@@tobylerone8416 And to think that there was no set plan or narrative template for the original trilogy. Yet the writers, director's and production crews working on the movies still managed to tell a complete story with only minor flaws.
@Revan Exactly. And in my opinion Rian Johnson wins. And you know why? Because JJ Abrams didn't have the guts to bring back Snoke. But he could bring back Palpatine? Just think of it. Palpatine is just as dead as Snoke, if not even more, he got vaporized. Bringing back Snoke would be a real slap to the Johnson's face
This is what success looks like. Disney succeeded in getting rid of Star Wars, its fanbase, and its cultural impact while all the while still milking it all for money.
Nah. They failed. They could have milked it for 10+billion more than they made this last decade alone but they are so inept left left all that cash on the table. For waahmen and woke points. The only thing disney succeeded in was making themselves look incompetent.
@@skoopsro7656 Which would matter if the point was to make money. Disney sends in revenue reports. Everything else they're doing more than makes up for any hits Star Wars gives. The point is to deliver propaganda. Propaganda that so far has been fairly well received by people who aren't fans, who were never the target audience to begin with.
@@thefreshestslice4105 I totally get that perspective. Disney has always been a propaganda tool. BUT They could have made the extra untold billions and succeeded in their political goals at the same time. But their incompetence, seemingly poor management, and lack of creativity prevented them from doing both simultaneously. These corporate schmucks have their cake and eat it too all the time. With some high school level ELA class brainstorming they could have here also.
They regressed the Han and Luke characters. No growth at all. Luke should have been portrayed much more noble and spiritually enlightened. Think Gandalf the white. Thats probably the worst treatment of an iconic character in the history of cinema. I waited 35 years for this?
They also fucked up Princess Leia... she went from a competent military strategist... to an emotionally incompetent general who couldn't even supply her forces with fuel...
I wasn't against Luke rejecting the lightsaber, but not as bitter old man looking to die, but someone who has rejected violence. Has hope for the universe and still looks to improve it, but believes violence is not the way, atleast not for him. Also rejecting the lightsaber would be a sign of giving up on attachments. I think it would have been great if Luke got the Lightsaber looked at it contemplatively and then handed back and said, "Thank You, but I don't need this anymore." A sign he isn't stuck in the past has moved on and maybe a message to the audience they shouldn't be either. Unfortunately Rian Johnson doesn't realize you can't just subvert for the sake of subversion. There needs to be something substantive to that subversion. A reason for it that provides a message, or moves the story along in a meaningful way.
@@ShamanMcLamie Jedi's have supposedly already rejected violence, they only use it when they have to in the original films. Rejecting using physical action when you have to, is kind of dumb !
They estranged Solo from Lia and turned him back into a smuggler / bum, completely destroying his and Lias character arcs from the original films. And then go and kill him off in front of a bunch of nobodies. Killed by his emo son who lazily JJ decided was going to go over to the dark side, which has all been done before ! A Lazy, boring and predictable switch which wasn't even done very well ! "Errr kylo why have you gone over to the dark side" - "Because its what Anakin would have wanted" I dont think JJ watched return of the Jedi to the very end did he ! And then thanks to Rian Johnson who decides hes going to try and one up JJ in the cultura1 mar-xist subversion stakes, and makes Luke a bitter and twisted bum, why because contrary to everything his character did in the original trilogy, having faith in the second most evil person in the galaxy to come good his dad Darth Vader. He decides to try and kill his sisters and his best mates son, because he had a vision he might become bad at some point ! Talentless zi0c0mmunist hacks the pair of them !
@@rocketmunkey1 , So.. it's in the cultural-Marxists' interest to make every woman (other than Rey) into people no one would like, respect, or care about?
A thing about what Rian Johnson did makes the whole thing even more "interesting" -not only did he sabotage the things the first director did he also sabotaged what the next director Colin Trevorrow was planning to do and he did it with the blessing of the one that was supposed the keep the whole thing in check Kathleen Kennedy.
According to Mark Hamill, there were big plans for Luke Skywalker in Episode 9 those plans completely went down the drain when Rian Johnson without consulting with Trevorrow killed the character and turned the script he worked on to trash -this was one of the reasons Trevorrow left or was removed from the project.
@@Hykje Wondering if part of the reason Rian screwed episode 8 up so much is that he wanted to direct 9 in addition to 8 and thought if he screwed 8 up enough Disney would be forced to let him continue his story into 9 as well... As much as I dislike JJ, Rian just seems like such a petty person. At least JJ is just a completely clueless hack who has been failing upwards, rather than someone who has essentially been failing intentionally.
In the final scene I realised MaRey Sue has achieved something no other character has achieved: she LITERALLY became ALL the characters of the universe. She literally is the only one left. Sitting alone on Tattoine cause theres no one elae in the entire star wars universe. Lol
Disney Trilogy concluding the Palpatine Saga. The Skywalkers were rendered inert. Rey just came in and took everything that she didn't earn. If only she was in Episode III with that second lightsaber to help Yoda lol
That is one of the biggest problem with this trilogy. Every movie is too self aware. Instead of just continuing the story and charting a new path forward each movie is too busy trying to undo what came before.
Funny thing is, the Hungarian translator felt something was off about that line, obviously he didn't know that was JJ's meta-message to OT fans, so in Hungarian the line sounds like this: "A step towards a brighter future." And here, the line makes sense for the story, not a wink-wink moment to the audience.
"And then the plot be like: dun" worry, she'll be foine. Now go away!" The dinner is quotable indeed... Here's to a new year of Disney and every other social justice mongering company biting the dust 🥂
Funny thing about that "success", the movies didn't make nearly enough money to recoup the original investment into Lucasfilms since they didn't pull multimillion dollar budgeted movies out of thin air, same with the theme parks (which, along with the toys, are a better estimate to how the franchise is actually performing rn). It's why the movie budget was getting shrunk each subsequent film!
The internal inconsistency even extends to the way in which they represent character growth. Han is still a smuggler, and Luke is in a phase of stunted development, as though their arcs remain incomplete after 30+ years. Meanwhile, we are asked to believe that Rey, Finn, and Poe each undergo substantial character growth within a few hours or minutes.
There may be an element of the writers only being interested in the characters they created, or feel ownership of, rather than the characters created by another writer. Having worked in business, you see the same thing when a new manager arrives - all the existing projects get sidelined to make space for the new manager's great new ideas, they recruit people they've worked with before into senior positions, etc.
John Davis I'm not even sure these writers were interested in anyone except Kylo and Rey, and even their characters were destroyed by the end. Finn's arc was pretty much finished by the end of TFA - they could have done more stuff with him later, but not whatever was going on in TLJ. Poe never had an arc at all. Frankly you could write out either of those two with minimal effect on the plot.
I think the movies reflect the failure of Disneys' expectations of buying Star Wars. This trilogy was never meant to be anything in particular, for instance "the climax of the Skywalker Saga". That was an innovation for TROS. What they thought they had was a franchise they could do as they wished with, and all these movies were supposed to do was pass the fandom on to a new set of younger characters who could be marketed. Hence, there was no real plan for the stories; they idea was they could hand each movie to writers and directors to do with as they wished, so long as they achieved a general role of, in these early movies, eliminating the old characters and replacing them with the new ones. That was the only general goal passed to Rian Johnson, and they no doubt intended some other directors or Johnson to churn out further movies like that. Then Solo and TLJ were disastrous and they had to try to make some kind of coherent thing to save face, as they became aware that these new characters like Rey and Finn were not going to have any lasting appeal. So they had to come up with some kind of conclusion and TROS is that. What we're seeing in a sense is three movies that chronicle an epic saga of management failure.
Lol Luke died at the end of TLJ because he drank raw, alien milk to try and impress or gross out Rey. He had this look on his face like "I shouldn't have done that. Hope that doesn't have any consequences later."
Disney didn't just "Marvel-ize" the Force. They completely misinterpreted it. Take the line: "Darkness rises, and light to meet it." The use of this phrase in a cliched Yin/Yang sense in The Last Jedi demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what "bringing balance to force" means. Rian Johnson was clueless. The idea of balance of the Force, a central tenet of the Jedi Order, refers to the ideal state in which the Force exists in nature, i.e. as the light side. The presence of the dark side corrupts and destroys this natural balance, and the Jedi viewed it as their duty to restore it. Many incorrectly assume that balance refers to an equal mix of both light and dark side users. However, as George Lucas explains in the introductory documentary for A New Hope, Special Edition, this is not the case: "[...] Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..." In an interview, Lucas compared the difference between the light and dark sides as being like the difference between a symbiotic relationship and a cancer. A symbiotic relationship is one which benefits both parties and in which neither is harmed, whereas a cancer takes without giving back, eventually causing the death of both parties. On a side note, in the French translation of "The Phantom Menace" the "bring balance to the Force" concept was translated to "restaurer l'harmonie dans la Force" (to restore the harmony to the force). This is one of the unusual cases where the intended concept had a better translation than the original.
Ah. So it is not a Yin/Yang concept. The light side is supposed to be what rules but the dark side wishes to corrupt it. Had never seen that documentary. Thanks :)
Tom Miller thank you!!!! I had no idea Lucas said this but my interpretation of the force was basically that and the fans/new movies made it seem like I had misinterpreted the force in the original 6. It makes no god damn sense to tolerate savage mass murderers for “balance”. It’s like an eye for an eye.....only the evil having eyes isn’t really a great alternative.
Well said! And I think its Roundhead Ruin jackass especially but jar jar abrams too and kathleen kennedy who DO NOT or rather DONT WANT to believe this even though its canon. Yes "bringing balance to the force" MEANS destroying the sith and the dark sides servants. Anyone who has read Star Wars EU books knows this very well. It DOESNT and HAS NEVER meant "there should be equal amounts of light and dark" that is utterly ridiculous and something only a nihilistic asswipe like roundhead ruin would consider as suitable for Star Wars and its because of his own personal lack of integrity and morals and wanting to validate himself and his nonsense beliefs through this movie, by making the force itself nihilistic and dismissing everything built up in the entire series before he got his hands on it. And for what he did to Luke Skywalker I will NEVER forgive him and NEVER watch a movie he is associated with in any way even just as a name; fuck him so much. For these reasons I dont consider the disney movies canon AND NEVER WILL and its high time LUCASFILM did the same and declared the Kathleen kennedy movies NON CANON and then fire her and all her minions roundhead and jar jar and their people included, no loyalists left to poison the brand once they are thrown out we wont risk THAT. This is the only way to save Star Wars and begin making REAL money again like Star Wars made during the george lucas era, and WITHOUT having to spend a billion dollars investing in a movie like plan 9 ruse of soywalker which appears will ONLY make its money back and maybe just a slight profit but no more and thats unheard of in a Star wars movie. Or else go out of business, either that or conceding to our demands is the only ways I will accept from TLJ onwards and I will NEVER change my mind because of how repulsive and racist sjw feminsit garbage is to me and always will be and always has been. They very greatly overestimated "brand loyalty" when they thought that would save them from making BAD OFFENSIVE PIECE OF SHIT "movies" calling it star wars and yet destroying all it can of star wars and also endlessly ATTACKING THEIR OWN CUSTOMERS in interviews and hit pieces and so on with their minions the shill media. To me this is unforgivable, all of this. This is why the boycott is so easy for me. I remember all of this nearly every single day. Its impossible not to when I think of Star wars now. How sad. Disney is so sad and pathetic.
For years I have debated fans over what balance to the force meant. It was really annoying to me that so many fans interpreted it as equal numbers of Sith and Jedi...which makes absolutely no sense at all.
Good point. I think Hollywood people fundamentally do not understand human beings or why humans have the morality we have. They don't have a sense of inner calm and come off as neurotic weirdos.
It will just be Rey, floating around empty space, in her super x-wing she build from scratch, when suddenly, she gets even more powerful, and wins despite not having an opponent.
This movie made me feel like i was being rushed through A discount dollar shop where all they sell is cotton candy , pop corn , and soda pop with a cheapo star wars sticker label slapped on each bag
I was honestly pretty sure Palpatine was gonna be a vision or a hologram or something back when they put his laughter in the trailers, I couldn't believe they were stupid and desperate enough to really bring him back when his death and Vader's redemption were the main point of the whole OT...
Actually a Palpatine AI would've had really interesting concepts connected to it. Like he may not have the force anymore, but if he can mess with your astromech or navigation computer that'd be a big threat on his own.
Johannes Seyfried haha yeah something like that. I do a ton of overnight travel for work, and she’s home alone frequently. She’s never really scared, but her mother worries - hence the gift of a taser. I will say, it is fun to play with!
There’s no story/continuity, just a lot of cool looking events as a consequence of two writers/directors having a pissing contest with one another. This apathetic handling of the trilogy ultimately falls on Kennedy and Iger.
The Force is treated as a magic in this Disney trilogy in the way bad writers use magic i.e. the magic has no rules or limitations and therefore can do anything to drive the plot forward. Good magic is hard and used when required. In the other films the Force had limitations on what it could do now it can bring back the dead with no hint at it being that powerful previously.
Even when KOTOR 2 does revives the dead, it's done in the context of a Faustian bargain, such as when Kreia revives Hanharr and Tobin. She does revive them, but it's clear they are slaves to her will.
I finally summoned the courage and watched ep IX yesterday... It somehow managed to be worse than what I expected. It was the most desperate, incoherent, disrespectful and derivative movie Ive seen in years. Yes, it was worse than the last jedi because at least the last jedi was trying to be disrespectful, this just was by sheer incompetence.
I'd rate music lower. Yes its John Williams but none of it ties with the narrative and enhances it. It's like a John Williams background track playing over a random movie.
Honestly most of the music in the new trilogy are either rehashed OT or forgettable. Say what you want about the prequels, but at least their music was new and refreshing.
John Williams did an outstanding job on the music for Episodes 1-6. His music for the Disney films, however, is forgettable. I think he must take true inspiration from the films he scores, which explains why his music in Episodes 7-9 is so bland...the films are not inspiring.
@@jamiebraswell5520 I agree, but I think the cause is the Disney directors don't know how to communicate a vision. Imagine Rian Johnson trying to describe his vision to John Williams. RJ: So, Luke then tosses the lightsaber away. JW: Why? RJ: Cause he's a bitter loser who tried to murder his nephew in his sleep. JW: What??? When the director is saying stuff like that, what emotion is he supposed to impart onto the scene?
Okay, if there is one person involved with these flicks I will defend to my death its John Williams. Considering the material he had to work with and the conditions he had to work under (Rian, the hack, only gave him a Temp Track instead of spotting the movie with him like most other Directors do), he did the best he could. Its not among his best work but still the best thing about these films and he deserves an award for trying to carry these films all by himself. Plus, he isn't the youngest anymore (he will turn 88 next month). That he still works on Films this large is unreal.
I like looking at colours filmmakers use to evoke emotion/tone. in the Disney trilogy I only get a soulless corporate feel. It reminds me of a beautiful painting that was made with a paint by the numbers kit. P.S. Happy New year Dave. I love your take on things!
I fear that we are entering an era with movies now having dlc's and patches. Wanna know what that character was talking about? We will explain it with supplemental products. "Oh crap we made a mistake, we will fix it in the next film". I think that is more bad than having just a bad film.
I think ep 7 should have started more with what Lucas wanted. Some young female force sensitive is seeking Luke out to train her to be a Jedi. She finds him on some remote planet at some ancient Jedi temple. He has lost his way over failing to see Ben Solo going to the dark side. This would tie in with ep 5-6 where in spite of knowing what a ruthless force Vader was that his father was still in there and refused to give up on the good side buried within. Through flash backs we see Ben as Kyno Ren with the Knights of Ren destroying Luke's new order. This is Luke's internal struggle: his failure to see the rise of the dark within Ben. He trains "Rey" and she helps him find himself again. This story arc could have continued on into ep 8. Meanwhile we see the defection of Finn and he meeting up with Poe. We then get introduced to the Resistance. We see Leia talking to the New Republic Senate who throws aside her concerns of the First Order who are remnants of the Imperial fleet who objected to the treaty of Jakku or whatever it was called. The Senate overtly states they are tired of war and with the treaty with the remnants of the galactic empire they are gearing up for peace and greatly reducing the fleet. etc. Through that exchange we learn that what remained of the Galactic Empire still controls part of the galaxy while the New Republic controls the remaining. Btw, this is in the newer Disney books. Covertly Leia gets help from some Senators who provide her with materials to fight the FO in areas it is currently controlling. No giant death star. We get to see giant space battles and land battles as the Resistance struggles against the FO. We get to see Han and Leia as generals of the resistance commanding like Mon Mothma did. They get screen time just not the main focus other than Leia's trip to the Senate. Instead we see Poe and Finn's development of which we learn of Finn being force sensitive. We as well see Kylo Ren and the Knights are working with the FO and some mysterious entity is pulling strings from the shadows, ie Snoke who is a darksider from the outer fringes of the unknown galaxy. ep 8 would continue on with this. Finn somehow gets introduced to Luke and Rey who may have had some encounter with the knights. We see Finn getting jedi training. We as well see the uniting of Luke with his Sister and Han. Insert more space battles and land battles. We see Snoke more in the flesh. He specifically wants Kylo and the Knights to hunt down Luke and the resurgence of this jedi order and destroy them once and for all. During ep 8 we could see the rise of other characters to fight along with Poe. Ep 9 we see Luke has been training his sister and we get to see Leia use a lightsaber. The Senate finally sees that the FO is a threat and starts to mobilize. Luke and Leia togethers as the twin skywalkers face off with Snoke. Same time Finn and Rey face off Kylo Ren and the Knights. Luke and Leia defeat Snokes but maybe Luke is mortally wounded in the process but both take off to save Rey and Finn. Luke succumbs to his wounds and Leia has to face off with her son. The knights are defeated. Ren is defeated but maybe returns to the light and helps defeat the knights. In the end the New Republic fleet start showing up to turn the tide against the FO. Leia takes over for Luke as Jedi Master and trains a new generation of Jedi. Rough draft but it could be hammered out. That is the trilogy I would have liked to have seen. Going back to ep7 if Ford truly does not want to return you could have him die in some space battle. Imagine the MF being destroyed and he and Chewie die in ep 7. That would be a ooooooh moment. Sucks for Chewie but as is he really did not do much in the Disney trilogy. This would have been nonetheless a more befitting death for an old character. It could have happened towards the end of ep 7 to bring a sense of loss going into ep 8.
In "Rise of Rey" I noticed the style used for the dueling of lightsabers the constant bashing each saber into your opponent's weapon as if you had a piece of wood or a axe lol don't be concerned about defense just whack each other.. and it sums up each movie they way the audience is treated. The writers throw things at us without reasoning everything happens like a cartoon. The Emperor waved his hand Thousands of Star Destroyers miles in length pop up out of the ground, bloody hell how big is this planet?? Lol With full crew ha! ha! James Bond eat your heart out!!
I agree strongly with two points: The Force is not a super power! Ray was not a Force user, she's an X-Man. She belongs in the X-Men universe where people are just born with powers they only need to 'discover.' The second point is these were supposed to be sequel films, but they were not. They did not continue the story, but retold it instead. Not only did they re-destroy the Death Star, but they re-killed Palpatine as well. The Empire continually makes the same mistake of putting all of their eggs in one basket. The Death Star trick failed twice! Yet, they did it again with Star Killer Base. Then, after that didn't work, they built a fleet of Star Destroyers yet left them all in one place where they couldn't even fly on their own. (Apparently you need a navigation tower to tell you which way is up!)
Happy New Years! Two words: No direction. How do you go into a trilogy with no plan smh. Prequel had an aesthetic and plot consistency. Bad dialogue city amongst other flaws but there is a direction. This Disney trilogy is bipolar with a hectic grand finale.
Kathleen Kandice Kennedy in her infinite retardation wanted to perform an experiment to separate herself from Feige, Jackson, and Rowell. She wanted the directors to have complete creative freedom on their film. The result: The story is a jumbled mess. There are violations of continuity. Licensed artists were afraid to touch on the Sequel era in books, cartoons, and games because they weren't allowed to constrain or contradict the unfinished, unplanned films whose directors were granted first pick. There was no connection to the Sequel era due to poor storytelling and a drought of externally provided lore.
everyone it’s a shame. Honestly she had at her disposal the money the infrastructure and the preestablished fan base to build off of. It is almost laughable how she messed that up. She abandoned common sense for “greatness” which is why we got what we got. It’s remarkably evident that she failed in both intention and execution.
Happy New Year David ... you made a new fan, thank you for putting into words everything I've been feeling about this trilogy. The only thing I would add is with the Power creep both JJ and Johnson have now put into cannon I really feel for future Star Wars writers. George understood in a universe of high technology and magic there had to be limits, Jedi's couldn't fix everything with a wave of a hand and had to learn and practice using the force, travel and time still had weight, hyperspace was an escape rough and not a weapon, calculations for light speed took time and sometimes technology broke down ..... future writers for Star Wars are going to have a real hard time building meaningful suspense where even death can be waved away with a hand motion .
Well said. The fact that all of a sudden, the Force can be used to heal (and even resurrect the dead) is a fundamental misunderstanding or just IGNORANCE of the lore of Star Wars.
The only connection with the Original trilogy is the fact that this starts at 7. Re-naming this mess to *Rey: A Star Wars Story* 1, 2 and 3 would at least make a little sense. Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill... all of the original lead actors where still alive, they could've achieved something really great, but they decided to make 3 simple action movies without any depth. It all feels extremely flat and the universe itself feels narrow.
I’m glad to see you wrap this all up with an analysis of the trilogy as a whole. I enjoy your take on the films individually and I’m now glad to hear your thoughts on all three as a whole. It’s come full circle. Thank you for these videos David. I can’t wait to see what you do next.
The character highlight for me was the relationship between Finn and Poe in TFA. Kylo was decent throughout, but I think credit for that goes to Adam Driver rather than anything the scripts gave him.
its shocking how good everything in these movies is besides the story but without that everything falls apart. The fact that 2 of these movies are a not so subtle insult to the previous director is just mind boggling. why do you have anime mary and jesus and how have i not noticed that before ?
They had some interesting ideas at most, but obviously the ideas were not their priority because they failed to execute any of them in a way that satisfies the narrative of all nine films. Disney was just focused on selling trendy politics thinking it would be profitable, but it was a bad gamble. They should have focused on the writing.
10:30 that's a great point about things being explained. In Episode IV, it's clear that the Death Star had been recently built and was experimental, and you see the hints of it in Episode III. In Episode V, the 2nd Death Star is mentioned in passing, and in Episode VI you see the construction of it happening. Even in other things, such as Dark Forces or KOTOR, you have explanations of how fleets and armies are created. But not in the ST.
Original Trilogy -WW2. Black and white war. Prequel Trilogy - WW1. Politics and complicated sea of grey war. Fight me ! (Happy new year and thanks for all the great, interesting and insightful content.)
I'd normally add my own commentary on the videos about the movies, but you cover my main concerns so we'll I don't have much to say in that respect. What I do have to say is what I really enjoy about your analysis is you don't get too caught up in the minutia, or pedantic nit picking, but analyze and critique the bigger picture, the story, plot, setting and characters. A friend of mine kept harping on how is Rey Palpatine's grandchild getting caught up in the age difference and it just feels like missing the forest for the trees. I don't care about the logistics of Palpatine's lineage, but how it is set up and utilized in the story. As Mark Twain said "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story." Rey being a Palpatine was a favorite theory of mine not because it made the most sense, but because it had the most story potential going forward a story potential largely squandered. You get to the heart of why the Sequel has failed as a story, why the setting is barely coherent, how the plot is just memorable moments strung together to trigger nostalgia, how the characters are inconsistent and are driven by the hamstrung plot, how Rey is just a fan Avatar and basically a Mary Sue and that the movies are dominated by a Meta-Narrative which is partly to reject prior movies even those in its own trilogh. I thank you for offering this insight that I feel often gets over looked by most amateur and even professional critics on the Internet.
Aesthetics had meaning in Lucas Star Wars because the stories were about a deonthological struggle of good vs evil, and the aesthetics of each side reflected it. Disney's Star Wars is a story about "social justice". Social justice is relativist, meaning there's no real good or evil, there's just sides of the the argument, therefore, even though the aesthetics are copies of the OT, everything ends up looking kind of the same...
The worst thing to me is the lack of visual identity. OG stormtroopers and rebels are instantly recognizable, as are the star-ships, like the mon calamiri cruiser and star destroyers, tie fighters and x-wings. The prequel trilogy managed to do even better by re-inventing its aesthetics, inspired by the 50s and retro-futurism (and a dash of art deco) while still looking instantly familiar (clone troopers and separatist droids are the perfect poster boys for this). And their ships are near perfect as well, especially the sleek looking Republic Venator and the Separatist Lucrehulk and Providence. Even their star-fighters are well designed, the Jedi interceptor with pure lines and an aerodynamic look, while the separatist vulture is properly alien looking. Heck, even their tanks are well designed, with the bronze colored hovering AAT, and the slug looking Persuader (even the republic's Saber is easily recognizable... if a bit less visually interesting). But now, what does the sequel trilogy have to bring to the table? The only thing they seemed willing to do is to recycle and water down previous design. The first order clone trooper had all their edges rounded out (literally) and as a result are much less visually intimidating (they even look plain goofy to me). Even their weapons look like someone painted over a NERF gun (I can't suspend my disbelief while looking at those toys) The firs order uses palette swaps of the tie fighters, ATAT and star destroyers (while TRoS looses even the pretense and just reuses the same old star destroyers). There's nothing new, original or even distinctive about the sequels. if you showed me a pic out of context I would have trouble telling apart a random shot of Rogue One/Solo from a random shot of the sequel trilogy. This whole trilogy is a failure of design and a failure of visual storytelling, plain and simple.
Great breakdown! So far, this is the best video I've seen on the travesty that is the sequel trilogy. I really enjoyed how you calmly explained just how ludicrous the whole thing has been. I pretty much agree with the entire thing, and I've been really critical since the beginning of Disney Star Wars. This critique is absolutely fair and level headed and still the sequels come out looking awful. Hang your heads Abrams and Ruin Johnson, you have destroyed the hopes of millions and the legacy of Luke Skywalker.
Great video as always, Dave. You hit the nail on the head with a lot of your analysis, as you usually do! With regards to the soundtracks, I felt there was far too much reliance on the old themes (all part of those member berries I guess), particularly in Rise of Skywalker. It became cringeworthy to me. The part that broke me was when Rey held up the dagger to indicate where the thing was, and of course we suddenly hear the Imperial March, like OK WE GET IT, THAT’S BAD GUY STUFF. There was barely a moments peace, it was just constantly telling me how I was supposed to feel, it was exhausting. I was begging for there to be a silent moment where I could just FEEL something naturally.
I still don't get how nobody saw this coming. While episodes 7 and 8 were dumpster fires by their own right, they also fought _each other_ fiercely. There *is* no way of creating a consistent conclusion without a consistent *setup.* We have all seen the franchise speeding towards a massive concrete wall at 100 mph, and with 20 meters to go, everyone paused for two years to wonder how this might go down. If you ask me, *_this fiasco could not possibly have been avoided_* after the first two movies. You are one of the few reviewers who point out the crucial points most precisely. Good video!
I agree on your review of the trilogy. This was a big time rush job to put the third of the trilogy out by December 20. When I watched it, the big mistake they made was when Chewy was captured and put onboard the transport ship and Rey blew it up using her Force lighting bolts. Then later Chewy is alive and well on board the First Order ship. I forgot who said it but one of them said that Chewy was on board a second ship, I did not see a second ship. This is bad editing and again a complete rush job.
I really could not put my finger on it before, but you really hit the nail on the head: "They treated The Force like a super power". Yes, that was incredibly annoying.
You’re right. As he was thrown down the chasm - howling in terror and quickly consumed by the energy from the reactor core - he had the presence of mind to “make a proposition” to the evil that is behind the veil of the Dark Side. It all makes sense to me. ... No. No, it doesn’t.
Thanks for the breakdown. I figure I'll only watch episode IX twice. Once to absorb it for myself and then once to rifftrax the tar out of it with friends. Oh...MECHS! Need more of those in my entertainment. Particularly well thought out ones and fewer super/giant mechs would be great. I like the Gundams, Macross, and Battletechs of the mech genre. I'd just like to see some more VOTOMS, Heavy Gear, or Gasaraki (sans the supernatural). Look forward to that topic.
I think music should be much lower. Duel of the fates was cool. But to this day I always here the march on the Jedi temple every time I go to May a power move in an rts. I’ve seen all the Disney Star Wars except 9 and I can’t hum a single new addition. And for all George’s faults, he is a genius when it comes to sound design. So many sounds I can here and be taken back to whatever scene they were from. I think kylos lightsaber is about the only part of the new movies that keeps that distinct originality.
Thank you on speaking the throught on the sequel trilogy. I would also incould that it felt like watching the MCU then a Star Wars movie, by a way, I hate the MCU. The lesson to learn from the sequel Trilogy is don't work or even sell your franchise to Disney.
Thanks for watching! Disney Star Wars might actually wake a lot of people up to the problems with being a fan of corporate franchises. I hope, at least.
I enjoyed this video. I struggled to find favour with the ST beyond a minor superficial appeal, but it's nice to see a calm, considered analysis of these films.
I think that video sums up quite nicely why the new trilogy fails and why it can not be canon in Star Wars overal. These new movies fail so hard to be cohesive, not just in conjunction with the previous six movies, but also within its own trilogy and even in the very movies of each instalment. You can basically call it the "Undo Trilogy" because all it does is undo the previous work of someone else. You got JJ Abrams with the Force Awakens which undoes the work of George Lucas, then Rian Johnson which undoes JJ's movie, and then JJ Abrams again which undoes Rian's movie. Also in each of these new movies the directors wrote things into them without any care which don't make sense in the Star Wars universe and require someone to write like five novels to explain every stupid thing they've added. I mean there are Force Ghosts which interact with the real world for example, then there is that "Holdo Manuver", Rey using the force without training like a Jedi Master even though training was a big plotpoint in the original six movies, force healing out of nowhere which just opens another big can of worms and i can go on and on. It doens't matter what Disney says or even if you like the new trilogy, these new movies can not be canon because they don't respect or try to fit in their own.
I can't see any reason to rewatch the Disney Trilogy at any point in the future. Other than the visual effects, which were never really groundbreaking compared to the visual effects in the OT and the Prequels, this "sequel" trilogy features no redeeming characteristics at all. Apart from being a cautionary tale for up and coming filmmakers.
Holy shit. I couldn't sum it up better than 9:00 . The ST constantly goes out of its way to tell you "these are the last resistance fighters" "this is the entirety of the remaining resistence fleet" "...", which reduces the size of the universe to whatever you see on screen. The other movies on the other hand tell you how big the galaxy/conflict is and that everything you see is only a small part of the whole. (e.g. "many bothans died to bring back these plans") The setting is definitly my biggest gripe with the sequels.
David, If you haven't already, I implore you to watch "Star Wars: Clone Wars" 2003 (not to be confused with Star Wars: The Clone Wars). An excellent miniseries developed and drawn by Genndy Tartakovsky, the same creator of Samurai Jack, and you'll see a lot of that brought over into this miniseries. Please give it a watch and share your thoughts on it.
Some of the channels had force awakens and last Jedi on a few times over the holidays and I never once even turned them on had zero desire. The others including the prequels I’d probably stop by and watch a bit while channel surfing.
Yeah, back in the day they'd have star wars marathons on TNT or TBS or whatever and I'd just leave em on if I saw em playing. The new stuff? Can't force myself to care.
Steev Rawjers one of my favorite lines in all of Star Wars is in revenge when anakin and palpatine are talking about the special powers and anakin asks where he can learn such powers and palpatine says “not from a Jedi” and smirks. Of course any powers in the first six movies are trivial compared to 7-8-9.......so lame.
That was one of the first things that bothered me. All the ships are the same as 30 years ago. Apparently no one designed new ships in 30 years. And then when we got new ships they suck, like those stupid bombers.
Disney Star Wars is boilerplate Disney wearing a Star Wars skin. That's why it looks good. Seriously, look closely. It's all just re-skinned classic Disney characters. Rey is Minnie Mouse. Po is Micky Mouse. BB8 is Pluto. Finn is Goofy ...and Kylo Ren is Donald Duck. Search your feelings... #ExecuteOrderNixTheIX #DisneyDelendaEst ua-cam.com/video/T2dGJoWBwdA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/CIPgPIFrAcs/v-deo.html
100% agree, tl;dr version... i think the sequel trilogy will not stand the test of time when ppl start watching the 3 movies back to back to back, but when watched individually and divorced from the others, each movie can entertain you for a couple of hours if you turn your brain off i have watched tros twice now... first i was too busy to sit down for 5 hrs and go back to re-watch tfa and tlj before going to the theater, so it had been almost an entire year since i had seen any star wars (except for some bits of the mandalorian)... i somewhat enjoyed my first viewing, but i felt a little lost/scratching my head at times and i blamed this on myself for being 'rusty' with recent star wars lore. luckily i watched it with some hardcore fans whom i could ask my dozens of questions after the movie, but i thought it was quite telling how many of their answers to my questions were rarely in consensus and often contradicted each other outright so before seeing it a 2nd time a couple weeks later, i made a point of starting in the morning and watching tfa and tlj earlier that day so that story and character elements would all be fresh in my mind before heading off to the theater, and i would hopefully not be confused or uncertain about anything... but this DID NOT help at all. in fact, i would even say it made my 2nd viewing less enjoyable because it really put a spotlight on how disjointed and incohesive these 3 movies are. i actually already sensed this a bit in the afternoon when i went from tfa to tlj, and the feeling got magnified tenfold going from tlj to tros i almost used the word 'directionless' above rather than 'disjointed', but i actually prefer to say that the sequel trilogy movies have TOO MANY directions instead of a single unified aim... we move north a little, then west for a longer while, then north again, then east (backtracking the earlier westerly moves), etc. it reminds me of working at a disorganized company on a project where we cant seem to figure out clearly what primary goal to accomplish, but instead we have a jumbled list of mini-goals that individual team members want to work on... so when everyone's contributions are put together at the end, the final product is an utter mess which lacks a coherent vision
I do enjoy your input dude, and I am very entertained by your video. I don't normally get wrapped up in hate or praise for these movies because everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't understand why people have said the music of this trilogy is either not very original or "a rehash" as I have seen others say. That's usually where I check out of a review. If someone says the music is just repurposed from the originals, I usually stop listening to their entire opinion of these films, because if you think there isn't any memorable music in these films, you weren't paying close enough attention. Rey has a Theme, Rey has a secondary Theme, Poe has a Theme, Finn has a Theme, The Resistance has a Theme, The First Order has a Theme, Kylo has a Theme, Fun with Finn and Rey, The Rise of Skywalker, Ach-To has a Theme and not to mention all the sub themes sprinkled in the movies. Old themes only came up around Original Trilogy characters. I would say this trilogy has the best music of all the trilogies, and maybe some of John William's best work period. On the contrary, the prequels, although musically are phenomenal, did rely on old themes a lot, especially Revenge of the Sith. We hear binary Sunset in that film done in a million iterations, which I understand was intentional because it lines up as the movie right before the movie with the least amount of musical themes.
Episode X should start with a montage of scenes from episodes VII through IX, ending after about a minute with Luke waking up in his quarters in his Jedi Academy, shaking his head and saying, "What a crazy dream." He then gets up and goes out into the academy courtyard, where Rey, Ben Solo, and Han Solo are talking about Leia's recent death. Then we get the trilogy in which the new Republic squanders everything that was gained in the first trilogy, and Luke and Han hand off their respective mantles to their heirs.
The Disney Trilogy is haphazard, incohesive, has dead-end story arcs, is full of flat uninteresting characters, wastes the potential of legacy characters, introduce way to many convenient plot device and deus ex machina, non-memorable music, etc.
The only consistent thing in the Sequel Trilogy is that each movie pretends the previous film didn't matter: The Force Awakens: Oh, ROTJ's ending didn't matter, here's a new Empire biatch. The Last Jedi: Oh, the set ups and questions in The Force Awakens didn't matter. The Rise of Skywalker: Oh, we didn't mean 90% of the stuff in The Last Jedi, let's retcon around it and also ROTJ's ending didn't matter, here's Palpatine biatch. They bought Star Wars from George, but then they had no fucking idea what to do, they cherry picked stuff from the EU but then ignored it, but then pretended that they have no material to use to build the story and worlds in the Sequel Trilogy. What a bizarre cinematic anomaly.
Your analysis and commentaries on media are ace, and conveyed in a really easy to digest way. Looking forward to 2020s content. I'd also love to hear any UA-camr's thoughts on rumors that Disney has been purposefully tainting Star Wars to further increase their own agendas of control.
I’ve been trying to explain for awhile why I don’t like the sequel trilogy (I did enjoy The Rise Of Skywalker although I recognized it’s problems) but you broke it down and explained it so effectively. Thank you.
David, you summarized perfectly my thoughts about this mess of a trilogy. Thanks for that and Happy New Year to you and everyone else following the channel.
In this video, you say the exact things I think about this trilogy... but at least you still can articulate a word about it! I... I cannot do it! I'm with you on everything you said but I cannot explaint these concepts like you did: every time I try to talk about this trilogy and its flaws, I become the incredible Hulk! I'm a huge fan of Star Wars, not the best (I'm not the greatest expert in Legends, various tv spin off etc), I grow up with this brand (I saw Episode 4 when I was 5 yo, in the 1996) and everytime I think about this nue Trilogy and the last film... I cannot event think! So... thank you for having said what I couldn't say! xD
Moonsong looks interesting Ill check it out forsure! great video, nailed it man. this sequel trilogy is the best example of how not to do SW, it is a brand, and the brand was always led by a male knight hero, and that's its base. SW to me, in rotj, always felt like it was going in a game of thrones/ Zelda direction of knights populating the galaxy instead of gun wielders. and that would of been awesome, to see Jedi vs sith in large numbers with the SW underground somehow tied in. I would of preferred ben solo be the lead, and be a duo with Chewbacca and it be a real heroes journey have a lot of samurai epic elements with cool blade runner 2049 like look, and through out the trilogy we see his relationships to han leia and luke comes in and is like the Gandalf to bens Bilbo. But instead we got this POS.
The Last Jedi also destroyed Princess Leia... she comes off as an emotionally incompetent commander... She was completely useless in that movie too... You could edit her out entirely and there won't be a difference.
The Farce Awakens
The Lost Jedi
The Demise of Skywalker
Nooseph Polten
Episode VII: The Woke Force
Episode VIII: Let The Past Die
Episode IX: Kill It, If You Have To
The Turd Trilogy
Star Wars 7: Rehash Awakens
Star Wars 8: The Last Last Straw that broke the Franchise
Star Wars 9: Rise of the Corporate Frankenstein Mess
This series proves that billions of dollars and near limitless resources can't compare to artistic vision
Amen to that
Best comment I've read on the joke that is the Disney trilogy. The ingenuity and inventiveness that went into the original trilogy is incredible.
@@tobylerone8416 And to think that there was no set plan or narrative template for the original trilogy. Yet the writers, director's and production crews working on the movies still managed to tell a complete story with only minor flaws.
@Revan Exactly. And in my opinion Rian Johnson wins. And you know why? Because JJ Abrams didn't have the guts to bring back Snoke. But he could bring back Palpatine? Just think of it. Palpatine is just as dead as Snoke, if not even more, he got vaporized. Bringing back Snoke would be a real slap to the Johnson's face
@Revan Exactly!!
This is what success looks like. Disney succeeded in getting rid of Star Wars, its fanbase, and its cultural impact while all the while still milking it all for money.
And looking like moral good guys. They're just selling trendy politics, they don't actually care about activism. They'd sell anything.
Nah. They failed. They could have milked it for 10+billion more than they made this last decade alone but they are so inept left left all that cash on the table. For waahmen and woke points. The only thing disney succeeded in was making themselves look incompetent.
@@skoopsro7656 Which would matter if the point was to make money. Disney sends in revenue reports. Everything else they're doing more than makes up for any hits Star Wars gives. The point is to deliver propaganda. Propaganda that so far has been fairly well received by people who aren't fans, who were never the target audience to begin with.
It's an intentional assault upon the Culture most of us prefer.
@@thefreshestslice4105 I totally get that perspective. Disney has always been a propaganda tool.
BUT They could have made the extra untold billions and succeeded in their political goals at the same time. But their incompetence, seemingly poor management, and lack of creativity prevented them from doing both simultaneously. These corporate schmucks have their cake and eat it too all the time. With some high school level ELA class brainstorming they could have here also.
They regressed the Han and Luke characters. No growth at all. Luke should have been portrayed much more noble and spiritually enlightened. Think Gandalf the white. Thats probably the worst treatment of an iconic character in the history of cinema. I waited 35 years for this?
They also fucked up Princess Leia... she went from a competent military strategist... to an emotionally incompetent general who couldn't even supply her forces with fuel...
I wasn't against Luke rejecting the lightsaber, but not as bitter old man looking to die, but someone who has rejected violence. Has hope for the universe and still looks to improve it, but believes violence is not the way, atleast not for him. Also rejecting the lightsaber would be a sign of giving up on attachments. I think it would have been great if Luke got the Lightsaber looked at it contemplatively and then handed back and said, "Thank You, but I don't need this anymore." A sign he isn't stuck in the past has moved on and maybe a message to the audience they shouldn't be either. Unfortunately Rian Johnson doesn't realize you can't just subvert for the sake of subversion. There needs to be something substantive to that subversion. A reason for it that provides a message, or moves the story along in a meaningful way.
@@ShamanMcLamie Jedi's have supposedly already rejected violence, they only use it when they have to in the original films. Rejecting using physical action when you have to, is kind of dumb !
They estranged Solo from Lia and turned him back into a smuggler / bum, completely destroying his and Lias character arcs from the original films. And then go and kill him off in front of a bunch of nobodies. Killed by his emo son who lazily JJ decided was going to go over to the dark side, which has all been done before ! A Lazy, boring and predictable switch which wasn't even done very well !
"Errr kylo why have you gone over to the dark side" -
"Because its what Anakin would have wanted"
I dont think JJ watched return of the Jedi to the very end did he !
And then thanks to Rian Johnson who decides hes going to try and one up JJ in the cultura1 mar-xist subversion stakes, and makes Luke a bitter and twisted bum, why because contrary to everything his character did in the original trilogy, having faith in the second most evil person in the galaxy to come good his dad Darth Vader. He decides to try and kill his sisters and his best mates son, because he had a vision he might become bad at some point ! Talentless zi0c0mmunist hacks the pair of them !
@@rocketmunkey1 ,
So.. it's in the cultural-Marxists' interest to make every woman (other than Rey) into people no one would like, respect, or care about?
A thing about what Rian Johnson did makes the whole thing even more "interesting" -not only did he sabotage the things the first director did he also sabotaged what the next director Colin Trevorrow was planning to do and he did it with the blessing of the one that was supposed the keep the whole thing in check Kathleen Kennedy.
What was Trevorrow planning to do?
According to Mark Hamill, there were big plans for Luke Skywalker in Episode 9 those plans completely went down the drain when Rian Johnson without consulting with Trevorrow killed the character and turned the script he worked on to trash -this was one of the reasons Trevorrow left or was removed from the project.
@@Hykje Wondering if part of the reason Rian screwed episode 8 up so much is that he wanted to direct 9 in addition to 8 and thought if he screwed 8 up enough Disney would be forced to let him continue his story into 9 as well... As much as I dislike JJ, Rian just seems like such a petty person. At least JJ is just a completely clueless hack who has been failing upwards, rather than someone who has essentially been failing intentionally.
Three guys in a sandbox fighting it out -amazing planing Lucasfilm.
@@Hykje ,
You forgot the other detail... the nanny is playing candy crush saga on her phone and is oblivious to it all...
In the final scene I realised MaRey Sue has achieved something no other character has achieved: she LITERALLY became ALL the characters of the universe. She literally is the only one left. Sitting alone on Tattoine cause theres no one elae in the entire star wars universe. Lol
This should never be referred to as the "Sequel Trilogy" but instead , the Disney Trilogy. It is not Lucas canon.
Couldn't agree more.
It's Batman and Robin of the Star Wars franchise
How about the nostalogy?
I'd go with "The Disney Fanfic" myself, only that would be an insult to the actually good Star Wars fanfics out there.
Disney Trilogy concluding the Palpatine Saga. The Skywalkers were rendered inert. Rey just came in and took everything that she didn't earn. If only she was in Episode III with that second lightsaber to help Yoda lol
"As if it was one entire cohesive trilogy" 😆 we're off to a brilliant start
It was doomed from the start as soon as they did not have a consistent writing team for all three movies
@@patsfan4life it was doomed from the start as soon as Lucas sold it to woke Disney...
At the end of the day it must be judged on that premise, whatever else happened in production.
That was my thought when he said it I kind of had to chuckle a little bit "as if it were one cohesive trilogy"
"This will begin to make things right."
LOL.
That is one of the biggest problem with this trilogy. Every movie is too self aware. Instead of just continuing the story and charting a new path forward each movie is too busy trying to undo what came before.
ShamanMcLamie, you’re so right.
Bruh moment
Funny thing is, the Hungarian translator felt something was off about that line, obviously he didn't know that was JJ's meta-message to OT fans, so in Hungarian the line sounds like this: "A step towards a brighter future." And here, the line makes sense for the story, not a wink-wink moment to the audience.
Star Wars Episode 9: Rapid-Fire Stupidity
“Don’t Think! Consume Product!”
CONSOOOOOOOM
i see you've been watching critical drinker, good stuff
Laugh! Now feel tension! You're crying! Excitment! Laugh again!! Nostalgia!! More excitement!
"And then the plot be like: dun" worry, she'll be foine. Now go away!" The dinner is quotable indeed... Here's to a new year of Disney and every other social justice mongering company biting the dust 🥂
@@driftless7134 nostalgia for things that have never left pop culture!
"Failure the best teacher is"
So this trilogy is the ultimate textbook on filmmaking
@Revan Some succeed despite of it, not because of it
Funny thing about that "success", the movies didn't make nearly enough money to recoup the original investment into Lucasfilms since they didn't pull multimillion dollar budgeted movies out of thin air, same with the theme parks (which, along with the toys, are a better estimate to how the franchise is actually performing rn). It's why the movie budget was getting shrunk each subsequent film!
The internal inconsistency even extends to the way in which they represent character growth. Han is still a smuggler, and Luke is in a phase of stunted development, as though their arcs remain incomplete after 30+ years. Meanwhile, we are asked to believe that Rey, Finn, and Poe each undergo substantial character growth within a few hours or minutes.
There may be an element of the writers only being interested in the characters they created, or feel ownership of, rather than the characters created by another writer. Having worked in business, you see the same thing when a new manager arrives - all the existing projects get sidelined to make space for the new manager's great new ideas, they recruit people they've worked with before into senior positions, etc.
John Davis I'm not even sure these writers were interested in anyone except Kylo and Rey, and even their characters were destroyed by the end. Finn's arc was pretty much finished by the end of TFA - they could have done more stuff with him later, but not whatever was going on in TLJ. Poe never had an arc at all. Frankly you could write out either of those two with minimal effect on the plot.
I think the movies reflect the failure of Disneys' expectations of buying Star Wars. This trilogy was never meant to be anything in particular, for instance "the climax of the Skywalker Saga". That was an innovation for TROS. What they thought they had was a franchise they could do as they wished with, and all these movies were supposed to do was pass the fandom on to a new set of younger characters who could be marketed. Hence, there was no real plan for the stories; they idea was they could hand each movie to writers and directors to do with as they wished, so long as they achieved a general role of, in these early movies, eliminating the old characters and replacing them with the new ones. That was the only general goal passed to Rian Johnson, and they no doubt intended some other directors or Johnson to churn out further movies like that.
Then Solo and TLJ were disastrous and they had to try to make some kind of coherent thing to save face, as they became aware that these new characters like Rey and Finn were not going to have any lasting appeal. So they had to come up with some kind of conclusion and TROS is that. What we're seeing in a sense is three movies that chronicle an epic saga of management failure.
Lol Luke died at the end of TLJ because he drank raw, alien milk to try and impress or gross out Rey. He had this look on his face like "I shouldn't have done that. Hope that doesn't have any consequences later."
This comment gave me a good chuckle 😂
Likewise :)
Mark Hamill didn't have to do any acting because, that was warm curdled milk with green food coloring. Talk about disrespect.
Would prefer that to "um... like force overdose?"
Jake Soywanker died from dysentery , this is now canon!
Disney didn't just "Marvel-ize" the Force. They completely misinterpreted it. Take the line: "Darkness rises, and light to meet it." The use of this phrase in a cliched Yin/Yang sense in The Last Jedi demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what "bringing balance to force" means. Rian Johnson was clueless. The idea of balance of the Force, a central tenet of the Jedi Order, refers to the ideal state in which the Force exists in nature, i.e. as the light side. The presence of the dark side corrupts and destroys this natural balance, and the Jedi viewed it as their duty to restore it. Many incorrectly assume that balance refers to an equal mix of both light and dark side users. However, as George Lucas explains in the introductory documentary for A New Hope, Special Edition, this is not the case:
"[...] Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."
In an interview, Lucas compared the difference between the light and dark sides as being like the difference between a symbiotic relationship and a cancer. A symbiotic relationship is one which benefits both parties and in which neither is harmed, whereas a cancer takes without giving back, eventually causing the death of both parties.
On a side note, in the French translation of "The Phantom Menace" the "bring balance to the Force" concept was translated to "restaurer l'harmonie dans la Force" (to restore the harmony to the force). This is one of the unusual cases where the intended concept had a better translation than the original.
Ah. So it is not a Yin/Yang concept. The light side is supposed to be what rules but the dark side wishes to corrupt it. Had never seen that documentary. Thanks :)
Tom Miller thank you!!!! I had no idea Lucas said this but my interpretation of the force was basically that and the fans/new movies made it seem like I had misinterpreted the force in the original 6.
It makes no god damn sense to tolerate savage mass murderers for “balance”. It’s like an eye for an eye.....only the evil having eyes isn’t really a great alternative.
Well said! And I think its Roundhead Ruin jackass especially but jar jar abrams too and kathleen kennedy who DO NOT or rather DONT WANT to believe this even though its canon. Yes "bringing balance to the force" MEANS destroying the sith and the dark sides servants. Anyone who has read Star Wars EU books knows this very well. It DOESNT and HAS NEVER meant "there should be equal amounts of light and dark" that is utterly ridiculous and something only a nihilistic asswipe like roundhead ruin would consider as suitable for Star Wars and its because of his own personal lack of integrity and morals and wanting to validate himself and his nonsense beliefs through this movie, by making the force itself nihilistic and dismissing everything built up in the entire series before he got his hands on it.
And for what he did to Luke Skywalker I will NEVER forgive him and NEVER watch a movie he is associated with in any way even just as a name; fuck him so much.
For these reasons I dont consider the disney movies canon AND NEVER WILL and its high time LUCASFILM did the same and declared the Kathleen kennedy movies NON CANON and then fire her and all her minions roundhead and jar jar and their people included, no loyalists left to poison the brand once they are thrown out we wont risk THAT. This is the only way to save Star Wars and begin making REAL money again like Star Wars made during the george lucas era, and WITHOUT having to spend a billion dollars investing in a movie like plan 9 ruse of soywalker which appears will ONLY make its money back and maybe just a slight profit but no more and thats unheard of in a Star wars movie. Or else go out of business, either that or conceding to our demands is the only ways I will accept from TLJ onwards and I will NEVER change my mind because of how repulsive and racist sjw feminsit garbage is to me and always will be and always has been. They very greatly overestimated "brand loyalty" when they thought that would save them from making BAD OFFENSIVE PIECE OF SHIT "movies" calling it star wars and yet destroying all it can of star wars and also endlessly ATTACKING THEIR OWN CUSTOMERS in interviews and hit pieces and so on with their minions the shill media. To me this is unforgivable, all of this. This is why the boycott is so easy for me. I remember all of this nearly every single day. Its impossible not to when I think of Star wars now. How sad. Disney is so sad and pathetic.
For years I have debated fans over what balance to the force meant. It was really annoying to me that so many fans interpreted it as equal numbers of Sith and Jedi...which makes absolutely no sense at all.
Good point. I think Hollywood people fundamentally do not understand human beings or why humans have the morality we have. They don't have a sense of inner calm and come off as neurotic weirdos.
Next trilogy will have Death Star pistols.
Star Wars 10: Rey Sue blows up planets with her mind.
It will just be Rey, floating around empty space, in her super x-wing she build from scratch, when suddenly, she gets even more powerful, and wins despite not having an opponent.
This movie made me feel like i was being rushed through A discount dollar shop where all they sell is cotton candy , pop corn , and soda pop with a cheapo star wars sticker label slapped on each bag
At least then you'd get some cotton candy out of it
I was honestly pretty sure Palpatine was gonna be a vision or a hologram or something back when they put his laughter in the trailers, I couldn't believe they were stupid and desperate enough to really bring him back when his death and Vader's redemption were the main point of the whole OT...
Actually a Palpatine AI would've had really interesting concepts connected to it. Like he may not have the force anymore, but if he can mess with your astromech or navigation computer that'd be a big threat on his own.
I rather watch the prequels.
give me the original legends canon that universe is much better than this shite
Cale Boch
Big Agree
The Pre-Disney canon is objectively better
Daniel Bohl 100%
Same here. At least they tell an original, coherent story that has meaning relative to the original trilogy.
We all do.
My wife got a taser for Christmas, making me realize that is the EXACT sound effect that Kylo’s lightsaber gives off.
"What did you get for Christmas?"
"Socks. And you?"
"A Tazer."
Johannes Seyfried haha yeah something like that. I do a ton of overnight travel for work, and she’s home alone frequently. She’s never really scared, but her mother worries - hence the gift of a taser.
I will say, it is fun to play with!
@@youngkingdom8131 Well, I generally don't judge Fetishes.
There are worse.
There’s no story/continuity, just a lot of cool looking events as a consequence of two writers/directors having a pissing contest with one another. This apathetic handling of the trilogy ultimately falls on Kennedy and Iger.
The Force is treated as a magic in this Disney trilogy in the way bad writers use magic i.e. the magic has no rules or limitations and therefore can do anything to drive the plot forward. Good magic is hard and used when required. In the other films the Force had limitations on what it could do now it can bring back the dead with no hint at it being that powerful previously.
Even when KOTOR 2 does revives the dead, it's done in the context of a Faustian bargain, such as when Kreia revives Hanharr and Tobin. She does revive them, but it's clear they are slaves to her will.
The Last Jedi should've used purple, because that's the color you turn when you're choking to death.
I finally summoned the courage and watched ep IX yesterday... It somehow managed to be worse than what I expected. It was the most desperate, incoherent, disrespectful and derivative movie Ive seen in years. Yes, it was worse than the last jedi because at least the last jedi was trying to be disrespectful, this just was by sheer incompetence.
I'd rate music lower. Yes its John Williams but none of it ties with the narrative and enhances it.
It's like a John Williams background track playing over a random movie.
Honestly most of the music in the new trilogy are either rehashed OT or forgettable.
Say what you want about the prequels, but at least their music was new and refreshing.
John Williams did an outstanding job on the music for Episodes 1-6. His music for the Disney films, however, is forgettable. I think he must take true inspiration from the films he scores, which explains why his music in Episodes 7-9 is so bland...the films are not inspiring.
@@jamiebraswell5520 I agree, but I think the cause is the Disney directors don't know how to communicate a vision. Imagine Rian Johnson trying to describe his vision to John Williams.
RJ: So, Luke then tosses the lightsaber away.
JW: Why?
RJ: Cause he's a bitter loser who tried to murder his nephew in his sleep.
JW: What???
When the director is saying stuff like that, what emotion is he supposed to impart onto the scene?
Other than Rey's theme, there's virtually nothing new or memorable. Kylo's theme is plain, short and meh.
Okay, if there is one person involved with these flicks I will defend to my death its John Williams. Considering the material he had to work with and the conditions he had to work under (Rian, the hack, only gave him a Temp Track instead of spotting the movie with him like most other Directors do), he did the best he could. Its not among his best work but still the best thing about these films and he deserves an award for trying to carry these films all by himself.
Plus, he isn't the youngest anymore (he will turn 88 next month). That he still works on Films this large is unreal.
I like looking at colours filmmakers use to evoke emotion/tone. in the Disney trilogy I only get a soulless corporate feel. It reminds me of a beautiful painting that was made with a paint by the numbers kit.
P.S. Happy New year Dave. I love your take on things!
They didn't even do paint-by-numbers right either!
I fear that we are entering an era with movies now having dlc's and patches. Wanna know what that character was talking about? We will explain it with supplemental products. "Oh crap we made a mistake, we will fix it in the next film". I think that is more bad than having just a bad film.
I think ep 7 should have started more with what Lucas wanted. Some young female force sensitive is seeking Luke out to train her to be a Jedi. She finds him on some remote planet at some ancient Jedi temple. He has lost his way over failing to see Ben Solo going to the dark side. This would tie in with ep 5-6 where in spite of knowing what a ruthless force Vader was that his father was still in there and refused to give up on the good side buried within. Through flash backs we see Ben as Kyno Ren with the Knights of Ren destroying Luke's new order. This is Luke's internal struggle: his failure to see the rise of the dark within Ben. He trains "Rey" and she helps him find himself again. This story arc could have continued on into ep 8. Meanwhile we see the defection of Finn and he meeting up with Poe. We then get introduced to the Resistance. We see Leia talking to the New Republic Senate who throws aside her concerns of the First Order who are remnants of the Imperial fleet who objected to the treaty of Jakku or whatever it was called. The Senate overtly states they are tired of war and with the treaty with the remnants of the galactic empire they are gearing up for peace and greatly reducing the fleet. etc. Through that exchange we learn that what remained of the Galactic Empire still controls part of the galaxy while the New Republic controls the remaining. Btw, this is in the newer Disney books. Covertly Leia gets help from some Senators who provide her with materials to fight the FO in areas it is currently controlling. No giant death star. We get to see giant space battles and land battles as the Resistance struggles against the FO. We get to see Han and Leia as generals of the resistance commanding like Mon Mothma did. They get screen time just not the main focus other than Leia's trip to the Senate. Instead we see Poe and Finn's development of which we learn of Finn being force sensitive. We as well see Kylo Ren and the Knights are working with the FO and some mysterious entity is pulling strings from the shadows, ie Snoke who is a darksider from the outer fringes of the unknown galaxy. ep 8 would continue on with this. Finn somehow gets introduced to Luke and Rey who may have had some encounter with the knights. We see Finn getting jedi training. We as well see the uniting of Luke with his Sister and Han. Insert more space battles and land battles. We see Snoke more in the flesh. He specifically wants Kylo and the Knights to hunt down Luke and the resurgence of this jedi order and destroy them once and for all. During ep 8 we could see the rise of other characters to fight along with Poe. Ep 9 we see Luke has been training his sister and we get to see Leia use a lightsaber. The Senate finally sees that the FO is a threat and starts to mobilize. Luke and Leia togethers as the twin skywalkers face off with Snoke. Same time Finn and Rey face off Kylo Ren and the Knights. Luke and Leia defeat Snokes but maybe Luke is mortally wounded in the process but both take off to save Rey and Finn. Luke succumbs to his wounds and Leia has to face off with her son. The knights are defeated. Ren is defeated but maybe returns to the light and helps defeat the knights. In the end the New Republic fleet start showing up to turn the tide against the FO. Leia takes over for Luke as Jedi Master and trains a new generation of Jedi.
Rough draft but it could be hammered out. That is the trilogy I would have liked to have seen. Going back to ep7 if Ford truly does not want to return you could have him die in some space battle. Imagine the MF being destroyed and he and Chewie die in ep 7. That would be a ooooooh moment. Sucks for Chewie but as is he really did not do much in the Disney trilogy. This would have been nonetheless a more befitting death for an old character. It could have happened towards the end of ep 7 to bring a sense of loss going into ep 8.
In "Rise of Rey" I noticed the style used for the dueling of lightsabers the constant bashing each saber into your opponent's weapon as if you had a piece of wood or a axe lol don't be concerned about defense just whack each other.. and it sums up each movie
they way the audience is treated. The writers throw things at us without reasoning everything happens like a cartoon. The Emperor waved his hand Thousands of Star Destroyers miles in length pop up out of the ground, bloody hell how big is this planet?? Lol With full crew ha! ha! James Bond eat your heart out!!
The Marvelization of The Force as superpower. Excellent description, sir.
“It felt like a very bizarre Star Wars dream.”
I don’t think it could be said any better.
I agree strongly with two points: The Force is not a super power! Ray was not a Force user, she's an X-Man. She belongs in the X-Men universe where people are just born with powers they only need to 'discover.' The second point is these were supposed to be sequel films, but they were not. They did not continue the story, but retold it instead. Not only did they re-destroy the Death Star, but they re-killed Palpatine as well. The Empire continually makes the same mistake of putting all of their eggs in one basket. The Death Star trick failed twice! Yet, they did it again with Star Killer Base. Then, after that didn't work, they built a fleet of Star Destroyers yet left them all in one place where they couldn't even fly on their own. (Apparently you need a navigation tower to tell you which way is up!)
Happy New Years! Two words: No direction. How do you go into a trilogy with no plan smh. Prequel had an aesthetic and plot consistency. Bad dialogue city amongst other flaws but there is a direction. This Disney trilogy is bipolar with a hectic grand finale.
Kathleen Kandice Kennedy in her infinite retardation wanted to perform an experiment to separate herself from Feige, Jackson, and Rowell. She wanted the directors to have complete creative freedom on their film. The result: The story is a jumbled mess. There are violations of continuity. Licensed artists were afraid to touch on the Sequel era in books, cartoons, and games because they weren't allowed to constrain or contradict the unfinished, unplanned films whose directors were granted first pick.
There was no connection to the Sequel era due to poor storytelling and a drought of externally provided lore.
TheT34Tank agreed i think that is evidenced by the fact that a pretty good series (Star Wars clone wars) was able to made out of those things.
everyone it’s a shame. Honestly she had at her disposal the money the infrastructure and the preestablished fan base to build off of. It is almost laughable how she messed that up. She abandoned common sense for “greatness” which is why we got what we got. It’s remarkably evident that she failed in both intention and execution.
Happy New Year David ... you made a new fan, thank you for putting into words everything I've been feeling about this trilogy. The only thing I would add is with the Power creep both JJ and Johnson have now put into cannon I really feel for future Star Wars writers. George understood in a universe of high technology and magic there had to be limits, Jedi's couldn't fix everything with a wave of a hand and had to learn and practice using the force, travel and time still had weight, hyperspace was an escape rough and not a weapon, calculations for light speed took time and sometimes technology broke down ..... future writers for Star Wars are going to have a real hard time building meaningful suspense where even death can be waved away with a hand motion .
Well said. The fact that all of a sudden, the Force can be used to heal (and even resurrect the dead) is a fundamental misunderstanding or just IGNORANCE of the lore of Star Wars.
The only connection with the Original trilogy is the fact that this starts at 7.
Re-naming this mess to *Rey: A Star Wars Story* 1, 2 and 3 would at least make a little sense.
Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill... all of the original lead actors where still alive, they could've achieved something really great, but they decided to make 3 simple action movies without any depth. It all feels extremely flat and the universe itself feels narrow.
100% Spot on. Happy New Year All!
I’m glad to see you wrap this all up with an analysis of the trilogy as a whole. I enjoy your take on the films individually and I’m now glad to hear your thoughts on all three as a whole. It’s come full circle. Thank you for these videos David. I can’t wait to see what you do next.
Great review. If there's any out there that accurately reflects my thoughts on current Star Wars, this is it.
The character highlight for me was the relationship between Finn and Poe in TFA. Kylo was decent throughout, but I think credit for that goes to Adam Driver rather than anything the scripts gave him.
The characters of Finn and Poe and the acting chops of Adam Driver, John Boyega, and Oscar Isaac were all too good for this trilogy.
JJ answers mystery boxes with more mystery boxes.
its shocking how good everything in these movies is besides the story but without that everything falls apart.
The fact that 2 of these movies are a not so subtle insult to the previous director is just mind boggling.
why do you have anime mary and jesus and how have i not noticed that before ?
disney has turned star wars into Star Wars INto The darkness it is now a big con as a KhAAAAAAAAAAAAAN story
All three are. 7 is pointed at Lucas. 8 at Jar Jar. 9 back at Rian Sucks Johnson.
They had some interesting ideas at most, but obviously the ideas were not their priority because they failed to execute any of them in a way that satisfies the narrative of all nine films. Disney was just focused on selling trendy politics thinking it would be profitable, but it was a bad gamble. They should have focused on the writing.
@@krieghart5515 also because #disneyhadnoplan
@@BungieStudios lol classic true
10:30 that's a great point about things being explained. In Episode IV, it's clear that the Death Star had been recently built and was experimental, and you see the hints of it in Episode III. In Episode V, the 2nd Death Star is mentioned in passing, and in Episode VI you see the construction of it happening. Even in other things, such as Dark Forces or KOTOR, you have explanations of how fleets and armies are created. But not in the ST.
Clicked faster than traveling at the Speed of Light inside the Star Wars Universe.
"I bypassed the compressor!" 🥴
Original Trilogy -WW2. Black and white war. Prequel Trilogy - WW1. Politics and complicated sea of grey war. Fight me ! (Happy new year and thanks for all the great, interesting and insightful content.)
I'd normally add my own commentary on the videos about the movies, but you cover my main concerns so we'll I don't have much to say in that respect.
What I do have to say is what I really enjoy about your analysis is you don't get too caught up in the minutia, or pedantic nit picking, but analyze and critique the bigger picture, the story, plot, setting and characters. A friend of mine kept harping on how is Rey Palpatine's grandchild getting caught up in the age difference and it just feels like missing the forest for the trees. I don't care about the logistics of Palpatine's lineage, but how it is set up and utilized in the story. As Mark Twain said "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story." Rey being a Palpatine was a favorite theory of mine not because it made the most sense, but because it had the most story potential going forward a story potential largely squandered.
You get to the heart of why the Sequel has failed as a story, why the setting is barely coherent, how the plot is just memorable moments strung together to trigger nostalgia, how the characters are inconsistent and are driven by the hamstrung plot, how Rey is just a fan Avatar and basically a Mary Sue and that the movies are dominated by a Meta-Narrative which is partly to reject prior movies even those in its own trilogh. I thank you for offering this insight that I feel often gets over looked by most amateur and even professional critics on the Internet.
Star Wars: "Lost in time, and lost in space, and meaning." - Rocky Horror Picture Show Narrator
Aesthetics had meaning in Lucas Star Wars because the stories were about a deonthological struggle of good vs evil, and the aesthetics of each side reflected it.
Disney's Star Wars is a story about "social justice". Social justice is relativist, meaning there's no real good or evil, there's just sides of the the argument, therefore, even though the aesthetics are copies of the OT, everything ends up looking kind of the same...
By far, this is the best review for these films/series on the internet. Expertly done. Highly recommend sharing this review with people.
Realistically, Rey is really an author insert from Kathleen Kennedy more than anyone.
"Its only interesting because its a failure"... that kinda sums it up.
Rey is still a Marry Sue in the third movie. She can do force healing but she has never trained in that skill.
The worst thing to me is the lack of visual identity. OG stormtroopers and rebels are instantly recognizable, as are the star-ships, like the mon calamiri cruiser and star destroyers, tie fighters and x-wings. The prequel trilogy managed to do even better by re-inventing its aesthetics, inspired by the 50s and retro-futurism (and a dash of art deco) while still looking instantly familiar (clone troopers and separatist droids are the perfect poster boys for this). And their ships are near perfect as well, especially the sleek looking Republic Venator and the Separatist Lucrehulk and Providence. Even their star-fighters are well designed, the Jedi interceptor with pure lines and an aerodynamic look, while the separatist vulture is properly alien looking.
Heck, even their tanks are well designed, with the bronze colored hovering AAT, and the slug looking Persuader (even the republic's Saber is easily recognizable... if a bit less visually interesting).
But now, what does the sequel trilogy have to bring to the table? The only thing they seemed willing to do is to recycle and water down previous design. The first order clone trooper had all their edges rounded out (literally) and as a result are much less visually intimidating (they even look plain goofy to me). Even their weapons look like someone painted over a NERF gun (I can't suspend my disbelief while looking at those toys)
The firs order uses palette swaps of the tie fighters, ATAT and star destroyers (while TRoS looses even the pretense and just reuses the same old star destroyers).
There's nothing new, original or even distinctive about the sequels. if you showed me a pic out of context I would have trouble telling apart a random shot of Rogue One/Solo from a random shot of the sequel trilogy.
This whole trilogy is a failure of design and a failure of visual storytelling, plain and simple.
Great breakdown! So far, this is the best video I've seen on the travesty that is the sequel trilogy. I really enjoyed how you calmly explained just how ludicrous the whole thing has been. I pretty much agree with the entire thing, and I've been really critical since the beginning of Disney Star Wars. This critique is absolutely fair and level headed and still the sequels come out looking awful. Hang your heads Abrams and Ruin Johnson, you have destroyed the hopes of millions and the legacy of Luke Skywalker.
Great video as always, Dave. You hit the nail on the head with a lot of your analysis, as you usually do!
With regards to the soundtracks, I felt there was far too much reliance on the old themes (all part of those member berries I guess), particularly in Rise of Skywalker. It became cringeworthy to me. The part that broke me was when Rey held up the dagger to indicate where the thing was, and of course we suddenly hear the Imperial March, like OK WE GET IT, THAT’S BAD GUY STUFF. There was barely a moments peace, it was just constantly telling me how I was supposed to feel, it was exhausting. I was begging for there to be a silent moment where I could just FEEL something naturally.
I found the overuse of wide shots in moments of tension pretty jarring in TLJ.
I still don't get how nobody saw this coming. While episodes 7 and 8 were dumpster fires by their own right, they also fought _each other_ fiercely. There *is* no way of creating a consistent conclusion without a consistent *setup.* We have all seen the franchise speeding towards a massive concrete wall at 100 mph, and with 20 meters to go, everyone paused for two years to wonder how this might go down. If you ask me, *_this fiasco could not possibly have been avoided_* after the first two movies.
You are one of the few reviewers who point out the crucial points most precisely. Good video!
I got the urge to pop-in A New Hope while listening to this. Brb
Happy new year, David!
Thanks for a great year of insights!
Thanks for your channel.
I just bought your Fantasy Christmas Spectacular.
I agree on your review of the trilogy. This was a big time rush job to put the third of the trilogy out by December 20. When I watched it, the big mistake they made was when Chewy was captured and put onboard the transport ship and Rey blew it up using her Force lighting bolts. Then later Chewy is alive and well on board the First Order ship. I forgot who said it but one of them said that Chewy was on board a second ship, I did not see a second ship. This is bad editing and again a complete rush job.
I really could not put my finger on it before, but you really hit the nail on the head: "They treated The Force like a super power". Yes, that was incredibly annoying.
Like it was various superpowers.
I'll tell you how Palpatine survived.
He survived because the Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Palpatine wins the gene wars
Lol
You’re right.
As he was thrown down the chasm - howling in terror and quickly consumed by the energy from the reactor core - he had the presence of mind to “make a proposition” to the evil that is behind the veil of the Dark Side.
It all makes sense to me.
...
No. No, it doesn’t.
Is it possible to learn this power?
@@trustworthytim4762 Not from a mouse.
I've gotten many hours of entertainment from this "trilogy" just from listening to people talk about how bad it is.
Oddly enough the first order should still be around, i mean they 'reigned supreme' in TLJ apparently. Only one FO ship got destroyed.
A superb, methodical analysis of a sad end to a truly epic tale....
Jar Jar Abrams, Darth Kennedy and Ruin Johnson need to get together and watch this video.
It's like a messy divorce had a movie trilogy.
"Feels like you're having a bad dream" really sums up the experience.
"To get 2 or 1, there would need to be wide portions of the movie with no story at all" So the Cats movie, basically.
Thanks for the breakdown. I figure I'll only watch episode IX twice. Once to absorb it for myself and then once to rifftrax the tar out of it with friends.
Oh...MECHS! Need more of those in my entertainment. Particularly well thought out ones and fewer super/giant mechs would be great. I like the Gundams, Macross, and Battletechs of the mech genre. I'd just like to see some more VOTOMS, Heavy Gear, or Gasaraki (sans the supernatural). Look forward to that topic.
Worst trilogy ever
I think music should be much lower. Duel of the fates was cool. But to this day I always here the march on the Jedi temple every time I go to May a power move in an rts. I’ve seen all the Disney Star Wars except 9 and I can’t hum a single new addition.
And for all George’s faults, he is a genius when it comes to sound design. So many sounds I can here and be taken back to whatever scene they were from. I think kylos lightsaber is about the only part of the new movies that keeps that distinct originality.
Thank you on speaking the throught on the sequel trilogy. I would also incould that it felt like watching the MCU then a Star Wars movie, by a way, I hate the MCU. The lesson to learn from the sequel Trilogy is don't work or even sell your franchise to Disney.
Thanks for watching!
Disney Star Wars might actually wake a lot of people up to the problems with being a fan of corporate franchises.
I hope, at least.
I enjoyed this video. I struggled to find favour with the ST beyond a minor superficial appeal, but it's nice to see a calm, considered analysis of these films.
I think that video sums up quite nicely why the new trilogy fails and why it can not be canon in Star Wars overal. These new movies fail so hard to be cohesive, not just in conjunction with the previous six movies, but also within its own trilogy and even in the very movies of each instalment. You can basically call it the "Undo Trilogy" because all it does is undo the previous work of someone else. You got JJ Abrams with the Force Awakens which undoes the work of George Lucas, then Rian Johnson which undoes JJ's movie, and then JJ Abrams again which undoes Rian's movie. Also in each of these new movies the directors wrote things into them without any care which don't make sense in the Star Wars universe and require someone to write like five novels to explain every stupid thing they've added. I mean there are Force Ghosts which interact with the real world for example, then there is that "Holdo Manuver", Rey using the force without training like a Jedi Master even though training was a big plotpoint in the original six movies, force healing out of nowhere which just opens another big can of worms and i can go on and on. It doens't matter what Disney says or even if you like the new trilogy, these new movies can not be canon because they don't respect or try to fit in their own.
I can't see any reason to rewatch the Disney Trilogy at any point in the future. Other than the visual effects, which were never really groundbreaking compared to the visual effects in the OT and the Prequels, this "sequel" trilogy features no redeeming characteristics at all. Apart from being a cautionary tale for up and coming filmmakers.
15:57 lol nice to see and hear some laughter coming from all this mess
Holy shit. I couldn't sum it up better than 9:00 .
The ST constantly goes out of its way to tell you "these are the last resistance fighters" "this is the entirety of the remaining resistence fleet" "...", which reduces the size of the universe to whatever you see on screen.
The other movies on the other hand tell you how big the galaxy/conflict is and that everything you see is only a small part of the whole. (e.g. "many bothans died to bring back these plans")
The setting is definitly my biggest gripe with the sequels.
The worst part for me was the director infighting. What an incredibly strange thing to now canonize into the overall SW legacy.
Yeah. If anything there should had the 2, would've been 3 directors all work on a concept for an entire trilogy, not just one of the three movies.
Film students of the future could study Star Wars as a whole, and this would be the "What not to do" part of their essays
David,
If you haven't already, I implore you to watch "Star Wars: Clone Wars" 2003 (not to be confused with Star Wars: The Clone Wars).
An excellent miniseries developed and drawn by Genndy Tartakovsky, the same creator of Samurai Jack, and you'll see a lot of that brought over into this miniseries. Please give it a watch and share your thoughts on it.
One of my favorites
That show got me into Star Wars.
The second they made Return of the Jedi irrelevant the sequel trilogy was doomed to fail.
Happy New Year David! Thank you for another year full of great and in-depth content. Hope 2020 brings you and your family more prosperity.
Some of the channels had force awakens and last Jedi on a few times over the holidays and I never once even turned them on had zero desire. The others including the prequels I’d probably stop by and watch a bit while channel surfing.
the prequels are awesome
@@steevrawjers as bad as they might be, they're still fun and entertaining. The new movies are just confusing and depressing.
Yeah, back in the day they'd have star wars marathons on TNT or TBS or whatever and I'd just leave em on if I saw em playing. The new stuff? Can't force myself to care.
@@krieghart5515 true
Steev Rawjers one of my favorite lines in all of Star Wars is in revenge when anakin and palpatine are talking about the special powers and anakin asks where he can learn such powers and palpatine says “not from a Jedi” and smirks. Of course any powers in the first six movies are trivial compared to 7-8-9.......so lame.
That was one of the first things that bothered me. All the ships are the same as 30 years ago. Apparently no one designed new ships in 30 years. And then when we got new ships they suck, like those stupid bombers.
Disney Star Wars is boilerplate Disney wearing a Star Wars skin. That's why it looks good.
Seriously, look closely. It's all just re-skinned classic Disney characters.
Rey is Minnie Mouse.
Po is Micky Mouse.
BB8 is Pluto.
Finn is Goofy
...and Kylo Ren is Donald Duck.
Search your feelings...
#ExecuteOrderNixTheIX
#DisneyDelendaEst
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@Greg Elchert that was such a great movie
100% agree, tl;dr version... i think the sequel trilogy will not stand the test of time when ppl start watching the 3 movies back to back to back, but when watched individually and divorced from the others, each movie can entertain you for a couple of hours if you turn your brain off
i have watched tros twice now... first i was too busy to sit down for 5 hrs and go back to re-watch tfa and tlj before going to the theater, so it had been almost an entire year since i had seen any star wars (except for some bits of the mandalorian)... i somewhat enjoyed my first viewing, but i felt a little lost/scratching my head at times and i blamed this on myself for being 'rusty' with recent star wars lore. luckily i watched it with some hardcore fans whom i could ask my dozens of questions after the movie, but i thought it was quite telling how many of their answers to my questions were rarely in consensus and often contradicted each other outright
so before seeing it a 2nd time a couple weeks later, i made a point of starting in the morning and watching tfa and tlj earlier that day so that story and character elements would all be fresh in my mind before heading off to the theater, and i would hopefully not be confused or uncertain about anything... but this DID NOT help at all. in fact, i would even say it made my 2nd viewing less enjoyable because it really put a spotlight on how disjointed and incohesive these 3 movies are. i actually already sensed this a bit in the afternoon when i went from tfa to tlj, and the feeling got magnified tenfold going from tlj to tros
i almost used the word 'directionless' above rather than 'disjointed', but i actually prefer to say that the sequel trilogy movies have TOO MANY directions instead of a single unified aim... we move north a little, then west for a longer while, then north again, then east (backtracking the earlier westerly moves), etc. it reminds me of working at a disorganized company on a project where we cant seem to figure out clearly what primary goal to accomplish, but instead we have a jumbled list of mini-goals that individual team members want to work on... so when everyone's contributions are put together at the end, the final product is an utter mess which lacks a coherent vision
Happy New Year, David. Your takedown of the Disney Star Wars trilogy is spot-on. Best wishes for 2020!
I do enjoy your input dude, and I am very entertained by your video. I don't normally get wrapped up in hate or praise for these movies because everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't understand why people have said the music of this trilogy is either not very original or "a rehash" as I have seen others say. That's usually where I check out of a review. If someone says the music is just repurposed from the originals, I usually stop listening to their entire opinion of these films, because if you think there isn't any memorable music in these films, you weren't paying close enough attention. Rey has a Theme, Rey has a secondary Theme, Poe has a Theme, Finn has a Theme, The Resistance has a Theme, The First Order has a Theme, Kylo has a Theme, Fun with Finn and Rey, The Rise of Skywalker, Ach-To has a Theme and not to mention all the sub themes sprinkled in the movies. Old themes only came up around Original Trilogy characters. I would say this trilogy has the best music of all the trilogies, and maybe some of John William's best work period. On the contrary, the prequels, although musically are phenomenal, did rely on old themes a lot, especially Revenge of the Sith. We hear binary Sunset in that film done in a million iterations, which I understand was intentional because it lines up as the movie right before the movie with the least amount of musical themes.
Episode X should start with a montage of scenes from episodes VII through IX, ending after about a minute with Luke waking up in his quarters in his Jedi Academy, shaking his head and saying, "What a crazy dream." He then gets up and goes out into the academy courtyard, where Rey, Ben Solo, and Han Solo are talking about Leia's recent death. Then we get the trilogy in which the new Republic squanders everything that was gained in the first trilogy, and Luke and Han hand off their respective mantles to their heirs.
yes
The Disney Trilogy is haphazard, incohesive, has dead-end story arcs, is full of flat uninteresting characters, wastes the potential of legacy characters, introduce way to many convenient plot device and deus ex machina, non-memorable music, etc.
The only consistent thing in the Sequel Trilogy is that each movie pretends the previous film didn't matter:
The Force Awakens: Oh, ROTJ's ending didn't matter, here's a new Empire biatch.
The Last Jedi: Oh, the set ups and questions in The Force Awakens didn't matter.
The Rise of Skywalker: Oh, we didn't mean 90% of the stuff in The Last Jedi, let's retcon around it and also ROTJ's ending didn't matter, here's Palpatine biatch.
They bought Star Wars from George, but then they had no fucking idea what to do, they cherry picked stuff from the EU but then ignored it, but then pretended that they have no material to use to build the story and worlds in the Sequel Trilogy.
What a bizarre cinematic anomaly.
David Stewart needs to check out "My Country: A New Age" on Netflix. Korean war movie with swords. SOOOOOOOO much better than jedi.
Your analysis and commentaries on media are ace, and conveyed in a really easy to digest way. Looking forward to 2020s content. I'd also love to hear any UA-camr's thoughts on rumors that Disney has been purposefully tainting Star Wars to further increase their own agendas of control.
I’ve been trying to explain for awhile why I don’t like the sequel trilogy (I did enjoy The Rise Of Skywalker although I recognized it’s problems) but you broke it down and explained it so effectively. Thank you.
David, you summarized perfectly my thoughts about this mess of a trilogy. Thanks for that and Happy New Year to you and everyone else following the channel.
This is a great video, does an amazing job of summing up the Disney trilogy’s shortcomings.
Thank you!
In this video, you say the exact things I think about this trilogy... but at least you still can articulate a word about it! I... I cannot do it! I'm with you on everything you said but I cannot explaint these concepts like you did: every time I try to talk about this trilogy and its flaws, I become the incredible Hulk!
I'm a huge fan of Star Wars, not the best (I'm not the greatest expert in Legends, various tv spin off etc), I grow up with this brand (I saw Episode 4 when I was 5 yo, in the 1996) and everytime I think about this nue Trilogy and the last film... I cannot event think! So... thank you for having said what I couldn't say! xD
Moonsong looks interesting Ill check it out forsure! great video, nailed it man. this sequel trilogy is the best example of how not to do SW, it is a brand, and the brand was always led by a male knight hero, and that's its base.
SW to me, in rotj, always felt like it was going in a game of thrones/ Zelda direction of knights populating the galaxy instead of gun wielders. and that would of been awesome, to see Jedi vs sith in large numbers with the SW underground somehow tied in.
I would of preferred ben solo be the lead, and be a duo with Chewbacca and it be a real heroes journey have a lot of samurai epic elements with cool blade runner 2049 like look, and through out the trilogy we see his relationships to han leia and luke comes in and is like the Gandalf to bens Bilbo.
But instead we got this POS.
The Last Jedi also destroyed Princess Leia... she comes off as an emotionally incompetent commander... She was completely useless in that movie too... You could edit her out entirely and there won't be a difference.