly hope that Canadian Catholic School Booards and other Catholic School Boards around the world are open to your lesson plans for our children.
Excellent video Mr. Cavins. You're the best!
So good to hear Fr. on Ascension. Always look at his program on ETWN
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Thanks!
What an amazing chat. It's not a surprise that children as young as 12 leave the church. So many have grown up with no religion or as C&E catholics which is not a stable foundation. Sports and other activities on Sundays have replaced religion 😢😢😢
You are amazing Father Spitzer . God Bless you . I miss driving , but it’s not the end of the world. I miss eating fish but it’s not the end of the world. I am not blind , but I feel so amazed. I cant see it . I have never taken physical health lightly and yet here I am, physical health is improving for a very specific reason . After my operation .
Amazing insight and intelligence. Father Spitzer's explanation is truly amazing and has strengthened my understanding. Thank you!!
i loved this interview. i have always admired fr. spitzer and to hear his personal journey of faith was really moving and frankly, left me teary eyed . THANK YOU for this episode. i will pray for you both! ad majorem Dei gloriam! 😊
I want the full talk. I dont care if its 8 hours long, we need more lol
Thank you amazing Story for Father Spitzer
Wonderful conversation, thankyou both so much ❤
I learned so much, thank you both!🙂❤
Thanks for sharing this video and information.
Love this show!
Glad to see some discussion about creation.
I would love to see Robert Sungenis interviewed Also.
Not going to hold my breath....
How?
I always laugh when the scientists say something new to science and you’re sitting there like “ah yes, you’ve finally caught up! Remember how you laughed at Christians for this very thing…”
Very interesting episode!
On evolution, I have seen in a number of recent talks on this subject, scientists such as Stephen Meyer are showing that evolution between species just doesn't work. The understanding of DNA is showing that the likelihood of beneficial mutations isn't happening, while changes WITHIN species does happen. Darwin's Doubt, is Stephen Meyers book that speaks to this. He is writing from a Christian viewpoint of a creator as the origin of the universe and all life.
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Have Jeff Cavins and Jordan Peterson spoken yet? If not, how do we make this happen??
God made science; science didn't make God. Thank you FR. Spitzer I enjoy your presentations.
Science is the new religion. Much of science is not based on empirical measurements, but on faith. How do you put faith into something that continually changes. God is never changing.
I couldn't find the link for the Bible Timeline on the Ascension Press website, I saw where I could decline it, watched the film hoping it would appear after the short video, but, nope, never appeared.
You might’ve tried it too soon, it seems it’s just premiering now. Not sure when it started though
Have you seen The Bible Timeline in the Ascension app under the Bible tab?
@@AndrewCasad No, don't have the app, just followed the instructions in the 4 minute promo video
@@po18guyit’s a good thing then that Jeff created his Great Adventure timeline.
I think that the "prove it" mentality, is problematic for atheists and a older universe is problematic for young earth creationist. The "prove it" mentality is not open to the possibility of "something out of nothing", and is quite hopeful that it remains that way. The young earth creationists are not open to the glory and awe of God and how he works, and therefor dismiss all the wonder that comes from an older earth.
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Science can only give insight into the natural, physical world. Yet, science is a powerful tool for appreciating God's creation. The strangeness of the quantum world reminds us that this creation is far deeper, far stranger than we had anticipated.
So where do the prehistoric, age and dinosaurs fit in to all of this? Because if god created everything, then he would of created that as well and what about caveman how do they fit into the story of the Bible?
The Bible isn’t a full historical book on everything that has ever happened. There’s nothing incompatible between the Catholic faith and the existence of dinosaurs etc.
That's a very good question! They definitely existed, we have the remains. I believe that God created all that has existed and that Neanderthals and dinosaurs were a part of that creation. How it all plays out, I'm not sure. Perhaps the difference between the Neanderthals and the Human species, was some part of the creation process from an ape like creature to the creation of Homosapiens? How ever it took place, I believe it was the work of an awesome intelligent Designer. All that we see today on this awesome planet was the work of an Intelligent Designer... GOD!
Yes, I agree it is all a mystery that doesn’t seem to be solved by the history of the Bible and was left out of our history and how it all fit in or came about and how it would of fit into the history of the Bible. That there are a lot of things that are missing ( mystery) . Just like I don’t understand that ,Adam and Eve had 2 children and Cain killed his brother Abel and was sent away but who did he marry? Where did she come from? And how was the world populated? God had to have created more people than are mentioned in the Bible.And same with Noah went into the arc when God destroyed the world by the flood, and all he had with him was his wife, his three sons and their wives and threw them , the whole world is populated as we know it today so they must’ve had to have married their children off to their cousins.I’m just trying to understand and learn. You see I have been going through the Bible in the years as well as the catechism in the year with Fr. Mike with ascension . This is my second year and I have so many questions because I get asked by people and I have no answers. So thank you so much for your help. 🙏🏻
Jeff was surprised Father Spitzer does not read the bible lol!
Hello Fathet Spitzer. What about if the Big Bang was the fall of man . The physical universe was created . The asteroid belt was created . Perhaps the earth is older than we think . Our soul created in Heaven and our physical body created once we fall the dimensions . It’s only an hypothesis , I don’t expect to be correct , it’s just a question . I could be way off too . I haven’t done any research either . Thank you for your time. I am daring to ask a question
Paul’’S Testimony is great . It doesn’t work for a woman though, and catholic . Confidence is pride what’s a woman doing having a woman. Little do people know it’s God ‘S Holy Spirit speaking at the time I am confident. Today I have lost confidence . I am not allowed to have an identity . My near death experiences invalidated. Well I have been weaned off everything . Unbealavable. No ego means I can’t live on earth . I have inner peace . It’s not me the problem , my operation has made me a hard case simply because God has found the solution for me but people are too proud to be seen with me. I asked God , how to be healthy and use more than 10percent of my brain . Amen
Of course, God created "Science", we just do not understand it completely yet. Humans' understanding of Science is always changing. Human understanding of Science is proven wrong and changes over time. Human understanding of Science is fallible. The Word of God is unchanging.
Bible describe how God created all things. Science describe how God does it or in other word science describe how gloriously Is God's creation, although it is in a very small portion.
Love Fr. Spitzer, but he needs to drop the Documentary Hypothesis timeline in his account. That's been roundly debunked. Secondly, God being a perfect cause cannot (except by intermediation of a secondary cause, i.e. the sin of the Fall emanating from free choice) create a world in which death is a fundamental principle of advancement; yet all evolutionary theories require death as a necessary element. Hence, evolutionary theory can't become manifest until after the Fall. Unless evolution is ex ante facto in tempore as an effect of the Fall, it can't be permitted into God's plan.
There are two different languages. There is the language of the atheist and there is the language of Yahweh. There is no communication between the two because the atheist does not want to communicate in the same way that Yahweh wants to communicate. For example, Yahweh says, “Let us reason together, though your sins be as scarlet...” (Isaiah 1:18). The first thing on Yahweh's lists for discussion is your sin. However, for the atheist that topic is the last thing on the list. Also, it's not what you believe in, it's about what you love (Mark 12:33).
The atheist's remedy to explain all his theories and to discredit the Genesis story is to add the construct of billions of years. But on the other hand, everything in Genesis is created in its adult form from the beginning. The trees, the animals, mankind are all created in their adult form. That also includes the universe. And an adult universe would and should appear to be billions of years old.
Atheist do not understand that consciousness is not a chemical formula which could ever be created in a lab. When we talk about the elements we are talking about our experience of the elements through the miracle of consciousness.
I would agree that the churches today are defective. In fact, the Apostle Paul pronounced a curse on most churches today because the main Christian denominations of today preach a different gospel than what Paul preached. To quote exactly what Paul said, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8). Both apostle Paul and Peter preached the same gospel and quote from the prophet Joel (2:32) saying, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be saved." (Romans 10:13 and Acts 2:21). The English translations say “Lord” instead of “Yahweh.” But “Lord” does not translate “Yahweh” it is a substitution of a totally different word altogether. This substitution activates two additional curses because if you substitute a word you are both adding and subtracting at the same time. “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:18, 19)
We are commanded by Messiah that, “...repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” (Luke 24:47). In other words, we are supposed to preach the gospel that came out of Jerusalem and not preach the gospel that came out of Antioch, or Rome, or England, or New York, or Chicago, etc. By the time the gospel got to Antioch it had already been perverted as we read, “...And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” (Acts 11:26). The problem with this is that Yahweh spoke of a people called by His name (Deuteronomy 28:10; 2 Chronicles 7:14; Isaiah 43:6, 7; Daniel 9:19; Amos 9:12; Acts 15:17). Yahweh did not choose the name “Christian” for Himself. The people of Antioch chose that name and all the so called main denominations of today embrace that name “Christian” for themselves. When Peter and Paul preached the gospel they quote the prophet Joel, “Whosoever shall call on the name of Yahweh shall be saved.” (Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21; Rom. 10:13). I ask you, how many of the church fathers and so called main denominations of today preach that gospel? None of them. Absolutely none!
Paul makes it very clear that the end result of him preaching the gospel was that the people would call on the name Yahweh. He says in (Rom. 10:14,15), The preachers are sent. They preach. The people hear. The people believe. The people call on the name Yahweh (Rom. 10:13). I ask you, how many of the church fathers and so called main denominations of today preach that gospel? None of them. Absolutely none!
It took only one generation after the death of Joshua for the children of Israel to forget the mighty works of Yahweh which He had worked through Moses and Joshua and to began to serve the idols of the people around them (Judges 2:7-13). It took only one generation.
I would like to say this as respectfully as possible, however, I heard a philosophical diatribe, and some statistics, not a serious discussion of the relationship between science and Christianity.
A very respectful comment, indeed, for which I thank you. Turning to your substantive point: what do you consider as a ‘philosophical diatribe’?