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$60 a Month For Full Pool Service? No Way! - Chlorine King Pool Service
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2018
- In this vlog we talk about why it's not sustainable to advertise $60 a month for full service. We also talk about what the client can expect when they pay $60 a month for service.
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GREAT attitude, we have houses through 3 generations as customers some reaching back 35 years that remember me when I was a young man... it always feels good to be able to do a great job and not be judged only on your price. Digging your videos too and what you did with your channel, I just started sharing a few things on mine, amazing how the world has changed with technology and ease of recording.
Thank you sir. I'm really trying to help the industry raise rates and make everyone better off.
Thanks bro iv watched a few of your videos and it’s very informative
I'm glad they're helping you out!
Thank you
Great video
Thank you very much!!
Good informative videos. I have always cleaned pools for companies but i am wanting to do my own now. I am having a hard time deciding on what to charge for different type of services
What I would do is call around to your competitors and see what they're charging. Most people around here will bid over the phone (which blows me away). From there model your pricing a few bucks hire and provide the best service. You'll do nothing but succeed. Good luck!
Any pool tech with good work ethics should eventually work for themselves. As long as you're the type that is willing to learn. You'll survive.
I want to start taking my time I always rush my route never had a problem but I don’t think it’s good for the health to always be rushing like it’s the end of the world
I agree with that. I always think it's better to have 50 pools at $150 a month versus 100 pools at $80 a month. You'll not work as hard, provide a better service and enjoy life more!
I agree with you my friend. Charge what is fair and do your best job I always respect honest people and professional attention. I think that is fair and for people that think is that expensive try to do your own maintenance and see it for yourself and then we will talk about it. Guys that do this for a leaving don’t ever give up your knowledge for nothing. God bless you all.
I respect your hustle!! I had to start charging more. I started at $85/month to now $100/month. Going to start going to $105. Thanks for the input!
Thanks @ultra blue! We have a lot of responsibility and to charge only $60 a month is a joke. Keep on rising prices. My minimum is $130 and still going up. (This is in an area of $85 as the norm). Good luck!
Believe it or not, here in NJ we charge around $85/week to clean and maintain pools. It's not the staple of my business, we're more repair/renovation oriented but people ask and we started obliging. By the time we pay taxes, liability and a responsible employee well we actually make very little of that $85. Our season is also only about 8 months of the year tops so we have to make enough for the year in that short time and even of the 8 months the bulk of our work is only 3 or 4 months. In the spring it's insane, everything happens at once once pools are opened. It's interesting to see how the pool business is in other states such as FL, I actually spend a lot of time there in the winter, been going to FL for a solid month in the winter now for over 30 years. I've alway wondered what it'd be like to be a pool guy down there too.
Chlorine King Pool Service California needs to get on board with those rates. I’m still cleaning pools at $90 a pop, yet keep telling myself “next year, I’m raising rates”, yet still haven’t. I’m avg 100 per pool - but that’s gotta change, just not profitable even staying at an avg of 100.
@@scottlandb6579 Here in Modesto California I just started in the business. But I started at $120 per pool...like my friend said I rather have less pools but at the same time make that money at the end of the day...
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That response was from quite a while ago. Things have changed. I brought everyone up to your rate the year after that response. But sending out letters today pools are going up to 130. Truly in 5-6 mos they need to be at 160. I spend on average 65-75 dollars on ALL business expenses per pool per month. I charge 25 a visit. So at 120 even 130 I’m eating into my labor revenue to cover my clients pool service costs. Not happening anymore. If you really dial in your numbers you will see you’re spending far more than what you think. Raise your rates. We all have to, it’s long over due in every area across this nation. Pool service rates must go up. Keep raising yours Miguel I’m telling you. The costs are through the roof and only going to keep increasing.
Love it.
I have had the same problem in so Cal. The going rate for an average pool here is $100-120
With all the work we do I figure $200 is a good rate. There's so much extra we do and sometimes it's out of the scope of our service.
Here in Western Australia the average charge is $75 (Aussie Dollar) per month, and pool owners still moan that its too expensive. They just don't value a service that they think they can do themselves.
You are right on brother!!!!!
Thank you!
How did you gain more clients?
So, on your prices do you include chemicals or is that price plus chems? I do weekly pricing plus chemicals.
Yes, prices include normal maintenance chemicals. Things like phosphate treatments or metal treatments are extra.
140 a month is damn cheap - here in NY we charge $75-85 per week. Bigger companies charge about $3500 -$4500 per pool full service (opening, weekly service and closing).Although service is limited to about 16 -22 weeks out of the year.
$75 to $150 per week.
When a new client comes around with a green pool, how do you bid it?
I am losing the quote war it seems.
Do you just go into weekly cleanings or do you charge to get it clean before the weekly's?
Hey Scott, honestly.... I haven't bid on one in almost a year since my green pool vid. I just don't do them anymore. I pass them off to a friend instead. To answer your question, for a serious green pool I start out at $399. If you're making a few stops $399 is already pretty low. Are you trying to make that a staple of your company?
Chlorine King Pool Service I want it to be the evidence, awe and shock factors for advertising.
I have 3 jobs I am doing Friday after my night shift that I am covering the chemical cost to go from green to clean for advertising.
My primary revenue I want to come from 6 month and 12 month recurring subscriptions...
The green pools I'll take all day until I get the clientele to sub contract them out or hire a 2nd person to do the day to day while I focus on greens and marketing.
I have just ran into 2 scenarios that I don't know what to do about..
1 was the green pool bid.
The other being storm water in pools nd such.
I got a request from a guy with a FENCE in his pool!
Lol! No joke!
How do you charge for chemicals? My dad charges like a cleaning charge and chemicals not included 150 a month is that too much or no?
I don't charge extra for chemicals. For my area that would be too much. But, in other area's like Jacksonville it wouldn't be enough.
How you doing with the chlorine increase there in Florida? I’m here in Nevada and I’ve had to increase all of my clients between 5/10 dollars.
What is the rate for pools and service in NV?
Good video man. I’m from Jersey we actually charge $60 a week
That's killer. I wish I could get those rates. I have a couple of $50/week pools but most are used to paying $80/month. I start at $140. Can you believe there's a dude advertising around here $39 a month for monthly service. Just killing the industry.
@@ChlorineKingPoolService i work for a company in the hamptons we get 100 a week including chemicals and 140 for pool spa combos
What’s a list of your full service list of things you do per pool per stop? Thanks a lot for your awesome input and helping a rookie like myself barely getting into the industry
Thanks for watching Arthur. I do the following: Skim, vac, brush, skim, empty baskets, test, add chems, check equipment, take pic, email report, and on to the next one. I hope this helps.
God bless you and thanks for your positive input
Am I correct in assuming your rates do not include chemicals? Say you service a pool for $130 a month, any chemicals you use during that month would be in addition to the $130...correct? Also, are there any tasks you do that you charge extra for...like cleaning the salt cell or things of that nature? I've watched several of your videos this evening and have found each one full of great advice. Much appreciated!!
They include chemicals. No salt cleanings and filter cleanings (backwashing and cartridge are included) but DE split and cleans are $125. I'm glad you enjoy them Ramona! Have a great day!
I charge 150 monthly in san antonio, texas. I charge more if it's a pool above 50k gallons
Hey J! That's a good rate. We start at $130 and go up from there. Most pools are between $140-$160. I don't get how those people charging $60-$80 a month can stay in business. I just don't...
How do you price spas and hot tubs
I don't do a stand alone service, as in I don't have accounts that are just hot tubs and spas. I do chemically treat them for an additional $25/month for clients that have one with a pool I'm servicing. I tell them that I do not touch the panel, as they can be finicky, and I don't want the finger pointed at me about breaking it. That situation happened before so I never touch them anymore.
how many pools do you service a day
We don't do anymore than 15 a day.
I've had a few customers ask about going from once a week service to twice a month service and they think I'm going to cut my rate in half. doesn't work that way.
Exactly! Usually it's 2.5 visits is what I charge because you're going to have to spend extra time the times you are there to make up for the weeks you aren't there.
How much should I charge if I plan on just cleaning pools instead of getting cpo certified
It all depends on your area. Whether you're CPO certified or not shouldn't change your rate.
How are you basing your rate? Looking to start and not sure how to base my rates
By creating a break even point and then adding in my margin. If you’re worried about being competitive you can call around and see what other companies start at. Hope this helps.
@@ChlorineKingPoolService can you make a video on this part of the business not really comprehending this. thanks for the videos
Margin = gas, labor, supplies, insurance, billing, and skimmer service?
Wow, 140 per month, how do you guys do that. Here in Oklahoma we are getting $75.00 + Product used Weekly. I wouldn’t even be interested for 140 month. I am glad it is working for you and your busines. I really appreciate the content that you put out. I hope you can get your rate up a lil more.
There’s a couple of reasons. First, over the decades customers have gotten used to the cheap uninsured, unreliable, improperly pool servicing companies who charge nothing so it’s really hard to charge a ton more.
Secondly, the proximity of the pools are so close there’s not a lot of drive time. Our company has around 600ish pools all within a 10 mile radius. Some of my techs can park on one part of the street and walk to five of their pools.
Lastly, our pools are relatively small (10k-12k gallons) and most are screened in. So a lot aren’t terribly labor intensive. We also service 24/7/365.
I hope this helps. Thanks for watching. I wish we could get the pricing you guys do. I’ve been working hard to help change that. We start at $160/month now so inching up there. Have a good weekend.
@@ChlorineKingPoolService How do you find and maintain good employees in a growing business?
Do you make them do contracts or month-to-month basis?
Month to month. Contracts tend to scare people around me.
That's what I was thinking. Nobody likes contracts these days which is understandable. LOL I appreciate your reply. I just started watching your videos recently and join the Facebook group. I posted on there today about working for somebody for free and basically doing like it internship kind of thing before I start my own pool business. I will continue to watch your videos and gain knowledge and see how different for businesses work so I can figure out how I want to run mine.
I’m glad the videos are helping. Definitely learn on someone else’s dollar. Good luck and keep soaking in knowledge.
I was paying 75 a month for 3yrs. things started to go down hill i would have paid twice that for quality service. Now i do it myself.
Hey Daniel, thanks for your response. That's the problem with this industry... it's a race to the bottom of the barrel. I can promise you there is hardly any money left over at $75 a month, if any at all, if the company was running legitimately. As a result, you saw what happened... the quality of service suffered. Thanks for chiming in and have a Happy New Year.
You guys are out of your minds!!!! On LONG Island NY My clients are paying me $60-90 per week just to do service chemicals are additional.. openings and closings I get $275 for a basic pool + 80 for a heater 40 for a Polaris .. 90-100 per hr to power vac.. I don’t understand how you guys are able to even pay for gas
Super nosy question here. How much do you make annually in the pool industry? I realize that your business is unique and that there are alot of variables at play, but can a one man (maybe 2) man show, make anywhere near 6 figures in this industry? Thanks
I pay myself $80K/yr and my employee $38K/Yr off of 85 pools. I could bump my salary up but want to show my business as positive at the end of the year. My cleaner does all of my pools for me, so if I did them myself I could make over $100K easily. Business is 100% debt free as well.
@@ChlorineKingPoolService Thanks
I was paying $90 for twice a month service. The service was using a automatic pool cleaner with 2 visits to skim the surface. I complained when I noticed the skimmer basket wasn’t cleaned. In the fall, I removed the auto pool cleaner to allow the skimmer to work. I still expected the pool service to vacuum the floor and clean the skimmer, but it wasn’t done. He drops by for barely 10 minutes and it looks the same as if he wasn’t there. I paid for the chlorine tablets so it’s not coming out of his paycheck. After 6 months of patience, I decided to cancel the service and do it myself. This is actually the second service that I had to fire. The first service left my pool with green algae when he suddenly stopped showing up. I don’t trust pool service any more.
Hey Enzo. I'm really sorry to hear about your bad experiences with pool service. I promise you not all of them are like that. It sounds like what you're describing is a "splash n dash" type of company that comes in quickly, may or may not test the water, sprinkle in some chemical and leave (hence the low pricing). My company does not operate that way and I know there are others out there. My advice is to not race to the bottom of the barrel in pricing, and hire a highly rated company that will do weekly service. Bi-weekly, in my opinion, is a losing proposition for a pool company. I wish you luck and thanks for watching!
From appearances, that’s not what they were. They used chlorine tablets that I purchased. The company acid washed my pool after the last service left it with algae. They got lazy in the fall and winter months as if I wouldn’t notice. They relied on the automatic pool cleaning machine. They refused to just clean it manually after discussing it with them several times over the phone. I don’t need more than twice monthly service, but I expect him to clean it thoroughly in each visit. He doesn’t get to decide to not clean it if it looks clean to him, which is false. It’s always looks dirty. Rather than waste $90 or $45 in each visit, it’s cheaper to do it myself. You also mention a pool company loses money in biweekly service. This makes no sense if they don’t come by and actually clean it!!! My previous service charged $65 for non-service. My new service made clear that he charges more for better service. Not a good case for paying more money.
I've never used a customer supplied chemical. I always use my own and definitely tell them to hang onto them. It sounds like they weren't a quality company. I'm glad you're able to take care of your own pool. Good luck and thanks for watching.
When I said I purchased chemicals, I bought direct from pool cleaner as a separate billed charge. He also used up the remaining chlorine tablets from Home Depot.
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Ive been in the swimming pool cleaning business for 20, in Houston, TX. $60/month won't even get you "Chemicals Only" service. Full service is around $140- $180 plus tax. "Partial service" which does not include vacuuming the pool will cost a little over $100. "Chemicals Only" service will cost around $80.
It’s absolutely crazy. It’s even worse down in places like Miami where it seems that $85 is the ceiling. I just can’t imagine. I’m starting to get close to your pricing but it’s been a long and slow road.
Cheap isnt good and good isnt cheap...imma use that one brother. Thank you
You’re very welcome.
Hey, what’s a account worth if you where buying a established company with 75 accounts.
There are several variables like location, average rate of accounts, how many times you’re buying them at, etc. feel free to email me at erik@chlorinekingpools.com to discuss further. I hope this helps.
I’m in New Jersey they want upwards of 90$ a week for service smh 140$ a month is amazing I would definitely take that
Down here in FL the average rate in my area is $85 per month. It's insane. No money at that rate.
$60 per month? That’s insane. I’m in southeast Louisiana and $200+ per month is the average that I charge for weekly chemical and cleaning service, then $60/hr for any maintenance. And to my understanding, I’m a very mid-range price service provider in this area
It's ridiculous. Everyone loses at that rate. That's great rates my friend. I'm slowly creeping up there. I'm now double over the average in my area. People will pay if you create the value, and of course, follow through with the value you promise. It's as simple as that!
I haven't even listened to this whole video yet and I Agree one million percent with this video!! Ha Ha!!
LOL. There's a lot of good points in there Aloha! I wish other companies would watch it and raise prices to change this idea that you can get a quality service for $60 a month.
I really want to start posting this in our Facebook Yard sale posts in my area. A lot of people ask for professional pool service and expect to pay $60... then you get those that advertise $60.
Feel free. The more you post the more views I get. No one can refute the points in the video. Check it out when you have a few moments.
Chlorine King Pool Service, oh I’ve listened to it already and sent it to my Fiancé. She’s now watching all your videos lol. I told her you have a great grasp on this industry and have similar points that I base my business around. I was down for a while due to being hit by a van when riding a motorcycle. However now that I’m doing better I’m getting things ironed out.
That's great you both like watching the channel. I have a bunch of other cool videos coming out soon. I've invested a lot into camera stuff lately so looking forward to putting it to use. I'm glad we share the same views. We need to change the industry! I'm glad you're doing better!
In my area, I charge about 100 for full service, but I tell them exactly what I cover, if they want more then I charge more.
It's all about transparency. If they want better and more services, they need to pay for it! Good on you for telling them exactly what will be done for your rate.
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Bout time someone spelled it out for the clients like this.
They have to learn, but we also have to make the industry service providers better and charging higher rates so it's a win win. Clients get better service and we make a better living!
@@ChlorineKingPoolService agreed when I started i was scrambling for any pool , but I'm learning. Juice has to be worth the squeeze
We've all been there! I'm to the point where if it's not very profitable (because it'll be taking away from my free time) I don't touch it. It's the same reason I won't go install a filter to profit $100. Too much liability to only profit $100 (before taxes). Let all the unlicensed people deal with that stuff haha.
You're on the right track. One foot after the other!
Pay what the market will bare.
Of course.
You get what you pay for. We charge 200 a month on average.
That’s killer. I’m not quite that height but climbing lol.
$60 full service? That’s ludicrous. Maybe...chemical service, I am at $65-$70 for chem service though...
It's sad. It's a horrible and vicious circle too. The cheaper they go to break into the market, the more that clients believe that's what pool service should cost, then people like me trying to make an honest living can't get in the door because we're so "expensive".
Chlorine King Pool Service I’m in Vegas, Henderson NV area. It’s not worth it to do a pool here for anything less than $110.00 a month. My sweet number is $120-$125. I tell them, does your other service clean filters every quarter? Do they use phosphate removers to prevent algae? Do they show up every week and empty all the baskets and run equipment checks? Do they stay for at least 25-30 mins to do the clean, vac and full service?
For a great article on how to choose a pool professional check out: swimmingpoolman.com/how-to-choose-a-pool-service
Good Read.
Rich people pay 140 a month. Not normal people. Learn to do it yourself before paying that price
No. People who want a professional pay that price.
While anyone can maintain their own pool if they want to put in the time to learn and effort of doing it, some people just don't have time. I service people all over the spectrum as far as income is concerned.
rich ppl have nice pools, normal ppl do not.
poor people can own a swimming pool?
Man I think she was just lying to get you to come down on price. Nobody can do it for $60. if the pool is actually turning green they'd lose money getting it clean.
LPT: download maps ruler, I know it's available for Android. Ask the customer for their address and the depth of the pool. You can use the app to measure the pool and then you can calculate gallons. You can actually trace the pool free hand to get the perimeter, and it's accurate within a few inches. The app is free and has literally saved me days worth of time over the last year by not having to go on location to give an estimate.
Have fun pool side!
That's exactly my point. Theres 0 money and the client is not going to get a good service. I'm doing a break even analysis and the money I pay my guys almost covers $60 per account lol.
@@ChlorineKingPoolService I gotcha
lmao what company is quoting 60$ a month for pool service. those are the type of people who need to not be in the business, ruining the industry
I completely agree. There used to be a bunch of them a year or two ago. Now that prices increases there are fewer but still some out there quoting that haha.
@@ChlorineKingPoolService Thank god lol. i own a pool business in southern cali 50+ pools nothing crazy big. Just run it myself with repairs still growing..
And i got people on yelp who reach out to me and they get these crazy low quotes (90-110$ a mo) and then a month or two goes by and they hit me up like "ok you are right, i need profesional reliable service". Like i try to tell them the service there going to get. Newbies and just a body to throw out there to net and put chems in for minimum wage. The prices all my customers are at 130-160 a month. Its about the average here now in socal.
It takes 15 - 20 minutes tops to service a pool without any real issues. 140 a month charge for 1and a 1/2 hours worth of work for the entire month? It's pool service man not "rocket science" or labor intensive. The money is made on the volume of customers. People want to get rich on one job. Chemicals included doesn't warrant such an overcharge.