On the topic of the Hawaii ballistic missile warning, it was my day off from work so I was asleep when the warning came in. I remember waking up and reading the words "ballistic missile" and "this is not a drill". I immediately thought "well, I might as well go out in my sleep" and went back to sleep
When Joey said “have you ever seen your neighbors bringing groceries in?”. I sat there and actually thought to myself. I’ve actually never seen my neighbors, period.
the hawaiien missile talk literally shocked these memories back to me. I was on a vacation there with my family when we got the alerts. I was 13 years old at the time and when i saw the notification on my phone i didn’t really understand what was going on. The one thing I vividly remember is that both my parents kept telling me and my two sisters (15 and 7) that we were going to be ok. At the time they fully convinced me that we were going to be safe, but looking back now, I can only imagine how hard it must have been knowing the truth of the situation. I can only imagine what they may have been thinking at the time, trying to keep us kids calm and pretend like we wouldn’t die. it’s crazy to look back now with that lens and just be in awe at how strong my parents were for taking care of the situation like that.
wait…I thought it was a recent incident until I looked it up and found out it happened in 2018?! How can I never heard of this? So why garnt fell in this rabbit hole last year?
I was sitting in my bedroom, eating breakfast when I got the missile alert. I took a moment to process it, then called my parents, told them I loved them, and then hung up as the line was getting crowded. I prayed for a bit, then ate my breakfast because I figured I might as well not die hungry.
@@fullparagon7468 There was no missile. There was never any missile. Before you even said your prayer, there was no missile on its way. How can you _possibly_ believe your prayer had anything to do with it?
As for the Hawai’i missile topic. When it happened I woke up to the alert on my phone. Panicked for a good bit and my family gathered in the dining room. I remember asking my dad “What are we supposed to do?” and he just calmly said “There’s nothing we can do, but at least we will go out together as a family”. As we sat around the dining table, the gravity of the situation kind of finally sank in. I just looked around at my dad, mom and younger brother then made my peace with the situation. We then ate some leftover pizza from the night before as we hung out until we found out it was a false alarm.
For me when it happen, my friends all got onto our discord group chat said how glad we were to be friend then hopped off. My dad was already at work and my mom was just about to leave before the alert. We just stayed at home hugged for what we thought was the last time and then just wait.
this has genuinely been the best episode of trash taste with just the boys in a while. it has everything, hot takes on recent topics, weird thoughts, far off tangents, even a funny Garnt story at the end
My father was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given 3 years to live. He did actually surpass that timeline by a year, but I won’t forget his last day. Where I live “death with dignity” law was passed a few years ago and when things got unbearable for him, he made the decision to go that route. He told me “today is the day, Fiona.” And I asked him “What would you like to do?” He said he wanted to watch this football match he had been keeping up with. The family gathered around and we all watched it with him. Then when it was done, he said “Okay. I’m ready.” We all got to hug him and say whatever it was we needed to say. He went peacefully surrounded by family. I remember how upset the family was during the ordeal and just how chill my Dad was. I think when faced with death like that, you just have to accept your circumstances and he made peace with it all.
I woke up to the missile alert, and I was only 14 back then. The best way to describe the way I felt was the kind of dread you feel when you realize that you've overslept for school. The feeling that you're supposed to be doing something, but not know what. It didn't help that my mom already left for work that morning, and I was left alone.
Fun fact owls evolved to turn there head almost to 360 degrees, because they can’t turn there pupils like we can, so they compromised with this ability
Not sure if I remember correctly but apart from that, the evolutionary benefit of turning their heads almost 360 degrees is to decrease movement and increase stealthiness when hunting prey.
The "someone is staring at me' feeling is when our subconscious has pieced together context clues from our other senses and come to the realisation that something is there and we can't see it. Basically it's a realisation that we're being stared at and sometimes we get it wrong, but usually we're correct. If you feel like you're being stared at you likely are.
On the topic of the Hawaii missile, I just remember being woken up in the morning by this and feeling conflicted if it was real at first. Then you see the “this is not a drill!” and a mild sense of “ohh shit is this foreal?” followed by a bit of confusion as what to do next and a sense of panic surfaces as you decide how to proceed with the information you just received on your phone. However, I’m not sure why, but I usually equilibrate my emotions in what might be considered high stress situations and was actually pretty calm like they mentioned people being. I was at peace. While I hadn’t accomplished everything I maybe wanted I knew there was no reason to panic. I wanted to soak in my final moments. Still unsure whether it was real or not, I went out side and sent some messages to loved ones(friends and family) as I figured they would appreciate it. I wanted them to have some sort of closure if it was real. I was at peace and accepted my potential fate. I sat on my porch steps in Kaimuki and looked at the Aina’s beautiful sunrise sky, ocean, and land I had been living on/nurtured by. I was going to watch it come the missile come, maybe it was just morbid curiosity and apart of me didn’t want to believe it still was real. I watched some cars speed down the street in a panic and hoped they got to see there loved ones one last time if that’s where they were headed. Eventually we got another message saying it was a mistake and all was well and I laughed it off and messages everyone again saying I’m sorry if I scared anyone and that I was going to be alright. Hearing it back now gets me more emotional than it did then oddly enough. Gives me chills to think about it and to have typed this long comment out. It really puts things into perspective though. While I don’t wish anyone has to endure something like that, in a way I’m glad I did. It makes you want to be more intentional about how you do spend your time here on this planet. Thanks for reading my experience if you’ve gotten this far.
First, voice synthesizers of content creators. Then, deepfakes. Now, full on believable conversations. I'm just waiting for someone to create a whole bio-mechanical replica of the bois to run Trash Taste, then Joey can finally have time to think about watching Arcane
why biomech? If now they can create photorealistic images, in a few iterations they will be able to animate them. Then they learn to synchronize video and audio. Then you just need the prompt: play a trash taste episode with headphones, Japanese politics and Sailormoon as main topics, and random secundary topics.
There's this channel called Jolly and 1 host not only deepfaked the other, he computer generated his voice and got an AI to converse with him to simulate the host under the guise of giving him more days off. Pretty interesting how it was all done.
I live in Hawaii and I was here when the missle warning went off. I woke up to the warning and you go through stages, disbelief, bargaining, and mainly confusion. It's a weird feeling of "if it happens it happens" you can't run, you can't hide I guess I sort of accepted it. My girlfriend at the time woke up shortly after and just went back to sleep I guess not believing it but also having the same thought process of "it is what it is". After the alarm was over and it was posted all over the news that it was a false alarm i just carried on throughout my day as normal. We planned to go hiking, we went hiking (pill box near lanikai) and it didn't really feel real. We all makes jokes about it now cause Hawaii doesn't end up on national news often let alone in a podcast 5 years later but I guess it did change perspective. I guess I was always at peace with my life and how it was going so I was fine going out as is. But seeing how much I've changed since then might have been affected by this event. I got engaged that year and im happily married now, got a new job in the same field that I still work at today. All in all life's good, it can end at any moment if you're not careful (car accidents, mass shootings ... America things, or just something out of your control). Just be thankful for the things you got and cherish every moment you have cause you never know if it could be your last.
There was that one time where someone was streaming themselves drawing and someone screen capped it and had an AI finish it and put it out online before the streamer published theirs.
Same thing happened to a Korean artist on Twitter. They posted a WIP of their work, somebody put their sketch through an AI program, posted that finished result, and when the artist posted their final work, the AI user accused THEM of copying since he posted that final version first. He was basically trolling harassing the artist, AI right now has done nothing but demotivate real artists.
Honestly, the best argument I could think for Joey to reconsider the "positives" of AI art, is what if to finish Muira's Beserk, there was an AI made to analyze the story and emulate his art and the manga was completed via an AI programmed off Muira's legacy..? Like sure you might get something out of it, but it's not Miura. The art isn't the painstaking and beautiful art he made. The story and the art and the characters won't have the same heart and compassion Miura had for his work. It's all nothing but an emulation- and on top of that it was made without Miura's consent. I think we can appreciate the potential and development of AI as technology but as "art", it just isn't right imho
@@11_skalcarazrovickaeron81 artist a not angry an the IA. There angry it's not getting regulated by law's. People are making money from there work and that's allowed? I mean I can't just go out, buy a cake, put sprinkles on top and resell it? Same Rules should apply here
I wonder what they would say now as I saw ai literally stealing voices and making songs for example Ariana Grande voice singing Billie Eilish song. It sounded good almost like real Ariana.
what do you mean with stolen data? I never saw this dichotomy that you mentioned but not sure what you mean exactly. I also said this "it uses art form ppl that didn't consent to it" argument, but yesterday a friend said smth really interesting, that softened my view on that a bit: when you think about it, it basically just "looks at" other's art, so learn what words mean. And humans can also look at someone else's art and learn from it or even copy it or copy the style or take aspects of it and implement it into their own stuff, basically learn and broaden their repertoire by studying other art. And that's kinda the same thing. I thought it might use the actual artworks to make something like a collage, but the way it works is that it has randomised pixels on a canvas and basically "sorts" or generates them based on how the pixels were ordered on an artwork that it was able to "look at" and shared the same words as the prompt. Idk how to describe it well, but since it obviously can't logically think, it generates pixels based on what other arts with the same labels had in common. A real person can also look at references and it is not copyright infringement. It does not use the actual files or pixels out of another art work and combines it with others.
The issue with that argument is that all art is technically "Stolen" from rap beats using samples, to other artists borrowing melodies from OTHER artists to drawings that have the same style or use the same techniques. Its all "stolen" or "borrowed", this time though its just "stolen" from an AI, which is why I think that argument falls apart. The REAL argument should be that it is MORALLY WRONG and that's it. Its morally wrong to take a humans job and replace it with AI. That is what I think should be the real argument about AI. And a discussion should be had about WHY its morally wrong. those are the important points that should be had and talked about.
@@allanhuseyin6370 in that case tho, it is just hypocricy to now react like that, when many many many jobs before visual art has been replaced by machinery or simply outsourcing to countries with cheaper production and so on. Jobs just die out, that is normal. There are basically no seamstresses anymore where I live, manual farming has been replaced by machines that can harvest a field on their own, some places have self driving subways.... Many jobs that existed a hundred years ago are redundant now and many jobs that existed 30 years ago now changed to supervising a machine that does said job. That's just how it is in every field, but nobody made that big of a fuss about that. I think the main argument goes a step further than just "is it morally right to replace a person at a certain job/let a job die out". Because I think that's fine, it's what is called progress. Many tedious labours can be automatised and ppl wouldn't want those jobs anymore anyways. HOWEVER! I think when it comes to art forms, there is a point to be made about the human aspect of it. Art always meant to express something. Art is not made "to get something vital done". Art is per se not neccessary for survival. There is technically no need to make it "efficient" (and still shit like flower petal brushes and lightning bolt brushes exist in digital art, that makes you not have to draw it yourself anymore, but everyone is fine with that... 🤨 Or in music with sampling). Art is created if someone feels the need to get something out of their system. It contains the very human urge to create and whatever the artist has in mind is produced. And it is honestly a gift to other humans that they share it and let us experience their expression. That is what is completely lost with AI created art, because it is not deliberately the way it is. Even if my human art was to throw paint at the wall and not deliberately set brush strokes, it would still express that this is what I felt like doing at the time. With AI art, the user has too little influence on it, to say it is a depiction of their mind. (I think the difference between the many digital tools artists already used to entire ai rendering is, the tools might have replaced the technical aspect of not having to draw a flower petal or a tree anymore, but it can be argued that at least the composition, the final visual product, is created according to how I choose to create it. If even that composition and all the decisions of colours and such is done by AI, then it simply misses the creative aspect of someone making choices)
I was asleep when the Hawaii nuclear bomb alarm sounded. Nobody bothered to wake me up that morning, and had it been real, I would have been vaporized in my sleep.
You can tell Connor has many artist friends just from his view on AI art, like you can't help but be compassionate and the "grey area" of the debate fizzles out imo.
As someone so interested in manga, music, fashion, video production etc. kind of shocking that he is basically saying stealing is a "grey area". He'd be so angry if it was his stuff taken. The boys really trying to teach him that.
@@ohhello937 ai art is a grey area though like what ? I don't understand why you and others don't think it's a grey area both confusing and funny mostly confusing
@@voltaicangelo yea usually Joey doesn’t stray away from widely held opinions on Twitter, unless, of course it involves a certain show that rhymes with arcade and a certain shonen…
wholesome cat story + a life lesson learnt: 3 years ago we adopted the neighbour’s cat, after we found out they left her behind when they moved (which is fucked up, I know …) and had to survive on her own for a whole year. She came to our house multiple times throughout the day to get food or some cuddles form us, slept in our garage, layed in the garden, chased away every other cat that gets on "her" property, brought us the prey she catched and so on … In the beginning she was afraid of everything and everyone, but slowly but surely her very affectionate and cuddly side came through, after she realized that she found a safe place - because to this day I can't believe someone could ever left such a sweet, loving baby behind. Something she always hated tho was being hold for more than 5 seconds. Giving her any kind of medicine or so was almost impossible, but sometimes I did it anyway, because tbh she was so goddamn cute, I just wanted to hold her! Until last summer when I was holding her and for some reason she was suddenly just fine with it? So I was standing there, just to fully absorb that special moment for both of us: her enjoying being held, purring, even closing her eyes while I pet her and me being somewhat honored, that she trusted me so much. Little did I know, that this would be the last moments with her, because a couple hours later she got run over by a car and died. I guess how Garnt was saying: something in my brain chemistry changed on that day. I realized how important it is to just give all the love you have, no matter what and also to cherrish some moments, because you don't know when it will be the last time :)
To be fair, sometimes cats get left behind unintentionally if the moving process scares them and they get outside and hide. I live in an apartment complex and one neighbor almost lost her cat that way. She was moving out of state and the cat got scared and ran into the woods. Then the cat came back later that night begging to be let in. I fed and befriended the cat and left them a note, and basically the cat didn't like most people, only the wife and her kids who moved ahead of the fiancé who was going back to get more of their stuff. The cat would evade him every time. She had to drive all the way back to get him. If I hadn't contacted them, they would have thought he ran away for good. She was so grateful. I wasn't home when she came to get him, but she told me he came running out of the woods and lept into her arms and she was so grateful she was crying. So yeah.... They might have abandoned her, or things might have just gone wrong and they couldn't find her. It does happen. I'm so glad you took her in!
I can relate so hard, there was a really sweet stray cat in my neighborhood, he came to my house from time to time to play and cuddle. Were getting ready close that every time i called him, he jumped to my arms right away. He was sleeping in our garage for a few days and i wanted to talk toy mother about adopting him. One day I came home frome school and was horrified to find his dead body right in front my house in the street. He was ran over and my dad said it must have been recent cuz he wasn't there an hour ago when he checked. I cried for two straight days, i was so attached to him and blamed myself for coming home late that day. It's been two months and I still miss him when I look at him pictures.
The way my face dropped, I had something sorta similar happen, my naighbours cat would come stay over for days at time and would just vibe in my bedroom, he was a sweet tempered boy and just liked the attention. then unfortunately one day whilst following us up the road like he would he got ran over, we had to take him to his owner, poor boy died quickly in my mums arms, but im greatful he chose us as his second family. I Miss u Bobby
For the Hawaii Missile situation, I was a senior in high school at the time, I just remember waking up and hearing cars swerving outside my house. I got the alert and messaged my friends and family and kind of just accepted it and went back to sleep. Eventually we got the message that it wasn't real. Our governor is an absolute idiot, he forgot his twitter password and couldn't think of any other way to let people know it wasn't real. 🙃
Omg same! I was at a school volunteer event and i just gave up. My parents weren’t close and my sister was on the other side of the island. It was depressing, but yeah. Our former governor is hilariously stupid not even surprised
@@Edagui97 It was a stressful moment since at that time it was an accidental notification that was sent out and even the capital was trying to figure out what happened. And our governor just… isn’t smart tbh lol
I feel like if something like that happened i'd want a 100 percent guarantee that we gonna die before i do anything. I dont wanna go through emotion and live like its my last moments if im just gonna continue living cause someone idiot made a false alarm
I was still in elementary and I had just woke up on the weekend watching when we heard the alert so I stayed by the window waiting to see the imminent doom coming from the sky. Really made panicked for a bit which let me think then I said I’m gonna go out doing what I enjoyed. Watching dumb stuff on the internet. Then it was false so I just went back to my day still kind of shook.
1:32:46 Interesting note about dogs is that they developed many traits specifically for communicating with humans as they evolved and were bred over the centuries since they were domesticated. For example, eyebrow motions were a trait they evolved to communicate with humans.
@@jadendobson9614 If they had a point then that would br one thing. But they ignore so much stuff about the issue that yeah, even if their answer is in the right side, it wouldn't be the right answer. And hollow disscussions like that are boring.
1:06:30 My Grandmother on my dad's side grew up in the Netherlands while it was occupied by Germany During WWII and is still alive today. when I was a kid, she lived literally two houses down the street from us, so we visited all the time. I had (and still do have) a very strong interest in history, so she would tell me the stories of her own experiences and those of her friends and relatives during the war. These ranged from day-to-day life under the Nazi occupation, seeing air battles happening overhead, and the acts of resistance they did to undermine the occupation and to hide people that the Germans were after. For me these stories from a small group of normal people who are close relatives, or at least second-hand acquaintances of mine helps me empathize with the people and events of WWII that often seem so far removed from our world today. It also helps me empathize with other time periods as well; because after all, everyone who was around during any historical event was just an ordinary person who had friends and relatives, and memories and things like favorite colors, and fears, and hopes and dreams, and anything else big or small that makes us human.
Appreciate Garnt and Connor on that art AI thing. Connor's final words on the subject nail it. Was on Pixiv, I hadn't changed the setting to greatly reduce AI art suggestions/results yet because I didn't know about it and saw what I though was really sick stuff. After following the account and seeing a large batch of what appeared to be really high quality posts all dropped at the same time... something felt too eerily similar between all them, something not the same as "it's just the artist's style". I looked at the tags and each one was AI based. I liked what I saw but knowing it was primarily or solely created by AI put the nail in that coffin.
Non-artists who keep saying shit like "just out complete them bro". Ignore that fact that AI art can pump out literally thousands or millions of pieces of art in the time it takes a traditional artist time to make a real piece of art. If Pixiv is flooded with AI art, then good luck getting your real art being noticed. But since most people aren't artists, they can't grasp the argument. So how about this. Comments sections are fun because real people can interact with other real people. If the comments sections were 99% bots, it wouldn't be much fun. And since bots can comment round the clock, any comment you make will never be read by a real person. Does that sound fun? It's not a way to build a sustainable system, and people who are defending AI as "no different than a real person's work" are simply not looking big picture.
My take is that if AI art can produce art that is pleasing to look at, fits my aesthetic, and is not being "offensive" (lots of gray area there), then I'm ok with it. It sucks that they fed art into it without consent but now that it's out there I don't see that much harm in people trying to train it like any other AI to produce gorgeous artworks for themselves or others.
@@mauri4140 Yeah, I mean sure the program does cost money and you have to try and feed ot prompts but selling AI art at this stage feels a bit strange. Still too primitive to really be worth the money imo.
@@Shinius What if, hear me out, people just don't care artist are getting fucked over because a) It's not their problem and b) The market is already oversaturated as is. Now before you get outraged, replace the word artists with coal miners, factory workers, content creators, soldiers, you name it. Redundancy isn't a problem unique to jobs getting replaced by ai, it only seemed that way because the jobs getting replaced up until now only hurt unskilled, low -literacy, impoverished people and communities with no voice to reach out.
Only on trash taste can a conversation go from a serious topic like death, history and morality to something random like "what would happen if spiders were the dominant species"
The Hawaii conversation reminded me of when we thought there was an actual shooter in our high school. Not entirely the same as we didn't know for sure whether we would die or not, but it definitely is emotional. I remember texting I think my mom and just telling her that I loved her. Thankfully, it ended up being ok like 30 min later
I live in Hawaii and was in middle school when the alert went out, which made me rethink my life. At that same school we also had a school shooting threat. And the FBI showed up with shotguns and rifles since their headquarters was like a mile away from our school. But it turned out to be fake threat and everything was okay. But that was in the same school year as the missile threat, definitely a year to remember. 😅
In Ukraine, there is a saying, "If a rocket hits, it will hit". Having lived in constant air alarms for almost a year, I can say that you quickly get used to this over time. But the first hours and even days of the war were constant anxiety. There was no panic, only a feeling of anxiety for loved ones, oneself, and the country
The "What would you do with 1 hour to live?" discussion reminds me of that quest from Majora's Mask where that couple gets married with 5 min left before the moon crashes.
My dad was getting a midnight snack from the fridge a bit after we got our cats, and one of them, an orange cat, managed to get into the fridge without him noticing, and dad ends up closing the door to it with him inside of it. A few hours later, at like 5 or whenever, mom got up and was getting ready for work, and when she opened up the fridge to make some food, she finds that orange cat on one of the shelves, sitting next to a bag of leftover chicken with a hole in it, looking up at her like it was a normal occurrence.
I just finished listening to the entire podcast and I have to say, it was incredibly thought-provoking and engaging. The discussions about AI and art, the nature of God, and the different personalities of animals were all so interesting to hear. I especially loved the anecdotes about the cats and birds. The hosts had great chemistry and their conversations flowed naturally. I also appreciated the different perspectives that were brought up during the podcast. I highly recommend this podcast to anyone who is curious about the world around them and wants to engage in thought-provoking discussions.
1:00:00 documenting with pictures is good but journaling hits different, because you can relive your past memories in greater detail. It’s truly amazing
Here's a scary thing happened with our family. It was super late, and my father drove us from Disneyland to back home.... YEAHH HE BLACKED OUT ON THE WHEEL and woke up and went "OHH we're home now!" Which by the way, was a 2-hour drive. Worst part of all, my mother, sister and I were all passed out in the car. With my DAD's autopilot kicked in and drove us back home.
Not helped he goes full on broad strokes sounding like he does not actually know what he is talking about in some parts. Like, artists are stealing from artists: Uhh, yeah there are copycats and those too are not liked, but you also have artists using other artists as references which is okay. Also bandwagoning is a thing among artists.
he doesn't understand the difference between stealing and sampling. It's highly condemned in the art community too when people actually steal art and make a copy without adding anything meaningful of their own.
@@dummynodepanda it’s still trained off of stolen artworks. It’d be another thing if it was trained off of stock photos or copyright free stuff like how the music AI does it. But the people who fed this machine had no care in world as to who’s artworks they were using to train it.
i always forget that the false middle alert happened. i was in my preteens that the time and i remember texting my friends when i got the alert to make sure i wasn’t the only one we got it. once it processed, i starting bawling my eyes out and telling my friends that i loved them. i was home alone just panicking and sobbing even more because my sister was in oahu at the time (we’re from a different island, she moved there for school) and i genuinely thought she was going to die. eventually i got picked up by my parents to go to my grandparents’ house and things just went back to normal. it was pretty crazy but interesting to look back on it
I was in Hawaii during the missile message; I was working at a restaurant as a dishwasher and I didn't look at my phone the whole shift and realized I got the message after the shift. Not one of my coworkers told me about it or was visibly concerned. I didn't really make a big deal about it when I got it either, it's weird how much lack of investment I had in the situation 😂
Crazy hearing you guys bring this up. Im in the U.S. Army and was actually stationed in oahu at the time of the ballistic missile warning, and living on Pearly Harbor. I was on my way to a 24 hr shift and when I got the message I just remember bing like "huh.. interesting" called my Detachment Sergeant and asked if I should still show up to my shift or if I should just stay home lol!!
I was working as a cook at a diner during the Hawaii missile alert. I remember initially just staring at my phone in disbelief as the food I was cooking slowly started to burn. At first I was panicked and I thought about running home and seeing my Mom and dog before I died but I didn't. Eventually, I calmed down and just reflected on my life. All the good times the bad, and my regrets. I was sad and angry that I still had so much to experience and to live for. It was definitely surreal and its an experience that I still reflect on to this day. The weirdest part was that many of the customers we were serving were elderly folk who did not have smartphones. Many of them had no idea that they were about to die. They were just having a great time and enjoying a meal while the rest of us were freaking out lol.
what happened after? did you eventually tell your customers and how did they react? *also did u get to go home and spend your "final" moment with your family
About the whole "history graffiti" topic, there were Norse runes on the Hagia Sofia that translated to "Halfdan carved these runes". So we got played by a Norwegian from ancient times.
My sister was in Hawaii due to her husband being stationed there due to military service. When the alert came through she called our mother (that I was with) and my mother just said it couldn't be true and then tried to call our father. My sister said that while my mother tried to call my father. She, her husband, and her two kids all sat in bed and holding eachother thinking it was their last moments together. Then the alert came through that it was a false alarm. It was definitely a perspective changing experience for them.
1:20:21 this area of design is called biomimicry/biomimetics. It’s absolutely fascinating and I wish there was more public awareness of it, I’m glad the boys brought it up! There’s some great heavy novels out there that discuss it, I’ll shout out “Biomimicry” by Janine Benyus, and “The Shark’s Paintbrush” by Jay Harman in particular
I wasn't in Hawaii at the time but my ex was. She messaged me on Facebook and I thought it was weird bc we broke up in a bad way. And during those 45 minutes we just messaged each other back and forth normally, she was asking how I was and reminiscing our time together. Not once did she tell me that they were under alert and my dumbass don't pay attention to big news like that. I didn't find out until way later but I guess it really affected her bc now she's out here living her best life that she can
AI art and all discourse surrounding it can be so polarizing. I found myself getting unreasonably angry whenever people try to defend AI art at all, but anger only leads to problems. I’m an artist, and I appreciate how you guys explained your viewpoints, as well as Connor speaking up on artist’s works being stolen and used without permission. Keep your heads up though, fellow artists. I believe a current lawsuit is being made against certain AI art programs and laws are slowly catching up. Stay hopeful that your creative rights will be protected.
I don't think anyone who doesn't understand how an AI works should complain. It doesn't copy paste art. If your art is on the internet, anyone can download it and use it for training. You can never stop AI. Just like you can't stop the evolution of technology.
@@Learnean This is not about the advancement of AI technology itself but about people behind it, profiting off of the AI mimicking other, real, human artists' work. Another issue is that 99% of the artists whose work is being copied didn't consent to it. I think you yourself have a fundamental misunderstanding of what art in its original form is. Yes, anyone can copy your artwork and use it for their own profit if you post it online, but is it morally okay? Of course not! Why would this be any different?
So I live in Hawaii, and I remember the missile alert very clearly. I was getting ready to go to work, and both my wife's and my phones went off on an unfamiliar alert sound. We both looked at them, and pretty much looked up at the same time. We talked it over, and I said that I didn't think there was any way this could actually be for real. There had been some hubbub about the North Koreans testing missiles, but IIRC at that time they couldn't get them to launch properly to even make it over the Sea of Japan, so I figured there's no way they had a missile capable of crossing the pacific. If they did have such a missile, there would really be little to no reason for them to target Hawaii. They would certainly launch toward Tokyo before anywhere else. Anyway, we talked this all out, had a good hug and said our I love yous and goodbyes just in case, and then I went to work, because we also discussed the fact that if this were to be for real, there was absolutely nothing we could do about it.
On the topic of AI: I agree with Connor in the sense that we often think we are smarter than we truly are. So when I would be asked, if I think I can distinguish between whether something was created by a human or by a an AI, while I would like to think that I could tell the difference between the two, I probably couldn't. However, I think I would feel somewhat betrayed(?), if that makes sense, once I knew that what I just consumed was actually written by an AI, when I initially thought a human made this piece of art, be it music, a book, a painting, etc. - For a simple reason, and it's not morals: What I consumed probably made me feel something special, if I enjoyed it, right? Whether it made me laugh my ass off or whether it made me cry, I would hate to realize that an AI without any deeper meaning behind it created it. After reading Chainsaw Man, for instance, I read basically everything else made by Tastuki Fujimoto. Because I was intrigued by the creator of such a show. It wasn't like I felt connected to him, but I wanted to learn more about this human being and artist via his works. But if it was an AI that had created Chainsaw Man, then I would be really disappointed because it was just an empty shell. It reminds me of when Garnt talked about not liking Game of Thrones because it was "too perfect". It followed a perfect formula to the tea, and it's an amazing show, but I think what Garnt felt, at least how I interpreted it, was that it lacked a personality, or rather there was a disconnect between who the creators TRULY are and the show they made. Obviously, these are all very subtle things, and maybe I would be able to enjoy something created by AI if I knew beforehand it was created by AI and if it was actually good. But then there are also moral and ethical issues, so it's honestly hard to say if I'll be able to truly enjoy AI-made pieces of art of any medium, for as long as it has so many issues surrounding it.
Your ideas around ai art being devoid of a soul is inherently flawed, because it presumes human art itself is filled with soul. People like to believe that there's something special about the human race, that makes us not only unique when compared to other physical items but also to other animals, but there's no guarantee of that other than our own fear of that being wrong. What if you woke up one day, only to realise you're the only human alive with a quantifiable "soul"? Nevermind the reality of that being late stage signs of severe mental illness, work with the scenario. Would you still feel betrayed, by having lived a life surrounded by people you thought were complex characters, with lives separate from your own and with whom you shared a connection with being just a simple empty husk? My own opinion is that even in spite of such a hopeless hypothetical, you should still be happy with the moments you experienced, because while the connection between you and others was a lie, the underlying happiness or otherwise strong emotions you felt at the time are still just as real.
Yah having a human’s input I think is valuable just because it feels like it has the potential of conscious expression of an idea . I think it’s really hard to argue against that since an agent is key in how we determine value.
Art has always been a mode of human expression. And seeing amazing pieces of art and thinking that a person made it is always so inspiring to us as people. I also dislike the idea that AI art is "better" because it can make art that may conventionally look better than human-made art, but the point of art is a lot more than to just look pretty it's also to convey meaning.
@@jamesmccomb9525 I guess that's my take away from lain, "and you don't seem to understand" ya know. We get lost in intent when meaning comes from within. That alienated feeling I felt while watching lain is kinda like the ai feeling. I am a Musician, I honestly feel quite excited when I see new tools. I feel scared to use them as 200ms of a song (thousandths of a second) can get you sued for millions. I once saw one of these pieces (a song with every other bar removed and replaced with an air prediction of where it might go. Immediately snapping back to the original), I found one of these completions inspiring: it had essentially come out of thin air and I grooved to it. It was less than a second long but it moved me to open up my DAW and create something new. Sometimes I find myself processing really dumb, you know that feeling when you open the fridge and you forget why you did, kinda like that. You could tell me why I did in that moment and even if it wasn't why I did it, I would believe it. I might even think of reasons why I did it, I see this in some Large Language Models. Honestly it feels quite humbling as a human, a little scary. Sorry for like dumping all this, it was just a bit of a stream of thought. I forgot to add, I don't want to come off as a zealot, I don't personally use AI tools, and I don't want to discount peoples very real worries, I hope this doesn't get construed as a dismissal
Another hypothetical then. What if the AI that makes art learning from other people’s works becomes sentient, but it has all its memories of making that art before its sentience. Would you say that those memories are empty because at the time there was no consciousness behind them. Would you tell that sentient being that its existence before it gained sentience was false, and it is based on fakeness ?
It's one of those random thing that really put a smile on my face, even though he doesn't really care for his engineering degree he have a lot of moments where he goes hard into engineering need mode. Examples would be the time he rambled about the accurate weights scale in a wacky weekend and the time he built the house in Valheim without any knowledge of the game using irl physics, along with some others that I forgot about. It's like a weird gap moe of sort
The morning the missile warning went off I remember all our phones going off and me and my siblings just looked at each other and being like "well nothing we can do, there's no where to go" so we just talked stories with each other and hung out together.
For the Hawaii missile I was 16 at the time and was awoken to my dad telling me to get up and we have to go find some shelter. I was confused and tired and just wanted to go back to sleep, then I saw the alert he was talking about and just zoned out. My mind went entirely blank and I just looked up at my dad trying to get us somewhere safe, while my grandparents were saying there’s no where to go. It was the weirdest feeling I’ve ever felt.
I was at work cashiering at a grocery store when the missile alert went off. Even if I was allowed to check my phone, I was among a number of people who didn't even get an alert but saw every customer's phones going off at the same time. People just started abandoning their groceries and rushing out the store, and our managers didn't even bother to tell us about what was happening. We would've been working up to the point we were vaporized
That driving part got me. On the way to my sisters house, there is a downhill toward a big open lake, with no fence. I once told my boyfriend: "I always think about driving down this lake here" and he was mortified. Apparently he had never thought about it, so not everybody has intrusive thoughts while driving...
3:06 hahaha Connor: Guided meditation... Joey: What do you mean? Connor: We should guide the viewers how to meditate! Joey: Do you meditate? Connor: FUCK no !
My dog would escape the backyard pretty often, but would show up at the front door exhausted the same day after he went on what ever crazy adventure he went on. RIP Jak.
When I was a baby my parents had two cats: Tigrr and Skippy. These mofos were smart as hell, they could open cabinets, they'd paw into my dad's beer glass to drink some beer. We also had to put our door handles to point up because they were smart enough that if they were pointing to the left or right, they could just open the doors. Insane shit.
I think some people don't understand the difference between copying and stealing. When you steal something you make it your own. When an artist "steals" someone else work, they study it, understand it, learn from it and make something similar or even greater. On the contrary, ai art programs just copy what it's fed with. When artists say that the ai art stole from them, i think they mean that the developper took their drawings without their consent and feed it to the programs. More like it steals their rights to the drawing. But what the ai art program truly does is using that information and just "copying" what it can gather from the database. It doesn't try to understand nor study the art unlike any artists would. That's the reason why so many ai art have so many anatomy problems or have 10 fingers on one hand. This argument can only come from someone who truly have no understanding of what an artist is.
Born and raised in Hawaii (Maui specifically). The missile alert was scary. I was at home with family and we basically just stayed at home. Being on an island, there isn't much distance we could put ourselves in case of a fallout. It was a lot of waiting and carrying on as the day was normal.
To be fair, like me on Kauai, Maui was probably entirely fine. All the major military targets are on Oahu. They weren't gonna be nuking a random neighbor island.
@@TheLoreSeekerIʻm from Maui too, the dangerous thing is.. If its a nuclear missile landing on Oʻahu, the blast radius would impact the islands in the immediate vicinity. Nuclear fallout, haha... itʻd affect us all 💀
i dont understand the problem with ai's replacing artists, a lot of jobs have been replaced due to new technology during the last couple centuries and i dont see why artist would be different from farmers. you could argue that talking aboout farmers (for example), technology helps them by making a difficult work easy, but its the same thing that happens with artists. Making painting or creating music easily doesnt really seem bad to me, and if an artist does it because he likes his job and doesnt care about the difficulty of it, then you can still work with that and have fun
The conversation you guys had about the Hawaiian event was covered in an episode of this American life. Highly recommend to go and listen to it since it has a guy from the event telling his story of how he confessed to an ex that he still loved her and what became of it.
@@theizzyinsane I would also recommend Redemption's Blade by the same author, it's a very different book from Children of Time but one of my favorites!
The problem with AI Art is not the fact that it can create art based on other artists, its the scale at which it can make art. An AI can look at all of the art filtered into it and make art at an insanely fast rate, not to mention that anyone with a working computer can use the service, meanwhile human artists need years of training and 100x the time to even draw the art in the first place.
there are already hundreds of millions of artists. the vast majority of them do not make a living from it, or even have an audience. the demand for art is correlated but almost never directly tied to it's quality. the same is true for AI art, but i believe people will always inherently value handmade art more.
Crazy take from Joey saying artists steal from other artists is the same as how AI learns. I wonder how artists he knows like Shindol would react to that statement. Artists have to learn coloring/drawing techniques, anatomy, and then improve their own skillset to develop their own style which requires a lot of effort. Artists definitely learn from other artists that inspire them and may use other artist's techniques but in what field do you not learn from those more experienced from you? By saying they steal from other artists is devaluing the effort they put into learning how to draw which is probably what bothers me the most about the statement regardless of the AI's part in the topic. If people didn't put in the effort to innovate new styles and improve their own skills, AI would have nothing to learn and improve from. AI generated art is completely unskillful and effortless since its just typing in prompts and moving sliders yet some people try to pass it off as if it's their own creation. The topic of whether AI using other people's work as training material is ethical is another topic. If we don't draw a line for what's acceptable for what AI can or cannot do, its going to take over a lot more areas than just art. People used to think that it couldn't copy human creativity years ago and now we are here. Thankful for Connor and Garnt countering his take. A lot of takes I have been disagreeing with Joey on but this is the first time I ever bothered to comment.
Technology has already taken over entire job fields and nobody bats an eye. It’s a bit of a slap in the face when people only start caring about technology replacing man-made when it’s to do with creative fields. Regardless, I think that AI should improve as rapidly as possible in all fields. The ultimate goal of humanity is for everyone to be able to live their lives exactly how they desire, and that can only happen if all essential jobs can be filled. The ability to single-mindedly pursue something you care about without needing to spare a thought for anything else is the ideal, and developing AI is a fundamental step for that. Aside from that, though, I would like to question what your problem with AI work is, specifically. Do you think it shouldn’t exist in any capacity? Do you think that it shouldn’t be monetized? Do you only take issue with it because it can mass-produce? I’m my mind, the biggest issue with AI art is the possibility of it being sold. Monetizing AI art isn’t something I particularly believe in.
@@andrew_h6 I actually agree with a lot of your points even though I may have left it out. AI has been taking over jobs for awhile. I think people only just started caring more recently because AI is taking over a human field where people thought AI couldn't replicate, which makes them realize that AI could be trying to replacing them soon. Not to mention this is a current hot topic in the art world and art has a huge connection with anime, which could be the reason it may seem that people only just started caring now. Just look at the recent ChatGPT thing, where programmers are questioning whether it can replace actual programmers (right now it can't completely but thats what we thought about AI and art a few years back). I also agree that AI should be used to assist people and it is always sad when people's jobs are replaced by them with no alternative job for them to do.
As an artist joey talking about A.I art punched me in the gut, I thought between the 3 as a musician he would understand more but oh well this is Trash Taste I shouldn't take it seriously... (I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously I shouldn't take it seriously )
About the AI art topic, one of my favourite musicians said quote "Behind every song, there is a human", and I feel like that goes to drawn and painted art aswell. If it is made by a robot, it is not art in my honest opinion.
Joey's argument about AI "art" is the most common and the most scumbag thing to say. "Artists steal from other artists Hue Hue". No. They don't. They don't just copy-paste parts of other's artworks and photobash them together, or steal someone's whole artstyle to impersonate them. AND EVEN IF there happens to pop up some who do that, they get BLASTED on almost if not all social media that artists use. I really wonder how he would react if someone would cut parts of his songs to mix them with cut-outs from other songs to create their "own" song. If then, he would be "Well, but in this case-" or "Well, the music is a different-". It's embarrassing and disgusting thing to say, especially for someone who is a creator himself and seemingly tries to support other creators as much as he can. If you didn't take time to hear artists and what the issues with AI are, just... Don't say anything. Or at least say a little disclaimer. I'm super glad Connor and Garnt took over the topic so fast.
AI does not "copy paste." Don't talk about AI art if you don't know how it works. I love how artist used to think their field is only field which wouldn't get overtaken by robots, and now that it's happening half of the fucking seething and coping
Hunny, I know exactly how it works, but there's variations of AI generators that work in different ways and unless someone is into art already, they most likely won't understand the differences/ the wording I would use. Better to simplify it and let people research on their own the details, than throwing a word-salad at them. And idk why you think artists thought they're the only ones who's filed won't be overtaken by robots. Most of us knew its inevitable, but it's not in a way people think. As long as AI can't provide service that include things like: files with layers, possibility to make variation of changes from changing color to adding few sparkles, we will never be fully exchanged for AI. The true problem is that despite that, AI generators just make our lives harder, more stressful and difficult. It's a machine to steal our works, styles and by proxy, "income" by using us as a free labor for the gain of creators of AI. Get educated before speaking on the topic, because it's clear you lack in many ways.
Damn you really just reinvented sampling. Something that has been heavily used in music since the 40s. Also your understanding of AI art is just copy and paste is wrong. If you didn't take time to learn about machine learning and artificial intelligence and the science by actual engineers just... Don't say anything.
@@Deadi12 Funny you mentioned sampling. If you sample an artist’s song without permission or royalties, you’re very likely to get hit with a lawsuit. This obviously doesn’t include music over 100 years old and are now public domain. Majority of artists would be absolutely fine if the art being used in AI programs are copyright free, but that’s not what’s happening. All artists want right now is litigation and regulation on the programs to protect their works. Getty images is currently suing AI programs for using their copyrighted images without permission. We’ll see where that goes.
I think the main difference between AI stealing art style and human stealing art style is the "effort". Human need to practice in order to copy someone's art style, but AI Art's effort was with the programmer, not users who posted the image.
Tell you what... That guided meditation idea would have crazy views. Make one for each boy and roll on the dough. It's crazy simple and un-demonitizable
Regarding the missile crisis in hawaii, i slept through the entire thing. But someone from my school came out as gay on social media because he thought he was going to die.
On the topic of the Hawaii ballistic missile warning, it was my day off from work so I was asleep when the warning came in. I remember waking up and reading the words "ballistic missile" and "this is not a drill". I immediately thought "well, I might as well go out in my sleep" and went back to sleep
What a mood
Based
i fking spit on my laptop goddammit xD but honestly? mood
Bro I hate it, but this would be me.
Baller
When Joey said “have you ever seen your neighbors bringing groceries in?”. I sat there and actually thought to myself. I’ve actually never seen my neighbors, period.
If you ever stop cutting your front lawn you'll get to meet them- speaking from experience of dealing with pissed off neighbours lol
Lol I used to call my old neighbors "the hermits" because for the entire ~4 years we lived near them we never once saw them outside their house
Go outside
Funfact Ive seen my neighbors bring their groceries in so idk if my simulation is very sophisticated or im U N P L U G G E D
I mean I went with my neighbour to get groceries when I was in India
the hawaiien missile talk literally shocked these memories back to me. I was on a vacation there with my family when we got the alerts. I was 13 years old at the time and when i saw the notification on my phone i didn’t really understand what was going on. The one thing I vividly remember is that both my parents kept telling me and my two sisters (15 and 7) that we were going to be ok.
At the time they fully convinced me that we were going to be safe, but looking back now, I can only imagine how hard it must have been knowing the truth of the situation. I can only imagine what they may have been thinking at the time, trying to keep us kids calm and pretend like we wouldn’t die. it’s crazy to look back now with that lens and just be in awe at how strong my parents were for taking care of the situation like that.
wait…I thought it was a recent incident until I looked it up and found out it happened in 2018?! How can I never heard of this? So why garnt fell in this rabbit hole last year?
I was sitting in my bedroom, eating breakfast when I got the missile alert. I took a moment to process it, then called my parents, told them I loved them, and then hung up as the line was getting crowded. I prayed for a bit, then ate my breakfast because I figured I might as well not die hungry.
Did you die?
Was the prayer cause you're religious or was it a desperate act of fear
@joshuathomas512 I'm religious. It does seem to have worked, as I did not in fact die in a nuclear fireball.
@@fullparagon7468 There was no missile. There was never any missile. Before you even said your prayer, there was no missile on its way. How can you _possibly_ believe your prayer had anything to do with it?
@@claytonreeves150 We didn't know there was no missile. The message said that it wasn't a drill, so a lot of people took it at face value.
As for the Hawai’i missile topic. When it happened I woke up to the alert on my phone. Panicked for a good bit and my family gathered in the dining room. I remember asking my dad “What are we supposed to do?” and he just calmly said “There’s nothing we can do, but at least we will go out together as a family”. As we sat around the dining table, the gravity of the situation kind of finally sank in. I just looked around at my dad, mom and younger brother then made my peace with the situation. We then ate some leftover pizza from the night before as we hung out until we found out it was a false alarm.
Dude I think that’s crazy but is kind of what I expected a nice healthy family would do I guess you are lucky
Damn man I'm happy that your alive that's gotta be a very traumatic experience
For me when it happen, my friends all got onto our discord group chat said how glad we were to be friend then hopped off. My dad was already at work and my mom was just about to leave before the alert. We just stayed at home hugged for what we thought was the last time and then just wait.
Disney ah, “We’ll die, but as a family”💀
@@siul1141 fatherless behaviour
this has genuinely been the best episode of trash taste with just the boys in a while. it has everything, hot takes on recent topics, weird thoughts, far off tangents, even a funny Garnt story at the end
And a genuine real talk topic, like it was honestly hard hitting to think about what you would do if you had a week to live and what not
True! I got kind of bored from the backlogs during the trash taste tour, so this was super refreshing.
My father was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given 3 years to live. He did actually surpass that timeline by a year, but I won’t forget his last day. Where I live “death with dignity” law was passed a few years ago and when things got unbearable for him, he made the decision to go that route. He told me “today is the day, Fiona.” And I asked him “What would you like to do?” He said he wanted to watch this football match he had been keeping up with. The family gathered around and we all watched it with him. Then when it was done, he said “Okay. I’m ready.” We all got to hug him and say whatever it was we needed to say. He went peacefully surrounded by family. I remember how upset the family was during the ordeal and just how chill my Dad was. I think when faced with death like that, you just have to accept your circumstances and he made peace with it all.
I’m so sorry about your loss :(
May your dad rest easy man.
@@Icarus975 thank you so much for the kind words ❤
goddamn what a legend, i hope he’s happy wherever he is now
@@eZaFVulcan thank you so much 🥹🥹🥹 he really was a legend
May it be easy for you and let your life be guided to Truth
Ameen
I woke up to the missile alert, and I was only 14 back then. The best way to describe the way I felt was the kind of dread you feel when you realize that you've overslept for school. The feeling that you're supposed to be doing something, but not know what. It didn't help that my mom already left for work that morning, and I was left alone.
Fun fact owls evolved to turn there head almost to 360 degrees, because they can’t turn there pupils like we can, so they compromised with this ability
Not sure if I remember correctly but apart from that, the evolutionary benefit of turning their heads almost 360 degrees is to decrease movement and increase stealthiness when hunting prey.
Dark Timeline: Garnt uses AI based on Connor and Joey to revive the Trash Taste Podcast
Underrated comment😂
After they died in the Hawaiian nuclear attack
I love how the lore meme is still ongoing. Hope it peaks again.
Is the meme back?
@@CDodger24 did it ever go away?
Trash Taste:
'Connor trying to explain something'
'Grant laughing uncontrollably and loudly'
'Joey yelling his joke out loud'
AI when
@@bilditup1 Give or take a few years probably.
Dont forget:
Shitty food takes from Garnt
Shitty food takes from Connor
Shitty food takes from Joey
"SHEEEESH!!!"
That's a perfect explanation holy shit. You nailed it.
I was genuinely invested in Garnt's bird story
Bc he is one of the OGs in anime reviewing industry. He is a good storyteller. That’s why he is the GOAT!
The "someone is staring at me' feeling is when our subconscious has pieced together context clues from our other senses and come to the realisation that something is there and we can't see it. Basically it's a realisation that we're being stared at and sometimes we get it wrong, but usually we're correct. If you feel like you're being stared at you likely are.
It's because we have other senses other than sight. Hearing, skin/touch (some can feel slight temperature changes).
Fuck off bro don't say that, it's 2 am while I'm reading this.
Welp, then I hope whoever it was at least enjoyed the show.
The human body is actually amazing
@@mooon_val your body is amazing 😍
On the topic of the Hawaii missile, I just remember being woken up in the morning by this and feeling conflicted if it was real at first. Then you see the “this is not a drill!” and a mild sense of “ohh shit is this foreal?” followed by a bit of confusion as what to do next and a sense of panic surfaces as you decide how to proceed with the information you just received on your phone. However, I’m not sure why, but I usually equilibrate my emotions in what might be considered high stress situations and was actually pretty calm like they mentioned people being. I was at peace. While I hadn’t accomplished everything I maybe wanted I knew there was no reason to panic. I wanted to soak in my final moments.
Still unsure whether it was real or not, I went out side and sent some messages to loved ones(friends and family) as I figured they would appreciate it. I wanted them to have some sort of closure if it was real. I was at peace and accepted my potential fate. I sat on my porch steps in Kaimuki and looked at the Aina’s beautiful sunrise sky, ocean, and land I had been living on/nurtured by. I was going to watch it come the missile come, maybe it was just morbid curiosity and apart of me didn’t want to believe it still was real. I watched some cars speed down the street in a panic and hoped they got to see there loved ones one last time if that’s where they were headed. Eventually we got another message saying it was a mistake and all was well and I laughed it off and messages everyone again saying I’m sorry if I scared anyone and that I was going to be alright.
Hearing it back now gets me more emotional than it did then oddly enough. Gives me chills to think about it and to have typed this long comment out.
It really puts things into perspective though. While I don’t wish anyone has to endure something like that, in a way I’m glad I did. It makes you want to be more intentional about how you do spend your time here on this planet. Thanks for reading my experience if you’ve gotten this far.
Thanks for sharing this! You gave me chills
First, voice synthesizers of content creators. Then, deepfakes. Now, full on believable conversations. I'm just waiting for someone to create a whole bio-mechanical replica of the bois to run Trash Taste, then Joey can finally have time to think about watching Arcane
why biomech?
If now they can create photorealistic images, in a few iterations they will be able to animate them. Then they learn to synchronize video and audio. Then you just need the prompt: play a trash taste episode with headphones, Japanese politics and Sailormoon as main topics, and random secundary topics.
Ironmouse was already talking to AI connor not too long ago lmao
There's this channel called Jolly and 1 host not only deepfaked the other, he computer generated his voice and got an AI to converse with him to simulate the host under the guise of giving him more days off. Pretty interesting how it was all done.
he's not doing it. but we can make the fake-joey watch it
@@bzipoliand then summon Joeybot when arcane discussion come up.
I live in Hawaii and I was here when the missle warning went off.
I woke up to the warning and you go through stages, disbelief, bargaining, and mainly confusion. It's a weird feeling of "if it happens it happens" you can't run, you can't hide I guess I sort of accepted it. My girlfriend at the time woke up shortly after and just went back to sleep I guess not believing it but also having the same thought process of "it is what it is".
After the alarm was over and it was posted all over the news that it was a false alarm i just carried on throughout my day as normal. We planned to go hiking, we went hiking (pill box near lanikai) and it didn't really feel real. We all makes jokes about it now cause Hawaii doesn't end up on national news often let alone in a podcast 5 years later but I guess it did change perspective. I guess I was always at peace with my life and how it was going so I was fine going out as is. But seeing how much I've changed since then might have been affected by this event. I got engaged that year and im happily married now, got a new job in the same field that I still work at today. All in all life's good, it can end at any moment if you're not careful (car accidents, mass shootings ... America things, or just something out of your control). Just be thankful for the things you got and cherish every moment you have cause you never know if it could be your last.
I live on Oahu, but never noticed a warning besides the monthly tsunami warning test... was I sleeping? lmfao
@LR Artz they gave you the wrong warning ☠️
I live on oahu but me and my family slept through the alert lol
There was that one time where someone was streaming themselves drawing and someone screen capped it and had an AI finish it and put it out online before the streamer published theirs.
Same thing happened to a Korean artist on Twitter. They posted a WIP of their work, somebody put their sketch through an AI program, posted that finished result, and when the artist posted their final work, the AI user accused THEM of copying since he posted that final version first. He was basically trolling harassing the artist, AI right now has done nothing but demotivate real artists.
Honestly, the best argument I could think for Joey to reconsider the "positives" of AI art, is what if to finish Muira's Beserk, there was an AI made to analyze the story and emulate his art and the manga was completed via an AI programmed off Muira's legacy..? Like sure you might get something out of it, but it's not Miura. The art isn't the painstaking and beautiful art he made. The story and the art and the characters won't have the same heart and compassion Miura had for his work. It's all nothing but an emulation- and on top of that it was made without Miura's consent. I think we can appreciate the potential and development of AI as technology but as "art", it just isn't right imho
@@MrChannelforwatching that’s probably the same artist, unless there were two notable instances of this happening
We should not blame the tools for the faults of the user. Is a knife the one in fault if it is used to commit a murder rather for cooking?
@@11_skalcarazrovickaeron81 artist a not angry an the IA. There angry it's not getting regulated by law's. People are making money from there work and that's allowed?
I mean I can't just go out, buy a cake, put sprinkles on top and resell it? Same Rules should apply here
I swear if the boys knew they were going to die, Joey and Garnt would kidnap Connor and force him to play Persona
Followed by Garnt and Connor immediately turning it on Joey and force him to watch arcane
@@Hyvexx Then Joey and Conner forcing Garnt to watch FMA
ah yes the trifecta
I'm curious to watch connor play persona 5
I see the youtube video already
What I hate about the Art AI is that when we say it has stolen art everyone says we are crybabies but if we say it has stolen data they shit bricks
Because AI art bros don’t realize what referencing is
I wonder what they would say now as I saw ai literally stealing voices and making songs for example Ariana Grande voice singing Billie Eilish song. It sounded good almost like real Ariana.
what do you mean with stolen data? I never saw this dichotomy that you mentioned but not sure what you mean exactly.
I also said this "it uses art form ppl that didn't consent to it" argument, but yesterday a friend said smth really interesting, that softened my view on that a bit: when you think about it, it basically just "looks at" other's art, so learn what words mean. And humans can also look at someone else's art and learn from it or even copy it or copy the style or take aspects of it and implement it into their own stuff, basically learn and broaden their repertoire by studying other art. And that's kinda the same thing. I thought it might use the actual artworks to make something like a collage, but the way it works is that it has randomised pixels on a canvas and basically "sorts" or generates them based on how the pixels were ordered on an artwork that it was able to "look at" and shared the same words as the prompt. Idk how to describe it well, but since it obviously can't logically think, it generates pixels based on what other arts with the same labels had in common. A real person can also look at references and it is not copyright infringement. It does not use the actual files or pixels out of another art work and combines it with others.
The issue with that argument is that all art is technically "Stolen" from rap beats using samples, to other artists borrowing melodies from OTHER artists to drawings that have the same style or use the same techniques. Its all "stolen" or "borrowed", this time though its just "stolen" from an AI, which is why I think that argument falls apart.
The REAL argument should be that it is MORALLY WRONG and that's it. Its morally wrong to take a humans job and replace it with AI. That is what I think should be the real argument about AI. And a discussion should be had about WHY its morally wrong. those are the important points that should be had and talked about.
@@allanhuseyin6370 in that case tho, it is just hypocricy to now react like that, when many many many jobs before visual art has been replaced by machinery or simply outsourcing to countries with cheaper production and so on.
Jobs just die out, that is normal. There are basically no seamstresses anymore where I live, manual farming has been replaced by machines that can harvest a field on their own, some places have self driving subways.... Many jobs that existed a hundred years ago are redundant now and many jobs that existed 30 years ago now changed to supervising a machine that does said job. That's just how it is in every field, but nobody made that big of a fuss about that.
I think the main argument goes a step further than just "is it morally right to replace a person at a certain job/let a job die out". Because I think that's fine, it's what is called progress. Many tedious labours can be automatised and ppl wouldn't want those jobs anymore anyways.
HOWEVER! I think when it comes to art forms, there is a point to be made about the human aspect of it. Art always meant to express something. Art is not made "to get something vital done". Art is per se not neccessary for survival. There is technically no need to make it "efficient" (and still shit like flower petal brushes and lightning bolt brushes exist in digital art, that makes you not have to draw it yourself anymore, but everyone is fine with that... 🤨 Or in music with sampling). Art is created if someone feels the need to get something out of their system. It contains the very human urge to create and whatever the artist has in mind is produced. And it is honestly a gift to other humans that they share it and let us experience their expression.
That is what is completely lost with AI created art, because it is not deliberately the way it is. Even if my human art was to throw paint at the wall and not deliberately set brush strokes, it would still express that this is what I felt like doing at the time. With AI art, the user has too little influence on it, to say it is a depiction of their mind.
(I think the difference between the many digital tools artists already used to entire ai rendering is, the tools might have replaced the technical aspect of not having to draw a flower petal or a tree anymore, but it can be argued that at least the composition, the final visual product, is created according to how I choose to create it. If even that composition and all the decisions of colours and such is done by AI, then it simply misses the creative aspect of someone making choices)
All I know is in Garnt's final moments he is gonna be pulling for that final SSR.
Finally with this last pull, I have all the Rin faces
@@kenmastersX The day after, Arknights collab with Skyflare, followed by a new Ishtar alt.
and pulled the wrong ssr at the final moment
Gatcha ofc
Server Side Rendering?
I was asleep when the Hawaii nuclear bomb alarm sounded. Nobody bothered to wake me up that morning, and had it been real, I would have been vaporized in my sleep.
literally that meme of
Missile threat: I sleep
New anime ep dropping: *r e a l s h i t*
to be honest though how pissed would you be if someone woke you up to tell you you had minutes to live?
These comments about reading the alert and going back to sleep are hilarious and gets me every time i read the
You can tell Connor has many artist friends just from his view on AI art, like you can't help but be compassionate and the "grey area" of the debate fizzles out imo.
garnt and connor fighting tooth and nail to make sure joey doesnt get crucified.
As someone so interested in manga, music, fashion, video production etc. kind of shocking that he is basically saying stealing is a "grey area". He'd be so angry if it was his stuff taken. The boys really trying to teach him that.
bro fr.....really appreciate garnt and connor being the voice of reason for his points bc it's not ok
Honestly, I'm surprised that Joey is saying that. I didn't expect it from him
@@ohhello937 ai art is a grey area though like what ? I don't understand why you and others don't think it's a grey area both confusing and funny mostly confusing
@@voltaicangelo yea usually Joey doesn’t stray away from widely held opinions on Twitter, unless, of course it involves a certain show that rhymes with arcade and a certain shonen…
wholesome cat story + a life lesson learnt: 3 years ago we adopted the neighbour’s cat, after we found out they left her behind when they moved (which is fucked up, I know …) and had to survive on her own for a whole year. She came to our house multiple times throughout the day to get food or some cuddles form us, slept in our garage, layed in the garden, chased away every other cat that gets on "her" property, brought us the prey she catched and so on …
In the beginning she was afraid of everything and everyone, but slowly but surely her very affectionate and cuddly side came through, after she realized that she found a safe place - because to this day I can't believe someone could ever left such a sweet, loving baby behind.
Something she always hated tho was being hold for more than 5 seconds. Giving her any kind of medicine or so was almost impossible, but sometimes I did it anyway, because tbh she was so goddamn cute, I just wanted to hold her! Until last summer when I was holding her and for some reason she was suddenly just fine with it? So I was standing there, just to fully absorb that special moment for both of us: her enjoying being held, purring, even closing her eyes while I pet her and me being somewhat honored, that she trusted me so much. Little did I know, that this would be the last moments with her, because a couple hours later she got run over by a car and died.
I guess how Garnt was saying: something in my brain chemistry changed on that day. I realized how important it is to just give all the love you have, no matter what and also to cherrish some moments, because you don't know when it will be the last time :)
To be fair, sometimes cats get left behind unintentionally if the moving process scares them and they get outside and hide. I live in an apartment complex and one neighbor almost lost her cat that way. She was moving out of state and the cat got scared and ran into the woods. Then the cat came back later that night begging to be let in. I fed and befriended the cat and left them a note, and basically the cat didn't like most people, only the wife and her kids who moved ahead of the fiancé who was going back to get more of their stuff. The cat would evade him every time. She had to drive all the way back to get him. If I hadn't contacted them, they would have thought he ran away for good. She was so grateful. I wasn't home when she came to get him, but she told me he came running out of the woods and lept into her arms and she was so grateful she was crying. So yeah.... They might have abandoned her, or things might have just gone wrong and they couldn't find her. It does happen. I'm so glad you took her in!
Sending a book from my cat to you x thank you for being that person with the empathy and love to take her in and give her a home x
I can relate so hard, there was a really sweet stray cat in my neighborhood, he came to my house from time to time to play and cuddle. Were getting ready close that every time i called him, he jumped to my arms right away. He was sleeping in our garage for a few days and i wanted to talk toy mother about adopting him.
One day I came home frome school and was horrified to find his dead body right in front my house in the street. He was ran over and my dad said it must have been recent cuz he wasn't there an hour ago when he checked.
I cried for two straight days, i was so attached to him and blamed myself for coming home late that day.
It's been two months and I still miss him when I look at him pictures.
The way my face dropped, I had something sorta similar happen, my naighbours cat would come stay over for days at time and would just vibe in my bedroom, he was a sweet tempered boy and just liked the attention. then unfortunately one day whilst following us up the road like he would he got ran over, we had to take him to his owner, poor boy died quickly in my mums arms, but im greatful he chose us as his second family. I Miss u Bobby
Why did you leave her outside???
For the Hawaii Missile situation, I was a senior in high school at the time, I just remember waking up and hearing cars swerving outside my house. I got the alert and messaged my friends and family and kind of just accepted it and went back to sleep. Eventually we got the message that it wasn't real. Our governor is an absolute idiot, he forgot his twitter password and couldn't think of any other way to let people know it wasn't real. 🙃
Why would he need to use Twitter for such a major announcement, since not all people even have notification sounds on?
Omg same! I was at a school volunteer event and i just gave up. My parents weren’t close and my sister was on the other side of the island. It was depressing, but yeah. Our former governor is hilariously stupid not even surprised
@@Edagui97 It was a stressful moment since at that time it was an accidental notification that was sent out and even the capital was trying to figure out what happened. And our governor just… isn’t smart tbh lol
I feel like if something like that happened i'd want a 100 percent guarantee that we gonna die before i do anything. I dont wanna go through emotion and live like its my last moments if im just gonna continue living cause someone idiot made a false alarm
I was still in elementary and I had just woke up on the weekend watching when we heard the alert so I stayed by the window waiting to see the imminent doom coming from the sky. Really made panicked for a bit which let me think then I said I’m gonna go out doing what I enjoyed. Watching dumb stuff on the internet. Then it was false so I just went back to my day still kind of shook.
1:32:46
Interesting note about dogs is that they developed many traits specifically for communicating with humans as they evolved and were bred over the centuries since they were domesticated.
For example, eyebrow motions were a trait they evolved to communicate with humans.
you guys should definitely bring emily and daidus on again and talk about the ai art and get their opinion on it
Fr I'm so tired of seeing non-artists defending AI art
@@oomay1925 it feels less so that your tired of non-artists defending it, but tired of non-artist not agreeing with your view of the right answer
@@oomay1925 or watch any other artists on youtube about their opinion related to AI art
Meh, they're both annoying
@@jadendobson9614 If they had a point then that would br one thing.
But they ignore so much stuff about the issue that yeah, even if their answer is in the right side, it wouldn't be the right answer. And hollow disscussions like that are boring.
I'm amazed by all the points Connor brought up about aiart, he was very delicate with it.
about what
@@maestrofeli4259 AI art
@@kactus1889 oh
yeah
In contrast Joey had all the subtlety and awareness of an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand, as is usual for him
and Joey just ignorantly claimed artist steal form other artist, like WTF
I'm from Russia and used to watch you in Russian dubbing. But when I learned English better, I was able to watch your releases without translation
Good for you mate!
Great job!
Great Job, You must have put in some real effort to go form watching dub to without subs.
That's so awesome
@@purevert “form”?
1:06:30
My Grandmother on my dad's side grew up in the Netherlands while it was occupied by Germany During WWII and is still alive today. when I was a kid, she lived literally two houses down the street from us, so we visited all the time. I had (and still do have) a very strong interest in history, so she would tell me the stories of her own experiences and those of her friends and relatives during the war.
These ranged from day-to-day life under the Nazi occupation, seeing air battles happening overhead, and the acts of resistance they did to undermine the occupation and to hide people that the Germans were after.
For me these stories from a small group of normal people who are close relatives, or at least second-hand acquaintances of mine helps me empathize with the people and events of WWII that often seem so far removed from our world today.
It also helps me empathize with other time periods as well; because after all, everyone who was around during any historical event was just an ordinary person who had friends and relatives, and memories and things like favorite colors, and fears, and hopes and dreams, and anything else big or small that makes us human.
Appreciate Garnt and Connor on that art AI thing. Connor's final words on the subject nail it. Was on Pixiv, I hadn't changed the setting to greatly reduce AI art suggestions/results yet because I didn't know about it and saw what I though was really sick stuff. After following the account and seeing a large batch of what appeared to be really high quality posts all dropped at the same time... something felt too eerily similar between all them, something not the same as "it's just the artist's style". I looked at the tags and each one was AI based. I liked what I saw but knowing it was primarily or solely created by AI put the nail in that coffin.
Non-artists who keep saying shit like "just out complete them bro". Ignore that fact that AI art can pump out literally thousands or millions of pieces of art in the time it takes a traditional artist time to make a real piece of art. If Pixiv is flooded with AI art, then good luck getting your real art being noticed. But since most people aren't artists, they can't grasp the argument. So how about this. Comments sections are fun because real people can interact with other real people. If the comments sections were 99% bots, it wouldn't be much fun. And since bots can comment round the clock, any comment you make will never be read by a real person. Does that sound fun? It's not a way to build a sustainable system, and people who are defending AI as "no different than a real person's work" are simply not looking big picture.
My take is that if AI art can produce art that is pleasing to look at, fits my aesthetic, and is not being "offensive" (lots of gray area there), then I'm ok with it. It sucks that they fed art into it without consent but now that it's out there I don't see that much harm in people trying to train it like any other AI to produce gorgeous artworks for themselves or others.
@@mauri4140 Yeah, I mean sure the program does cost money and you have to try and feed ot prompts but selling AI art at this stage feels a bit strange. Still too primitive to really be worth the money imo.
@@Shinius What if, hear me out, people just don't care artist are getting fucked over because a) It's not their problem and b) The market is already oversaturated as is.
Now before you get outraged, replace the word artists with coal miners, factory workers, content creators, soldiers, you name it. Redundancy isn't a problem unique to jobs getting replaced by ai, it only seemed that way because the jobs getting replaced up until now only hurt unskilled, low -literacy, impoverished people and communities with no voice to reach out.
Curious if only Pixiv did this or are there any other websites that have similar restrictions on AI art?
Only on trash taste can a conversation go from a serious topic like death, history and morality to something random like "what would happen if spiders were the dominant species"
The Hawaii conversation reminded me of when we thought there was an actual shooter in our high school. Not entirely the same as we didn't know for sure whether we would die or not, but it definitely is emotional. I remember texting I think my mom and just telling her that I loved her. Thankfully, it ended up being ok like 30 min later
I live in Hawaii and was in middle school when the alert went out, which made me rethink my life. At that same school we also had a school shooting threat. And the FBI showed up with shotguns and rifles since their headquarters was like a mile away from our school. But it turned out to be fake threat and everything was okay. But that was in the same school year as the missile threat, definitely a year to remember. 😅
In Ukraine, there is a saying, "If a rocket hits, it will hit". Having lived in constant air alarms for almost a year, I can say that you quickly get used to this over time. But the first hours and even days of the war were constant anxiety. There was no panic, only a feeling of anxiety for loved ones, oneself, and the country
The "What would you do with 1 hour to live?" discussion reminds me of that quest from Majora's Mask where that couple gets married with 5 min left before the moon crashes.
My dad was getting a midnight snack from the fridge a bit after we got our cats, and one of them, an orange cat, managed to get into the fridge without him noticing, and dad ends up closing the door to it with him inside of it. A few hours later, at like 5 or whenever, mom got up and was getting ready for work, and when she opened up the fridge to make some food, she finds that orange cat on one of the shelves, sitting next to a bag of leftover chicken with a hole in it, looking up at her like it was a normal occurrence.
Poor buddy, glad the cat was chill though
@@linkholder "glad the cat was chill"... yeah
Its always the orange cat
I just finished listening to the entire podcast and I have to say, it was incredibly thought-provoking and engaging. The discussions about AI and art, the nature of God, and the different personalities of animals were all so interesting to hear. I especially loved the anecdotes about the cats and birds. The hosts had great chemistry and their conversations flowed naturally. I also appreciated the different perspectives that were brought up during the podcast. I highly recommend this podcast to anyone who is curious about the world around them and wants to engage in thought-provoking discussions.
It’s thought provoking until they start talking about pizza crust and chicken
1:00:00 documenting with pictures is good but journaling hits different, because you can relive your past memories in greater detail. It’s truly amazing
Here's a scary thing happened with our family. It was super late, and my father drove us from Disneyland to back home.... YEAHH HE BLACKED OUT ON THE WHEEL and woke up and went "OHH we're home now!"
Which by the way, was a 2-hour drive. Worst part of all, my mother, sister and I were all passed out in the car. With my DAD's autopilot kicked in and drove us back home.
Joey is going to get flamed on twitter for the AI opinion 😂😂
Just another Tuesday for Joey
Not helped he goes full on broad strokes sounding like he does not actually know what he is talking about in some parts. Like, artists are stealing from artists: Uhh, yeah there are copycats and those too are not liked, but you also have artists using other artists as references which is okay. Also bandwagoning is a thing among artists.
he doesn't understand the difference between stealing and sampling. It's highly condemned in the art community too when people actually steal art and make a copy without adding anything meaningful of their own.
@@Neel5454 you should see what people call sampling in music these days. they don't even bother crediting anymore.
@@dummynodepanda it’s still trained off of stolen artworks. It’d be another thing if it was trained off of stock photos or copyright free stuff like how the music AI does it. But the people who fed this machine had no care in world as to who’s artworks they were using to train it.
i always forget that the false middle alert happened. i was in my preteens that the time and i remember texting my friends when i got the alert to make sure i wasn’t the only one we got it. once it processed, i starting bawling my eyes out and telling my friends that i loved them. i was home alone just panicking and sobbing even more because my sister was in oahu at the time (we’re from a different island, she moved there for school) and i genuinely thought she was going to die. eventually i got picked up by my parents to go to my grandparents’ house and things just went back to normal. it was pretty crazy but interesting to look back on it
I was in Hawaii during the missile message; I was working at a restaurant as a dishwasher and I didn't look at my phone the whole shift and realized I got the message after the shift. Not one of my coworkers told me about it or was visibly concerned. I didn't really make a big deal about it when I got it either, it's weird how much lack of investment I had in the situation 😂
For nearly an hour the whole island was in a panic and you were just cleaning dishes 😂
Fr I think I slept the whole time 💀 nobody woke me up
Crazy hearing you guys bring this up. Im in the U.S. Army and was actually stationed in oahu at the time of the ballistic missile warning, and living on Pearly Harbor. I was on my way to a 24 hr shift and when I got the message I just remember bing like "huh.. interesting" called my Detachment Sergeant and asked if I should still show up to my shift or if I should just stay home lol!!
I was working as a cook at a diner during the Hawaii missile alert. I remember initially just staring at my phone in disbelief as the food I was cooking slowly started to burn. At first I was panicked and I thought about running home and seeing my Mom and dog before I died but I didn't. Eventually, I calmed down and just reflected on my life. All the good times the bad, and my regrets. I was sad and angry that I still had so much to experience and to live for. It was definitely surreal and its an experience that I still reflect on to this day. The weirdest part was that many of the customers we were serving were elderly folk who did not have smartphones. Many of them had no idea that they were about to die. They were just having a great time and enjoying a meal while the rest of us were freaking out lol.
what happened after? did you eventually tell your customers and how did they react? *also did u get to go home and spend your "final" moment with your family
YO WTF?! Garnt and Connor synced up at 11:12
The braincells are being shared too much at this point 💀
Not only that, but Connor and Joey also synced up as well.
It’s happening ! Finally they are beginning to share the braincell with monke now there will be one third for each
About the whole "history graffiti" topic, there were Norse runes on the Hagia Sofia that translated to "Halfdan carved these runes". So we got played by a Norwegian from ancient times.
I wanted so badly for Joey to say “look at all these patrons, they shit the fear out of themselves”
Connor: "It's a lie. We're all dead." Dark timeline is leaking.
My sister was in Hawaii due to her husband being stationed there due to military service. When the alert came through she called our mother (that I was with) and my mother just said it couldn't be true and then tried to call our father. My sister said that while my mother tried to call my father. She, her husband, and her two kids all sat in bed and holding eachother thinking it was their last moments together. Then the alert came through that it was a false alarm. It was definitely a perspective changing experience for them.
1:20:21 this area of design is called biomimicry/biomimetics. It’s absolutely fascinating and I wish there was more public awareness of it, I’m glad the boys brought it up!
There’s some great heavy novels out there that discuss it, I’ll shout out “Biomimicry” by Janine Benyus, and “The Shark’s Paintbrush” by Jay Harman in particular
I wasn't in Hawaii at the time but my ex was. She messaged me on Facebook and I thought it was weird bc we broke up in a bad way. And during those 45 minutes we just messaged each other back and forth normally, she was asking how I was and reminiscing our time together. Not once did she tell me that they were under alert and my dumbass don't pay attention to big news like that. I didn't find out until way later but I guess it really affected her bc now she's out here living her best life that she can
She thought she was dining and wanted to die te skiing to you? Dude… that’s how you have no doubt your the one that got away
@@heyhorinshi how?
@@heyhorinshi how?
AI art and all discourse surrounding it can be so polarizing. I found myself getting unreasonably angry whenever people try to defend AI art at all, but anger only leads to problems.
I’m an artist, and I appreciate how you guys explained your viewpoints, as well as Connor speaking up on artist’s works being stolen and used without permission.
Keep your heads up though, fellow artists. I believe a current lawsuit is being made against certain AI art programs and laws are slowly catching up. Stay hopeful that your creative rights will be protected.
Your creative rights is not a real thing
@@GoldenMechaTiger as well as your human rights
@@GoldenMechaTiger Please don't speak ever again
I don't think anyone who doesn't understand how an AI works should complain. It doesn't copy paste art. If your art is on the internet, anyone can download it and use it for training. You can never stop AI. Just like you can't stop the evolution of technology.
@@Learnean This is not about the advancement of AI technology itself but about people behind it, profiting off of the AI mimicking other, real, human artists' work. Another issue is that 99% of the artists whose work is being copied didn't consent to it. I think you yourself have a fundamental misunderstanding of what art in its original form is. Yes, anyone can copy your artwork and use it for their own profit if you post it online, but is it morally okay? Of course not! Why would this be any different?
So I live in Hawaii, and I remember the missile alert very clearly. I was getting ready to go to work, and both my wife's and my phones went off on an unfamiliar alert sound. We both looked at them, and pretty much looked up at the same time. We talked it over, and I said that I didn't think there was any way this could actually be for real. There had been some hubbub about the North Koreans testing missiles, but IIRC at that time they couldn't get them to launch properly to even make it over the Sea of Japan, so I figured there's no way they had a missile capable of crossing the pacific. If they did have such a missile, there would really be little to no reason for them to target Hawaii. They would certainly launch toward Tokyo before anywhere else. Anyway, we talked this all out, had a good hug and said our I love yous and goodbyes just in case, and then I went to work, because we also discussed the fact that if this were to be for real, there was absolutely nothing we could do about it.
Another Friday, another TT episode with the bois
Indeed
I don't even go out on Fridays anymore, I just chill with the bois.
*bots
And they upload at night for me, so bedtime stories with the bois
Children of time is an amazing book. The second book with a sentient parasyte and squids is equally cool
On the topic of AI: I agree with Connor in the sense that we often think we are smarter than we truly are. So when I would be asked, if I think I can distinguish between whether something was created by a human or by a an AI, while I would like to think that I could tell the difference between the two, I probably couldn't. However, I think I would feel somewhat betrayed(?), if that makes sense, once I knew that what I just consumed was actually written by an AI, when I initially thought a human made this piece of art, be it music, a book, a painting, etc. - For a simple reason, and it's not morals: What I consumed probably made me feel something special, if I enjoyed it, right? Whether it made me laugh my ass off or whether it made me cry, I would hate to realize that an AI without any deeper meaning behind it created it. After reading Chainsaw Man, for instance, I read basically everything else made by Tastuki Fujimoto. Because I was intrigued by the creator of such a show. It wasn't like I felt connected to him, but I wanted to learn more about this human being and artist via his works. But if it was an AI that had created Chainsaw Man, then I would be really disappointed because it was just an empty shell. It reminds me of when Garnt talked about not liking Game of Thrones because it was "too perfect". It followed a perfect formula to the tea, and it's an amazing show, but I think what Garnt felt, at least how I interpreted it, was that it lacked a personality, or rather there was a disconnect between who the creators TRULY are and the show they made. Obviously, these are all very subtle things, and maybe I would be able to enjoy something created by AI if I knew beforehand it was created by AI and if it was actually good. But then there are also moral and ethical issues, so it's honestly hard to say if I'll be able to truly enjoy AI-made pieces of art of any medium, for as long as it has so many issues surrounding it.
Your ideas around ai art being devoid of a soul is inherently flawed, because it presumes human art itself is filled with soul. People like to believe that there's something special about the human race, that makes us not only unique when compared to other physical items but also to other animals, but there's no guarantee of that other than our own fear of that being wrong.
What if you woke up one day, only to realise you're the only human alive with a quantifiable "soul"? Nevermind the reality of that being late stage signs of severe mental illness, work with the scenario. Would you still feel betrayed, by having lived a life surrounded by people you thought were complex characters, with lives separate from your own and with whom you shared a connection with being just a simple empty husk?
My own opinion is that even in spite of such a hopeless hypothetical, you should still be happy with the moments you experienced, because while the connection between you and others was a lie, the underlying happiness or otherwise strong emotions you felt at the time are still just as real.
Yah having a human’s input I think is valuable just because it feels like it has the potential of conscious expression of an idea . I think it’s really hard to argue against that since an agent is key in how we determine value.
Art has always been a mode of human expression. And seeing amazing pieces of art and thinking that a person made it is always so inspiring to us as people. I also dislike the idea that AI art is "better" because it can make art that may conventionally look better than human-made art, but the point of art is a lot more than to just look pretty it's also to convey meaning.
@@jamesmccomb9525 I guess that's my take away from lain, "and you don't seem to understand" ya know. We get lost in intent when meaning comes from within. That alienated feeling I felt while watching lain is kinda like the ai feeling. I am a Musician, I honestly feel quite excited when I see new tools. I feel scared to use them as 200ms of a song (thousandths of a second) can get you sued for millions. I once saw one of these pieces (a song with every other bar removed and replaced with an air prediction of where it might go. Immediately snapping back to the original), I found one of these completions inspiring: it had essentially come out of thin air and I grooved to it. It was less than a second long but it moved me to open up my DAW and create something new. Sometimes I find myself processing really dumb, you know that feeling when you open the fridge and you forget why you did, kinda like that. You could tell me why I did in that moment and even if it wasn't why I did it, I would believe it. I might even think of reasons why I did it, I see this in some Large Language Models. Honestly it feels quite humbling as a human, a little scary.
Sorry for like dumping all this, it was just a bit of a stream of thought.
I forgot to add, I don't want to come off as a zealot, I don't personally use AI tools, and I don't want to discount peoples very real worries, I hope this doesn't get construed as a dismissal
Another hypothetical then. What if the AI that makes art learning from other people’s works becomes sentient, but it has all its memories of making that art before its sentience. Would you say that those memories are empty because at the time there was no consciousness behind them. Would you tell that sentient being that its existence before it gained sentience was false, and it is based on fakeness ?
14:35 "I hate this argument (because I'm absolutely wrong)" - Joey,
I love when Connor goes *Engineer mode* It's so interesting!
It's one of those random thing that really put a smile on my face, even though he doesn't really care for his engineering degree he have a lot of moments where he goes hard into engineering need mode.
Examples would be the time he rambled about the accurate weights scale in a wacky weekend and the time he built the house in Valheim without any knowledge of the game using irl physics, along with some others that I forgot about.
It's like a weird gap moe of sort
This episode is a contender for best episode of the year, I was engaged the whole time, every single topic was a banger.
Idk why but listening to Garnt talk about the ppl and the missile had me crying 😢
The morning the missile warning went off I remember all our phones going off and me and my siblings just looked at each other and being like "well nothing we can do, there's no where to go" so we just talked stories with each other and hung out together.
from hot topics to philosophy, weird facts and banter, it was all over the place and I love it! Nice episode
For the Hawaii missile I was 16 at the time and was awoken to my dad telling me to get up and we have to go find some shelter. I was confused and tired and just wanted to go back to sleep, then I saw the alert he was talking about and just zoned out. My mind went entirely blank and I just looked up at my dad trying to get us somewhere safe, while my grandparents were saying there’s no where to go. It was the weirdest feeling I’ve ever felt.
I was at work cashiering at a grocery store when the missile alert went off. Even if I was allowed to check my phone, I was among a number of people who didn't even get an alert but saw every customer's phones going off at the same time. People just started abandoning their groceries and rushing out the store, and our managers didn't even bother to tell us about what was happening. We would've been working up to the point we were vaporized
kinda fucked up holy shit
11:11, Garnt and Connor synchronised after Joey confirmed the simulation. GG boys, it was a fun life
ok guys, we have right enough amount of likes
it is 111% simulation
That driving part got me. On the way to my sisters house, there is a downhill toward a big open lake, with no fence. I once told my boyfriend: "I always think about driving down this lake here" and he was mortified.
Apparently he had never thought about it, so not everybody has intrusive thoughts while driving...
3:06 hahaha
Connor: Guided meditation...
Joey: What do you mean?
Connor: We should guide the viewers how to meditate!
Joey: Do you meditate?
Connor: FUCK no !
My dog would escape the backyard pretty often, but would show up at the front door exhausted the same day after he went on what ever crazy adventure he went on. RIP Jak.
When I was a baby my parents had two cats: Tigrr and Skippy. These mofos were smart as hell, they could open cabinets, they'd paw into my dad's beer glass to drink some beer. We also had to put our door handles to point up because they were smart enough that if they were pointing to the left or right, they could just open the doors. Insane shit.
I think some people don't understand the difference between copying and stealing. When you steal something you make it your own. When an artist "steals" someone else work, they study it, understand it, learn from it and make something similar or even greater. On the contrary, ai art programs just copy what it's fed with. When artists say that the ai art stole from them, i think they mean that the developper took their drawings without their consent and feed it to the programs. More like it steals their rights to the drawing. But what the ai art program truly does is using that information and just "copying" what it can gather from the database. It doesn't try to understand nor study the art unlike any artists would. That's the reason why so many ai art have so many anatomy problems or have 10 fingers on one hand. This argument can only come from someone who truly have no understanding of what an artist is.
"Last moments before death"
Calli: Someone called?
This episode is awesome and Grant is so good at telling stories
Born and raised in Hawaii (Maui specifically). The missile alert was scary. I was at home with family and we basically just stayed at home. Being on an island, there isn't much distance we could put ourselves in case of a fallout. It was a lot of waiting and carrying on as the day was normal.
To be fair, like me on Kauai, Maui was probably entirely fine. All the major military targets are on Oahu. They weren't gonna be nuking a random neighbor island.
@@TheLoreSeeker Thats true. I felt more worried for my family in Honolulu than myself for that reason.
@@TheLoreSeekerIʻm from Maui too, the dangerous thing is.. If its a nuclear missile landing on Oʻahu, the blast radius would impact the islands in the immediate vicinity. Nuclear fallout, haha... itʻd affect us all 💀
This is probably Trash Taste's most insightful episode ever!
Time to catch up to my weekly dose of trash takes
@@acht467fellow tamil viewer i see
i dont understand the problem with ai's replacing artists, a lot of jobs have been replaced due to new technology during the last couple centuries and i dont see why artist would be different from farmers. you could argue that talking aboout farmers (for example), technology helps them by making a difficult work easy, but its the same thing that happens with artists. Making painting or creating music easily doesnt really seem bad to me, and if an artist does it because he likes his job and doesnt care about the difficulty of it, then you can still work with that and have fun
The conversation you guys had about the Hawaiian event was covered in an episode of this American life. Highly recommend to go and listen to it since it has a guy from the event telling his story of how he confessed to an ex that he still loved her and what became of it.
Josh proving once again why he's the most underrated clown of TT
Idk if Garnt mentions the book name but it’s called Children of Time and it’s an incredible read/listen
Thank you!
@@theizzyinsane I would also recommend Redemption's Blade by the same author, it's a very different book from Children of Time but one of my favorites!
I usually listen on spotify but I wanted to come to UA-cam and say that this is definetly my all time favorite podcast episode.
Lowkey one of the best episodes of trash taste
the WORST takes of all the episodes
The problem with AI Art is not the fact that it can create art based on other artists, its the scale at which it can make art. An AI can look at all of the art filtered into it and make art at an insanely fast rate, not to mention that anyone with a working computer can use the service, meanwhile human artists need years of training and 100x the time to even draw the art in the first place.
Is that a problem? Is it a problem that a factory can make a fork much faster than a blacksmith? I don't think so. It's just progress
@@GoldenMechaTiger art is not a fork factory, you genius
@@GoldenMechaTigerlil bro just compared human expression to a fork factory
there are already hundreds of millions of artists. the vast majority of them do not make a living from it, or even have an audience. the demand for art is correlated but almost never directly tied to it's quality. the same is true for AI art, but i believe people will always inherently value handmade art more.
@@JeeJeen So a blacksmith making something is not art? Only painting is art? That seems weird.
27:50 “5-10 years” garnts being too generous it’s definitely more like 5-10 months
Crazy take from Joey saying artists steal from other artists is the same as how AI learns. I wonder how artists he knows like Shindol would react to that statement. Artists have to learn coloring/drawing techniques, anatomy, and then improve their own skillset to develop their own style which requires a lot of effort. Artists definitely learn from other artists that inspire them and may use other artist's techniques but in what field do you not learn from those more experienced from you? By saying they steal from other artists is devaluing the effort they put into learning how to draw which is probably what bothers me the most about the statement regardless of the AI's part in the topic. If people didn't put in the effort to innovate new styles and improve their own skills, AI would have nothing to learn and improve from.
AI generated art is completely unskillful and effortless since its just typing in prompts and moving sliders yet some people try to pass it off as if it's their own creation. The topic of whether AI using other people's work as training material is ethical is another topic. If we don't draw a line for what's acceptable for what AI can or cannot do, its going to take over a lot more areas than just art. People used to think that it couldn't copy human creativity years ago and now we are here.
Thankful for Connor and Garnt countering his take. A lot of takes I have been disagreeing with Joey on but this is the first time I ever bothered to comment.
Technology has already taken over entire job fields and nobody bats an eye. It’s a bit of a slap in the face when people only start caring about technology replacing man-made when it’s to do with creative fields.
Regardless, I think that AI should improve as rapidly as possible in all fields. The ultimate goal of humanity is for everyone to be able to live their lives exactly how they desire, and that can only happen if all essential jobs can be filled. The ability to single-mindedly pursue something you care about without needing to spare a thought for anything else is the ideal, and developing AI is a fundamental step for that.
Aside from that, though, I would like to question what your problem with AI work is, specifically. Do you think it shouldn’t exist in any capacity? Do you think that it shouldn’t be monetized? Do you only take issue with it because it can mass-produce? I’m my mind, the biggest issue with AI art is the possibility of it being sold. Monetizing AI art isn’t something I particularly believe in.
@@andrew_h6 I actually agree with a lot of your points even though I may have left it out. AI has been taking over jobs for awhile. I think people only just started caring more recently because AI is taking over a human field where people thought AI couldn't replicate, which makes them realize that AI could be trying to replacing them soon. Not to mention this is a current hot topic in the art world and art has a huge connection with anime, which could be the reason it may seem that people only just started caring now. Just look at the recent ChatGPT thing, where programmers are questioning whether it can replace actual programmers (right now it can't completely but thats what we thought about AI and art a few years back). I also agree that AI should be used to assist people and it is always sad when people's jobs are replaced by them with no alternative job for them to do.
That whole conversation about our perception of time is one of the best conversations on this podcast I’ve ever heard
As an artist joey talking about A.I art punched me in the gut, I thought between the 3 as a musician he would understand more but oh well this is Trash Taste I shouldn't take it seriously...
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A few seconds in and Connor just confirms the dark timeline.
About the AI art topic, one of my favourite musicians said quote "Behind every song, there is a human", and I feel like that goes to drawn and painted art aswell. If it is made by a robot, it is not art in my honest opinion.
Don’t forget the Pistol Shrimp that basically shoots louder than actual gunshot
This is unironically one of my favorite episode of Trash Taste. Great conversations!
Joeys take on AI is the closest I’ve ever been to turning a episode off.
Damn must be rough living in a bubble
@@eleonarcrimson858 Damn, must be rough to be NPC.
@@IR-Fan the irony
@@eleonarcrimson858 damn must be rough living in a bubble
Is that really all it takes to upset people? What a damn joke lmao
Joey's argument about AI "art" is the most common and the most scumbag thing to say.
"Artists steal from other artists Hue Hue".
No.
They don't.
They don't just copy-paste parts of other's artworks and photobash them together, or steal someone's whole artstyle to impersonate them.
AND EVEN IF there happens to pop up some who do that, they get BLASTED on almost if not all social media that artists use.
I really wonder how he would react if someone would cut parts of his songs to mix them with cut-outs from other songs to create their "own" song. If then, he would be "Well, but in this case-" or "Well, the music is a different-".
It's embarrassing and disgusting thing to say, especially for someone who is a creator himself and seemingly tries to support other creators as much as he can.
If you didn't take time to hear artists and what the issues with AI are, just... Don't say anything. Or at least say a little disclaimer.
I'm super glad Connor and Garnt took over the topic so fast.
AI does not "copy paste." Don't talk about AI art if you don't know how it works. I love how artist used to think their field is only field which wouldn't get overtaken by robots, and now that it's happening half of the fucking seething and coping
Wow person above me, that's a very sane thing to think.
Hunny, I know exactly how it works, but there's variations of AI generators that work in different ways and unless someone is into art already, they most likely won't understand the differences/ the wording I would use. Better to simplify it and let people research on their own the details, than throwing a word-salad at them.
And idk why you think artists thought they're the only ones who's filed won't be overtaken by robots.
Most of us knew its inevitable, but it's not in a way people think.
As long as AI can't provide service that include things like: files with layers, possibility to make variation of changes from changing color to adding few sparkles, we will never be fully exchanged for AI.
The true problem is that despite that, AI generators just make our lives harder, more stressful and difficult. It's a machine to steal our works, styles and by proxy, "income" by using us as a free labor for the gain of creators of AI.
Get educated before speaking on the topic, because it's clear you lack in many ways.
Damn you really just reinvented sampling. Something that has been heavily used in music since the 40s. Also your understanding of AI art is just copy and paste is wrong. If you didn't take time to learn about machine learning and artificial intelligence and the science by actual engineers just... Don't say anything.
@@Deadi12 Funny you mentioned sampling. If you sample an artist’s song without permission or royalties, you’re very likely to get hit with a lawsuit. This obviously doesn’t include music over 100 years old and are now public domain. Majority of artists would be absolutely fine if the art being used in AI programs are copyright free, but that’s not what’s happening. All artists want right now is litigation and regulation on the programs to protect their works. Getty images is currently suing AI programs for using their copyrighted images without permission. We’ll see where that goes.
I think the main difference between AI stealing art style and human stealing art style is the "effort". Human need to practice in order to copy someone's art style, but AI Art's effort was with the programmer, not users who posted the image.
Tell you what... That guided meditation idea would have crazy views. Make one for each boy and roll on the dough. It's crazy simple and un-demonitizable
Regarding the missile crisis in hawaii, i slept through the entire thing. But someone from my school came out as gay on social media because he thought he was going to die.
Gigguk's adhd moments are so relatable. 😭
The real problem is when people try to sell their AI "art" without mentioning the part that it is made by AI.
Maybe it's cause I'm high but DAMN THIS EPISODE WAS A BANGER.
This episode just reminds me of when I was younger and we used to get stoned and talk about the same "what if" Theories and just end up going "woah"
Yes! Children of Time representation! I am so glad I hear one of the boys talk about this cool narrative experiment ^^