guys yall need to play the ASA game alittle. with 1.25" 12 rings there is more strategy in the miss than the hit for most people. i play the known game now. but am working towards unknown bc of the challenge. it all takes work and whos cares how you want to shoot it as long as you are shooting and supporting your local club/range that lets us shoot!!
Tim you so young you don't know that is the way it used to be! There was never a known class! in IBO or ASA. ASA brought the upper and lower and IBO the easier of the two in my view was center 12 sorry 11
What people want is something that is as fast and easy as an EZ Fletch where you can fletch all the vanes at once... but with the flexibility of a Bitz (e.g. 3 or 4 fletch, 1 to 5 degree helical). If someone comes out with a product like this, I think every single person would buy it because it's a no brainer.
Ive been trying to have them review the Bohning Cauldron jig kit. Look into it, im waiting to see if its worth buying or just keep my Bitz and do it that way like i have been
@@jons7e truee…is the ez fletch max like 5 degree helical? I just think the tolerances of the EZ fletch arent that great and was hoping the Cauldron allowed for more precision some but maybe that only comes with something like the Bitz. Im going more towards a 3 fletch again after coming from 4. Can get the same if not even less weight off the back if right vane is selected. But yeah idk all i know is i used Tac Vanes on my bitz with no wrap, Bob smith glue, and AAE nock reciever and it was a literal nightmare. And ive built lots of arrows to this point not my first rodeo so anything to make those simpler i was willing to try. Might jus go super saber vanes but they are heavier and way more money
@@Orr_sbro tac literally tells you to only use there glue and primer so you can’t blame the vains , I’ve done the same thing and it pissed me off so I totally feel your pain , to me the AAE glue is the best so I just use it on everything along with bohning flechtite to tip them
@@longshotdiedtired1582 i did use the primer pen and the Bob smith glue is the same exact ingredients in Tacs super glue. Bob Smith industries glue is the best glue ive found never had any issues ever fletching arrows until i tried TAC Vanes and i love the vanes. I wanna try super sabres or mini sabres too but theyre insane money for like a regular 40 or 36 pack. Ive had multiple people say theyve fletched well with TAC and bob smith industries glue as well. Idk maybe it was the 4mm shafts with no wrap and using a Bitz. They did finally adhere but it was a nightmare and wasted 3 vanes. Not as clean a job as usual. Prepped the same super OCD like, made sure to cut the clamp and grind down high spots, have the AEE receiver too. Jus wondering if theres a better jig out than the Mini Max and easier than the Bitz but still as precise
Most 3D targets are placed between 30 to 50 yards and outdoor target archery is 50 meters ( 54 yards ). Outdoor target archery is always shot in wide open venues where bucking the wind to catch scoring lines is most important. 3D typically is shot in wooded areas with less wind, so larger shaft becomes more important to help you catch your scoring lines.
Timmmayyy! I’d like to hear what you and Josh think about Athens Archery going under from patent infringement with Blowtec. They had a patent and I don’t understand how that didn’t protect them.🤷♀️
They gain nothing from talking bad about any companies other than offending companies and the owners of their products. Better left rolling around in the mud on Reddit.
Glass looks good on the stove Josh! I don’t know how you clean it but a wet sponge dipped in the ash cleans wayyyy better that you would think! Thanks for the great content. Keep up the good work!!
Unknown yardage in ASA is insanely fun. Also, who has time to range a whitetail before you shoot? You’re ranging some trees/landmarks here and there when you get setup so that you can better estimate yardage when you have a shot. It’s an entirely different game, and it’s growing a lot more than people realize. And yes, there is more money to be won in unknown. Mathews especially. $5k difference from Open Pro in ASA to Known Pro
Over here in Europe we have no “known distance” everything is unknown. The guessing is part of the game. 3h here is no hunting practice because in most if the countries bowhunting is forbidden. So here we shoot World Archery 3D or IFAA Bowhunter class. All unknown. Thats why we need a fckn fast arrow. So we can miss judge some meters and still hit the kill zone.
I think an interesting 3D format would be splitting it so that half of it is known and half is unknown. That would really level the playing field. And no, I will not be asking MFJJ to build me an $8k bow setup.
Wife bought me the Hoyt alpha X 33 for my 40th birthday and after setting it up getting everything centered to spec the riser blocks about a quarter of my sight housing and it drives me crazy ! Closest shop is over a hour away and Hoyt want send me shims to shift everything left
Sorry tim,mfjj is right. Unknown distance is king. If you thing you're a good archer just take your sight off your boy, practice a lil bit and then give me your opinion on Unknown distance
When you’re talking about paying someone to do something, there is something to be said for being able to do it yourself but if you hire someone they might come out and buy a bow from you. Then you’re both better off
Probably just a delay from when you guys filmed… but Josh’s concerns about the Athens Axxis tuning being an infringement issue with Deadlock. He called that shot pretty well.
I went to the first local shoot out by my house in saltsburg PA and it was so foggy that for the first 24 targets the rangefinder didn't work but one time and I think I had the most fun shooting that one. Just guessing them all. I only missed two times and the one was on a 97-yard caribou where I could barely see what it was and i was just guessing. I thought it was about 85 and here it was more like 97. Josh that's an awesome way to do judge it. I usually did something like what you were saying but not three times, I would count it twice kinda like there's 20 yards and That's probably another 15 or so on, thanks for your advice buddy
Firewood? Absolutely. Dragging logs out with a tractor and cutting them from early teens on. And before that, kept the basement supplied with wagon loads of split firewood. Now married and still burning firewood. I love it! My 5 and 8 year olds are already part of the process👍
It’s so funny because your 8k set up you mentions is me to a T instead of iron wills I use micro hades, x10 parallel pros, with easton titanium half outs, AAE max hunter vanes, halo lighted micro nocks, Mathew’s lift 29.5, 12 inch front bridge lock bar, v bar bracket, 8 inch back bar bridge lock bar, low bro two piece quiver, uv slider, qad rest, upgraded to green gas strings, green dampeners, Hamskee peep comes in at 8.6k 😂🎉 I mean it’s becoming way more common but buy once cry once in Mathew’s it’s a bow for life if you so choose they warranty it would take a serious change for me to replace this set up. And we haven’t factored in range finders, hip quivers, bino harness, Binos I mean we are way over 10k for top of the line set ups. But shout out tim and Josh I love you guys man! I’ve learned so much from you guys I’ve recently purchased a DIY set up for my home pro shop motivated by you guys teaching the average knuckle dragger like me want to be better and understand my set up and take pride in everything I do!! Thanks for all you guys do!!
If you're talking a lot of target archery, why not get a guest from the target world on the cast? As a retired archer for health reasons, enjoying the content.
The problem I see with the High price bows compared to a rifle is a bow will never hold the value a gun will. I have 10 year old Used guns worth more than they were new!
Well shit. I mean you own everything right? So you could just grab the bow, put all the stuff on it and build it and then just put it back right? I mean it's all yours right? Haha
I agree 100% unknown is not the deal. It’s not how someone would hunt it’s a product of the past. They need to just pull max range out to like 70 and make it all known. Just watching unknown is hard to do a whole bunch of staring and walking around. Im definitely not discounting the skill because that is the dark arts
Thanks to you guys I bought some Jocko Go... dang this stuff is good. Try the ice tea / lemonade (Arnold Palmer) flavor... it's really good. See if Jocko can give you some promo codes or kick backs for the podcast.
Another great podcast fellas! Talking about the lift which mine is the 29.5. I literally had to shim one cam all the way to the right and one all the way to the left for it to shoot through paper and the tear in the paper at first was like I’ve never seen it before.
Picking up bails of hay brings back memories. Ever use a bailer that shoots them into the wagon? Having bails shot at you while you stack, totally fine for kids 😂
Beat them in everything?per your test the Hoyt was faster and less vibration. Draw cycle is close. This is why so many people say you’re biased towards mathews. The lift is a great bow but your test contradicts what your saying.
Had a real world situation where I was hunting in fog and my rangefinder wouldn't work and I misjudged and shot under. Has made me practice a ton while I hike where I guess yardage on something then range it to see how close I am. I will always have a rangefinder but now for closer shots if needed I can judge pretty good.
Yep, I always shoot unknown distances doing my best to guess the yardages from 60 on in! That’s better practice imo then ranging a distance and 12 ringing it!
Mfjj is gonna fix Mathew’s problem for free? He mentions all the time that he’s not sponsored, but didn’t mention how they’re gonna pay him for fixing their problem. I love podium but that seems suspicious
Hey guys I totally get both sides. But when you was talking on an earlier pod cast. You said for fun. Fun shouldn’t be stressful. Anyone who has watch MFJJ knows he is the man. 🧍♂️ f you never hit a 12 again you are still the man with all the knowledge. Enjoy you guys a ton. Keep it up.
guys yall need to play the ASA game alittle. with 1.25" 12 rings there is more strategy in the miss than the hit for most people. i play the known game now. but am working towards unknown bc of the challenge. it all takes work and whos cares how you want to shoot it as long as you are shooting and supporting your local club/range that lets us shoot!!
Tim you so young you don't know that is the way it used to be! There was never a known class! in IBO or ASA. ASA brought the upper and lower and IBO the easier of the two in my view was center 12 sorry 11
What people want is something that is as fast and easy as an EZ Fletch where you can fletch all the vanes at once... but with the flexibility of a Bitz (e.g. 3 or 4 fletch, 1 to 5 degree helical). If someone comes out with a product like this, I think every single person would buy it because it's a no brainer.
Ive been trying to have them review the Bohning Cauldron jig kit. Look into it, im waiting to see if its worth buying or just keep my Bitz and do it that way like i have been
@@Orr_s it’s a decent option, but it’s 3 vane only and limited to 3 degree right or left helical (straight and 1 degree won’t be used).
@@jons7e truee…is the ez fletch max like 5 degree helical? I just think the tolerances of the EZ fletch arent that great and was hoping the Cauldron allowed for more precision some but maybe that only comes with something like the Bitz. Im going more towards a 3 fletch again after coming from 4. Can get the same if not even less weight off the back if right vane is selected. But yeah idk all i know is i used Tac Vanes on my bitz with no wrap, Bob smith glue, and AAE nock reciever and it was a literal nightmare. And ive built lots of arrows to this point not my first rodeo so anything to make those simpler i was willing to try. Might jus go super saber vanes but they are heavier and way more money
@@Orr_sbro tac literally tells you to only use there glue and primer so you can’t blame the vains , I’ve done the same thing and it pissed me off so I totally feel your pain , to me the AAE glue is the best so I just use it on everything along with bohning flechtite to tip them
@@longshotdiedtired1582 i did use the primer pen and the Bob smith glue is the same exact ingredients in Tacs super glue. Bob Smith industries glue is the best glue ive found never had any issues ever fletching arrows until i tried TAC Vanes and i love the vanes. I wanna try super sabres or mini sabres too but theyre insane money for like a regular 40 or 36 pack. Ive had multiple people say theyve fletched well with TAC and bob smith industries glue as well. Idk maybe it was the 4mm shafts with no wrap and using a Bitz. They did finally adhere but it was a nightmare and wasted 3 vanes. Not as clean a job as usual. Prepped the same super OCD like, made sure to cut the clamp and grind down high spots, have the AEE receiver too. Jus wondering if theres a better jig out than the Mini Max and easier than the Bitz but still as precise
But Remington doesn't come out with a new rifle. Every year and outdate the one that they had out last year.
Most 3D targets are placed between 30 to 50 yards and outdoor target archery is 50 meters ( 54 yards ). Outdoor target archery is always shot in wide open venues where bucking the wind to catch scoring lines is most important. 3D typically is shot in wooded areas with less wind, so larger shaft becomes more important to help you catch your scoring lines.
Larger shafts that are heavier are not what you want in an unknown yardage 3D course but in known yardage yes u rite
Timmmayyy! I’d like to hear what you and Josh think about Athens Archery going under from patent infringement with Blowtec. They had a patent and I don’t understand how that didn’t protect them.🤷♀️
They gain nothing from talking bad about any companies other than offending companies and the owners of their products. Better left rolling around in the mud on Reddit.
Yes Josh build that bow up for me. Check is in the mail
Glass looks good on the stove Josh! I don’t know how you clean it but a wet sponge dipped in the ash cleans wayyyy better that you would think! Thanks for the great content. Keep up the good work!!
Josh, your dirty socks are distracting 🤭
Unknown yardage in ASA is insanely fun. Also, who has time to range a whitetail before you shoot? You’re ranging some trees/landmarks here and there when you get setup so that you can better estimate yardage when you have a shot. It’s an entirely different game, and it’s growing a lot more than people realize. And yes, there is more money to be won in unknown. Mathews especially. $5k difference from Open Pro in ASA to Known Pro
in 2 years your $8000 bow is worth $4000 your $15000 rifle in 2 years is worth $17000
Build it !!!! $8k let’s go
Review a bishop archery arrow build !!
Over here in Europe we have no “known distance” everything is unknown. The guessing is part of the game. 3h here is no hunting practice because in most if the countries bowhunting is forbidden. So here we shoot World Archery 3D or IFAA Bowhunter class. All unknown. Thats why we need a fckn fast arrow. So we can miss judge some meters and still hit the kill zone.
I think an interesting 3D format would be splitting it so that half of it is known and half is unknown. That would really level the playing field.
And no, I will not be asking MFJJ to build me an $8k bow setup.
Wife bought me the Hoyt alpha X 33 for my 40th birthday and after setting it up getting everything centered to spec the riser blocks about a quarter of my sight housing and it drives me crazy ! Closest shop is over a hour away and Hoyt want send me shims to shift everything left
Sorry tim,mfjj is right. Unknown distance is king. If you thing you're a good archer just take your sight off your boy, practice a lil bit and then give me your opinion on Unknown distance
Athens? Opinion?insight? Bueller?Bueller?
I'm guessing this wasn't filmed last week. I'm interested in their take on it too.
Some haircut analysis points towards this being a pre-recorded episode
They typically run 2 weeks behind current events based on how vids and instagram post line up
I thought Josh’s head was going to explode trying to defend Mathews. 😂. I know you have a lot of their bows to sell, but chill.
When you’re talking about paying someone to do something, there is something to be said for being able to do it yourself but if you hire someone they might come out and buy a bow from you. Then you’re both better off
Probably just a delay from when you guys filmed… but Josh’s concerns about the Athens Axxis tuning being an infringement issue with Deadlock. He called that shot pretty well.
I’ll test any of your products 😊 they have all treated me well !!!
Its no wonder why guys are going to trad bows. Think of the price difference for a moderately priced trad bow.
All the 3D target competitions I’ve ever shot were unknown yardage and no range finders!
Athens tried to step up to the plate on moving the cam left/right with a jack screw, and they are now out of business.
Yall claiming that lighter arrows buck wind better then heavier arrows all else being equal is some real nonsense. 🤣
I went to the first local shoot out by my house in saltsburg PA and it was so foggy that for the first 24 targets the rangefinder didn't work but one time and I think I had the most fun shooting that one. Just guessing them all. I only missed two times and the one was on a 97-yard caribou where I could barely see what it was and i was just guessing. I thought it was about 85 and here it was more like 97. Josh that's an awesome way to do judge it. I usually did something like what you were saying but not three times, I would count it twice kinda like there's 20 yards and That's probably another 15 or so on, thanks for your advice buddy
Firewood? Absolutely. Dragging logs out with a tractor and cutting them from early teens on. And before that, kept the basement supplied with wagon loads of split firewood. Now married and still burning firewood. I love it! My 5 and 8 year olds are already part of the process👍
It’s so funny because your 8k set up you mentions is me to a T instead of iron wills I use micro hades, x10 parallel pros, with easton titanium half outs, AAE max hunter vanes, halo lighted micro nocks, Mathew’s lift 29.5, 12 inch front bridge lock bar, v bar bracket, 8 inch back bar bridge lock bar, low bro two piece quiver, uv slider, qad rest, upgraded to green gas strings, green dampeners, Hamskee peep comes in at 8.6k 😂🎉 I mean it’s becoming way more common but buy once cry once in Mathew’s it’s a bow for life if you so choose they warranty it would take a serious change for me to replace this set up. And we haven’t factored in range finders, hip quivers, bino harness, Binos I mean we are way over 10k for top of the line set ups. But shout out tim and Josh I love you guys man! I’ve learned so much from you guys I’ve recently purchased a DIY set up for my home pro shop motivated by you guys teaching the average knuckle dragger like me want to be better and understand my set up and take pride in everything I do!! Thanks for all you guys do!!
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Athens closing down.
8000 bow and u didn’t buy a target yet or a range finder or Binos or a bino case
Love the podcast boys! Been listening during my workouts and enjoy every one
Hilarious my father was same way but he would pay so my friends would constantly want to come work 😂😂
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Sign me up for the core feedback group ... I'd be happy to give feedback on prototypes and pre releases
If you're talking a lot of target archery, why not get a guest from the target world on the cast?
As a retired archer for health reasons, enjoying the content.
The problem I see with the High price bows compared to a rifle is a bow will never hold the value a gun will. I have 10 year old Used guns worth more than they were new!
What's the farthest distance it makes sense to put up a piece of paper to paper tune with? 10ft? 20ft? 10yds?
10ft is the max. 6-7 is preferred
You forgot to add in a target for practice.
Bishop Broad heads, yikes.
Well shit. I mean you own everything right? So you could just grab the bow, put all the stuff on it and build it and then just put it back right? I mean it's all yours right? Haha
I agree 100% unknown is not the deal. It’s not how someone would hunt it’s a product of the past. They need to just pull max range out to like 70 and make it all known. Just watching unknown is hard to do a whole bunch of staring and walking around. Im definitely not discounting the skill because that is the dark arts
Thanks to you guys I bought some Jocko Go... dang this stuff is good. Try the ice tea / lemonade (Arnold Palmer) flavor... it's really good. See if Jocko can give you some promo codes or kick backs for the podcast.
Becuz u don’t need a $2000 bow rig to hit a target! It’s 80 percent the person shooting the bow imo
Another great podcast fellas! Talking about the lift which mine is the 29.5. I literally had to shim one cam all the way to the right and one all the way to the left for it to shoot through paper and the tear in the paper at first was like I’ve never seen it before.
Man if Mathews buys Athens and fights the IP lawsuit… and wins. It can be a game changer
I could see Hoyt buying up the IP. They’re really the only ones without some type of cam tuning system. Could push them up to, or past Mathews.
@@D18Y if Hoyt does that, it would be epic
🧐🧐 Looking for those Matthews haters in the comments. I'm told they're here somewhere... 🧐🧐
Picking up bails of hay brings back memories. Ever use a bailer that shoots them into the wagon? Having bails shot at you while you stack, totally fine for kids 😂
Are y’all coming to TAC in Georgia may 3-5? If you are looking forward to meeting y’all!
I grew up cutting and selling firewood with my dad and now that's what I do for a little extra money. Love the podcast guys keep it up.
The wind most definitely affects lightweight arrows more than heavier arrows.
Grew up only heating with wood, doing 8-12 cords a year with my dad def about like your experience Josh !
If you want something done right do it yourself. Thanks for another podcast
I'd do a hard cost fletching jig I want one like omp but want better degree options
Fire wood collection and bailing hay was a regular fight with me and my dad 🤣
Can you guys touch on how long you should be looking at replacing nocks
Beat them in everything?per your test the Hoyt was faster and less vibration. Draw cycle is close. This is why so many people say you’re biased towards mathews. The lift is a great bow but your test contradicts what your saying.
We need Josh to do a trophy room tour of his dads mounts and any stories he has of those trophies or hunts from his dad
Had a real world situation where I was hunting in fog and my rangefinder wouldn't work and I misjudged and shot under. Has made me practice a ton while I hike where I guess yardage on something then range it to see how close I am. I will always have a rangefinder but now for closer shots if needed I can judge pretty good.
Yep, I always shoot unknown distances doing my best to guess the yardages from 60 on in! That’s better practice imo then ranging a distance and 12 ringing it!
Mfjj is gonna fix Mathew’s problem for free? He mentions all the time that he’s not sponsored, but didn’t mention how they’re gonna pay him for fixing their problem. I love podium but that seems suspicious
Could you do a review on the Hoyt stratos?
asa known yardage class is target archery
Another on the books, good stuff guys have a great week.
Love the Crocs. Not going to loose those!
Hope to see you guys at TAC-TX
Lot’s of firewood ❤
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Remember when mfjj got upset with Dudley for not relating to your everyday archer? Then he said buy 2 dozen high end arrows haha
Hey guys I totally get both sides. But when you was talking on an earlier pod cast. You said for fun. Fun shouldn’t be stressful. Anyone who has watch MFJJ knows he is the man. 🧍♂️ f you never hit a 12 again you are still the man with all the knowledge. Enjoy you guys a ton. Keep it up.