At 23:29 or so I said you'd have to use a trade unlock on the weapon, but that's wrong. You actually have to remove the appearance scroll from the weapon (using an item Nerys sells) before it can be traded... which destroys the appearance, you don't get the scroll back.
I only don’t like copycat games like Mabinogi and the other games. I want something like MMORPG in anime/manga adaptation. I’m sure there is a lack of tool equipments, highly skilled groups and staffs, and etc. I mean, they have to examine or experiment the game they made before it can be freely played in every players.
Being an old player that quit a while ago because of these things, thinking about rejoining, hoping to god that they fixed any of these things... You sir, saved me a lot of time and money, thank you
@@thecasuallongsword The short answer: They don't. The longer answer: It's a mess of do and don't that is keeping essentially all private servers alive, A good example would be how none of them actually sell anything, It's all run through donations and that's just one out of a couple of ways private servers avoid getting sued or closed down.
I used to play on the Ruairi server as Ouray. I used to loved the shit out of this game and spent almost every day after school throughout my early grade school and high school playing this. I had so many fond memories here as I spent countless hours just sitting in Dunbarton talking with friends, PvPing them sometimes, and arranging for dungeons and quests and such. I met my first love over it too. We meme'd, found bugs, goofed around, and it's made such an impression on me; I even remember the usernames still by heart for some of them, 10 years later. Everything used to take time, thinking, pattern recognition, and some modicum of skill on top of the stats to get through anything. The player was this fragile little worm that needed to control the pace of the combat lest they got steamrolled over. Now, everyone is just a one man army that steamrolls everything else, at least for veterans. Never mind the new player experience, who often times get left behind now because new players are so rare now, people want nothing to do with the older content and thus feel lonely. I never had to feel this way when I played back during its hay day, where there was always at least one person in every corner of every map for some reason or another, but going back to it now as a former veteran, years later just to check on it and get some nostalgia factor, I can easily see just how low and deprived it's become. It breaks my heart to see a game I held so fondly reduce itself to a shameless cash cow milking players for every cent. This game threw away its old identity and went in a path it should never have, and it all started with reforges. They saw how us kids for the time were not prepared for the gimmick of online gambling via reforge spam and decided to double down on this as their business model, and we can see it continue onto today, much to the detriment of the overall health of the game. Never have I seen such vicious, deplorable, aggressive manipulation by devs to orchestrate making the game feel as unplayable as possible to coax people into forking over cash to make it bearable. It's such a shame because this game had sooo much potential but it was utterly, unbelievably, horribly *wasted* . I keep checking on it from time to time, season after season, year by year, just to see how it is, to see maybe a miracle might happen and the devs start FIXING things instead of breaking them more and more. Maybe one day it will go back to the way it used to be.
I feel the same way. I couldn't have said better myself. I loved this game when i played it years ago. Now that im working and need to live the real life, it's sad to realize that there won't be any game like this in the future for me. Anyway i also check this game ocassionally, and this video brought me back the nightmares about their cash shop and convinced me to stay away from this game.
Ooooo Ouray xD here Rez0 noe day play as Link , o u o and yep game going in a spin to hell , hopefully we the mileatians keep it alive... well its vey hard now days add more ppl to the game but I always try .. well unnow days I restric m sellft to not follow the meta game play,always the wrong way hahaha just like my melee elf o u o hope see you ine of this day bye xD
Any chance there's enough of us with dev skills to do it better? Any chance we can collectively pull the resources to do it better? Take the route with the players in mind with the kind of combat and freedom Mabi offered back then? Do it justice?
It's so sad to see this, I used to play a lot of Mabi, was mod of Mabination for years, Mabi was life. It's so depressing to see what has happened to it. A game with so much potential. Used to have the best combat system of any MMO ever.
I watched this vid again and was just astonished by how well you made this vid... I really wish NEXON America sees this and report it to KR HQ (even tho I doubt that will ever happen) this is really sharp criticism I love it. good job.
It really is that bad, I try and bring it up in the discord mabinogi chat as in saying "guys this is not ok" and everyone just acted like it's normal and there is nothing wrong with it, but seeing how some of the players play I understand, i mean it really looks like it's the only game they play, and they're playing it alll the time, so I can see why they spend alot of money on it
@@NemoTheGlover I enjoy the game very much, It's normally the only game I play so I don't mind spending money on it. It's true there's a lot of issues with the late game content, but it takes years to make a character strong enough to get there.
@@josephdecker5660 exactly what I mean, people have no issues spending hundredths of dollars on it because it's the only game the play. Its addictive, and I'm not denying that, the community is pretty decent too, simply saying, the cash shop can get ridiculous.
I just returned to Mabinogi three days ago after being gone for 3-4 years, saw this video, and now I'm uninstalling every Nexon game I have... As a game dev, I can't tolerate treating your players this way. They've lost my respect.
I think the recent loot box controversy caused them to double down on their actions, because they realize they aren't as notorious as EA and is under the radar? Then someone should blow the whistle on them to scare them a bit.
I left Mabinogi around 2013 when reforges release and that completely broke the game for me. Before you were meant to get stronger through training yourself such as windmill training, carpentry, etc. Since I was a warrior, I essentially raised my strength to the maximum possible besides some small bonuses such as +8 STR from Fireball and when this system came out it broke my heart. Before you had to put in time effort and shit and now they added reforges which was random upgrades which can potentially make my damage increase by 100%. It was such bullshit. I first started playing around G2 and this game kept getting worse after shadow missions and continent warp led to dunbarton instead of Tir Chonail. It destroyed any sense of community left where back then everyone gathered around Ciar. Before as a newbie, you were able to log in and see all the people selling stuff at Tir Chonail but when I left... it was an empty wasteland. Reforges was the last straw in the back. And I also think that shadow missions also greatly played in the downfall where as before you had a reason to party with newbies to farm for passes... now no use really. There was also the issue of pets AoE summons becoming too powerful, the new classes such as bard's attack buff(which was bullshit that it lasted so long when you only played it for 3 secs), etc etc. So sad the game turned out this way. I do admit that they made some good changes such as allowing players to rebirth for free at age 20, but god damn do the rest of the changes killed the game for me.
@@craigwesley1504 DEV cat developers worked on Black desert as well as vindictus. The character creation/editor menu or screen is almost exactly the same as vindictus
Just recently left and don’t plan on returning. The nail in the coffin for me was the implementation of DPS. Mabinogi has always been a grind. I never had an issue with that grind, when things actually felt obtainable. Now I feel like you have to max out all your stats, max your level to 40k, and spend an absolute boat load of gold on mid/high end gear. Players shouldn’t be locked out, or feel left out of any content in the game. Mabinogi has become an extremely toxic environment for players that don’t have the time, or money to rush into end game content.
I started playing mabinogi when gen 1 came out in America and I was hooked. I loved mabinogi because I felt so free to be able to play a character that could be and do whatever they wanted. It really felt like a fantasy life simulation back then. Even shopping on the store for a new pet occasionally was super fun! It's so sad to see my favorite mmorpg be ruined by greedy ass hats.
+1 for this comment. I have no idea why anyone would want to deal with Nexon when there's a private server out there running a build with virtually none of these issues. Not to mention this tiny team releases ORIGINAL CONTENT (events and even 2 new expansions / generations) on a regular basis. They've shown more care for this game than the actual devs have.
8:23 Didn't even realize that was a tactic. Everytime I did G1 I had someone just burst it down due to the insane powercreep the game has been suffering from.
The unbalanced combat layer balance is honestly my #1 hated thing in this game since it started down the power creep path. Everything else I can tolerate and live with. But there's a special kind of frustration to have my Archery out damaged by Chain Blade. When you have a bare bones enchanted high roll Bhafel Hunter+Huntress combo, a Magnum 19 / Bow Mastery 17 dual reforged Bohemian Glove, and a Bohemian Set that has a total value of approximately 300m+ in the current Alexinian market be unable to hit a 10k Magnum Shot consistently on Feth Zombies. Meanwhile a freshly made Cutthroat Chain Blade off of the AH with a Fierce enchant slapped on for a total value of approximately 2m... Hits 10k+ on Feth Zombies. Chain Blade receives so much up front power, and yet other skill sets have to work so freaking hard just to get to the baseline power level of Chain Blade. Why even bother then? It's just luxury and fun to even do so rather than rewarding. Even though you pay real money for DPS in order to run DPS gated content, I can at least buy the DPS I need using gold eventually. But there's nothing like having spent 300m and still doing less damage than a near NPC tier item. WHILE STILL USING A META SKILL. Since, after all Magnum Shot does get stealth nerfed.
I've been playing Mabinogi lately, and I thought it was a game I wanted to play despite it being clunky, but the gacha system really broke my heart. I don't mind if it's for outfits, but hair, eyes, and all that... instead of being able to just buy them as pon really sucks. I don't mind paying more money for what is intrinsic to a character's appearance, but locking it in gacha just really kills the game for me.
XD well was so good the times of Ciar dungeon loby looking for partys hahahaha but yea it sucks when you need reach rundal runing take like 30mins because moongate never were when you need them hahaha
Played on and off since the beta... I miss having to prepare to run dungeons. Mages wouldn't use their wands right away because good god those were expensive just hold out until they were near the boss or on the lower levels where it begins getting challenging. People would bring wood and food to make campfires so you could actually recover in the dungeon as if I'm remembering correctly the only wound remedy was the healer or bandages and that didn't recover stamina. Now there is absolutely no consideration to this aspect as the power creep went to 1000 and you can just storm the halls so quick it doesn't matter. Hell don't even need to do part time jobs now or train skills manually (there's a potion for that!) all you need to do is spend money for it!. Also you missed being able to pay 2 rank skills and some of the newer skills having incredibly high requirements that you can just bypass with a potion or a 2x training pot with a 2x talent and the pay 4 talents covering far more skills so you don't even need to worry.... Oh almost forgot probably one of the only people that miss Sharp Mind. The more you fought a monster the more you learned about it and eventually your character would intuitively know it's attack meaning all you had to do was watch the bubble instead of the monster.... Now you just watch the bubble but that's been like that for a long time Overall Mabinogi lost it's charm when it went from Fantasy Life to Anime Life though I was happy with the way they changed premium service.
Been playing off and on since just before the Dugald Aisle barrier to Dunby was broken. The whole feeling and charm the game had is totally gone. I think that's easier to see when you take breaks. You come back and you're like what the heck is taking up my screen now? Unless it's a guild function there are no more community led events. People don't gather, interact, or help each other like they used to. As far as I can tell the developers haven't even totally fixed the issues with keyboard inputs from back in the day. It's sad to say goodbye with so many memories. However, if Nexon doesn't care about their game then I won't.
Ah man sharp mind was actually a cool concept. Otherwise you had to pay attention to what the enemy was doing. I don't think it ever mattered how much you fought an enemy though. Wasn't it just skill rank?
I don't know what you are talking about. I started a new character after a long break and it's awesome! Sure, dungeons are easier. but only some of them, others are crazy hard! I'm reading everything i can about the story, and just simply ignoring everything that feels cheaty. You can still do everything like i do, like before, or train skills with cash. Sharp mind was really really cool, i agree. It's not that the game changed that much, but with growing up you lose the ability to immerse yourself. Almost everything in the game it's still there, but now there are easier option too. Choose what you do. i'm ranking atm carpentry because i want to make a bow, not buy one. Because a highlander long bow is in my mind very good gear, and nowdays you can just earn a lot of money way too easy and fast. So I am making one. It took me 3 FULL (13 hours per day) to rank it r4. The charm is not gone, it never was there. It was your dream of living a world. I too was burned out and been on and off. Now, like i said, I am dreaming in mabinogi, while being limited because it's only a game, just. like. before. And i love it so much.
@@Ayce47 You've reinforced my hope. I play the same way. I am the only person i've ever seen on Mari and now Nao that wears a full set of Claus Armor with a Pelican Protector, that the old Royal Knights wear in Emain Macha. I started playing mabi back right before g2 was released and played all throughout the week and weekend with my best friend. It was amazing and immersive, the community was very healthy, active and involved. Things were simply different back then, we had less to work with but that fact really engaged the player and made us more resourceful and honestly play a lot smarter. Now nexon either hands you things or suggest that you pay an arm or a leg just to function up to par. So, i have decided to continue playing the old school way, it is a "Fantasy Life" after all, i want to feel at least some what immersed so if some new aspect of the game doesn't coincide with that, i don't utilize it. That is one of the great things about Mabinogi, to an extent, the game is really what you make of it, a catalyst for your imagination. Yeah the new end game content restricts you immensely and that is very unfair considering all of the options you have now for Talents(classes) but with that aside, there is a lot to do, and i've found that it's quite fun to play with friends you have irl, if they're willing or interested. I'd love to find an RP guild or community in Nao server. Anyway, Mabi is what you Make it. I'm Aquiliusmaximus on Nao, feel free to add me.
Spacial Cudlefish Also a beta tester🙋♀️ they got rid of Sharp Mind? Jeeze, I haven’t played for like six or seven years but seeing that a lot of the tactics are being... I guess simplified and how now it’s pay for skill- I’m leaning towards not coming back
They ruined the economy in the game which is what bugs me the most. What is the point of Life Skills when most of their benefits well do not exist? I Mean what is the point of being a Carpenter when the Bows, Crossbows and Arrows you craft are vastly inferior to the item shop, and Gacha Items? People want to buy the Premium stuff, not the things you can craft. Same goes for Tailors and Blacksmithing as well sadly. Even potion crafting one of the few industries that still exist is semi obsolete at times when big sales come along and people are able to get stacks of premium potions and elixirs from Gacha as random awards. During these times people buy far less potions which makes either crafters to drop prices considerably, or stop selling them all together until the demand returns. Just about all Carpenters are good for anymore is selling firewood... so tragic.
@Brennan Lu The main concept is ''be anything you want". The storyline originally was irish mythology but that changed very fast to emcompass anything, from shakespear to Iria to alchemy and more.
I haven’t logged into Mabinogi for probably six or seven years. I was a beta tester for the NA server (got a title for that for the actual game) and really enjoyed playing the game with my sister. Watching this, I feel discouraged about joining the game again. I enjoyed the game due to its tactics, so I cannot appreciate how a single set of skills can override other tactics and be used as the only main sources for combat. Also, now it seems more of a cash cow than an actual game. I fell in that hole before with a different game and I’m not willing to go back to that route again.
You make a lot of good points about the power creep and the cash shop. I wish you well, but I'll still be playing. I have yet to find a free-to-play MMO with as satisfying a solo dungeon crawling experience as Mabinogi, let alone that combined with the same sort of colorful aesthetics (too many games trying too hard to look like reality, not enough cartoony color and softness...). My biggest gripes with Mabinogi happen to be that there are skills that require you to party up with another player to get and that the game actually charges you for access to the wardrobe feature. Skill acquisition should not be tied to socialization in a game, not even in an MMO. It's as if they forgot that shy, introverted people with social anxiety play these things too. Also, charging for access to the wardrobe feature in a game where the dissonance between the look of the gear that will give you the best protective benefits and the gear that works best for your character's persona is often quite high is just plain wrong. Wildstar had free access to the wardrobe function for all players, PLUS a dye system where you collected dye colors and they became permanently saved in your collection to be re-used again and again on any piece of clothing you wanted, AND weapon appearance changes were part of that free system by default, AAND you could set the system to hide a specific piece of gear (for example, if you need that helmet's defense boost, but you want your character to have a helmetless appearance, just check a box and, bam, there you go). All I want from Mabi's wardrobe is to be able to use the appearance tab without having to use pon or cash or key items from events and such. It's 2019, a wardrobe function should not be a premium service, it should be default.
the sole purpose of why I loved the game so much was because of the combat system and how choosing the wrong skills could get you killed... I remember when having 180 was decent for a human... Now all you gotta do is equip a shuriken and spam Kuni storm and are your good and with that renown system giving like 900 hp, stamina, and mp the game just takes less skill...
Really liked this game back when you had to buy books (expensive) or attend classes (cheaper) to learn magic. now you just "pick mage at start lolololxDdd". enemies used to be deadly if you were struck, now you can quite literally have thousands of hp pretty easily. It's really sad to me, no other game captured that immersive fantasy feel quite like mabinogi used to.
Nice video! I couldn't agree more. I started playing back in the 2009, and I could say the game is playable until late game and until you play with the newer content. I hit the DPS wall hard when I tried to get past the newer generations. This is where I stopped playing. Now I came back after 5 years only to see that the things have gotten even worse. It's indeed not about the smarts and tactics anymore, it's just about the DPS. What drew me to this game back in the 2009 was its freedom of choice, lack of classes, the rebirth system, chess-like combat system, how there is so much to do outside combat and seemingly endless opportunities. However, with recent and not-so-recent changes (most notably the combat revamp), the combat system simply feels dated and clunky. I wish there was a game which implemented at least some of those features. A mix of Mabinogi and Vindictus with its impressive battle system and interactive environment (honestly, the battles in Vindictus were so exciting and unpredictable, that it felt like taking part in an action movie) would be a match made in heaven (once you remove all that Nexon nonsense). It really breaks my heart seeing what's become of Mabinogi. The only MMORPG I was able to play for more than a couple of months at a time. I'm very picky when it comes to MMO's, and at first I didn't get the game, but I was mesmerized by its complexity and stayed around. I hit a total level of over 3000, not counting the other characters. Mabinogi is a game first made with love and care, just to get milked out and watered down to the point, where it's lost its identity. To me, it's when they released the reforge system, where the game began to break. From they point onwards, it just went downhill. Mabinogi is a perfect example of how a badly thought out monetization can ruin even the greatest game. I think it's the longest content I've ever posted on UA-cam since its conception, so I'll end now. See you in Erinn (perhaps)!
Man everything you discussed in this video was the reason why I was skeptical about returning back to the game. I also have to say that the community has become worse too. I remember how happy and friendly the people were back in the noob days of 2008-2010 but as people started hitting the pay 2 win button they became more arrogant. I remember being noob shamed to the point of just preferring to solo stuff or just go with people I knew. There's also the people that scam you or that if you dungeon with them and you are after an item, even though your passes are used, they will just claim the item for themselves if it drops for them and you will never see them again. Not to mention that there's also people that like messing with you, by destroying a cobweb farm that you have wasted several minutes trying to lure in spiders and then they just run off. That isn't the worst of it though, you also have to talk about the "Fashionogis" or "Pros" that shame you, because they waste tons of gold and NX into having the latest releases of stuff, and then bully you for having "outdated" stuff and call you a pleb, and you only see them standing around showing off their stuff not being active at all. I just recently returned after the server merge but I am very close to quitting again.
It sucks because mabinogi brings back good memorys, overall I remember it being a fav of mine. Knowing nexon always wanting money, Id rather pay for my Final Fantasy 14 subscription. It's the only game that somewhat reminds me of Mabinogi.
I quit wayyy before you, just came back and had to make a new account, honestly doesn't feel that bad being a newb again but you're 100% right, why think about anything when you can just use chain sweep
I played mabi back when it first started in g1 and g2 and I can say I just started a brand new acc and went through g1 g2 and g3 within 4-5 days... it feels accelerated and less grindy tbh.... and way more rewarding when you are soloing. I remember back then you couldn't solo shit and that's what made me quit
thats exactly what mad eme quit, now you can nearly solo anything. everything you get in game can be taken into end game> D blades selling for 30 mil on board with demonic blades selling at 50k. yes you lose some damage, but not enough to care if your f2p and casual.
I started playing this game when I was 11 in 2008, and I really grew up on it. Some of my absolute best MMO memories or experiences are things that happened in this game, and I've gotten some lifelong friendships out of it. For awhile my laptop couldn't handle combat without crashing, and in 2 years I fell so behind that it stopped feeling worth it to even try to catch up. It's a shame because at my core, I will always love Mabinogi for the unique playing experience it was and the incredible stories I have from it, but I've come to terms with the fact that it's not the same game I loved anymore. Mabi HEAVILY influenced how I do character design so it'll always leave it's mark on me creatively, but I can't see myself going back for anything long term. I started playing XIV since I realized that even with the monthly sub, it would take YEARS for me to spend on it what I've spent on Mabi in the past with it's predatory cash system. Turns out I was right, switching to XIV has saved me money by an awful turn of events. It;s not the same freeform experience Mabi was, but it's still a good one and I've started making new fun MMO memories. I also re-created my Mabi character IN XIV so she's coming with me lmao.... I loved you Mabi but damn, I think it's time we see other people 💀
What felt like the last straw for me was a bit over a year ago, when they did a preview stream of upcoming content for new Apostle Raids in G21, but 90 percent of the stream were the GMs showing off the Re:Zero gachapon and then they went to show Hasidim and Zebach and they couldn't even fucking set up their gear, it really just told me that they only see the game as a cash grab to get people to buy gachapon while giving a big slap to the face for the actual gameplay and content for a pretty major update of the game. I've been on and off for the new story but honestly the nostalgia and memories for this game is completely one-sided by the people that run it that don't really care other than making the microtransactions feel predatory by limiting your freedom to get stronger in other ways.
Sorry to go on a rant on a subject that everyone's heard about but if the north american servers were likely handled better then they probably wouldn't be faced with a dying online population.
See this is a shame and why i think rydian needs to come back and give a cover of the game again. alot of the problems have been addressed and are beign addressed thanks to the new Director, Mabi is still going strong in the west. some issues are lingering but are soon being addressed, its july 2022 as i write this we just got the commerce update and are due part 2 in 3 weeks, dont let this somewhat outdated video discourage you from coming back, all Servers have been merged into 1 as well now. so no matter what server you were on, youll be playing with the rest of the mabi community on the NA version so if you do come back, feel free to note foxegirl
Every time I think about the time i had with this game, there's a brief window where I get nostalgic for the story....only to remember how abyssmal the game is to actually play. Definitely enjoyable for its time, but I will forever be glad my friends and I moved to FFXIV back in like, 2017
Spot on. I was a veteran player that spent a week with MabiPro to relive some nostalgia. I deleted my main off of the official server once I quit, the game became something different than the reasons that drew me to it to begin with. I loved how methodical, paced, and 'dangerous' the combat felt, particularly at low levels. One misplay on your part meant a Goblin or a Bear would fuck you up in a single combo. It felt real, gritty, and didn't hold your hand. As opposed to any other game, it didn't reward you for mashing or running headlong into enemies like a tornado of death. You had to manage aggro, you had to slow down, you had to sit the fuck down with your party in the middle of a dungeon, set up a campfire and heal everyone up. It's become a creative goal of mine to make a spiritual successor to Chapter 1 Mabi that draws on those same gameplay elements.
Please tell me you sent this to them via the user survey... this is the most in-depth explanation of what's wrong with this game that I've seen yet (Not that they'll listen anyways, but thank you)
Mabinogi has disastrous gacha content... most OP gears are only obtained thru gacha... yea u can buy it off players but w insane amount of money... yea
joey kim Saint Guardian is EVERYWHERE after server merge, yet people want AT LEAST 275m~400m depending on items reforges, enchants and if it’s leather for the main armor piece
@@theophanyy5698 yup thats Mabinogi's economy for you. run by Greedy capitalist Pigs. (NOT a diss at capitalism, Dont get your panties in a twist capitalists) but sadly this is what happens in a Free market. the wealth gets piled up into so few hands that they decide the state of the economy and if your not favourable your left in the dust. its why BDO's economy is such a success.
26:00 I've had the same thing happen recently while I was smithing some iron bars for the latest gen. Difference was, I was using Windows built-in magnifier tool to try and get a better hit. In both your case and mine, we have some kind of imaging software looking over the interface. This seems like it could be intentional, which given everything else you've covered in this video, would not surprise me.
Yeah the detection existing is intention, the fact that it randomly triggers on players not (purposely) using screen reading software is the problem they refuse to fix.
I come back to this video to show my friends to not touch Mabinogi, I even warned my friends from other games to shy away from any game like this if its against the old vision the game used to have. I even warn them that change doesn't always mean right, it could mean the end of the game you once loved.
2023: Things that have changed or are no longer relevant in this video. Damage Ratios have been adjusted to be more even. Close Combat and Archery, since they were examples in this video, have gotten buffs to keep up with damage scaling of new talents. Unbalanced stacking is still an issue, but erg is being adjusted to give more for 1h and wands, and different grades of erg will be introduced to lower the cost (B grade, A grade, and S grade where S grade is the current system and the lower grades have reduced benefits for significantly reduced material costs and a system to increase the grade later. For example, many in KR are preferring to use lower grades to bypass needing song stardust for erg 20 break.) Most end game content still has DPS checks, but Crom does not have the sins that Tech Missions comit. The only disabled/freedom restricted skill in Crom is Campfire, and the mobs encourage reactions to their mechanics (though still not based on them loading skills as it was back in the day), and bosses have attack indicators. The DPS checks in Crom only exist at higher difficulties of the dungeon, and normal difficulty only includes a hit count check. The DPS check is also much more tame, more similar to 7N clerics than Feth. Beauty Slots now allow you to save hair, face, eyes, and mouth. You get 3 slots each (12 total) for free and can use them at any time with no costs. Gone are the days of being unable to switch your hair and worrying about getting the old style back. They do monetize this by selling additional slots for Pon, but it is not a repeat cost.
We now have the 64 bit client. No more memory crashes. Overall improved performance, but there are still bugs. P2W still prevalent, but Saint Guardian and other gacha armors are becoming regularly available in the in game Tara Auction. Reforges are now available from in game shops in somewhat limited suppy (~20 per week) but overall are much more available to players who don't use the cash shop.
The crafting minigames have been adjusted in a skill rework so the teleporting doesn't happen anymore as far as I'm aware. I, at least, have not experienced it at all since then... And I've done a lot of crafting since then.
No one is going to come back if the gold inflation still exist. I read a post in discord on "how to earn money quick in mabi" and the answers were not nice... It's basically the same thing over again, login multiple alts to get fynni gems to sell, selling things from the new update/event. Who the hell is going to play when a endgame lance charge set cost billions of gold? I can keep trying for all eternity and will still never be op.
You think they'll fix all this and in 6 months? :0 tbf I've left several times. Every time that I come back, I feel a little lost and there's a lot of new stuff to learn. But I always get back to the point of leaving again because these types of issues got worse.
@@MeriDoug its because as you said... you came back. We all try to quit the game because of how bad it is to us but like an abusive spouse we keep coming back hoping it changed or tryinf to recapture the magic
@@adreamtmonochrome the Server merge was a colossal help to player. i now have more people i can play with. the only mistake was not including alexina into the merge. but the developers have stated they are looking to include it in the near future.
The Enchants that you mentioned; the Creepy and Haunted enchants that are on the scrolls that you still have to enchant. They are rank 3 enchants. So with Divine powder, 23% success rate; Thurs. bonus 24% success rate. That way, when you fail 20 tries (and yes, it's happened), you can just buy more gacha! It's why some people were willing to just pay $100.00 USD because then they just have it. And possibly for cheaper than buying gachas. I keep trying to convert you to liking turtles; they're great as a soup!
I was surprised he didn't also mention how scrolls of that rank can permanently destroy your items if you don't buy the enchant protection pots from the cash shop
It was by luck I had enough in-game money to get the gachapon pets; one of the snowman pets and one of the ceraunus. I feel bad for everyone else who could not afford the pets to buy them from a seller, or have the patience with getting them from the gacha. The movement of including more and more new items in the gachapon is a scary direction for Mabinogi.
I do miss the combat tactics and being deathly afraid of running Albey hat I wasn't until g3 that I attempted to fight Glas. I also do miss the open-end-ness of weapons. Sure there were weapons that were better than others. But you could use different weapons according to your playstyle.
I think alot of recent updates and future mentioned updates will address alot of these issues to a degree. New management seems to care about balance again and interviews showing intent or at least recognition of older stunted tapering rewards and progress.
There's a few things not mentioned in the video that could have been, though I'd understand why they weren't. First that the gacha not only makes exclusive items that can only be created upon spending money, it over the course of it's existence has consistently devalued any items you could possibly make yourself. More precisely it made the life skills section of Mabi devoid of value if it involved actually crafting equipment. Tailoring and Blacksmithing were notorious for being black holes of gold to train, and at the end of the day the reward you get out of it is a skill that can't craft anything that comes out on par with gacha. There were also collection books where the reward was a unique piece of gear that was more fashion than actually value, and of course those were also put in gachas. The sheer amount of equipment meant to be obtained through special means that they just stuffed into the gacha at a later date is mind numbing. I've not played since 2016 so I'm not sure if this still applies to the current best equipment but this killed alot of the drive for people to life skill in the early gens. Another thing that really bothered me was how skill training in Mabi regressed to such a mediocre state. The system of using skills to gain exp before you can rank them up is already a more uncommon concept in alot of MMOs, however the different methods of training is what made so many skills infinitely more interesting to train. I understand the CP system made this somewhat outdated over time, however in the beginning you are able to train skills in faster methods compared to what was released. The most iconic being training Windmill at Zombies, compared to what new skills got. I remember looking at Smokescreen and just thinking to myself, wow I sure would love to use this skill four thousand times. I guess they were wise enough to realize how awful the new training methods were and added training potions for them as well. There's more I could think of but those two things in particular stood out to me alot more as time went on.
I use to play this game religiously back in they day for 8 years. Stopped after i moved to EU and couldnt play as well on NA servers anymore. I wish i could go back to play it but after playing other MMO the engine is 90% the reason why i wont come back to it. If they actually updated the engine and made the game run smother I would still be playing it to this day.
Good video. This game died when they substituted the director behind hard dungeon revamp + phantasm for the one we have currently. There's one good aspect of current combat though which is pet management, but even that is restricted and hides behind paywalls. Bad game is bad.
are you referring to the revamp where they just increased all the HP numbers of the monsters int he dungeons. so what used to take 1 hit to bring down by a strong player, now takes 10-20? because if you are. that revamp was honestly the worst update theyve ever made to the game. and i still resent it to this day. its single handledly the one reason why i dungeon only 0.01% of the time nowadays as before it i would dungeon about 50% of the time. if their problem was players were steamrolling through it. well thats the nature of these sort of games, over time players become so powerful older content becomes a cakewalk. if its lack of challenge, well they got that with phantasm and even then couldve instead added a HM room, Abyss difficulty and a phantasm difficulty to each uladh dungeon.
@@TheFallinhalo Dungeon revamp was released same time as phantasm. They were all challenging. And it wasn't about just raising their HP. The reward pool and new gear pool that came with it was pretty damn good. Also "so what used to take 1 hit to bring down by a strong player, now takes 10-20?" they increased the experience gains of said dungeons as well to make up for this. So you fought a way harder dungeon, not just HP wise keep in mind it was actually difficult too, and got rewarded way more for it. As opposed to what came with the new director. Memento (echostones) endless grind with almost no returns, erg, the worst system ever implemented, etc.
@@LukeLTD can you really say the reward pool was pretty good when the new gear needed things with a super low drop rate, and on top of that needed potentially hundreds of those super rare materials to craft. Like, looking at your loot table you put in 200 runs of phantasm, and I'm gonna go ahead and assume those were ran with alts on so you could get as many drops as you could, you got 2 solite, only need 98 more and then 100 lunite and 50 fate fragments and a duskblade and dawnblade to craft yourself a soluna meme blade. Duskblade and Dawnblade aren't even actual weapons they're just crafting materials. Between your phantasm and Rundal runs shown in the table, coming up to 290 dungeon runs you got 4 amplified alch crystals, just need about 4 more to be able to craft a celtic tetra. Not to mention how all these new weapons take specific things to make that are only good for one thing. The alchemy crystals just for the tetra at a super low rate, the subtle marks exclusively for the celtic throwing star, firm blade fragments for celtic knuckles, thank god cleansed mages gems and shattered black metal is good for two weapons, the celtic control bars and celtic dowras, of which neither can have a 100% success rate so if god blessed you well enough to get the mats to make them he can damn well curse you to fail your craft and have to start all over. Oh and the actual gear that can drop, one whole cosmetic succubus queen boots after running phantasm 201 times. It's definitely way better than the rng on memento and erg but god damn that's some rng. The quality of the content is better, but the rewards for doing the content are still crazy low.
@@LukeLTD the Reward pools were lackluster even after the Update. infact they made it more tedious. now if i want to run Alby Adv HM and get the bonus chests at the end i have to find 3 others willing to slog throught hat dungeon just for 2 chests each. when before the update i was allowed to enter on my own. and get all of the chests long as i had the keys to do so, which ive had in my inv for years (80-100 Keys worth of cocoons) "they increased the experience gains of said dungeons as well to make up for this" i never once cared about the Exp gains. because for me if i wanted exp id go run SM's and now baltane missions. "So you fought a way harder dungeon, not just HP wise keep in mind it was actually difficult too, and got rewarded way more for it" Oh Yay.....a dungeon that took me 5 minutes to clear now takes me 30 minutes to clear and for what? 100 extra gold and oh whats this? a item to craft a potion which boosts the success rate of a crafting skill by 1% for 1 usage......Big whoop. "Memento (echostones) endless grind with almost no returns, erg, the worst system ever implemented, etc." .....im sorry what? you do realise those echostones can give huge stat boosts right? and on top of that you can get certain and even exclusive reforges. FH cooldown and FH Duration being 2 of them which prior required P2W to acquire. and Erg while they have a really high Investment cost can Pay out really well in the end. as 2 handers at erg 50 give you crazy survivability benefits.
I agree to every point you made in this and after coming back and trying to enjoy it again I'm definitely quitting and won't be back. Just wish there was a game like it or similar.
I like this video, aside from the part where you are praising the "tactical" nature of old combat. That has been dead for a very long time, way before chain blades. That was dead even in the original incarnation of the game when you hit TL ~300. I agree with the general principle, that melee in it's original form (ie before bash) is basically Mabinogi's "intended" combat, and the other skillsets are very one dimensional in comparison. You can stretch the same comparison to basically any skillset even in old school mabi. "Enemy is loading x? Just mag" "Enemy is loading y? Just mag" "Enemy is loading x? Just flame burst" "Enemy is loading y? Just flame burst" etc... Nothing in the game stopped you from spamming those skills even back then.
What pushed me over the edge was not the fact that stronger things were available at all, it's that so many options are getting locked off and we're getting cornered into only a few options that we're allowed to use. When I started playing Mabinogi I enjoyed it because I could mix and match combat and try out lots of things, but that's getting less and less true the newer the content is.
I mean to be fair, I recall even before alch firebolt spam was basically top tier (not that firebolt spam really ever left top tier since it's still pretty damn good despite the fact that magic is weak as hell right now)... The only real restrictions to firebolt spamming back then were mana, mana evaporation preventing you from switching weapons and repair costs to a certain extent. But even then, higher level players had plenty of mana potions to deal with mana and mana evaporation and a backup wand or four for running stuff. Tactics were something that people relied on when they start the game with basically nothing and lost when they got r1 windmill/firebolt/mag shot to spam on enemies.
I 100% agree with the newer content dps checks making you feel forced to use skill-sets that you don't want to use but are forced. The slower and more strategic combat replaced with fast paced brain dead dps. Don't get me wrong I love mabinogi and playing with a mix of skills and tactics. I love magic because it took time to prepare but deals a lot of damage when used right and but the neglect toward older content makes the game horrible for player freedom.
I can't remember if this was intended as a sandpark or a gacha game. Now that Peria Chronicles is cancelled, it makes me pretty sad there no new anime sandbox/park MMOs in planning. Now I gotta decide between Eve, or BDO as my mainstay...maybe look into Legends of Aria. I still like the game but my only gripe with the game is that everyone has all these big bags expect me and I'm pretty sure they are from the gacha. =|
Randomly found this video, guess I'll put my newbie input here to add to this Nexon argument: after a week of trying I gave up on the game entirely with the eternal login errors, stilted combat that seems to be getting somewhere but it actually doesn't and an interface that's outdated even when put in comparison to a relatively ancient game like Everquest 2 which I picked up at about the same time so I'm fresh on both. Most of the interface issues I imagine are engine limitations while other features are artifacts of old from the initial release, stuff I could've learned to use efficiently if I had the patience for it I imagine but in the end of course haven't, I didn't even reach the point where I could experience the aggressive monetization you mentioned though on every rebirth I had Ialways accidentally selected something that costed Pons to unlock and I was yelled each time to buy some. Life skilling was the main thing that convinced me to give the game a try as a chill experience with lively NPCs as surrogates in the absence of game pals but I found it hard to get how one is supposed to be introduced with, the tutorial was 95% combat and 5% picking a single egg, was that supposed to be all there was to it about life skills? Compare Runescape in which life skills are what take the longest to introduce and combat is about as complex (though most of the work is in the setup rather than reactive actions), also dungeons aren't isolated combat-only areas and life skilling will give you an edge inside them trough the scrounging up of gear and food. Long story short: to one who isn't attached by cheerful memories of the past, Mabinogi is a hard pass as a game that's bad in every possible aspect save for some social aspects and unique aesthetics at least as it currently is, there may not be many games that scratch the same itch but in order for this itch to be scratched properly the game needs a complete redo.
The blacksmith minigame's mouse teleportation doesn't happen from some people. Nexon saying it works as intended means they intend it to be arbitrarily unfair for some computers? In the past I could get around to pay2win by earning gold from missions and buying from other players. But Nexon has screwed the economy by injecting so much gold into it that the only way to make a good amount of gold in a decent time is to sell gachas or other cash shop stuff. Also doesn't help that they nerf gold from missions like Conflict.
The teleporting is an anti-botting measure, the problem is that it triggers randomly for people who aren't botting. It "works as intended" because it is supposed to teleport (on botters). They just don't care to fix the false positives (it triggering on normal users). They don't appear to want players to succeed at blacksmithing and this is one aspect that slows down player progress (along with the random click miss).
Your videos are always insightful and well made/paced. I mind a lot of the things you mentioned, but honestly there is no other game like mabinogi in my eyes. I really like the game and I think that outweighs my dislike for many of the points you've made. Anyway, you're such a legend, for those that know what you have to done for the game and its community. Thank you for all your effort.
Hey, I am a Mabi player & a game developer in China. By watching this video I realize why Nexon is milking this game harder and harder over the years. In China, we basically only have F2P games. And the industry has developed a fanbase used to and LOVE gacha system. And we have lots of rich players we called "Big R", they are willing to spend a ridiculous amount of money in-game (this experience is not available in traditional paid games). That's actually a gold mine for game developers, for you can sell the same product for thousands of times the price here. But the high payback also increases the development standard. Like Genshin Impact, the quality is really high to achieve（$100 million）, and only F2P system could motivate the investment.
I would've gone back the moment they did their server merge... until I realized Alexina wasn't included. Server merge aside, Bacchum boost killed the game for me as it activating in pvp was broken.
The arguments in this video are valid but there's a very simple reason for all of these problems: Mabinogi is a very old game that makes Nexon a LOT of money. Historically, balancing skills or removing them can affect the overall health of the game, upsetting people and making them quit (and its impossible to make everyone happy with a change). Cash shop is a cash grab that exist because the players allow it (myself included). We toss money at them repeatedly for this stuff so they continue doing it. The bugs: it's an old game that wasn't designed to be optimal from the ground up. Your reasoning is logical and I can empathize with your frustrations but the bigget picture is the game is very. Very. Old. Any changes made at this stage of the very non-optimized and old game have a far greater chance of harming it than helping it.
not to mention the engine itself is being worked on by people who are very unfamiliar with it. as the original teams that created and knew the engine inside and out have moved on to newer and bigger projects which im happy for them but its a shame since the games Code is a complex thing barely anyone understands at the current team. so it makes fixing the game harder
Harm it? Laugh out loud! What?! Harm it? Nobody from North America is playing this game and they are suffering from it. Change does not always result in harm. Especially not in this case. C’mon. Are you seriously gonna make that statement seeing and knowing the current status of this game? Folks have put endless hours, spent dime after dime and for what? Harm. The only one whose been hurt by this is the player base. The numbers are there.
@@ReazyRe yes. "harm it". changing one little thing can have HUGE effects. Whehther that be on the economy, or how much money the game is making. there are issues already that i would LOOVE to see fixed, but the fact of the matter is that this game is an old, broken mess held together with tape and gachapon. Despite the money weve put into it or how much the right change would HELP us, theres no true telling what the right change would be. The balance issues were probabaly included with the intent to help us and ba;ance the game... but look where it got us instead. in theory maybe it looked like a good idea, but in the long run it cause damage. so yes, at this stage, with an old, buggy,unoptimized, unbalanced, barely-on-its-legs game.. a change really CAN send it all crashing down. or not. its a risk that they arent willing to take. but i wish it were that easy..
I quit once g13 hit. I could see it all going down hill very quickly around that time. Server was so shitty awful lags and crashes. Insane duping problems. Trying to solo hm shadow missions as a 3k elf was even getting difficult cause the server would lag so badly if I couldn’t swap aggro with a pet before the lag finished or hope the mob hopefully go into som defense or counter stance I’d just get 1 shot and die when the lag would finish up.. But man did i spend tons of time on this game. I loved it. Still do. Just absolute trash now. Focus on fashion and pets for monotization. Make a free 2 week rebirth no matter what age. For everyone. Cap that rebirth rate for everyone in my opinion. But let the exp curve be a little less insane. I remember it would take me a full couple days to ding 120 I’d rebirth and instantly go into grind mode for 2-3 days but once i hit 80-100 its just a giant wall to level up back then. And pvp was awesome! I loved the pvp system back then. Skilled Rock Paper Scissors. Bad camera angels aswell. And having to use mods to zoom out further and to see cp. kinda dumb. Give me an item that shows cp and an option to zoom out less than 7 feet. Old school player back in Alexina. My name was HotArrow. Leader of the mighty armadildos 2.5k elf hahaha. Fricking loved this game. Such great memories!
I just re-installed this game last night to start playing again after 5 years break and then I found this video. The game is not on my computer anymore.
Half of Mabinogi’s appeal was freedom to live a virtual life...if freedom is being restricted and power creep has risen alongside a DPS-meta focus...that’s fucked.
Yeah bro, The reason i'm only playing mabinogi rn is due to it's my childhood game, and it's still some-what fun here and there, But as today's mabinogi, it's ass, and unfair, and yes....ive spoke with the mabinogi devs and staff team before, due to my account was lost, and....they werent acting professional at all, they were getting angry etc, but ofc i got it back, but it took 6 months to get my account back for no reason, The power scaling is super unbalanced, like super unbalanced, pay to win, YEP, pvping isnt the same anymore due to the new brokenly op stuff they've added, also they are lazy to actually make good progress in-game, atleast update dungeons and balance the game, smh
Very critical, but very necessary. That is the last time I play a game without learning about the companies behind it. It took 10 years to open my eyes but I'm glad I did. Thank you for this because I have quit. If I ever do play, I don't spend on it. It's a cash-grab greedy attempt at a decent MMO. I will wait for Amazon's New World and see how that fares.
I ranked all the skills, paid for combo cards, collected all enchants and enhancement equipment and still could not do as much damage as other players. The only benefit to alchemy was agro control. 😂
While I realize this is two years late, some of the DPS check complaints/balances and such were from KR feed back, specifically a lot of the old time KR players felt a ton of content was incredibly weak. As a whole though, this was their attempt to Modernize the game as well. Most raid mechanic in MMO's have DPS check or wipe mechanics, and builds toward the late game lean into one or two classes, take guild wars 2 for example, as you get deeper into the late game with raids, you start noticing entire classes and sub-classes falling off. Such is the poison of min/maxing.
the destruction of the classic deliberated strategic rock paper scissors style combat started a decade ago with the introduction of alchemy, and that's when i quit. also you forgot about content that requires you to grind down brionac durability on the boss just to be able to do non meaningless damage to it and brionac in general is another game ruining aspect that the game needed to NOT have shoehorned into it
It's my personal theory that it actually began with the introduction of the first exploding pet: The Crystal Reindeer, in 2011. Everything went downhill from that point forward, as it made the consequences of going into a fight with no planning or caution null. If an enemy can't react to you because they are stunned by 10 of your splodey pets, why is there any reason to play carefully? This even predated the Genesis update, which removed Windmill's i-frames in 2012; which bothered me in particular because windmill was one of the most common ways players would avoid taking damage from enemies like field bosses and multi-aggro. With each new pet having some kind of exploding effect that was more egregious than the last, they were already well on their way to changing the meta to suit the cash shop, rather than the other way around. I wouldn't hold alchemy responsible for this, as it was more of an expansion of magic (had all the elements, trigged magic standers) with only a little added utility, which didn't do very much damage anyway until its rework much later. Adding new talents/skills is probably the only correct direction they could've gone, if they'd only followed a more down to earth and traditional format, like all the other skill tabs.
I'd say try MabiPro but I'm sure you have. It just sucks losing your progress over the course of years of playing just to play on a more stable and balanced version of Mabi. About 4 years of content in my case (on the account that wasn't hacked, maybe 9 years in total). There is extra content, but not as much as the official version either. Miss the game but any version of it wears me out pretty quick
frankly theres 1 other problem the game has. its a community driven problem but can be fixed by the developers. but its a problem that damages the play ability of the game and especially for new players. the egregiously broken economy. items selling into the 50-100's mil range when your average player is only making at BEST 1m a day when doing what the game has to offer outside of the market.
The way to fix a broken economy is by merging servers, which they have done except for Alexina :(. So there is now an increased supply of items as the playerbase of Nao has increased, which will now help the demand that was there. Additionally, the less valued items will also be bought more as there will be more demand for that already high supply. Alexina's economy will stay bad, but thankfully we aren't too horrible yet.
At 23:29 or so I said you'd have to use a trade unlock on the weapon, but that's wrong. You actually have to remove the appearance scroll from the weapon (using an item Nerys sells) before it can be traded... which destroys the appearance, you don't get the scroll back.
@svenm sandity What are ON (your xp hardly reflects the majority of players')?
I only don’t like copycat games like Mabinogi and the other games. I want something like MMORPG in anime/manga adaptation. I’m sure there is a lack of tool equipments, highly skilled groups and staffs, and etc. I mean, they have to examine or experiment the game they made before it can be freely played in every players.
Experiment your work before it can be used as a game.
You can save appearance scrolls now in the dressing room
Being an old player that quit a while ago because of these things, thinking about rejoining, hoping to god that they fixed any of these things...
You sir, saved me a lot of time and money, thank you
I also checked this video just in the right time... we should never go back
You could always check out MabiPro? it's a Mabinogi private server mabi.pro/
Game Lax whoa whoa whoa... that shit exists?!
@@GameLax01010 so how does it work? How does Nixon allow it?
@@thecasuallongsword The short answer: They don't.
The longer answer: It's a mess of do and don't that is keeping essentially all private servers alive, A good example would be how none of them actually sell anything, It's all run through donations and that's just one out of a couple of ways private servers avoid getting sued or closed down.
I used to play on the Ruairi server as Ouray. I used to loved the shit out of this game and spent almost every day after school throughout my early grade school and high school playing this. I had so many fond memories here as I spent countless hours just sitting in Dunbarton talking with friends, PvPing them sometimes, and arranging for dungeons and quests and such. I met my first love over it too. We meme'd, found bugs, goofed around, and it's made such an impression on me; I even remember the usernames still by heart for some of them, 10 years later.
Everything used to take time, thinking, pattern recognition, and some modicum of skill on top of the stats to get through anything. The player was this fragile little worm that needed to control the pace of the combat lest they got steamrolled over. Now, everyone is just a one man army that steamrolls everything else, at least for veterans. Never mind the new player experience, who often times get left behind now because new players are so rare now, people want nothing to do with the older content and thus feel lonely. I never had to feel this way when I played back during its hay day, where there was always at least one person in every corner of every map for some reason or another, but going back to it now as a former veteran, years later just to check on it and get some nostalgia factor, I can easily see just how low and deprived it's become.
It breaks my heart to see a game I held so fondly reduce itself to a shameless cash cow milking players for every cent. This game threw away its old identity and went in a path it should never have, and it all started with reforges. They saw how us kids for the time were not prepared for the gimmick of online gambling via reforge spam and decided to double down on this as their business model, and we can see it continue onto today, much to the detriment of the overall health of the game. Never have I seen such vicious, deplorable, aggressive manipulation by devs to orchestrate making the game feel as unplayable as possible to coax people into forking over cash to make it bearable.
It's such a shame because this game had sooo much potential but it was utterly, unbelievably, horribly *wasted* . I keep checking on it from time to time, season after season, year by year, just to see how it is, to see maybe a miracle might happen and the devs start FIXING things instead of breaking them more and more. Maybe one day it will go back to the way it used to be.
I feel the same way. I couldn't have said better myself. I loved this game when i played it years ago. Now that im working and need to live the real life, it's sad to realize that there won't be any game like this in the future for me. Anyway i also check this game ocassionally, and this video brought me back the nightmares about their cash shop and convinced me to stay away from this game.
Well if you ever come back I'm Louievee on Alexina and Jackzero on Nao servers
Ooooo Ouray xD here Rez0 noe day play as Link , o u o and yep game going in a spin to hell , hopefully we the mileatians keep it alive... well its vey hard now days add more ppl to the game but I always try .. well unnow days I restric m sellft to not follow the meta game play,always the wrong way hahaha just like my melee elf o u o hope see you ine of this day bye xD
Any chance there's enough of us with dev skills to do it better? Any chance we can collectively pull the resources to do it better? Take the route with the players in mind with the kind of combat and freedom Mabi offered back then? Do it justice?
@@ryanmcclelland9824 There is already something like that, it's a private server and it's called MabiPro mabi.pro/
Ran into you in dunby and you ended up giving me some nice outfits. I appreciated it but it was a surprise! Just wanted to say thank you again, Ry~
It's so sad to see this, I used to play a lot of Mabi, was mod of Mabination for years, Mabi was life. It's so depressing to see what has happened to it. A game with so much potential. Used to have the best combat system of any MMO ever.
100%. But let's be real. Nexon was always a greedy company. It was true in maplestory times, it was true after mabinogi was released.
I miss playing this but it's just gotten so bad. But I guess I'll live without it as long as I have the piano theme saved.
Brownay hanstone makes the best music. I have searched far and wide and haven't found anything to compare. Check hanstone out on SoundCloud.
"works as intended"
Oh hey, so does the uninstall button :)
butt hurt anime weeb detected.
I watched this vid again and was just astonished by how well you made this vid... I really wish NEXON America sees this and report it to KR HQ (even tho I doubt that will ever happen)
this is really sharp criticism I love it. good job.
That cash shop alone is reason enough for me to stay the hell away.
This so much gach after gach while the poor sm and dungeon loot tables suffer so many items that ONLY COME FROM GACH.
It really is that bad, I try and bring it up in the discord mabinogi chat as in saying "guys this is not ok"
and everyone just acted like it's normal and there is nothing wrong with it, but seeing how some of the players play I understand, i mean it really looks like it's the only game they play, and they're playing it alll the time, so I can see why they spend alot of money on it
@@NemoTheGlover I enjoy the game very much, It's normally the only game I play so I don't mind spending money on it. It's true there's a lot of issues with the late game content, but it takes years to make a character strong enough to get there.
@@josephdecker5660 exactly what I mean, people have no issues spending hundredths of dollars on it because it's the only game the play. Its addictive, and I'm not denying that, the community is pretty decent too, simply saying, the cash shop can get ridiculous.
I’m glad that the game hasn’t changed since I left, now I can keep ignoring it and go back to league of legends
I just returned to Mabinogi three days ago after being gone for 3-4 years, saw this video, and now I'm uninstalling every Nexon game I have...
As a game dev, I can't tolerate treating your players this way. They've lost my respect.
You're a game dev? Nice. What company?
I think the recent loot box controversy caused them to double down on their actions, because they realize they aren't as notorious as EA and is under the radar?
Then someone should blow the whistle on them to scare them a bit.
I am sure nexon will suffer greatly without your business
Mabi used to be good to me, then it started to beat and abuse me. *Cries*
I left Mabinogi around 2013 when reforges release and that completely broke the game for me. Before you were meant to get stronger through training yourself such as windmill training, carpentry, etc. Since I was a warrior, I essentially raised my strength to the maximum possible besides some small bonuses such as +8 STR from Fireball and when this system came out it broke my heart. Before you had to put in time effort and shit and now they added reforges which was random upgrades which can potentially make my damage increase by 100%.
It was such bullshit. I first started playing around G2 and this game kept getting worse after shadow missions and continent warp led to dunbarton instead of Tir Chonail. It destroyed any sense of community left where back then everyone gathered around Ciar. Before as a newbie, you were able to log in and see all the people selling stuff at Tir Chonail but when I left... it was an empty wasteland. Reforges was the last straw in the back. And I also think that shadow missions also greatly played in the downfall where as before you had a reason to party with newbies to farm for passes... now no use really. There was also the issue of pets AoE summons becoming too powerful, the new classes such as bard's attack buff(which was bullshit that it lasted so long when you only played it for 3 secs), etc etc.
So sad the game turned out this way. I do admit that they made some good changes such as allowing players to rebirth for free at age 20, but god damn do the rest of the changes killed the game for me.
Mabinogi was GOOD 10 years ago but now…
True.
IT WAS MY FIRST GAME WHEN I WAS LIKE 7 OK DONT HATE IT PREPARED ME FOR BLACK DESERT : ) BDO STOLE ARMOR SETS FROM MABI BTW
@@craigwesley1504 DEV cat developers worked on Black desert as well as vindictus. The character creation/editor menu or screen is almost exactly the same as vindictus
Mabinogi was GOOD 10 years ago but now…its BETTER.
And yes im serious about that because its true.
I just wish there were more games like old mabinogi
Just recently left and don’t plan on returning. The nail in the coffin for me was the implementation of DPS. Mabinogi has always been a grind. I never had an issue with that grind, when things actually felt obtainable.
Now I feel like you have to max out all your stats, max your level to 40k, and spend an absolute boat load of gold on mid/high end gear. Players shouldn’t be locked out, or feel left out of any content in the game. Mabinogi has become an extremely toxic environment for players that don’t have the time, or money to rush into end game content.
I started playing mabinogi when gen 1 came out in America and I was hooked. I loved mabinogi because I felt so free to be able to play a character that could be and do whatever they wanted. It really felt like a fantasy life simulation back then. Even shopping on the store for a new pet occasionally was super fun! It's so sad to see my favorite mmorpg be ruined by greedy ass hats.
Can't wait to see you in mabipro.
+1 for this comment. I have no idea why anyone would want to deal with Nexon when there's a private server out there running a build with virtually none of these issues. Not to mention this tiny team releases ORIGINAL CONTENT (events and even 2 new expansions / generations) on a regular basis. They've shown more care for this game than the actual devs have.
@@euea4 They just released a new dungeon called Arcane Library which adds a new kind of crafting skill: Runecrafting.
@@euea4 Name of the server?
8:23 Didn't even realize that was a tactic. Everytime I did G1 I had someone just burst it down due to the insane powercreep the game has been suffering from.
They've been milking this game for too long. We want a Mabinogi 2!!!
The unbalanced combat layer balance is honestly my #1 hated thing in this game since it started down the power creep path.
Everything else I can tolerate and live with. But there's a special kind of frustration to have my Archery out damaged by Chain Blade.
When you have a bare bones enchanted high roll Bhafel Hunter+Huntress combo, a Magnum 19 / Bow Mastery 17 dual reforged Bohemian Glove, and a Bohemian Set that has a total value of approximately 300m+ in the current Alexinian market be unable to hit a 10k Magnum Shot consistently on Feth Zombies.
Meanwhile a freshly made Cutthroat Chain Blade off of the AH with a Fierce enchant slapped on for a total value of approximately 2m... Hits 10k+ on Feth Zombies.
Chain Blade receives so much up front power, and yet other skill sets have to work so freaking hard just to get to the baseline power level of Chain Blade. Why even bother then? It's just luxury and fun to even do so rather than rewarding.
Even though you pay real money for DPS in order to run DPS gated content, I can at least buy the DPS I need using gold eventually. But there's nothing like having spent 300m and still doing less damage than a near NPC tier item. WHILE STILL USING A META SKILL. Since, after all Magnum Shot does get stealth nerfed.
I've been playing Mabinogi lately, and I thought it was a game I wanted to play despite it being clunky, but the gacha system really broke my heart. I don't mind if it's for outfits, but hair, eyes, and all that... instead of being able to just buy them as pon really sucks. I don't mind paying more money for what is intrinsic to a character's appearance, but locking it in gacha just really kills the game for me.
Misses the days when I grind rundal normal each week to lv50 for Rebirths.
Skeletons are gentlemen!!!
XD well was so good the times of Ciar dungeon loby looking for partys hahahaha but yea it sucks when you need reach rundal runing take like 30mins because moongate never were when you need them hahaha
I remember Glas. As a joke I 1 shot him with a pile of gold. Gold Strike, hilarious but expensive.
Played on and off since the beta...
I miss having to prepare to run dungeons. Mages wouldn't use their wands right away because good god those were expensive just hold out until they were near the boss or on the lower levels where it begins getting challenging. People would bring wood and food to make campfires so you could actually recover in the dungeon as if I'm remembering correctly the only wound remedy was the healer or bandages and that didn't recover stamina. Now there is absolutely no consideration to this aspect as the power creep went to 1000 and you can just storm the halls so quick it doesn't matter. Hell don't even need to do part time jobs now or train skills manually (there's a potion for that!) all you need to do is spend money for it!.
Also you missed being able to pay 2 rank skills and some of the newer skills having incredibly high requirements that you can just bypass with a potion or a 2x training pot with a 2x talent and the pay 4 talents covering far more skills so you don't even need to worry.... Oh almost forgot probably one of the only people that miss Sharp Mind. The more you fought a monster the more you learned about it and eventually your character would intuitively know it's attack meaning all you had to do was watch the bubble instead of the monster.... Now you just watch the bubble but that's been like that for a long time
Overall Mabinogi lost it's charm when it went from Fantasy Life to Anime Life though I was happy with the way they changed premium service.
Been playing off and on since just before the Dugald Aisle barrier to Dunby was broken. The whole feeling and charm the game had is totally gone. I think that's easier to see when you take breaks. You come back and you're like what the heck is taking up my screen now?
Unless it's a guild function there are no more community led events. People don't gather, interact, or help each other like they used to.
As far as I can tell the developers haven't even totally fixed the issues with keyboard inputs from back in the day. It's sad to say goodbye with so many memories. However, if Nexon doesn't care about their game then I won't.
Ah man sharp mind was actually a cool concept. Otherwise you had to pay attention to what the enemy was doing. I don't think it ever mattered how much you fought an enemy though. Wasn't it just skill rank?
I don't know what you are talking about. I started a new character after a long break and it's awesome! Sure, dungeons are easier. but only some of them, others are crazy hard! I'm reading everything i can about the story, and just simply ignoring everything that feels cheaty. You can still do everything like i do, like before, or train skills with cash. Sharp mind was really really cool, i agree. It's not that the game changed that much, but with growing up you lose the ability to immerse yourself. Almost everything in the game it's still there, but now there are easier option too. Choose what you do. i'm ranking atm carpentry because i want to make a bow, not buy one. Because a highlander long bow is in my mind very good gear, and nowdays you can just earn a lot of money way too easy and fast. So I am making one. It took me 3 FULL (13 hours per day) to rank it r4. The charm is not gone, it never was there. It was your dream of living a world. I too was burned out and been on and off. Now, like i said, I am dreaming in mabinogi, while being limited because it's only a game, just. like. before. And i love it so much.
@@Ayce47 You've reinforced my hope. I play the same way. I am the only person i've ever seen on Mari and now Nao that wears a full set of Claus Armor with a Pelican Protector, that the old Royal Knights wear in Emain Macha. I started playing mabi back right before g2 was released and played all throughout the week and weekend with my best friend. It was amazing and immersive, the community was very healthy, active and involved. Things were simply different back then, we had less to work with but that fact really engaged the player and made us more resourceful and honestly play a lot smarter. Now nexon either hands you things or suggest that you pay an arm or a leg just to function up to par. So, i have decided to continue playing the old school way, it is a "Fantasy Life" after all, i want to feel at least some what immersed so if some new aspect of the game doesn't coincide with that, i don't utilize it. That is one of the great things about Mabinogi, to an extent, the game is really what you make of it, a catalyst for your imagination. Yeah the new end game content restricts you immensely and that is very unfair considering all of the options you have now for Talents(classes) but with that aside, there is a lot to do, and i've found that it's quite fun to play with friends you have irl, if they're willing or interested. I'd love to find an RP guild or community in Nao server. Anyway, Mabi is what you Make it. I'm Aquiliusmaximus on Nao, feel free to add me.
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Also a beta tester🙋♀️ they got rid of Sharp Mind? Jeeze, I haven’t played for like six or seven years but seeing that a lot of the tactics are being... I guess simplified and how now it’s pay for skill- I’m leaning towards not coming back
They ruined the economy in the game which is what bugs me the most. What is the point of Life Skills when most of their benefits well do not exist? I Mean what is the point of being a Carpenter when the Bows, Crossbows and Arrows you craft are vastly inferior to the item shop, and Gacha Items? People want to buy the Premium stuff, not the things you can craft. Same goes for Tailors and Blacksmithing as well sadly. Even potion crafting one of the few industries that still exist is semi obsolete at times when big sales come along and people are able to get stacks of premium potions and elixirs from Gacha as random awards. During these times people buy far less potions which makes either crafters to drop prices considerably, or stop selling them all together until the demand returns. Just about all Carpenters are good for anymore is selling firewood... so tragic.
Yep, these days the life to make some prifit its joing the raid gang , so if you ar looky can get a piece of monster for the new stuff
That's so sad :(
Imagine a game changing over the course of 16 years.
Right on the money
@Brennan Lu The main concept is ''be anything you want". The storyline originally was irish mythology but that changed very fast to emcompass anything, from shakespear to Iria to alchemy and more.
I haven’t logged into Mabinogi for probably six or seven years. I was a beta tester for the NA server (got a title for that for the actual game) and really enjoyed playing the game with my sister. Watching this, I feel discouraged about joining the game again. I enjoyed the game due to its tactics, so I cannot appreciate how a single set of skills can override other tactics and be used as the only main sources for combat. Also, now it seems more of a cash cow than an actual game. I fell in that hole before with a different game and I’m not willing to go back to that route again.
You make a lot of good points about the power creep and the cash shop. I wish you well, but I'll still be playing. I have yet to find a free-to-play MMO with as satisfying a solo dungeon crawling experience as Mabinogi, let alone that combined with the same sort of colorful aesthetics (too many games trying too hard to look like reality, not enough cartoony color and softness...).
My biggest gripes with Mabinogi happen to be that there are skills that require you to party up with another player to get and that the game actually charges you for access to the wardrobe feature. Skill acquisition should not be tied to socialization in a game, not even in an MMO. It's as if they forgot that shy, introverted people with social anxiety play these things too.
Also, charging for access to the wardrobe feature in a game where the dissonance between the look of the gear that will give you the best protective benefits and the gear that works best for your character's persona is often quite high is just plain wrong. Wildstar had free access to the wardrobe function for all players, PLUS a dye system where you collected dye colors and they became permanently saved in your collection to be re-used again and again on any piece of clothing you wanted, AND weapon appearance changes were part of that free system by default, AAND you could set the system to hide a specific piece of gear (for example, if you need that helmet's defense boost, but you want your character to have a helmetless appearance, just check a box and, bam, there you go). All I want from Mabi's wardrobe is to be able to use the appearance tab without having to use pon or cash or key items from events and such. It's 2019, a wardrobe function should not be a premium service, it should be default.
RyuTora2808 ikr! I had a quest close to completion and then they told me I needed two other players to complete it
Pso2 is really really good
Came back to watch this a year later again. If only we could get a new game that played like oldschool mabinogi, and wasn't under terrible management.
Bards sharing a song around the campfire in dungeons brings back memories.
i would never able to reach the endgame contents but chain sweeps my way thr the contents
the sole purpose of why I loved the game so much was because of the combat system and how choosing the wrong skills could get you killed... I remember when having 180 was decent for a human... Now all you gotta do is equip a shuriken and spam Kuni storm and are your good and with that renown system giving like 900 hp, stamina, and mp the game just takes less skill...
Really liked this game back when you had to buy books (expensive) or attend classes (cheaper) to learn magic. now you just "pick mage at start lolololxDdd".
enemies used to be deadly if you were struck, now you can quite literally have thousands of hp pretty easily.
It's really sad to me, no other game captured that immersive fantasy feel quite like mabinogi used to.
Nice video!
I couldn't agree more.
I started playing back in the 2009, and I could say the game is playable until late game and until you play with the newer content.
I hit the DPS wall hard when I tried to get past the newer generations.
This is where I stopped playing.
Now I came back after 5 years only to see that the things have gotten even worse.
It's indeed not about the smarts and tactics anymore, it's just about the DPS.
What drew me to this game back in the 2009 was its freedom of choice, lack of classes, the rebirth system, chess-like combat system, how there is so much to do outside combat and seemingly endless opportunities.
However, with recent and not-so-recent changes (most notably the combat revamp), the combat system simply feels dated and clunky.
I wish there was a game which implemented at least some of those features.
A mix of Mabinogi and Vindictus with its impressive battle system and interactive environment (honestly, the battles in Vindictus were so exciting and unpredictable, that it felt like taking part in an action movie) would be a match made in heaven (once you remove all that Nexon nonsense).
It really breaks my heart seeing what's become of Mabinogi.
The only MMORPG I was able to play for more than a couple of months at a time.
I'm very picky when it comes to MMO's, and at first I didn't get the game, but I was mesmerized by its complexity and stayed around.
I hit a total level of over 3000, not counting the other characters.
Mabinogi is a game first made with love and care, just to get milked out and watered down to the point, where it's lost its identity.
To me, it's when they released the reforge system, where the game began to break.
From they point onwards, it just went downhill.
Mabinogi is a perfect example of how a badly thought out monetization can ruin even the greatest game.
I think it's the longest content I've ever posted on UA-cam since its conception, so I'll end now.
See you in Erinn (perhaps)!
Man, watching this brings back some memories. I can't believe i was okay with a lot of the BS this game puts you through way back when.
Man everything you discussed in this video was the reason why I was skeptical about returning back to the game. I also have to say that the community has become worse too. I remember how happy and friendly the people were back in the noob days of 2008-2010 but as people started hitting the pay 2 win button they became more arrogant. I remember being noob shamed to the point of just preferring to solo stuff or just go with people I knew. There's also the people that scam you or that if you dungeon with them and you are after an item, even though your passes are used, they will just claim the item for themselves if it drops for them and you will never see them again. Not to mention that there's also people that like messing with you, by destroying a cobweb farm that you have wasted several minutes trying to lure in spiders and then they just run off. That isn't the worst of it though, you also have to talk about the "Fashionogis" or "Pros" that shame you, because they waste tons of gold and NX into having the latest releases of stuff, and then bully you for having "outdated" stuff and call you a pleb, and you only see them standing around showing off their stuff not being active at all. I just recently returned after the server merge but I am very close to quitting again.
You left off how broken chain is... bless your heart
It sucks because mabinogi brings back good memorys, overall I remember it being a fav of mine. Knowing nexon always wanting money, Id rather pay for my Final Fantasy 14 subscription. It's the only game that somewhat reminds me of Mabinogi.
I quit wayyy before you, just came back and had to make a new account, honestly doesn't feel that bad being a newb again but you're 100% right, why think about anything when you can just use chain sweep
I played mabi back when it first started in g1 and g2 and I can say I just started a brand new acc and went through g1 g2 and g3 within 4-5 days... it feels accelerated and less grindy tbh.... and way more rewarding when you are soloing. I remember back then you couldn't solo shit and that's what made me quit
thats exactly what mad eme quit, now you can nearly solo anything.
everything you get in game can be taken into end game> D blades selling for 30 mil on board with demonic blades selling at 50k. yes you lose some damage, but not enough to care if your f2p and casual.
I started playing this game when I was 11 in 2008, and I really grew up on it. Some of my absolute best MMO memories or experiences are things that happened in this game, and I've gotten some lifelong friendships out of it. For awhile my laptop couldn't handle combat without crashing, and in 2 years I fell so behind that it stopped feeling worth it to even try to catch up.
It's a shame because at my core, I will always love Mabinogi for the unique playing experience it was and the incredible stories I have from it, but I've come to terms with the fact that it's not the same game I loved anymore. Mabi HEAVILY influenced how I do character design so it'll always leave it's mark on me creatively, but I can't see myself going back for anything long term.
I started playing XIV since I realized that even with the monthly sub, it would take YEARS for me to spend on it what I've spent on Mabi in the past with it's predatory cash system. Turns out I was right, switching to XIV has saved me money by an awful turn of events. It;s not the same freeform experience Mabi was, but it's still a good one and I've started making new fun MMO memories.
I also re-created my Mabi character IN XIV so she's coming with me lmao....
I loved you Mabi but damn, I think it's time we see other people 💀
What felt like the last straw for me was a bit over a year ago, when they did a preview stream of upcoming content for new Apostle Raids in G21, but 90 percent of the stream were the GMs showing off the Re:Zero gachapon and then they went to show Hasidim and Zebach and they couldn't even fucking set up their gear, it really just told me that they only see the game as a cash grab to get people to buy gachapon while giving a big slap to the face for the actual gameplay and content for a pretty major update of the game. I've been on and off for the new story but honestly the nostalgia and memories for this game is completely one-sided by the people that run it that don't really care other than making the microtransactions feel predatory by limiting your freedom to get stronger in other ways.
Sorry to go on a rant on a subject that everyone's heard about but if the north american servers were likely handled better then they probably wouldn't be faced with a dying online population.
Thanks for the detailed video, was thinking of playing again but now I'm over it lol
See this is a shame and why i think rydian needs to come back and give a cover of the game again.
alot of the problems have been addressed and are beign addressed thanks to the new Director, Mabi is still going strong in the west. some issues are lingering but are soon being addressed,
its july 2022 as i write this we just got the commerce update and are due part 2 in 3 weeks, dont let this somewhat outdated video discourage you from coming back,
all Servers have been merged into 1 as well now. so no matter what server you were on, youll be playing with the rest of the mabi community on the NA version so if you do come back, feel free to note foxegirl
Every time I think about the time i had with this game, there's a brief window where I get nostalgic for the story....only to remember how abyssmal the game is to actually play. Definitely enjoyable for its time, but I will forever be glad my friends and I moved to FFXIV back in like, 2017
Spot on. I was a veteran player that spent a week with MabiPro to relive some nostalgia. I deleted my main off of the official server once I quit, the game became something different than the reasons that drew me to it to begin with. I loved how methodical, paced, and 'dangerous' the combat felt, particularly at low levels. One misplay on your part meant a Goblin or a Bear would fuck you up in a single combo. It felt real, gritty, and didn't hold your hand. As opposed to any other game, it didn't reward you for mashing or running headlong into enemies like a tornado of death. You had to manage aggro, you had to slow down, you had to sit the fuck down with your party in the middle of a dungeon, set up a campfire and heal everyone up. It's become a creative goal of mine to make a spiritual successor to Chapter 1 Mabi that draws on those same gameplay elements.
Please tell me you sent this to them via the user survey... this is the most in-depth explanation of what's wrong with this game that I've seen yet (Not that they'll listen anyways, but thank you)
I did.
They wouldn't care, it's strictly business for them.
And that's why private servers exist.
Sadly they does nothing to fix combat ballance
@@sunset-inn Mabipro. The population's extremely small, but it's run by a great team and blows the official game nowadays out of the water.
Where? How?
@@donica5860 Google Mabipro, I just joined it and its amazing. It feels just like how the game felt ten years ago, except better, and truly free.
Mabinogi has disastrous gacha content... most OP gears are only obtained thru gacha... yea u can buy it off players but w insane amount of money... yea
joey kim Saint Guardian is EVERYWHERE after server merge, yet people want AT LEAST 275m~400m depending on items reforges, enchants and if it’s leather for the main armor piece
Aka $400
@@theophanyy5698 yup thats Mabinogi's economy for you. run by Greedy capitalist Pigs. (NOT a diss at capitalism, Dont get your panties in a twist capitalists) but sadly this is what happens in a Free market. the wealth gets piled up into so few hands that they decide the state of the economy and if your not favourable your left in the dust. its why BDO's economy is such a success.
26:00 I've had the same thing happen recently while I was smithing some iron bars for the latest gen. Difference was, I was using Windows built-in magnifier tool to try and get a better hit. In both your case and mine, we have some kind of imaging software looking over the interface. This seems like it could be intentional, which given everything else you've covered in this video, would not surprise me.
Yeah the detection existing is intention, the fact that it randomly triggers on players not (purposely) using screen reading software is the problem they refuse to fix.
Such a well made video. Well done. Sad to hear that you left.
I come back to this video to show my friends to not touch Mabinogi, I even warned my friends from other games to shy away from any game like this if its against the old vision the game used to have. I even warn them that change doesn't always mean right, it could mean the end of the game you once loved.
2023: Things that have changed or are no longer relevant in this video.
Damage Ratios have been adjusted to be more even. Close Combat and Archery, since they were examples in this video, have gotten buffs to keep up with damage scaling of new talents.
Unbalanced stacking is still an issue, but erg is being adjusted to give more for 1h and wands, and different grades of erg will be introduced to lower the cost (B grade, A grade, and S grade where S grade is the current system and the lower grades have reduced benefits for significantly reduced material costs and a system to increase the grade later. For example, many in KR are preferring to use lower grades to bypass needing song stardust for erg 20 break.)
Most end game content still has DPS checks, but Crom does not have the sins that Tech Missions comit. The only disabled/freedom restricted skill in Crom is Campfire, and the mobs encourage reactions to their mechanics (though still not based on them loading skills as it was back in the day), and bosses have attack indicators. The DPS checks in Crom only exist at higher difficulties of the dungeon, and normal difficulty only includes a hit count check. The DPS check is also much more tame, more similar to 7N clerics than Feth.
Beauty Slots now allow you to save hair, face, eyes, and mouth. You get 3 slots each (12 total) for free and can use them at any time with no costs. Gone are the days of being unable to switch your hair and worrying about getting the old style back. They do monetize this by selling additional slots for Pon, but it is not a repeat cost.
We now have the 64 bit client. No more memory crashes. Overall improved performance, but there are still bugs.
P2W still prevalent, but Saint Guardian and other gacha armors are becoming regularly available in the in game Tara Auction. Reforges are now available from in game shops in somewhat limited suppy (~20 per week) but overall are much more available to players who don't use the cash shop.
Exclusive Enchants are now tradable 1 time when you obtain them.
Homesteads now have 6 expansions, also in cash shop.
The crafting minigames have been adjusted in a skill rework so the teleporting doesn't happen anymore as far as I'm aware. I, at least, have not experienced it at all since then... And I've done a lot of crafting since then.
The rest of the critiques are fair and true still. 👍
No one is going to come back if the gold inflation still exist. I read a post in discord on "how to earn money quick in mabi" and the answers were not nice... It's basically the same thing over again, login multiple alts to get fynni gems to sell, selling things from the new update/event. Who the hell is going to play when a endgame lance charge set cost billions of gold? I can keep trying for all eternity and will still never be op.
If that was a high school presentation you would of gotten an A on it
Could’ve been the final presentation for his PHD and would’ve gotten it.
See you in 6 months
You think they'll fix all this and in 6 months? :0
tbf I've left several times. Every time that I come back, I feel a little lost and there's a lot of new stuff to learn. But I always get back to the point of leaving again because these types of issues got worse.
This comment hit me hard. The sad part is, the game is losing that pull. Ch1 Dunby on Alexina is meh compared to just last year.
@@kendrikrichmond5433 Only because of the server merge. Imo, the server merge was a mistake.
@@MeriDoug its because as you said... you came back. We all try to quit the game because of how bad it is to us but like an abusive spouse we keep coming back hoping it changed or tryinf to recapture the magic
@@adreamtmonochrome the Server merge was a colossal help to player. i now have more people i can play with. the only mistake was not including alexina into the merge. but the developers have stated they are looking to include it in the near future.
The Enchants that you mentioned; the Creepy and Haunted enchants that are on the scrolls that you still have to enchant. They are rank 3 enchants. So with Divine powder, 23% success rate; Thurs. bonus 24% success rate. That way, when you fail 20 tries (and yes, it's happened), you can just buy more gacha! It's why some people were willing to just pay $100.00 USD because then they just have it. And possibly for cheaper than buying gachas.
I keep trying to convert you to liking turtles; they're great as a soup!
My friend failed a haunted burn on Tarlach at 89%. Goodbye 500$! :D...
I was surprised he didn't also mention how scrolls of that rank can permanently destroy your items if you don't buy the enchant protection pots from the cash shop
I love play Mabi, but I realize that the things I aspired to have in mabinogi are in FF14 :
Like classless characters-- oh wait.
It was by luck I had enough in-game money to get the gachapon pets; one of the snowman pets and one of the ceraunus. I feel bad for everyone else who could not afford the pets to buy them from a seller, or have the patience with getting them from the gacha. The movement of including more and more new items in the gachapon is a scary direction for Mabinogi.
I do miss the combat tactics and being deathly afraid of running Albey hat I wasn't until g3 that I attempted to fight Glas. I also do miss the open-end-ness of weapons. Sure there were weapons that were better than others. But you could use different weapons according to your playstyle.
I think alot of recent updates and future mentioned updates will address alot of these issues to a degree. New management seems to care about balance again and interviews showing intent or at least recognition of older stunted tapering rewards and progress.
There's a few things not mentioned in the video that could have been, though I'd understand why they weren't.
First that the gacha not only makes exclusive items that can only be created upon spending money, it over the course of it's existence has consistently devalued any items you could possibly make yourself. More precisely it made the life skills section of Mabi devoid of value if it involved actually crafting equipment. Tailoring and Blacksmithing were notorious for being black holes of gold to train, and at the end of the day the reward you get out of it is a skill that can't craft anything that comes out on par with gacha.
There were also collection books where the reward was a unique piece of gear that was more fashion than actually value, and of course those were also put in gachas. The sheer amount of equipment meant to be obtained through special means that they just stuffed into the gacha at a later date is mind numbing. I've not played since 2016 so I'm not sure if this still applies to the current best equipment but this killed alot of the drive for people to life skill in the early gens.
Another thing that really bothered me was how skill training in Mabi regressed to such a mediocre state. The system of using skills to gain exp before you can rank them up is already a more uncommon concept in alot of MMOs, however the different methods of training is what made so many skills infinitely more interesting to train. I understand the CP system made this somewhat outdated over time, however in the beginning you are able to train skills in faster methods compared to what was released. The most iconic being training Windmill at Zombies, compared to what new skills got. I remember looking at Smokescreen and just thinking to myself, wow I sure would love to use this skill four thousand times. I guess they were wise enough to realize how awful the new training methods were and added training potions for them as well.
There's more I could think of but those two things in particular stood out to me alot more as time went on.
You guys should try the Mabipro private server...
Is it good??
I use to play this game religiously back in they day for 8 years. Stopped after i moved to EU and couldnt play as well on NA servers anymore. I wish i could go back to play it but after playing other MMO the engine is 90% the reason why i wont come back to it. If they actually updated the engine and made the game run smother I would still be playing it to this day.
I've played for over 10 yrs and agree with this video. I still play, but the game is nowhere as fun as it used to be.
Good video. This game died when they substituted the director behind hard dungeon revamp + phantasm for the one we have currently. There's one good aspect of current combat though which is pet management, but even that is restricted and hides behind paywalls. Bad game is bad.
are you referring to the revamp where they just increased all the HP numbers of the monsters int he dungeons. so what used to take 1 hit to bring down by a strong player, now takes 10-20? because if you are. that revamp was honestly the worst update theyve ever made to the game. and i still resent it to this day. its single handledly the one reason why i dungeon only 0.01% of the time nowadays as before it i would dungeon about 50% of the time. if their problem was players were steamrolling through it. well thats the nature of these sort of games, over time players become so powerful older content becomes a cakewalk. if its lack of challenge, well they got that with phantasm and even then couldve instead added a HM room, Abyss difficulty and a phantasm difficulty to each uladh dungeon.
@@TheFallinhalo Dungeon revamp was released same time as phantasm. They were all challenging. And it wasn't about just raising their HP. The reward pool and new gear pool that came with it was pretty damn good. Also "so what used to take 1 hit to bring down by a strong player, now takes 10-20?" they increased the experience gains of said dungeons as well to make up for this. So you fought a way harder dungeon, not just HP wise keep in mind it was actually difficult too, and got rewarded way more for it. As opposed to what came with the new director. Memento (echostones) endless grind with almost no returns, erg, the worst system ever implemented, etc.
@@LukeLTD can you really say the reward pool was pretty good when the new gear needed things with a super low drop rate, and on top of that needed potentially hundreds of those super rare materials to craft. Like, looking at your loot table you put in 200 runs of phantasm, and I'm gonna go ahead and assume those were ran with alts on so you could get as many drops as you could, you got 2 solite, only need 98 more and then 100 lunite and 50 fate fragments and a duskblade and dawnblade to craft yourself a soluna meme blade. Duskblade and Dawnblade aren't even actual weapons they're just crafting materials. Between your phantasm and Rundal runs shown in the table, coming up to 290 dungeon runs you got 4 amplified alch crystals, just need about 4 more to be able to craft a celtic tetra. Not to mention how all these new weapons take specific things to make that are only good for one thing. The alchemy crystals just for the tetra at a super low rate, the subtle marks exclusively for the celtic throwing star, firm blade fragments for celtic knuckles, thank god cleansed mages gems and shattered black metal is good for two weapons, the celtic control bars and celtic dowras, of which neither can have a 100% success rate so if god blessed you well enough to get the mats to make them he can damn well curse you to fail your craft and have to start all over. Oh and the actual gear that can drop, one whole cosmetic succubus queen boots after running phantasm 201 times.
It's definitely way better than the rng on memento and erg but god damn that's some rng. The quality of the content is better, but the rewards for doing the content are still crazy low.
@@LukeLTD the Reward pools were lackluster even after the Update. infact they made it more tedious. now if i want to run Alby Adv HM and get the bonus chests at the end i have to find 3 others willing to slog throught hat dungeon just for 2 chests each. when before the update i was allowed to enter on my own. and get all of the chests long as i had the keys to do so, which ive had in my inv for years (80-100 Keys worth of cocoons)
"they increased the experience gains of said dungeons as well to make up for this"
i never once cared about the Exp gains. because for me if i wanted exp id go run SM's and now baltane missions.
"So you fought a way harder dungeon, not just HP wise keep in mind it was actually difficult too, and got rewarded way more for it"
Oh Yay.....a dungeon that took me 5 minutes to clear now takes me 30 minutes to clear and for what? 100 extra gold and oh whats this? a item to craft a potion which boosts the success rate of a crafting skill by 1% for 1 usage......Big whoop.
"Memento (echostones) endless grind with almost no returns, erg, the worst system ever implemented, etc."
.....im sorry what? you do realise those echostones can give huge stat boosts right? and on top of that you can get certain and even exclusive reforges. FH cooldown and FH Duration being 2 of them which prior required P2W to acquire. and Erg while they have a really high Investment cost can Pay out really well in the end. as 2 handers at erg 50 give you crazy survivability benefits.
Well made video. I was considering playing this again on a new character but yea. Lets just stick with FFXIV.
I agree to every point you made in this and after coming back and trying to enjoy it again I'm definitely quitting and won't be back. Just wish there was a game like it or similar.
I like this video, aside from the part where you are praising the "tactical" nature of old combat. That has been dead for a very long time, way before chain blades. That was dead even in the original incarnation of the game when you hit TL ~300. I agree with the general principle, that melee in it's original form (ie before bash) is basically Mabinogi's "intended" combat, and the other skillsets are very one dimensional in comparison.
You can stretch the same comparison to basically any skillset even in old school mabi.
"Enemy is loading x? Just mag"
"Enemy is loading y? Just mag"
"Enemy is loading x? Just flame burst"
"Enemy is loading y? Just flame burst"
etc... Nothing in the game stopped you from spamming those skills even back then.
What pushed me over the edge was not the fact that stronger things were available at all, it's that so many options are getting locked off and we're getting cornered into only a few options that we're allowed to use. When I started playing Mabinogi I enjoyed it because I could mix and match combat and try out lots of things, but that's getting less and less true the newer the content is.
I mean to be fair, I recall even before alch firebolt spam was basically top tier (not that firebolt spam really ever left top tier since it's still pretty damn good despite the fact that magic is weak as hell right now)... The only real restrictions to firebolt spamming back then were mana, mana evaporation preventing you from switching weapons and repair costs to a certain extent. But even then, higher level players had plenty of mana potions to deal with mana and mana evaporation and a backup wand or four for running stuff.
Tactics were something that people relied on when they start the game with basically nothing and lost when they got r1 windmill/firebolt/mag shot to spam on enemies.
I 100% agree with the newer content dps checks making you feel forced to use skill-sets that you don't want to use but are forced. The slower and more strategic combat replaced with fast paced brain dead dps. Don't get me wrong I love mabinogi and playing with a mix of skills and tactics. I love magic because it took time to prepare but deals a lot of damage when used right and but the neglect toward older content makes the game horrible for player freedom.
10years of mabi, nostalgic but now it's just obscurity.
I can't remember if this was intended as a sandpark or a gacha game. Now that Peria Chronicles is cancelled, it makes me pretty sad there no new anime sandbox/park MMOs in planning. Now I gotta decide between Eve, or BDO as my mainstay...maybe look into Legends of Aria.
I still like the game but my only gripe with the game is that everyone has all these big bags expect me and I'm pretty sure they are from the gacha. =|
Randomly found this video, guess I'll put my newbie input here to add to this Nexon argument: after a week of trying I gave up on the game entirely with the eternal login errors, stilted combat that seems to be getting somewhere but it actually doesn't and an interface that's outdated even when put in comparison to a relatively ancient game like Everquest 2 which I picked up at about the same time so I'm fresh on both. Most of the interface issues I imagine are engine limitations while other features are artifacts of old from the initial release, stuff I could've learned to use efficiently if I had the patience for it I imagine but in the end of course haven't, I didn't even reach the point where I could experience the aggressive monetization you mentioned though on every rebirth I had Ialways accidentally selected something that costed Pons to unlock and I was yelled each time to buy some.
Life skilling was the main thing that convinced me to give the game a try as a chill experience with lively NPCs as surrogates in the absence of game pals but I found it hard to get how one is supposed to be introduced with, the tutorial was 95% combat and 5% picking a single egg, was that supposed to be all there was to it about life skills? Compare Runescape in which life skills are what take the longest to introduce and combat is about as complex (though most of the work is in the setup rather than reactive actions), also dungeons aren't isolated combat-only areas and life skilling will give you an edge inside them trough the scrounging up of gear and food.
Long story short: to one who isn't attached by cheerful memories of the past, Mabinogi is a hard pass as a game that's bad in every possible aspect save for some social aspects and unique aesthetics at least as it currently is, there may not be many games that scratch the same itch but in order for this itch to be scratched properly the game needs a complete redo.
The blacksmith minigame's mouse teleportation doesn't happen from some people. Nexon saying it works as intended means they intend it to be arbitrarily unfair for some computers?
In the past I could get around to pay2win by earning gold from missions and buying from other players. But Nexon has screwed the economy by injecting so much gold into it that the only way to make a good amount of gold in a decent time is to sell gachas or other cash shop stuff. Also doesn't help that they nerf gold from missions like Conflict.
The teleporting is an anti-botting measure, the problem is that it triggers randomly for people who aren't botting. It "works as intended" because it is supposed to teleport (on botters). They just don't care to fix the false positives (it triggering on normal users). They don't appear to want players to succeed at blacksmithing and this is one aspect that slows down player progress (along with the random click miss).
Rydian they don't care.they rather steal money
Your videos are always insightful and well made/paced. I mind a lot of the things you mentioned, but honestly there is no other game like mabinogi in my eyes. I really like the game and I think that outweighs my dislike for many of the points you've made. Anyway, you're such a legend, for those that know what you have to done for the game and its community. Thank you for all your effort.
Also appreciate the humor sections :)
Hey, I am a Mabi player & a game developer in China. By watching this video I realize why Nexon is milking this game harder and harder over the years. In China, we basically only have F2P games. And the industry has developed a fanbase used to and LOVE gacha system. And we have lots of rich players we called "Big R", they are willing to spend a ridiculous amount of money in-game (this experience is not available in traditional paid games). That's actually a gold mine for game developers, for you can sell the same product for thousands of times the price here. But the high payback also increases the development standard. Like Genshin Impact, the quality is really high to achieve（$100 million）, and only F2P system could motivate the investment.
Very fucked up.
I would've gone back the moment they did their server merge... until I realized Alexina wasn't included. Server merge aside, Bacchum boost killed the game for me as it activating in pvp was broken.
Wait, Alexina is still on its own? T_T
I'm surprised EU isn't going after Nexon similarly to how they are going after EA.
The arguments in this video are valid but there's a very simple reason for all of these problems: Mabinogi is a very old game that makes Nexon a LOT of money.
Historically, balancing skills or removing them can affect the overall health of the game, upsetting people and making them quit (and its impossible to make everyone happy with a change).
Cash shop is a cash grab that exist because the players allow it (myself included). We toss money at them repeatedly for this stuff so they continue doing it.
The bugs: it's an old game that wasn't designed to be optimal from the ground up.
Your reasoning is logical and I can empathize with your frustrations but the bigget picture is the game is very. Very. Old. Any changes made at this stage of the very non-optimized and old game have a far greater chance of harming it than helping it.
not to mention the engine itself is being worked on by people who are very unfamiliar with it. as the original teams that created and knew the engine inside and out have moved on to newer and bigger projects which im happy for them but its a shame since the games Code is a complex thing barely anyone understands at the current team. so it makes fixing the game harder
Harm it? Laugh out loud! What?! Harm it? Nobody from North America is playing this game and they are suffering from it. Change does not always result in harm. Especially not in this case. C’mon. Are you seriously gonna make that statement seeing and knowing the current status of this game? Folks have put endless hours, spent dime after dime and for what? Harm. The only one whose been hurt by this is the player base. The numbers are there.
@@ReazyRe yes. "harm it". changing one little thing can have HUGE effects. Whehther that be on the economy, or how much money the game is making. there are issues already that i would LOOVE to see fixed, but the fact of the matter is that this game is an old, broken mess held together with tape and gachapon. Despite the money weve put into it or how much the right change would HELP us, theres no true telling what the right change would be. The balance issues were probabaly included with the intent to help us and ba;ance the game... but look where it got us instead.
in theory maybe it looked like a good idea, but in the long run it cause damage.
so yes, at this stage, with an old, buggy,unoptimized, unbalanced, barely-on-its-legs game.. a change really CAN send it all crashing down. or not. its a risk that they arent willing to take.
but i wish it were that easy..
I quit once g13 hit. I could see it all going down hill very quickly around that time. Server was so shitty awful lags and crashes. Insane duping problems. Trying to solo hm shadow missions as a 3k elf was even getting difficult cause the server would lag so badly if I couldn’t swap aggro with a pet before the lag finished or hope the mob hopefully go into som defense or counter stance I’d just get 1 shot and die when the lag would finish up.. But man did i spend tons of time on this game. I loved it. Still do. Just absolute trash now. Focus on fashion and pets for monotization. Make a free 2 week rebirth no matter what age. For everyone. Cap that rebirth rate for everyone in my opinion. But let the exp curve be a little less insane. I remember it would take me a full couple days to ding 120 I’d rebirth and instantly go into grind mode for 2-3 days but once i hit 80-100 its just a giant wall to level up back then. And pvp was awesome! I loved the pvp system back then. Skilled Rock Paper Scissors. Bad camera angels aswell. And having to use mods to zoom out further and to see cp. kinda dumb. Give me an item that shows cp and an option to zoom out less than 7 feet. Old school player back in Alexina. My name was HotArrow. Leader of the mighty armadildos 2.5k elf hahaha. Fricking loved this game. Such great memories!
I just re-installed this game last night to start playing again after 5 years break and then I found this video. The game is not on my computer anymore.
Positive: good community with helpful guilds there ready to help you
All I can say about combat is, it’s the best combat I’ve played in any mmo
Half of Mabinogi’s appeal was freedom to live a virtual life...if freedom is being restricted and power creep has risen alongside a DPS-meta focus...that’s fucked.
Yeah bro, The reason i'm only playing mabinogi rn is due to it's my childhood game, and it's still some-what fun here and there, But as today's mabinogi, it's ass, and unfair, and yes....ive spoke with the mabinogi devs and staff team before, due to my account was lost, and....they werent acting professional at all, they were getting angry etc, but ofc i got it back, but it took 6 months to get my account back for no reason, The power scaling is super unbalanced, like super unbalanced, pay to win, YEP, pvping isnt the same anymore due to the new brokenly op stuff they've added, also they are lazy to actually make good progress in-game, atleast update dungeons and balance the game, smh
Very critical, but very necessary. That is the last time I play a game without learning about the companies behind it. It took 10 years to open my eyes but I'm glad I did. Thank you for this because I have quit. If I ever do play, I don't spend on it. It's a cash-grab greedy attempt at a decent MMO. I will wait for Amazon's New World and see how that fares.
I trained alch to be a vates to later find out I was still weaker then the other talents lol
I ranked all the skills, paid for combo cards, collected all enchants and enhancement equipment and still could not do as much damage as other players. The only benefit to alchemy was agro control. 😂
u got a point, this game has become massively p2w over the years
MabiPro ftw ^_^
Still the same problems today, just more content and slightly easier grinds. Arcana talents only boosted power creep to an extreme degree.
dear god it hurts..., wait for the day till all skills become locked and become normal attacks only.
Ty rydian and miss hearing from you on mabination. Tbh all these reason are also why I quit :(
While I realize this is two years late, some of the DPS check complaints/balances and such were from KR feed back, specifically a lot of the old time KR players felt a ton of content was incredibly weak.
As a whole though, this was their attempt to Modernize the game as well. Most raid mechanic in MMO's have DPS check or wipe mechanics, and builds toward the late game lean into one or two classes, take guild wars 2 for example, as you get deeper into the late game with raids, you start noticing entire classes and sub-classes falling off.
Such is the poison of min/maxing.
the destruction of the classic deliberated strategic rock paper scissors style combat started a decade ago with the introduction of alchemy, and that's when i quit. also you forgot about content that requires you to grind down brionac durability on the boss just to be able to do non meaningless damage to it and brionac in general is another game ruining aspect that the game needed to NOT have shoehorned into it
It's my personal theory that it actually began with the introduction of the first exploding pet: The Crystal Reindeer, in 2011. Everything went downhill from that point forward, as it made the consequences of going into a fight with no planning or caution null. If an enemy can't react to you because they are stunned by 10 of your splodey pets, why is there any reason to play carefully? This even predated the Genesis update, which removed Windmill's i-frames in 2012; which bothered me in particular because windmill was one of the most common ways players would avoid taking damage from enemies like field bosses and multi-aggro. With each new pet having some kind of exploding effect that was more egregious than the last, they were already well on their way to changing the meta to suit the cash shop, rather than the other way around.
I wouldn't hold alchemy responsible for this, as it was more of an expansion of magic (had all the elements, trigged magic standers) with only a little added utility, which didn't do very much damage anyway until its rework much later. Adding new talents/skills is probably the only correct direction they could've gone, if they'd only followed a more down to earth and traditional format, like all the other skill tabs.
About a few months later I watched this again while trying to play Mabi again and I got turned off trying to play, lol...Project Gorgon I go back to.
I'd say try MabiPro but I'm sure you have. It just sucks losing your progress over the course of years of playing just to play on a more stable and balanced version of Mabi. About 4 years of content in my case (on the account that wasn't hacked, maybe 9 years in total). There is extra content, but not as much as the official version either. Miss the game but any version of it wears me out pretty quick
Man I really miss the tactical combat especially the pet micro. It sucks that we went from ATK soloing Ciar Adv with pet micro to spamming one skill.
Jesus Christ.... I literally not have idea how bad was the smith mini game ... god bless the smitter of mabinogi ...
HI Boss, are you still there? Do you have a DC? Can you ask me questions G20?
frankly theres 1 other problem the game has. its a community driven problem but can be fixed by the developers. but its a problem that damages the play ability of the game and especially for new players.
the egregiously broken economy. items selling into the 50-100's mil range when your average player is only making at BEST 1m a day when doing what the game has to offer outside of the market.
How would you fix the problem?
@@CripplingDepression restart the economy?
@@LoreMagpie Restart as in delete everyone's items?
The way to fix a broken economy is by merging servers, which they have done except for Alexina :(. So there is now an increased supply of items as the playerbase of Nao has increased, which will now help the demand that was there. Additionally, the less valued items will also be bought more as there will be more demand for that already high supply. Alexina's economy will stay bad, but thankfully we aren't too horrible yet.
How do ppl make 1mil a day???? .-.
Let me just remind everyone of enchantment protection potions.
I never did the newer stuff. I liked the Shakespeare stuff and that Dark trading island place but nothing much past the Celestial-ish looking knights.
maybe thats why its good i'm lazy and don't get new skills all the time.