I was that way too! Having watched Gotham for two years though, I've definitely improved and most things make sense now. Chess is a beautiful game, keep watching and learning!
20:13 for anybody wondering, that !? symbol is actually called an "interesting move" and isn't shown on game review. it means "interesting, but perhaps not the best move", "move deserving attention", "enterprising move" and "risky move"
So it’s more like the cross between a brilliant move and a blunder right like a chance move? If you accept or miss to capture then you win but if the intention was disrupted and your opponent does the opposite then it’s a blunder unless it is already a winning position but for a quick checkmate.
As the engines play a pair of games against each other in the same opening, I think it would be much more interesting if you would show the second game aswell to understand if it was easy for an engine to win or if it was a real masterpiece.
Video idea: what's the least amount of advantage it would take for levy to beat the best chess bot. Starting with a 0.0 advantage and then slowly increasing the advantage like a .5 or 1 increment. Like if you would like to see it.
@@איתןשי i searched for it, what i found was hikaru vs different levels of stock fish. What I'm proposing is levy vs best bot but levy starts with an advantage
I do really love having stockfish analyze the games because I see the question mark or brilliant move and I feel like I'm watching the smart guy in an anime breakdown what the protagonist is doing.
It would be very interesting for Levy to read through some of the code for stockfish (or any engine) with someone who can explain the code. I am curious to see a strong player's perspective on how it evaluates positions and makes decisions.
They all use neural networks, or commonly called AI. The decisions are made based on multidimensional matrices that are refined from random values through training. As a result, I expect there is little chess to be learned in the code. There are some methods to visualise the weights such as showing not only the top move but multiple lines, or heatmaps. But ultimately neural networks still are very much black boxes, and analysing them largely relies on inspecting the results, not the process itself. The code for a bot that essentially makes random moves would look no different than stockfish.
16:30 haha! that's exactly what I do in those kinds of positions, I actually learned it from playing stockfish, they can't mate you if their own pawn is blocking them.
Levi talking about all this brainy shit gets me nodding along and excited to play some chess! Then my 200 elo ass goes and hangs my queen every other game.
I recently played against this Torch Chess Bot and at the end of the game it moved its pawns to spell out the words "I'm trapped in this box, HELP ME!" What do you think it could mean?
I remember when Kasparov had a melt down over a move Deep Blue played against him in a game in 1996/97. Can you imagine him playing Torch today, his head would explode. Literally, figuratively, metaphorically and a bunch of other 'lys'.
So about that "a chessbot that is going to be the answer to, hopefully, in the long run, stockfish" part: Why would you want a proprietary piece of software, developed by a predatory company to win over a community driven, open source engine? I hope that if torch ever gets good enough, it will only motivate everyone to put it back in it's place again.
I know a decent amount(slightly above average) about how the bots are programmed to do what they do but i still always genuinely enjoy your videos about the chess bots and you just make it seem like an action movie every time. Also stockfish evaluating the other engines games shows just how dominant it is 😂
I do like seeing more top level engines, it makes it more interesting. I want to see more stockfish level engines battle it out. But it sucks that Torch isn’t open source.
After watching levy for 2 years, I can proudly admit that i started at 1 000 000 elo and i am now 100 elo. I would like to thank levy for all his help.
i believe the reason its called torch is because it is run on python(python has a module for AI called PyTorch) Sorry for my trashy explanation im not sure how to prperly explaining this.
I don't believe for a minute that this Torch is stronger than Leela, let's see how it does in a controlled environment like TCEC before we crown it. This is just marketing.
Why not? It’s developed by a very successful company with many veterans in the field. Every time a company with this many resources developed a chess engine it has become number one (Deep Blue and AlphaZero)
Levy is so good. Here is an essay why: Levy talks about chess, chess bots, grandmasters and alot more! He puts alot of effort into his videos to make his viewers comfortable. He explains every thing about the bot or GM at the moment. You should watch him, because he is happy for even 1 like. Thank you for reading this, i appreaciate every view.
Not a software engeneer, but.... Didn't in this very same video Gotham say that the French Defense is basically unplayable at the AI level? And then showed a game Torch won against the current #2 where the #2 plays the French? So... Torch isn't the new #2, I see.
French is definetly playable. Infact most classically trained engines (not NNUE) prefer french over c5, or c6. But I think engines prefer exchange french which kills the fun.
Hey Levy (GothamChess)! You're amazing at chess! Your videos are so fun to watch, and I've learned a lot from you. Your explanations make complicated stuff easy to understand, and your game analysis is awesome! Thanks for inspiring me to play more and get better at chess. Can't wait for your next video!❤
Hi Gotham! I just played a chess game and got my first brilliant move! Can I contact you somehow and ask you to make a video about it? I am 300 ELO so it might be very fun, I absolutely love content you make, especially 200-300 ELO chess. Thank you early.
Sometimes levy just breezes passed the most unhinged engine moves, and other times he acts like the most natural moves ever are insane. And I think that makes these videos even more entertaining
i am a computer developer and i worked on algorithms for chess/chess AI before and you do a wonderful job explaining in your videos of course not all technicalities are correct but most of them are and not all of them being correct is normal cause that is like asking an astronaut to be a well versed architect
I hope that this bot is gonna be available for us to play against since it will be useful for me in terms of preparation. Stockfish is fine but I wanna explore the playing style of Torch to hopefully learn something new.
Hey man, love your videos - been watching for a few years now - but i was wondering if you could do a video on how much better ‘bots’ are than humans by starting the boys off with fewer pieces, maybe missing a knight, or bishop or both - would the bot (stockfish) win - and further to that same point, how many fewer pieces would it take for a bot to lose - i find the whole bot thing super fascinating!
The final SF vs Torch as 1000 games (500 pairs bias opening , with White try to win and with Black try to Draw, so 750 is almost the maxium points u can get). SF wins 640 vs Torch 360 (+280 pairs) SF 3862 vs Torch 3500 elo.
things I learned from torch:
1 - if your piece is hanging, push a pawn
2 - trade when you are down material
3 - Make multiple moves with the same piece
4 - sacrifice the rook
5 - maneuver the dark square bishop to a dark square
Oh too funny, however y’all can’t hold a “candle” to torch! Jaja
6 - move your king to defend a pawn from your own rook
7 - reroute the knight 420 times
@@tylerdurden-ch8ip 8. Never retreat or protect your pieces
😂😂😂😂
If a normal person blunders, it's a blunder
If a grandmaster blunders, it's a sacrifice
If a bot blunders, it's a brilliant move
After watching levy for 2 years, I can proudly admit that i started at 100 elo and i am now 100 elo. I would like to thank levy for all his help.
20:18 is this an inaccuracy or a great move
*1000 elo
*10000 elo
Good progress dude. Keep the good work up, when one day you will reach the grandmaster rank after working hard enough in chess.
@@Bringmehere it is a brilliant move accorording to my brain.
it's crazy how torch find the idea on 22:54 which is putting the darkquared bishop to a dark square
I was about to comment the same lmao
Amazing idea from torch!
Stockfish did better when it came up with the idea to place the light square bishop on a dark square.
i was gonna coment the same
Not to mention finding the top computer move at 17:21
17:26 you know it’s crazy when the bots start defending their pawns from their own rook.
I was looking for this comment
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😂😂😂
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Trust no one, right?!
i hope it doesn't beat stockfish. just honestly. because i think it would be a shame for open-source to fall to paywalls and closed doors.
same
Most based take I’ve heard in so long
You sir, just took the words out of my mouth.
Yep. This is not an exciting announcement at all
stockfish can always get better
I dont even understand half of whats going on but seeing him explain everything so excitedly hypes me up😆
Fr thooo😭😭😭
Bro be like ROOOOK H7😈, i be like what happened 💀
+1
Only 504 likes and 4 comments?lemme change that
I was that way too! Having watched Gotham for two years though, I've definitely improved and most things make sense now. Chess is a beautiful game, keep watching and learning!
20:13 for anybody wondering, that !? symbol is actually called an "interesting move" and isn't shown on game review.
it means "interesting, but perhaps not the best move", "move deserving attention", "enterprising move" and "risky move"
How do you get one of these purple !? symbols?
I was wondering the same thing
@@d1kgaws12
when you do an interesting move but not the best
That means that Stockfish is confused
So it’s more like the cross between a brilliant move and a blunder right like a chance move? If you accept or miss to capture then you win but if the intention was disrupted and your opponent does the opposite then it’s a blunder unless it is already a winning position but for a quick checkmate.
As the engines play a pair of games against each other in the same opening, I think it would be much more interesting if you would show the second game aswell to understand if it was easy for an engine to win or if it was a real masterpiece.
@inserthandlenameI’m fairly confident Leela wins over Torch
@@agarrikr2996 I agree, cause also recently Leela won a major competition namely the Cup 11 held this year
while stockfish only placed second.
I can't believe Torch kept finding the top computer move. What are the odds?
It's almost like it is a computer! Unbelievable!
Guys, I think Torch is cheating. It keeps getting top engine moves. Like a computer does. 🤔
Insanity. Only computers should be able to find the top computer moves.
it's ridiculous how blatantly "Torch" is using an engine to cheat in so many games. the accuracy and review just says it all
17:24 king moving up to defend the white pawn from the white rook is truly an amazing defensive move
17:21 love how Levy says “it plays the top computer move” in a video about chess computers kkkkkkk
defending its pawn from its own rook
thought the same, lol
Top computer move is that of stockfish
@@valiantwarrior1988yeah, but I imagine most moves it played are identical to what stockfish would do
Plot twist: Mittens was just undercover Torch in a testing phase.
This could ACTUALLY be a thing
@@roykin0929 No, Mittens was Komodo
Mittens is Komodo 13 with a positional personality
4:02 Gotham: I don't remember because I'm not psychopath.
Magnus: 🗿
Hikaru:
Alphazero: revolutionizes chess with its pawn sacrifices
Torch: "pawns? youre weak"
Video idea: what's the least amount of advantage it would take for levy to beat the best chess bot. Starting with a 0.0 advantage and then slowly increasing the advantage like a .5 or 1 increment. Like if you would like to see it.
I think Hikaru did this once
@@איתןשיwhich video?
@@איתןשי link
@@איתןשי i searched for it, what i found was hikaru vs different levels of stock fish. What I'm proposing is levy vs best bot but levy starts with an advantage
Hikaru did something similar with mittens
I do really love having stockfish analyze the games because I see the question mark or brilliant move and I feel like I'm watching the smart guy in an anime breakdown what the protagonist is doing.
22:55 brilliant move putting dark square bishop on a dark square, amazing
"I don't know why Stockfish is British." 😂😂😂 3:06
4:41 No wonder Torch is in the shape of a bishop. It burns them all
As a bot, i can confirm that Levy is handsome
Edit : 3k ?!?
As a bot i can confirm that u are handsome
@@tanmayjiop😏📸🤨
@@army1057this reply always makes me mad for some reason
As a levy, I can confirm that the bot is correct
@@tanmayjiop*Uno reverse card*
“And in this position white plays the top computer move”
Wow, that’s crazy Levy.
It would be very interesting for Levy to read through some of the code for stockfish (or any engine) with someone who can explain the code. I am curious to see a strong player's perspective on how it evaluates positions and makes decisions.
They all use neural networks, or commonly called AI. The decisions are made based on multidimensional matrices that are refined from random values through training.
As a result, I expect there is little chess to be learned in the code. There are some methods to visualise the weights such as showing not only the top move but multiple lines, or heatmaps.
But ultimately neural networks still are very much black boxes, and analysing them largely relies on inspecting the results, not the process itself. The code for a bot that essentially makes random moves would look no different than stockfish.
There is no code in the sense that you can follow any logic.
@@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca stockfish isn't AI based, it's just a good eval and search functions so there is much chess
A chess computer when they gave up a piece, it is a sacrifice, however when I do it is a blunder. 😭😭😭
Just watched the whole 25 minute video in 25 seconds, this bot is insane
Gotham chess subscriber speedrun?
Player plays a6, Levy - "Why you stupid?"
Torch plays a6, Levy - "Ah, activating the rook without moving it"
the could've just forked (as in copy the code of) stockfish, and say "yea, it can beat every bot, but stockfish"
Sounds illegal, wasn't there a similar court case not long ago with Fritz
It is illegal, I am a law student.
@@plate2105chad
@@plate2105real
@@plate2105 Forking an open source project is not illegal lmao
16:30 haha! that's exactly what I do in those kinds of positions, I actually learned it from playing stockfish, they can't mate you if their own pawn is blocking them.
17:20 "White plays the top computer move"... yeah, no shit bud. It's a computer.
Ok, but are we gonna talk about how majestic Levy looks?
He'd be a great bottom
The jewiness is really showing in his beard for sure, definitely a great bottom.
@@aldocort3418 bruh
He looks great eating nuts(I devour those morsels).
We need a levy vs michael storen majesty contest
That chess torch is like a reference to chess olympiad but i could also imagine it Being passed from on GM to another so that each try to beat it.
Or PyTorch, the AI framework used in the bot.
Or for my heart, it’s a Survivor reference
17:21 A computer playing a top computer move 😂
Levi talking about all this brainy shit gets me nodding along and excited to play some chess! Then my 200 elo ass goes and hangs my queen every other game.
22:54 put its bishop on a dark square, ok levy
I recently played against this Torch Chess Bot and at the end of the game it moved its pawns to spell out the words "I'm trapped in this box, HELP ME!" What do you think it could mean?
He probably wanted to draw the game
I’m pretty sure that’s impossible because there isn’t enough pawns
@@charliez5394 really ?
wabts to kiss a female chess player even underrated
22:54 "...put its bishop on a dark square" I mean about 50% of bishops do that
Levy: This is madness
Me: This is magnus
Levy and Tortch should alternate moves against other worse bots to see if levy can make torch loose even though he's trying
But can the bot stare as intensely as Gotham?
22:55 when a computer puts the dark square bishop on a dark square?! 🤯
As a 70 elo player these games are unimaginable for me
100 minimum elo
Can u even get that low?
@@ghostbaconhair u kidding me
@@Jaskirat01 anything below 100 means ur intentionally trying to lose
60 ELO here. Totally agree.
I remember when Kasparov had a melt down over a move Deep Blue played against him in a game in 1996/97. Can you imagine him playing Torch today, his head would explode. Literally, figuratively, metaphorically and a bunch of other 'lys'.
So about that "a chessbot that is going to be the answer to, hopefully, in the long run, stockfish" part:
Why would you want a proprietary piece of software, developed by a predatory company to win over a community driven, open source engine?
I hope that if torch ever gets good enough, it will only motivate everyone to put it back in it's place again.
I know a decent amount(slightly above average) about how the bots are programmed to do what they do but i still always genuinely enjoy your videos about the chess bots and you just make it seem like an action movie every time.
Also stockfish evaluating the other engines games shows just how dominant it is 😂
Bro gothem is literally the most entertaining person because of his goofy jokes😂
He is a true content creator that caters his content to his goofy fanbase and our weird comments 😂
Npc comment
Who?
His goofy jokes tickles my funny bone
I do like seeing more top level engines, it makes it more interesting. I want to see more stockfish level engines battle it out. But it sucks that Torch isn’t open source.
23:43. Levy's famous line: THE ROOOK! Stare was 10/10 because of the unexpected moves!
22:55 ah yes. Putting the dark square bishop on to a dark square. Thanks levi 😅
After watching levy for 2 years, I can proudly admit that i started at 1 000 000 elo and i am now 100 elo. I would like to thank levy for all his help.
"Mmm, Yes, Yes, They are fighting for my leftovers"
i believe the reason its called torch is because it is run on python(python has a module for AI called PyTorch)
Sorry for my trashy explanation im not sure how to prperly explaining this.
Levy: and now white plays the top computer move me: wait a second
Levy - I’m a software dev. You’re good. Don’t worry about saying dumb things about programming. I say dumb things about chess all the time.
22:54 - "Put its bishop on a dark square."
Chess bots are gonna take over Levy
One suggestion would be to make it clear when the given opening ends and the engines play on their own.
Torch's playstyle makes me feel like the rooks are worth less than 5. probably 4 and a half or even as low as 4
13:00 offers en passant AND DOESNT TAKE
i was 1000 elo, but after watching gotham, im 100 elo. i just want to thank gotham for helping me improve my elo rating.
4:25😂😂😂😂 nice reaction
we need a pin of shame saying that this is clickbait
22:54 I never thought I will ever hear "...put it's bishop on a dark square"
I don't believe for a minute that this Torch is stronger than Leela, let's see how it does in a controlled environment like TCEC before we crown it. This is just marketing.
Agreed
I don't believe for a minute that this Leela is stronger than Torch, let's see how it does in a controlled environment like TCEC before we crown it.
Why not? It’s developed by a very successful company with many veterans in the field. Every time a company with this many resources developed a chess engine it has become number one (Deep Blue and AlphaZero)
Leela played with black pieces
is Leela you're gf?
Engines are so sick. A pawn advance at move 34 to facilitate a checkmate threat at move 56 - whaaaaat!? Nice episode. Thanks for the hard work!
Last time was 10,000 now 1,000,000?
0:48 alphazero: am I a joke to you?
Levy is so good. Here is an essay why:
Levy talks about chess, chess bots, grandmasters and alot more! He puts alot of effort into his videos to make his viewers comfortable. He explains every thing about the bot or GM at the moment. You should watch him, because he is happy for even 1 like. Thank you for reading this, i appreaciate every view.
22:54
"put its (dark squared) bishop on a dark square"
Levy rozman, Chess IM
Not a software engeneer, but.... Didn't in this very same video Gotham say that the French Defense is basically unplayable at the AI level? And then showed a game Torch won against the current #2 where the #2 plays the French? So... Torch isn't the new #2, I see.
French is definetly playable. Infact most classically trained engines (not NNUE) prefer french over c5, or c6. But I think engines prefer exchange french which kills the fun.
17:21 I feel like it shouldn’t be surprising that a computer plays the top computer move lol
Levy (GothamChess), your chess videos are the best - they're fun and teach me a lot! Keep up the great work!
17:20 Top computer move as if they aren't all computers.
Hey Levy (GothamChess)!
You're amazing at chess! Your videos are so fun to watch, and I've learned a lot from you. Your explanations make complicated stuff easy to understand, and your game analysis is awesome! Thanks for inspiring me to play more and get better at chess. Can't wait for your next video!❤
"How do you prevent your opponent from castling, is to by not letting them castle."
-Levy Rozman
When u see gothams video at midnight with a bowl of cereal . it feels like the start of something new 😇
Stockfish probably has something to say about this
Levy is the real chess bot here
Mittens: "Finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary"
Hi Gotham! I just played a chess game and got my first brilliant move! Can I contact you somehow and ask you to make a video about it? I am 300 ELO so it might be very fun, I absolutely love content you make, especially 200-300 ELO chess. Thank you early.
17:20 "in this position white plays the top computer move"
Me: wait a minute
Great vid as always!
Levy may not be a waiter, but he never fails to deliver!
Waiters serve and levy is serving Michelin star stuff out here
finnish people are involved in torch and stockfish 😎 they said if we can't produce super gms then we'll just beat them all with engines
RIP GothamChess, he will be remembered for kissing up to magnus too much.
Sometimes levy just breezes passed the most unhinged engine moves, and other times he acts like the most natural moves ever are insane. And I think that makes these videos even more entertaining
Today’s stare was simple, but I still felt Gotham sucking my soul 8/10
i am a computer developer and i worked on algorithms for chess/chess AI before and you do a wonderful job explaining in your videos of course not all technicalities are correct but most of them are and not all of them being correct is normal cause that is like asking an astronaut to be a well versed architect
Todays stare was good very soleless 9/10
I hope that this bot is gonna be available for us to play against since it will be useful for me in terms of preparation. Stockfish is fine but I wanna explore the playing style of Torch to hopefully learn something new.
This bot is gonna put Magnus to shame
What do you mean? A human does not need to be ashamed to lose to a bot. In case you didn't know, magnus is also a human.
@@saurishjayam5679 no way I didn't know Magnus is real😱😱
Mittens was already like 600 elo above Magnus
Please do a video on George Alan Thomas vs Edward Lakser in 1912
“In this position White plays the top computer move” bro this line killed me! And the completely straight delivery helps immensely (17:20)
Lmao at "put the bishop on a dark square" 😂 22:55
I did it. I finally was able to beat my old Mephisto Modena chess computer I got as a kid. I can finally quit chess now.
17:24 “and white plays the top computer move” wow really
we need a torch with stockfish vs hikaru and magnus
Hey man, love your videos - been watching for a few years now - but i was wondering if you could do a video on how much better ‘bots’ are than humans by starting the boys off with fewer pieces, maybe missing a knight, or bishop or both - would the bot (stockfish) win - and further to that same point, how many fewer pieces would it take for a bot to lose - i find the whole bot thing super fascinating!
The final SF vs Torch as 1000 games (500 pairs bias opening , with White try to win and with Black try to Draw, so 750 is almost the maxium points u can get).
SF wins 640 vs Torch 360 (+280 pairs)
SF 3862 vs Torch 3500 elo.
Dear levy, your fans will still watch your videos if they're not clickbaits.
23:43 that was one of the greatest "THE ROOOOOOOOOOOK"s you've ever done
Wow this bot is crazy strong 😮
Torch vs stockfish or mittens is going to be a banger